I haven't done this particular >> um and so if anybody joins we just press on their link if it'll just say you'll press that men. myself.
>> Yeah, that's kind of scream. So that's okay. Yeah, I don't need to impress myself. >> Very loose. >> I think she's technically here because it looks like her thing.
>> That's off. Okay. >> All right. I'm gonna go ahead and um call the meeting of the sphere library communication order. Thank you. for proceeding in my absence. So, the first order of business for
today um is uh why don't I just go through the agenda? Um we didn't write that down, but I'll do that. So, we have um minutes to do. Um I think we'll switch around to two and three and maybe talk about the
questionnaire results first. Does that make sense? Or um I'm going to do public engagement. >> We should do um if you can buy those first work. >> Yeah. >> All right. Um so we'll do is number two
um talk about the questionnaire results. Um three talk about public engagement and then any other anticipated an anticipated business. what I would put under that category. Um, next meeting and
along the way just incorporating kind of next steps. So, um, do I hear a motion to approve the meeting minutes for October 16th, 2025?
Is there any discussion, any edits? Uh, I think I forgot to uh send something to you, Brendon, but there's a under the description of our I'm going through the sear library, it uses the word bulkhead.
I would eliminate that because I think bulkhead might confuse people because bulkheads typically when you think about it, you have kitchen cabinets, that wall that comes down and cuts back. The cabinets might go up to it. That's often a
bulkhead. It's like a dead space. >> That's a bulkhead as that door that bangs. >> Yeah. Basement. >> The doors. >> Yeah. >> Well, I think of cellar. >> That's
it. >> To New England. Okay. >> And suicide. >> Yeah. >> I've never heard um I've never heard that phrase. I'll get used for that area. >> Well, if you're from if you're from
Maryland are >> I'm sorry. Bulkheads are dead space teaching cabinets and the seller door seller. Okay. Bill, they're all Bill Co. And I think people just
call, >> right? Right. Q-tips. >> That's an advertisement for Bill. Okay. >> Learn so much. >> Um Okay. Um so any other changes? >> Yeah. Joe Johnson probably needs to be fixed. We'll call
>> Mary Joe. You're one word. Mary Joe. Yes. >> But we can get the last names there actually. And anything else John >> Mary Joe first name and just Johnson in the
minutes there. >> Oh last names. >> Okay. Um so you have an open Motion to approve the minutes as amended.
>> Um, did I get a second? >> A second. >> Okay. Um, all those in favor signify by saying I >> and I'm just going to have stage saying. Um, okay. Great. So um the next item is
to talk about the questionnaire results and um Susie um do you feel comfortable just kind of giving us broad overview? I know you did the compilation. Yeah, great.
>> Um and I' I'd like to have all the comments. >> Yeah, I don't know that there's anything else to say. Okay, that is from me, but for you. >> Um, no. >> No. >> And what we did, um, we do have two more that aren't here, the historical and the
COA. They came in late. Um, so I know that, um, like I don't know when the Founders didn't register it, but it occurred to me that some of the people that aren't on here are people that just hold meetings, right? So, um, so even
though this may be a relatively small sample of anything that's in town, >> uh, my guess is that people who were just hold meetings, um, did not just necessarily respond. Yeah. >> All right. Um, so we have copies of
>> I guess I got to say one other thing. the village neighbors said there is in they are not a child entity but I put them on the chart because it may lead to a further discussion about okay so let me just I just want to take a
quick look on the um on with if there was anything on the council on aging actually council on aging cemetery mission oh man that really probably not
>> I can Okay. All right. >> Um, so state arrangements to be had it. They said no regarding the senior land should be exclusively used by the council agent
unless it includes another group using it. However, council agent would not use the library need a function toilet supply and kitchen simission doesn't leave that kind of meeting disgrace. Um, and other
ideas about how the building should be used. Towns does need record storage space. The library could be put to that use without much if any renovations. I say that as a former member of the ad
hoc record store. This was filled out by Susan Jeff. All right. One of the things I noticed and by the way Susie I thought you did a great big job pulling all those together. Thank you so much for that. But there there
were several responses to that. I said oh well that's like it comes from the assessor court but what that was the assessor saying and here we are you know Susan responding on behalf of the cemetery but those committees you know
haven't necessarily weighed in. So I think we have to somehow do that in the US plan. So I know the historical commission met um and they talked about the survey although um I don't think they went
through question by question but they did sort of gen generally talk about the building and there were lots I only know this because I watched their meeting because we hadn't gotten um a response from them and I knew that they put it on their agenda so I thought
it would be useful just to get a sense of um what this and they're they're pretty key um to this historic historic building. >> So we do have a response from them but don't have anything.
>> Correct. Okay. And it's not um it's not particularly extensive at all. Um, so the other I don't know if you felt their meeting had some more comments, but um it seemed to me that
they have a space in the old town hall for their stuff. And so um they Henry wrote up the and they have some perspective about the library but it also is based on the already.
Yeah, I think that's a that's a good analysis. I mean there was a lot of there was um discussion beyond what beyond the survey itself that went on and we can talk a little bit more about that when we talk about public engagement. But um yeah, I got that that
sense that you know we have we have the old town hall that has its own problems. Um but it does have um it does store not only critical town records that are kept live in the vault but then there's a lot of there are a lot of other historic
artifacts that are in there and we don't get regular access to it during celebrate shoots used to be opened up and everybody could go. So I think there was a a brief but a good discussion about well could we could they the
historical commission engage people and invite the community and talk, you know, either there or somewhere else like bring things out of the old town hall so people could like learn more about the history and and see
what kinds of like ways to measure. There's a bunch of other stuff. >> So bring things out of the old town presentation. >> Exactly. Temporarily. Yeah, that's that was sort of the not at the not necessarily at the library but anywhere that they have a gathering
>> which the recreation committee highlighted that in their comments. So the notion of a display space in an even temporary way was about connecting the community to town to
history. So um that was other people's perspectives >> and and I think um I think everybody at least what I heard from the historic history was that um that every
a number of the members talked about the treasure as a library and a concern that um that it would no longer have any kind of affiliation with the library if we totally you know
if it was used as a storage building or meeting space or offices then to kind of lose that history that is the assessor so it's the person that links both so the assessor's response response
>> so it's a it's a tough one >> you know Um we're not going to take any public comments um right now. Um the committee is gonna um speak. And who who is that? It's the hand raised.
>> I can't see your name. >> Hi, this is Mary Lou Cona. >> Oh, hi Mary Lou. We're not we're not engaging. We're not this the committee is just meeting now and then we'll talk about any kind of public comment. um or
just discussion in um in a bit. >> Okay. >> Um >> we're just talking about the survey results. Um there was clearly the police department and the town
administrator um both um advocating um for the police department to move over to that building. And I do know
one of the things really that I you know thought a lot about when when I recommended to the select board that she have a committee was that there had been discussion with one thing already about and I felt that that was premature and
that expectations had been raised and that we needed to have um more deliberative process and um do something like this and some other you know public engagement around the building rather
than any one person making the decision. Um and it's really it's you know ultimately um this will come to um
it would end up a town meeting by virtue of whatever is done with the building. there's going to be um costs involved. >> So I think the more kind of background research of this committee can do thoughtful deliberation about what makes
the most sense um then um we we can defend and and talk to to the community about what our relications are. So um that's sort of where
I was coming from. I think uh you know how I I felt like the both the town administrative and the police department responses presented pretty strong cases but you know immediately the question was you
know put on the table about well what is realistic what'sable you know and and I think you know kind of a supreme dividing point those options that won't require running water and bathroom versus
So, you know, it seems like that question needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later that we can know what avenues we we go down and which one we can't go around. >> Yeah. >> Well, I I totally agree with that. But after having attended the finance
committees question and answer brainstorming event um in the small group that I was in, one of the things that was raised was with kind of all these budgetary issues that are hitting
now that are going to continue to hit is do we have to make changes and so I think you know a number I don't know how many years ago it was that the town that we want a police department
not to go with something that's or broad uh enough tie in some others right >> and so you know that might be something that we have to bring back on the table. And if we move the police department, if they moved over there and there's all
this money spent, then it's determined that we can't afford a police department and voted on to abandon it. Then, you know, we spent all that money. And I mean, it's hard, you know, to know what the
future's going to bring, but I think that's something to consider. I mean, I agree that I think that that their response and town administrator's response make good case for that kind of use. You know, money
was not returned like well makes sense. I have another perspective I want to put on the table um about police departments um and that's not about this police
department but whereas police departments need a level of privacy for the people getting services >> there is a role for keeping the police department in public eye in p in other
um situations and even in some of the past shoots is very having the police be part of the physical community and not isolated
um I feel can make it a safer community based um department >> across the street >> so people don't see what's going on people don't hear what's going on Right
now when people come and go in this building there is not a level of ultimate privacy but being able to hear how people are dealing how the police are um their actions and attitudes towards the people that they're taking
in in this town right now that's not wrong. We also have a goal to have community policing. But when things change, police can act not safely with people they're dealing with or
respectfully and you feel isolated. So I grew up in Ammerst and there was a joke about the fact that the police department was to held spares in the old town hall where that gave them some stairs to push people down. So that was an attitude that kids and people had. It
should be in Ammerston. I'm not saying I know that it happened. I'm saying that police department's commitment to community policing is a newer motion and we've had police
officers who hadn't done that in Shootsbury a long time ago. Um so having police department is totally isolated. Nobody else is around like a processing. Um I feel that
something to think about. It's just the concern I have. I I guess for me the strongest argument for having police in a separate space is privacy for the people that go there. Um
um and as someone that doesn't is not that familiar with the layout of town hall. I'm kind of curious about whether they'd have a separate entrance and if that would be a possibility if that would give a certain degree of protection for people as opposed to walking right into the front door, which
I I mean I'm not sure know what that means. Um, I think certainly having running water in a bathroom would be an important thing for at least they have particularly if they've got people that they're going to be with for extended
periods of time which I don't know right I'm not sure what what but I and I also know that there are a lot of regulations requirements around the type of space that police can occupy
and so I think that the building it have to be you know just conforming to the regulations of the city has just passed that so that might be a cause. Um my other thought is that
in terms of the perceptions that people run down that has been a place of public access and events then become by police department might not go over quite so easily as if it remained a place of public access. And I think that people
in town might feel it as a loss if it suddenly became which is I think the perception that yeah people will have if it becomes a police. So those are yeah
>> one last thing to that which I may have mentioned the last meeting you know when you reuse a building what does say zoning code require that you do I mean the you know example with
the new library we were finished with design really and the code changed and we had to shorn put in a third bathroom. >> So like would there be a requirement to have two bathrooms >> in those?
>> Right. Yeah. >> And so some of that I'm not sure >> if talking to someone in zoning >> inspector >> and building inspection. Uh we might need to
hire the services of a professional maybe an architect. So we could find the answer or if we commit to any or commit to any I mean because that's obviously also affect the cost if you
know obviously two bathrooms >> that's not going to well that kind of gets back you know my initial point which wasn't so much a focus on the police department but but the realm of possibilities you know for
what we can consider And I guess I would just want to follow up and say how do we as a committee, you know, move forward to get answers to those kinds of questions, you know, and because we need to do that. >> Yeah. Well, I think um I think there are
a few things that we could do and we um one of my concerns from the outset have been any change in use of that building, right? you know, what does that trigger in terms of of a building code and then what are the costs associated with that? So, I think that's where we probably
have to talk to the um building inspector, the county building inspector, and I'm not sure get somebody um maybe we could do some research and then if we if we be he or she I think I can't remember there's like at least a couple of people and then sheriff
department um would be willing to um meet with us or you know participate via via Zoom if we had specific um questions. Um short of that, you know, we could engage
um uh an architect, although I, you know, I'd rather not do that. Um given our recent experience with architects, um you know, there might be somebody in
town who um are retired. Um we have somebody on the CBA now um retired architect. So we might be able to uh tap into, you know, some some resources that wouldn't cost us a lot of money. We couldn't rely like legally rely upon
their opinion, but at least we can get some indication. Um >> both Susie and Mary Joe make like good and and sort of different points about um about public
disability. Um yes, one of the points that that the police have made is that people when when they engage with the public, it's not in the hallway. It's either outside, you know, the police car there,
you know, stopping and seeing them, there's really no visibility to that public engagement. The public engagement happens inside their office. But in getting to their office, you have to walk past the um past the town clerk,
past a lantern clerk. Um and you know, it's a very small town hall. When I enter, I guess my voice carries people typically know I'm there because I know they'll follow me for me.
Science read here. Um uh so it it can could be intimidating. I I don't know how often that happens, but you know, it has at least been um
expressed by the police department that it's, you know, there's some really sensitive things that go on. Um that being said, um you know, the the so the I I guess we could divide up the issues. you know,
there are financial issues or financial implications and then of on the other side the loss of this treasure to the public, >> right, that you can't go into that building anymore unless you're
it would be it would be very changed. Um obviously the exterior would be up updated and fixed but um but no longer would you have um you know would you be stepping into this um building because
it would be really transformed into office space. Um and so that's you know that is certainly a loss for the community um a gain or
the just the you know town administration. I had a thought when I was in town hall this week which was unusual. Um, but when I was here um earlier this week, I
um asked Deon, I had never been inside the whole lease office, >> right? So, >> and I realized we need to do a little tour of the the building. I mean, Susie Susie worked here, so she's familiar, but I had no sense of like what did I've
seen the chief's office, but you know, I come in the door, there's a there's like a right there, and I go into her office, but I never walked around the corner much, but or I knew there was an
evidence room. It's a closet. And um so I looked at the space and I said I asked Devin to provide us not today but he's going to do it um a sketch like a floor in a floor plan just so everybody can
see the evidence positive is maybe about three or four feet wide and the depth of the office which is between I don't know it's 15 20 feet something like that it's crammed full of stuff. It's not you have to you kind of have to go sideways.
It's you know it doesn't it doesn't serve the purpose of kind of a modern police department on getting assets and they have to they legally I think have to hold on to stuff. Um that was part of you know doing the
questionnaire was just to get a sense of what's the bigger picture here of how adequate is is the space everybody has is it functioning well and for me
you know I think it sort of brought home um there are a lot of things we could do to make this space and it's currently configured a lot more user friendly. >> We're talking about the police. >> I'm talking about temple in general.
Yeah. So, um, and to your point, um, Mary Joe, there is no separate entrance to answer your question, there's no separate entrance. And at one point, I thought, what if we just did like a, you know, a shuffling?
What's it called? you know, you you move everybody around on the on the playing board and at least we're in here because they could have a a door, you know, and it's be handicapped accessible, right? It's on the rack floor. Um I don't know what the square footage is of that
space, but there could be some potentially some reconfiguration bumping into this into this room. This room right now, I mean, really the select board uses it. I'm not sure who else is holding inerson meetings, but
it's it's a big room that's it's totally underutilized. We're keeping a lot of space. Um, you know, we have been I know Haley and Brennan have been working have been really working very hard in terms of
record storage and we are like up to our eyeballs on paper in this town hall. um that Susie can well tell you. No record storage committee. There's a lot of stuff in here that doesn't need to doesn't need to be
saved. Um and so we have file cabinets out the Yazu. Went into the land clerk's office yesterday and every time I go into a room, I go like, "Hey, so how much paper is in here?" Right? >> Doesn't need to be yourself. Anyway,
it's it's complicated. I guess it's my way of saying um the record storage in some of his mind evolving the things um the discover so on the chart the discoveries were some of the sort of distilled ideas every space should be
used to what is best suited a good solution should involve multiple should solve multiple problems occupied spaces are easier to monitor unoccupied spaces can we leave lead to unreserved problems town governments It's a team effort.
Staff should be kept together. The record storage design is meant to improve our stewardship of the records in a hall forward and multiple participants use our town spaces. Communication, cooperation, and consideration of multiple needs and future needs is important. And in this
process, we considered different things. One of the ones that Lesie mentioned because Leslie was on the record storage committee and I think she mentioned in her assessor comments was the idea that
a vault be put on this building. Um when we talked about that it solved multiple problems to put a cube. We had gone to visit Templeton's and they have this brick and it was accessed through the um town's office so
it was monitored. It had the right fireproofing, light proofing, mice proofing. Um it accessed the records more east. So, we talked about that as a concept building a cube on the front of
this building and um and it could extend the town clerk's office to be more affordable. The other part of that picture was it would um you could move the front door out and make an air lock
which would solve a problem about chosing people's fingers on the windy door. And if you move that out and you put a different space on the um east place with a copier and all that is a
bathroom, you could make um better office space that everybody could use. So this idea of pushing out the front and you could only shovel a shorter block. Thank you. So we had this vision and we drew it and
we were interested in it. Um it would not involve water or subdivity. Um there is a well head on the east side of that front and it would need to be understood how to build around that. Um it gave the
town clerk um better access to records and um a better office. Um and there is um I did go and look about digitizing records and it is not totally
clear to me what how digitized records can replace all printed records. So that is it was so much of a back to get the information they might like just say yes or no but they will say yes or no. So,
um, so it's that has to be researched more clearly, but in thinking about the dominoes, if the police were down here, the access would be more private and yet they would still be in the building that reflects this is the town. You're part
of the whole. We can we can value and appreciate you and see you. Um, and >> you just thought of the stairwell you could [Laughter] just kid. And so um so this space became
part of our discussion like how does this space work? This space could be broken up. You could have more privacy if you do a booking room on the non windowed side. Um and could that still leave some room here for a meeting?
Right. >> The kitchen is a um emergency um facility. It has to be at this point as we understand in the town's plan. you have to be able to go into the kitchen because we had thought about using the kitchen space. Um, and so these these uh
reviews here all um were nobody was perfect. Um the the new construction was the module on um on the back of town hall, the addition to the
front of town hall um and a freestanding building and a module on the back of town hall. But um the reason we um the reasons we personally preferred
the mod additions onto the front of this town hall were those reasons I cited that they are multiple solutions. They're not one solution. And um and doing that wouldn't change um
anything else other than better record storage, um better access, um a better town workspace, and then it just because we were reviewing things, the idea of the police department being down here seemed like a good idea. And then we
could see other people in to today's survey talking about how you could use that police space. Um so >> we lose the senior lounge though. So that >> then why would you say that?
>> No. If the police department here >> it was not to be in there. It was proposed here. >> Yeah. and dividing this space up because this was kind of a a not usable really usable space. >> Sorry. What's going to be in here?
>> Oh, the police. >> Whatever else we figure out. I mean, maybe it's only big enough for the police. But no, it's the COA. >> We're meeting room. >> It could. So we didn't we I mean we were not trying to solve all
>> just so it could be this room dividing differently and because the police space and the meeting spaces probably may not intersect but it could um and you could have access out of that door and that door. Um and it could be that the select
board meets in the police department wrong the police out of there. We don't want to be in charge of the dominoes. But what I want to say is that the goal the um the reality >> or the tenants that we figured out were
these tenants and in in clarifying that >> this came out of our research for us. >> No, it's very useful. But so when we came to these um they seemed valuable because we went to four or five towns and looked at what they were doing and
um when we came to these um it seemed like they should be a basis for understanding space. Um so that's how we got to that thing. The cost of a of a module to on the front and building out
that other side that would have to be figured out how it goes. >> Yeah. Okay. And I think I start to realize that as soon as we soon as we start talking about breaking out of this breaking out of this
building, building any kind of sort of the dollar signs, it just starts adding up. >> Yeah. >> And so, you know, a reconfiguration down here. I don't know. Is this a supporting wall? >> I doubt >> flexible wall.
Yeah, those those can't move. But see, >> but that that wall >> I mean I'm guessing that your beams running this way. >> Yeah. >> Given the >> Yeah. >> post layout and the way this is boxed around, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Um well, you know, hearing all this, it
sounds like what you want to do is you want plans of town hall. >> Yeah. And then you want to start looking at the spaces and what the needs are and
can spaces be modified or adjusted to make them function the way they need to be. >> Yeah. >> Um and hearing okay you need a kitchen but don't need that much space for the kitchen is
>> I don't know. So it was called an emergency shelter. Don't we have that now in the either in the library or the elementary school? Is it the elementary school? >> It could be shelter. >> Could be. Yeah. >> So that so it would be understanding um
emergency shelter requirements. >> Yeah. Um I yeah there is a part of me that says if we if we could take this builder and
use it more efficiently could kind of mothball library building for a while and I maybe we can't really mothball it but to continue to it has to be of some sort of continuous use in order for our insurance
>> if it's >> some of these were um without renovation someone guess >> if it's temporarily used for storage is that considered a continuous use >> it's probably continuous use because the old town follows the same thing that's
insured and that's a continuous use um but you know right right now um the you know there's no you wouldn't have to keep the heat on Right. >> You could >> because you have no water,
>> right? Yeah, there's no water. >> You couldn't turn it off entirely. >> Um there's no reason you couldn't I mean there's nothing that's going to I mean the building will quote freeze, but I mean we have know we had a camp for
years where every fall I drain it down and it would freeze all winter, >> right? And but you could also keep the temperature very low >> like 50 or 25 or something. >> I mean we have another building small
cottage building I'll call it that we keep it 50. >> Well would it be an appropriate um conclusion or recommendation of this committee to you know basically what you call forward. Um, we think that whole
rethinking of the existing town hall needs to happen so that we don't have to think about putting well on a septic system across the street and therefore that building can be used for, you know, as essentially for, you know,
>> meetings. They could be used for meetings >> for meetings and a number of other things that won't require major renovations and major expenses. If so, we're done. >> I mean, I expand the scope just a tiny bit. I think you guys are so good. Um I think
if um let's say the Council on Aging wanted to have an event. I' I'd love not to just put a bunch of file cabinets in there and say that's that nobody wants to go and look in file cabinets but in the old town hall let's say we were
going to do >> I mean library sorry I'm pointing the wrong direction that way um >> so that if we could think about a you know a continuous use >> where it's more accessible to the public
>> um it just puts off, you know, it puts off the the long-term decision of an interim use is that it becomes a meeting space. We're going to have the library, so that's going to be but you know,
there are people that might want to have um like for example right now we don't have a lot of uh forities that are meeting in person. It really would be great if someone would meet in person because I think it it's it's a different
experience when when you're face to face. We do we have a we have equipment that so this was all everything you see here is all updated equipment which um Gail Huntress got grant fully paid for. It's state-of-the-art. It's been
fabulous. Um but we do have our our old still very functional equipment. So that could be put in another space. Um so you know another meeting space and you say wouldn't take
anything other than maybe we'd want to do that from fortune CBA money or something >> right >> um the front entry way >> right but I think that that's say important to the the life of the building and regardless
I think of how it's ultimately used I don't think doing that is going to be different if say the police were there than if the council on Asian was it >> right and I I would hesitate to designate it for any one group up front
let's use it as a you sign up to >> you know for a meeting or you have a special event >> and I think you know we have to come up with a policy is it strictly municipal stuff do we open it up you know could somebody
rented for example and does that have um implications for our insurance policy the county sh let's say there's a serious community was doing something where they wanted a space in the center town or you know some other non municipal use um let people use the town
that I'm in um they have to get you know they have to get insurance and stuff um but it would it would kind of just solve the immediate problem of a lot of money, right? Potentially um
and change um and giving us some more time. We're hiring a new police chief, so we don't you know that's going to happen and that's going to be over the next few
months. Um she said, you know, the the we're the budget that we're not unusual. It's happening all over the Commonwealth, but we're in a real budget crisis. You can't use We can only use CPA money, community
preservation act money um for like historic preservation on that building. You couldn't use it for the bathroom or tight tank, you know, for any of that. Um so um
so we could say okay let's let's focus let's get a let's get complete plans of this you say oh I'll get plans of this town hall and think about a reconfiguration of what the costs would
be um and then d you know dig deeper into what's going to work for the council on agent. Let's just say with the senior lounge, we were going to use this space. Um and
and the select board could honestly they could meet up there. No reason why. But yeah, >> um >> we we meet every other week. And then once LA the other thing that's lacking
here, go ahead, Stephen. Um, I was thinking uh when we visited over at I forget who mentioned it, but the original uh composting toilet apparently was incorrectly installed. >> Yeah.
>> So, I was saying, well, is there any reason you can't install a proper composting toilet? I think that's a great idea >> because you know when you were mentioning other possible use and seeing well that
would be a great space for someone to have their own private little party but you'd want to have someone facility right >> and you know with the uh hand wash
>> Oh yeah if you had a properly functioning composting toilet. >> No, it's a great somebody gave a little square dance there. >> Um, no, I definitely think it's a great idea. Um, I know just recently we had an
interview with the the lake was um it was really up to somebody that actually come out. So, we went to I think three or four companies. They're all we don't do anymore. So I think that's something we
have to >> really consider is who would service it and >> the technology has changed at all. >> Yeah. >> You know if there's a um you know with composting toilets if there's like a
ones that have a burn. >> I I'm an expert on this. Actually used a burning. >> Oh did you? >> I just said that. I didn't even know there was such a thing. Yes, it was called a destroyer.
>> What was it like? >> It was It was occasion on occasion distressing because it heated up using it right after someone had burned something in. >> But I and I I actually had um for my
office one time a situation where I had running water. in the facilities and I did a bunch of research. There are experts. There are people that have, you know, looked into I I actually know someone from who knows quite a bit about composting toilets and how they
work. >> Okay. >> That might be willing to give us some advice. >> Um, and what the conclusion that I came to was the simpler the better if you have anything that's that's like, you know,
anything that's mechanical. Then you've got to get somebody out to fix it. Yeah. >> I don't want to be that person for three months, you know, installing fine fixing. No, and that person can come and go. So, I think you you would really
want to look at the simplest >> solutions possible. I I actually ended up using a sawdust toilet, which was really very practical. Um, this what I saw over there is very large, very
So you went into the basement more than >> into the hard to get hard to get right >> through the bulkhead. >> Getting anything up through that bulkhead and >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Um, that is there was this big tank. Yes.
>> Yeah. Well, I mean, I could be totally wrong, but logically the equipment needs to be sized to fit through doors. I mean, you don't build it into a building to never come out or you shouldn't, right? I mean, I don't
>> Yeah. I mean, for my purposes, I just wanted a bucket in a box and I just get out occasionally. Now, I had I had lots of space and facilities where I could deal with that. So, but but you could get somebody in to say, "Well, what would be a practical solution for this space?" And there are a lot of
homesteaders that have figured stuff out. Um, and for the amount that you'd be using it, and I think that that was probably part of the issue over there, is that if you only have liquid going into it occasionally, there's nothing really to compost.
>> I mean, urine is sterile, you need bacteria >> to create that kind of situation. And then I mean there's a hole there's books there's books about it. Um there's some place I know um
has has a situation where they they just they separate the two. So in any case I'm pretty sure you can figure out a solution that would be easier easier care than what that looked like.
The other um idea to put in this mix is whatever plans we come up with say at town hall try to find grants and grants can are trying to earmarks um that would help fund whatever
solutions we want to come up with. There is no town clerk at string, >> right? >> There's no actually there's no town hall in stream but there were Right. >> Right. >> And so, um, we we would try to figure
out whatever plans we end up with dividing up town all multi-use. Um, we were able to find some grants. >> We got an engine
lease, you know, if the space was appropriated for it. So, you know, there's possible option there. they would renovate a new space for the police station. Maybe they would be able with some funds.
>> I don't know if you >> The other thing I I do like about um being it here is that well we have the parking in adequate as it already is. I mean it needs to be this parking lot needs to be dealt with >> better than much.
And you um if you're parked there, everybody sees your apartment too, >> right? >> Here you can be parked and you might be anywhere. Might be the town clerk. You might be in the town administrator. You're not sitting out there on the town common. You know, when I pass by there,
I go, "Oh, is Maryanne there?" You know, um but you know, oh why why is Freda parked at the police station? Let's go. What did she do? Oh, she's coming out in cuffs. [Laughter]
>> So, >> how would we do this next step of I mean, we really can't dispand. >> No, we can't. >> But we have a planning Yeah. >> planning pool of this. >> What if we got >> It's not what's in the survey. Oh, well.
>> What if What if we got um somebody who picked a raw the I don't know that there are any plans going I doubt it this was built in 1930 this building um that there's you know blueprints good
oldfashioned blueprints that this building >> the assessors have maps for all of our >> think this block and measure it really doesn't matter >> you do but you want to know sort of yeah you you you want to have a pretty
accurate and you want to know where your supporting walls are >> and you know right now we have this kind of convoluted system I don't even know what all these pipes are but there are a lot of them um you know
there's some ventilation air exchange systems um but we we'd want so we'd want the floor plan if you need a HVAC um consultation and we would have to have
um somebody who could be thoughtful about how you would divide up say this space and even potentially using part of the if we were going to use part of the kitchen to see what it's you know what the emergency shelter piece of it it's
nice to have a little kitchen in town hall but this is not the cast on aging doesn't juice. It does cook in there, your lunch to eat. >> You want like a stove and a refrigerator space, a bathroom space that you want
space for the pots that we have. >> So, we still need a kitchen. >> Yeah. Not that large, >> but not maybe not that large. >> That was part of this discussion was that some of the are in there be used for storage, regular storage, storage.
Yeah. % >> so the the buildings committee you're on right I mean there must be some expertise there that you know just getting measurements and the sketch and you know figuring out where there's you
know supporting fin so forth we have the expertise >> well I have I have a professional professional degree in architecture never practice it but I can certainly measure a building and uh Jeff Quackenbush uh was
staff architect at UMass and I can talk to him. Maybe the two of his put his name on that come up with something. >> No, but you're going to check and see if they're actually existing plans. Yeah,
just over the gold leisure. >> And then I think we need to dive into like the town clerk. That office is totally inadequate. You know, like she right now, Michael's going to be making a they want a Dutch door because we had to take the table away that was in front
of the elevator and she has no place for anybody to like write. You know, you're filling something out there. So, Michael's just going to, >> you know, make a thing, but she needs to be in a place like with a counter. Um so
if we can think about how we re once we get done the plans how we would reconfigure then we get I the police and the town clerk are probably the two departments that have the most space but we didn't get a response
because we a town clerk but that have the most space >> immediate space needs. Well, I think that the um collector's point is also shows she wants to be invested, but also records
and space to put the records. So a suggestion about making the treasurer an offsite um person because they are offsite a lot or have some small space and then um >> and so I think that we need to notice
that that was one of the um requests for space. >> Yes. >> And if we um I I can go find out what those um falls are terminal. Well, no. In Templeton, they have a record storage vault and um it
has the require it meets the requirements. None of the theater meet all requirements for fireproof, floodproof, secure, air quality, lighting, pest um safe and accessible, right?
>> Um and that's what records are supposed to be kept at. Um and none of the ones that are kept here now. the fault. We didn't hopefully eliminate all the mice that were in the vault over there, but it's way too small. Can't do it.
>> So, this is so it's a it's a um >> Yeah. Um and >> but something not anything exists, >> right? >> Modification, right? >> And it it changed out the idea of working on a old town hall. Um,
but you know, if the old town hall was used, there were plenty of things that needed to be dealt with there. That was going to be the primary record store. >> So, Rita, you you mentioned, you know, maybe need reconfigur
was that a larger collection we versus this committee. I mean, >> well, we could expand the committee if we wanted to. Um, that's certainly within the power of select. they they organized it and if we thought um it made sense to bring other you know a
couple of other people on or we could keep it as is and just um you know consult with with Jeff Quack and Bush and and you over things you know if we had to hire let's
say we needed a HAC person who wasn't willing to do it pro bono um we needed to pay somebody $1,500 $ of whatever it is, you know, to give us an evaluation. Um, so you contract out, you can contract out some of the learn the real
estate, but where the money is coming from, but you know, small small relatively small amounts of money in order to be confident that coming up with a viable viable land.
Yeah, I guess my question is, you know, it's the who part, you know, and because our, you know, our charge is mostly that building over there, but the the decision making goes way beyond that, you know, that isolated building there
as we discussed it. So, >> so I guess that, you know, that would be an important next step too is, you know, does the select board want to expand the the jurisdiction or the charge for this committee? And if so, you know, are people still interested in that? And
would we do we need to expand? >> Personally, I'd be I'd be interested in looking at the bigger picture rather than just that. >> Right. Right. So, yeah. >> I think we have to um we have to make like a recommendation about that. I
guess the first priority for me is saying we make the recommendation. we're going to not essentially leave the building as is. So maybe some some modifications of we
need to think about is this the year we put in a CPA application for that front portion you know because the building committee was going to do that um and started down but you know what else has to be done for that building you need to
find out about the composting toilet let's say let's take that first right anything else and recommending ing it to stay as it is after we fix the toilet and the porch. We would also want to
list what kinds of uses we imagine would be acceptable there. >> Y list. So I guess fixes get a budget on the street that building and then um
identification of uses. At least it's that decision of having depend on whether it's realistically feasible and meet the needs of especially the police and the contiguration
of this building. I guess I wouldn't want to say let's leave that alone, you know, figure out what needs to be done and that needs first. >> Or the opposite could be true. You could say leave that alone figure this out and
then figure out oh we have to go there but not spend any more do that do it that way but in the short term the only then the only recommendation I would suggest that comes out of this group for
that building is just um if it's kept in use what's the inuse um uh you know do we they need to keep the heat on or is that leave that up to the building committee? Buildings committee
um you know I did check um yesterday just on what the um what the costs are. So with the part-time use of the library like starting November, December, February,
I get more updated figuring out. But for propane, um, like in November of 24 it was filled. It was $346. So that was November, middle of November, November 14. December 28th, it
was $445. And on February 12th, it was $586. That's with the library being open part time. >> It's Marian told me she said the heat at
>> I think she sets it 60 or 62. >> Um, but it's pretty expensive, you know, for part-time use. So, if we could say, you know, it could be left at 40 or whatever. It's
only going to be you're only going to turn on the heat like an hour before, let's say you have a meeting. You know, we could bring down those carrying costs because for me that, you know, that's that's important.
Shouldn't be this is a it's a lot of money. Um John Hansen was inputting all the um inputting all the utility costs and I heard this look I was going >> um not the only heating.
>> No, they had the mini smith. So then I didn't she didn't have all the electric up yet. So I was getting the electric I just had like from April and May you know April was 130 May was 90 but I didn't didn't get it for and I will get those figures for summer when you have
the AC on um that be money to do some well I didn't get to master the other thing because I just from looking in the basement it's pretty clear that that or
uh the window is open all the time which seems not smart. Um and then there's need for more insulation above. Right. >> Right. >> I think the u thing that would probably be most
benefit is that rotted base window. It's so rotted that the panes of glass drop down entrancing. for this wide open I think they're coming
I think reinssulating basement because there's been a lot of mice infestation and it a lot of it's fallen out that's probably going to I mean you could do it yourself that's going to be an expense
the attic space would be probably the easiest to blow more Well, I um had intended and I just didn't get to him to call Mass to see whether or not they had um any municipal um buildings, but you know, I I couldn't
ask um Bren Haley to check with Joe's office just to see if there's anything else out there. I know municipal empowerment act Susie was mentioning earlier um I think included provision you know to help cities cities and towns
with public buildings but you know maybe there's some energy money to tap into just >> so much for receiving [Laughter] all thousands and thousands
>> and we got at the library mass safe was that mass just >> we got all new lighting at the elementary school. >> So lighting isn't the issue there. It's insulation.
>> Um so maybe does it make sense like to organize in I understand yet doing it's all part of one big picture but there's some real shortterm immediate
needs were here that regardless of how the building's going to be used, right? That we should ex that we should pay attention to. of the window and if we could find somebody to be on the front porch and if we could find somebody the
insulation right regardless of who or how it gets used right having better it better insulated Simon you have meetings over there do you feel we should have the bathroom so we'd have
to put the compost and toilet on this list. Stellar window, porch, insulation, and the toilet. I think if we could get a costly
done, we do a costbenefit analysis. What does it cost for? So, Maryanne runs across the street here now, right? >> Right. >> Um, it's not, you know, it's not >> eating at night. >> No, no, I know. building.
>> How many people have been got in the bathroom? >> All people I've never used. >> And in fact, on the Zoom, you watch people leave the bathroom. >> Um, so let's let's check on that. We
could say one of the criteria for missing the building is We'll have a porta potty outside. >> Um >> well, so the toilet's a question. Yes. >> But the seller window and the porch are on. >> Yes.
>> The time for the CPA grants that >> um so no, we still open. It's just opening. We're doing um expressions of interest right now until I don't know um the next few weeks and
and then but we could take the CPC could you don't have to submit an expression of interest and applications are due sometime in January. Thank you. I should know this better. But um >> but we should look ahead to that as >> right. So, use that as a you did you
guys did quite a bit of work for the front porch um already, didn't you? You had an application together. >> Well, I I can look in my um my notes, but I think it was we discussed it to the point of
I pursued finding that the building qualified. >> Yeah. >> Building could go for a grant. But then my committee decided because library was going to be new
thing and possibly going to be using not pursue doing anything. So as far as that went it has to follow the National Park Service um guidelines for historic structures. I think it's
national park. So funny what is it called? There's there's some guidelines that we just have to make sure in doing any design that it meets those. >> Well, what I >> because
because it's not historic registry requirements are a little looser. >> So for instance, you wouldn't have to use say fine stairs. Yeah, because when we were over there, I
was saying that when you floor it, finish flooring, best thing to use would be deposit material for the porch, >> right? But everything else we could kind of quote duplicate.
But you know if we if you do some if you do work steps that are painting now you got to maint. And if it's my experience as a home inspector is unless you use naturally durable wood for the steps
not going to last. >> Yeah. There you go. Um, >> okay. >> And the historical photographs, I mentioned this, the historical photograph of the building >> when it was completed. There's no
handrail. >> Oh, right. >> But a handrail is required. And there is photograph that I found, >> I don't know if it's from the 80s, there was a metal coming down the stairs.
So, um, >> so I don't want >> there's no historic precedent for a certain type of handrail as far as building. Anyway, that's something ended to someone.
>> I don't want to lay all of this on you because it's sounding like >> um so I I can check I'll do the mass save and I'm going to go get the rest of the
um utility numbers because I think it's just reasonable for everybody to understand. Um, and if you can talk to Jeff Wacken Bush then about doing
>> um >> measure drawings. >> Measure drawings. >> Um, if we modify >> Yes. get the existing drawings. Um, getting
estimates on the basement window, reinsulating the basement in cellulose and a composting toilet. Mary Joe, would you be willing to kind of do some like talk to your friend about the composting
toilet and what our options are? >> Sure. >> Everybody thinks of composting toilet. I mean, that's probably our cheapest, least expensive, >> right? Especially if we're looking at something that's not every day a whole
office, a whole department working there. That's >> Yeah, because >> that's assuming that it structure can stay where it is right now. If we have to drop it down floor
level, that will be a big job. And >> what floor drop? >> Right now it's raised up. You walk down in there, there's like a half wall and it sits on a half. Right. >> And I think that was part of the problem that that really needed to be lower. >> Yeah. >> Right. Isn't that even Well, that's what
that's what >> Brennan, I think, was presenting that. So, I did not know that. >> It's not like a Yeah. And look, I thought it was on a 2 by two or 4x4, not 2 by2, 2x4, some sort of wooden
framework that was built to support it up tight to the floor. That's that's my memory. And I thought I remember half concrete wall, but I think it's concrete. >> It's on a concrete wall, >> like a slab. >> Well, sounds like everybody else.
>> So anyway, >> I think that's part of that that was part of the problem. that the problem wasn't working well was that it's it's too high. It's too close to the input area. It had to be down lower. Some reason I
>> um I could get Ben to come look at it. Okay. >> If I knew how to get him in there after Mary and she >> Okay. >> Yeah, that would be great. >> Yeah. Um and then um
but So at our next do if we need two >> um do you think does that leave? >> Yes. you around at all or you got >> leaving the night
>> and back to >> um we really had a date the 13th it's Thursday. and keep
up the 13th and then two weeks from then. >> Do we would it make sense to me like on the early the following week? Um like this Oh, you're not back till the 20.
>> Yeah. Okay. I'm on the road on 13. >> Okay. Um, does that give you enough time, Stephen? And and Jeff, do you think assuming if you have plans to do
some measuring? >> Um, I think certainly measure it. Uh, if Jeff might I don't have >> Does he have CAD stuff or >> I don't know. I don't have to do that. Um, my husband does. I I don't want to
commit him to um if if Jeff I assume Jeff does too. >> Oh, why don't you um you check with Jeff and then uh Jeff Jeff is a temp
volunteer so he sees my old husband all the time. Um, so they can well the other thing is that if there are drawn plans that proceeds of all of this, >> but it's much easier to work with a little drawn where you can, you know, you know, if you're not really with a
big blueprint, you know, it's um to have some, you know, something that's on the computer to move walls around. Thanks. There's plans for the accessibility project and perhaps offer the math antic.
>> Okay, great. Great. That would be a good tele. >> Okay. And you'll let me know. >> Yeah. >> Stephen, the the basement wall basement window drop down. Were you talking about the
need to actually replace that or repair it? Because I would repair it to >> um have to look at it. Um I think my my hunch is that sill of the window >> is all rotted out
and looking for something to do. >> I'd be happy to to do that. I mean that's the kind of work I do anyways. >> Okay. Yeah. it's doable for, you know, me rather than replacing the
>> Well, you can take a look at it. See, >> I mean the the other question is is a window actually >> a board space, right?
something we haven't addressed yet either. Well, and you remember the basement, the quote basement is a small portion, most of its crawl space for recording might be I I don't know. I mean,
>> you know, it has a dirt floor. There'd be there'd be concerns about controlling moisture. I mean I don't have family >> there is but I don't know what it wasn't wasn't
running when >> we were there >> you know and the dehumidifier I mean you can get a dehumidifier with pump >> but problem is couldn't really have a dehumidifier in there unless the building's heated
>> right then we go >> yeah So, >> okay. Um, all right. So, I um what what I told the select board was that I
might be prepared to give very brief update at our next meeting because we had asked May. Um, and I think that probably be
just to talk about what we're thinking about the actions that we're taking because everybody's going to start seeing you all down there. What's going on with that library committee? Um, so you can you can do that, but I think we have a plan. So we would have the we
have the drawings and then once we have those let's say the next meeting we had some more information about mass save I have the utility information which may or may not be I think you know it's good information but I'm not sure I make any decisions
based on that. Um, you've had a chance to take a look at the window. Um, the application for the CPA application look into that toilet.
Um, and the insulation stuff. Um, it's bat insulation. It's a it's fiberglass bats in the the crawl space. >> Crawl space. Yeah, >> the better thing to do probably would be
to put up some something rigid than uh stack cells because otherwise if you put new fires >> just it again. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You have the same same issue. I I wonder if the whole insulation is a back or farther back burner thing because the the kind of use we're planning is so much more minimal. It's true that all those things would help and if we could
get a mass grant to do it that great but that doesn't seem to me to conclude moving forward in the directions we think we're going. >> I agree. Yeah. >> I mean I think the window >> definitely >> window the stairs the toilet
See? >> Yeah, I'll get that. So, I'll ask. >> Excuse me. >> Um, >> excuse me, Rita. >> Yes. >> Um, I have an appointment at noon and if you're interested in public comment, I
would appreciate like a twominut opportunity. >> Okay. So, I just want to check with the committee members. Um, do you how do you feel about taking a public comment at this point? >> We might be doing all of that later. >> Yes, because we have I have to leave it
to them also. >> So, we need to wrap up our part, but >> no, we have four minutes, Susie. We have four minutes. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Um, well, we Yes, Susie has to leave. We
have to finish our meeting. But Mary Lou, I would say if you have if you have comments based on everything you've heard, why don't you send us something in writing and I think we'll defer to our next meeting. We had a lot, you know, I think we got a lot done today. Um, so um, and we did
have it on the to talk about on the agenda, but we have to wrap this up. >> Okay. Do you have an email? I could >> um you could just you could we don't you know we're not a like a a permanent committee but you could send it to Rita Frell and shoot down or actually send it
to um Brennan and he can distribute it um >> Brennan [Music] Townsbury.org. >> Yeah admin assist.org >> I couldn't make that out. Admin A D M I N >> Yes. >> AST
[Music] assist. Oh, I'm sorry. Assuming >> I got Thank you. Good day. >> Okay. You're welcome. >> Good day. >> Byebye. Um Okay. And so let's see. So I
think everybody has an assignment. That's great. >> I think One of the things I will work through is make a list of people who you've talked about using it as a committee who have a different use in mind. Um
and um maybe I will start looking at some of the town clerk um motions what parts are in that land and what maybe some cross would be associated to that that's down
the road but I can do that. Okay, great. >> Uh, so we think we have the Is there anything else for the agenda? It sounds like we have a nom when we come back. Um, >> we do, but I won't be here. So, >> I could just have one minute.
Absolutely. Go ahead. A few my thoughts about public. >> Yes. >> I think it's really important. I've done those, you know, one of the strongest advocate for public decision, public decision making as fine, but I think the way it's done is crucial. I think it
should not be during our meetings. Uh I thought about, you know, I know there was talk online about, you know, people getting a copy of that survey and submitting it. The survey is not appropriate for general public type comments. If we want to do that, it would have to be a different survey. But
personally I think uh to do that you know we have to kind of lay out some of our preliminary thoughts about what is feasible you know what is not what is worthy of commenting on what is not and rather than do that I think more of a
public workshop kind of thing would be a better way to do it because then you get an opportunity to do a presentation beforehand. >> Okay. Um, and then I think it's also important to be able to differentiate between what we're trying to do is
determine what the needs are of the town versus what, you know, the public would like to see or what desires are, needs versus desires. >> Very important distinction. >> Yeah. So, uh, anyway, I and the last
thing I'll say, I mean, I've been out on a lot of committees over the years, and it's nice to be able to have general public, you know, kind of chime in. it can get out of hand so quickly and that I think what frustrates me and I know a lot of other people you know uh about
serving on committees that you know the meetings get so long and so if we're going to have a public input component you know to our meetings and you know like five minutes in the beginning or something structured like that is the
only way I would you know be willing to continue to participate on the library building committee We allow I forget if it was five 10 minutes at the beginning of meeting for public comment. Now
>> where does this go? um our comments, our survey, we we don't have an entity, right? We it would only be attached on my town government to our minutes. Having this be accessible to the public, these the public survey, the public
comments >> false >> um might be appropriate. I mean, it's public. It was part of our meeting. But who are we where do we see us on the on the >> Yeah. When we have um >> ad hops
>> ad hop committees. So let's take the storm water. I was going to say wastewater the storm water. Um they how do they show up on the website? >> We have on the town website. >> Okay. We on the town website and on my
town government it's attached to the meeting for minutes. Correct. So >> are those documents attached to those? Um Mike meetings. >> I don't know if the doc I don't think the documents have but
I mean we could always upload that to our page on the website. >> Couldn't do all the individual survey for us but the u the summary because that's what we're using in this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So I think that that's another way to start engaging the public. a lot more
questions, but those questions can come to the workshop where we sit down and sort that out a little later. It's not right now, >> but then not having access to the information unless we put it somewhere. I'm just thinking of previous
experiences, you know, you know, >> you know, maybe we should have been our survey said, you know, as always, you know, any comments you provide could be public, right? >> You know, and not having said that, I say, oh boy, I hope we don't have any comments that people don't want to have
there. They would have responded differently if they had them public. But >> hey, >> they are everyone should know that by now. I guess >> this is hard. I don't see it in here.
>> Yeah, I didn't. >> So, um, okay, getting back to I I I appreciate your comments about public engagement and I agree. Um, you know,
I didn't have public comment um for this meeting because I see this as a like a we're working. Yeah, this is a real working where we have a lot of research to do, but you know having a sort of engagement and I think you know reporting back we could do that in a in
a meeting that's exclusively um set up to you know give our thoughts we could show pictures of or plans that sort of thing. Um so let's we'll plan that at some point into the into the
future. Um, okay. Anything else? Everybody have their assignments up to date with the historical and the long aging and >> we'll be done with that. Yes. >> Yeah. Yep. Yeah.
>> The rest the rest just goes just Yeah. Um survey and comments. So um so the documents we've worked on today were the record storage the surve the survey compilation
um and the um the comments narrative and I just I just want to make one other kind of statement for anybody who's not here who's might be listening to this
meeting um there was some discussion excuse me, at the um historical commission um that this was a very I can't remember I wrote down the words when I here um that this was a oh yeah I
do um that this was a like private process this was not a public process which I was a little alarmed about um and it was not um nobody um a corrected person there um
that um that was too small a committee that it was not representative but you know I wasn't there to speak up to say we did a public announcement about this we solicited >> people to come in all these meetings
that are hosted they're all public >> nobody's hiding behind closed doors and this is not the old guard um which said um making decisions behind closed doors. Our doors are open. They're open
to the public >> and we aren't making decisions. We're making recommendations. We're not the deciders. >> Exactly. We are not the deciders. Right. Exactly. We're making recommendations. And also that it's also stated that um that there was a predetermined outcome
which it wasn't mentioned. Um that's why we had this committee. Um, so I just say that for anybody listening >> at the historical commission Aiden >> members or members of the historical.
Yes. Um, >> yeah. So some discussion on next door as well then right >> the other piece that I want to say about what the record storage committee did is it just listed all the
all the pros and cons. We didn't make the decision. >> Of course, nothing happened as a result. >> But um in the end, I think that is a good way to present. It sort of meets the public need to understand where the um where the weights are in in the
discussion. And so you don't have to make the decision, you just have to say this will work, this won't work, blah blah blah. >> Right. >> Right. And it's really our um sort of how
the recommendation will be made to to the select board but ultimately because there'll be financial application. So you know town the town gets to to weigh in. So there might be some things that the sled board said yes, we'll just go
ahead and move forward on with um the MN spear building because we we need to do that to protect the building um and and come up with some use guidelines and that sort of thing and but anything that um beyond even well CPA anything that's
that's a significant monetary um cost we Bill it's going to go to um Okay, great. Um so we will meet again
on 13th if you can participate. Um >> you can watch TV after lunch. >> Oh, good. Good for you. Um yeah. Uh, >> do you need a motion? >> Yes, I do need Can I have a motion to adjurnn?
>> That we adjourn. >> Second. All those in favor signify by saying hi. >> Thank you very much. >> Good group. >> You're part of the old hard Okay.