Okay. Ah, good morning everybody. Thank you. Thanks for coming to the meeting. Uh uh start off with just introductions of who's here. Uh uh we have John here John Kinder, our guest, assistant dam keeper,
Walter Gory Lens here representing the EMT now. Uh, we appreciate that. Catherine's here. Howard's here, and Mark is here in public online. We have Bob Douglas, Eric Stalker, and Eric.
Uh, so we're officially open to meeting at about 9:03. Uh, I'll review the agenda, which is, uh, first, can everybody hear me? Okay. Things are a little different here. the the AV permit is a little bit different
now and the room setup is a little bit different. So if you can't hear anybody talking up and we'll you know because the microphone is far away from everybody and it's the way we're set up. All right. So as far as the uh I'll
review the agenda. Uh then we'll open up for public comments. Uh we're going to review the minutes from the May and July meeting. Uh we'll have a discussion about the committee membership. um and uh and look at the the makeup of the
committee. Uh hopefully we'll have an update on the invasive plants that were identified in the lake which was a mil foil. I'll give everybody update on the current dam activities which are all very positive. um discussion about
Randle Road maintenance, an update on the fever jam and activities around uh Lake View Road, and then anything we uh did reasonably anticipate. >> Is there seem reasonable to everybody? >> Yep.
>> Yeah. >> All right. So, the first we'll do is public comments. Is there any? >> There is. Okay. I'll turn the floor over to John. >> All right. I think as everybody knows there's a marker down at the u the Lake
View Culver that Howie uses to keep track of the lake lift that we installed a few years ago. It had become nonfunctional uh due to last winter I guess up he did moved it around. So I just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge to say
thank you to Mark Rivers and to Walton Tibbitz for their considerable effort in uh getting the craft down there. first of all uh and Walter wheeled me a sledgeham chamber and we repositioned it and made it functional again. So I
thought it should be acknowledged and we should say thank you to people who may not know what was on behind the scenes. So just a just a thank you for that. You're welcome. >> And for those of you who have never been in the cove, the weeds are unbelievably
chaotic. The only way to get through that coke now or to get up near the the culvert is with ores and use them as pulls. >> Yeah, it was offense style. >> Uh the motors were useless. Both the trolling motor and the regular motor was
virtually useless. Um as a matter of fact, having the motors on in some case made it harder to realize the motors were down and just just cooking on the weeds. So it's it was a it was an interesting little project. I learned a lot about going up in the cold.
>> Now you know what it was like years ago. >> Was it? >> Yes. That whole area was good. All right. Thanks, John. All right. Um, any other public comments?
Uh, let's uh take a minute and uh review the minutes of the uh of the May meeting. And I sent them out to everybody that I send and uh uh was there didn't know any corrections they was that's the August one. I did a lot
of the reprint out the May one because I kind of printed out all I didn't really change that much. I just reformatted it and uh and added some I added Tom's comments incorporated his comments. So um you know the essence of the minutes was say
and I have two cops of the July minutes here. >> Do we need to read the the main meeting? >> Yeah. >> I'll make a motion that we uh approve the May minutes as we written.
>> Second. >> Okay. so forth. I have a motion to second to approve the May minutes. Uh and so we everyone's ready to do a vote on it. Uh
Howard. >> Yes. >> Catherine. >> Yes. >> You can you can still vote. Um I I can't go on. >> Okay, you can abstain. All right. Uh John, >> yes.
>> Wall. Uh Marcus. Yes. Uh Bob, >> hi. >> Eric, >> yes. >> And Art, >> yes. >> Okay. May are approved as as edited and distributed last week. Uh now we'll go
to the July minutes. I have a couple copies here. Um, so the big change there was I incorporated uh Tom's comments uh and his actual spreadsheet or his actual word document. I added as parts
of the minutes now. So um so you don't have to really look at those if you want. You just look at the the essence that you just missed. And again, I sent those out, I think, on Tuesday. >> Okay, if everyone's ready, we have a
motion to Oh, there is We have a motion to accept. >> So move >> and second. Oh, sorry. Any comments or discussions about the July minutes? Okay. So, let's have a vote to uh to
approve. Uh Howard, >> yes. >> Catherine, >> yes. >> Lenain. John. Walter. >> I'm going to stay because I was not at the meeting. Okay. Uh Mark is Yes. Um Bob. >> Yeah, I'll also abstain.
>> Okay. Uh and Eric abstain. I was just wasn't there, I don't think. Um and uh art >> I don't think I was there either. Abstain.
>> All right. So I don't think we have enough people can do we have we have a quorum in the room. >> Right. We have a quorum. The majority that were there voted to accept it. So
>> we're good. Everyone thinks we're we're good to go. >> We're good to go. Okay. And try to be very >> doesn't have to be a majority of the people voting. It has to be I believe it's just long as you've got a form of meeting >> the people that are voting.
>> All right. So, we have a no one is against it. So, we the motion passes and we're all set for that. And so, I'll send those off to uh I would have sent them off to Grace website. Um there must be someone doing Grace's job. There is
somebody doing inter. >> There is somebody doing inter but I think that um I think that Brenham administrative assistant doing I guess putting things on. >> Okay. I'll send it I'll send it to both him
and >> you can send it to the town clerks. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I would agree. I would agree. We should give them to him. >> Okay. Good. All right. Um committee membership. Um one change
we have is Dave Green has resigned from the committee. Um uh he's got he says his job title his job functions have changed. Hopefully he gets promotion. Uh but now he has he was worked most Saturdays and so he's you know he can't
attend the meeting. So he's resigning from the committee. So we need to get a replacement for him. Uh I did get a an email uh yesterday or day before from Mary David um uh who was interested in Joel getting back on the committee. Um,
and that's the only person so far that I have that's in sort of in the works. >> Mary D is not still. >> No, no, no. As a matter of fact, the email came from someone I Mary and I was
Mary. I kind of forgot because I had do some search my old emails to find out who that is. Um, see, so I think what we should probably do is uh is I'll put in the minutes the meeting that we have Mary's volunteers get on the committee and if we'll see if
there's any other volunteers between now and our next meeting and uh uh and if there is we'll as a committee vote for you know who we in person with Bill David spot. So at least we have somebody which is which is positive.
Um, I was kind of hoping that that, you know, we would get someone a little bit younger than than the average year, but that's okay. Okay. All right. Okay. Um, any any comments or any other
suggestions for replacements for Dave? >> Did he What was Who was he representing? He just >> he was he was technically he was me representing originally was representing the the association. He was you know one
of the five people that are members of the association or you know interested lake res basically. Um I'm not sure if he's still on the the Lake Oil Association. Uh but it's as long as we stay under five right now
I think we you know we're okay. All right. And so if anyone has any notes of anybody else who wants to be considered, you'll send me a note, but we'll put on the agenda for now next meeting.
Okay, good. Now, at our last meeting, uh or last couple meetings, um Tom was concerned about the committee membership, the definition of membership. Um and so he wanted to make
some changes to it. And so I put together this. I was originally said we're going to take the take the original ones, go back to the SLboard, and see if they agree. uh but my thoughts are is to really minimize it and get rid of semicolons and any word that is you know one could be confused
by it. Uh so I came up with this which is essentially the same membership that we have. But first is every can everyone see this and is large enough to read >> just barely. >> We can make it bigger. >> We can do we can do better.
>> Could you share screen Mark? >> Ah okay good. I didn't realize I have to do that. Thank you very much Bob. All right. So, we're going to go to Zoom and uh we're going to share this. >> That's great. Thank you. >> That's good. Thanks.
>> I'm sorry. Sorry about that. Thanks for Thanks for letting me know. All right. So um so the the proposed committee membership definition that I've come up with which is essentially identical except various poll oriented is that the
membership of the committee should include one member from each of the following which is the sled board con board of health planning board the emergency management director the damke keeper and then minimum of three members a maximum of five members of the lake
association This is this is good in in essence, but when you said one each member from the that works for the first four e I mean there's only one emergency management director my one day after
>> and so on. So that if you have one each from the from those boards or here how here's how to do it. Membership of the committee would include because you've got one member from each of these things. So just have pop a
colon after include it's going to be fine. >> Okay. I like that. So, I'll put that uh that can I don't think we need a a vote there. Um, how does that look to everybody?
>> That means at 06 you don't count in the lake association. >> No, there's still that's still an issue, but I don't really see Tom thought that was a big issue. Um, I don't think it is. being the reasons why is is um if if
they were to have a a discussion of something that you're we're conflicted with as as both gamekeeper and and member of the association, you can just refuse yourself from the discussion like like Kcon does when uh you know there's
a when one of the members is in a butter you know they don't have to get off the committee they just say oh you know I'm their butter and um and therefore I'm not going to vote for this I'm not going to have partic participate in the discussion. So I think there's a there's a clean way of handling that that that that
situation where there's a dual role. The only question I'd ask is is there what if someone's a member of the Lakeway Association and a select board member for example they count as a you know what I mean? Are we saying there's three additional
members and a maximum of five additional members or are we including members that could have two two roles? >> So my thought is that is that we're not including members that have two roles here. So if a if if you were also a
member of the select board and and member of the lake association, you're representing the select board and now representing the association. >> Got it. And and if there's a conflict and if we have a discussion that that is conflicting with your role as select
board and your role as a as an LS member or know as an association member, you would just recuse yourself, >> right? >> Just like you know you know you would do for any other any committee. >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
>> Bob, you have your hands up. Uh you're muted. I think you're muted, Bob. >> Thank you. Um yeah. Um, I guess my my thoughts are along the same line is that um with um many uh or
or several members of of the uh six people that are required um to be on the board being uh Lake Wyola Association members as well as possibly another five Lake Wyola Association members on the
board. Um, I'm not sure you're getting that full representation of the town's interest, which is to say people that necessarily are not within the the Lake Wyola sphere. So, um, uh, that would be my
only comment. Uh, I think, um, it does make it, uh, uh, kind of heavy on association members and, uh, and may essentially just kind of be an arm of the LWA. So that's I'm just voicing my
concerns. >> Okay. Thank you. Um >> well that certainly goes back to the original the original stipulation about the number of associations in in either case we just don't have clarity. I mean the the question is still in this
formulation the question is still open. Are there are those three to five members on the do they include the other members or do they be you need to make that explicit higher number? >> Okay. Um
let me let me try to reddraft that list and we'll bring it up at the next meeting. >> The other thing I could think of and it's only it's specific by position on this board. Yeah. Because originally I was on as emergency management director when I stepped down
to all that. >> You talked to the select board to have me on as a >> I forget what you call it, you know, because my historical knowledge and all of the >> right where this does not address any of that. So >> um
>> it's it's your choice. I can still come to meetings as a visitor if you want, just not a voting member. uh in the original scope of the meeting, the original thing uh definition back in '91, there was also a line that said uh
and other pe people who have specific technical knowledge. >> Okay. >> Um and we could certainly put that back in there uh because the you know there is we have a value when it comes to the dam of your knowledge of the the
operations of the dam, the trash rack and all that stuff. Um, so I'll I will put those both those things back out and be very explicit about um if the case where a board where a member of the first group is also avail
board memberships among those six or not. as part of the total >> I you know I'll I'll let you guys discuss that either. I mean I think I can't think of any discussion we have
ever had where the uh where the Damkeeper's interest uh was in conflict with association's interests and where he would have to refuse himself. I mean we're all kind of on the same page here. Um, you know, I think the the these this
group represents the town at large. Um, and you know, this group down here, the five three or five members represents people who are both uh who are particularly interested in the lake either environmentally, either fiscally because of the value of their their
properties, the house, they live nearby um in uh um in safety. I think yeah, you know, I I The thing is if if you include them you can seriously
you know reduce the number of people that are on the committee because if you look at it right now potentially conservation commission >> is at the lake board of health losses at the lake planning board member lives at the lake dam people lives at the lake so
you got four positions already now yeah >> and then if you want a representative like the the president of the association now you're maxed Well, so you can't have any other members and that can change as and they're and each
of those representatives were picked by the board that they represent. So, it's not like unless they're really saying I got to be on this board because I want to have say, um, you could reduce the amount of people that have, you know, a
say interest in that could be on the committee if you include all those positions if they happen to be a L member or even if they're not a member to live at the lake, people still look at that as the same. So,
it's just a slippery slope. Yes, that's why careful wording or approval or changing something in there might make it more clear. >> Uh would anyone be interested in giving a similar shot? [Music]
>> All right. How about those? I'll give it another shot and then I'll I'll distribute everybody and uh you know >> but but if you clearly state that if if the board if a representative of these boards having been chosen by that board is also an old you know
association member that their primary representation is of that board. We could actually do that with a single word additionally three members. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
In addition to these this member stated involved with additional three to five >> and it might be good to um to well and you can add the other thing about your special technical expertise okay or
whatever but also it might be good to to say that >> it's not necessarily one member from each of those boards but one member designated by each of those boards. So for example, if Mary wanted to get back on the committee, conservation
commission might designate her as their independent. She has the experience and they don't have as far as I know somebody else. >> Yeah, actually Bob was Bob. >> Oh, I'm sorry. My apologies. But um you know and um you know Howard
designated John if he to whatever you can keep it a little bit flexible. >> Okay. All right. I'll retract this. We incorporate these comments and I'll get it out to everybody again. We'll take
another look at our next meeting. That's okay with everybody. Sure. Yeah. >> Thank you. All right. So that any other comments or questions on committee membership?
>> Good. Let's go on to important stuff. No, not that this is important, but let's go on. And um u so the next thing we just save this and minimize that
and go back here and I got to end sharing I guess I can find out where >> you can just at the top the red button stop share. >> Perfect. Thank you. >> All right I'll I'll figure this stuff
out this. I appreciate everyone's help. All right. So, next item, item six on the agenda is a discussion of the or an update on the invasive plants, which I think is milo as found. Does anybody have any Catholic to get any information or art?
>> Very, very little. I asked attention um where it was found. It was found by somebody in Donna McCullum. I don't know who that is. Apparently, the east side, probably near you, right?
houses. Okay. Oh, right. Is the house that's being shamed there and apparently it was near and uh and there was also some concern about it being down by the boat launch, but it wasn't.
So, DCR is meant to be coming up studying the situation, but I don't think >> you don't think they're coming out. >> I don't think yet. Um, what would you have an idea of a contact at DCR that we could
know or you know I mean how did DCR get involved I guess is the question. Did the Timsons call DCR up or >> I believe so. >> Okay. >> Okay. I'm not exactly sure what to do at this
point. I think we just have to pay to evaluate. >> Okay. >> Um maybe if I if I can or do you have the Timson's email address or maybe I can send him a note saying
>> like I'll I'll send it to >> Yeah. and then just see if they anybody if they know if they're in the loop because this D milk can it can be a very nasty plant if it's allow if it's allowed to spread
just it really could change the entire nature of the lake. Any other questions about the milk foil update or invasive plant update? Bob's go on uh Bob's got a question. Yep. >> Yes. Thank you, Mark. Um, yeah, you
know, I work with four four different lakes um uh in in two different towns and uh um Lake Whale has been an awesome anomaly and that it hasn't had a tremendous infestation of miloil or a
dozen other different uh invasive plants. It's been great. I don't know what's kept it isolated this long, but it but but but it's wonderful. So, um, uh, just based on the experience with the other other ponds I've worked on, Bur Hill Pond, Haggett's Pond, uh,
Fosters Pond, um, that, uh, hitting hitting the invasives really hard, really fast is, um, is important. So, if um, uh, if there is just minor patches here and there, um, acting quickly can often
be good. And um I I I have no connection with this company at all. Uh Solitude is their name, but they do um uh control and reservoirs and other places like that. It might be worth having um them come out and take a look to assess the
problem. And you know, they're a business. They'll give you a figure for um uh uh controlling it. But uh it might be it might be worthwhile in our within the next year to have them come out and do an assessment.
>> U Bob, do you have a feeling how fast this spreads? Is this something that has to be jumped on this fall or is it something that's you know it's a kind of springtime project or next year project? Yeah, I I I think um probably starting
the conversation now is important because um it would give us an assessment and possibly budgeting and you know, it may be a town town uh community uh CIP type uh request or something along those lines. Um uh but
uh I think probably getting getting started in that uh making the contacts and and so on probably would be beneficial to take place over the fall and the winter. We won't see the spread of the plant during that time period, but just uh paperwork and bureaucracy.
This might be a good time to get a a jump on that. >> Thank All right, that's makes sense. Any other comments or questions? All right. So, I'll try to contact the Timsons and see if they have a contact
at DCR. Um, and uh I do have contacts at Solitude. There they send me emails once a month about, you know, managing lakes and you know, we never really needed them, but uh you know, maybe it is time. And your your comment about budgeting is very
appropriate. get estimates from them if they if they're the ones who are going to do it as opposed to someone in town. Um, you know, they if they can what they what they would char charge to eradicate the the milk or control it.
So, I think those are all great great suggestions. Anything else? Okay. Uh, next item on the agenda is update on dam activities and uh um you know right
now we have a a really good company called GCA who's taking over really all the responsibilities for the dam um and they're working really you know closely with the the town administrator um you know she's up to speed they're up
to speed uh and uh so right now what I think stands we we got the funding to do the scope of from the state and from CPA funds to define what needs to be done to repair the dam. And so they're going to start
working on that change order that uses those funds and they're working with the town administrator to get that scope completed and to get uh folks out or bid to get bids to do the actual repair work next year. Uh the intention is that
we'll the scope of work will be done within the next couple months and then those they'll go off for bids for the actual repair work. Um and really I'm kind of bing the loop a little bit these days. Uh I'm still in
the loop but not as much as I used to be. And there is I'm pushing the town administrator to kind of take over my role. Um, so if everything goes work well, we'll get the bids in SC. We'll get some of them locked down to do the
work ex uh and uh in in fall doing the actual work pending uh funding. We'll still need, you know, a couple hundred grand to do this work. Somewhere between 150 and 300 grand. And we'll know when we get the
bids. Um so uh we'll have to apply for more CPA funding from the town or for the town budget and uh another grant from the office of dam safety I think it is
but the GCA uh people felt strongly that because they gave us the money the 40 grand to do this to do the scope they're more inclined to give us the actual money to actually do the repairs. So
um so that's new. So look is going around you know it's moving for the first time in a while. Um any questions on the reactor repairs of the dam? No comments. >> Okay. Um, GCA's all this fall is also
going to start working with the town administrator to uh work on the permitting process for the 2027 loy time to protect the dam. Um, the last time we did that, we we got the notice
of intent and the worrisome conditions. I did all the work, but it's got it's gotten much more complicated, certainly beyond my skills. And so, the answer is you pay the pros to do it. uh and um they know the right buzzwords. They they actually applied for the state funding.
I did I did the CPA funding. they did the state funding and um and so it all you know worked out well and I'm we're fairly confident but optimistic that uh you know we'll get things will continue and and in 2027 when we need to permits
to lower the lake again um you know we'll we'll be able to get it but it's a slow much slower process now comments or thoughts on lowering the lakes Okay. Um, as John noted, it was I think was the
seventh of the month we we we fixed the the staff for the water level gauge. So, that's working now. Hopefully, it'll stay that way. And also that same day, um, Walter, John, and Howard clean the trash. And we have a little video of this uh that
that alternate. So, I'm gonna bring it up to show you. >> It's like I said, it's fairly long, but we The first part does definitely show you how bad the gate gets. And then if you want, you can skip to the end and
see what it actually looks like cleaned up. >> All right. So, I got to go share my screen again. And I'm going to go to the media player and share, right? And um I'm going to hit play and we'll see if if this all works.
Can everyone see the uh the video? >> Yeah. down what you're looking at that's on there including and those sticks had built up the gate. When was the last time >> different
sticks this time a few growing handfuls of sticks and all that. Then what we'll do is once we get it cleaned up enough like here how it opens about 4 in and we're able to just cut the
the old trash. >> There was never an incident with the old trash. This has only been since they put originally was made with just two steel bars going across and they used rebar which
um in an attempt to make it a little but it did sleeve all those um bars the rough bars hoping it would make it less sticky. Um, but the problem is the spacing is still
my fingers only about two fingers width between the bars. So they're very close. One of these will be cleaned off. >> Okay. I'm going to be coming back anyways. You skip a little bit more.
And really when it's that much higher you can open the gate and you're getting less water out through the sloo way as you do with a clean. So there's one there's one of the bars right there.
>> Even now it's so rusted and >> so one of the one of the projects. Yeah, we're that's what is that we should some years a couple hundred years never had to be cleaned and only since
you begin to fall in the fall you end up cleaning We've we've done it where like this and stay down and just kind of stir the area up. Not straight up and down. It went high enough
bar to bar. >> Yeah, I I started doing that. Um air pressure outside. I got I cut through the bottom with that one bar. It's held in by two bolts.
>> I don't know. >> One concern would be any in there. Do you think underwater? It's possible over the lake
up specifics. Why couldn't that Yeah, you attach it to the top, but why couldn't the bottom be >> the pipe further? So you could stick it in the sand and
>> that's wood right there. >> Yeah. as part of the retail project. This is something. Yes. And maybe >> Yes. this this Yeah. >> Pause this and we'll stop sharing. Any
questions or comments from anybody? I was wondering whether they belong. So go ahead. >> There there was two of those. There was some kind of egg sacks. >> I I I've never seen them there before. >> There's never never been anything built up like that on them. Unfortunately, one
of them got sucked down through when I was cleaning off the other one. I I I tried not to disturb it as much as possible, not knowing what it was. >> It didn't look like there was any eggs or anything. It just looked like it might have been just the remnants or something. Oh, >> I know. I don't know for sure.
>> Bob has a question. >> You know, more of a comment. I thought it was awesome to actually have hands-on videotape of the the rack itself and the clearing efforts. So, thanks very much, Walter. That was awesome. >> Yeah, I agree.
>> I figured it would be good because you you can describe it, but until somebody actually sees how much stuff builds up on there, >> I've got to do it. You know, I've been doing on the average of two to three times a year. >> We shouldn't have to do that.
>> Yeah. >> So, >> so is that on the sort of on the agenda for PC? >> Yeah, definitely. That's one of the things. >> Excellent. >> And in addition to that, um afterwards, we're having a little bit of trouble
with the gate itself is some of it is lubrication, but still it was it was didn't seem to be closing right and all that. So I actually went crawled up the slle from down below to the gate and there was a actual piece of firewood
>> that had gone through and wedged in the opening around the pipe where all the grout is missing. >> Okay. >> And it got jammed in there and up against the gate. So as you move the gate, it was pushing against that piece of wood which made it a little bit harder. Um was able to get that out. But
there was also some note that GCA might be interested in is the the the amount of flow of water that comes there's something that's going around through the dam or around the gate and it comes back out from the side of the pipe and then back down the pipe. That amount of
water has increased significantly from six years ago when I last crawled up there. I'd say it's probably increased about 8 to 10 houses. >> Okay. Wow. Okay. So, >> and I don't know if that would stop if
they actually sealed it because it would have really no place to go to flow that fast >> or not. But it it definitely was a concern. >> Okay. Um I want to send GZA a note that the dam engineers and so and once once
this gets on the website um you know I think they'll say you know go to this particular part of the video and then look >> and they can see what the the gate actually is and how it opens up. >> Perfect. Thank you very much. That was awesome. >> That's good.
>> Mark, can you share that video? >> Um, I can try. I guess I I'll copy it off here. My computer may trim it down a little bit. >> Yeah, there's parts in it that aren't really relevant. >> Yeah. or even if you take a one shot at
this that mystery object. I've got a marine biologist or a stream biologist. >> Oh, okay. Excellent. Yeah, >> I can I can we'll take care of that. I'll figure out the technology and you're sharing the video. Hopefully, it just shows up on
Zoom record zooming. >> Yeah. >> Right. that and but we'll see what happens. We'll get we'll we'll get it out to everybody and also to the town administrator so she can see okay this is real but my
first go around with her I had to explain trash what the trash wrap was and um not just getting up to speed and learning all this stuff. All right. Any uh check my notes here.
Um, any other questions about the Dan? We got about 10 more minutes here, but I think we'll get through everything. Um, next item is on there the discussion about the random road maintenance or the pole ramp maintenance. Um, it's kind of
at this point I think it's, you know, a con issue where there's, you know, one of the issues is here's the problem. the boat ramp is gradually getting skinnier and skinnier because of the brush on the shoreline. Um the other problem is that
there's a drop off in the when they put you put your boat in or actually put your boat in it's not a big deal. This is why when people try to pull their boats out um it's their the wheels hit a drop off and it gets it's getting harder and harder to get your boat out now. Um
and so uh so I guess the question and uh and I don't think Kong's had a chance to discuss it yet, but is you know the one is they're the authority over they own effectively own BA in that area or in control of it.
Um and so that you know they is a requirement to keep the boat ramp open and safe. There's one question u um I know if you look at the if you go down there and look the brushless side which is relatively easy to deal with uh there there's a a historical sign there that's
effectively covered up uh by the brush it's not a big deal to push that stuff out or to trim that stuff back really just minor trimming to make keeping the boat ramp wide. Um the bigger issue is is the drop off and at some point
it's possible someone you know someone's going to not be able to get their boat out or someone's going to damage to to their trail. Um yeah any comments? Can you add any comments? Yes, you have your hand raised
and I think you're still muted. >> I apologize. Did you call me Mark? Yep. >> Okay. Yes. So, I can I can give a uh report from the concom um two of those issues. The uh uh the
overgrown vegetation. Um the uh it's it's pretty clear what has been there in the past. You know, there's um fairly thick trees uh that that kind of line that uh pathway. Uh anything new that has grown off of those trees, branches,
etc., or any of the foot tall uh plants that have grown grown to the uh ramp side of those those can all be cut and don't need a permit from the conservation commission. So that was a that was a a vote was came up at our at
our last meeting. Um the uh so uh that doesn't need a permit. Uh every everything to the uh boat boat boat ram side of the established trees that have been there for a long time that can be cut back which will certainly increase
the the the view and having back boats down boat ramps. You really want every little bit of vision so you get it right. So so that that that's not a problem. repair of the uh the boat uh ramp is um you know it is literally in
the water. Um it's a land underwater body. It's a couple different uh resources under state, local, and federal law. So that would need a permit. Doesn't mean it has to be a complicated permit. Um and uh Beth from the uh who's the conservation chair said
that she would assist in um putting the uh uh a permit together for that. Um, I think probably what be would be u helpful from the association and from ELWAC to find out exactly what um they
would like to see and then that could be built into that that permit. >> That sounds good. I was thinking of when we lower the lake, which will be in another month or so, you know, to see if we should go out and actually, you know, put some waiters on and walk in the cold
water and uh and take a closer look at what's going on. >> Already started going. >> Yeah. Like Yeah. Down about a foot already. >> It's down seven in. Uh so uh does anybody want to give an
effort to start working on the permit and and I guess I'm not sure what needs I guess I'm not sure what needs to be done. Maybe one thing I can do is I can grab Terry Smith and bring him down
there when the lake is lowered and say you what's the cheapest easiest reliable way of doing this? Um Terry does that for a living. He rebuilds bow ramps for deeper for for I think PCR and so u and he does you know he does put you know
the cement ramps out and things like that. I'm not sure if we want to do that >> or what's you know what are the options but I I can certainly um I can certainly ask him to uh you know to get his opinion on why what's the easiest thing
we can do to to u make it safe make the ramp safe and >> just big trap rock you'll find where that hole is on the back side of that hole is going to be unbound there >> usually when people power loading their boats. It just disturbs it all on its
and historically that's I remember years ago I don't know how many years ago I don't know I think they when it was lowered one time they had the highway department go down with a the back and just grab that pile of dirt kind of level it all out but that was like I
said that was probably 30 years ago that happened so >> has to be better >> well it's been bad that you >> some big ones you have problem.
>> So even it's so hard getting them on the trailer. You can't just poke it and crack it up. Okay. So, um let's see. I I'll I'll see if I can, you
know, get some pictures of the lake, see if we can see it, and I'll maybe, you know, get the yard stick and do some measurements and and I'll check with Terry and see what what his recommendations are. >> So, just said that some of that brush
can be cleared. Who's going to do that? >> Any volunteers? Yes. Um maybe I'll uh I can go down there, you know, put some clippers and and cut away some of the the small trees and
you go ahead. >> Yeah, I think we get enough people to volunteer. I don't think anybody's going to do >> Okay. U what's the uh what's the best day uh day of the week for people? A weekend kind of thing. I think be fortunately,
>> right? Um, I'll send the out to to the group and to and to the association and see if we can get like a little work party to to to clean it up and just be brush in the woods for the animals and uh, you know, cover full of squirrels
and so nothing's got to be moved out. Does that make sense to everybody? Any other comments? >> No. What? >> Okay, next picture. We're on item nine, which
is the uh Beaver Dam management at the Lake View Culver. I'm going to share my screen again. >> You got all my pictures? >> I have I don't have all them. I have I just grabbed two. Um
>> I got five. [Music] No, maybe that's just right here. >> All right, let's get rid of that one. I think I know what I have to do here. Bear with me. And here
um can am I still sharing the screen? Can you guys see this? >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. So, let me see if I can get this going here. Okay. So, I'm going to go back to this
Uh just right here. >> You see Bob? >> Can you not talk? >> Okay. So, open it up. I'm going to start starting right now. You're late. >> I think he hasn't started the meeting
yet. It says right there. I think we're having a we're having two meetings going simultaneously here. >> Um, so let's just cover Let me see if I can uh share screen again. Yep. >> Share this guy. Okay.
All right. So, we're we're going to do this relatively quickly. Um, can everybody see this? >> Yep. >> All right. So, what we're looking at here is uh is the the covert under Lake
View Drive. Um so, a beaver dam has been formed and you can see there's a big difference in the water levels here. Um uh and you know in my mind culberts aren't designed to be dams
>> and if and and I'm speculating here but uh if that gets bigger higher it's we're reducing the the size of the of the cover here that the amount of water that can come through there and so if we have a big rainstorm
uh I could easily see how this could get clogged up and the water is going to basically go over the road at that point and wash out the road. >> So, we're looking through the culver from the legs >> from the lake. >> That's bad. >> A few years ago, there was one that they
had built, but it well built it there. They one one time they built it in the middle of the cover. I had removed it once Harry and I went down there and removed it by hand. Um then there was another one built up and it was about the time that we did the annual lake
lowering and the level changed. I mean the highway drove by one day looking at the lake looked at the other side and it's back up normal height or higher but there was some storm that happened during that and at one point the whole dam let go at one point. No,
>> no, no, nobody saw it happen or whatever that I know of, but all that debris is now in the cove just below the dam and that had actually taken out the gauge at one point and ripped it right out of the >> out of the ground and bent it way over
and that pile of debris is still there. >> It just never removed. Um, so not only is it putting potential danger to the the culvert itself, but danger if anyways don't want to let go and just putting more debris into the
cove that we don't need more debris. >> Plus also this winter all that's going to freeze on the other side which it normally does not >> and it's going to be pushing against the wing walls which are not that good already.
Oh, >> how uh that gets removed. How quickly does the viewers fill it back up again? >> Well, you have to check it once you take it out and walk away like it's been taken out. >> Yeah, I know.
>> Somebody this this summer. >> Yep. >> There's a pile of bushes and then they walk away and gave him built a better one. >> So, like three, four months for you to have that again. Oh yeah, before that cuz they're pretty fast when you get
going. >> Did you? >> Before when I was a little more agile when they took it out then I would check it at least well at least two or three times a week and I had a hook that any of the brush that was in there I pull it
out and after a while discourages them. >> Yeah. >> He said this isn't working. will go some other but if you don't do anything this is what's going to happen it's just going to come back >> is there anywhere we can make that happen
>> make what >> somebody go with the book and not that obviously you're done with that >> if you look at it as it's a maintenance of culverts that go under roads >> that is always in the past fallen, you
know, highway department. >> Well, current. >> Yes. >> If if the road washes out, I think it then, you know, it's pretty clear the highway department is going to get involved there. I think you're getting involved one way or another,
>> right? For in I completely agree, especially travels, but you drive every day. How did it go from then to nobody taking care of me. That's what I don't
like. I've been doing this for 43 years and for 42 years I had absolutely no problem. Now all of a sudden nobody takes care but u so I don't have an answer for that.
>> And who who does a highway department work for anyhow? Anybody know? It must be a sl >> and I would think that >> that would solve the problem.
So, you know, we can advise all we want, but it's I guess the question is who can encourage, you know, get the highway department or somebody to to fix this. We hired a I think we hired a company called Beaver Solutions, but they took the band out, but they didn't take the
wood out and it got rebuilt back up right away. Well, they don't. That sort of thing. People think that they use the same. They don't. Well, they don't. They didn't touch that pile. >> I have a picture. >> Evidently, when they when you take it out, they say
that didn't build today. That didn't work. We'll have to try some new stuff or something. But the pile is sitting there right on the side. I'm afraid to hit >> wishful. You can stop chair.
>> All right. And I can minimize this and I can escape out of this. And looks like that. >> Yeah, I have a picture of that again. I'm just having a hard time. Oh, here it is. Okay. So, now I'm going to go back.
>> And that was not in the water. >> Okay. Uh, so now I'm going to go back to something here. >> Now, when they did that in the past, would they use the backho or use the back? Sometimes they go in with waiters to get some of because you can't
get it all the way back. It depends on where it is. It's right at the edge. It's a lot easier when it was in the middle of the cover. >> Yeah. I mean, you could see the whole surpris and in that one we had to go down manually, grab it stick by stick
and pull it out. Yeah. >> Um I'm just surprised you can get the back. I just remember it being a steep side. >> They just they just reached over from the road. >> Is there Can everyone see the pictures? This picture which is a pile of wood. That's >> This is on the other side of
>> That's the upstream side. I know other times we've had permit from each it's been specified but they can't do that can't so >> do they also tell highway they can't use
equipment anymore for beaver dams >> they can't use what >> the equipment type of dam had to go manually remember because that uh >> the beaver dam on road Tim opened up took a bucket through and then a few people got upset that the stream
obviously got a lot bigger. >> I think that was something to do with who was in charge at that time. >> Yep. Because then it was that point I heard by was told you can't >> because they done the fasting still do.
>> Okay. >> But at that time in fact that's all >> information without checking with anybody. Yeah, but they didn't do it. So, I could see the reluctance of highway not wanting to do
it. They can't use a backup. >> Well, that wasn't the reason for anyone turn. >> Yeah. >> Get his hand raised here. >> Yeah. >> How the fly fishing is standing at all. >> Yeah. Well, if you can do it with a
background in five minutes versus all day six, I can see a frustration. Bob. >> Yeah, but I just wanted to add that um you know and and I don't I don't know all of shoot's rules, but um backhos are
frequently used to take out uh beaver dams. They they should be done, you know, in a gradual form. you know, a a scoop and then a scoop a little while later, not not take the whole thing out in one giant rush, which which as you somebody correctly said would bring a
slug of sediment into the into the pond. Um, but there there's no prohibition on any methods for taking out beaver dams with a mechanical means that I'm aware of on a on a state state level. Um the
um uh I it should be noted that um the public health under weird Massachusetts rules is in charge of uh issuing beaver dam removal permits and that you know so whenever anybody goes out or is planning
to go out they have a a fairly quick process called an emergency um which can be signed off by uh a the um a represent representative of the the public health. Um and um the the the
state fines are considerable if if you do miss that step. So uh it's best to just uh check in with public health uh before you do do touch a dam. >> Right. Well, I that would be me, Bob, and I'm always willing to sign.
>> Yeah, I apologize. Was that Katherine? I I can't hear down that end of the table unfortunately. >> Yeah, that was Katherine and she's our board of health representative on the committee. >> Oh, good.
>> Um, so what do we do? Well, also that is the main surface water for the lake of which are getting nothing right now through that. Even if they you can just stand there and you're not going to hear any water going in or over that
day. >> Can we ask the select board to instruct the primary department to to do this maintenance? I've been trying to I don't know when the next meeting I went before one and I
was trying to go to the next one. I don't know exactly when the next board meeting is. >> How about this? You know, I think these pictures I was kind of surprised when I saw this. Yeah. Uh, and when we run up to fix the the water level staff and I
think when people see this, you know, they're going to see people in town like the select board, like the highway department, like the board of health. If I send this out to everybody, these pictures, um, maybe that'll help because it is dramatic. You you look at it every
like this is not this, as Len said, this is not a good thing. >> Yeah. I mean, there's several very large beaver dams upstream. >> Yeah. And if we get a big rainfall and one of those breaks and then we get a gush of water, I could see it going
right to the top of the road. >> Yeah. >> Or if the gear dam gets higher and higher. >> Yeah. >> And so that space that free space gets smaller and smaller. >> Yeah. That one tree can easily block it. >> And as you can see the wing walls are
are pile of stone. So when the ice starts hitting that or gets in between freezing and shifting those piles, >> it's done it on the other side. >> Bas basically you're saying that the second the viewers start putting the dam
up, you have to take it down so they don't get encouraged to keep building. >> You don't really you're not really taking it down. You're just taking his supply material away before he gets the chance. But >> he hasn't put mud on it yet. Yeah. >> Just bringing branches in and stuff.
>> Yeah. The water's gone too, >> right? It's not. >> In fact, people kayaks going through, let me know. You see that stuff? But sometimes it's further back. Yeah.
They got that extension book that Walter got from me. I'm going to make a motion that this committee um advis our advisory and advis to
direct the highway department or some other appropriate entity to remove this and to do ongoing maintenance to prevent a second. Second
>> discussion. >> Did everyone hear Catherine? >> I apologize. Mark, could could you restate the motion? >> Catherine, why don't you say it a little louder? >> Okay. Louder. Can you hear me well now? >> I can.
>> Okay. I am making a motion that our committee advise the select board to arrange for the removal of this Beaver Dam and ongoing maintenance presumably by the um highway department or by any
other appropriate entity. >> Thank you. >> We got a we have a second. So again, is there any discussion on it or any more discussion? Yeah, with with your per permission um
Katherine and um and Mr. Chair, uh add in that the um proper permits would be applied for. >> Good point. >> Good point. >> Uh let's uh if there's no more
discussion, let's have a vote. Catherine, >> yes. >> Mark, yes. Howard, >> yes. >> Len, >> yes. John, >> Walter, >> yes. >> Uh, Eric, >> yes. >> And Bob, >> hi.
>> And Art, >> yes. >> Okay, motion passes. >> U, and that's kind of the end of our agenda. Well, is there any other items that that we did anticipate should have been added to the agenda? >> I have one quickly. I just want to thank
Alam for his effort with the the DCR fire prevention people for firefighters. They did a nice job moving around the lake. Um there's a nice presentation they did. Um and uh I just just s we have the links to it. Um they came by my
house and they just you know a couple of things they're just I never thought of them. They're very simple things that I can do to reduce the fires. And at my kids's house across the street, you just simply uh there's there's a sign on the house number ring on it and you come right down to Great Pine Drive. It's,
you know, you can see Great Pine Drive. Of course, you're coming up uh Lake uh Lake Mor Drive. You can't tell. There's no numbers on that side of us. And so just a little simple things like that can make a difference. And uh um so I want to thank him for all his effort.
>> Yeah. Do you want me to try to get them to do it next year or do it every other year? I think do a class but do home assessments. >> I think it's worthwhile how enthusiastic they are trying to come out next year. >> Yeah, I think it's worthwhile.
>> Um um I know you're working on emergency man evacuation plan with the >> Yeah, we're good. >> That's all going along. Okay. Good. Good. >> That's all I have. Uh,
>> move tojourn. >> We move to adjourn. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> All in. Uh, all in favor or Howard? >> Yes. >> Catherine? >> Yes. >> Len? >> Yes. >> John? >> Walter? >> Yes. >> Mark? Yes. Uh, Eric? >> Yes.
>> Bob? >> Yes. >> And Art? >> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you guys very much. a little longer than usual, but we'll probably do an hour next time. Thank you very much. Take care. >> Thanks everybody.
>> Thank you.