Just so folks know, I'm waiting for another con member to come so that we have quorum. There's Bob. >> Hello. Oh, we can see your Christmas tree. >> Yes. >> That's great.
All right. And mayor, you're there, right? Um, there you are. All right. Well, now we have quum. Um, so I'll open the meeting. It's 7:05 on December 11th, and I'm calling the
Shootsbury Conservation Commission meeting to order. This meeting is being recorded. Scott is not making it tonight. He's doing something. Hunting maybe. I can't keep up. He's always doing
something. Um, all right. Well, thanks for coming and we'll start with the first item on the agenda which is comments from me and lots of things have been going on. Um, one thing we submitted a determination
of eligibility to the CPC for the footed property. So, that's great. Um the next meeting is for of the CPC is uh the 18th of December and they'll be looking at the determinations of eligibility and you
know we'll just ask some questions and and you guys anybody's welcome to come to that CPC meeting because it's sort of it's an application from the conservation commission. So um you guys can come and you know contribute to the conversation
and then um after sort of this fa this phase then there's the actual applications which would happen um beginning of 2026 for that but um Kestro will be at the
CPC meeting too. So that's exciting. >> Yeah that is. >> Yeah. Can you say a little bit about the location of the property? >> What was that? >> Uh Beth, can you tell us a little bit more about the property?
>> So, it's um it's about nine acres and it it goes between Wendo Road and Locks Pond Road. It's um it's it's south of Brightwater Pog area
a little bit. Um, and then it's associated with this much larger parcel on the east side of Wendell Road that Kestrel is going to buy to um add to the Bright Water Bog uh whole entire area. So, it'll be so
nice. And so, but then on the other side of Wendle Road, that same parcel's got this 9 acre piece, and they suggested that maybe the town would want to buy that because it abuts our Southbrook conservation area. So that works out for
us too. It seems so far everything seems like it's going to go all right. There's been a suggestion from the select board >> to um possibly put afford one one lot of affordable housing like a house for a
habitat for humanity house on the locks pond side of it. So carve out I don't know half acre or something. I don't know how much you need for a habitat for humanity house. So, we're looking into that, too.
Um, so that's that project. It's exciting. >> That's wonderful. >> Yeah. Um, I think I mentioned to you guys on December 14th, there's going to be one of these hikes. That's the wreck committee on the Cong. It's um it's
Brushy Mountain, which is behind my house actually, but uh it's also it's off Monagu Road. Um just before you get to Carver on the left is this uh parking lot that's that's got a DCR sign. So,
it's the parking lot really for the whole area's got a conservation restriction on it and DCR is part of that. Um so, anyway, it's a pretty good size parking lot. So, I think if we, you know, get the same number of people that we got at the last hike, um, there'll be
there'll be enough parking. So, that's December 14th. >> And, sorry, what time is that, Beth? >> I think it's 11:00 a.m. Actually, I don't have the flyer right here, but I think it's 11:00 a.m. Did we switch it to 1 p.m. I will send
that to you? Actually, I think I have it in my bio. >> I had it on here for one, but I I won't be able to make it. Um I'm going on a train ride to see Santa.
I think you're right with the one o'clock because I think we were going to vary them. Do do like, you know, 11 and then one and then 11 and then one. So >> yeah, I think it's one o'clock. Well, that sounds fun.
>> Yeah. Well, and you know, I'm kind of laying low until I can get this done. So, >> yeah. Where do you ride a train to see Santa? >> Um, actually, it goes through my hometown. It's in Connecticut, leaves in
Thomas. It drives it goes down to uh um Nagatuck, which is my hometown in Connecticut. and then back up to Thomas. And >> so, >> um, >> yeah, >> fun. >> Yeah. >> Taking the grand grandbaby.
>> Exactly. Exactly. Um, so yeah. >> Um, so there's that hike and then Bob, you you're kind of you're cancelling your December 27th one.
Oh, you're muted. My wife says I'm more interesting when I'm muted. Um the um the uh uh yes for the the hike that I thought would would work out to do it the Saturday following Christmas because a lot of people are
there including me. Um it just logistics I won't be able to put it together. So it remains a good idea though and and you both have been out there. So I I think it is something that we do maybe in the late winter, early spring or something like that too to learn rubber boots.
>> Yeah, definitely. It's a definitely it's a great it's a great hike. So we'll do it. We will do it sometime. >> Um all right. And then there's a lot going on on January 12th. Um,
I think I So, there's the Culvert grant that we got to do the Culvert assessments and we have to do a community meeting and I I think I I guess I had told you guys it was going to be scheduled in December but it didn't work out. Um, so it's January
12th and it'll be in town hall in the basement. Um and it's, you know, it's a community meeting required by the grant and it's really for the community to come forward and talk about um where they feel like there's where they may have experience with areas that are
flooding um culverts that they know are causing problems um that kind of thing. So we can map out um where the people who are going to do all the clover assessments should really focus their time and stuff. So,
>> so that'd be great if people would come to that meeting. >> Yeah. What time is it? >> Um, 6. And there's going to be dinner. >> There'll be some food offered. What that is, I'm not sure yet, but
there's money. There's some money to to hold the meeting um in the grant. So, so 6 6 PM and there'll be some food. >> Um, and I think we have a meeting. No, we don't have a Yeah, we do have a meeting before that. We have a meeting on the 8th
>> and then this this community meeting is the 12th. So, >> we can talk about it again. And then the only other thing I have is that last night I went to the meeting on the National Grid line. You know how there's
the two uh power line projects and National Grid is one of them. And it was um it was really well attended. It was at the Pelum Library and it was sort of sponsored a little bit by Shoesbury Planning and Pelum Planning,
but there was a whole lot of different people, people from the all the towns that are being impacted. Concom people from um definitely from Ammerst even though it doesn't go through Rammerst, but um Belchure Town I think and and it
was good. National Grid had a bunch of people there and they just presented the project, talked about it um and then took questions and there was a lot of questions. People are I learned I learned quite a bit. One is just that the National Grid project is very
different than the Eversource project. Um Bob, you went to the site visit for the National Grid one. >> We did. >> Yeah. And so the Eversource one is one that I think has gotten a little more attention and people seem to be more
concerned about. And that one really is the clearing to almost widen the open area of the right of way. It's just it's all about taking trees down. The Eversource one is the National Grid one is very similar to a project
on a different power line that came through this area pretty recently where they they're replacing the towers. So, they're they're going to go through and replace the towers, which really also involves building access roads and pads, concrete pads and things for these new
towers. Doing some vegetation removal. Basically, any vegetation that's kind of in the way of replacing the towers or that they think is going to is going to hit the wires. It's not a It's not the same just major vegetation removal
project that the Eversource one is, but it's still a really big um project with a big impact. Um just a different sort of a different different work that's going to happen for that one. But anyway, it was a good meeting and they um
they definitely got pushed to do more communicating. So I think um there'll be more meetings maybe. Well, and the other thing is that they they definitely said that the permitting for with the conservation commissions is going to be in 2026. So, next year we'll get the application
for the section that goes through um Shootsberry and that that'll really be our opportunity to comment and um you know make have our impact on on the project. Um, besides that, they are they also
said they're going to have some more sort of like these kind of like open houses for people to come and learn more and they'll be definitely communicating with land owners with that the rightway goes over people's land and what how it's going to impact them and that kind
of thing. But so that was good. That's all I have. Um, so next on our agenda is to review and vote on the minutes of November 13th. Do I have a motion?
>> I would like to move that we pass the uh November 13th minutes, please. >> Right. Second. >> Second. >> Great. Douglas, >> hi. >> Fox, >> hi. >> And Wilson. I thanks for doing those, Matteo.
>> Thank you, Matteo. All right. Next is site visits. Um, mayor, do you have anything? >> No, just the one that we did over in um, uh, the peach orchard conservation
restriction. Um do we report on that or >> um No, I mean we just mentioned it I guess that we did it that we did the annual in you know basically it's the annual inspection of or it's like the annual monitoring of the CR.
>> Yeah. >> Um I did have a question though about the library CNS. It looks like I'm I'm I'm hearing like early earlyish um January like around the 12th or something like that. That's was what I
was hearing. Um do so. Um but we wouldn't be doing any site visits until the spring to see the work that still needs to be done or >> um there's not I would I'm assuming there's not much to see right now with
the snow, >> right? Um, >> I did see that they did put down the seed um like the um they put down the, you know, the stuff that they just roll out um on the hillside. Um just just when I was driving by really slow, but
um but I I did that they did that before the snow came. So, and then I could see the plantings, but I just wanted to just kind of understand, you know, my responsibilities on that. Um, so you're saying January 12th is
supposed to be the opening or the >> I was hearing that's what I was hearing, but um >> Oh, that's great. >> Uh, let's see. Somewhere in that vicinity. Yeah, is what I was hearing. Um, but I haven't gotten an update on it anytime recently. So,
>> um, I think, um, how often were we doing them before? Was it like once a month or >> Yeah, twice every twice a month basically every couple weeks. Yeah. >> Okay. Um I still think you know if it
rains and which it still could you know the weather could definitely still warm up a bit >> if it rains and um we just really feel like we need to see what's going on with the erosion. I think I think we need to kind of still keep an eye on that um
because the vegetation hasn't grown in yet. Um that's I guess how over the winter to just deal with it is >> keep an eye on it if we want if we feel like we need to get in there and really look. >> I suppose once it's open, you know, >> we can just go and look whenever we
want. >> Yeah. No, I was just more con wondering what responsibilities there are. Um because this is my first time going through like a whole project as to um
when the snow melts. I mean obviously I need to be looking at the retention basins then but like what about um would I be looking for once I mean I can ask further information then but like in the spring
um what would I be looking you know I I I looking for guidance come spring as to what I'd be needing to look for you know >> yeah we want to be looking for um growth of the vegetation So the grass seed to take off and also the health of of the
plantings. >> Um because they're kind of on the hook for if if some of those plantings start failing, they need to replant. >> Um >> and then the vegetation is really we want to see we we want it to be healthy,
but we also want it for erosion control. Um, so if it's not coming in as as spring happens and maybe there's some rains and we're seeing that the seed isn't taking them, then they they have to come back and um put down more seed
and maybe even put some matting um and mulch down to control any kind of erosion that's happening. Um, and then we we just would we kind of keep at it with that until eventually there's um very good vegetation growth. the numbers
75%. You want to see like 75% of of a site with vegetated healthy with healthy vegetation >> and and then eventually we can actually close the project, issue a certificate of compliance and and then it's done.
>> But they can't they can't take out any of the erosion control until all of that vegetation has taken hold and and really preventing any more erosion from happening. Um, so, >> and what about the last retention basin
that's closest to the street that they say they're going to redo, but they keep Nobody seems to do it. >> Yeah, they still haven't done that. So, that's something we should we should also Yeah, we should get in there and and check that. Um because the thing is
what would happen with that if they like if they move mob off site and they feel like they're done and they move all their equipment and everything >> then we've missed the window to have them >> Exactly. And that's why that's pretty much why I was asking about like kind of
the global issues because you know all along I was being told and so was Jan you know when she was on the commission that this was going to be dealt with at the last moment once they had done this and once they had done
that and then and all those things that they had listed or have all been done except for that and as you saw when we came out or went out. Um, it it needs to be done because it's not um it's not
it's not designed it's not doing what it was designed to do. >> Yeah, we should we should we should get in touch with Maryanne and have, you know, have another site visit with um I forget his name, the the >> contractor. Yeah.
>> Yeah. um and just point that out again and say that before they completely move away from the site, they need to get that done. >> Okay. I'll make sure that I do that. Okay. >> Yeah. If you make if you make an appointment with them, I'll I'll try to
go. Especially if it's, you know, 3:30 in the afternoon or later >> is what works for me during the week. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um sure. Um I think there was one there
was one site visit um that's next Monday at 12:15. Is that next Monday? It is at um 59 Shore Drive that Matteo was setting
it up and I I said I could go at 3:30 with some emails. I'm assuming you guys saw them, but it'd be great if other folks could come. It's um it's a project that I think is close to being done. So, they are getting close to wanting to apply for their
certificate of compliance, but they wanted a little pre-check, you know, they wanted the Kong to just come out and make sure that >> Yeah, >> I can't make it at that time. Um >> is it the was it the 15th? >> Yeah, that's where it's set now, but we
we can move it. >> I could make it later than that. I could make it at like probably 4:30. Um, yeah, I can make it at 4:30, but I can't do it any earlier than that. Um,
>> okay. How about you, Bob? >> Um, I've got a I've got a doctor call, doctor's call, but I could potentially take that from from my house in Chesbury if I'm out there. So, uh, please put me down as a maybe. Um, and that would be
4:30 on Monday. the uh sorry, what date was it? The 15th. >> Yeah, this coming Monday. Um, >> great. >> Okay. Um, Matteo, would you mind reaching out to them again and seeing if 4:30 would work?
>> Yep, I'll check with them. >> Thanks. >> Great. >> Okay, I'll put it on my calendar for that time. Um, and then if it's not, I'll just Yeah. Yeah, just let us know if let me know if
you can't make it. We'll we'll do 4:30 so that the most people can potentially make it. All right, next is land management update. Um Scott's not here. Um,
uh, one thing that I do know, he's still working on the, uh, the RFP for the Southbrook work. Um, Donna had looked at it. She had a bunch of comments. I think he's working on responding to Donna's comments. So hopefully between now and our next
meeting, maybe that'll go out, get done, and go out. >> Great. >> It's a super project. >> I know. Oh, I'd like to get the RFP out. And I think that's it for that. Um, all right. So, next on our agenda is
discuss and vote on the certificate of compliance for 86 Sand Hill Road. Is there anybody here for that project? No, doesn't look like it. All right. I'm going to share my screen and just show you the certificate of compliance that I
put together for that. Let's see where is it. All right. Can everybody see my screen? >> I'll make it a little larger. >> Yeah, that'd be good. >> If this bar would go away. The share bar
always ends up in the wrong place. Okay. >> All right. Certificate of compliance. Um 86 Sand Hill Road. Um, this was a a geothermal um, heating system that that got put in. I
don't think I don't think either one of you guys maybe were around when that notice of intent came through. Um, so it was mostly drilling and uh, and it all ended up being fine. They were worried about hitting a lot of water, so
they had a whole dewatering system set up, but then when they started drilling, they didn't really hit a lot of groundwater. So, it went pretty fast and everything was fine. Um, and the only thing I need to figure out
with this, I have to get back in touch with Tom because the book and page I don't have the right book and page he book and page he provided wasn't for uh recording the order conditions. It was the book and page for just the property
deed. So, I have to check in with that. But besides that, this is ready to go. I did a site visit the day that we went to um Beach Orchard Conservation Area before that. I went over to his place
and everything was fine. The erosion control is still up. Um but the area there, it's got grass, it's got a little grass, but it's also mostly mulched and he just plans on leaving it that way with wood chips. Um,
so there's no real threat of any kind of erosion getting into there's a there's a little wetland behind his house. So that's that. So I checked off complete certification cuz the project's actually been done for a couple years.
He just didn't apply for the certificate until he really wanted to take down the erosion control. So, that is it. Anybody have any questions? All right. I'll take a motion to um to issue the certificate of compliance for
86 Sand Hill Road. >> I'd like to recommend we approve the or order conditions for Sant Hill Road, please. >> Second. >> Second. >> Yep. >> All right. Douglas. >> Hi >> Fox. >> Hi.
>> And Wilson. Hi. Great. All right. Next, we have to discuss and vote to ratify the emergency certification for the Beaver Dam breach um of the Fisk Brook under Lake View
Road. You guys know where that is, right? Sure. I I just had a quick question. Who was it that u um declared the emergency? >> Um it was here. I was going to pull it
up. Let's pull it up and make sure that we have that. Thought it was Lenny, the fire chief. But >> can you guys see that? >> No. It's funny how uh
>> Yeah, it's just a compressed little line for for me. >> It's funny how when you switch between documents. I wish. >> How's that? >> Okay. tub. >> You can see clear.
>> Yep. >> Great. Um, all right. So, we've got a reason for emergency backed up water from a beaver dam threatening the integrity of the culvert and the road. Department of Public Works to perform the work.
Again, the agency asking for it and performing is public works. Um, and then I just added in uh that it could be breached using equipment that won't harm the banks. It must be done in a slow controlled
manner so as to not impact areas downstream. And all debris has to be removed from the buffer zone when up on location. And we've got declared emergency by the Department of Public Works.
So because it's a threat to the road. >> Yeah. Um, you know, that's who declared it. >> Matteo, >> sorry, I I hate to be picky about details, but it's the highway department. We don't have a Department
of Public Works in Shootsbury. >> That's an Amorous term. >> I have I have many Amoris terms. Okay, for next time. We know that. Okay. Highway Department of Shootsberry.
Um yeah, so that was what we had there for for that. And then special conditions just goes back to that description I had provided of how the work should be done and I know the work got done. So this
was issued on close to the 25th there. So it was before Thanksgiving and they they they breached it right away. I don't know if it's built back up again at this point.
Um actually well along with this was the board of health I know um issued a permit for trapping which we're not involved in but they did do that too. So they did that and then they've reached maybe we have a little break now where
we won't see the dam get built back up. But also the town part of this is also that the town's been talking with Beaver Solutions um to come out and look you know give sort of an assessment of what
they think of they have various they have beaver deceivers. They have beaver type fencing. They have different ways of approaching it >> and and that was part of this too. They were going to town was going to spend a little money and have them come out and >> yeah, I would like to know when they
come cuz uh I you know just to >> be part of that. Um when I went to the um the uh God I can't think straight as to what I went for um the the conference um uh
that I went to last year that Bob was at. Um that was in the fall. Um I went to a whole presentation on on beaver deceivers and because um and they have so many different options from what I
remember seeing. But um uh yeah, I would like to yeah, if possible, I would like to be there for that when they do come so I could hear what they have to say. Um >> Mhm. >> Uh they Yeah, but they they have and
it's not too many people statewide who do it, but uh it was very interesting. I mean, this is like the third time I've been at I've been at the lake probably about 13 years. This is like the third time. So, it's kind of almost
cyclical as to how often it happens, but it is every like couple years that it happens. So >> yeah, I've definitely been part of more than one discussion about what to do with the situation. >> Yeah. >> And I know that that
the the town administrators had meetings with um you know, board of health and then >> um also the Pine Brook camp >> is there part of the whole discussion. Um, so it is it's an ongoing problem and yeah, I'll check to see if Beaver Solutions has already come out and what
their conclusions were. Um, or if they haven't, you know, maybe we can be there when they come out. >> And then they have I mean it because Pinebrook does go into, you know, the next town and to Wendell. I mean they I
remember hearing that they had had problems kind of further upstream too with beavers. So like maybe if there was like some sort of conversation with >> um with Wendell or whatever. Yeah, I think it would be Wendell.
>> It's probably the only only place that would be >> kind of feeding into Shootsbury >> in terms of bodies of water. Yeah, that would probably only be Wendell. that um would have kind of information about that, but maybe even lever it too
because you know further downstream that maybe there's things too that that have happened that we don't know about. But um yeah, so yeah, great. >> Yeah, I I'll look into that and let you guys know where that's at. >> Okay.
And so let's vote on um are there any um comments or questions from the public on that? >> Nope. Okay. I take a motion to ratify the emergency certification to um breach the dam on Fisk Brook.
>> I recommend that we approve that emergency order on Fiskbrook and uh reflect in the minutes that it's the highway department and not the department of public works. Second. >> Second. >> Yep. All right. Okay. Fox I
>> Douglas. >> Hi. >> And Wilson. I All right. Great. Moving moving through fast. Our next uh agenda item is similar. It's to discuss and ratify the emergency certification for
the additional lowering of um Lake Wyola. And I believe there's somebody here from GZA to um who is our consultant who's who's been addressing these the issue with the dam and thought maybe they could give an introduction
and then we can look at the emergency. >> It's is it Nat? >> Yes. Good evening. >> Hi. Thanks for coming. >> I'm Nat Ara. I'm an engineer with GCA. Um, and I'm joined by Adrien Dunc who is
an environmental scientist and ecologist um with GCA. And uh we are we have been working for the town for two years or so in helping um manage the dam. Um and we conducted the last uh
phase one dam safety inspection in May of this year. Um, and the emergency action plan was due to be updated and the town um prepared the updates themselves and
they included us um as contacts. And on uh November the 28th um the Friday after Thanksgiving, I received a call from Chief Sirwanka um who informed me that there was some
significant leakage passing through the dam and there were some holes that had formed in the upstream slope of the embankment that's earthn material that's piled up against the stone core of the dam. Um,
and that uh water was visually uh you could see water passing into these holes and debris and there was sand discharging and spreading out in the in the discharge channel downstream
of the of the low-level outlet pipe. Um, so I uh I met with Chief Sirwanka and um
uh Howard Kinder, the the damkeeper and um Walter Tibbitz, the former emergency manager for the town. Uh, and we um we inspected the the dam um for what
we could see. I observed the holes that that Chief Sirwanka pointed out to me. Um, I threw some some saturated leaves into the holes because the holes were about six feet off the edge of water on
the upstream side of the dam and I could see the the leaves getting sucked down into the holes. Um the low-level outlet gate in the gate house was open about an inch um to maintain flow to the downstream of of Sawmill
Brook uh of Smill River and um and um so we looked inside the ch the gate chamber. The water in the gate chamber was kind of swirling around. There were some floatables in there and it turns
out those were pieces of foam that had dislodged from the attempt by the contractor who installed the plastic the PVC uh liner pipe in the old stone culvert
um back in 2007 and 2008. Uh they they stuffed a bunch of building rigid building foam insulation and they smeared some mortar around it and all that sealed and and and >> left. Um,
so that is all kind of broken apart and and what we determined, well, Walter Pivots also mentioned that the at the time that that repair was made that the trash rack on the upstream
end of the intake end of the low-level outlet pipe um was replaced with a basically what sounds to me like a screen, maybe like a one inch by one in screen. And Mr. Tibbitz says that that
gets clogged up repeatedly and had never that had never gotten clogged up before and that leaves and small debris blinded up and flow stops literally stops going through the gate. Um, and with the gate open, we believe
what's happening is the the water level in the gate chamber drops and the lake level is higher. And so the lake is pushing water through these holes, these weak points in the
dam um, and coming out through the gate chamber and then going out the pipe. But water goes both through the pipe and around the outside of the pipe on the downstream section when it gets to the gate. When you close the gate,
um there's no flow going out. The flow into the the holes at the upstream end of the dam uh at the upstream face of the dam that that are the the source of this leakage um or at least what we believe to be one
of the sources of this leakage. uh that it stopped they stopped flowing. So I threw some more leaves out there. There's no they weren't getting sucked into the holes. So we we we're pretty clear that there's
a connection between these holes and the gate chamber and it's they're sort of become active when the gate is open and no flow can pass can enter the pipe from upstream in the lake. So on Saturday the 29th uh
uh Chief Zwanka and and Mr. Tibbitz and how Mr. Kinder went out to the dam and um Mr. Tibbitz dawned his wets suit and went to the pond and and cleaned off the
gate um or the trash rack, excuse me, and the water began to flow. And so, um, which is good. And so, let me back up. Um, after we made our kind and I re reviewed
the conditions there, um, I reported to the office of dam safety while I was there. um and spoke to Bill Saloma, the director of the office of dam safety, and we we concurred that uh the dam
should be or the the lake level should be lowered as quickly as possible without causing issues downstream. Um, so we recommended uh that the town draw the lake down another three feet from the twoft the
current twoft uh winter draw down pool level. Um, so on Saturday, uh, once the flow was restored to going through the pipe, they could open the gate a little bit more and let more
water out to lower the lower the lake level. That has been going slowly. Um, I've been up there twice since then. um on December 1st and then on December 6th
last Saturday and met with Chief SWAN each time. Um um he is monitoring the dam a couple times a day. Um and the lake level is dropping. It's probably about
Well, as of maybe yesterday or this morning, it looked to me like it was probably at say 3 ft and change below the the normal pool. Well, more than that. Probably it's probably close to 4T. I I would say we're trying to get to
5t below the the normal pool, the normal summer pool or 5t below the spillway level. Um, and we're hoping that that's going to uh get all the water off the holes that we observed. Um, and then as soon as
that happens, we're going to try to get it get out there and and take a look at the as much of the upstream slope as we can that um is exposed. Um, little difficult with the ice warming and the snow we've had. and we get more snow,
it's going to be a little bit more challenging. Um, we are in the process of developing an a temporary emergency repair that will allow
um for water to safely pass into the chamber through kind of a constructed leak, if you will, by putting crushed stone around the the the the pipe area. So water can migrate through that stone into the chamber and you can keep the
gate open so that if any clogging happens on the upstream end of the the low-level outlet pipe uh that that the water can safely still pass through without being forced through
um weak points in the in the embankment. So, we're trying to prevent that and also hopefully be able to restore the lake level at least to the winter pool level of two feet below the spillway. Um, we we're going to be working with
the office of dam safety who issued a uh an emergency dam safety order um to the town on December 3rd. and we're working with the town administrator to to see that we're the town is
complying with the order. Um so um the the emergency certification was requested by the town administrator based on all these events and and our recommendations. >> Wow, that's a lot. Thank you for sharing
all that. Um I have a couple questions and then maybe the rest of the commission does too. So this um fix that you're thinking of doing sounds like it's sort of almost is it sort of a temporary fix to then allow the the water to come back up and then
eventually is there going to be more study of the dam to do more substantial repairs? >> Yes. >> That okay. Uh it is a temporary fix and we we are strongly recommending that
there be a more significant replacement of the low-level outlet system than what was um upgraded supposedly in 2007208. Um something that is more
uh permanent. uh is uh something that's not going to leak. Um uh with an event like this, um the Office of Dam Safety has essentially
given the dam a new condition rating of four. And that triggers what's called a phase 2 engineering analysis. um that they usually
uh require of of owners of dams that are in poor or unsafe condition. And the requirement is to do a study to do an engine um um an alternatives analysis and find a preferred alternative for
repairing or in some cases removing a dam. So, this is something that we know is going to be coming. Uh, a requirement that we know is going to be coming to the town. Um, we're working with the town administrator to seek grant funding for
that. There is a a round of grant funding for that. So there will be some significant exploration um on the on the dam most likely including some some soil borings
um and rock borings through through the dam. um doing a stability analysis, doing a detailed hydraologic and hydraulic uh modeling study of the dam to determine
um its true spillway capacity. Um and uh and what how how it may respond under over topping conditions if the spillway can't handle um the spillway design flood
um which is a regulatory determined um flood level for the size and hazard rating of the dam. Um so yes there there will be much more study and out of that will come a a plan
>> and then um assuming the the grant funding that the state has has um implemented over the last uh probably five or six years. Um there will be round more rounds of
grant money available to to implement um a proper repair of the dam. So um you you'll hopefully have a dam that's in good condition for many generations. >> Yeah. I know we got the grant um I don't
know if it was MVP or if it was the uh dam seaw wall grant. >> The latter. Yes. Yes. >> Okay. for investigating but now it seems like I don't know if that money is still going to be used for what it was this is you know I think you guys it is okay
>> it is so that money was so the dam and seaw wall grant uh they program they offer two different types of grants one is for design and permitting so it's kind of all the paperwork really
exercise um and then once you have a project that's ready to go. You can turn around and apply for construction funding. So, the plan was to um and we we we assisted the town in applying for
that grant money. Um there was an award for doing repair and per uh repair designs and permitting of the repairs that we deemed and the previous engineer that working for the town identified
inspections as um kind of maintenance level repairs and we were going to be doing the design and permitting for those and then in January, February when the dam and seaw wall grant program opens up again we' help you apply apply for
um construction money for that. Well, >> we're now in the process of repurposing those funds to address this issue and and the Executive Office of Energy and Environmental Affairs has authorized us >> and that they're they're in agreement
that the funds can be repurposed for that. So, we're going through that process with the town administrator right now. >> Good. All right. Well, um thanks for that update. Do other commissioners have any questions?
>> So I do I have a bunch of questions. Um so uh and in terms of the level of the of the water on you know as this draw down is happening um how how will that affect the ice and
as as it's being drawn down and at what point do you think that would all happen like it'd be fully drawn down? Well, um I'm hoping that the we'll get to the five foot
uh level uh below the spillway within the next few days. Um >> okay. >> Um I think uh Mr. Kinder might be being a little bit cautious just to not let
too much water out, which is fine. I mean, I don't I don't think we're in a state of imminent failure or anything like that, but you know, we have to be conservative and that's why we're we're we've recommended this this level of draw down. But, um
um I think uh Mr. Kinder and Chief Swanka are working together kind of to try to find the right uh discharge rate to bring the water down as quickly as possible without causing you know significant flow downstream that would
you know >> exacerbate erosion >> things like that. Um >> so uh and then in terms of the ice the ice will just kind of settle as with the with the lake level. >> Yeah. Okay. And you know, the areas that
that are under that the water, you know, dissipates from underneath those will just kind of break up and be broken ice along the shoreline. >> Um >> Okay. Yeah. We um you know there's the last couple well the lake is frozen
right now and people are about to start going out there and the ice fisherman it's kind of >> they need they say they need 2 in to get out there and so I'm just a little worried about them. I worry about them anyways every winter like when because
the shorter the winters the more dangerous things they do. Um, you know, so I just was wondering from the perspective of that, like I kind of thought it might just just go down with and and like Okay, so now I understand
that will will this work have to be done be you you know, you said it's not imminent the dam of having, you know, it getting much worse, but is it um is this work um going to then be prioritized to
have it be done before um spring. Is it is that is the understanding is that the level of the lake cannot rise until that work is done. Is that >> Yes. And that's a good question. And um
the the dam safety order that the office of dam safety issued to the town requires that uh you engage a contractor within 14 days of that notice. Now, they're not really rigid about that. um where they actually required a
preliminary plan to be submitted them to them within seven days which was yesterday but we're working on that and I I am in constant communication with the office of dam safety uh with other projects some including their own dams
um so um they they're well aware of where we are with this and their uh their approach is as long as you're attentive uh and you're paying attention, they're not they're not going to be like issuing fines, which if you
if you read that a typical damn safety order, if you do not comply, you're subject to $5,000 a day fines, blah blah blah. So, they're they're they're they don't play hard ball in that way. As long as you're if you're making progress and trying to get things done. So, they
know that we are on this. Um, so, um, yeah, we're hoping that we can get the plan to them this week and we can get their input and feedback and we can then work with the town administrator to um,
engage a contractor, a qualified contractor to get out there and do this work. Um, I will say that, um, until we see where the 5- foot level is and what
we think our plan is going to entail, we may be needing to draw the the the lake down further. Um, so that the lake the what work can be done in the dry, so to speak.
and we'll try to keep that as short as possible and make the contractor move along. But that will be under a separate emergency certification application that we will come before you again um as soon
as we're ready. >> And is it is was the I would think that the dam was designed to last I mean I moved here in 2007. And I remember walking out and there, you know, getting clams out of the bottom of the lake and stuff. But is is I I assume that it was
designed to be longer than 18 years. >> Well, the the dam the original dam was built uh I believe in the 1700s or maybe early 1800s. So, it's an old dam. It was not engineered
um by any kind of modern standards. So, you know, it was classic New England mill dam. Um um and then the 2007 and 2008 repairs were really
um I I don't know the level of analysis that that the previous engineer put into these these repairs. So I don't know if they did I haven't seen records of of like real
explorations and soil borings and doing stability analysis. But what what they did was was a substantial sort of firming up if you will of the surface of the dam and protecting putting the the
large boulders you see at the downstream toe of the dam. Those are for over topping protection because the the spillway is under capacity. We know that and that if the spillway design flood comes
the dam is expected the water is expected to over top the entire dam. Um and if that water cascades down on the backside it could erode the toe of the dam and cause a failure of structure. So that's what the purpose of that is. So,
um you know that engineer knew enough to to uh to to um add that to the to the dam repair. Um, but I don't think this was a wholesale
reconstruction of the dam to make it um fully compliant with today's uh either dam safety regulations or u modern you know engineering design
standards. So it was it was basically a a significant repair of a lot of stonework and u and the and the pipe the liner
pipe which was uh not so successful. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Um, and I just want to mention so the commission knows that um, Natural Heritage was also communicated with and they also issued sort of an emergency
their emergency uh, permit so that this could be done too. um you know because this kind of thing the things that the commission is interested in really are you know it's good that in the commission's eyes that they're
lowering it at a controlled um level controlled rate and like you said for the the sawmill river um so that's good and then also there is the concern especially if we end up having to lower it even more a little bit about fish and
you any wildlife, anything that's that's out there, there's a bit of a concern. Um, I'm sure that's natural heritage's concerns, but when it's an emergency, it's an emergency. You have to do what you have to do to to be able to get in
there and look at the dam and um do the assessment and do any repairs. So, but um great. Well, thanks for the update. I I've been since we issued the emergency start was wondering where we were at with the lowering and and how
things were going. So that was very informative. >> Um >> welcome. >> Bob, do you have any questions? I did want to I I I did want to say that
I'm a property owner on the lake and uh just to as as full disclosure, I don't see a uh a conflict of interest in in sitting in on this particular hearing or or vote. Um the um uh Nat I was
wondering if you tell me linearly is there an idea of uh given the lake slope uh how far out the water will be from the the the shore shoreline that it's usually at? >> Well, that's a good question. I I don't I'm not familiar with the I haven't
looked at a baometric map of of the lake, so I couldn't really tell you. I know that it is it's a pretty uh gentle slope from the shoreline out into the deeper parts of the lake. So, I had to expect it's probably going to be
several feet offshore by the time we get to feet 5T. I couldn't tell you what that is. You must know certainly at your property how deep 5t is about um you know off your shore. So, if you can if
you have some idea of that, but I I couldn't I couldn't say and it's going to be different depending on where you are obviously on on the shoreline. >> Excellent point. Yep. Okay. Yeah. That that is pretty much it for me. You know, I I certainly support uh this work. It's
uh you definitely don't want your um you want you want to be able to control the water that goes through your dam. You don't want it to wash it out. So, I I support certainly support the project. All right. Well, I I'll keep in touch, you know, with Haley. She will keep us
in the loop about everything that's what that's going on with it. Um, but so I think we are ready to probably vote on the emergency. I can share that. >> I thought the conditions you put in were were well founded that it not be done
quickly and uh care is taken. So, it's funny how I have to reshare because I probably not doing it right. But whatever. >> It came up for a second. >> Oh, it did. Oh, okay. See, I I wasn't sure if I could switch between documents within a program and have them still
be able, you know, with the share switch between documents. Maybe it does. Anyway, um can you see it now? >> Yes. >> Okay. A little bigger. All right. So we've got issuance from the conservation
commission um reason is the voids um that were observed in the upstream embankment and um causing leaking of the dam. it needs further assessment. And so, you know, that the emergency is
for the actual additional lowering um of the lake by 3 ft. And the applicant to perform the work is the damke keeper. He he's he's in charge of of the gate.
Um ordered by uh DCR, Office of Dam Safety. They are the ones that asked that it be lowered three more feet to do the assessment. Emergency service good for a month. And then this is just some language that came from um an email from
GZA um I can't box by my pictures but two to three inches a day is what was being recommended and it sounds like that's basically what's being followed
um till you reach an elevation that's 3 ft below the winter pool. So a total of five feet and then maintain it at the 5t below um until further evaluation of the leaks
can be made and then I think what I put at one point so uh was it was certified emergency by shoot emergency manager Mr. There's your Wonka. And then the only thing I added was a
special condition um that it shouldn't be lowered any faster than 2 to 3 in a day and that it should be returned to its normal winter draw down once the assessment and any emergency repairs um are complete. And that's what was just
described to us is is sort of the plan to do the assessment and do these sort of temporary um emergency repairs. um so the lake can come back to its normal winter level. Tell me if I'm wrong if I'm describing this. And and then
there'll be further grants found and everything to do more studying of the dam and maybe more substantial repairs at some point, you know, in the next couple years. I would think they would want it that soon. Um,
and so I'll stop sharing. All right. If um nobody has any changes or comments or anything on the emergency Well, we can't change it at this point. We're just ratifying it. Um, but any questions on the emergency, let me know.
If not, I'll take a motion to ratify the emergency for lowering the lake. I'll move. >> All right. Second. >> I'll second. >> All right. Fox. >> Hi, >> Douglas. >> Hi.
>> Hi, Wilson. Hi. Great. Thanks for coming. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Well, maybe we'll be talking again. >> Yeah, I'm sure we will. >> Okay. >> Have a good evening. >> You too. >> Take care. Bye. Bye.
All right. Well, that's exciting, right? We'll see where that goes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's >> kind of a little unnerving, but um you know, I I think they'll be able to
go in and assess and um hopefully come up with some good repairs >> and then eventually the dam will get some really more permanent repairs. >> Um all right. So, next on the agenda is
to discuss a letter of complaint received from residents regarding DCR DCR's uh forest clearing project off of Koolieville Road. And I see Don Fletcher's here and Eric Stalker, too.
>> I think Beey and Eric were on their screen for a moment ago. >> Yeah, maybe they'll come back. >> They will. >> Oh, there's Eric >> Yeah. Could I just take a minute um Beth and just to give a little background
about how we came to write the letter >> that help? >> Yep. >> So, several months ago, my neighbors and I became aware that DCR had a proposed cutting plan. Um and we looked at it and we're surprised that there really two
goals. One is to clear cut 20 acres of the 60 acres in our area. So this is the area the bounded by the dirt part of Kulieville Road and bisected by Cornwell Road. So the the 60 acres they have two
goals. One is to clear cut 20 of the 60 acres in one to four acre parcels and target for removal the tall healthy pine trees. Um the this 60 acres involves steep
slopes, rocky outcroppings, um uh seasonal streams, springs, and wetlands. And the methodology that will be used by the timber company that wins
the bid will be uh 80,000 lb uh forestry machines driving over every square foot of those 20 acres that are going to be clearcut as well as uh the getting to and from the the 100-y old pines
probably another 10 acres. So about 30 of the 60 acres will be driven over by these 80,000 lb machines when this project is done. So we are looking at this thinking first of all the removal of the large trees
that sequester the most carbon and absorb the most carbon annually at this time just seems crazy given the battle against climate change. And the use of these machines will compress the soil uh
reduce absorption of the water and uh increase water runoff and reduce the quality of the water going into the quabin. So we're looking at this thinking I don't think there's any dispute frankly about any of that. Um but I uh you know we're looking at this
thinking I we didn't think that a private uh land owner would be allowed to do much of this. So we just thought well who who what is the entity in shootspray that has any say about how this is done or what's done or whether it's properly done and we thought that
looks like it's the conservation commission might be the entity that has that jurisdiction but I don't really know what the limits are and we uh decided to write to you to say uh do you have jurisdiction over any of this and if so how do you exercise that? What
what what what would we expect to see? >> Yeah. If it was let's just hypothetically if it was not stateowned land and if it was uh you know if it was Kohl's doing one of their cutting plans,
we would certainly um have our opportunity to review the cutting plan. you know, the Kohl's would or their whoever their um forester was would would submit it to DCR actually and then DCR sends it to the concom
um certain number of days to just review it and comment on it. We don't have any kind of regulatory um jurisdiction even if it wasn't state land. We simply comment on the cutting plans, send them back to to the state
forester GCR, and then they get eventually approved and um finalized, and they're the ones that actually do the enforcement on private cutting is the the state forester, which is under DCR. If it's again a Kohl's piece of
land and there's a a forester who's now got an approved plan, the the state forester under DCR is supposed to inspect what's going on and make sure he's following the approved plan. So, we just review it at some
point. We don't have the regulatory. But in and in this case, you know, I I remember hearing about this um and then I recently talked to Eric a little bit about it and just thinking how we've we've never been communicated with from
DCR. They've never reached out to us at all about this. And you know, my thought on that is that it's state land and they're not required to. Um >> is that do do you know that or are you just thinking that? >> Yeah. No. Yeah, I don't know that. And I
I think I think we we should we should reach out to them. We should reach out to to the forester who who we've communicated with before about um private cutings and just find out if if we have any kind of role at all in it.
Um >> that's that's really one of the only things we can do is reach out and see what they say. My my thought is because they haven't sent anything to us that they can just say that that we don't play a role. Um because it's state it's
a it's a state project. It's it's stateowned land. Um >> I'm surprised honestly >> look into it >> clarity about stateowned land in Shootsbury and whether or not town commissions have any authority there. >> I'm surprised that this question hasn't
come up before I guess. Yeah. Um, you know what I what I do know about that is is more from I work I've worked in Ammerst a lot and so UMass for example things that happened on UMass
they are really not completely required to abide by like the Ammeris bylaw for wetlands. they they let us know when they kind of want to, but they because it's again stateowned land, stateowned stateowned university. And so I my thought would be
this is a little similar to that. This is this is DCR land, blobin land. Um so but I but I'm happy to look into it. I definitely want to look into it. >> Thank you. >> A lot going on, so I haven't had a chance to, but I I want to do that. Bob,
you have your hand up. >> Yeah. Thank you. Uh Don, um and and I have not seen the plan. Um are there wetland crossings, uh crossing streams, rental pools, things like that? Yeah, there I think there's one particular
little valley and it's a seasonal stream. There's actually two little valleys. There are a number of seasonal streams like you, you know, they're not running right now obviously. And uh the I think the language in the proposed plan is um we'll minimize the number of
times we go over that. Um but you know there's a big chunk of land on the other side of it and the only way to get the logs out is to go over it. So, I don't know what minimize means.
And, you know, I guess I I was I've been assuming that if there are town regulations that protect wetlands that that would apply to the land in town and there wouldn't be an exemption just because it was owned by the state. But that's just me as a citizen imagining
how this works. Obviously, I'm wrong or maybe I'm wrong. >> Yes. So, so sometimes uh Don and and and and like Beth, I'm not completely sure on this. Uh it will say any wetland crossing needs a permit unless you're a state agency or something like that. So
that that's the way our wetlands protection act is is sometimes written. Um it is certainly taking worth taking a look at. You know, we have uh similar industrial projects which we mentioned earlier tonight putting in those giant power lines where these giant machines
will have to bring these poles and and uh uh footings across wetlands and they they do have to submit a plan to us but but I'm with Beth. I'm unsure of uh whether the state does or not. >> Well, and is forestry also. So even in a
coals situation, the Kong doesn't have the same wetland authority that we do because it's considered a form of agriculture. So it's got this exemption really. Um so it goes through this different process with the forest cutting plans and we all all we do is
comment on them. But forest cutting plans are supposed to have delineations. They're supposed to have, you know, >> what you mean by that is um that the wetlands are supposed to be marked out in >> Yeah. A typical cutting plan has a has a
maps associated with it that show where the wetland edges are. So delineations are done and then >> I in my head I think a seasonal stream is kind of in that wetland category. Is it? >> Oh yeah, definitely.
>> I assume so. Yeah. And they and this is the thing too. I I didn't see this cutting plan, but the traditional cutting plans, they've they talk about the lineation. They talk about how much wetlands there is. And then if there are wetland crossings or stream crossings,
they list them and they show them on the maps. Um, and they sometimes will describe what they're going to use. like if they're going to use matting or something to which is those those big pieces of timber if they're going to use matting that's in the cutting plan and it show it would show it on the map
that's how they're getting from one spot to another over the wetland. Um, and then the other thing that cutting that forestry has to do is if you have a a delineation, so you have a wetland line
with the first 50 feet away from that line, I'm blanking on what they call it. They don't call it a buffer zone. It has a different name, but within that 50 feet, they're only allowed to take 50% of the trees that they're taking everywhere
else. So they need to leave more trees within that 50 foot >> space from the um the wetland delineation. >> It's you know it's just funny how it's so different than the wetlands protection act but it at least does include this the whole forestry method
with the cutting plants does include protection of resource areas. The people who enforce it are is DCR and foresters um and not us. Um, so but it is kind of it is just too bad that they didn't
think that they should share their cutting plan with us. >> Um, >> you know, and I don't that's that's just a black hole as far I'm surprised that you don't even get a copy. I assumed that they would at least out of a courtesy send copies of plans, but I'm just speculating about all that. Yeah,
I'll reach out to to the forer uh that I know of from doing private ones and just and see what's going on with that. But it sounds like it's been approved. The cutting plans all approved. >> Yes, it has. Yeah. >> Yeah.
Mateo. Um, so I would just note going through the past records of the commission that historically DCR did submit those for those cutting plans. I don't know when they stopped doing it or why, but um there definitely are force cutting plans
that were sent to the commission in the past. I'm not sure. >> For cutting for cutting within >> for cutting in the area. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, I've been here I lived here for 51 years and um I've never
complained about a forestry project before. Um and for the vast majority of those decades um the foresters were very careful to use, you know, small machines dragging logs rather than having enormous
machines driving through the woods. Um you know, putting out bids for firewood. None of that's happening, you know. Yeah, I don't know that the timber industry is in charge, but all of the policies that DCR is following right now is what the timber industry wants. They
want the big tall pines. Uh they want clear cutting because these machines are designed to clear cut. That's what they do. And so the, you know, to me it's just like, whoa, what is going on here? I can't. This is Massachusetts. You know, the Biden administration put in
new regulations that banned the cutting of 100-year-old trees on federal lands, which was reversed just a few months ago, but the Department of Conservation Recreation in Massachusetts has prioritize the removal of those trees. So, uh, to me, I'm just looking for who
can hold them accountable to really what makes sense. And uh and I I know that there are these waiverss or whatever they're called for agriculture and especially forestry in Shfree where forestry's just always been part of what happens here. So
uh but um I'm not I am surprised you're not getting copies of the plans, especially if there were rules that they should be following on art. >> Yeah. a lot. I'll definitely look into getting a copy of it and um you know, so
I guess our power as the commission would be to review that and and comment on it to DCR, but then also just in terms of bigger ideas like carbon sequestration and that kind of thing, the commission can also just
write a letter, you know, similar to I'm sure what you guys have already submitted to DCR with all of your >> issues with it, you know, >> if we if we look at the cutting plan, >> you know, I I I assume that someone who
has actually some expertise and so forth like your committee would have more say than uh I do though. >> Yeah, it's just something we can offer as just another group that's submitting something. >> Thank you very much. Yeah.
>> Do you know how quickly after it's approved it actually starts or >> um No, we were, you know, that to to to co to to con to to do this work, they had to replace a bridge on Cornwell Road, which they started doing at least
10 years ago and then just didn't do anything. But as soon as we wrote letters of complaint, they went into high gear. So, they've completely rebuilt the road. They've lifted up this, you know, so it's like, oh yeah, they are getting this done as quickly as
they can. Um, they told me last summer that the plan was to put these projects out to bid in 2026. I'm, you know, this is me just speculating now. I think that they probably want to do it on frozen ground.
So, I would I'm kind of expecting their bids to go out in January, February, but that's just me speculating and I'm and I'm not in a good mood. So, it isn't really trusted, but that's that's all I know. It they should be rushing at this point, which concerns
me. >> Yeah. All right. Well, um, >> thank you. We'll definitely look into it, you know, and and also talk a little bit more about putting a letter together. >> Yeah. And and thanks for being
volunteers to in shoot. You know, it's like the town just doesn't work without so many people doing their good work and and I see you guys doing it tonight. So, thank you. >> Sure. Thank you. >> All righty. Good night, everyone. All right. Sign off.
>> Okay. Thank you. Have a good night. Bye. Bye. All right, Eric, did you have anything to add? >> Excuse me. No, I didn't. And um >> Okay. >> I I'm one of those classic cases. I've been advised by the attorney. I have I
have to keep my mouth shut because I'm a select man and all that stuff. So, I'm keep mouth shut. >> Okay. Just listening. >> Just listening. I'm just really just listening. I really am just listening and you I didn't I'm not talking and only because you asked me to.
>> I pressured you. >> Right. >> Well, thanks for thanks for checking. Thanks for doing it though. I will say that. >> Um All right. So, next we have the wetland bylaw regulations. Um, so I know
I got them to you guys, you know, very close to this meeting with the sort of a final version. I I made all the changes from our public hearing and then I uh went through it a few times looking for numbering and formatting, although I
still think there's formatting that could be done, but I just couldn't look at the thing anymore. I really couldn't look at it anymore. Um, but so if people feel like we've reviewed it enough, we can vote tonight
to approve what was sent around. If we feel if you guys feel like you want to read through it one more time, the version that I sent out, we can vote on it at our next meeting. I guess that's how I feel about it, but I'm sort of done reviewing it.
>> I just had a question though. I thought that Donna was supposed to look at it before we then voted on it. Did she do that already or did I miss that part? >> Yeah, remember she came to our meeting with all of her with her comments,
>> right? >> Yeah. No, I thought like afterwards that she was going to go over it even further, but no, I guess that's not the case. I guess coming to the meeting and listening. I I >> Yeah, I don't think she hasn't submitted
me submitted any more comments to me on it. >> Okay. >> Um Okay. Yeah. Um I didn't get a chance to look at it since you sent it out um today. Uh
but um I trust that if that's you know I'm fine with voting on it or holding it off to see if Bob wants further time and and uh that the full board could vote on it all
together or not. >> Yeah, I was thinking of that too that Scott's not here, >> right? >> Are there any consequences in uh putting it off another another meeting so that we could have Scott on board? No, I mean we don't there's not there aren't any big projects out there right
now that that would that we would you know really feel like we wanted some the you know concrete regulations in place that that we that we want to have in place eventually. Um so you know our next meeting is
January 8th I think and and no that's absolutely fine. >> Okay. I just want to get it done. But that's okay. Just want to get done with it. >> You want to see the the back of this one? Yep. >> Yeah. I want to see these regulations up
on the web page. That's what I want. But I'm waiting another month. I mean, yeah, there's not going to be a lot going on this month with the holidays and everything. So, it's fine. But let's do that. And then Scott will be hopefully I'll tell we can kind of tell him that
that's a big vote at that meeting and everybody should be there. >> Yeah, that would that would be my preference. >> Okay, sounds good. Um, and the last thing's unanticipated business, but I didn't have anything. Do
you guys have anything? Nope. All right. So, I'll see you guys at uh Oh, so maybe Monday for the site visit. >> Visit. Yep. >> And then Well, wait. The hike is before
the site visit. >> Maybe. >> I There's so many things going on right now. The hike is the 14th, which is Sunday. Brushy Mountain, Monu Road. If you're up for it, it's uh and actually, yes, it's at 1:00. It's in my calendar
for 1:00. And then Monday the 15th, u Matteo is going to look into uh that site visit for 4:30. Yes, you have your hand up, Matteo. >> Um just that the personnel board is reviewing the the job description for
the land use clerk at their meeting in a week. Uh so this coming Thursday at 5:00, if there's any I don't know any comments that the commission wants to submit to them about the job description for the position.
Um, yeah. So, um, the job description's been revised. Yes. >> Well, I I I think that Nathan Murphy from the planning board wanted to have a conversation with them about the job description. I think he was unaware that
there is a job description. There's actually three of them. I don't know which is the most updated version. Um, but the personnel board has all three of them. I think they're going to review it and talk about it, but just wanted to make the commission aware of that. >> Yeah. No, that's great. I I hope to be
there for that. I want to hear what they have to say. So that's the 18th. No. Yeah, that's the 18th. >> Um. Yeah. >> And so we have a CPC meeting at 7:30. What time is the personnel? >> Uh 5 o'clock.
>> Five o'clock. >> Full full evening for me. >> It's a full day. Um, okay. Yeah. No, I think that's great. I think that that they need to be updated and sort of determine which one is the right
one and update it. So, I kind of want to hear what they have to say. All right. If there's nothing else, I take I'll take a motion to adjurnn. >> Moved. I'll second that.
>> All right. Fox, hi. And Douglas, >> hi. >> And Wilson I. All right. Thanks everybody. Good night. Thanks everybody. All right. Have a good night. Take care. You as well.