Get that started. All right. Good. I think we're set now. Well, great. Um, great to see you all again. Do you do you remember did we meet in January or February or like a long time ago? It was a long time ago. Long long time ago. Yeah. And um so
since then um we were able to work with um Jennifer to sort of establish a um scope of work for working with you on kind of educational and uh capacity
um goals. And I'm just going in I'm trying to go into share mode. Yeah. Or present mode. Um, and yeah, so um, thanks to Jennifer for
working that out with us. And what our goal is is to, um, support partnership and capacity building towards the Lake Wyola watershed base goals. We can we've put in the scope
that we can hold up to two outreach or two outreach events or education projects. So could be one outreach one one outreach event, one education project. It could be two education projects with no events or it could be two events.
um in which we are focused on building an understanding and the buyin among all Lake Wyola stakeholders including the LWA and representatives of the town and town committees. um that we to those stakeholders
communicate the findings of the watershed base plan, communicate the value of taking a whole systems approach to mitigating um damage to roads and untreated storm water reaching the lake. Those are sort
of the two main goals we have to work with. Um although I know there are some other minor goals um related to Lake Wyola. and then communicate why partnership among all Lake Wya stakeholders is necessary for substantial improvements.
Um so why does Lake Wy association need to be on the same page as the town and town committees and why do the residents need to be on the same page as um everyone else? Um,
so you know what we've brainstormed so far is that we we could obviously um put together educational material such as a slide presentation, brochures, two p like a
little um two-pager of information, um maps that illustrate um kind of how the whole system is working and where kind of sediment is
particularly um impacting the lake or um where there are lots of opportunities to trap storm water um or understand fluial um conditions, fluial erosion better
and um or we could be doing some inerson stuff. Uh the furog has a stream table. I don't know if any of you have interacted with UMass's um stream table that um their people in their like hydrarology department like Christine
Hatch has. Um so it's sort of like the size of a um what is that one where you uh there's a little ball and there's soccer people. Little soccer people that you spend. Yeah, like a foosball. A little bit
bigger than a foosball table. like a Yeah. Maybe a little bit smaller than a pool table. Soccer people. Yeah. And it gets set up um and it has it's mostly filled with sand and there are lots of little like miniaturized
um objects that represent houses and people and roads and um natural features. And it has it's a little bit caned and so it has water starting at the top and and
making a river and then um you can sort of interact with the sand and the sorry you can interact with the features and the um kind of edges of the existing channel to
manipulate the channel and see what the consequences are. So like it can show you if you build a bridge with a span too. short, too small, you know, a after a couple minutes, um you can watch that bridge blow out. So, um that's a that's
a fun option. Um we've done a field walk with you before. We would be happy to do that again. Um and yeah, mostly those are just some ideas to get us starting to think and I would we're here to hear what your ideas
are. Great. Um so actually this is where I thought the discussion part could start. Um, you know, you know, your town and what kind of all the different perspectives
are that need to be brought together and um and heard and um educated and who needs to kind of be able to hear from who and um so I I
wanted to hear your thoughts on effective communication. Some of the questions I had was um what would be the task force role in kind of bringing this message? Um how do we communicate effectively with
all the people that you want to engage? So um when we did the watershed based plan, we got a lot of feedback that um if people were renters around the lake, we hadn't necessarily done a good job of reaching out to them. So, I don't know if who you want to
um whether you want to think about like targeting certain demographics. Um and then uh we worked with Jennifer and your new town administrator on a grant application that we submitted to the
rural development fund. And I don't know like I think that did a really good job of making the case for why um there needs to be a whole systems approach to understanding storm water damage and um other sedimentation
sorry storm water impacts and other sedimentation like sources around the lake. Um, and I don't know if you you all think that that's a tool you could use somehow or like distill that that message somehow or even communicate that
um that that that have it help you communicate that um you're really trying to start with understanding the whole kind of hydraulic and hydraologic and fluial geomorphic system prior to making
investments in um like best management practices and other infrastructure. So, so you want to hear from from folks how they Yeah, I'm I imagine you have ideas. Oops. Or
I can type into this. Yeah, let me let others start. Charlene, um I I'm intrigued by that UMass stream table. Is that portable? Yeah, it is. I mean, it takes some setup. It It's sort of like a um Yeah,
it takes some setup and then the sand has to dry. So, it's but it's very portable. That's what it's we have it for. We're not setting it up at the Furco offices at the at the train station in Greenfield. we are bringing it into communities
because I can, you know, um I come from an education background and, you know, having uh students learn about this through I I think it's great if you, you know, have a problem set up and then they see the results of it. You know,
that would be such a great learning experience for them. I wonder if it's something we could tie in with the public school in in Shootsberry and um you know that would be a great beginning for our young people and if they live
around the lake even better but um it's always good to learn information even if you're not presently on a lake and certainly conditions that alter that are uh that you can actually see by making adjustments to this table are are Great.
Do you think um you know I'd like to play with stream tables as a grownup? Um what I'm wondering Charlene is beside and I think you know reaching out to the elementary school is a great idea. Do you think is there room in the association schedule
to have an activity for families for example? Oh yeah. every um I mean I can I can look at the schedule now if you want. Let me go get it and just see where there's some openings. And and Tamson, do you think if that's
kind of a short time frame to put it together between now and um really a lot of families start uh heading back toward their school lives at the middle of August, I guess, or end of August. But is that too short of a time frame to try
and put something together uh for families that live right around the lake? Um, great question. I think that we had envisioned that this that we do some of this outreach during the
summer. So, I was anticipating um it depends on how big of an event you're wanting to put on um and how many details we have to figure out before we can publicize it and then whether that feels like enough lead time to be publicizing. But it sounds like um just
logistically speaking, you would want to have something in order to catch families, you would want to have an event by mid August. Is that about right, Charlene? third week of August. The last um official Lake Wyola event on the
calendar is the 9th of August. So, anything after that is open, okay? But you want to do it as close to the 9th only because a lot of people pack up and and leave. If you're trying to get families who are still here, you the
later you wait, the the faster it'll be harder to have those families here because people go home and uh move out. Yeah. And I have a question too about is this streamtable uh activity
is for instance having a kind of a short presentation of some of your findings of you know like current conditions around storm water and sedimentation why it's something that we all should pay attention to and then follow up with the
stream table activity. Um, is there a way to pair those up so that there's an information component and kind of a play component? I think that's really smart. Um, yeah, I think a presentation would pair well with
um using the stream table. I don't know if you would want to cuz there can be a stream table demonstration, but then I would say only like maybe six people can really play with it at a time
without feeling like they're somebody else isn't like messing up their vision for the stream table, you know? So, um, if there's even something else, like I think it's often a good activity to have going while you have
other activities going like a meal or um Yeah. other stations or something. Yeah, that's neat. The that idea of stations like a kind of a storm water erosion festival. Yeah. Right. Like the beer tasting
party. Is that Tom? Is your hand up? Yeah. I thought I would jump in now. I've been um hopping around the stream table limited stuff on the UMass website. I sent everyone on this call right now an email just a minute ago with one link to give you a picture of what it looks like. I also found another
link where um the Fort River Wershed Association hosted a river cleanup um and the river smart communities was there with a hands-on interactive river processes table, the stream table. So, I think exactly what you're talking about, maybe something with multiple
activities. Um, I don't know if a cleanup I know Lake Wyola might already have a cleanup day I'm done, but um, so it's also possible to think about bringing the steam stream table to an existing like association event.
Um, if it's compatible, um, anything's compatible. Um our our uh we well the our more popular potluck dinner is coming up this weekend. So that's obviously too short of notice. Um
and then we have um an ice cream social on July 19th. Um and there are doggy cones available. Mhm. Um, we also have our second annual membership meeting. Uh, and that's where
we get a larger crowd of of people on the 9th of October. I October of August. Okay. And then also that evening is our August potluck, but that potluck
doesn't draw as many people as our first one that's coming up. So might be a good thing to have at the annual membership meeting, but I don't know people, you know, the meeting is very structured. So are you thinking people could get up and
down and because one time we ran um what was it that small business thing um right after it and it grabbed a lot of people. So this I I think that's a great idea. I
love that idea. like right afterwards something that's set up with a few activities. Maybe there's something that is around, you know, because one of the things that Furcog provided in their report was what can individual property
owners do, you know, so larger scale, here's the whole dynamics of what Furcog has found and then a table with what individual property owners might do and the stream table and just try and hit a
lot of different points and if we could do it out in the outside of the community hall there after the meeting, everybody would already be there. You'd have a set crowd already. I like I like the ice cream social time because it
probably draw more people to also to get ice cream. Well, your weakness, do you remember when or do you have the info when the um weed watch for meetup is? um they had to change it because it
w was the 9th which was um in conflict with the second meeting. So I believe they changed it to the 10th. I know they did. It's the 10th Sunday the August 10th. Yes. Uhhuh. Sorry. What was that?
There's a weed watcher um duo who does like an education uh section at the Lake Wyola. Correct me if I'm wrong. At the Lake Wyola clubhouse and I think they also go out to the lake. I think they have people go on kayaks, right? Yeah. I don't I don't
know if I thought I heard they start at the clubhouse with some sort of like I've never gone so I don't I used to be on that group on the weed watchers group and uh they had two different years not sequential years where uh mass DCR came
with samples of invasive plants and then and that was at the at the association hall but every other time we've just met you know in kayaks and used their materials and what we learned from them at these two different sessions. So,
it's mostly not at the clubhouse. I'm thinking with Joe though, I or um like the ice cream social or like the weed watch or something more of a social event tied with it might be more attractive, appealing. I don't
know. I I tend to agree with that be and I I'm leaning more toward the weed watchers because that ties in nicely with the work that we're doing. Um it's environmental. Yeah. Right. Right. So it
actually would be a you know a nice tag along for it. What's the weed watchers date? The 10th of August. Mhm. Does Lakewell Association as a group need to sign off on a selection of of
these dates? Shortly? No. No. People just come. It's very um informal. But if we were going to use the hall to set up tables. Oh, that Yeah. Yeah. But I I can do that for you. That's not a problem. And I only thing I think I I'm still
stuck on the ice cream social. You're going to draw more younger people. True. That's true. Well, I have a I have a couple questions about what the goals are of these of this event. Are you mostly hoping to to reach Lake
Association members? Um, do non-members ever come to these any of these events? They're always welcome. It's not uh prohibitive in any way. I think what we would do is similar
to uh townwise. There were a group of interested people who got very uh active in researching uh the Japanese knotweed issue in town and they presented
something to the um select board about Japanese notweed and had done a lot of research and then there were some education events some literature that was developed and passed out. I don't think they had events like this, but
certainly we would do all the outreach we could through the town. You know, there's a town uh newsletter and you know, there's a lot of things. So, as long as the association is basically letting us use their space
for this, um we could definitely get the word out to others, too. And we should, I think. Yeah. Yeah. It's striking me as we're talking that um if we hold just one event
that it would that would be great as sort of like something eye-catching really getting people's attention. Um and but we might want to have like you said a presentation at it so people sort of get a robust
understanding of um what we're talking about. And then you might want to have sort of materials available for any one in town or around the lake who has didn't make the event. Right now I'm
just thinking about and I I wasn't in town but I don't know. I think maybe Tom attended this. So there was re recently a DCR uh session on wildfires and it was all done on Zoom.
So the whole information session about the um the danger of wildf fires and what people can do to avoid setting off wildfires and all of this was um advertised through the town and you
could they had sent a little QR code that you could sign up for. So, it's possible that we could set up something that's informational on Zoom so people could watch that even if they weren't here at the lake. And then a hands-on
kind of set of activities at the association hall on any of these dates that you know gets decided is the best date. But I don't know about you all, but I would strongly put in a vote for some kind of, you know,formational session
that Furcog has the background and the materials to put on about, you know, what storm water erosion and sedimentation is occurring, why it's important, and why it's important for for,
you know, it to be worked on by multiple parties. like you say like a systemswide approach. I don't know if that's an effective format to have an informational session on Zoom and then hands-on, you know, a
day that's kind of, you know, hands-on activities, come and learn. Um, I was even thinking of what kind of incentives we might have to invite people to come and attend. You know, like could I, for example, approach the
Greenfield Farmers Co-op and get seeds for native plants that people could put in to, you know, prevent erosion or have a rain barrel raffle or two or, you know, because these are all suggestions that you've made. But I think you know
the task force is doing a good job at working with the big entities like the town and the association. And then the other component that is a participant but kind of silent at this point is property owners not only around
the lake but on Locks Pond Road and Wendell Road too because they need to be informed and brought in as well. I do think the Zoom is a good idea first personally because then um you could probably get a
lot of people. I assume the fire hazard got a lot of people. Does anybody know? I don't know. Um unfortunately I don't know what happened but there were about 12 to 15 people on Zoom and four of us in town hall. Two
hosts in town hall. So, six people in town hall, but they um announced at the beginning that they had, I believe, 40 or 50 registrants. So, something happened. I wasn't able to um I registered, but never got my link. Um so, it was something might have happened
with the tech. Uh but I do like the idea. Um we could just make sure it worked. May I add a few comments about everyone can just everyone jump in? Yeah. about uh Tamson's question about LWA and whatnot. Um, I think it could be
a real asset to use the LWA Hall and like involve them like clearly, especially because of the town meeting that just happened where like the town voted to match the money that LWA was also matching for the rural development fund grant application and therefore I
do think we might include specific references and you know materials from the RDF application. Um, I think a lot of people in town who don't have such a, you know, on ground association with the lake will appreciate knowing like where
their money is going. Um, so if we could advertise it well, I think some sort of event or day or a couple of activities. I'm sort of wondering maybe August 10th could be like a planned day, you know, and we could even add ice cream, Joe. I
think if we did it right, maybe have two days of ice cream, um, in the summer, uh, it would give enough time, I think, to get both a pre session online or hybrid out there with maybe also some
questions or pre-quests submitted or that was the only thing about a lot of webinars I go to. It's nice to get people involved unless it's really just an hour, which the fire thing was good at being. It was just an hour. Um, but they had 15 minutes of question time
which is really nice. What's going on on August 8th? Is there already something scheduled again? Is that the There's nothing on the ETH. Is that a Friday? That's a Friday. The 9th is the annual meeting, Joe. Yeah, but I've been to the annual meetings and most of the time you
go in there, it's just the husband and wife. You wouldn't get families and other people that you wouldn't get that whole environment, right? Most of the people are in there, they have issues they want to talk about and they just want their mind is in the in the LWA
versus anything else that's going on. Opinion. I hear you. Well, that's good. I hear that, too. And the ice cream social last year was very, very successful. What day is that again, please? Um, that one was on the 19th of
July and it was 6 to 8:00 at night. Plus, we invite the whole town to that. It's like you better get a lot of ice cream if you do that. Yeah. So, you can get a lot of people from different parts of the town where if
you're having a meeting for LWL, you don't want to fill it up with people and not have enough chairs. But you can the ice cream social. It's usually, isn't it? Usually outside where that little I was trying to think. We went to it a couple of times and it
seemed like it was outside. No, it's inside because they have they have different tables with different toppings and Oh, okay. So, the one maybe we And they also have the ice cream on ice. But you know what? Who said maybe Joe or someone said, you know, we could do this
on the date that we can pull all the components together and we can have ice cream. You know, it doesn't necessarily have to be linked up to the ice cream social. Right. Right. Right. We can make our own
ice cream social as part of this whole Right. Yeah. That's what I was thinking. Storm water ice cream. It seems like the main components. It ain't Rocky Road. Yeah, Rocky.
Probably saying, "What are they getting? Preoccupied with ice cream." I like ice cream. They can't do it during the beer. Really go out. Okay. Um, I want to just reflect back what I
think I'm hearing, which is that um, what that the three main components are going to be that the Furcog is involved in will probably be some kind of handout that accompanies um, uh, the stream table, the, you know,
whenever we show up with a stream table and then a webinar that can be attended by more than just the Lake While Association. Mhm. Um, I don't know if it makes sense. It might make sense for you all to,
especially since you can't make a decision yet tonight. um to maybe like I think we should keep um brainstorming and I'll keep asking you some logistical questions about it, but then maybe you all spend some time
offline or at another meeting um talking through your goals again and then making a decision about what would be best. I am I checked and I am available the 19th and the 9th and the 10th
and would you you'd have to check on the availability of the table too, right? Yeah, we don't that's a great point. I will do that. We don't use it um more than like every two months or something. So, I would be surprised if it was being used, but
and then um and we I think we only budgeted for three of these sort of planning meetings. So, just making sure if if if we do need to come back um to sort of hammer out the logistics
as a committee that we're um budgeting for only two more meetings. Okay. So, it sounds like we could get more clear on our goal for these this
educational event or events. Mhm. Um and that could be communicated to you in writing. We wouldn't have to have another meeting about that, right? Sure. Yeah. Okay. And in terms of planning
that maybe would require I might not require another meeting. If we as the task force were together on what we had wanted to do, then I can work with you um on the logistics and to the extent that we might need to touch B we would
need to touch base with the association through Charlene. Um yeah, I'm just trying to to think how much we need to bring this whole group together to do that kind of work.
Yeah. Another thing, oops, to think about is like how much you all might want to represent some of these ideas. Um, like would somebody from the committee want to speak during the
webinar? Um, or would it just be me? Um, I don't know. What do you think you all? I'm always compelled when the committees have members who talk at their presentations, even if they might repeat sometimes what
they say, but usually they're pretty good at, you know, divying it up and like a town meeting, that's always more compelling, I think, or other like concom events. Yeah. I mean, if if we were Oh, go ahead, Joe. I thought everyone, but you know, whoever wanted to, I would say I
think it's nice. Yeah, Joe. Oh, I thought he was about to say something. I didn't No, I didn't have I had my thing off. So, okay. Um, you know, if we wanted to touch on some of the highlights from the rural
development fund application, you know, that would be cool. I could definitely highlight some of those points. Um, we did you guys did a walk, you meaning Furcog did a a field walkound and and so did our task force. So we
could um articulate some of that as well as what our approach has been from the start. You know what what we were all about as a task force. You know, I could give some context that way. I'm just thinking of two things I want to say before I forget them, but Tamson
had mentioned a fieldwalk earlier, I think, on a slide or somewhere. But even like just one specific visit to one spot close to the hall might be doable on the same day just to give people a better concrete idea like on Shore Road or a
covert somewhere um of the impacts and what we do. And um I'm thinking as well, I didn't want to forget to mention it. Um we as a task force talked about the fact that we're going to have to run by the select board like what is the future of this topic um who will handle it and
how um will it be a committee or not etc. But we might find out information about that in July I'm thinking which might be helpful in the education part we're doing. Um, I know one thing we talked about is whether there might be more awareness in the town about other
erosion and storm water outside of this watershed. Um, or maybe even other things that just come up in that discussion with the select board about what will be the future of this topic. Um, and it might just tinge a little bit of how we approach
some of the webinar or workshop stuff. Sounds good, too. And I was thinking this in this webinar, one thing that I was thinking could be fun, but then I'm not sure how much fun it would actually be, but it could be, which is kind of myth busting around
sedimentation, because there are a lot of um different perceptions about what causes storm water erosion and what storm water erosion is. And I thought, well, there could be kind of a little fun true false
kind of thing in the webinar that gets at busting some of these myths and at the same time as prevent as presenting facts so that there's a little audience participation. I love that idea. Um, I've just admitted
two other members of our task force. So, um, Jim Moore is with us now and also Bob Douglas. So, good evening. Hi there. just bring you all up to date. Um Tamson and Kimberly are um winding up some of the brainstorming we were doing. We can
bring you guys up to date later, but we're talking about initiatives for uh doing some public education events. One is likely to be a a zoombased webinar which is more informationbased
on findings. Some of them would be ours, some furcogs, some about the phenomena of erosion in the first place and misconceptions that people might have about it. And the other is more hands-on stuff. There's a stream table that UMass
has that allows you to manipulate. It's the fur. We um we used to borrow masses and then we got our own. Oh, you got your own. All right. High class now. Yeah. So, so an activity where not just children but everybody can do a hands-on thing about how water runs through
watersheds and what happens as you manipulate it. Maybe there would be a field little fieldwalk associated with that, but kind of a an event around storm water. Um, so those are the things we've just been brainstorming. I'll let Tamson
continue with Oh, here's Tom. I just want to suggest we call ourselves to order. Oh, yeah. about 7:42. Okay. So, yeah, 7. Sorry for the interruption. We have a full committee here. So, I'm going to call everyone to order and we need everyone to say their names, right,
Tom? Um, we're good on Zoom. Okay. All right. So, we are officially meeting now. Okay. All right. So, back to you, Tamson. Well, um, let me why don't I think it'd be useful to run through these notes that I've
taken so far to catch Bob and Jim Jim up. Um, and then and you all meanwhile can be asked like thinking about what last discussion we would need to have before we sort of you break off and do your more of your
deliberating. Um, and one thing I will say is that the like I've said the budget is limited for this and we really we're keeping it to sort of one project and one event and I will have to sort of run whatever we
come up with whatever you come up with by Kimberly to make sure that that is doable within the budget. So, um just know that it'll um that we might have to trim some of the ideas a little bit if it feels like not
possible on our end. Can I just ask a quick clarifying question? Yeah. So, is the webinar a potential project and the stream table a potential event? I think um
yeah, I don't I think we'd have to think about just how much work we're putting into each of them and whether it's within our budget. So I see. Okay. Um to me, I'm seeing it as sort of like two events. I don't know how long it would take to create the materials that would support those events. And so, right, um,
yeah, I think the more you all can think about how you can play a role in the event ideas that we're having, um, the better. So that we, you know, if if we're speaking only like 15 minutes
of an hourong webinar instead of an hour, that would make a difference. Okay. Yeah, fair enough. Do you know how long you might be available for a live event like on the ground? Would it be like two or four or one hour? Good question. Too hard to
sign up. The stream table takes a lot of setup, so that would um we'd have to consider that. And then I think we could be around for an hour and a half or two hours, but I would have to talk to Kimberly to be sure. Okay. Just to think of planning. Yeah. Doable doable thing.
Yeah. Um, so just I said I would go sort of through some of what I um captured of our discussion prior to Jim and Bob joining. Um
the Jennifer pointed out that this task force has been working a lot with t the town. Um so now it's time to bring in property owners um as much as possible. Uh we I had mentioned the stream table
as an option. So thinking about that being kind of a play um a form of play or play being a form of education that could work for all ages. So um and if we
wanted to capture families, we would probably want to have the event by August 9th. There's a few LWA events like the ice cream social um and the weed watchers which might not be LWA but um that this could sort of be
incorporated into um we want to make sure people are understanding what kinds of erosion is occurring, how erosion happens, why it's important that we work with the wershed as a whole system.
um and kind of all the different angles to approach the work of mitigating storm water erosion and other and fluial erosion and then and other forms of non-point source pollution and I know that we talk
a lot about sediment but um there are other things too uh and then it makes sense to include some information about the your application to the rural development fund because the town recently voted to provide match
for that and and the like Wyola association also voted to do that and then um so we're thinking having a webinar and then also a separate and the timing
could be before it could be after a separate per inperson event with um handouts and the stream table and a visit to a road that is experiencing some um issues and either maybe maybe it needs a
fix or it um has been recently fixed or something that would illustrate some of the principles that we're trying to think about. So, I hope that was helpful, Bob and Jim. Very much so.
Um, I can hang on now here until 8 and we can see if there's anything else that we would make sense to brainstorm about prior to me taking off. Let me just look at this other slide I had.
Um, maybe we could talk a little bit about what kind of publicity would need to happen and then you probably have this totally covered, but how much of these ideas would we need to run by the select board or town administrator to get
um to get their approval on kind of what the plan is. Kimberly has her hand up. Hi, I it's been great listening to all
of these wonderful ideas that everyone has been sharing and I wanted to just suggest that um as you're thinking more about the ideas and and maybe like
Tamzen suggested having a meeting without us to do some more work with this. Um sometimes it helps to almost start at the end. So what is what is the ultimate
goal of this outreach? Like and trying to be as specific as possible is sometimes helpful. Like do and I'm just offering this as an example. um let's say there was another grant
application that required another match or um you know that could be the goal of the outreach. Is the is the goal to just engage folks that uh live around the lake and
live in town and have them walk away from the event with, you know, just this basic understanding of how the the system, how the lake is connected to the
landscape, how what happens on the land impacts the lake like what are those specific takeaways um that you want the attendees to bring back with them, you know, bring home with them other than a full belly
of Rocky Road ice cream, which I think is a really great idea. Um and then that will also help Tams and you know help us think about like the specific activities or you know like
what the information that's in the handout. So I I just wanted to offer that. Yeah, that sounds great. It's a good way to start or continue. along those lines. For me, it's, you
know, now very different when I drive down a road and look at um Oh, I'm sorry, Jim. I didn't see your hand was up. No, you go ahead. Finish. Um, culverts and whatnot. Um, you know, I I've learned a lot by being on this task force. So, now I can start to think about those things and I wonder like,
oh, is that in the right orientation? Is that the right size? It's like that's kind of where I am on my expertise uh to be able to even notice to ask those questions. But earlier I never even would have noticed coverts. So that's something we could give people
I mean pretty directly Jim. Yeah. Um I think to the degree that we can book to the wider community it's to our advantage so that um
that you know the the bright water um as pond whatever is you know the drains into that and so the hook there of just making people aware of the connection
there um the connection up to the other ponds as well. I I think it does make uh the whole issue of the uh of of being aware of the erosion and and the wider
scope so that it's um u hook it to the largest audience possible. So, you know, to to the rest of the town to uh um Anyway, that's enough there. Thanks,
Yeah, it's almost like a a kind of thing of did you know, you know, you live on Locks Pond Road way off the road, but did you know that what goes on right around your house is,
you know, affecting fish spawning in Lake Wyola? I mean, I'm just that's a small example and it might not be an accurate one, but you know, it's I think it's hard for all of us to know that we're part of a system because
we're in our own localized little little section of it. So, that's a systems education point. And I I was thinking I mean I I think we do need to think about takeaways and we can give you some of those. We have already kind of touched on a lot of them
tonight, but um I think for me um when I attend anything where there's an educational component, I personally like to walk away with like one or two things that I can do to make
it better. And um I think if that were to me that's where we could use Furcog's help like what what's maybe not a financially connected in any way but what's what are some of the simple
things that people can do that could really really start to begin to to make a dent into this situation because I you know I I know um you look around and you can see erosion and people know what it
is. And I uh where it actually started, that's a whole different, you know, story. But I I really do feel when I walk away from something and know, gosh, I'm going to go home and try this because I feel this is going to make a difference. Um that might be helpful.
And I I think not not in an overwhelming way. People don't like a lot, but just the the key things are really good. That's really true. been really good. Um,
and I was thinking also, you know, some of these some of the things might require some Oh, and wait, I didn't want to forget this. Tamson, you mentioned it's not only sediment, right? There are other there are other storm water challenges
besides besides sediment and that might be things that individual people can do too. you know, take away, you know, what what are some concrete actions I can take to reduce phosphorus loading and sediment or look at how do I, you know,
it's like, oh, like the first 10 people get a free consultation on their property of, you know, how does their land affect, you know, what's going on with with erosion into Lake Wyola or something like that.
Yeah, and just jump in. I think that your idea of you know the I don't know if the 10 consulting things um but just so yeah that might actually be an interesting thing to have people who could do consultation and just point out
to people where they could you know use a rain barrel where they could use um um um um what am I trying to think of here just something to slow down the drainage in their upon you know in a a wet garden
sort of, you know, one of those types of things that that give people little small things to engage with that they they again like uh Charlene saying, something that people can walk away with uh from the the meeting and think that this is something they could do.
So if so we so we have one takeaway which is understanding watersheds and how they work. Another takeaway is what can individuals do to make the situation better? What else?
Maybe uh I'm just thinking out out of um out loud here. uh like maybe some ideas they could uh for a homeowner to go home and sort of survey their property and say, you know, uh can you look at
something like this and see if you have any of the any sightings of this on your property because ah yeah what to look for on your own self analysis of your personal property. Yeah, like kind of a checklist of Yeah,
like a checklist of look to see if these things are happening right in your yard. Then that would, you know, give you a good idea. I mean, I'm thinking today I was up at our farmhouse and I went over by the water hose and uh there's
definitely erosion between the sidewalk and and this the uh lawn cuz I put my foot in. and I thought I was going to break my ankle, but um never even saw it because of the grass. So now I know that I won't be walking over there for a
while. But um you know, it's things like like what can you really look for on your own property? And I think you know I I know this is more than specific, but um you know people who are on a hillside area are going to have different things
to look at than like we're where our house is. it's very flat. Um, so I don't know if that would be important in something like that as a checklist because it it your conditions are different,
but I know I would appreciate something like that. Like I can go home and check this and see if I'm I've got potential for problems. I mean, I don't know if this is a takeaway, but it seems like one goal,
one goal is is to bring together people who might like say the people who live in the homes on Locks Pond Road, which are high up off the road, even not to mention way up the hill, you
know, to bring bring people together around, you We're all sharing the same impacts. They might be have micro differences depending if you live on a flat piece of land right next to the lake or you're up on a hill on Locks
Pond or Wendell Road, but we all are we all are um neighbors in in that way of being united around being part of this drainage system. So, I don't know if at takeaway maybe it's more of a goal of creating
community um around storm water communities, not not just, you know, recreational communities or something like that. I don't mean to narrow it too much, but No, Jen, I think that's a great idea. I had was thinking a similar thing of the
neighborhood of you know that of individual property owners thinking about how to address property is not the same thing as having three or four property owners that are neighbors that everybody can get together and say oh yeah that's a problem we all have and
share and how can we as a group so that kind of throwing it into more of at least the takeaway is of of maybe giving people the opportunity to organize is kind of neighborhoods around this issue, right?
You said it a lot better than I did. So, that might be a goal and a takeaway could be, you know, items that are planned for these educational events or projects that help to bring that goal
into action steps or something. I was thinking with, you know, we already our own history, but of, you know, the the micro drainages that we've identified as being areas to think about the water moving from here
to there down the hill of um probably neighbors know about those micro drainages, but maybe haven't thought about working together on how to address that issue. So that that taking that idea and running with right and and I
think there's awareness raising around actions that individual individuals are taking that solve their problem but maybe create a problem somewhere else. you know, so if people were working together in
in drainage communities, let's say, um then they might see, oh, this thing that I'm doing here, it works where I'm on on keeping my yard safe, but look what it's doing further down the way. Something like that.
I I think once we get a a plan from engineering and have some sort of a real design work, that's where everybody's going to start coming together cuz if somebody does something now, it's going to, like you said, it's going to affect somebody else down the way and it may
not be the right thing, right? Yeah. I wanted to say um I so hope you get this rural development fund grant. must be so great because there's so I think there's so much opportunity there to actually um
get specific about how the water is to for people to see specifically how the water is moving and who their drainage neighbors are and um yeah I think that might be too granular for what we're doing although we can
sort of say like you know eventually we want you to understand um that you are in a drainage community and that what people do upstream impacts what people do what happens downstream and stuff like that. Um it's 8:00 so I think I'm going to
dismiss myself unless um there's anything else I can be helpful with. Did you ever do events like these for like the Buckland project or anything else or? Yeah, if Kimberly's still on, she knows more about um some of those
like the details of the in-person events than I did. There was a lot of um maybe I'll ask you later about that. But yeah, it was a bigger, you know, it's a big watershed with a lot of big land owners and so there were a lot of site visits associated with that project. um like between with the fluial morphologist and
a furco person or the Buckland um kind of climate uh point person going and having walking around properties with land owners and talking about what's happening. Oh, for the education part. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
So, it sounds like what let's wrap up this part and I think that what I need to get to you and we need to get to you is a little bit more concise about what our goals might be. And a subset of that is
you know what are the takeaways that we would like people to to have and also some clarity around dates and and I think that's all that we would get to you and and we would be looking for
are is your budget going to be able to accommodate uh a hands-on kind of event day um as well as a webinar um because that seem two things that each of us are going to get get for each
other. Yeah. And I think um I think having a handout will be really important of some kind and um maybe that's and I think if we have already made a presentation and we have the the RDF grant application, we already have a lot
of the language and we would just need to kind of reformat it for um the handout. Right. Okay. Um, and again, one of the goals is capacity building around, you know, being able to
have these conversations. So, the more you all can do, the the more you all can strive to, you know, contribute, the more capacity we've built, I think. Oh, definitely. And, you know, I think that if we have an event or anything, it
could be co-sponsored or have triple sponsors. you know, the town for Cog Lake Association, the highway department can be involved in certain ways, you know, and let it let it be that um that coming together that we envisioned in
the first place. It's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, thank you both. Yeah. Kimberly, do you have any last comments or thoughts? Um, one I was just thinking, um,
it may be another activity to consider if we end up doing kind of the station approach that we talked about at the beginning of the meeting is um something that grounds
people and connects them back to Lake Wyola. Like, you know, what do you love about it? What is special about it? Share a, you know, a fond memory or a funny story. like just
reinforcing people's connection to the lake and helping them remember, you know, like why it's why it's special to them, I think fosters
that um the stewardship and the involvement that is really necessary kind of to sustain the types of effort and and work that you're hoping to do. Okay, great.
And the ice cream. And the ice cream. The Rocky Road ice cream. Let's not forget that. And Tamson, do you think would it be possible the all of these different various notes that you've taken from our meeting, could we end up getting a copy of those? Yeah, I'll
email them to you. Perfect. That's perfect. Thank you. Thank you both. To be continued. Thank you. It's nice to see everyone. Good night. All right. I'm stopping sharing. And I'm Okay, here we are leaving. Bye.
Okay. Bye. Okay. Bye. All right, everybody. Hi there. Part two. That was pretty good, right? Yeah, duper. Yeah. Um, all right. This is now officially open
meeting with a quorum. And, uh, I guess before we move on to reviewing the minutes, if we have all had a chance to look at them, is there feedback we want to give each other about that? I
mean, uh, I kind of tried to summarize what what we owed to them. So, we owe to them something about our goals. Takeaways. That was really good. Charlene, what you were saying about how you like to have some things to take
away. Um, if we're going to use the association hall or property, what dates are available to us and how how we might like to work that? Um, are those things that you think we we need to have another meeting on or or maybe put that toward the end of this
meeting, see how quickly we move through the agenda and maybe make some decisions about that. What do you think? I think we should make some decisions because you do have to get back to her. Yeah. I mean, I just had a little idea.
Um, and I remember how much fun it was. Um, and I'll just use what the example of what uh we did in Irving at uh one night for families and it was a family night event and it was all about dogs.
Everybody loves their dogs and we invited a local veterinarian. We invited a dog groomer, uh a dog trainer, um you know, different uh different types of foods that dogs. Anyway, we had stations all out on the playground and
we didn't rotate. We didn't make it so controlled. We just said, "Here are the stations. You're welcome to go to any of the the ones you'd like." And then um because we offer businesses to come, we said that they could hand out brochures to obviously advertise their business.
I'm wondering if we could do something like that. Like if we know somebody who makes, you know, sells rain gardens or develops them or, you know, different types of businesses out there that people might be interested in finding out about and then have a brochure and
then, you know, you've helped their business in a way, but you've also educated people to know, you know, did you know this exists and it's something we you might want to try on your property. But um it was it was a fun and we got a lot of participation and the
participants wanted to do, you know, wanted to do it again because they said the the kids were invested and and you could bring your dog and you know, things like that. But this was um it was set up very organized but very informal
all night. So, and it went for about an hour and it was very effective. So, just something to think about. No, I think that kind of thing sounds really fun. how how we could pull it together in a short I know even if it was August 9th but you know what it doesn't have to
just be for this year either you know we could do a miniature ver even like the stream table and some kind of table about what individual property owners can do or you know some kind of raffle about a consultation
uh that someone would be able to get a you know I know that well I was going to mention this Furcog did a program last year on pollinators and everyone who came to the program got a certificate to go to this native plant
person in cold rain and everyone got two or three native plants that attracted pollinators, you know. So, so that was an just another little component that there there is some reason for you to go something free. Is that what I hear?
Yeah. Right. Something free but useful. free and a useful. Yeah. But anyway, so if it's okay, let's um make sure we get through this other business, too. Yeah. And we can at least come up with uh the goals and takeaway part.
Um all right. So, does has everyone enough of us reviewed the minutes that we can um comment to Tom or to each other about about the minutes? I I make a motion we accept the minutes
of what was the I forget the date. May 29th. May 29th. I have two corrections to the minutes before we uh second that motion. Uh one is uh on item number three
in the second paragraph. Uh it was Tamson Flanders of Furcog that made the map. Oh, pardon me. And I believe that that's repeated in the last paragraph. Yeah. On number three as well.
How about if I just for the second mention change it from with the composite map made by Wallace just to with the composite map. Perfect. Okay. But I changed your name to her name earlier. Yeah. And and do that in both paragraphs. Other than that, I would um
second Charlene's motion. So, let's have a vote on that. Charlene Golinsky, yes. Wallace, I more. Moore, yes. Bob, hi.
Joe, I Okay. And I Oh, yeah. Thank you, Tom. Okay. So the next thing here are so I was contacted by the assistant to the town administrator about reappointments.
all the town committees come up for reappointment around this time and I had said that I wasn't in any position to talk about individual members wish to be reappointed because we hadn't met and
also that our charge doesn't end until November technically because we had 18 months from when the approval date was. So we don't really need to provide them right now. Uh, however, I thought and I told Brennan, the assistant town
administer, that I'd do a kind of a temperature taking of who in our group might be interested in continuing to work on storm water issues in whatever configuration it happens to take and we
don't we do not know that yet because that would be a something that the select board would weigh in on in and it's included in some of our recommendations that you've already read in the draft, but um do people have a sense of I've had enough. I'm out of
here. I have too many commitments or people want to stay associated with some form of work that this task force or some iteration of it might do. Let me just try to get a kind of a headcount there.
I'm in it for the long haul. So, I'm just going to say Wallace is in. Bob, I I'm in it as long as Wallace is. Okay. Okay. I'll throw in with you, too. All right. Are you on the island, Joe? I
want to see how the grant goes. I think that that's my decision. We don't We're not going to get the grant. We really can't do a lot to We can We can keep going around in circles, but it doesn't solve our main problem, right? I want to see how that I want to see how that how
that works out. Yeah, there are other grants, but that's that's fair. Now, we're supposedly we're supposed to hear in October and our um I I will have to check with procedures with the town if if the select board decides earlier than that.
And that might not even be until August or September of what kind of configuration is going to make sense. And they won't decide independently. They're going to take our council on it as they have all along. But it may be that some reappoints or
some different appointments take place prior to learning about the grant, Joe. But I'm just going to note that you're going to reserve until you hear about the grant. Right. Okay. Tom, I'm in it.
We're doing it. I'll stay. Okay, Charlene. Well, my only my problem is they've actually started to begin work on redoing our farmhouse, which is going to involve a lot of us being there and
putting our input in. And um if I can't comment, I will definitely bring it up at the Lake Wyola Association. So, there will be somebody um there. I I it won't be left un um occupied, but I just I
don't want to commit. I I sort of feel like Joe, we don't know where we're at yet until that report, which is, you know, it sounds like we're going to get it, but um it'll it'll have the specifics. I think some of us are waiting to see and then you can start to
put things together, but um I just don't know my time that's going to be available because of this one. That's fair. As if I'll say two things about about it. one, it's always going to be great and necessary to have an LWA rep
representative. So, whatever that looks like. And two, if we don't get that grant, we've got some work to do because we need to find another source of funding for these engineering studies. I think we're committed to their necessity. So,
so if we don't get the grant, that would be a setback, but we would have to start to look into some of these other funding sources, and that's probably the work that would occupy a lot of our time. But, and I did you say October was when we're going to hear?
Okay. Yeah. Unless something changes, but that's okay. Well, that that's good. And that gives me enough that I can give them that feedback. Okay. That is $35. All right. So,
so we There is Is there a radio or a TV on in the background? You know what? I'll move in the other room. My husband came home and I I'm pretty sure it must be my TV that's affecting those bad husbands. No, no, no, no. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. We're We're a one television house. You know how kids have
them in their bedrooms? I do know that. Yeah. Not us. We are a one television house. Good for you. I can relate. Yeah. Okay. So, um, so we have a written report that's due to the select board. In my meeting with
them, they also said that they thought it would be great to have a presentation in addition to the report. So, the time frame on this is looking like hopefully we'll be able to vote on and
approve the draft that I've circulated to everybody. Uh once we do that, if we do that tonight, that would be ideal. Then it will get circulated to I mean that is basically our report, right? but
it's incomplete until we get some input from concomwac the lake association and the highway department. So once we agree on a report it gets
circulated to those four agencies that was all part of our charge and then they'll work their process. Uh, I know the association only meets once a month and I think I understand it right Charlene, the association won't
meet again until like mid July. Right. Right. So, we might get their um comments on the report in mid July. Concom, I don't know how quickly they would respond. The highway department's usually pretty fast and and so would
Eloc most likely be pretty fast. But it doesn't look like we'd have a report with comments until the end of July. So, we'd be looking at a submission to the select board around then hopefully
with a presentation sometime in August. That's the way that's the time frame that I kind of am working with in my mind unless something changes. Uh any comment? Oh, and there's one more component to that, but any comment on
that as far as timing goes? Just my question. The select board's okay with that because initially it was June that Right. I think they're when I talked to them, they understood one of them is on vacation, the other one's recovering from heart surgery. you know,
it's, you know, when when we have our things ready and we feel comfortable with it, we'll transmit it. And our charge technically doesn't end till November in any case. So, I think they'll I think they're fine.
Okay. So, so before we get into your specific comments or questions about the draft and the attachments that go with the draft, uh there is an outstanding question which is we receive comments
andor questions from these four agencies. I'll call them agencies. And and I think we need to to have an agreement among ourselves of how we're going to handle those. In other words, we've made our
recommendations and we're sending this out for comment. Are we sending it out because we're going to incorporate those comments and change our recommendations or refine them? Are we sending it out and
including those exact comments as part of our report, which is different than incorporating them into our recommendations, but it's saying we've circulated the report and these are the comments from the other
community stakeholders or some other avenue, some other method of connecting to and relating to this feedback that we'll get if we even get We might not get feedback. I don't know.
But I wanted to get some thoughts from you about how you thought we should address that, Bob. Yeah. So, I thank you for that, Jennifer. Um I I think um we uh we would have our report and uh have
have it kind of stand alone and then uh uh comments would come in say from the concom or those other other groups and that would be like the second chapter and it would all be be kind of bound together uh so that somebody would be able to get um uh everybody's feedback
from each of the boards uh following our our presentation. I think um I I do think it would be great to have everybody agree and sing kubaya together, but I think that would just take a lot of time to have uh
you know their comments come in, we respond to that we and to to re redo our report. That's just my thoughts. Okay. So just so I'm clear, I think how how I pictured is that our report has a number of different attachments which
you have. If all of the committee rep not committee reports but agent I'll call them agency reports come in they get bound together as another attachment you know com a title being comments from other community organizations but
they're all in one in one batch. That that sounds like exactly what I was trying to say. Yes. Okay. So, we have I think Tom and then Jim. Um, yeah, I think I would like to acknowledge all comments we get, but it could be unwieldy to address each one
specifically and make a committee decision about whether we do or don't agree with it and want to include it as just an extraneous or an extra comment from another party. Um, so it might be better just to make our statement and then include those and if there's agreement or overlap, that's great. But
we don't have to like make that a process for us to go through. Um, right. And the way that I imagine is that the comments that we will receive are instructive to us and to the select board regarding
next steps. Yeah. And so I guess I would add to that there's nothing preventing us as well from should we recognize a good new comment to incorporate it somehow. Um you know I just don't think we're obliged to go through like line by line of what the comments might be
should they by chance be large. I also just wanted to ask whether there's any anticipation of a public comment period or um I don't know if it's required of our sort of task force and how we're going to make the recommendations in the
end but just wanted to suggest it might be a route we take for one session. I don't know. You might have talked about it already. I can't remember. No, but what I imagine is that when we give our presentation to the select board, like I
said, it probably would be in August. That'll be a public meeting. Oh, that's true. We can put the word out to everybody as much as we can. Um certainly the other agencies would know that we're giving our presentation to the select board on that date. They
could comment directly to the select board if they wish. You know, we all the public would know about it. Not just I mean we would advertise that it's on the calendar for example. Yeah, that would be a good way to accomplish what I'm thinking about. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, good. Um Jim
can't hear you. You're muted. Okay. um trying to save you all the dog barks that happen otherwise that um I agree with Bob that that I think we can acknowledge them and use them as
attachments and supplements and Tom's comment that of course if it's a really great idea let's steal it and use it for ourselves that um but I do think that just including them as as comments that are open to other people is the way
would I don't think we'd have it'd be really hard to address those four different groups as their comments are probably to come from several different directions. So, put them up there, let it be known that we're doing that and um
steal all the good ideas they have. Okay. All right. So, are we in general agreement then everybody? I don't know if we need to vote on it, but it sounds like let's put it this way. Is there anyone who disagrees with that approach?
Well, I'm torn um because I feel um we're trying to make this a collaborative effort of all the stakeholders um but the final draft will come from us
with an attachment showing you know uh remarks from the the stakeholders but not necessarily included in the final report. Um, does do people feel we're going to get a lot of feedback? Is that why it might not be
able to it might not be possible to try to make it a collaborative report or see I don't feel we're going to get that much feedback personally, but maybe we will. Let me just clarify. attachments are part of the final
report, but like I I'm I'm just trying to think of something that um for instance, if there's something that's uh mentioned about the Lake Wyola association and then at at the discussion at a me uh
association meeting, it's not a doable thing. Um then that would be shown in the report. But then what happens with the initial suggestion, you know, well, I have an idea about how to approach that maybe. And I know Tom, you had your hand. That's where I would, right? If we get
comments, let's say that we get comments from any of the agencies that are directed toward one of our recommendations. Okay. How about if if in the report at the point where it gives a
recommendation, we could say see attachment 10 comment from Lake While Association and they can go to that attachment and review that response from LWA to that recommendation. In other words, we don't
necessarily change our recommendation because of all the process stuff that would that would cause a lot of delays, but we acknowledge in the report that there is uh important information in that attachment that the select board
should look at. Oh, that that would work. Yeah, I think that would be a direct way to link the recommendation to a comment about the recommendation and just not have it be buried in an attachment.
Okay. Like a footnote almost, Tom. Yeah, I think I'll repeat what you're saying just with the phrase cross referencing. Like I was imagining a very well cross-referenced report, right? And really alert the reader that, you know, this is not necessarily the full discussion of this point. That said,
thinking about what Charlene just talked about with maybe there won't be excessive input. Um, I'm not opposed if time allows it to try to uh, you know, especially if some of the input seems of a nature that it should be addressed. Like maybe something will come up. I
don't know. But I'm totally for if we have the time and, you know, the capacity because I think you could be right. There might not be a lot of specific responses or whatnot. So, I'm willing to see how it goes that way and um if you know we can maybe we could be
more comprehensive but at the very least a lot of cross referencing should be okay. So, so if we're going to go that route then I think we have to be in agreement
that we're prepared to continue meeting. I think I was trying to save us from meeting thinking that if we if we sign off on our report if we sign off on the report tonight and then it goes out to
the various agencies for comment and we're cross-referencing their comments with the report then there really isn't a need for us to meet again necessarily prior to this presentation. I mean, we'd have to sort of plan out the presentation, but that could be done
via email, too. Whereas, if we're going to weigh in how to incorporate or possibly change our recommendation, which we've already voted on, we're going to need to have a meeting about that. I see. Now, we could just put off the whole
thing and see what we get back, too, you know, and that's fair. Probably a good idea. Maybe we ought to do that. Just, you know, approve this draft. It has to be approved to send it out to these groups anyway. But if we get substantial
um feedback that we feel really we have to meet and and revise our report based on that, we could we could do that and we would um theoretically in that case scenario be in a position to approve it at at a meeting near the end
of July of this task force. Well, we're going to Yeah. Yes. Well, let's see. Yes. Um yes, if those agencies got back to us in time, I mean, or we could suggest a deadline to them. I think we'd have to suggest a deadline and it would be based on Lake Wy association's deadline because theirs is well elac 2.
I think they usually meet the third Saturday of a month and whatnot. So, oh that's right. They're just meeting monthly, too. So, might not be able to get to it, I'm thinking. Right. Expeditiously. So, I would set I think what what is your date, Charlene, again? The 14th. Um I've got to go look. I'll
be right back. Mhm. We could just set up a meeting that we would cancel if it's not necessary and that way we'd be on the calendar um and it's all set and we can do it if
we need to. And yeah, that's what we should do. I'm just thinking what what would that and again incorporate good ideas would this would give us a chance to do that. Uh, right. It's the 24th, Jen. You guys are meeting on the
24th. So, if that's true, that's a Thursday. Like ours are on Thursday. So, we would set up a meeting for ourselves on the 31st. I'd probably give the other groups uh also the 24th as a deadline. That
would allow ELWAC to have its meeting. We would meet on the 31st to uh review these comments and make decisions about how how we want them to go into our report.
Is that fair? Yeah. Okay. So, that'll still keep us on a good trajectory, right? Or Yeah. Yeah. I think it still will because then I can get it to the select board almost im as soon as we vote. Mhm. I mean, unless
we're making substantial changes to our recommendations. Okay, good. So, I'm reading it as we could Are we in a position if somebody wanted to make a motion to approve the package you sent out um for distribution to the other agencies or Well, not just
yet because there's a Q&A about that, but I think we're in a position to set our next meeting date. So, we'll jump the agenda a little bit and say our next meeting date will be set for the 31st of July
unless it's canled. Unless what's canled, Jen? We might cancel that meeting if we don't get anything of substance back from anybody. Yep. Okay. So, now um comments on
Jed, what time would that meeting be? I guess it would be at 7, unless you all want to change the time. That sounds fine. Okay. All right. So, now comments on the draft report andor its attachments.
I had some things on the storm water erosion task force findings and recommendations from the Oh no, I got to see I did this so long ago I can't remember. Um the 2024 Furcog Lake Wyola
wershed base plan. Um because that's going to be one of our attachments. Correct. Yeah. you're talking about you're in like paragraph one two the third paragraph of the first page task force working goals um
I don't or very or the very first page the one the statement that that's jumping out at me there's a little box in front of it and it says lack of road maintenance and impacts from snow plowing and
um that's That's a strong statement because um the roads are maintained and to say there's a lack of that I don't know that's unsettling to me because you know they're Lake Wyola roads and um I
know people do take time to do things and work on them. So the the term lack of road maintenance sounds so negative. I I just felt it needed to be rewarded. So it's not our language. It's furogs. It's directly from the report, right?
And the report was approved by the report was approved by DP. Okay? So, we can't change that then. So, I can't do that in good conscience. Um, okay. I could point out that when you all make your comments,
you can point that out. Lake Association can point that out and it could get cross referenced in this report. We'll note it. It says both in the report and what you wrote that these are possible causes. So, right, it does it isn't a
declaration that there is a lack of road maintenance. Right. Okay. It's just I don't know like I said it came across negative to me. Yeah. It is though it is in their report. Yeah. And whenever you say lack, you know, but I can't I I can't nor none of us can do
anything to change that because that's from directly from their report. Um and then on the task force recommendations um there's on number four create a
coordinated and that's a town and Lake Wyola storm storm water management maintenance mechanism either through an existing committee like Elwack or a new body. I wasn't sure what that new body was.
This is number five, right? Um, I have it as number four. Should be number four in mind. Huh? I have number four, operation and management plan. That's weird. Okay, I know which one
you're referring to. Um so we talked we talked as a committee about what what happens you know where does where does this work that we've started
reside once our task force is completed that was the new body you were talking about correct okay so we're recommending to the select board that such a mechanism get created
because other than the task force there is no mechanism like that right and that would be set up by the select board then Jen is that I believe so they would be the only ones that would have the authority to do that you know or and
we're going to talk to them about it I mean they may say such it doesn't we got too many committees in town already that there should be a storm water erosion um
person on Elwack for example or there should be a group that's housed within some other town agency or we're going to create a new committee you know but what we're saying is that we recognize through our work that there's a need for
an ongoing institutional body that can coordinate and um and do the same systemsbased approach. Okay. The the only thing I see with that
line is that if the lake association doesn't get enough membership one year and the funding is in there, how does they make that be applied? Well, I mean what we're talking about is
not doing anything except for I mean there's no we're not saying that work is necessary or funding is necessary. We're saying that like Charlene has been the representative from the association in our group.
So a Lake Wyola representative along with these other groups would have a representative somehow so that the work on storm water erosion continues to be a coordinated effort involving multiple groups. I don't know that
funding is involved shouldn't need funding just needs a person who can come to meetings and have an interest right and can give feedback back to you know their individual motherships or however you want to
did I answer your question Joe just thinking as far as because what Charlene was talking about with the roads and being not taken care of enough a lot of that cuz I was on roads committee at one time deals with how much funding that particular year was
given towards the roads to fix them. Right? So let's not misunderstand this. So and maybe it needs to be rephrased. So what this item is saying is create a coordinated management maintenance mechanism. Maybe
mechanism is the wrong word. either through an existing committee or a new body that would be responsible to be a liaison between town and LWA and to coordinate with Concom and LWA and to provide
information and assistance to the engineering firms to review annual projects and to follow up on implementation. I mean, it's basically saying dissolve the task force if you have to,
but create its twin. It's a planning it's a it's a it's a planning body. It's not a a implementation body. I guess what I was looking at is like our finished product is to get something done. And and you're going to say, let's do
this. And I guess that's a I'm looking at it in a different different way. No, I understand Joe's comments there that um I think it somehow needs to foreground the idea that this is the town
that's doing this and because there's really no way to make the lake association do anything on, you know, out through the town in terms of putting any obligations on that. what we want to do is continue the coordination. But
that's what this Tell help me rephrase this because that's all this is saying. Yeah. I you know that's what I think part of the misunderstanding is about. Let's make this give me a sentence or two or cut this down or you know genders
like what we're recommending to the select board is that they create a a townbased group that incorporates these different stakeholders. Everybody has a place at the table.
the town continues to coordinate activities with blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. I might or storm water, you know, issues with blah blah blah blah blah blah. So, okay. So, it' be something like create a storm water
management mechanism that brings together these bodies. I'd call it a process rather a mechanism. Good Charlie. because I I just know our our task
force, we can only make recommendations, but if they establish a committee, a standing committee, they're going to have different responsibilities than we could have had. Do you know what I mean? Because that I know that that happens in
in towns where an ad hoc committee, you you you can't go in and say, "Look, we want you to do this, this, and this." you just say these are what we're recommending. But a standing committee, you know, can actually make a presentation that this is what they'd like to do and then of course you have
to go through the approval process, especially financial. So it sounds like this would be more than what our committee is if I'm reading this correctly. Let's start with this. Hang on, Tom.
So So let's see whether we're in agreement. with the second half of this that says there needs to be something that provides information and assistance to the engineering firms that are conducting these studies. You know, we
know what's going on around the lake. The highway department knows. So, someone's going to be an on the ground contact for them. some organiza some some committee if we want to call it that wants to research additional funding sources because we're
going to need more funding if we get the in if we get the engineering study completed we got to raise money to implement these things there's review of annual projects that are proposed under this operation and management plan which we've already
recommendations recommended so some groups got to do that and someone some group is following up on implementation. So the tasks that this committee if it's a committee is going to engage in are
outlined here unless we are in agreement with those tasks or or want different tasks. We could say, "Do you think I could ask, do you think that these things that are
at the end of this paragraph are necessary steps to continue our work?" You would ask the select for that, Jen. I ask us that. Oh, us. Okay. I Yes, Tom. Um, I think I'm answering
your question by suggesting we might want to start this part of the document. This is number four. It is number four. Yeah, I had it as number five, but I don't know what you have. Okay. It says number four on mine. Creative coordinated. Okay. So I'm wondering if
we might just introduce it with something to the effect of in order to ensure the success of um you know work begun and we can find a better phrase and upon the eventual suns setting or possible
sunsetting of this task force we recommend to continue. Um, I liked Jim's word about continuing. Um, and we can keep it as creator not, but I just think some sort of introduction why we're putting this part like we recognize that
um, our committee might not exa exist forever and that the um, the work will. So therefore, we recommend that a mechanism or a process be created to continue the management and maintenance.
But I just think it's it just needs a little intro as I'm thinking to help. I think that's good. And we work in process. We work in creating a process and we work in you know I think it's important to work in that the process should
uh in coordinate and involve these other stakeholders or other agencies that have a a role to play or a I just noticed that in the document we never come out and say we recognize that this task force may not last you know with the
people who it is now but we know that just because that's its charge. Right. But I think that saying that out loud explicitly for this number four part will really just hammer it home for the reader like, "Oh, right. This is because they recognize there's a future
that might not be them per se." Okay, I can um I can sign on to that. How do other people feel about that? I like that better. I do too. Okay, everybody. All right. Thanks, Tom. Sure.
Yeah. Thanks. So, what do you all have for number four? We have five of them al together. Do you have five in this part or do you have I do, but I might have somehow. Well, oh, it goes one. One, two, three, four, five. Maybe yours doesn't do that. Mine
goes I have two number ones. That must be it. I have a one, two, three, four, five, six. Yes. So, does that help? My version for some reason has one. one four five I just noticed that now I'm
sorry about that. Okay, I thought Jennifer you just thought they were it was that important that each one was Can I quickly say about um what is either number the one before the one we're talking Wait, no, let me try to reorder them because we're going to vote on this. Okay, so well there's just a word
we have to change from zoning board to planning board, right? We'll do that in one second. Okay. All right, so one I'll just say the first couple of words. One should be obtain estimates from engineering firms. Two should be Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
That's not what I'm seeing. Are people looking at the same document I am? Tom, does yours say the task force has endorsed? Yes, that's what my number one says. Wait a second. I think you might be on a
different page than you. How did this happen? I'm confused. I have a title here that says task force recommendations. Those in italics have been implemented already. Correct. That's the section I'm working on. Right. And that was number
four that we talked about. Right. But just what do you have for number one? The task force has endorsed Furkog's recommendation to begin a systems approach to addressing issues.
Begin by conducting. It's a long sentence. Shall I read it off? No, I'll have to I'll find it somehow. That got dropped. But you said we obtained because then it the italic size part starts with we obtained estimates. Yeah, I think I think that I that's where the number the double number ones came from.
All right, I can fix that. All right, number two then. You have a number two. Coordinate uh continue to research alternative funding. It says continue to locate alternative funding on ours. That is so weird.
Well, I don't I'm going to have to fix all this before we can really vote on it, I guess. How about this? I'm just really trying to save us some time. Let me see if I can share my document. Um,
okay. Can you all see that? Yeah. All right. I see here. So, you have and I have the same one. So, this is number one. task force has endorsed. This is what you have, right? Mhm. Yes.
Okay. This should be number two. Uh, continue to locate alternative funding. I like the word research. Research. Yeah. Okay. This is number three.
Oops. Plan and conduct periodic public education sessions. You all have that? Yes. Sorry, I'm just jumping between windows here. Numbers.
You're going to send us this anyway, Jen. Right. plan and conduct periodic public education session. Right. I was hoping that we could vote on it. Right. Right. But once we vote on Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Okay. Here's four.
How that got to be one, I have no idea. Develop a coordinated town and lake water association operation and management plan. And then the last part of that one, uh, can you please change zoning board to planning board? Okay. Yep.
Okay. Whoops. And then there's number five, which we just talked about. And that's going to change. And I might have to uh to Tom, you want to give me that intro
again real fast? Can Do you guys have time? Can I put this in here and then we can vote on it? Yep. Okay. Um perhaps in the event of the eventual You said in order to insure. Oh, right. Well, yeah. I didn't know how to finish the in order to ensure part, but in order to with an
E for insure, right? Yes. Yeah. Be careful. You uh you you forced yourself into a sentence there. Um and I I would suggest spelling insure with an E, not with an I. Right. Okay.
Um in order to ensure work done by the task force and in light of its um expected dissolution in the future. It's just an extra C and expected um it is recommended to create
and then I think the rest kind of I was again I was you know and then we decided process was better than correct. Yeah. Um process I'll just say can I say for continuing
our work can you hit control Z for a second I'm curious what you cut out because that might have helped with some of the phrase or can you like undo what you just chopped out for a second I thought it was going to be is
recommended to create a coordinated storm water management and maintenance process either through an existing committee or a new body like and just the word a after create before
the underlining begins a coordinated storm water. Okay. So, let me read this out loud and see if we're happy with this as a revision. In order to ensure work begun by the
task force and in light of its expected dissolution in the future, it is recommended to create a coordinated storm water management maintenance process either through an existing committee or a new body. Such a mechanism would have the
responsibility to A be the liaison between the town and LWA representatives, b to coordinate with concom and ELWAC, C to provide information and assistance to the firms conducting engineering
studies. D to research additional funding sources. E to help develop and review annual projects proposed under the operation and management plan and to follow up on implementation.
F develop water quality testing plan and other followup and on Furco's recommendation C attachment 8. Is that agreeable? Yep. I would just put a capital T on town because it's our town, right?
Then under um E where it says and to follow up on implementation, I would take the hyphen out of followup that goes here too. No, that one I would keep because that's a noun because you're going to develop follow.
How about this one? This is a verb, correct? That would be no hyphen for six. Okay. Okay. Good. Yay. I'm glad we worked that out. And Sheriff Furcog. Oh. Follow up
with highway department and LWA on implementation of Furcog's recommended short-term maintenance projects. That's attachment nine. So, and here's a list of all the attachments.
We will have an attachment 10 most likely which will be the comments from the various other committees and those as we've agreed will be cross referenced within the recommendations if
appropriate. And Jen, where is the shortterm man maintenance and management recommendations? Is that on another document? It's an attachment, but I can show it to you here. I had some questions on that. Okay, hang on a
minute. I'm I feel like I'm I'm offering things. Does anybody else have things? I don't want to monopolize. Go for it. I agree. Okay. Here's the short-term maintenance and management Rex that we developed a couple of
meetings ago. All right. Um, now those are the ones. Oh, wait a minute. Mine look. If they look different, it may be that for readability for this draft, I grouped all the highway department Rex
in one place and the association wreck somewhere else. Oh, so they're not in the order that they're in a different order. Here's where Lake Whale associations begin. Number seven. All right. that that's that's what I have in front of me. All right. So, starting with number seven, right? Um
when we had talked before, the Lake Wyola Association had given different language um that we had voted on at the meeting and that wasn't included here. It was the what I have from my notes is the LWA
will evaluate the Great Pines water bars to assess future recommendations. That's all we put in for that one rather than the specifics of meeting with the highway department and which they'll do anyway. But except for
when I met with the board the other day, you know, last time, whenever you met last time, and this is what was agreed that that was going to be done. And and this is what I was told to put into the report, right?
when you where did that language go that we voted on because it was that was I think that well I mean that's in an earlier draft but when we presented that and George was articulating the highway department's issue the sanding trucks
issue with the water bars he said you should put that in the report that it was the highway departments and that they were going to talk to the highway department about the recommendations from furog Okay. So, I'll just double check that
when we have our meeting that we're clear on that. Okay. Because I know we voted we spent a lot of time just coming up with that short sentence and then it it it's not there anymore. But I think we have to what we're trying to do here is
recognize that Furcog recommended one thing, right? But the association wants to, you know, has different thoughts about it through their experience and their history and that they got feedback from the highway department that maybe that wasn't the best way to go, but
we're trying to acknowledge Furcog's recommendations as well. So it could be that when you all weigh in on all of these that you want a special comment to be like a footnote here that Furcog may have recommended
that but it's not feasible because the highway department can't deal with the water bars. Right. Okay. Um, and then include dra the one about include drainage and erosion
assessments as part of LWA's annual and seasonal seasonal um should include Oh, wait a minute. Why did I write this down? Oh, dear. Whatever.
Okay, I think I wrote down the last five because I mean the last four because those were the ones to be checked with the association
because of again they're very specific. That's good. You should, you know, when they get all these then they can weigh in on these and they're all together now as opposed to how they were before. So that might make it easier for me. And number 10 is is going to be
up for discussion because um and I think Tom, you and your friend sent a letter about the laurels area because we're not even sure what's happening with that right now. So I don't how we should keep
should we even keep that in there right now? because right now it's out of the courtesy of the Lake Wyola Association that the laurels are taken care of because that's all private owned area. But then there was the discussion at the
annual meeting that that area may become gifted to the lake association and it may not. Um in your letter Tom you're questioning what whether it should be gifted. So here it says discuss
ownership and remove I mean we know the ownership right now how it exists. I I'm not sure what discuss ownership means. What do we want to say? What do we want to say about? So, Furkog's
recommendation, which we concurred with, right? We agreed with was to remove sediments from these turnouts and install additional turnouts. So, if this was not there, that would be belongs in the brackets somehow like LWA
or owner is appropriate something, right? So it could be that the recommendation is to remove these sediments. However, ownership issues would need to be resolved, right? Yeah. Something like that. Okay.
It does get done anyway. So I don't know that ownership needs to be raised. It's just that it's been raised now by uh by the association and the grip codes.
um like it's on the table currently. the question of the ownership transferring. I know these activities do get done, right? But I think there's some question as to their continuation based on the result of these ownership. There doesn't
seem to be a written contract for it. So I think the history is useful, but I don't know if the history is going to mean everything. And Tom, does does a pipe that you own maybe go under that road and up to another I I think there's
our sewer line goes under the road. The electricity for the good co goes under the road, right? Those are all Yeah. I just know from a friend of mine that lives in the Boston area. when they bought their house, they had a lawyer um
obviously check the deed and everything and then they went to sell it about 30 years later and lo and behold uh the city of Boston owned half of their backyard and they could not sell until that was resolved. And I'm I'm just
feeling, you know, by saying Lake Wyola is going to take care of this and yet we don't own the road technically. Uh, it's just a courtesy that we do. Um, you know what I mean? I I think it's a little fuzzy. I agree. I
never understood it. Maybe it just shouldn't be there because even people on both North and South Laurel Road have property on both sides of the road. I know when I owned a house on that side, I always thought that I owned half the road.
Um, now what I found out from listening to the the other day is that I always thought that the town originally took wasn't going to the person didn't pay the taxes on the road, so the town didn't want to take it over. That's why the road stayed that way.
That was Yeah, I don't know why, but yeah, the um the road is owned by a different party. Like our deeds just say we have the right of access to the road essentially. So who pays the t? because I was always under the thing that no one was paying the taxes. Oh, no. The the
taxes are up to date. The person's name is Priscilla Hagerty on the um tax card, but there's a trust, the Santa Fe Trust, I believe it's called, that um might be making the payments. Uh you can check all that at the assessors. So, right,
let me ask this question. I don't think it's fair to remove it because we're all about sedimentation and what happens on the laurels, I was just there myself, um is an impact. So, we can't just erase
it because the ownership is problematic or that Lake Wyola is doing it now in spite of the ownership. I think we need to highlight that sediments are an issue and that questionable ownership on the roads makes a solution more complicated
and and maybe leave it at that. And then I would I would take out LWA at the end, right? I think so too. So something Whoops. something like um Oops. How about something like that? Sedimentation and runoff on south and
north Laurel continue to impact the lake, but ownership but road ownership issues. Can you please um you had something about turnouts in there, right? But that's the solution. So, I'm not going to put in Oh, okay. Okay. Sedimentation
and runoff on North and South Laurel continue to impact the lake, but road ownership issues have complicated. Uh, could we put such as turnouts and water bars because I think those have been the solutions they've been
trying to deal with. How about that? Thanks. Not 11. Yeah, I got spaced a little funny. I appreciate that. And hasn't it been a a practice in the past that when there were big needs on
that road, um, whomever were the residents that wanted to contribute financially, put in money toward everybody work, having like a company come in and fix something. Wasn't that done a few years ago? We did it when I
lived over there. part of the road washed out and they we all paid everybody on the road threw in money and paid to get it fixed. Right. That was on North Laurel. I don't think it's happened since I've moved there, which is 2017.
Well, we had to run at the bottom of the hill. Yeah. Do you remember? I think came in after you like I don't know if it's been a recent No, I think there was something that some neighbors came together with the Colots to work on the the big amount of water that was dumping
down into their property. That was before Dave Boron put in those water bars. Oh, okay. All right. So, so the last thing here was develop short-term solutions for addressing drainage and impacts on three properties and safety issues. at the end
of Shore Drive. Now, that was my What are the What three properties are being referenced? Well, I don't want to put specific addresses in here. We talked about those at the neighborhood meeting, the three properties that are being affected down
there. I just thought it was appropriate to indicate the number of properties involved, but not to name the owners. Okay. So, so that was specific. So, three properties on Shore Drive
properties, right? But that must have been a recom that was a recommendation from Furkcog or was that No, some of these are are our recommendations as well. Yeah. I mean, that was pretty that was a big water system, drainage system that we
looked at up there. It's one of the big ones on Shore Road in addition to the one that drains down to Pine Drive. Is that the one we looked at that um when we took a walk up the hill by changing a few things, it changed where the water was coming down
by that area? No, that was the other that was the one that goes down and eventually hits Pine Drive. That was a different one. This one comes from some kind of underground stream that runs underneath someone's house, but then comes across the road, freezes in the
winter, dumps into someone's storm drain, dumps into someone's stream, and floods his yard. And those are the ones that fill up their own that were filling up their own coverts. No, that's even a different one.
I know there's a couple over there. Yeah. Right. So, Charlene, I think the thing is these are things that you guys will review when you review it and if you have comments included in your comments. Right. I just refresh my memory then. Are the are we talking
about the end of the street where the letter came in from that lady complaining about what was done? No, we were down there near um I don't know about any litter. There's a stream that goes underneath
someone's house. Right. Right. It cuts across the road. Cuts across the road and it dumps into the Andrex storm drain. Right. So the three properties are at that end. At that end, correct? Okay. That's why it says the end of
Shore Drive. So somehow I think I guess I didn't see it that way when I read it. Can I think with the end three about the south end of that helps. Yeah. And then
I would put the three properties closer to that south end of Shore Drive because it looks like three properties and then all of a sudden the south end of Shore Drive shows up. How about that? How about for three properties instead of and three property
or at three properties at? How about that? Okay. So, so those I know which properties they are now. So when this gets shared with the association, it's really now the association can can weigh in on comments
on any of these and we'll review those comments when they come in and decide if they get included in a general set of documents of comments from all the committees or whether we feel that there are specific comments here that we need
to work in and revise our recommendations. Yep. Okay, that was all I had to comment on. Okay, that's good. Okay, so any other comments we should
attend to anybody? Okay, good. So, can we take a vote that we are um Wait a second. Do we now still have a quorum? I don't know if Bob is Oh, I let me stop my screen sharing. Oh, I'm not going anywhere. Oh, there
you are. Okay, good. Well, I didn't see your name there. Okay. So, can we have a vote that this um that this report is our almost our almost final report cons uh contingent on whether we revise it based
on committee recommendations or agencies and that now I have our approval to send this on to Concomwac Lake Wyola Association and the highway department and I'll send that plus the attachments
with an email inviting people to comment by July 25th and that we will then be um adding their comments to our report to the select board. Yep. I'd like to make a a motion
that this is our almost final report and will be uh sent out to the relevant committees that have been discussed um as well as the timeline. Second. Okay. Can we have a vote? Charlene, yes.
Wallace, I. Joe, I Joe I. Jim, hi. Bob, hi. Tom, hi. Okay, good. Thank you for sticking with that. Um, can I can I just say that uh hearing
somebody with a last name of Wallace saying I just sounds so Scottish to me. Well, I take that with uh with honor. Me and William Wallace. Hi. Yes. It was meant to be a compliment. Um I can only
say William Wallace and see, you know, men in skirts and broadswords racing crazily at each other on wild horses. And when I was in Scotland and Ireland, I had the most crazy dreams. All black and
white. Black and white dreams of like Braveheart guys on horses charging around. That's awesome, you know. Okay. Uh with that little bit of history for the recording, um we have our next meeting date which is July 31st, 7 p.m.
if we need it. And then the only other I will give for car cog the um information they're asking for. I may send a little email around asking for any, you know, comments on that or if I've missed
anything on takeaways. We hope um goals for the education sessions. Charlene, you're going to get back to me about any available dates if we decide to do something at the select at the T uh community association if they're in
favor of us. Right. Tagging on, right? Will you need to wait until July 24th to do that? No, I I could send individual e I could just send to the executive board and see if that works. Um,
the more I'm thinking about it though, if we're looking to get as big a population involved, I think if we have it like the weed watchers is
for everybody, that's a known project um because it's really not part of an environmental committee in Lake Wyola. this is what the uh Timsons do every year and they go through the state board, you know, process and everything.
Um I'm wondering if that isn't the best option because then we could expand it and like we could get Joe's ice cream in there and and um Rocky Road. Rocky Road. There we are. I prefer butter pecan, but
that's all right. Um anyway, um then it's not specific to the Lake Wyola Association, which might make people think, well, I have to be a member to be able to go. We want we want to make sure we're getting out to everybody. And um
so whatever activity seems to make people think it's, you know, really a community event rather than a specific association. That's all I'm wondering about. It's a really good point. As someone who who
has participated in the Weed Watchers since the very first one, I think I've only missed the maybe the last two. Hardly anybody comes even from the association. It's usually just the Timsons. Myself and my partner Edith Huntsburgger
used to come. She hasn't come lately. So, it's not a very widely attended event. Now, that could just be an outreach problem. Um, but I just want to put that out there that it's it's a it's not it it's not an event that draws a lot of
of uh people, right? But I'm just thinking um like we have the the the second annual membership meeting the day before. So, this could be a big push at that meeting. So you you'd and then we could ask people to go out and spread
the word to non-members to community. I mean, you know, it's it's a as long I like the environmental tie up. Call it an environmental what what would be a work not workshop because people might not want to come to
do work. Um environmental adventure. Oh no. We'll we'll come up with a name, but we still need a location because the weed watchers just Yeah. Well, we can still use that, you know. Yeah. Yeah. That's
not the issue. The I'm just trying to think how we can make it look like it's, you know, if it comes off of the town website, that's perfect. And then the Lake Wyola um Jean Fontaine is fabulous with getting information out um a lot. So, we
could have her do it. So you'd get, you know, those uh the specific people who are who are members and then I think we would, you know, and I bet the Timsons would be really excited to know that more people might be coming to their event because they they are so
passionate about it and they do such a good job. Um I know we've always wanted to go, but we've always been away. So have to check the schedule now. will be home because the second annual meeting. So that might work this year for us. But
I'm just thinking it's more it's less Lake Wyola Association orientated than if we do the ice cream social which is Lake Wyola Association orientation. Yeah. No, I understand that. So um I guess we would still need the
association hall on that date. Yeah. And we would somehow talk to Tim. We wouldn't I mean just let them know, but it would be advertised as kind of a I know we were trying to come up with a
name like an environmental um celebration day, you know. So it would include um weed watchers, it would include storm water erosion information sessions. It
would include the stream table. Um it would include, you know, homeowner uh tips, tips and tricks for reducing sedimentation, that kind of thing. So kind of a a celebration or
something. Charlene, yeah, just a quick question for you. The date of the our ice cream social is how close is it to that date? To which date? The one our ice cream social watcher date. Yeah. Okay. Wait a minute. I got to go get
that schedule. I left it on because I'm just thinking if you could schedule it on the same day the as the ice cream social because now all of that's already in place. The ice cream's there. everything set up and have Timson schedule another day if they wanted to
because it's not a lot of people to do a weed watcher day to schedule it with our ice cream social on top of this thing together. Would that be too much? Well, it's just they would have to know how much ice cream and um they always
have a lot of ice cream. I mean, they're always Yeah. Um let me let me go get that schedule. So, I left that on the count cuz this way you wouldn't have to go out and somebody doing all the work to get the ice cream and get everything in place. Well, we only need one flavor, Joe.
Well, you haven't worked the ice cream social. I have. You don't have You got to have chocolate, vanilla, and you gota have like, you know, the strawberry because some kids don't like chocolate. Some kids like vanilla. I know. But we only
need Rocky Road. So in terms of extra ice cream, so that's the 19th, the ice cream social. Okay. And the only thing I can see that might be questioned is if this is a social, we've made it more into a educational
night. Do you know what I mean? That might take away from the social. I'm just saying it might. Okay. No, that makes sense. I just trying to figure out of all the adding all the other stuff into it. That's all. Well, I was thinking for the if we did ice cream on the weed walk watcher day, each of us
bring in a gallon of ice cream. That's all I bring. Coffee. We know what you're going to bring, Joe. Then I could bring my lactosefree ice cream, too. There you go. I got two gallons of almond milk. And then Well, and then if there's any
left from the ice cream social, we can ask what they're doing with it. And certainly, I'm sure get handed it. Okay. So, They buy that. What we're saying now is August 19th is weed. No, not August 19th. July 19th
is the ice cream. And August 10th is what we're talking about. Oh, August 10th. Okay. I heard August 10th is weed watchers. Okay. So, August 10th is uh weed watcher lake. Um I don't know what we would protect your
lakes from water erosion. Celebration. What was that? Environmental celebration. Okay. Earth Day in August. Lake Day. You've heard of Earth Day. Now we have Lake Day.
Um, okay. So, we don't really need to. I mean, we of course we talked to Tim and everything, but this will happen sometime. Weed watchers, they go out early. Usually they went out around 9ine all the time. Right. They have on a
schedule 10 to 11. All right. So 10 to 11. So this would theoretically happen after Weed Watchers was over, right? We could do it after or before. You could do 9 to 10. Or is that too early for people? I think it might be early.
Plus, we might need all the time we need. Oh yeah. 11 to 12 and then ice cream at noon. Yeah, something like that. Um, and we might want more than one hour, you know. I mean, I don't know. Hour and a half or two hours would give
us a little wiggle room, but can we say 11 to 12:30? Yeah. Okay. And ice cream at 12:30. And then we would have these the stream table, right? And we would have some um
handouts and information uh regarding uh you know things people could do on their own properties. Maybe I'm going to I mean I I'm going to try to get some things. I don't know what they would be that would be like give you know
giveaway. Maybe we get one barrel, one rain barrel donated and we have a little raffle for a rain barrel or um gift cards to pipe stores. I don't know. I don't know
what. Um, oh, we were gonna have a consult, you know, someone some kind of consultation um on ways that individual home homeowners or property owners can manage storm water. Yeah, Charlene, I I have
only because I never thought to bring it from downstairs. I have a gift bag from Treehouse Brewery. I don't know if that really connects with weed watchers, but um I know what kind of weed you're looking for
now. Now, now we're on a recorded line. Massachusetts. Um no, I have that because and I told Mora and Art Keane that was supposed to be a raffle item for the road race, but I left it with the August calendar raffle stuff and never brought it down. So, it's left
over. And I asked them what they wanted me to do with it and they said I could save it to next year or find another place to do it. So I have that. It's like a $30 thing. It's got um some glasses. So I mean unless it's too tacky
to put on an environmental celebration. Well, it's celebration. It is a celebration, right? Well, let's hold that in the wings. It may or may not come in here. Just know it's there. But how about All right. So, we're we've been at this for a little while now. Um,
they asked us about takeaways. So, what kind of things Oh, someone wanted a checklist. That was a good idea, Charlene. You know that we develop a checklist of things that could be done. Um we want the ed if we can swing this webinar about you know the impact
of storm water in watersheds how systems affect each other how individual properties um are a part of a wider system. So that's educational, I guess. Um what
individuals can do to make it better and just building building community around sedimentation issues. We have some time. We could come up with other things that could be presented on
on tables and whatnot, but what do you think the main takeaways are here? What do we want people to leave with? And think that it's the combination of this hands-on activity plus the webinar,
right? And maybe just the fact that this is a a serious starting point for all the invested parties uh to really begin getting control of
sedimentation, erosion, however you want to whatever you want to list. But this is the first time it's sort of a group effort compared to people, you know, doing it individually or individual groups thinking about it.
Okay. So that and that includes, you know, not just these groups, but it includes the residents. We need their help. I mean, yep. No, for like for instance, uh was it
yesterday Ed and I were out on the boat and there were two people swimming, no buoys or anything. So we stopped and told them they couldn't do that. And and we said, "Do you have u property on the lake?" And they said no. And so they had
come from the town beach. And what they're doing, at least now, this is the second day in the row, second day in a row. Once the lifeguards leave, they go beyond the buoys and swim out into where, you know, there's other people doing other things. So, to me, that's
lack of education at the at the state park and we we've overlooked that, you know what I mean? Um, as far as boating safety, it's not just about out on the lake. It's it's really, you know, those there were two incidents in a row where
people came over that buoy line. I'm a little tired. Is it okay if we um convene soon? I'm really sorry, but and we're not talking about road erosion anymore. Um well, all I'm saying is we have to get out to the general public. That's the huge part. Okay. I think it's
fair. We've been meeting for a long time. If if it's okay with you all, can we just throw one thing out? Yeah, throw it out. is just into the mix is that I I'm not aware but I it's worth checking up if the agricultural extension has any
landscaping uh you know thing that they can um bring out handouts or someone to talk that that dealing with this idea of uh um
resilience and flood water. Um, I don't know if they have it, but it might be worth checking. Okay, good idea. I can do that. Okay, here's what we'll do. I'm going to um try to encapsulate some of these ideas
that we've talked about. The date um Charlene's going to check on this date being able to use the hall. We're going with that one date now. Yep. August 10th. Joe, you're going to stockpile whatever rocky road you can stockpile and keep it cold till August 10th,
right? He's not there anymore. Um, and I'll send around something that summarizes things that I can send to um to Tamson. Good. Sounds good. Okay. And with that,
you make a motion to adjurnn. Let's do it. I Someone's got to second it. Oh, I'll second it. Second it. Oh, he shows up for that. No, I'm kidding you, Joe. All right, so um your vote Charlene I.
Wallace I. Joe. Joe is I. Yeah. Okay. Jim can't hear him, but he says I. Bob Douglas.
He says I Tom Hi. meeting adjourned. Yes. And Charlene, I will send you the draft of that document so you can circulate it to the folks. She's gone.
Good night everybody. Good night. Thank you. Yep. Stop recording.