recording in progress. >> Okay. >> Okay. So we I got Beautiful. Here we go. So we start off with the meeting by introductions. Um at the Tower of Bart
Her and Howard is here and I guess John Kinder is also here. I am remote. We have our team. Uh and there's nobody else ready to get in at this point. So I'm ready to start. That's okay with everybody.
And so we're opening the meeting up while we view the agenda. Public comments uh future minutes from September. Um an update uh on the
foil in the lake on dam activities, update on random road maintenance, update on impement dam management. Uh and then at the end of it we still have resolves can be membership thing the definition can be members and then
anything having anything that's reasonable to everybody and art u can you hear me when I'm talking at my book at my notes? >> Yeah. Yeah. The um the transmission's a little fuzzy. I think from now on I'm
going to make it in person because I mean I can almost make out all of what you're saying, but it's hard. >> Sound really good. Uh so uh
So uh any public comments right uh I sent out the minutes uh twice I think um any comments or corrections to the minutes that that anyone noticed motion accept
Second, wait. So, uh, all in favor of accepting the minutes as written. So, Tom, >> I >> Walter, >> hi. >> Howard, >> hi. >> Hi. >> Yes. and
>> I >> Okay, >> I don't want a picture. >> I think you should. >> Three tables. >> Yeah, I don't know what the best uh table configuration is.
>> Yeah, it's catching all of us. So, it's in just Ky audio. Maybe we have to >> closer. Yeah, I think we have way have to be closer to the microphone up there. But >> where's the microphone? >> I think it's around. >> But it's only
Okay. >> Yeah. >> Explain things. >> Yeah. What if they get like a wireless or just long doing sound? Yeah, I do like how the top.
>> Yeah. Um, it's a little tricky for me because I still had a line when I when I talked to Brendan about it. It's and they said, "Oh, it's it's all automated." And but I still had a log on as the host for my computer to get it to
work. I think if you go down to the bottom, help me set up your meeting to co-host mention maybe. >> Okay, that is easy. >> Okay, that's easy. I can show you how. Okay, that's good. I think that works
out well. All right. Um, we have a lot agenda, but we don't have a lot a lot of updates on this. Um, so report item five on the agenda, which is a discussion of the inbased plans for oil that's been reported. Um, I
tried to contact tried to contact Tilson's and they never got back to me. Um, I made contact Sharon Smith who put me in touch with the or maybe the people at the state level DCR pay attention to
stuff. Uh I haven't heard back from them yet either. So I haven't actually haven't heard from anybody who's actually seen so I don't actually know where it is. um as and uh and I think once they'll dry out post shore you know
kind of it's one way of managing freeze in the winter time we only go down two feet doesn't really I'm not sure where where it's got spread to so we do some more research to try to find out where it is we know much about it as it grows
from the bottom oh it's just near the surface we know what it looks like I what it looks like. It's um >> you know a spanky thing with like
um the person who reported it and it's one building a new house that probably Okay. native father was a native >> I don't know her family
to actually look at that photo it was passed on DCR confirmed the identification of God see that reminds me you sent me the picture of Yeah. >> And did I did I respond to that? >> No.
>> Um I I my husband's son said there's a I can't remember word for it right now. I didn't meet last time but it is perfectly normal and something I'll find. That's
my >> Okay. Besides >> Yeah. Right. So the sphere net when was diving to clean out trash there was
white blobs down trash and it was disturbed was didn't know what they were and so and so I put a picture of it says casual marist identified
I didn't catch that. Did you say somebody's trash cans >> in the trash? >> Oh. Oh. Oh. >> So in the trash was pulling all the trash up top. There was throwing white gloves. >> I really like the trans.
These are really white. >> This is a briazolan. >> Yeah, >> briosen. We have a few different species in eastern North America. Think we bri it out. B R Y O Z O A N. And the the
species I think is E C T A C T I N E L L. And he says they are normal. >> Actually, they filter. >> I think they do. Yeah.
>> We have more your fingers too. >> No, I find them a lot of public. >> Okay. Um so at this point I don't have any more thought by it milo and
uh I'll try to contact that house and uh contact information go from there that makes sense everybody
and I also make I contact the people see if they if they've actually saw this or take on. Next item is DM activities. Um it seems like we've been kind of both from the communication but the damn activities
seems like alias is communicating directly with GCA. I know they're working on the scope of contract scope that's they have funding for it state give us
u 75% then the CPA funds gave us 25% something like that ratio and uh some previous minutes and u uh so it's just moving along uh I every month I said gone the project manager and I asked any
updates and there's she said no politics and it's fine. But then I talking to Haley and she put a lot of me scheduled with the so I mean we ran with it for a long time when Becky was here uh because she was
kind of overwhelmed I think and then uh and so we just applied for funding and we just basically got it and going and uh instead uh in the old days we just ran with stuff u and
And it sounds like Hilly's I have a feeling that Hilly's running stuff. So I'll I'll check with her you know what's going on back supposedly everything is in place but so
what's what has to happen next is they completed scope of the project and send it out for bids and we know how much money and we go she'll get the bits. Um and uh we know what money needs and u
apply for uh uh same two funds that we apply for work u small dam uh fund and uh and hopefully we'll get funding get repairs done next fall.
It would be nice to get in the loop after all this is done. I know it's nice to see somebody take off one that have the power to do that contract but is still like
all our work is just forgotten about sure doesn't get forgotten about that was kind of my you know I felt that our goal was to just keep it moving along >> and not get forgot about funds attend
the meetings and we continue to do So that's about it for me. Um Randle Road matrix uh basically my my dog was running back one side and
you know the leaves are off to the so it literally took me 10 minutes. So anything was getting people to work around and so I'll just push you back. Yeah, I won't go back to the original
guess. Um, but I'll certainly get just as stuff back. >> We talking about just to the right to the right. just yeah not change the
right anyway at the right on the left side looking at the lake and uh and stay on the right side by talking to be out there for a while going back to where the old sign I'm probably not going to go back to the
sign because there's some pretty goodiz trees and so I was just doing stuff like and rarities to do before they got to the point where brushes turn into trees. So they're just sat right now. So,
really easy to do. And if there's some that are really out there, you know, smaller ones are like 2 in chop it up. One of those chainsaws. So, uh, it's basically I think that's under control though. Um, I still go
down there with Terry Smith when the water's finally down and see if we can get a better visual of what's out under the water. Uh, for because I've got reports of some some of the boats have a hard time getting out. There's a drop off.
I didn't have any problem getting out. I'll go ahead in a couple weeks when things are settled down and uh see if see what can be done effort to improve that con said that they will help do the tent
you know really has to go to the tent because it's not in the wild. It's definitely kind of brush outside concerned about that even though it's from the summer. U just brush uh but so
under closer look. So right now the b is still on. It's not like can't get in, can't get out. Do you still get in? Oh. Oh. With the water lower. No, I probably There was some boats out last week.
There's some fishing boats out last. So, but yeah, so I was referring to Lake to get out. Um, how are we doing blowing the lake? How are how are you doing?
Okay. So, we're at the two feet now. And that's keep us. So you all repeat some waterfall. >> Yeah, that's the other thing. It could
go lower if you don't get some. Uh I would say I'll be able to go 36. just >> if you had my 36 train and we opened it
wide I think a couple days we had seven if you operations manilations in there you have to know how just coming in. So if and the easiest way to
do that is there's a a water flow meter if it's still working west branch to swift river and Bill Elliot had calculated that you know water supply to death versus the water supply waterhed to the lake the lake is about half that
so we think that being divided in half that's cubic feet per second the lake figure out how much opening goes out and I think it is open 4 in above what you know the mean
steady rate is lower so many 24 hours so it really depends on coming instead I was just wondering I mean I guess if you're already substantially lower the leg at 4 in you know that's 36 Just one of water
just across. >> Well, 4 in is not >> it could be today but not tomorrow. >> Yeah, >> you know the lake doesn't go like this. >> Yeah.
>> 4 in the top. You better slow it down fast. Yeah. No, we just had somebody else join the meeting. Um, this says iPhone
and you're muted right now, but just have you have all the records correct? Just yourself. about maybe that's somebody. >> Yeah, I just admitted somebody called
Eiffel. All right. So, next thing on the agenda is uh for us random road maintenance and things going smoothly there. Uh next item is the u management uh of lake
road. Anybody have an update on that? So, as of well, past this week, uh, I got a text to Dave saying they tra the beavers and, uh, I still see the beaver traps out there. So, I'm suspecting that they
are trying to look for trap more beavers before ripping the dam out. Uh, whoever put the traps in obviously took two to parts of the beaver dam out. So, on each side, fluid is down. So they probably dropped the level there by foot and a
half probably foot in the there is still a lot of debris in the cer still you know is it possible it's going to plug up this again now but there is a
chance you know get a lot of rain that is still 50% plug just because the level is below the below the below Beaver, >> but Dave was saying that he has
led us to air and I know he wanted to get the onream big rocks and fill Yeah, I think should come up with a plan.
>> Well, be future. >> Well, we did it in the past. Hillary all said is all things that I told I'll tell you if they take it in the
past and took the dam out in the spring and pull brush out. She went along very quick. It was still a big deal. Still carrying enough to the whole thing and then Tim would come down when we had
a file taking it away. Sooner or later they just get discouraged and they'll start again every time I start. So they start the ladies and they see she start but it's better to get them sooner
rather than later because too long now they got another family you're in our area up so before when you were just pulling it out they didn't travel. >> No,
right just the time that he in the middle of the didn't even know he was there. The father drew the lake down and drove by one day and it's down here and it's up over here. Something's gone someplace. Yeah, the
dam right somebody said you can't trap beavers out of season and that's not true. The state has people that go through a special course and they're the ones that they're the only ones that can do this.
They came and it's an expensive paid a lot of money for half about two or three probably about so pulling out of the brush from the
beginnings of the beaver dam does I've heard mixed things on if you need to permit uh the conservation They want to absolutely have to special >> even if just like one beaver drag one stick across. >> No, but you know when it turns into an
actual dam permit but what happens if the sticks have only been there for say less than a week or it isn't going to come down back sticks. >> Yeah. It's my understand. >> Well, I think Bob was left there last
week. Bob explained the process the if you don't get the right permits get fine, heavy fines, but Catherine here the board of health issues permits. >> But so does Cong has anything to do with it.
>> Oh, they do. If it's a breach or a waterfall or any comp this week because she gave an update at the select meeting on Tuesday night about the beaver video saying what Lenny said or somebody said
the video is going to have the le excavator. Well, I talked to Bren that's involved that was first year and then I guess the plan is to I of course collaborate but have a memorandum of understanding with the
camp Anderson people where they will monitor it and I think they're going for the approach of bring material >> you know theoretically They last for 10 days, but uh they told us right over a period of weeks and months,
>> but that they were going to starve and then cover and work so that they >> right >> that'll be Yeah, I know also
we only about 10 ft past. >> Yeah. Yeah. whe I haven't heard if they found any and also they're talking about beaver to see I don't think some beaver seed bridge to have a beaver to singer
you got to have a dip that goes through the dam itself it's out shape and it comes Um, it has to be probably at least 20 ft away from the bear. So, the beavers have a hard time
finding it. And, uh, it has over >> they have spring. They have flown what they call flowing devices is when we put a fence up that's funn I've said this before I don't know if it's any good or not they'd be allowed
fencing they could put a fence in from the left side and where the wing wall is out to the island from the island over to where I beloved a 20 foot space, then start the fence
again and go over to the right side of the where you walk. And uh the only time you leave that 20 foot base open is in the summertime when they're launching boats. Beavers aren't going to drag
branches all the way around the fence and try to get in in this narrow spot. That's their time to change. >> I don't know if there's a problem for building just
>> Well, that's the other thing. Even with fences, you're going to have to clean them at least every few years. Not only that, the stuff that flows out. Yeah. What was that one in Port
one out there? The guy doesn't play it. Lots of stuff out there. That's one of the That's another one. See, it seems like the past the easiest to remove. >> Yeah, that's what we used to try to do.
And uh it's well it's a thing that fire departments have to do. They gota they can't wait until damage putting the blood in here. They're going to have a hard time
getting it out. that one they had to take down by 10 bricks. So I understand how many barist they're putting the budget funding to take care of this patch that's my understanding was so it's it has
visibility around town so they move in the right direction but a little disappointed that they didn't either Walt or myself to the beginning.
had even they had a meeting with the conservation I think this >> uh emergency night quite a few people involved I It's kind of all right. So if we hear
about any more meetings like that I was aware of the means. Yeah, there is some sink holes formed and they'll highway fill them up, but you know, having like 3 ft of water push against the whole roadway there. Um,
I'm not an engineer, but I mean holes next to the road. Uh, one of the guardrail posts, I mean, the fell all the way down and like literally one of the guardrail posts was almost floating in the air. So I got a picture of
somebody standing in the sink below something like here on a small guy. So >> they didn't feel >> Yeah, they did feel that. It's just like So there definitely is water flowing to me. Water flowing under the road is like
big enough. So it's a hole straight in that Tim found that causing that in it up here. Were
you at a meeting with the grant people administrator supposedly there's meeting with board of health department >> wasn't that meeting that was several weeks ago. >> Yeah. I don't know like were you meeting with
Yeah. I don't know if it's besides that when she started off. No, the one I can show you to try to drive the wheel. That was deep. >> Oh,
yeah. Right here. >> Oh, yeah. And then afterwards when they filmed this, you could see like the the cigar post I think it was over here because it was another area. You can see like all the materials just disappeared in the host,
>> you know. I mean, that doesn't happen like really anywhere else in town, you know. So, it's like, well, something's going on of the soil and what's changed. I mean, I know there was a sink hole in the roadway several five
years ago. >> That's why >> Yeah. >> 3T of water pushing on a roadway doesn't help. Even if it's even if that happens normally, you know, we're add an extra 3 ft of water and all that. It's got to
find worms. >> Yeah. So far up that higher cutting cutting trees now. There's two of them near the road here. One of them fortunately it looks like it's leaning out towards the water and they cut in.
It's probably about the tree is probably about like that and he got in over there about this much. And then he started on another one on the other side. The other one on the other side is leaning towards the road. But they just started
I didn't check it. >> They just taken the bark off on the other side. So that's essentially how to kill the tree. >> Well, yeah. And the fall >> and the uh well root systems to the
trees hold things together too. So all this to me water pushed against the road trees getting down. Anybody already mentioned work the administrator said that I think next
year they're going to try to get a plan in place. I don't know if we fix the green walls. Yeah, >> I didn't know that >> cuz if you look on the down screen, one of them already fell.
>> Yeah. >> The other one the other one is bulged out behind stone. So >> and just water get replaced >> 20 years ago, 30 years ago.
on both ends. >> No big size and it's good and strong. It's not the C. I wouldn't worry about the cover itself any damage the cover. It's water going, you know, through the the wing
walls going around over the, you know, just and now that you're getting into cold water weather that high freezing and bowing of just ice has tremendous power and it's just it'll just tear the walls apart. Next thing you know,
they're falling down. Then that does allow water. >> Yeah, that's right. lower the damage in the water behind the other walls. They're a little extra
build up like the side of the road that faces this road. engineering building walls be I guess talking about instead of Just like once at least
important thing is that there's visibility there. It's being done. We wasn't meeting with you six months ago. So everything's going right our jobs
things out that needs to be maintained. Tell me more about the cover. Um next item is the show. We have two items really there. One is uh very retired.
He has to work Saturdays now and he got a new job for promotion. So he's working more salaries. Um and so we need to get someone to fill his position. Mary David volunteered. I'm not sure how she knew
that Davis neighbors found to u I suppose that show the process if we change his vote if we get a majority so it was >> he has to be
>> yeah well but I think we have we have we vote first >> yeah Um very used to be on committee as a member from um but still on the floor for discussion
with this she >> definitely has experience on Friday used to Um, >> I move that we recommend that there. >> Um, so I guess
is planning an official member of our committee. >> Yeah, he's a he's on as the emergency management. So doesn't already not sure how it works. I know um Walter has been on the committee when we when
we was on Walt represent um right now we have it >> if we have an achievement number it makes it rais tomorrow 11
for Walter stand committee said that's the most expertise you know maintain >> I mean right now like it was 12 >> yeah I don't think charter 12 I thought this chart well I think we can have well
let's let's look at the charter then I think is our next and what happened. See, I think it see See if I can find out if I somehow shift.
Yeah, I tried I tried a couple of steps to help learn successful happy second. Yeah. 2017 it was set at 11. >> Yeah. And so the question is we want proposing.
So let me see if I can share my screen here. in here. And so this is not official. This is just the versions that came up from I think we discussed at the last meeting. Um you
know so in C white you the original the original charter that that changed when our W joined the committee we were at 11 and now we're we're uh we're proposing here we have a member from the select board which is our member from KCO which
would be spa board of health, Katherine Plunners, the emergency management director and Howard Tim and additionally a minimum of three and a maximum of five members for the
Lakewell Association. Um and it'll be in Tom Adam's concern that um you know like I said I had to kind of show Tom's concern was it and in the original scope that that I back in there was the idea that
committee membership the last line may also put additional property owners who might lend technical expertise. So the question is where do we go from here? If we want to add in uh could add in Walter U because
of this expertise for the dam make and it's activities dam and whatever we do we have to propose it and send it off to select a word for their their blessing. Uh any comments?
If we got 11 now 11 now without going to solve it like John does as a building I would that's what it comes to Um I guess yeah if that's that's okay.
Uh well we so we have two options here. One is having replace Dave also to replace him with Mary. Uh the other option is to is that Walter continues to come to the meetings as a guest John does as assistant D keeper.
Um >> so I I don't understand what under what there is memory. Yeah. >> So you need another member.
>> Um I don't think we necessarily need another member. I mean uh Arch here is you know he's a member of large he also represents the the association um he feels the association on what's
going on here I don't want to dictate what's go >> well right now on the table a minimum of three and a maximum of five Yeah, we have again we have four of I think one place to start is just the
number and u current charge says the max number of people right and u I think it's just wise to have a set number of seats because then you know how to calcate forum and whatnot so I think that's one
question is will the committee decide whether it's going to be 11 or 9 or seven or 13. Usually it's an odd number, but um I think just starting there is a good idea. Um and then filling in those
spots with the different rules is pretty straightforward. But this leaves it open to be a committee of maybe nine or 11 depending on that three or five part and I don't understand if the additional property owners to bring it above another number there. So I
would recommend at least just starting off and then go from there about filling it in >> and perhaps you could then do as I think does now have so part of the role
voting rights or so could be that and We're saying David on we at 12. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Okay. Oh yeah, they should have added that. I think
>> I guess >> you're right. He should not attendance that I wanted to suggest as well. Uh right there I know planning I didn't know that associate planning
>> I guess >> I was wondering >> but what's also interesting is the uh what they call the community preservation committee uh they have representatives from coming board And
there's another group. Yeah. But we might want to say one member from X or their design. Um because just as an example now the planning board representative on which committee is not actually planning board member they were
designated by the select board just fill that role for the planning board. And so after all of those it might just be or you could have a separate session since none of these still the final board nominated
designate. Um I wondered if we would consider putting uh after Dankeeper anywhere in the list one member from the board of the LA for their designate that's how it was done the storm water task force and the
voting safety committee and that satisfied representation from LWA said do you have any minimum three maximum numbers from a label association. >> Yeah. I thought so and okay so an
entailment of the suggestion that we have one member from the LWA designate then we wouldn't need to mention LW again um because another entailment of having it this way is that
this committee is not open except people listed in the one west doesn't become available to anybody very publicly patient anywhere interest
I think the original concept was that there's three or five members the LWA to have um you have proportional representation whereas whereas the members at large are in fact the you know the the select board conelf
for their desk >> but those by definition are at large but at large means just no affiliation >> but if we put in here or destin somebody else >> but it's still not an at large member
at large means that there's no like >> yeah so this excludes a lot of the general public the way it's written here that could be that um my opinion is that it's very important
to have representation really are deeply involved with the lake and and u not to have not that people who have no involvement committ
which I don't want to eliminate three to five members here we add people and add an added member from the town if we wanted to do. I guess that's that's not a possibility. Um, but I think it's critical that we have appropriate u
representation from members of the lake association specifically also because of the historical perspective. Why are things the way they were? Guys like like John John Ry Howard who have been around for
generations. no other historical values or historical reasons that are deeply evolved. Yeah. I mean obviously people who don't know LW members can still be involved like that.
>> Yeah. Contribute to the conversation. So I just mean yeah I mean that would work without opening it to the public generally there could be a problem. So I'm worried about well public can attend these meetings. I mean it's been public and
>> I mean to the public for maybe Uh okay. So what else do you want to just table the discussion until our next meeting and uh I will
modify this a little bit here and can we have a discussion here and um >> should I withdraw >> that's probably a good idea till we until we get >> I don't want to like not vote for her
Thomas said number of people number is and respirate this to everybody and give me your thoughts and
we'll go from there and be we'll fill them up. April will discuss this next meeting. Does that compare to everybody? >> Yeah, this target specific number. All right. So, I'll circulate this out
to everybody next day in a couple days then uh then we can go from there. I see. Um, all right. Uh, let's see where we are.
Uh, we're at anything else that we any items not reasonably anticipated prior to the meeting. I do have one historically we don't meet in December because it's close to the holidays and is a real cake with me in
June. So that's kind of forever because so we got next. So we need a motion to end the meeting.
So um second uh still 11 meeting for today. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> How? >> Yes. Walter.
>> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Bob, >> yes. >> I think that's all >> thank you for and we'll see you in
January. next few holidays. So, January 17th either here or we'll be online as always. Okay. Thank you guys very much. Do you
want me to show you what planet actually let's keep it going. Just I'll stop. >> Yeah. I'll just end everything and I'll just I'll show you where I start. Okay.
>> Okay. Stand the meeting. Take care everybody.