Hi, mayor. >> Hi. How you doing? >> Pretty good. I'm okay. >> Yeah. How was the site visit today? Um, I sent I believe I sent
>> Yeah, I saw the pictures. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Um, uh, it was good. Um, >> Penny showed up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She was telling me how things were different
back in the day that everybody went out on Sundays and that um you know she was thinking that that was going to be the case and I was like well
I'm it. So >> and and uh I have co I went on vacation and I I came back and I have CO. So >> Oh no. you know, I was like, "I'm sorry, but you know, like I didn't want to hold you up, so I said that I knew I was the
only one was coming, so I I I showed up." So, >> thank you for doing that. >> Well, you know, >> how do you feel? >> I feel horrible. >> Oh, >> I feel horrible. It's like now it's
moving into my chest. But it's been uh um yeah, it's been a little bit of an interesting haul. But uh um but you know, not as bad not as bad as I did the first time, but this is my second time. And
so but everybody who's told me has the same symptoms that who's had it recently. So, um, but yeah, I guess it's going around like people are telling me like when I you tell somebody you have a CO and I've only told like half a dozen people that they
all have somebody who they know has had it recently and so that's kind of scary, you know, but >> it's going around again. A different I guess it's a different version of it, but >> it is. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. But uh um but yeah, so um >> I'm sorry. Thanks for coming to the meeting. >> Well, yeah. And I wasn't sure like if he would have a quorum, too, so I was going to do that. But yeah, I mean, as long as I don't have I'm not leaving other than that. I was I'm not leaving the house,
you know what I mean? So, um um but I figured, you know, it would be good to have it done. And she said she would because I was standing there and I was like, "Okay." Like, and she's like throwing all information at me. I was just like,
you know, you're are coming, right? And she's like, yeah. I go, okay, I'm just going to send them pictures and you guys, you can narrate the whole thing. So, she's she's cuz she had a whole like, you know, she's really into everything that she was talking about
and uh >> with the medic with it with the with the spray that would be going down and >> and then we're leaving and then more picture. She's like, "Oh, no. Here's another spot where this is." And so, but it was further away from the
lake. So, um, but the other all the other stuff is right on the lake, so >> Okay. >> Well, yeah, I'm sure she'll describe everything to us tonight, so that's fine. And yeah, sorry I couldn't make it, but >> No, no, of course. Of course.
>> Right now. >> Yeah, you sure do. and thanks for coming tonight because Scott's not coming again. >> He's traveling and um he's gonna call in for the certificate of compliance for Mark Rivers because remember at our last
meeting we couldn't approve that because Bob like Bob has to um abstain. So we um and Scott wasn't there and so we couldn't approve >> Mark at um that night. >> Right. So Mark's coming back tonight
just to get approved. Um and so anyway, >> Scott is uh >> gonna call in. I told him so that's at 8:00. >> Yeah. So I told Scott 8:00 to call in. >> Okay. >> Um and he's going to try to do that.
>> Okay. >> But besides that, yeah, if you weren't here, we wouldn't have had quum for all the rest of the stuff. So >> yeah, that's kind of what I was figuring is is because I I wasn't sure if Scott was going to call in or not, but I just
figuring, you know, anyway. >> Yeah. No, it's fine. I guess he's he's got some event tonight with some people in Minnesota and so he can't call in for the whole meeting, but I really I got to call in for that one
>> um approval. So he's going to do that at 8:00. >> Okay. But and I don't know where Bob is. Let's Let's summon Bob. I can't tell if it's Oh, there. >> You guys were both so perfectly still. I
was like, is it frozen? >> We're live. >> There you go. We're good. >> All right. Now, we have quorum. Um, I was telling Mayor that uh Scott's going to call in just for the 8:00 item because that's Mark Rivers's certificate
of compliance that at our last meeting we couldn't approve because you're you were abstaining and Scott wasn't there. So, he couldn't make it to the whole meeting. Um, there's something he's some event he's going to, but he will call in for the 8:00 one. So,
>> yeah. But anyway, it is 7:07 on Thursday, September 11th, and I'm calling this meeting of the Shesbury Conservation Commission to order. This meeting is being recorded. Welcome everybody.
Um, all right. First thing on the agenda, comments from the chair. Um, all I have is that the town got the dam and seaw wall, the state dam and seaw wall grant, which is a great grant. I've applied for it for Ammerst for a few
times and I haven't gotten it, so I was jealous, but um, so he's not on the call yet, but Mark Rivers will be coming tonight to our meeting, and I want to congratulate him because I think he was behind that mostly. It's for um design
and permitting for repairs to the Lake Wyola Dam. >> Oh, great. >> Yeah. >> I I secretly was holding out hope that if it was for a seaw wall that we would get an ocean, but >> I know, right?
>> That would be fun. But we have a lake. >> I'm good with that. >> That's about all we got. Um, and that's exciting too, just because he got CPA money as the match for the grant. Um, so it's good to see that that he got the grant and he can
use the CPA money and all that. So, um, I had that and then my only other thing was that to remind everybody that October 9th um, is the day that we have a regular meeting, but it's also going to be the hearing for the regulations.
>> That's what we decided, right? I thought about that after. I was like, we decided to do them both on the same same night. I think um I'm hoping that the agenda is not too long that night. Um between now and then, we have a meeting on the 25th
of of September that already has some stuff on it. So, I know that meeting is already going to have at least one NOI and an RDA, I think. Um but I'm kind of hoping that maybe on So, wait, October 9th, right? Yeah, October 9th if
hopefully we don't have a lot of other stuff and we can just focus on the regul regulations. >> I had it on for September 25th >> public. Did it get changed? >> It did. Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Basically because um posting it, it has to be posted. Um, okay. Working on posting it, >> um, >> getting it, you know, I think it needs a legal ad and everything. >> Um, so we wanted to just do that, you
know, a few weeks ahead of time and get it out there. Um, so, all right, that's all I had for comments. >> Beg your pardon. So, just so I'm clear that that October 9th meeting would start at 9:00 p.m. Correct.
October 9:07. >> Oh, it was the 7th. O >> October 9th is the date. >> Oh, is the date? It starts at seven. Okay, great. >> Starts at seven. >> Thank you. So, >> we're good. >> Okay. Um, but now that you bring that
up, I wonder if we want to start early for that. Like, why don't we wait and see how the agenda goes? if um if we have other things that we we may want to change the timing, but that hearing I think has to have a particular time because we have
to post it and everything. But if there's a lot on that agenda, we can maybe start the meeting at six or something, but we'll just see how that goes. >> Okay. I would be uh capable of changing if need be. >> Okay, good. Excellent.
Um, all right. Next on our agenda is review and vote on the minutes of October I mean August 14th, 2025. Did you guys get a chance to look at the minutes? >> I I did give them a glance.
>> Okay. All right. I I looked them over. Uh told Matteo I didn't have any comments. Um, so looking for a motion to approve the minutes of August 14th. >> So moved.
>> Second. I need a second. >> You're muted. >> I'm muted because I'm coughing. I'm a second. >> Oh no. Uh, great. Okay. Um, roll call. Um, Fox.
Oh, sorry. She's coughing again. >> Hi, Douglas. >> Hi. >> And Wilson. Hi. Okay. Uh, next we've got site visits. Um,
Mayor, did we have any that don't go with some of the things we're going to talk about tonight? I know you So, you just you did the one to top of the lake. I did top of the lake and then I did a library one, too. >> Oh, okay.
>> Um, and I totally forgot to do the photos for that. Actually, I don't believe I sent you guys the photos. And, um, so that site visit, um, there wasn't anything that hadn't happened already.
Um, I I do have another visit that I'm supposed to do. Um, I was supposed to do it on Monday, but I'm going to because things are a little sketchy as to whether it'll be available, I'm going to move it to probably like Tuesday or
Wednesday. Um, but they were uh they were hoping to start with the landscaping and that I hope things are kind of all settled by that point. But um I did take one photo that was um you
know you and Beth and I and Jan had climbed in that section that's closest to the street. So you know before and so I did take one photo a little selfie because those those um those uh weeds
are like now over like taller than five like 5 and 1/2 ft tall. So, I like I took a selfie of, you know, and I was going to and I sent it to Jan saying like, "Hey, you missed out on this." But then, of course, I didn't send any photos to the commission. So, but uh
yeah, so those weeds those weeds are really are really tall in there. But, um and that, you know, I just kind of hope that things change when they get the landscaping in there. But, um really no
different issues. um you know everything seems to be holding up uh you know and and growing and the parts that are finished are growing in. So, um uh yeah. So, that's my only
update. And that visit um was uh was um it was August 18th and then the next one will be sometime next week. >> Great. Okay. Well, yeah, we haven't had
any rain. Um so, they probably haven't had too many issues. It's been so dry. >> Yeah. Um, that's just another thing for folks to know is that the state did um declare that the Connecticut River Valley is in a level two significant
drought this week. They put out that posting. So, we're definitely in a drought. >> Yeah. Um, >> that's pretty scary. >> Yeah. Not good. >> Two of my neighbors down the street have already had to replace their wells. Um,
they live across the street from each other. One cost $25,000. So, >> oh my goodness. >> Wow. >> As you're heading down Great Pines, the two neighbors that are across from my road. Yeah. It's kind of crazy. So, it's
it's a little nerve-wracking, you know. >> Yeah. Have they had any problems like other years too or? >> Not that I know of, you know. Not that I know of, but um yeah, >> that is frankly astounding because the
the the the water table on that that Great Pines Hill is actually very very shallow. Uh I know that >> Mark Rivers had a had an excavation and it hit hit water on on occasion. So to have it to have to redig a well, that's
really uh that's really quite amazing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Scary stuff. It is. It is. >> Yeah. Because I mean, we've had droughts. 2020, I think, was the last big one, but nobody was paying attention because of CO.
Um, so I'd be interested if those folks had any troubles previously. Also, >> yeah, I'll have to take a walk down there um later this week. I mean, you know, maybe early next week and see um
if you know, but yeah. >> Wow. Quite the expense. Yeah. Um so then um so then I I did a site visit to Bright
Brightwater Bog and also to the um uh not Eversource National Grid I guess it is power line project um which are so brightwater bomb is going to be a quest for determination that we're going to hear about in just a few minutes and
then the uh national grid project is or it's New England Power. Um that's a certificate of compliance. So maybe when we get to those on the agenda, I can talk a little bit about the site visit site visits. >> Great.
>> Okay. And you can talk about top of the lake when we get to that, mayor. Um all right. So next is land management. And Scott's not here. Um so I don't really know anything when he
comes back. I I I know he was trying to get the South Brook project going, finding out from the town how to go through procurement and stuff like that um to get a contractor on board, but we will have to wait till our next meeting
to find out about what's going on with that. All right. So, it's 7:17 and on our agenda at 7:15 is request for determination of applicability from the Kestrel Land Trust for trail improvements within the buffer zone to
bank at Brightwater Bob. Um, and I see Walker is here and so is Chris. >> Yeah. Hi, this is Chris. >> Hi. >> Didn't know if my face was going to pop up or not. >> I don't see either of your faces. >> Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, I know. What a bummer, right? Um, sorry everyone. So, um, I'll just give a brief intro. Beth, as she said, walked through and got the full details with Walker and me on Monday. Um, basically,
it's just basic trail maintenance, mostly focused on water management, water moving down the trails instead of across the trails. So, we want to remedy that. Um, as a reminder, these are trails that were originally created by
uh Julian Janowitz, the former owner. So, they've been around a while. They have some wear and tear. Um, and also we're having, you know, more w more more high high rain events and things like that. So, this is just to address that
that sort of thing. Um, there's uh three areas that are uh regulatory. One within a the 100 foot buffer zone. Um, and that one we're basically planning on doing some late regrading on the trail, some grade dips um for that cross trail
drainage that we want and maybe a little bit of material added um as part of that. And then the other two are locations are along an intermittent stream. They're both crossings of that stream. And basically it involves
resetting some stones, maybe some regrading and again a little bit of material potentially to be added. Um Walker Walker got his face up and I was going to um pass this over to him if you had any questions or wanted any more details.
>> Um yeah, I'm wondering if do either one one of you want to share the map and just show folks. >> Yeah, I can share I can share the map. Um, let me just find the share button here. >> I just turned it on, so you should be able to see it now.
>> Yeah, I found that. Now I just need to find my document. Not finding it in these windows. Let me >> I don't know if you have it, Beth. I'm having trouble interpreting my screen right now.
>> Let me look. I might I can find it. Let's see. I think I have it. If you want me to share it. >> Yeah. If you've got it, go for it. >> Great. Can everybody see that? >> Yes.
>> Okay. Chris or or Walker, just tell us a little bit about what we're looking at. >> Walker, you want to take it from here? >> Oh, sure. Um, you you're muted, Walker.
>> There we go. Number one is um uh an area where the the the water ends up coming down that trail. The the yellow and black dotted line there, the water comes pretty much straight down there. Um it gets a little steeper
in that section. So, right before that area, we were hoping to uh get the water to shed off the trail to the south so it um doesn't become a doesn't continue to be a river as it goes down the stream. Uh down the stream, down the trail bed.
Uh we want it to not be a stream. So, you just want to shed the water off of the trail at that point. It seems to be channelized right there. So, means adding a little bit of gravel there, building it up, opening up the edge. you know, the trail bed is a little bit lower than the edge of the trail. So, we
would uh reverse that. So, the water would just find its way off the trail at that point. Um, and that's there number one. And then overall on the right number two
and three the that um uh intermittent stream comes from the northeast uh sorry northwest and heads down toward the towards the southeast and crosses the those two different trails at that point. So that's the same
intermittent stream that goes through two and then three. Um, and it looks like Jillian had done some some stonework around there to kind of make some interesting spaces where the water would go underneath these rocks and in a culvert like fashion, but they have
since degraded and now the water just kind of finds its way uh wherever it wants and it ends up finding its way down the trail system rather than through the woods where its original stream was. there. Some of it still maintains its own original stream bed,
but a lot of it goes down the trail now. So, the idea would be to um pick up some of the larger stones that have sunk down into the trail and adjust them so that the water maintains itself in that original stream channel. Uh but that there are those stones that are there so
that people moving through that trail would, you know, not be walking in mud. They would be stepping on larger stones. Um, so yeah, the point the goals there would be to keep the the keep the stream from
being so braided uh because it ends up splitting and then crossing over on on a three. It crosses of the trail in two spots. So we would reduce that back down to one spot and kind of armor the trail there where the water goes over it.
And um yeah, it's mostly what we got. Yeah, >> probably use probably use one of the the one of our our little excavator mostly hand work um just for moving these big rock these are pretty big rocks that they got set there.
>> Okay. And and is the green dotted line that's the 100 foot buffer from bank? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Okay. And these three locations were there any other locations? I know we went to these three during the site visit, but I can't remember where there's some other spots.
>> There's there is some additional work planned um that you had you had instructed us to leave out of the RDA, Beth. Um >> Oh, okay. >> I did include the information in the materials in case the Kong was curious.
So, it it should be in the packet. There's another map and there's a page of descriptions of what we're planning on doing. And it's mostly all the same sort of thing. Um water management mostly in those up the upland trail what what we call the upland trail which is
blue blazed. Um so the area we're looking at now and then the area above it. Um and then we had included some maintenance of the the ledge trail the stone steps which we're going to be doing forever. Um so that's that's part
of it too. >> And those areas were all outside. They're outside the 100 foot to correct basically in any kind of resource area. So >> Okay. >> Right. All right. And then the only thing I the commission we talked about it during the site visit but um the
commission may be interested just in how you're going to get the material out to these locations all the gravel and stuff that you're going to use. >> Sure. Yeah. We come I've got a um an you
know off-road 5 foot wide articulated little dumping tractor that that um we'll come across the field on the north side and if it you know it's been obviously pretty dry right now. If it was wet we get some mats to put down there and we were using those that
equipment when we were doing the um the the bog work out there. So familiar with that trail and operating around it. Um yeah, we can move a couple thousand pounds of material in in one one travel
um with only being 5 foot wide. And uh yeah, one of my Yeah, one of the machines has some larger low low uh low PSI tires on it. So, >> okay. And when are you guys thinking of
doing this work? >> Oh, sometime before snow. >> Okay. in the fall. That's good. Um All right. Um >> potential beginning of October.
>> Okay. >> Which is pretty soon. So maybe middle of October. >> All right. Um I guess Matteo, you can stop sharing. Commissioners, do you have any questions on the work? I just wanted to say I I think it's
entirely in keeping with um you know the mission of the commission to allow outdoor recreation and uh by putting in uh trail bars it would reduces erosion. So certainly uh it sounds like an
outstanding project to me. >> Yeah, I I I did the site visit and saw the all three of those locations. Um, and certainly the the first one where they're just basically adding u material in order to redirect the water. Um, to
me it was an upland type area. You have a a trail there that's got a grade to it. And so during storms you get water coming down there. But besides that, the wooded areas on either side of the trail, they were not wetland to me. So,
you know, if they put material in there and it stays mostly on the trail, I see no issues really. And then the little the the little intermittent stream was that was kind of neat, but it was definitely one that goes underground half the time and then weaves its way
through the woods. Um, not a big flow. Um, and I think just rearranging all those large rocks that I that Julian and I, you know, obviously been trying to create a path for the water to go across the trails. Um, it'll just improve
everything and it'll be fine. No real issues that I saw. Mayor, do you have any questions or concerns? I I did not attend the site visit, but when you brought up the map, I I walked it. Um I walked I used to
walk it like every week, so I know exactly where you're talking about to the problem areas and I'm grateful especially for number one. Number one was always a huge problem area. But um no, I yeah, I'm grateful for all the work that's been
done. It's just amazing. Um, I think Julian would be very very happy with with how things have gone because he was just so into his property and into these trails and into recreation. And I'm just
so happy that, you know, he did what he did. I really am. It's just it's just wonderful. And and I get that about the the stone the stairs. I know the stairs are are challenging as well, especially in the spring when it's
icy and and so yeah. No, very very happy that you guys are doing all this work. >> Great. Great to hear. Thank you. He left us a great legacy. All of us. >> Absolutely. Absolutely.
>> Really? It's a special special spot, no doubt. But you guys have made it just I feel like more more welcoming and more available to the public, but also just a little more durable, you know, for for lots of people to use it, which is great. >> Yeah.
>> Yep. >> Um All right. Uh any questions from the public? That would be Penny, but no. >> Hi, Penny. Um, all right then. Uh, I'll take a
motion to close the hearing. We can do a double. We'll do close the hearing and issue a determination of applicability. >> I'd like to make motion that we close the hearing and issue the determination of applicability. >> Second. >> Oh,
>> great. Um, roll call. Douglas, >> hi. >> Fox, >> hi. >> And Wilson, I All right. Great. We don't have the determination drafted up. It's been kind of some crazy weeks for me lately. And um but I will draft that up
and get it to you guys in the next next week or so. >> Great. Thank you, Beth. Thank you, everyone. >> All right. Thank you. Thanks, Walker. >> Thank you. >> Bye. >> Bye. >> All right.
Unfortunately, our next hearing doesn't start till 7:45 and it's only 7:32. >> Uh, this may I just ask an unrelated question? >> Yeah. >> So, um, I frequently drive by
the dam site at on um, Lux Pond Road and I see the D file number is still up. Has the town made any effort to file a certificate of compliance application or are there still issues with the site?
>> The dam. You mean the culvert? >> The culvert replacement. Yeah. Sorry. Yes. >> Um the last I heard about that was Steve Sullivan. I had a little site visit with him out there to look at vegetation that had grown in.
>> This is a while ago now. and everything looked fine. In fact, he was just asking about removing some of the silt sock and I said he could that it looked fine and that he could do that. Um I think at that point there may have still been something he was trying to
do. I can't remember now. That was a while ago. I haven't heard anything else from >> just you know there's been so much transition in town staff. Steve has been gone for a year and Becky who spearheaded that project is gone and I
um I just wonder if it's fallen through the cracks at this point. >> Yeah, I mean it definitely definitely um looks all reveated and and everything but it looks fine. I can >> would you I I'm happy to talk with Haley
but I don't want to overstep bounds here. um just suggest I I don't even think she knows much about the project. It was >> um yeah for sure that's fine. Go for it. That sounds great because yeah, we have
not issued a certificate of compliance for that. So that would be good. Yeah, I don't and Paley probably doesn't know anything about it. Um,
all right. What else can we talk about? So, yeah, the state declared the drought this week. That's always exciting. >> What level are we in? >> Level two significant.
>> Wow. >> Yeah. So, so that so that plays with like if we had any sort of um delineations to do or or Yeah, mostly delineations. >> Well, I know there are a couple people
on the lake who have uh lawn watering systems that were p permitted and they were told they couldn't use them during droughts. I wonder if they remember that. >> Yeah. Is is that um
I wonder what that falls under. So in Ammerst that all falls under our water permit because we provide drinking water. Um and so regulatory wise we have our permit and our permit has a section on water conservation and it
>> specifically says if drought is declared you must implement your conservation measures which involve not you know uh not allowing people to use sprinkler systems and things like that. Um and then we actually have to enfor enforce it. We have our water department has to
go around and um notify people if they are doing that. But so I'm just wondering in shoot where there's no >> water permit >> there. Well that there are there were orders of conditions that I recall
that both stated there were uh water drawing water from the lake during a declared drought was forbidden. But none of us ever checked on that. So, this was for when somebody came asking for a permit to put in a sprinkler system.
>> It's not a sprinkler system. Well, it is a sprinkler system, but it draws its water from the lake. >> Okay. But that's how those orders were created was they they came forward with a project to do that. >> They both filed notices of intent, I think. >> Yeah.
So, there's orders of conditions for folks on the lake. >> Yeah. Do you remember where they were, Penny? >> They're both on the east side. Um, one is on a little peninsula,
northish, but I mean, I don't recall the name. It was a number of years ago. Um, and he had a lovely lawn. And the other one I think it was the Grios.
>> Oh, okay. >> What road do they live on? >> They live on North Laur uh South Laurel. >> South Laurel, right? All right. And the the one with the little peninsula was a road off of >> off of Shore Drive.
>> It might be off of Shore Drive. Yeah. >> Cove road maybe. Yeah, you know, it's it's probably eight or nine years ago. It's a blur. >> It's where that it's that road where they did um all the the um installed a
lot of the rock because of uh they were just kind of getting stuck in there. And there's um I can't remember the woman that you wanted that you were talking to about being on the commission, Beth. Um
>> she lives on that road and then there's one other property on that road um on that little peninsula area. >> I can't think of it. >> Have to look at a map.
>> All right. Well, if I can find the roads and and a little more info, maybe um Matteo, maybe you could research finding the actual orders of conditions and then we could um
you know, check in on check in with those folks. Good to know. >> Yeah, I think you know things get lost over time. Yeah. Yeah. I never would have guessed
in Shoes Fair that that that kind of thing would be going on actually. >> Well, I remember >> most people don't have lawns. >> I know. >> Right. Yeah. But uh I remember when this was filed with the commission. I didn't think it was permittable, but
it is. >> Yeah. Penny, you were also talking about about wanting to talk about other things about the top of the lake >> and how >> so um before we open the public meeting,
I just will say that I was um uh I don't know disappointed that more commissioners weren't able to come. I understand the reasons why, but I would love to be out there at some point with um several of you because one of the
things I've wanted to do for a long time is get the commission's take on developing a management plan for that site. I don't think it's a very complicated thing. Um but I also am not sure if all of you have been out there to see it since it's been finished. So,
um I I I was excited about the idea of sharing it with you and um so just that thought. >> Yeah. So, sorry. This was just a bad week, I think. Um >> I know. And I'm really sorry to hear why
why your week is bad. >> Thanks. Thank you. Um well, and then Scott is traveling again around the world or well around the country. Right. >> Um but when he gets back um you know because he's sort of the conservation
area um guy, so management plans and stuff like that would fall under him. When he gets back, we should >> we should plan a a trip for all of us to go, you know, maybe on a weekend or something and and while we're there, we can talk about the management plan.
>> Yeah, I think that would be great. I think it uh as I said it's not a it's not a complicated plan but um >> Right. >> Mhm. >> And I also wanted to kind of chime in on that and that I wanted to see if we
could put on the agenda too was Randall Road and what the plan was for Randall Road. um all the way from the top down to the boat launch and and um with the signage and you know I' I'd
love to have that get off the ground as well. >> So I know Scott has uh has a CPA grant to do trail work there >> or the does, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So just you know as backstory on that
I've been I'm so glad you guys are doing that. I'm I'm really really excited that that's finally moving forward. But maybe eight years ago, um we put in a kiosk right at the boat launch. And the plan for that was to have half of the information via trail map for South
Brook and the Shootsberry, what is it? The Lake Wyola conservation area, which are all sort of one and the same. And then half of it for the lake group to post information. And that was put in partly because
prior to that there were signs posted on every tree just all over the place. So it was meant as an effort to consolidate everything into one location. And the concom never had a trail map to post. So I'm hoping at the end of all the work
that Scott is doing that that will go inside kiosk. And again, it's one of those things with all the transition in the in the commission over years, things like that get lost in the, you know, as people move on. But so,
>> yeah, I didn't know that. I I knew there was a kiosk thing there, but I didn't know that I guess that the conservation commission would be sort of in charge of filling part of it. But I think um I think that's great. He paid the
commission paid for half of it. So, you know, you own half the real estate. And I think the lake has posted a lot of things in there. And because the commission didn't have a map or rules for the site, um there really wasn't
anything to post, but someday. >> Yeah, definitely. Well, and we have that on our agenda for tonight. Um, again with Scott not here, I don't know how much we want to
get into like management, you know, but I I and I feel like and well, Penny might know of it about um there is some is there any management plan already for Southbrook? >> I thought so. I thought I had seen
>> Well, let me rephrase that. Uh well, you know, the the two parcels were bought at different or bought donated at different times. Um Janice Stone put together a management plan for
the Lake Wyola Conservation Area, the one closer to the half that's closer to the lake. Maybe oh gosh, I'm going to say over 20 years ago, I'm sure it could be refreshed. And there is no management plan for the
Southbrook portion of the property. I would think the management for the two halves would be fairly similar. Um, so somewhere in the files, I'm sure Matteo can find it for you, there's a a
plan that Janice put together, >> right? That's been interesting to know that. >> Um, okay. Well, that yeah, that's good to know. And and like you said, we kind of have this chunk of money right now. Um,
and I'm sure once we start the project, the budget will kind of get refined and stuff like that. And maybe we can fit in um just a nice map. >> That would be great. we can yeah that we can get made and
and posted. Um >> I think it's 7:45. >> It is. I was just going to say 7:45. All right. So 7:45 item request for determination of applicability from the town of Shootsbury for invasive plant
mitigation within the buffer zone to Lake Wyola at top of the lake conservation area. Penny Okay. So, um I think most of you know that this little park um is a town conservation
area managed by you guys. Um I am presenting this to you because you can't because I'm well actually Haley signed as the applicant here and I'm just um I'm um volunteering to present the plan.
Um I contacted Brian Collerin um to come out and look at the site. Um I have a map or or maybe you guys have the map, too. I mean, it's a very it's a handdrawn map, but it's a
tiny little project. I'm happy to share it if >> Yeah, that would be good. Okay. Magic. Okay, >> so um you can see there's there are two parking spots on Merrill Drive. And what
we've done in the past oh gosh, it's been eight years or so is a fence has been put around put uh along the boundary that's on the the left side of the map and we've planted native shrubs um along
that fence. And then there's a cluster of shrubs up near the lake. There's a very big white oak tree in the middle of the property that's shown there. There was a large boulder on the site. We've put in a native plant garden there. And in doing all that work, what we
discovered was the whole shoreline is a tangle of of glossy buckthornne. And a couple years ago, Robin Harrington and I uh with the okay of the commission went out and tried to remove a bunch of it by hand with a weed wrench. And it
was just um there's just more than we um could manage to do. I mean, there are hundreds and hundreds of plants. And so, um, Brian came out, he looked at the site, he said, "This is a pretty small
project." And what he proposes doing is coming out this fall um after the native plants have lost their leaves and and um treating the buckthornne, which should
still have its leaves with uh aquanet, which is a glyphosate compound, but it is one that is um approved as um um uh product that you can use in sensitive areas.
So um I think it has different adgivants in it that are less harmful. And what he proposes doing is carefully handspraying the vegetation that he can do from the bank. And then as he approaches the bank, he
would um cut the stems and paint the um the freshly cut surfaces. and he proposes doing this sometime in October. He would come back and assess next June
and hopefully um at that point we would be able to manage this by cutting and hand trimming. And then uh next spring we would also plant native plants to um
hopefully fill in the bank and make it more difficult for the buckthornne to reestablish. But but it requires annual monitoring for ever probably. As you know native plant um invasive plants
are hard to completely get rid of. And I will say there's a seed bankank nearby. So it it will be an ongoing problem. And so that is basically the problem of the project. >> Okay. So just one treatment then. >> Well,
>> I hope so. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And so the grant covers that work, the cost of that work and also the expense of purchasing um native shrubs. And then
I or the commission, whoever is interested, can coordinate the planting of those shrubs. >> I think that would be fun. Um did you already choose the shrubs or no? Um, no,
>> no, I did not. I mean, I can tell you just from what's planted on the site already, it would be things like, um, you know, the native bush, blueberry, um, button bush, close to the water,
um, clethra, you know, the standard sort of things. Then certainly if the commission had suggestions, you know, we can talk about that. I I don't have a set idea. Winterberry. Um
swamp. >> Alder is always good. Alder >> alder, right? Alder is a good one. So certainly things that are vigorous growers would be good. >> Yeah. Okay. So, in um is it pretty much like 90% of the
vegetation that's out there right now is the buckthornne or once this all gets treated >> I was just saying before we can get in and plant is there going to be anything that will still be there to kind of hold the bank a little bit? >> Yes. So, I've been planting things along
there for a long time. There are some aelas. There's some um blueberries. There's some tiny red maples. I will say the portion. So, you can see if you're looking at the top of the map
there on the shoreline where the brown is, that's where the steps are that go down into the lake and the the the stone pad in the lake to allow people to get into their boats. Um, but just to the left of that, that is almost exclusively
buckthornne. On the other side, I would say it's maybe a 50/50 mix of buckthornne and a variety of other things that you would want to be there.
Okay. All right. Well, I think it's a great project. Okay. I don't have concerns about using the herbicide. I feel like um we've got a professional who knows what they're doing who's going to do it
and using a product that sounds like is one that is one of the ones that they call out as being better for wetland areas. Um so I think it's a good project and it's a CPA funded project,
>> right? Um, Mayor and Bob, do you guys have questions, concerns? >> I I I concur. I think this is a a marvelous little area. Um, it shows that uh some serious thought has been put
into a way to uh uh as safely as possible control the nuisance vegetation. So, uh I I I wholeheartedly support it. >> Great. Um, the only thing I wanted to add was that right next to the parking
area as we were leaving, which was probably aboutund and maybe 30 feet away from the shore, uh, is was another patch of buckthornne that, uh,
Penny found as we were leaving. So, >> it's a single pioneer buckthornne. >> Okay. And then the other only other thing that Penny had said when I went on the site visit is that um the neighbor
to the north um also had buckthornne that continued to the left of those stairs onto their property. And I just was wondering if it would be possible if Penny if you were there, you know, or
the person who's spraying whether they would consider approaching since it's going to continue to be a problem and spread onto this property. Uh just maybe if there was a possibility of offering to spray that small section
that was on the other neighbors property if they agreed. um just that so that it kind of eliminates the actual problem or at least that patch >> that continued on to the other property. So >> that is somewhat problematic in that we don't have the best relationship with
the abutter. >> Yeah. No, I know. I understand. I remember when this was all going on. >> Yeah. Yeah. Right. And then and the other complexity and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong. Uh, we wouldn't want to do that on
proper on his property without a permit. >> Okay, true. No, I was just thinking trying to think outside the box. >> I mean, maybe some will drift over there. I didn't say that, but frankly, from driving in that end of the lake fairly often.
>> Yeah, >> there's buckthornne everywhere. >> Yeah. >> You know, there's buckthornne along Gaslight Road. There's Buckthornne across the street from Merrill Drive. It's um and I'm sure if you were in a boat paddling around the lake and you
looked at the shoreline, you would see patches of buckthornne all over the place. You know, I think >> there was a UMass group um I believe they were I don't know used to be wildlife
conservation. What do they call it? I I forget the name. They changed that department name so many times. I forget what the current one is, but there were students in the, you know, wildlife and forestry department and they did a
project uh on Buckthornne up up in that area right on the lake when they were students. So, I it's it's all over the place, >> but we could make one little safe haven. >> Yeah.
And I think it it's a small enough area that if we just every year, you know, keep pushing it back away from our little >> our little lakefront, we can probably keep it. >> I hope so. And I think the more densely
it's planted with the plants we want, the the easier it is to to do that. >> Great. Well, sounds good. Um, so I have no more questions or concerns.
Um, so I guess I'm looking for a motion to close the hearing and issue the determination of applicability. >> This one's all you, Mayor. >> I'm sorry. a motion to close the hearing
and um issue the um permit for uh the RDA for um the top of the lake. Sorry, >> I will second that. >> Great. All right. Fox.
Fox. >> Hi, Douglas. >> Hi. >> And Wilson. Hi. All right. Thanks for coming, Penny. Thanks for doing all this work. >> Well, you know, it's it's um something
I've been plugging away at that spot for a very long time now. So, it's nice to see it more or less done. And special thanks to Mayor for coming out today while she has co. So that was above and beyond.
>> Yeah. >> All right. Well, we'll get the determination together and get it to you next week. Um, and then when Scott gets back, maybe we can uh we can just have some meetings maybe that are just dedicated to conservation
land management and and we'll do a site visit to Top of the Lake and just start talking a little bit about >> management plans. >> Yeah, keep me posted. Um, I'd love to go to Top of the Lake with you and um, you know, I'm still interested in all those properties. So, um, if there's any
questions that you have or things that I can help with, let me know. >> We will. Thanks for offering. >> Okay. See you guys soon. Bye. Bye. >> Okay. Bye, Penny. >> Bye. >> All right.
It is almost 8 o'clock. It's close enough. 7:59. All right. So, next on our agenda at 8 is certificate of compliance from Mark Rivers for deck edition within the buffer zone to bank at 70 um Lake Drive
D number 2860174. Um, I see Mark's here and Mark, you kind of presented this to us at our last meeting that we had. Um, is there anything else you want to add or?
>> Um, no. Technically though, uh, um, the, uh, the the, uh, 286- 174 is not for the, um, the the addition to the house or the deck. that it was
for the uh septic system that we put in in 2002, >> right? >> And so and I know we don't have a quorum because Bob was isn't a butter. Uh but >> well I um we're waiting for Scott to
call in. I told him about this. um he wasn't able to make it to the rest of the meeting, but I told him that this was going to be happening at 8 PM and that he should call in. Um so >> give him a few minutes. I'll text him again right now and see if >> if he remembers.
>> Yeah, there's a hypothetical question since Bob wasn't a property owner back in 2002. Um you know, if this had happened back in, you know, in in that time frame, Bob wouldn't have been in a butter. Uh, does
that make any technical difference? >> Um, I mean, if we can get Scott to vote, it's just easier. >> Okay. >> And then we don't have to try to think about whether or not it still applies or not. And he says he's calling in now.
>> Okay, great. >> I'm wondering if he's having trouble calling because that was at 7:58. But let's give him a few minutes to see if um if he calls in and then we can vote on it. >> Okay.
>> Oh, and earlier tonight I told everybody about the the grant, the the dam grant for the Lake Wyola Dam. So, congratulations. >> Thank you. Yeah, it was it was a it was a you know, it's a it's a it's a complicated process, but we got it
through. So, we got $55,000 total uh to do the design and scope of work for the dam. And um hopefully you you'll be I'll be back next year um asking for uh the CPA and the the office of dam safety for
the actual money to actually reo the repair work. >> Yeah, >> we're not done yet, but we're getting closer. >> Yeah, that that's great though. um design and permitting is so expensive. Um and that's part of the whole thing
and and it's great to get a grant for that part of it. And and yeah, I know sometimes grant programs if if they give you money for the design and permitting, they're a little more apt to also give you the money for construction. >> Sometimes no guarantee, but
>> I'm hopeful. I'm I'm very hopeful. Oh, and he's calling in now trying. He says meeting ID not on website. Yes, I was. The other thing I'll be working on or Elvac will be working on will be the uh
the the lake lowering permit for 2027. We're going to we're going to start that this fall to get all those permits in place. Oh, that's good. Beth, if he if he calls your phone and you put him on speaker phone, then that
also works as long as we can all hear him and he can hear us. >> Oh, okay. When we post the link for the meeting, is there a phone number too for people to call in? There's a a one there's a onetap uh
mobile number, but there isn't a Zoom no longer uses a separate phone number for calling in. They only the invitation only has the URL. >> So, so you still you still tap on that if you want to call. >> Yeah, it should just open up in whatever
browser he has uh on his uh smartphone. >> Oh, I see. Huh. I don't know. >> Thought you had to have >> I'll tell him that. >> He just came into the waiting room. He's
coming in. >> Oh, good. Yay. There you are. >> Hey, I'm here. >> Great. Thanks for coming.
>> Yeah. No worries. Sorry, I had a hard time getting on. >> Yeah, that's okay. >> I had to pull my laptop. I'm standing out here by my truck. >> Hey, you look like you're outside in Minnesota. >> I am. I'm in uh in near Purum,
Minnesota. Western Minnesota. And uh yeah, I was at a we're back here visiting old friends and they had a party for us. So, um, I said I I got to go to a com a con meeting. >> Well, thanks for taking time out of your
party. >> Yeah, no worries. I Well, this is important. >> Yeah. So, we've got Mark here and we're we're right on time. We're about to Yep. to to take a vote of certificate of compliance for um an order conditions
that got issued to him quite a while ago. Um, and the certificate of compliance was never done. And then there was weird stuff. >> No rigor. >> There was no rigor with it. >> Yeah. But it was for a septic system that was installed in 2002. So I think I
think everything was done according to the order. Um, so on that note, I take a I'll take a motion to issue the certificate of compliance um for
uh looking at the 70 Lake Drive DP file number 2860174. >> All right. So move. >> All right. Um and a second. >> Second. >> Okay. Khan, >> hi >> Douglas,
>> I recuse myself as a director better, >> right? Um, Fox, >> hi. >> And Wilson, I All right. Thanks, Mark, for sticking it out to get that done. >> Well, thank you. Appreciate all the help.
>> All right. We'll get that certificate to you um next week. >> Great. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you all. Appreciate the help. Bye, Mark. Hold on. >> All right. So, Scott, are you sticking around or you going back to your party?
>> I I should go back in, but um did you do the land use report? >> The land land management. Um we didn't say anything. We kept saying when Scott comes back, we're going to do all this stuff. >> There's a lot to do. Um >> there's a lot to do.
>> I do. I um So, um I did go by the parking lot. Looked great. I I um for Westwab woodlands and I think um on my list there is to look at signage and then begin to think about a trail and
layout and so we can think about grant funding for that. Um, I have been working with the town to I would love to bid the um uh the the project the design build for
um the um uh South >> and I I I've kind of I'm trying not to pester too much, but I I feel like I'm reaching out um a couple times a month to keep
that going. it's a larger grant and I think um folks are trying to figure out the best way to get it like the process to get it bid and so um that's where that's still at is I think waiting for the the town to to issue a bid and I'm
not really sure what role the concom's going to have in bidding it. I I don't think a lot. I think the town does that and then we'll be available to do our part once it does get bit. But anyways, that's an update on the um uh on the
land report. >> Okay. There was one thing that that came up about it was that um so Penny was on this on our call tonight and um she had said there's a kiosk there by the parking lot at um closer to the boat
ramp area and that the idea of that kiosk some of the funding to build it came from the conservation commission and one of the things that was supposed to go in there was a map of the trails the Southport trails um and so >> we were just thinking oh if there was
any money in the whole trail project that we're doing to make a just to make a simple map. I >> I make maps sometimes at work. I mean, we have a plotter. We have we I can laminate like we can if there's
we can maybe it can be something that's not going to cost too much money, but maybe we can create a map. >> I I think that would be great. it. I'd have to go back and refresh my memory, but we did build in for the match. Some of our work was blazing. I think um
putting up some of the signage I think was match that we had >> put forward um on behalf of the town, you know, for but it was pretty simple. And so um yeah, I I I agree. I think
that would be good to have done. Um, I I right now I think it's getting some idea for where this project is going to come in at, if it's going to be way over or way under. And um, we really just needed to get the bids out so we can see
what it actually is going to be. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But >> Yep. All right. >> Well, good. Well, good to see all of you. I'm sorry to um talk and run, but good to see all of you. and we'll see you here in another few weeks.
>> Okay. Have a good rest of your trip. >> Okay. Bye. >> Safe travels. >> Bye >> bye. All right. Well, our next certificate of compliance isn't until 8:15. Four minutes.
Bob, how are things in uh Andover? It's Andover, right? where you're >> things things are really good. We just got a um a grant to um expand our river cleanup program from one town to five
towns along the the mighty Marramac. Um >> nice. >> Um yeah, some some some really cool things are happening. We did a repopulation of um uh uh endangered turtles that have been uh nurtured in
classrooms and we release them into the wild. That >> Oh, that's awesome. >> Awesome. Yeah. >> Um >> these are like Andover elementary schools or something. >> Exactly. Yeah. But the Pike School, which is a middle school in Andover, uh
did that. And um Dr. uh Jones uh who uh got his PhD at UMass Ammerst. Uh he's a state herpatologist. He came out to to to to do work there. So it was uh to to and talk to the kids.
It was it was just amazing. Um Oh, I did want to ask um uh we still have an open seat, correct? on the on the concom >> the last meeting you said that you were uh you you were hunting. How how was the
hunt going? >> Penny actually sent me a name from somebody. So I I remember I think I told you guys I talked to Jennifer Wallace and she seems a little too busy with um with the erosion task force at this point. She didn't completely say no. But
then Penny had sent me a name that I haven't really followed up on yet. Um, Matteo, did we get anybody any other responses? >> We had two people inquire and you know, I sent them the standard email response,
invited them to look at the website and um, respond to that survey and um, I've not heard back from either of them. Um, so when our our uh questionnaire intimidated them, >> no, no response to that. There is a special town meeting coming up on
September 30th, so that might be an opportunity to stand up in front of certain town residents um and uh make a pitch. >> Yeah, that's a good idea. Or even just hand out flyers or
something or post it there. But yeah, or stand up. I could do that. What's What's the date of that special town meeting? >> It's September 30th. >> Oh, that's coming up. >> Yep. At 6:30.
>> All right. I will uh think about that and decide. Look at my calendar. Yeah. So, that's where we're at, Bob. But if you Yeah. know anyone? Have any ideas of folks? Spread the word.
Um, and I'll reach out to that person that Penny sent me the name of. We'll see. I was in Andover for a wedding. >> Oh, cool. Where was the wedding? >> The Stevens estate.
>> I don't think I know where that is. The Stevens estate. >> I couldn't tell you that. I >> Okay. Huh. >> I can Google the address quickly. It was great. >> I found if it if it doesn't have wetlands, I've never been there. So,
>> was it if it was a hilltop? I've never been there. >> Yeah. There weren't any wetlands. >> I can tell you the road because I know everyone wants to know. Do you have an Albanian population there
too? >> Albanian. Um >> yeah. >> Yes, actually we do. >> Okay. >> Um >> how did you know that? >> Well, because I was in Albania and uh um on vacation and I was coming back from
Toronto and I was in line to check in because we couldn't check in online. We had to stand in line to get our boarding passes and and the clock kept ticking and it says, you know, the the the
counter is going to close 45 minutes before the plane takes off and and there was like 15 people in front of me and they had like less than a minute to do all the people and and the guy in front of me I ended up becoming friendly with and he's from
Andover And and so I said, "Well, where are you going?" And he's like, "Poston." And and then, you know, we kept running into each other cuz we had the same legs of the trip. And and then we finally ran into each other going through customs and so we're like, "Oh, you made it. Oh,
you made so it was interesting." But anyways, yeah. No. So he's Yeah. He lives in Andover. Lovely man. >> Yeah. Interestingly enough, there's a and I don't know the history, but there's uh Baloyan, Durunian, and all of
these folks of the that one particular ethnic Albanian stock that uh have set settled and farmed for centuries in Andover. So, it's uh nice. >> It's kind of kind of kind of interesting.
>> That is >> Yeah, he told me. Yeah. Yeah. But we we both have Albanian connections. But did you find the name of the place? >> Um, so the the Stevens Estate on Ozgood Street in North Andover.
>> Okay. I do I in North Andover. >> That's what it says. Yeah. So, is that a different town? >> North Andover is actually a different town. Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> They had a They had a fight like 200 years ago and the two churches split and they drew a line in between them. So, one's North Andover, one's Andover.
>> Oh, okay. Interesting. Well, this was in North Andover a couple weekends ago. That's fine. >> Um, all right. It is 8:17, so we can talk about the certificate of compliance from um New England Power for
exploratory soil borings within buffer zone to bordering vegetative wetlands along the E5 F6 transmission lines. Um, back corner road. Uh, so I don't know if you guys were I don't think mayor was probably on the commission when this one
came through. Bob, I don't know. It was um it was a notice of intent, but it was a simple simple project. It was these two exploratory borings, two different locations, both into pads for um
electrical towers. Um, one right next to Pratt Corner Road, one pretty far up the transmission line. I I had to I walked with when when the notice of intent was filed, which is a while ago now. I walked all the way up to that site with
um with one of their representatives. Um, but anyway, it was just for exploratory borings because they were needing to do some maintenance of the towers and shift them a little bit and so they just were, you know, going down 20 ft to just see
what the soil was like. Um, so anyway, I um they filed for the certificate of compliance. They sent those pictures. I did drive by and got went and looked at the one that was pretty close to Prat Corner Road and it's all completely reveated. they they you know very simply
went in with a rig and just went down once and and they used a lot of matting and that kind of thing and so there was really no impact at all and everything looks fine now. It doesn't look like they did you can't even tell that they did anything. Um and I know that they will be filing at some point for the
actual work on the towers on those two towers. Um so that'll will be a whole another notice of intent at some point. Yeah, sounds like very uh demeanative work. Um and uh that they've that they
have complied if it's reveated. So with your permission, Madam Chair, I'd like to make a motion that we issue the certificate of compliance. >> Great. Um second. >> Need a second.
>> You need a cough, mayor. Uh, second. Are you Are you feeling okay? Um, all right. Uh, roll call. Douglas, >> hi. >> Fox, >> I and Wilson. I
Right. Great. We have a lot of certificates of compliance tonight. Uh, arc. Our next one says 8:30. Um maybe before we do that we can just talk
take a look at and talk about the um responses to the open meeting law complaints that we got. So I sent you guys two writeups of like responses to written responses. Um I can bring them
up on the screen if you guys want to look at them. Why don't I do that? That'd be great. All right. Can you guys see that? I can make it bigger. So, this is um in the letter format and
it's a letter that the select board had created as one of their responses to an open meeting law violation. And so I just they sent it to me and I just used it as a template. Um
so it's just a letter to Tom Seafford So, a commission receives an open meeting law complaint on August 8th. Um, we're going to take this opportunity to respond under the law. And then it's
saying that that um it was alleged that the commission violated over meeting law on July 10th when we met and discussed an item on the agenda um which the the complaintant
um is saying was incomplete or and unclear, misleading, not specific enough. specifically alleged that the phrase subduing not we coalition lacked clear reference. Um and then he's also
alleging that it was done intentionally. Um, so then our response to that is that we agreed because it, you know, as long as everybody's still on the same page about it at our last meeting when we talked about it, we did agree that it it was not described clearly that the
topic for the meeting was not described clearly enough in the agenda for the public to understand um what was going to be discussed at the meeting. Therefore, it was a violation of the open meeting law. Um, we acknowledged that at our August 14th meeting and
we've now sort of we've standardized how we're going to be presenting items on our agenda. And then I do add that we do not agree that the wording of the agenda was intentionally written. So, we're agreeing that it was a violation and we
will send this letter to the attorney general um and to the complaintant. Um, but we you're not agreeing that it was actually done intentionally. So, that's all I that's all I put in there. And then it has our signatures.
Um, yeah. And it goes to the attorney general's office. I'm sure we'll also send a copy to town hall. Um, and then to Tom. How does that look to you guys? Yeah, I
thought I thought it was good and honestly I think it's one of them most compassionate open meaning law violation responses I've ever seen and that we did did acknowledge that uh we we could have done better. So I I I I think that's
great. Usually the at least in in my experience they become battlefields. So I I thought it was handled in a very m mature and uh compassionate way. >> Good. I agree. >> All right.
Excellent. Um because the second one looks just like it. It's just got different dates and things because he he filed two, right? Based on two different agendas that were a little bit different. But um because the other one says the exact
same thing. Yeah. The violation was July 24th. And the phrase they had a problem with was administrative approval request from the town but same reasoning it lacked
um clarity. Yeah. So those so those so those two letters it sounds like you guys are fine with them. Um yeah, like I said, we'll just go I guess I definitely go to the attorney general and to Tom and I I think we'll CC um
Haley, town administrator, maybe the select board to send them a copy, too. Um, the next question is, do should you guys sign these actually sign them? Like we can leave them up at town hall and sign them or whether we
can do it electronically. I think I think you guys might have to actually sign these. Um, is that doable? Um, oh gosh, I could possibly get up there
Friday, but there are no office hours on Friday. Is that correct? >> Matteo, is anybody around on Friday? >> So, town hall is open Friday, I think, until um I can't remember if it's till 12 or 1.
Um I I won't be there, but if they are if this is left in the um concom mailbox in the hall, then >> you get them that way. >> Yeah, I apologize. I don't I don't think I would be able to get get there by that time
or one o'clock. >> Oops. >> Can I give you an affidavit to uh have you sign it for me, Matteo? I am not sure about that. >> I'm not sure about that. I don't know how that
when when are you going to be in town again, Bob? Anytime soon? >> Um yeah, I'm headed up to uh Vermont for a workshop. Um, and and I'll be going up on Friday, but I don't think I'll be
able to cross through shoot. I think probably I'll be going through there around 3:00 or so. So, I would not be able to do that. >> Well, if you want to um, you know, come by my house instead, I
you know, I can have these at my house. >> Okay. >> Design. >> Let's, um, let's let's try that then. I've got I've got got your number and um uh as as as with any
planning of a weekend trip and parenting three children, it's never a sure thing time wise, but if it was at your house, I give you a call and and let let you know uh when I would be by. So, I think it's that's totally workable.
>> Okay. Yeah. Um I so I my work day ends at 3 in Ammerst. I have no plans for Friday. Um so I would I usually get home by like 3:20 or something like that. So just let me know and you know I can meet you kind of wherever in the Shootsbury
area that you want to do it. You but you can come by my house too would be great. >> Okay. Super. >> Okay. And then Mayor um what's today? This is we're talking about tomorrow, Bob. >> Tomorrow, Friday. Yes.
>> Okay. So, maybe I'll just print these out. I'll sign Get Bob to sign tomorrow, Mayor, and then put them in town hall in in the conservation box. And if you can get up there um
sometime the town hall's closed over the weekends, right, Matteo? It's closed. Yeah, town hall is closed on the weekends. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um so actually this weekend also may or may we can find a time you can
stop by my house and sign it too. That way we're done with them. I mean you're sick. Actually I don't want to I forgot you're sick. I don't think >> I mean I I mean I I should be testing negative by Monday. Maybe if it just
could go back to the box and then I'll sign. I mean, is there a rush that it has to be done? Okay. >> And no, I would like to get it out. I mean, Tom made these um you know, you guys saw the dates. Um it is getting to a point where we should
be getting them out back to him because um I would think he'd want to do it within a month or so. So, but yeah. No, that sounds great. I'll put it in the folders um and you can do it next week. That works.
Okay, cool. All right, let's do our last certificate of compliance. Um, let's see. 30. Perfect. This is a certificate of compliance from Karen Burns uh for deck edition and stairs
within buffer zone to Lake Wyola at 58 Lake Drive. Um, and I think Mayor did this site visit back in July. >> Yeah. And I I kind of think, didn't I think you described it to us? Uh,
>> yeah, I did. There was no everything was done. It was Yeah, it looked lovely. They everything was growing in and Yeah, look fine. >> Okay, great. I have no questions. Bob, do you have any questions? >> No, I think I think we're all set. Thank
you for doing the site visit. >> All right, great. Um, I'll take a motion to issue the certificate of compliance for 58 Lake Drive. >> So moved. >> I'll second. >> Great. All right, Fox. >> I,
>> Douglas. >> I Wilson. All right. Last on the agenda, we did have discussion of signage and um maintenance needs for Randall Road. Um when we did talk quite a bit about it already
tonight, um I feel like a management plan is is kind of what's needed and and that may fit in well with um the trail work and everything that that we have planned. Kind of do it all as one. you know, make a new map with our new
improved trail improved trails. Um, so but we should have some we should keep it on the agenda. Um I think Scott's back for our next meeting on the 25th
cuz um because there are those particular maintenance needs that were brought up like the vegetation that was it that the vegetation was sort of hanging over where the the boat ramp is or that it was invasives? I can't remember.
I I did, just to kind of fill you in, I I did at uh Mark River's request, take a look at the the vegetation in question and um >> uh and I took some photos. I'm kicking myself I don't have those handy. >> I think you sent them. I saw them. I
know. I don't know. You sent them to everybody, but I did see them. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, um you know, as is the case with any tree, it will eventually send out branches, etc. and then underneath it little trees will grow. So, so it's my opinion that as far from a
maintenance standpoint that that tree that has been there for a long period of time could stay. It's uh branches uh that have grown out, clipped and then um the the the the seedlings underneath that have grown could be uh taken out as
part of a management management management program. So that that was that that was my observations specifically for the for the the trees that were mentioned as as part of um that communication. >> And were there some other things that
Mark wanted looked at? I can't remember. Well, the the portaotti, which I know Matteo finally figured out. Thanks, Matteo. That was a big deal. And then the uh um
the um uh boat the paved area itself is is in serious disrepair which is not not as not an as easy a thing as maintenance for the for for tree trimming or something like that cuz that is is water
is work with within water uh land that's under underwater body for part of the year and um that likely would require a filing on the behalf of the commission. >> And it would require some money to,
>> you know, kind of repave it, right? They'd have to because it's cement or it's is it some kind of It's not asphalt, I think. Is it almost like cement >> that's that's kind of broken away a little bit? >> Yeah. To me, it looked like asphalt, but uh
>> but I'm operating on a six-month old memory and I don't know either. >> Yeah. So, so that would be I don't know that could be like a CPA application, you know, for money to
completely redo the the boat ramp maybe. Um, but yeah, all of that I think would would could fall under a maintenance plan. Um,
and you know, once you have the maintenance plan, you kind of have if then you're going to apply for CPA money, you have a document that shows, oh, look, we're supposed to be maintaining the boat ramp or whatever, and so we're looking for money to do
that. Um, sounds like the tree thing might need to happen sooner though than um getting a whole management plan together. But >> and the last thing that wasn't co I don't know if was I don't think it was
covered was uh >> there's a a a sign that was up regarding voting regulations that had kind of fallen apart and it needed new um you know 2x4
not 2x4s but um you know posts um because it was it just rotted and then toppled and it's been like that for a while. Um, and that has, like I said, all the signage as to what the boating
regulations are. And that's kind of towards the It's probably about maybe 100 ft from the from uh Locks Pond Road um before you head down into
um further into Randall Road. >> Yeah. I don't know if the boarding regulation stuff would be a different group. I'm not sure. That would be the concom. >> I don't know. Yeah, >> I'll have to go take a look at it. >> Yeah, Mattea, you have your hand up.
>> Do you know more about that? Yeah, I know that as part of the um the Lake Wuola boating safety uh task force uh work that they part of their um request to the select board was putting up new
signage um that had because they they changed the some of the regulations. Um, so I know that there was um um a a mockup sign that that task force brought to the select board and I don't
know what what their plan is for it. Um, but I can chase that down and find out if you'd like. >> Now, where would a group like that um I guess get the funding for a sign? Is that something the town just ends up
paying for like in the DPW budget or something or >> I don't know. They didn't uh they didn't mention it at town meeting when they presented the update and I haven't heard anything more about it. Um but I can find out. >> Okay, sounds good.
Um >> okay, maybe that's that's about as far as we get with that tonight. We should keep keep it on the agenda and talk more about it. I feel like I feel like the tree trimming is
something that like we could maybe just sort of allow to happen. Who would do that? Bob, >> you know, I I I think that uh um Mark had said there were volunteers willing
to do that. I I you know, I could certainly return to Elwack. have a meeting with them um a week from Saturday. So I could I you know if if that's if that's the commission's desire and those are the parameters that uh we could lay down then I I would be
comfortable giving it to volunteers to do. >> Yeah. Um let me think about it a little bit. I mean, I don't know. What do you guys think? I don't I guess I don't feel like an application is necessary necessary for that.
>> Um, if it is just a little tree trimming. I know it's close to the lake. Um, but it sounds like it's really just branches, right, that they're taking, not even a tree, >> right? Yeah. And you there there are
littleer seedlings underneath, but I I think it is is is a defined thing and it it to me it would be a maintenance thing and not a uh not require a fire. >> Yeah, I agree. You agree, mayor?
>> I do. >> You do? Okay. So yeah, if you want to uh relay that message to them that the commission's all right with that type work happening um and if they want to go ahead and do it, that would be great.
>> Cool. All right. Um that's all we have. No unanticipated business. So if you guys have nothing else, I would take a motion to adjurnn. >> I would like to see a motion to madam
chair. >> I second. >> Awesome. All right, Douglas. >> Hi, >> Fox. >> Hi. >> And Wilson, thanks for coming. We'll work on getting another member so that
there's more of us here. >> Yeah, >> it'll be good. get better. >> Thank you. Have a good night everybody. >> Take care everybody. >> Good night. >> Good night.