e hey Matt why is it doing that I don't know it says video not responding now I my computer's been acting up I got to bring it in to see if it can
fix it he's doing on my phone I think I'm unmuted I can't tell Matt can you hear me I'm having trouble with my computer evening folks oh there it goes think is it doing just keep zooming I don't
know can't hear Matt [Music] recording it's giving me grief also delay
Matt can you hear me I can't hear you when it's oh it's awful yeah no look at I don't know what's going on I can't hear them at [Music] all I want to log on
sounds like a disco something funky's going on I just there a ball going to drop from the ceiling soon maybe try your phone cath yeah can you not hear
me we can now no Echo I don't think that Echo was me though Christine it looks like you have two sessions open so I think that's what's giving us the uh the echo there right let me try cling
out did that work that work that seems to be better yeah that's better oh maybe not e [Music] a they got a lot
of there the date on I don't know hun look you figure it out well then don't do I have audio or not Jo gleny Matt do you have the option to Go mute everybody to start
all right Tom can you hear me now Matt's speaking I can't hear him I can't hear can hear you yeah I can't either Kathy can you hear me it's Christine yes okay so mat's the one
that's not can you hear me now yes y all right shortly Tom's going to be a little bit late he said I'm just gonna pay the bills do we have any volunteers
on the committee to uh take the minutes anyone I'll try it whatever else you can think would make it really fun thing okay well why don't we uh why don't we jump on and kind of get started we'll uh
Jump Right In tonight see here let me to share my screen here really quick too so we can uh do this the right way can you guys see my screen by any chance not yet how now better yes yep good okay good
okay well why don't we get started call 6:33 got a call to order so one of the things that I spoke with the select board we did get a date that's uh they're going to set up for the public listening session hence one of the reasons why we didn't do a kind of a
public comment session on our meeting tonight was we're going to punt that to March 27th sounds like it's going to be at the elementary school and there shall be a potential virtual option as well um it's
going to be moderated by the town moderator is the way that they're going to set this up so I'll plan to be there in person on the 27th as well during the uh during the session so all that folks that you know wrote letters or they want to come they want to speak you on their behalf of things that topics around the
lake they're going to be more than welcome to most likely there'll be a u some sort of you know probably kind of time limit for everybody give everybody you know five minutes or something like that to uh make their make their public comments is kind of what the format
sounds like um for that meeting so I think it's overall should be should be pretty good and I think it'll be good to get a you know just broader range of discussion so as I get more information as they finalize that piece of it
obviously it'll be posted on the calendar and then we can obviously make it uh known to the folks that have written letters to us and everything else so I'll be planning to do that okay good good there um the next thing I wanted to kind
of bring up just the um uh next meeting dates so March is kind of a crazy travel month for me so I I want to post put out a couple of dates and see if these work for everybody I know we typically don't do them back to back but I didn't know if he would be
great to get a couple meetings in before that next before that you know that even that public uh comment session so I was looking at next week 35 and 326 same time 6:30 any major objections or do we have enough people to be able to get on
those any of those dates are fine with me Matt thank you good for me all I have objection to uh the fifth okay does anybody else have an objection to the 5ifth because I see if we can try
to get these going any uh anyone else no I'm good with both of those so let me ask I'll ask the committee then do we want to Ria I know you can't make it do we still want to
hold a meeting on education and then catch up afterwards that's what the topic would be upon they're not going to be of any other major items I'm I'm not saying that I can't make it I'm just objecting to it but um we're meeting this week and you're saying the 5th and
the 26 as yes so how about the 12th is that duable that's that's my problem I'm out both weeks and March like like out of pocket where I can't even call [Music]
in any major reason why not the fifth uh it's Ash Wednesday okay we want to have a vote on what we want to do I mean do we really need two Matt and we just go with the 26 we can it's going to put another
whole month away but if that's what we want to do then so be it can we do the seventh or something around the fifth I'll throw that out to the uh I'll throw that out to the group here to decide I'm fine with that date too Matt what what about the fourth so we can
keep it midweek versus uh Friday night or or the six the fourth or the six I'm good for any of those States fourth on book six I could do I'm totally open it doesn't matter
six six I'm on a plane going once going twice say I'm on the I'm on a plane on the sixth you are yeah yeah five o' so 326 it is
right it's unfortunate but we'll we'll go with it that's way we're going to go okay um moving on the uh next thing that just want to give everybody kind of a heads up on is I I did reach out and I did talk with the local environmental
police who's responsible and covers Lake Iola kind of Turner Falls Connecticut River area it's a new uh a new new environmental police officer I think he's been on in this jurisdiction maybe maybe a year if that somewhere in that
range um Trevor Brucey is his name um great individual looks like he'll be a great resource he's open to uh you know having a dialogue you know with me and we can even invite him to Something in the future if we need to um had a good discussion with him he was you know
discussion revolved around you know they enforce the mass laws they don't enforce bylaws that was pretty uh pretty loud and clear when I talked with him about that so that was part of the the conversation we had but he's all for Education uh more more of that more
promotion of safety on the lake he's a he's definitely a strong Advocate that way but I did want to let everybody know that was one of my action items was to kind of stablish that connection which I did for the committee so we'll have that as a resource in addition to uh cheap purgas you know for my shry as well
obviously of course Matt what's his name again Trevor Brucey bruy can you spell that I think it's BR r u SS E I don't have it in front of me here but something like
that I met him out walking on the lake he was here one day during the week checking fishing licenses nice kind of a young guy seems enthusiastic about the job which is is
hopeful yep and he does have a boat he does plan to you know Patrol from time to time sounds like you know he has a you know bigger bigger area with the I think he covers kind of the northern part of that uh Connecticut River so-call it
from the Turners Falls Dam and up so he has a pretty good body of water that he's uh he's on on a regular basis it's sounds like too Ria I took a picture of his his business card his name is t v o r Trev b
r SS e that was close close thank you sure no worries Matt I I was just curious did um you happen to ask if there's any other great ponds in
Massachusetts uh asking Mr a Trevor that has an actual onsite police boat that is there at the ready because I haven't been I hav any uh other lakes or great
ponds in all of Massachusetts that has a town dock or police boat I don't know if anybody else has I've been trying to find out I know I know his is a his is a trailerable boat he trailers it from where where he goes yeah I'm just asking regards to shs
Berry's Police Department now putting resources to setting up a boat on the lake and curious if there's any other you know examples of that in Massachusetts and I can't find any I didn't ask that question but uh it's something we could ask in the
future for sure okay all right let's move on to uh you guys ready to move on to the minutes okay so I kind of just put this uh this picture up here and I'll blow this up so people can see a little bit better these are the minutes that we
still need to get on the town website so there was a November 26th um minutes I think I can find those and I'll send those to the town I think everybody saw the December 11th minutes that Tom provided um and then then there was also
the next ones for the uh the last meeting I think it was January 29th or what were the dates let me take a peek here I have them here you can look at them so here's the December 11th and then we have a
129 and I believe we we already approved the last ones here I thought we approved the January 8th ones in the last meeting without Tom here I guess I'm not sure on where those stand anybody else
know oh okay I'll follow up with with Tom after the fact the uh the minutes that we do want to look at to approve tonight is the December 11th meeting I mean meeting minutes did everybody get a
chance to read those yeah I did Matt thank you yeah yeah the the the the one one question that came up I don't know you guys saw the the response from the chief B ass trailer on the January 29th meeting minutes big ass trailer
truck who's can you mute it's Mike S who is it Mike S yeah nonv video think you commuting that thank you he probably doesn't even realize yeah it's fine no worries if we get him we'll mute him
that's people it's easy to forget that you're on a yeah exactly you're on speaker I understand um so question that came up from the from the chief on the meeting minutes from the 29th and I I was looking at the minutes as well too and I guess this is
a question for the committee and we guess um you know the question is how do we want to handle minutes going forward do do we want to be doing kind of these transcript meeting minutes or do we want to move to a summary meeting
minute type of uh setup I mean some of the transcript stuff is nice but then if everything isn't recorded specifically then people are going to have heartburn that their quotes are they didn't have the the pre- quote they dur during quote and the after quote so
I'm of the fan of I think we should just go to kind of like General minutes and that's what the videos are for people want to watch specific details and watch every last breath I mean for one I I thank Tom for doing that but it's also going to take just a massive amount of
time and we're getting the minutes really late too I'd like to see them sooner while the information in generality is fresh so let's see Mark you raise your hand so go ahead and then I'll let Kathy's too I I I like the idea of more of a summarize that way nothing
is being quoted out of context um and and tone can also be you know implied when when you're reading something uh versus actually listening to somebody speak so I do since we have the option to have people go back and review the video I think it is a better idea to
keep it General summary and then refer people back to the uh to the videos themselves just so nothing's misconstrued yeah and I know that Tom is putting the link right in the minutes to the video too which is convenient for people that want more so Kathy go ahead
yeah I was gonna say same thing and um I often wondered why uh minutes were so detailed when the video has everything you'd need at your fingertips so I'm I'm a fan of just a summary that captures the general ideas of the meeting and
then the uh reference the link within the minutes to the the recording is great yeah Dave um wish Tom was here for the discussion but yeah it's I I emailed him
it's a lot of work he's doing and I basically sent him an example of what I would have done and it was three sentences so uh he was open to that and I'm expecting that um you'll see that change selfishly that's what my minutes
will look like if he doesn't hop on you don't need to be detailed in the minutes when you have a recording of the meeting that you can just reference to if someone says something in the meeting that stirs a larger discussion you would want to have had that direct quote but
that's not what's Happening Here Right gotcha Ria I'm going to ask can we put up a gallery uh instead of having this uh form here we could see everybody we're talking to and um just attending other uh Town meetings in shutesbury I
have seen this before the type of minutes that we're seeing here with Tom so this isn't unusual um I mean we have the agenda that you're doing Matt and then having the overview gives it uh makes it more accessible to have a
transcript versus a YouTube video so that's a question of accessibility for the town and for people to look at it so that's uh why having them in as he wrote it um is great and then of course if people want to question any quotes they
can as you say go to the the YouTube clip but this is not unusual for shsb to have minutes written like this no I I don't disagree at the same time though I think that if you're going to do transcripts they got to be verbatim right and if you're not going to if you're not going to write everything down then it's not an accurate
representation either in my opinion so I don't I don't need a transcript if I can watch a video it might the way is the way that I would phrase it Mark one more question go ahead isn't AI doing a transcript for us already is that that was my
understanding am I correcting that that's correct so is there a way maybe to do the summary and then if AI is already printing out a a uh a summary or a verbatim um even even AI is a summary it's not
it's not a transcript by any means okay so so I think you know we can table this to the next conversation when Tom is around but I think I'd like to make a a vote on how we want to do our minutes for the meeting going forward I I I do have another option I mean I I do this
all the time with audio I'm recording this audio right now as I've recorded all the meetings and it's very easy to put it into Ai and get it a total transcript so that is an option and uh I have a program that I do that with uh quite easily a couple minutes so if uh
if that's helpful for folks good send me the process R well it's it is it's a little paid program but it's doable and you know the thing about YouTube is it doesn't necessarily have captions so that's the question about accessibility and so by having something and then
referencing to YouTube you get and YouTube will create its own um caption but that might NE might not necessarily be true either so it's accessibility piece um you know some of us are able to body we could see and all that but not everybody
can I think that's I think the idea of having multiple venues here so having our summary of the minutes and then link to the AI transcript um so that there's a written uh you know summary of everything not summary transcript uh and then also the
video just so we're we're including everybody um but instead of having the the picking and choosing quotes to put in the minutes I think just put it all down as one transcript at the end of the minutes uh or accompanying the minutes I think would be a nice compromise to kind
of cover all the bases yeah I think it accompany him it because again otherwise we're going have to read I mean reading minutes that are eight and 10 pages long is a little bit little lengthy from the meeting from the different committees I've been on in my my past I'm not used
to that I'm used to just minutes so anyway so the question is we have to vote on the minutes from the 12 just get the dates right here from the 1211 meeting sounds like everybody read
those so why don't we do can somebody make a motion to approve the minutes of December 11th don't mve I'll second who that okay who was the first me sorry I'm flipping between screens here so why don't we do a roll
call brassel hi green hi hand so I'm sorry I I do need some clarification here if we're not really happy with the minutes as they are
written because of the like this some of the the what is written being unclear I guess I'm I'm wondering how we approve them is that is that advisable like if if there is quotes that say two
people said something should we be approving these minutes I think I should have jumped in here on this beforehand but so what what I'm what we had is the chief had a question on the 129
minutes I think those are the ones I think I think we need to go back and decide on if we're just going to summarize that those minutes to 12 11 minutes I I mean I propose we take those as they are because it's we're going have to go you have to go back even
further to kind of fix those I'd rather kind of fix the most recent ones and then going forward we kind have a new modus op rende so to speak okay that's that's fair I I think the same problem was happening in
the December 11th minutes as what was happening in this movie so I guess I just wanted to clarify that I am comfortable with not wasting the time and moving forward that's that's fine so I will say I okay remel I Rivers hi
Salvador hi CER not here Ria this is a vote for what exactly now because I'm a little confused what Amy brought up so we're voting to approve the minutes from December 11th is that correct
I thank you and Bellic I so those minutes will be I can get those over to the town to get those pulled up okay all right the uh just take one one second here I'll
pull up my other stuff in a second here we start talking about education are we going to make a a motion to pass minutes from January 29th well I think that's those are the ones that you know there was a
discussion from the chief and we just had our conversation that says we want to talk to Tom about possibly changing those to more of a summary version so I think until we can talk with Tom and talk to that with the team and then make a motion on those
well can we make a motion to pass those minutes and then moving forward Kathy is making the minutes for this week and we could see how that goes and then keep on moving forward so we don't kind of keep on rolling backwards but I mean a motion can be made I would object to those based on the fact that
the chief did send in an email that she wanted to have things corrected she wanted either full she she gave me a call gave me a call Post the discussion or the email in either once exact quotes verbatim on everything or summary one or
the other but not half quotes for her Section that's fair yeah I think we should wait just to be safe with the 29th minutes so then it sounds like somebody else is going to have to re write up those
minutes possibly so is that what is Kathy are you gonna be doing that because we've already had Tom do that I don't think that's really fair to ask him to do quite an extensive minutes here I did sent him an email and he
seemed open to an adjustment so that's the feeling I got from him yeah if he's not I'll do it it is a lot of work that he's already put in so he put a lot of work into it that's right and but I think he understands
that you know he could he doesn't have to do that much work and I can take a look too Kathy if I can see the summary if I can get the AI summary then we can uh I can help get that over to you as well too okay
okay fair enough good points R thank you it's a hand raised Rob do you have something or I want to move UC topics here pretty quick I understood but quick question is it normal for member of the public and that
is the role that Chief Burgess has here to advise the committee on how to maintain notes um she is actually a uh I forgot the name of it is she's a ad ad hoc member to our committee so yeah she
does okay thank you all right okay moving on to uh education topics so one of the things that we've talked about in the past and I want to kind of just start with this one the the main thing that we've talked
a lot about is signage for the lake and what we would potentially want to have on on a sign and I want to kind of circulate that conversation around what what do we think we want to have um on Aigner is that's something we want to propose i' love to kind of just get that dialogue
started with the committee we have have a uh we have had discussion around you know our existing bylaws we've talked about you know indicating counterclockwise rotation whole host of different things go ahead Dave so I have not been down to the ramp
in the long time I know that lwa spent money on signs down there and then lwac spent money for signs down there or so is there an issue with the signs at the bat ramp or you talking about additional signs to what's already
there I'm just wondering you know what your thought is there m have they been removed I think that they they were removed now there's some small signage there but reading those signs really doesn't give you a clear depiction of
like I I think I can imagine like a picture of the lake and showing like which direction boats go where's the buffer zones for 150 you know just just listing the bylaws you think that's just that's not good enough you want to get bigger and better and brighter in my
opinion but I just want to get your understanding of that I mean I think you want to make it really clear and I think sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words and who's gonna pay for it if we do upgrades down there town we have to that'll be one of our recommendations to the town that okay we think you should
have a sign that has these features on it it will have to hire a graphic designer to to you know mock it up and we could approve it and they could buy it yeah they do hold the boat ramp so that's a fair ask thank you you're
welcome Mark go ahead uh so one of the things I think that would be really nice to have on there uh and this gets a little tricky with sell reception not always being fantastic down there uh but having a QR code that links directly to
the states um you know boating laws because that's you know our first bylaws right are are basically citing the the state laws and that way people have access to them um you know just write there on their phone I don't know does anybody know if any of the um the cell
companies have reception down at the boat ramp I have AT&T across the lake that works great but I don't know how it is at the boat ramp um anyone Jud Judy Judy had her hand up there let me just let go here next hey
Judy don't know what the sign is down there at their boat ramp but as far as having having to have a cell phone when you get there I don't know that everyone's going to be carrying a cell
phone for one thing but um one thing I would like to have down there and on the safety cards would be that power boats must stay 150 ft from swimmer
that's not on our current bylaw and I I would feel a lot safer swimming if I if I had that known that boats power boats
must stay 150 ft away from the swimmers so that I think is really important it seems and because it seems to be fuzzy on the on that we need to educate people about
how the about where the measurements are I think that we also need to ask for buoys that are marking 150 feet and spots when we put in the
requests well a couple a couple questions on that one okay 150 feet from swimmer so the 150 buffer ring that we have that depicts Headway speed isn't that isn't the law is
that exactly rightmer and I didn't know that either until I became a member of this committee and I started doing research and the research showed me that the power boats
need to be 150t from a swimmer if I'm swimming at 50 feet the boat needs to be out 200 feet if I'm swimming at 150 ft the boat needs
to be 150 ft away from me that's the state law let Ria go or go Ria first can't hear you thanks man uh I don't mind going
back to that question what uh Judy was just talking about um but I was just going to on on the signage uh QR codes are a little dangerous because you could pop malware on it so with an area that's not really protected I wouldn't advise
doing that um lots of risk with um malware and other fake things anybody can put up a QR code over the QR code and direct always just we always just list the web page too so good point yeah that's a better option yeah m ch. go easy yeah but I'm just going back to
what Judy says it sounds like we won't have any room on the lake to uh do anything if somebody is like out on a boat uh swimming from a boat you know as I often do in the middle of the lake um does that mean that no 150 feet from
from me or I don't now that I'm not get a lot I think there's a lot of gray area here in this you need to have a boat if you're out in the middle of the lake you need to have a boat near you and I it we should recommend that
swimmers wear one of those floaty uh colorful things anyway um I think that's a great point I think one of the things we can do on our signage and in our education is what are our recommendations above and beyond what our bylaws are right that's a good
point and that would be really a lot better it's hard to see people when they're swimming I always feel very vulnerable out there and especially because the boats don't really know where 150 ft is you know we have a raft
at 70 feet and I've had people that have threatened to run me over because they thought it was out more than 150 feet so it's really really not clear and because the shoreline Moves In and Out all the
way around that's that's also a a problem and then you have the Wake boats and I've been reading up on Wake boats and they throw four times more energy than a
regular power boat and their recommendation for environmentally and for other boats would be 500 ft away from the shore line and and really they should have 20 feet of water to keep
from Wrecking the the nesting fish and and the birds and all the other Wildlife it's a small Lake it's it's hard to try to figure that out for
everyone sure hi um I did print out uh a lot of this stuff Judy thank you by the way and your 150 ft is absolutely correct from the shore to up 150 and that's where swimmers are allowed to
swim anything past 150 you are correct you need to have a boat with you or some you know vessel with a kayak or whatever the case may be but 150 ft from Shore is the actual swimming area and that is what's defined so it wouldn't be 50 fet
if you're 50 feet out it would be the 150 from Shore to 150 and I just looked it up again so 300 feet then no ma'am it would be 150 feet for the you have to be 150 feet away from a swimming area the
swimming area on the lake is the first 150 feet from Shore right so it would be 150 feet the other thing that I had asked and I'd like to bring that up again is talking to wola Association they put those buoys
and things out I think you know my guess would be to have something to really be able to have a visual for people that are voting yeah no one intends to to do anything that's illegal or to hurt anybody that's just you know but Common
Sense isn't common so I think it'll help visually see things which is a big huge benefit for you and it it is is really hard to judge the distance from the
shoreline to the boats yeah and I think most voters if they do the safety and they take the course that they're required to take they should be educated well they better be educated if they're taking the course to know that that is something that's critical when you are V
I know but like even at this meeting we I don't it seems as though a lot of us didn't even know that votes were supposed to be 150 ft from a swimmer oddly enough I mean I I've I read the
the laws I've read the rules so you know Ed and again now we're talking about education again you're absolutely correct so it's an education piece that we can provide we can do that through the boat ramp we can do that through housing uh everyone gets a notice at a
house so that people are aware of it and so that they are aware of the concerns and hopefully it'll take home and and you'll have a more Comfort feeling especially if we can put some buoys out just to get like when you're driving a car for example when I was years ago
going to driving school they used to say the distance between the car in front of you and you use telephone poles my kids went to driving school they didn't know that I said it show telephone length between that is a trigger point because I can't tell what three feet is or three
yards I really can't visually see that that's a depth perception so if you can give people targets I think that would make things a lot better for you or any swimmer for that matter to have that visual 150 ft from sure but they also
should know if we don't even have it on our own bylaws that um Power Bo should stay away from no it's not on our bylaws it is because that's a law for the it's a law
it's a state law well it is a lot of people it a lot of different things in there and it's a matter of educating people what they say okay but it would be really nice to have that on our by laws because a lot of people don't know
it and it isn't on the safety cards and I think that you know and that's even the safety card go right excuse me they only go to the people that live around the lake so I think that you know a
mailer or and it it should be on this sa our safety cards but it also should be mailed out to the town so at least they know just to know you know education is key and you are absolutely right I think we're all in agreement to that and you
know when when they cart blanch say look at the state laws that you know to list everything out and again I I hate saying it but common sense is not common so the bylaw does State you have to go by mass law
but I think what you're saying and correct me if I'm wrong but to give more people Insight of what those state laws are so that there is no question well I would like there not to be any question that when I'm swimming at 150 feet boats
need to be 150 feet away from me going keep in mind the way I think it's a little twist the way it's being said it's 150 fet from Shore is your no swimming area is 150 ft from Shore power
boats must stay 15 foot from a swimmer no ma'am it's the swimming area that's not that's not true online right well you know I've read it I read oh I I have them that's where I got this from well
I'm looking at the law well so you think it's okay for a power boat to to go like inches away from me while I'm swimming at 150 fet and that isn't the state law anyway
I looked up the state law massachus state law is illegal operating a motorboat within 150 feet a swimming area is not accepted okay and there private lines okay there are one person talking
at time there are a few places that say that more definition is about the law and the footage and that is on there um I I I'm reading it and it seems very black and white so 150 you're
reading one thing yes and well that's the mgl so that let Mark chime in let's just take a pause on this one for a second take a pause take a pause couple things one I mean I I think that with all laws and whatnot there's room for
interpretation and that's why people go to law school and it's a shame that they are not more consistent and obvious um I don't think that it is the best use of this committee's time to nitpick every I'm not nitpicking I don't feel that I'm
nitpicking and that one person finish in the state Judy I need to let Mark finish his thought please you've had the floor for a while let Mark like being called a Nick pi and I I'm not I'm not meaning that specifically you know I what I'm
trying say here is that I think this committee's time is more valuably spent on broader topics um when it comes to the actual um you know definition how this rule is being enforced that is
going to be for you know the the police to to be able to say this is what it is um that's that's their job I would think that for us it is better to focus on again how are we going to to get people educated how are we going to improve
things um on a general scale uh I think it's more productive use of our time uh so I would like to propose a couple things to potentially do that one would be maybe that we need to look at some specific Massachusetts laws that we
would like to include on the board and on whatever we're are posting um you know ones that we feel are not well known um as a way of educating people uh another thing that I think would be great to do you're right the visualization of what 150 ft is is
challenging uh and we have you know in the past we put the buoys at the association beaches as references if we don't feel like those are doing the job maybe we need to move them to where the boat ramp is so that we have a buoy out
75 ft from uh from the boat ramp and saying this is 75 ft with signage indicating what that is and then another one at 150 feet so everybody putting their boat into the water has this visual representation so there is no excuse that you do not know what that
150 ft is um I think that that would be a nice way to to help educate people and provide some assistance so that the rules are easier to follow because again if you don't understand where that 150 ft is you may think that you are staying
that 150 ft away but if your 150 is only 75 then well it doesn't do anybody any good so I think that um we should work on things like that that can help educate people uh to improve safety um
and and put our time more towards those larger more broader topics if possible thanks Mark why don't we go over to Amy you haven't had a chance to speak um thank you um I rather than continuing this um topic of Education
sort of what feels like a little bit unguided I'm wondering if we can go back if it's easy enough for you to pull up um some of our notes from the first few meetings Matt because when we were going through each of the bylaws I remember you were taking notes on
specific education ideas um that and that we had talked about in a very methodical way I I seem to remember that happening and that we were going to revisit that later on is that something that you could pull up and we could sort of review rather than rehashing things
that we've already talked about I can I was going to Gallery mode sorry this is this is what I had for one of our topics was around the signage and here here were the things that we discussed as a group of kind of key
things that we wanted to have on the signage and also where we could potentially put the sign signage and then kind of have some discussions and I think the couple key things that were in relation to our bylaws was one for everybody body on that's coming into the
lake to understand that we go in a counterclockwise Direction here it's not not very uncommon that people who put their boats in um end up going the wrong way around the lake or they zigzag around the lake so I think that's probably safety primary number one for
me is making sure people know which way to go around our Lake um the second was again to the discussions we've been having here 150 buffer ring that designates Headway speed and it's the swimming area and kind of giving that
few picture I think we had one of our one of our videos or one of our conversations we had a picture of the lake we had this kind of like arbitrary 150 foot line that was going around the circumference of the lake with the undulations of the uh shorelines at the same time and the thing that we talked
about from a a reference point kind of to Marks point a minute ago is could we get with the lake wild Association and have those public beaches or the lake W Association beaches have a buoy at 150 feet so that people actually know what that is on
three points of the lake anyway right we have the Northeast and West beaches um those are places that we could get buoys out in the water for visual representation we also discussed asking the State Beach where are they setting their buoy lengths um from the public
beach I don't know if they're at 150 ft um that's something that we could we'd have to do some research and I have to follow up with the DC R and ask them where they're putting them and if they would be willing to put them at a at a certain length for us that's a question and then we talked a little bit about
the signage of where we would want to put signs we talked about the boat ramp we talked about the State Beach um as a place to put a a large sign about what the lake rules are we do get the random swimmer that comes off from the public beach and just decides that hey I want
to go swim out in the middle and they don't have any buoys they have no vessel they have no nothing and that's probably one of the biggest safety concerns I see on the lake cuz if you're a motor booer and you're going at 250 ft away and you're you know cruise around the lake
and you're pulling a skier or a tuber or whatever you may be doing um seeing a bobbing head in the middle of the lake is a very difficult thing to see no matter what um so that's something I think that educating the folks there kind of ensuring that they don't just drift off the beach um and just go start
swimming everywhere it's a big deal then we also talked about put at the at the lakew association Hall as well um again as members come in and nice reiteration of what what the rules are what the laws are on the lake there's a couple ideas is that helpful Amy I'll just let you
kind of chime in on that if there's something else that you saw in this specific topic that you you thought was relevant thank you Matt no I think that's a really good recap um so that we don't rehash everything um the one thing I I would like to add though as far as
location for signage is um coming off of the dam even though that's not a designated swimming area that is a very common people for a common place for people to come into our Lake and then swim from um and they often go very far out from
that spot I thought they weren't even supposed to be on the damp that's besid they not but it is a reality un that's already I'm not sure what to put signs where where kind of including you know hey break the law come down to the dam and still jump in you know I don't know
how to navigate that but it is a reality me neither but I know you you are correct though there are a lot of people there yeah we'll let a few folks chime in here Ria go ahead am I yes okay thank you um welcome a couple things um one is it's not
necessarily people that I see coming onto the lake I see people on the lake going directly across the lake and I've seen that on a number of occasions just going you know you take the point A to B and you go directly across so seen that quite a bit of time and I want to be
cautious on saying that it's um Outsiders versus insiders because uh it is a great pond it's owned by everybody it's public access for everyone and it's not um anyone owns the lake it's everybody's
lake so careful on wording with that uh folks do have the right to use a lake in all the different spots I'm really concerned about having booies everywhere just kind of making that more of a a hazard as that um water skiing ramp or not the ramp um but the booies that were
out there for quite a while few years back and um I think what we're seeing here is a little bit of us kind of pushing the bylaws through when we actually said Matt I'm spis you to bring it up because when we were going through the bylaws originally we had said well we're going to go back and talk about
this but we never had that option because there was a motion to pass the bylaws without actually ever discussing it uh which is part of the the concern here I'm I'm kind of confused at this point having even taken the safety course where is where is that that
length of 150 uh we have the buoy out there uh let's say at the State Beach let's say that's 150 there that n buy do boats now need to be 150 feet away from that booy
at the State Beach or if there's buoys at the different uh town not town but the lake white Association beaches a buoy 150 feet out how close can a boat go to that buoy I think that's what Judy is getting at and I think it's a good
question and I don't want to bypass I'm not really sure what the rush is to like push this through as if we're in a hurry here because safety is so important it's so critical and to just uh the education of it is critical too and they have
these discussions I'm not sure if it is anybody in a rush uh to get this done at a certain time and am I missing something there that we have a deadline other than referring to the select board but is there a rush that we have to have
it done at you know a specific day because I'd like to know that date what that we don't have time to discuss some key topics here I think you know I would love to get some recommendations back to the select board you know within another month or so
because if we do want to add signage or we want to put something in place for the spring season coming into this year and we want to make an educational difference I think there is some sense of urgency quite honestly if we want to get signage we want to put out new safety cards could be mailers out to the
town could be a host of different things on the education front to me that's something we can actually do as a committee and get things in motion Now versus waiting another year that's my opinion um Kathy you've had your hand up for a
while um I think the urgency at first was um that we were thinking if we were going to be making a change it would have to be ready for the annual town meeting um and now I think given that there's so much interest in um reviewing
the bylaws that in my opinion it would make more sense for this year to do some really um uh intense education and press the police uh both the local police and the environmental police to enforce what
we have currently um and uh recommend that to the select board and then take a longer period of time I know our our directive was initially if I'm remembering right eight months worth of work but y if we
could do that for this year and by a longer period of time during which we could gather more data which I think we're lacking um so that if we get to the point where we um where the bylaws need review or change we have more information and
we've heard from more people um to make appropriate changes because it's a big deal to change bylaws um I think the more urgent need is the education and enforcement as we've kind of said over and over again and I think we can make an impact excuse me an impact this year
um looking at that um keeping in mind the concerns that um Judy has raised and I think Jen has raised as well um and on that point um couple of things I think it would be interesting for us to look at that map
that Tom sefor put together one time at the very beginning of our um meetings that kind of showed the lake and showed um you know we I don't I had never seen it laid out that way but it had some distances on it it was a great Visual
and I I don't know if that would help inform the the the discussion about the swimming areas and the distances and all of that um I think it would might be helpful for us to look at that maybe um I don't know if we have time today but maybe at our next
meeting yeah no I don't don't disagree with that at all and then maybe one last little thing because we were on signage we were on signage and I made a note um if people who have rafts would be willing it would that would be an interesting spot if if um maybe lwa
could manage um um confirming the distances but if a a small sign with just 70 feet or 75 feet on a raft that would be an additional visual for people for for boers for
swimmers for everybody going by and going around the lake to use yeah that's good good comments Judy well for just wanted to say that from what I understand the state beaches
and our beaches are marked at at 75 fet and that's what we have on our bylaws current bylaws that the boys are at 75 ft Mark do you know what the uh what lwa
has done in the past are they measuring these what more do you know about the about that the buoys that marked the lateral borders of the swim Zone were measured to be uh 75 fet from Shore there's small
buoys along the rope and then a bigger buoy out at the end that big buoy is supposed to be 75 ft barring somebody having change the length somehow whether if it's cut and shortened or you know people add to it I don't know I haven't
inspected them in years um and then the the swim Zone buoy that is the single tall buoy um out in front past the um the raft is supposed to be at 150 ft back when we were when I was installing
them we were actually measuring that 150 ft uh from the shoreline but again we we talked about this before I don't know who's verifying that anymore uh I mean it seem it's a community effort to put
them out um the the lateral markers should be 75 unless somebody has actually physically altered them but the 150 could be eyeballed by people for all I know um so that would need to be verified what that actual distance is
but that was the intent that that was 150 ft yeah it's my understanding that the uh those are put in by volunteers so I don't know who who's doing them nowadays or how they're getting put out there I know I've out there in the past
before and I think it's been more the eyeball than it's been a uh you know a very specific measurement you know I mean you got to get a tape out there and do that type of work so Dave go ahead da Just Dub tail on that that um my neighbor Walter terate and then the
pages across the street put the put the WRA and the buoy out every year and I know Walter he measures it he puts the big buoy out to 150 he measures it out he they do I watched him do it great okay great so
but that's just them I'm just saying but that's kind of how it's done now so there's no official process anymore Matt and how far how how close can a boat come to that buoy which kind of goes back to uh Judy's original question um at this point from what I
hear I'm not too sure I hear it can come right to it and skip right by it or it needs to be 150t away I don't know the answer to that I I think this is where we need to if we can get the environmental police officer to come on out and clarify this stuff we can go back and forth about it all day but the
reality is none of us is the expert um and I think we do need that outside advice on on how they are interpreting uh the laws that they are enforcing so Matt I again if if we can possibly get him on one of these meetings or maybe we
generate a list of questions I think that's probably the best thing to do is we come and I got this one written down obviously already to kind of get some more clarity and clarification I'd rather hear from the police official versus again we can all read and interpret things a lot of different ways
so I think it's best to try to get that get that from them Kathy you had your hand up there go Kathy go ahead yeah I did and I lost my train of thoughts so go ahead with the others who have their hands up sorry R anyone
else okay Jennifer has her hand up yeah I know I was trying to let M make sure that our committee had the first opportunity we've had a lot of you know commentary in the past but I'll we are running up against the hour too I don't know what do you think Dave do you want to keep going or you want to call it for
today I don't see any reason why we need to continue the discussion any further if we have meeting on the 26 I mean you do have two people with their hand up give them a shot and then we you call it right yeah give them a shot I'll do it but I'll try to trunk it it I gotta keep it quick because I've got another
meeting to go into no offense to any I'm sorry appreciate that goad Jennifer please okay I'm just gonna say that um the state law is confusing for the following reason they've divided the distance rules into two places so I'll
bring your attention to there's one place where it's called safe speed and distance regulations this is the one that was referred to about 150 feet from shorelines and 75 feet from floats and
markers there's another whole section called Headway speed it's a different section of the state law and in Headway speed it says 150 ft from a swimmer clearly I'm reading it right
here under Headway speed it says 150 ft from a marina ramp raft or float it's under the section called Headway speed and there's another one that says Headway speed when within 150 to 300
feet of shorelines used as swimming areas so so we need I mean you guys are on the committee you're talking about how to educate if you're trying to highlight different parts of the state law
those things people on the lake don't know them even though they're in the state law so I'm just bringing your attention there are two sections one is called safe speed and distance and the other is called Headway speed and check it out and you're that's great um those
details so thank you for giving me time I'm not even on the committee but I thought was a point of clarification that was important thank you thanks Jen those are that I'll bring that up when I when I get a chance to when we get a list for the folks with the EP I can ask that
question and see if they've had any other experience because I'd be really curious on how they do that on the river if you think about our Lake as a giant oval and it has a lot of distance between you know across the lake when you go in the river it's narrow and
there's sections of the river that's 150 ft there's a swimmer then that means you can't have a boat and we all know that that's not the case right so I don't know you know so I think these laws somewhat contradict one another um and I think there's a lot of gray area and I
think it's all around you know being I've also seen other bylaws I've seen other um recommendations for other other Lakes where they they they put you know whatever is you know not Reckless right I mean they have different kinds
of terminology that they put in as recommendations to like at you know acceptable safe distances within the lake or I've seen other terminology and I look some of that up I have a bunch of it written down and I'll see if I can bring that next uh next meeting I that
might be a way to emphasize that on our signage as well too Mark go ahead um you just because we are now at 7:32 and I know Dave has another meeting to go to so I would like to make a motion to adjourn okay well we had another person
another public person with their hand up can we just give them I thought we we told them a chance out of out of respect for Dave I wanted to at least you know throw that out there because I know he said he had to get into Rob do you have a two-in or do you got a 10-min less than two minutes go for
first thanks to Jennifer for pointing out the two different laws secondly I'm a kayaker I'm in favor of putting out buoys at 150 ft but if you do that you may be
creating uh a zone that is 75 ft or 150 F feet extended from that where only Headway speed is allowed so it may be one of these cases where damned if you do damned if you
don't that and the the end of day we want everyone to be safe around this L the other thing you said what about a river you said he can't have a boat that's not true you have to make Headway speed only yeah I appreciate that and I
I'll just leave one one thing then we'll go to the we'll see if someone some second marks motion I think one of the biggest things thank you you're good you're welcome thanks Rob um one of the biggest things I think we need to do too is I mean we have a lake wild Association as well too don't we don't
want to forget about that a lot of this is you know we need to talk as a community too of what's smart for our Lake and we have lots of laws and we can read lots of different interpretations but there's a lot of things that we can do with just you know camaraderie and in
a Harmony of our own Lake folk um I know like you know even like the water skiers they have a Unwritten rule that they don't go out until 8 A.M and they technically could be out at Sunrise so I mean there's things that we can do as a community that are just respectful with
one another I think more of that conversation is something I'd like to just talk more about as education like for example if I'm going to be out I'm gonna water ski at 8: a.m. and I see Jen's going out swimming and she's going to be she has her float and she's going to go out swimming at the same time when
we all want this calm water because you know it's a it's the best time to be out well for me personally if I see Jen's going out I'm like hey Jen's out let's keep an eye open for her you know what I mean so there's a lot of it that's around just cordiality of of knowing our
our friends and family around the lake and saying hey and if we know that hey Jen's goingon to swim every day at 800 am. and I'm going to be out there at 8 a. I'm going to be looking for Jen because I care about people and I think that's something I think we've lost a little bit of guidance on in this committee or just in generality a lot of
people talking it's let's talk about just being social with one another and understand what other people's likes are what they're doing or when they want to go or is there like hey there's going to be a kayak Club that's going to go out at two o'clock on Saturdays let's all keep an eye on out for them because there's going to be three four of them that want to go out together and we know
they're going to be out there let's watch out for them you know let's let's watch each others back and let's get less around all this you know let's get down to like you know black and white I mean to me it's I love the Lake Community I love the people around the lake and I want people to be safe at all times that's people that are visiting
the lake people that live at the lake I don't care who they are and I'd love to see us kind of think more about us as an overall group in a in a you know Community including the the broader Community the people that come to Lake and you know come and enjoy this beautiful resource we have and I'm kind
of at that point where I I really want to see more of that and less of the you do this I do that it's like no I want everyone to be safe and that's the stuff I want to get across and if we can put stuff on education and recommendations that talk about that that's what I'm for and I'm going to leave it with that for
tonight and I'd love to talk more about that when we uh come back on the 26 thank you Mr chairman save that speech for March 26 motion I'm gonna second that motion to adjourn the meeting all right let me go down the
roll call here and we'll get a uh get that locked down so brail brael I bra lean hi RL hi Rivers hi Salvador hi sefort not here wind caller hi and Matt
I thank you everyone thanks everybody we'll talk to you soon thank you thanks Matt thanks all bye