Oh boy, there we are. Alan to join. All set. >> Okay, I guess we're ready to go. Uh, welcome everybody. Uh, this is the February 5th, 2026 meeting of the MN
Spear uh, Reuse Committee. I guess I think that's our name, official name. Um, I'm Paul Lions. I'm filling in today for our chair, Rita Farrell, who um got banned to some tropical island for a couple
weeks, I guess. So, anyway, hope a good time. Um this is a hybrid meeting uh that uh is being uh monitored uh recorded, I'm sorry. Uh so, just be aware of that. Um it looks like Alan
Weiss has joined us. Thank you, Alan. We'll be with you in just a minute. Um so uh any announcements or any important business that needs to be addressed right up front.
All right. So um how about if we review and approve the minutes for the second meeting first of all. Any comments or corrections on uh on those minutes?
>> I did have Sorry, >> I don't have any. >> No. Okay, Joe, you all set? Set. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, I I had one minor change. Uh and my note said on item 4C, uh the well is contaminated with salt.
Yeah, that's what uh I guess since we're talking about both >> in this section, both the church well and the town hall well thought it'd be important to uh clarify or see >> just say the town hall well is contaminated with salt. I mean the other
one might be as well, but uh >> we don't know that. So at least this was referring to the town hall well >> and that was the only change that I had. Anything else? No. >> So, do I hear a motion to approve the
minutes as uh corrected? >> So, moved. >> Second. >> And second. All in favor? >> Johnson. I mo I >> lion's eye. Okay. Minutes are approved unanimously.
And uh we'll go to uh agenda item number two. Discussion with Alan Weiss about wells and septics. Uh Allan still with us. I don't see him anymore. >> Think he's still in the meeting.
>> Yeah, Alan, you can uh unmute yourself if you're still there and uh and join us. Are are you here? >> Maybe H will step out uh for a moment. >> He's in his car. >> Yeah, that's right. >> There we go. Can you hear me now? Yeah.
Okay. >> Great. Thank you. So, Alan, you you're with Cold Spring Environmental Consultants. Is that right? >> Well, we may have an issue with you coming, you know, fading in and out. Uh
so, >> if you uh Oh, there. >> Yeah. >> Are you able to hear us? Okay. >> Technology is friend. >> Yeah. Well, if you are Alan, it seems like we have a a connection issue. Um,
you kind of come and go. So, maybe um if you are on your way somewhere, maybe we can just give you a couple minutes to relocate and then try again. >> I'm back if you can hear me. >> There we go. Sorry about that. I was
just trying to get it to go to speaker and it was not cooperating. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Hear you now. >> Yeah. So, go ahead. Yeah, I was going to say uh you know, you you've probably uh already know what this is all about, but just for the um sake of kind of bringing
us up to to you know, speed and also for the sake of anyone else who's going to be uh watching or listening to the uh to this recording at some point. The issue is basically that um uh we are trying to figure out how to reuse our old library
building and we the committee has pretty much decided that um whatever we end up doing with it we think a functional bathroom is needed on site. So that uh obviously requires um connecting to a
both a well and a septic system. Uh neither of which uh the building is currently connected to. We have a couple options. Uh there's the uh both a well and a septic system on the town common
property where the the building is located. It's presently used by the church that sits in the middle uh or up on the town common, but it's the both the well and the septic are actually on town land. So, uh we thought those might
be an option. We have spoken with the uh church officials about that possibility. They're open to uh working something out, but they're potential problems at least with a well there. The other option is to connect across the street
here in the existing town hall where we have uh both a well and a septic, but that would require getting across the road uh with both of those. So um so we um I guess Rita Faroh, who wasn't able
to be here today, had uh asked you to uh since you've got you know long history with the town to join us today to talk about some of the options. Okay. Does that all make sense? >> Yes. Um, everybody hear me? Okay.
>> Yes. Yes. >> All right. So, I get I I think it's probably best to separate the two issues. One is the water supply. And you mentioned that both wells were contaminated with salt, the town hall and the church. >> We don't know. We don't know about the
the church well. The church well is a a very shallow dug well. >> Um Yeah. And I know they have an issue with quantity. I'm not sure about the quality of that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Um, so there's an issue with that in that it's a let's
just say it's not a uh up-to-date well. It's not what we would be using today for a public supply source. >> Correct. >> Um, I guess that would be a bit problematic. I don't know if you're even interested in just
um pursuing that or not. Sounds like that has limited Yeah. potential. >> Um going to the town well, you said it is impacted by salt. >> Um correct. If I'm not mistaken, you probably supply bottled water for drinking at town hall. I think I've seen
that. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> And you'd probably have to do the same here if you were to use that source. uh assuming there's enough source to it and no treatment is added. Um the alternative would be to drill a
well on your property. I tried to look at the registry of deeds. I saw no surveys that actually showed me accurately what the properties were. Um I don't know if you have one. Um I
we don't we don't have one presently. I don't know. Uh, Brandon, if one is available, if you can locate one maybe. I thought I did find it on the Mass Land Records site. Is that where you were looking? >> Yeah, feel free to send me the link you found. All I saw was accessories maps
and those are not legal those are not legal boundary maps. >> Okay, that that's what I was seeing. Yeah. >> Okay. So, yeah, that I can pull up on the GIS and or look at the what's filed at the registry. Um, so
the other alternative the without really digging a hole or two at the property once I know what the property boundaries are, which may take the cost of a survey to be quite honest. Um, and I can recommend one if you'd like.
Um, I often work with say Randy Isa at Eaton Associates and Padley. >> There's others. Um um there are others. Um so the next step would be to determine if you have any soils that are suitable or even the
space to do something. >> If you don't have suitable soils and you don't have the space, then we'd probably be talking about a tight tank, which would take a simple waiver from the board of health that you can't put in a
normal type septic. I don't know how many employees or persons you're talking about or how many days of the week or hours. Do you have any idea of that? >> Yeah. >> Stephen, would you want to address that um since you've been doing some of that research?
>> I don't think we have any idea how how many people or >> Well, I thought we thought we discussed it being under 25 and blah blah blah that limit, >> right? But I mean, how many people at a given time or a given day? I mean,
>> yeah, we haven't decided, Alan, you know, what you know, yeah, what the use would be of that, you know, whether a department would move over there, whether we just use it for periodic meetings. None of that's been decided yet. >> I would say you may want to start with a meeting with your fire chief and your
building inspector and find out what is the building suitable for before you spend money on water and and septic. You may find there's other issues that you have to deal with before this. I
don't know. It's an old building obviously. >> Yeah. >> Um I would say you should start there. Try to learn what legal capacity would be in their minds and types of usage. >> Right. Yeah. Stephen Dolmus, one of our
members here, has been in touch with the building inspector on a couple occasions now. So we have been researching that a little bit. The fire chief would be uh would be able to fill us in regarding what specifically
>> the capacity of the building um the legal capacity based on square footage and height, ceiling heights and things like that. What you know if is 25 realistic? Um and then go from there. Um,
okay. >> I I think that'd be an excellent preliminary information because these septic and well regulations all want to know those numbers to try to identify whether there's sufficient capacity.
You may be looking at a tight tank if you're limited to just that small property postage stamp that I saw on the assessor's map. But it looks like part of the budding property is town property. >> But without a map of the church system,
I don't know what is available there to use. So, we'd want the records on the well and septic if there are any for the church and of course town hall, >> right?
>> And any surveys that you may have. So, that probably is a good place to start this background information and then from there we can talk about whether we can get the highway department to dig a few holes for us as a preliminary idea of what you've
got. We could do it in the presence of the health department or not. That's up to you if you want to make a, you know, a legitimate attempt at a park test. But I think you really need to know how much room you have >> first. >> Okay. So, the assessor's maps um
obviously are not accurate enough. That is that's what I'm hearing you say. >> No, if you look at the GIS map, it shows the property line right through the building. >> Right. Right. And if we knew though that you know I mean
there there are two or three different I think lots that are all town owned there. If we knew that you know for example a new well we're thinking about putting a well out in the middle of the biggest one of those those lots. We'd still have to get a survey done. You
think? >> Yeah. We need to know property lines. We can't just Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. And if you're if you are going to ask an estimate from a surveyor, you might let me talk to them as well
because they might as well add building locations to it and add topography contours. >> Okay. >> While they're out there. Yeah. And driveways and so forth. if um and then of course we'll we can
check with the board of health try to see if there's any information on those two wells and septics we just talked about. >> Do you know how old the church septic is or no idea? >> Oh well we have that >> I think we do. Yeah.
>> Okay is checking our notes on we we did meet with the church uh folks as I said and we've also had a meeting with our uh board of health uh people. So Um yeah,
date sound 86. >> 86 was when the septic was put in. >> The application was approved, >> right? We think it's a 1500gallon uh septic tank. >> Yeah. And the seating in the church must
be significant. I I I've never been in there. I don't know. It sounds like they don't need today's standards at a 1500gallon tank, but I'd have to look at the plan from 86. Um,
>> this is the permit, not the >> Okay, we have a permit. >> Yeah. Well, actually, >> septic system. Is that >> Yes. >> That would that be adequate for you to see? >> And there and there's a map attached to it that's certified. >> Okay. I would take whatever you have on
either property for maps and plans and permits. The more information the better. >> You would take meaning. >> Yes. For me to answer questions. Yeah. About >> right. Okay. All right. Their
congregation's quite small. Correct. >> This was for 150 people. >> They don't have >> the permits for 150. Yeah. There's maybe 40 at the most. A big day. And they don't use the bathroom. >> Okay. Um,
committee members, do you have questions for for Allan? We have >> Well, the other question was about bringing the water from town hall under the road over to the spear building and
what kind of um process or a general ballpark of what that entails. >> Well, basically, you got to find out first where it is on the property. Secondly, is there a well report on it? Was it
relatively recent or not? Um what is its capacity to see if it can take more demand? And we already know it's got a quality issue, but I guess that's a given at this point. So,
um, maybe your highway director, maybe I don't know if Tim's still around, maybe he knows or, um, because I know Tim and Walt and I all worked on things years ago at the highway garage regarding wells, >> but I mean, I can reach out to them if
need be. I know they're retired now. >> Um, >> yeah, they're both they're both available, but yeah, I think we we could reach out. Yeah, we don't want to ask you to do too much. >> If there's a well completion report for town hall that the board of health has, that's great. Then we'll know more,
>> right? Well, just uh just to confirm the the board of health has provided all the information they have on particularly on the septic. >> They don't have church septic or the town.
>> Well, as far as I know anyway, >> church, I don't know if church. Okay. >> But they don't >> I haven't rece I haven't received anything. So yeah. >> So we'll update him. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And we can always ask Katherine if she
does have something on the well too. So >> yeah, we didn't investigate town hall systems. We haven't gone that route >> with Katherine. You did not talk about that with Cat, >> right? We haven't done the Well, >> yeah. If I might might point out uh
Katherine uh mentioned to me that he has nothing on the water >> for town hall. >> Well on no road, >> right? Yeah, we pretty much we've kind of taken that off the table anyway. Church well. Yeah. >> Right.
>> But yeah, you would think there would be information about the town hall. Well, >> yeah. Okay, we will get that Alan. Thank you for that. >> Good. Um the other and then the rest of the answer to the original question about that is then you're looking at the cost associated with trenching across
the road and um you could get somebody like your highway department or somebody like Dennis Clark to give you an estimate for that >> once we know that that may be an option for you. Yeah, >> it may turn out that just putting a well
on this property somewhere that works with regards to all the septic locations would be the better idea. Um, just be prepared for that. A normal well these days and 25 is a magic number. We probably don't want to exceed
that because then you're talking about a public supply well, >> right? Right. So, um, the, you know, wells are $15,000 now, basically with pumps and electric. They're they I used to say 8 to 10, but
we're really in the 12 to 14 range now. >> Okay. Um, if you go the tight tank route, you're looking at about a $10,000 investment. If you go a leech, just a guess, if there's
sufficient soils and room, you're probably looking at 30ish on a septic, full septic for public use like that. These are wild guesses. I'm not sure until I really see the soils and the percolation rates or if it's even feasible.
>> Of course. >> Yeah. >> But septics start at 20 right now and I just don't think you're going to have perfect soil up there. So, >> oh, a lot of ledge, I bet. >> Yeah. And I would upsize if I did a tight tank, I'd probably upsize it to
3,000 minimum gallons. 2,000's a minimum. >> Okay. >> And if you have low flush toilets, even better. You know, obviously they almost all are by code now. So, >> right.
>> Sinks and toilets and no showers. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> No laundry. Yeah. >> No sink. No washing up, >> right? >> Just hands, >> right? >> So, Alan, one of the the other issues that uh that's been brought to our attention is the potential implications
of the um uh article 97 restrictions. Um have you dealt with those, you know, for on town property where you're going to have to go through the legislature to get approval for various modifications? I'm not sure what would fall under that. Have Have you
dealt with those? >> I would have to look into that. No, not off the top of my head. >> Okay. All right. No, you don't have to look into it. We >> No, I probably ask somebody like your former health inspector, Charlie Kcki. He probably knows about them because they just finished doing a lot of work
on the Southampton town hall. >> Okay, good. >> Yeah, our our town council can look into it as well, but she said, you know, don't go to her until we absolutely have to. So yeah. Okay.
>> I would imagine that sanitation is exempt from the rules only because buildings need to have sanitation period. >> Those just in general sanitation water and sanitation rules trump a lot of other rules. >> Yeah. >> So I'm I'm not I'm just throwing that
out there. I'm not a lawyer. But >> yeah. Yeah. We were thinking that, you know, maybe a septic system would be fine, but a mounted system or, you know, even a tight tank may not. you know, I I just don't know. So, uh, we need more information about that as well.
>> Now that I said it, I'll apologize for using that word. >> Okay. Anything else uh either from you, Alan, that you can think of or um from committee members? >> No. Great. Well, thank you so much. We
really appreciate you taking this time and and we appreciate your expertise and and all that you've already done for the town and we'll be talking to you more, I'm sure. So, >> sure. Feel free um to send me even if you're not sure it's helpful, send it
along. Um I always say more information is better than less, >> right? We'll we'll pull together whatever we can and and get it to you. >> Yeah. And if Katherine thinks it's more appropriate for me to come to town hall and look at stuff, I can do that, too. >> Great.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Be well. >> You, too. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, so we've got a little bit of homework to do. Um, I guess, um, you
know, get whatever well information the board of health has would be >> I'll do that. the easiest thing that that should be fairly straightforward. >> Yeah. >> If their records are uh up to date. >> Um
uh the and we have the septic system information from for the church. >> Yeah. I that I'm not sure about the whole mapping thing. I it does seem like if we're not thinking if we're thinking we can use their septic, we really don't
have to do the land survey and the building could be here because that's not likely. Um >> yeah, it's just a connection between the two whether you know the survey might you know impact. >> Right. Right.
>> But yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And um I guess I guess the to me the next thing that would change our picture would be the town wells capacity and um
if that turns out to not be adequate then we will be talking about a water supply that's different. But um it also goes back again to the use. If there isn't a resident group there every day using the systems, then that's
pretty different. And so, um, I guess feel like we're chasing our tails a little bit. >> Yeah. >> Um, and, you know, he was saying the use Well, we've somewhat we haven't Your report will actually tell us where we're at, but
>> hopefully it'll provide some some clarity. >> Yeah. I mean, everything you say makes sense, Susie. I I guess the The thing that could uh trip us up though is if >> how they calculate that you know 25 person yeah
>> capacity and if you suddenly add a separate building to this existing one on the same well >> then you know what what is the number of people that they're factoring in for that how many do we have here right >> are we suddenly getting over 25
>> does anybody know what you know so there's a capacity yield test so find out what the capacity yield is. Right. >> Right. So I think that minimum >> or say a building and then if we add you know a small building do they define
that? >> Good question. Yeah. >> You know because Maryland is where I'm from residential transactions. Uh one gallon per minute is the minimum. Although experts say four gallons per
minute is a better minimum, functional minimum. And if you got eight gallons per minute, you've got a really good well. >> But I don't know how that would translate into a building like this. Right. >> I mean, when you think of how this
building is used, >> I mean, if you had a family of four people, you're probably using a lot more water than you ever use here because you're not bathing. You're not showering, you're not washing dishes, >> cooking, you know, all these things.
>> People, you know, and a lot of us, we come for a short period of time >> and unless it's like, oh, I need to use the bathroom, right? We go home and use, >> right? Or we use the bathroom before we came. >> Yeah. Right. >> The problem is, you know, the the state regulations are probably not factoring
any of that in saying how many people, right? >> This is what the requirement, >> right? But then how much uh leeway can we get from the board of health in Italy? >> But I thought that part of our research so far has talked about if it's being
used as a department versus just infrequent use, right? >> And and then when it's talking infrequent use, then it had a parameter of the 25 people. I thought that's where that came from. >> Well, that you're talking about that chart that I provided. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. the chart the chart there there was there was a number for if it was meeting space there was a number if it was institutional >> right and I don't think we got the chart itself but I think you referred to it I don't think we ever had it in our hands
so >> but didn't that relate to building code issues versus yeah like water supply requirements >> yeah it was building code you know how many people didn't get this. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Everybody can have that to enjoy. So Allan started off saying we need to know where the use is. >> Um we're not ready to make the decision about the use because it keeps fluctuating. But are we is your information going to
help us? >> Well, I think there might be some clarity. So okay, let me we move on to that. >> Yeah, let's let's go to that. >> All right. So when I uh touch base with Jim Hawkins, um you know, I was asking based on our last meeting
about if it's a police station. >> Uh >> and some of the questions I threw out are like these are some of the improvements that I would imagine. um partitions to create offices and closets, replacing the composting toilet with a functional toilet and sink,
replacing the floor furnace with additional mini split or splits, and upgrading the electrical service 100 amps and obviously some other electrical. So, um, you know, we I start with that
and then he says, "Well, is it offices for the police or is it a police station?" >> If it's a police station, it falls into the institutional category. And
and then he also said, "Are any exterior," Remember originally he talked about is opening walls on the interior doing gut rehab, >> but then he also said, "Are there any exterior walls being open or added to the building?" So, you know, is there any like ch significant changes like
would we be putting in say double doors or you know or an addition or all that? Okay. none of which you know we are thinking >> but then but then he starts going you know and I'm going oh and then there's this whole thing of
holding cells >> that's that's like a whole another >> right >> category >> right >> um so you know what he started he sort of I think concluded with he said you know
you need you need architect was knowledgeable with his code regarded regarding institutional structures and requirements to create plans to submit for review. But it sounds like going with a
police department station. It's going to trigger possibly some significant expense that until we have an architect involved, we're not going to know.
>> How do we define police station versus police offices? Do we know? >> Well, in my mind, if the police move over there, that's going to be the police station. I don't see that in my mind. I mean I don't I didn't get I
didn't get that question. >> So would this be considered our police station right now? What their office upstairs? >> So this sounds like it's related to the post the state's post program which is moving towards certification and
whatever accreditation and the demands that um will be met at some time. There's a hopeful dodge at the point where we are a small town and we are not going to have to have holding cells. That's one of them,
>> right? >> It is >> it the police department would like to be able to do the booking. So now it starts to sound a little bit more like a police station >> and it's the direction things will be
traveling in. So, would we put money into this building um to then with the plan that in order for it to become a full police station with whatever institutional pieces that has,
will that building be adequate to go in that direction? and um eventually. So I've always viewed this as a staged piece, but would we start staging that to be in that direction of a police
station and therefore have capacities to do things that aren't currently happening upstairs and so just the booking is not happening upstairs. So at that point is it called a police office?
Um, and is this room more capable of moving in that direction however far down the road that direction happens? Um, but we have talked in our planning that this
that we are accommodating the booking piece. Um, and we are talking in in either place is having a bathroom. >> Okay. >> Check. Check. the rest of it. And um
I think that if the modifications were made in this building to become a booking room, a secure um evidence room, um it feels like less of a lift than
trying to figure out where that building's going to go. So, >> but Stephen, you what what you're uh talking about with Jim Hawkins is building code stuff versus possible requirements of certification
or uh accreditation, whatever. Right. So, you're saying if it's a police station, it ticks in other building code related requirements. >> That's that's the way I >> Yeah. So maybe unrelated to whether they're certified or or credited. Right.
>> Right. Yeah. I mean I don't >> and that's what we I guess we would need to know what you know what >> Yeah. So I don't know how much information he can give. >> Right. >> I think I think Jim >> Yeah. Yeah. I think based on earlier
conversation it sounds you need to get the professional say architect who has experience who can guide us and you know who would come you know look at the building and be sending you know simple plan and you know
>> make this a police station >> right you know what do we have to do and can we do it in 900 square feet >> boy >> and I don't know that we need to go that way. >> Um because it sounds like now the
threshold for using that building at all, especially in dealing with um Jim Hawkins sense of what he needs what needs to be known will require an architectural step. Getting an architect in >> and then the architect's going to want
to know what do you want out of this building, right? And so if we're only like um casting around for maybe it's this, we have to pay for the architect to listen to us say, well, maybe it's a this. And
of course, the police department would be involved in that. Maybe it's a this. Um I don't I don't this road does not sound like the road I want to go down. I just >> Yeah. >> Seems like a big step. So even if it doesn't mean code per se, it means
thinking in terms we haven't been thinking in. >> And that seems like a lot. >> Yeah. >> Well, we're doing a great job of generating more questions. Sure. And
more expensive answers. >> Just later, we move to uh town hall. the next item. >> Um, yeah. You done with the the number three, the Jim Hawkins update? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Okay. All right. Yeah. Number four.
>> All right. So, um, you know, I thought about, um, plan. So, I K Wilson made some minor adjustments to the plan. And if you look at it, you'll see where
there are chose the wall wall that's being removed and then where there's new walls you see there's a sort of a diagonal hatch >> and then you know the new entry to the
kitchen the closed off door that was the between the kitchen and what would become a storage closet and then the new door going in. So I um sent that to um Anna Cook, you
know, integrity construction and um she said uh she said it's very difficult to give a ballpark estimate without knowing the full scope of the work. and she said wall framing that's like minimalist
variables that are going to affect the cost architectural oversight if needed you know stamp drawings architectural oversight inspections change order but then things like lead abatement I mean we you can almost be guaranteed that any
painted trim that's been here it's going to be speestous abatement you know we got vinyl speestous for tile and we don't know there's others Um and then if something you know let's say a plan moves forward got to do have
coordination because the building's in use and this work is ongoing. So, you know, staging things, getting things work. And then level of finish, you know, you take that wall out and do you
patch the ceiling or do you, you know, do new seal? Um and you know patching flooring where everything placing oh types of doors like if you're putting like the new doors going in um you do say slab door
like that or do you go with these six panel door you know all this that can cause a lot of variation in the pricing and then uh upgrading you know building fire alarm system which only
you know is in the addition there's no fire alarm system in the rest of the building that's monitored. >> There's no fire alarm in this like this room. >> Yeah. The only the only fire alarm in that
that system has a issue right now is uh in the entry of and upstairs in the new section. There is, you know, they they had an insurance inspection recently and and the gentleman mentioned that in the
boiler room that there was no CO detector. So, building committee, we put one in. That's just a that's not a monitor unit. >> I thought from being a TC that when they
tested the fire alarms, the whole upstairs hall would go off. So, so I thought that qualified as being a fire alarm. >> Well, I don't I don't I don't know that I can answer that, but I think the only sensor, >> okay, >> is all the way in the back. It might I
mean certainly the building's small enough that you would know but the fire is up >> closer to the front and then you know there's the question of in newer construction or changes do you need
the monitors in individual rooms. You know in residential bedrooms it's a requirement because you shut the door you go to bed. fire could start in the bedroom, but you're not going to be, you know, so my my thought, but I don't know the code specifically, is if you're
having a meeting in this room, you've got all the doors shut, you're in here, and a fire starts, um, you're probably going to know about it before this before the alarm goes off. So, and in my mind, you know, the requirements would
be in the hallways because if fire starts in this room, well, we'll say the fire starts in the boiler room and that moni that would have a monitor and that goes off,
you'll hear it, you know, you'll have you'll hear it. But anyway, and then you know the kitchen, you know, those cabinets that are in there were kind of built in place, so they're not individual cabinets. So,
it's not easy to change, you know, cut through and change and modify. And I think we'd all agree that kitchen cabinets are not the most fracted, you know. So then what do you do? You know, if we're doing all this work, how
how far do we go with the kitchen, >> right? >> So, so, you know, she said, you need a detailed scope of work to proceed. So, you know, who who's going to, you know, who's going to do that? And then detailed drawings that reflect that. And
she just threw out, she said, she said, I don't really know where to go with this, but she said 100,000 plus minus, you know, and I'm like, whoa. But you know when you think about lead abatement, asbestous abatement, those things aren't cheap and you know when
they find more than you know more than you thought and so not you know so again it's like we need a lot more specifics
which would take a fair amount of time and some of this you know we could generate certain things, but there might be things that, you know, say an architect might say, you know, given what you're doing,
we're going to need drawings. I mean, we're probably going to need drawings to have it looked at to see if it kicks in the certain code request. >> Okay? Just light pavement would mean we'd be would not be able to be here for
a while. I mean this would be sealed off. Um and >> well my limited experience with that is you can do a like a plastic containment area >> and then you have a fan which is
essentially pulling air so that your any lead dust that's floating around within the containment area is sucked in goes into a hepailter and it's filtered out. Yeah, >> we we did this at UMass. >> Okay. So, yeah, >> experienced it firsthand.
>> Floor pipes, lead pipes, the outside insulation, >> but but you could do like individual rooms. I think that's what you were suggesting, right, Stephen? Yeah. So, you don't have to have everyone leave the building,
>> right? Yeah. Yeah. But again, so I mean, if no one was occupying the building, it's going to be less expensive because if you have to set up a containment area, containment, you know, take that down, move to another space, it would make sense to me that it's more costly
to do it individually, but that's that's the way we would probably have to do it, >> you know. And then there's quite like all that window trim over there, those are all replacement windows. Is that new trim or is that old trim? You know, and
does that have until somebody >> It would surprise me with the public municipal building that that somewhere along the way there haven't been requirements to assess lead and asus and things like that. So, you know, maybe our first step should be to ask
research, you know, see if if there's information already available. Rita may know that, you know, but um or some other date offense officials. I think I mean up in the attic space there's a
little bit of pipe lagging that probably, you know, given the vintage of it probably has speestus in it, but it's up in the attic. It's not an area where people go. Same thing. You know, a lot of people say, you know, oh, you got
this vinyl specus for top. You know, it's a composition that has a specus fiber in it. And the way you get the fiber out is you have to pulverize it, sand it. I mean, you have to, you know, like if you if we picked up a piece of
that tile >> and broke it in half, broke it in half, there's no asbestous, you know, and it's not, you know, the asbestous isn't kind of oozing out. M >> so this is really a very low level of
concern but the adhesive so asphalt based adhesive that was used for a lot of this probably is under here but that has asbestous fiber in it and that's more of a concern. So if you take us on then you have to deal with that as
well, >> right? >> And the town has some experience because they did that in the front hallway, >> right? And I assume that one section of newer flooring there. >> Yeah. >> U so they, you know, and I think looks like going out into the hall, >> right? All the way to the
>> So some of that has has been done. But in my mind, you know, this you put a wall up here and other partitions. Again, I don't know what the specifics
are, but the floor itself is not a concern. Now, you know, if you're securing say plate for a wall, puncturing it, you know, does that in theory
>> elevated to a level where oh, you have to abate all of that, >> right, >> wall section >> because we're not necessarily talking about replacing the floor, but how the building activities that go on top of it
happen is where you're thinking it's more um a speestous abatement >> potential >> potential. I mean in my mind you know if I was if this was my house and I was going to put some partitions in the basil I would not
have concerned about this >> you know and I would just leave it uh or if I wanted to put something I put it right over top of it. So thinking ahead a little bit, I mean one of our agenda items today is uh starting to draft a recommendation
report outline at least for the select board. That's going to be a a challenge I think but um a lot of these kind of questions you know I mean do we need to do lead and asbesus abate abatement we don't know do we have any letter speesus
information right >> if not maybe we need to get that you know sooner rather than later you know so that we can you know and these are the kinds of things that we're putting report to the select board >> so they have a feel for okay I mean
maybe just the reconfiguration of town hall is not going to be nearly as simple a task as we were originally led to believe. We're looking back across the street, you know, for the police department or something else. So anyway, thinking about, you know, what what
questions what big questions we have that we need to make sure we pass on to the selectman so that the select so they can start making some some decisions. They're the ones that get the victims to make those decisions, not us, right?
Um, >> but I guess I felt like we our charge was sort of to see the path through this and and are like you said, we've raised a lot more questions as we try to see the path. But I was just
thinking like, okay, if we um if we end up starting the path here and changing this building, nobody it doesn't affect anybody. Um if there's a time lag here except for
the select board meetings would have to be in a different place. If this room started being deconstructed or reconstructed, the police can stay where they are right now. Waw wa. But that one moving people
out of this space as an office. Um would could be that that's why we use the spirit library because we talked about that at the very beginning that um if that becomes a meeting space, the select board could meet over there. >> Great.
um having them meet over there or any small meeting load. We could stick with there's no bathroom there yet. Um that's just a meeting space where these people are dislocated so that this space can be
changed so that the um at what point would um engaging the solution to the bathroom become necessary? And even if we did, I
don't see that it would change um like meeting there. I guess the trenching across the road and hooking it up would do some disruption to that building, but not essential disruption.
Um so that's the kind of that's what I thought our picture would look like. We do this first, then we can do that, right? And then and then while we're doing that, this is the the um tangle.
>> Yeah, I I totally understand the logic in that. I I guess my thinking is that the you know if our charges chart a path >> uh that like an intermediate stop along that path maybe we got to get more information before we make a final
decision or the select board makes a final decision even about reconstructing you know this space >> because you know asbestous and lead abatement can be very expensive propositions. So you know if we need to find out about that before we the
recommendation to go ahead with the you know reconfiguration of this that's important. >> Mhm. And maybe you know in addition to those questions would be when when we
create this scope of work what level of improvement or you know detail you know like can you know well first off you know I think of contractors coming into
a job and you know you say say the kitchen Well, we want you to modify these cabinets. And I mean, I'd look at that and like I I'm the contractor. It's like I don't want to do that. I mean, these are crap.
>> Fear them. >> And and so it might be very difficult to even get a contractor who's willing to do that. And and then I also say, and it's really a pretty unattractive space. So, if we're going to go to the trouble
of changing it, I mean, I know there's some expense, but you, you know, maybe you don't need as many cabinets, I'm sure. You just do something that looks better. you know,
change out the stove, the refrigerator and the dishwasher can all stay, but you you know, but that's that's a stage that could be reached later. Um, in terms of functioning,
pulling that space out of there. Yeah. and uh using it as the evidence room or booking room or whatever. The kitchen does need to be dealt with at some point, but it wouldn't have to be done then. Um because the kitchen >> Well, I think I think it does because
you're going to change the location of the entrance and that comes right through the cabinets. So, minimally you have to do that, >> right? Yeah. you have to put in a new entrance, but the stove and the other cupboards underneath, you know,
um I don't because the use in that kitchen is so minimal, right? >> Um so, and at this point, we have such a big wave of stuff, right, >> stuff to sort out. I do agree and it would be in maybe our recommendations
that this is um another project um that would have to get scheduled in but um I guess I don't want to uh tackle more uh
there's recommendations but again it's the staging part. Yep. Yep. It definitely should be dealt with, but it doesn't have to be in step one or step two or step three, >> right? I agree. So, step one, I mean, if we recommend, you know, going ahead with
this reconfiguration here of town hall, what is step one, you know, and and what's required? What what additional information is needed? What ballpark cost are we talking about? That, you know, that's kind of minimum information, you know, that the select board would need to say, "Okay, let's do
it." you know, or nope, we can't do it. It's expensive. So, >> so again, I want to make sure we, you know, don't don't leave the kind of that basic step one necessary information, you know, to be able to make a recommendation. And, you know, again, I
I keep coming back to the asbesus and lead issue. You know, I think we really need that information. >> Yeah. So, we would need and I don't I'd be surprised if there are any records because I remember when Becky Torres was TA and I was doing inspection in here.
Uh I don't think she had any information. Could be wrong, but I don't think any information, >> you know. So, really, you probably need to get someone to come in with I think it's called a spectrometer. You basically go around test all the surfaces, right? anything that's
painted, all the woodwork, and you come up with a map of where there's lead. >> You know, that that reminded me that, you know, Becky would be a good source of information possibly for something like that. Becky, do you know of any information on, you know, lead or
specialist testing in the past and maybe other things, too? I mean, he's got a wealth of knowledge about the town and the town hall. >> Okay. Um, was is Devin still planning to join us today? Uh,
>> um, I was just talking to him. He asked really next week because it's on a client. >> Okay. >> I I did come and talk to him on Monday. I thought this might happen. So, I do have some of his input. Um, we might want to choose to wait till he comes,
but I we we do have some. >> Do you want to share that now, Susie, or Yeah. would it be best to wait? All right. Um so we met here and um we talked about
what were the issues around um the the need uh needs and the first one he mentioned was privacy. What he didn't realize is we have louvers on all those windows. What are those called? Those Venetian blinds. >> Venetian blinds. Yes. I always thought
of those as bamboo, but those Venetian blinds on all the windows are sufficient for privacy. >> Um there would have to be some um motion detector for the room.
Um if it's if the motion detection is in the room, that would be sufficient. It could be put so it's sufficient that the windows anybody trying to intrude through the windows could be detected with that. Um, >> so an alarm system basically.
>> Yeah. Well, he called it a motion detector. >> Yeah. >> Um, he also said the windows could have a simple block of wood put so that no one can raise the window from the outside. Some windows come with a built-in night latch, but this doesn't.
But he said a simple block of wood would help prevent people from lifting the windows. Um because at this point the only latch is that one that most of them have that all windows have. Um >> there's a another uh device that uh not
sure if you could use it with those because of the insulated glass. We actually had a corner where the two sash >> drill in and there's a big essentially bolt that goes through the first one into the second and you have this
monster escape key >> and u that the wind you'd have to u destroy the window to open it. Yeah. So I I don't I mean he wasn't talking about whether these windows need to function for ventilation blah blah blah. We just
that that you could make a temporary um and I don't know where he if that was in his experience or you know to put a block of wood there take it off. Um we went through the visibility fencing.
Um yep he could see that a gate with a lock. Um the storage issues down here. Um police equipment. They're going to clean out that room over the um summer because
there's inherited crisis that could be gone. >> That room. >> That room there. >> Okay. >> Um um but the fact that other people can access that room is not such a great um idea for storing police equipment.
Although I there's nothing there that's dangerous. Um they do have a a gun safe and I believe it's upstairs. Um having an evidence room that's kept separate and locked is part of a security issue.
Uh and I think that was really the those issues around this possibility of this room. He has not been in the li in the old library building. He would
like to walk around and see it. Um he's only was in there when it was a library and he wasn't taking notes. So he wanted to see that space. Um >> I would too now that it's empty, you know, the instructor for all of us. Yeah. >> First book.
>> So, um and then I talked about um the stages of change that whatever happens would definitely have to happen in stages. Um and that no decisions made yet. Um
but we needed to understand what issues were in this room. He did not feel like these windows had to be blocked off with plywood. Okay. >> Once he saw that there were Venetian blinds, He thought we were talking about privacy through those curtains. And the
other piece I wondered about is if we um this became the police office. Um >> let's drill that into our >> Would we would we change the orientation of the um the building there? The little building
>> garage. >> Yeah, the carport and how it's fastened down. And he was talking about, you know, those kind of buildings blowing away. And I said that one hasn't blown away. I think that one's anchored properly. And you know what? If that needed to change the use of the space,
then that could be considered again as a staged answer, not right away. Um, so that that's all we talked about. >> Okay. So, it I'm taking away from this that he's
uh not uh sort of the serious opposition to this becoming space. >> I I felt that there was a more open view to it. >> Good. >> But if you know if he needs to walk it
back through the old built the spear, fine. Um but it wasn't like you know we're not considering it. Um >> right. Good. And that was why I wanted to meet with him in person in here in a just it's really hard to do everything in a meeting. You just need to some time
to sort of walk through the ideas that connect to it. And so I have a lot of notes about other things that we talked about. Um but that was the ones that we were addressing about how this room would work. >> Well, thank you for doing that. That's that's very helpful. And I feel the same way.
My concern has been that, you know, police were really going to be pushing hard or lobbying for just across the street and they were going to say this is not not workable. It's encouraging and hear that they >> might be open to this. Yeah. So great.
>> Well, I think the reason is because we're open to the concerns. You know, you got to be more specific about what it is that you're thinking and and so yeah, if they're talking about security issues, here they are. >> Deal with it. Yeah.
>> Okay. Are we at a place where we can start making other recommendations report um at least in outline form for the select board meeting or maybe at least identify the gaps the guts and where the
gaps are. Yeah. Yeah. Shall we try? Okay. Who wants to start on that? Obviously, we'll just, you know, start off bringing them up to date or reader will, you know, on, you know, our process, you
know, where we started, where we are now. Um well do we want to start by just saying that you know the more we have dealt into this the more complicated it is getting and the greater the likelihood
is that we will need uh outside consultants architect um le analysis asbestous analysis >> yeah that's what I want identifying right those kinds of things what
services and testing >> right >> you know will be re needed to be able to make a final decision so um I agree good >> so let's uh you know I I've been making
some notes on these things but I'm sure I my memory and notes are incomplete so can we just summarize what information we are still in need of and what services we think we're in need of. I mean, you know, probably a survey,
right, for the >> town hall town uh common property. >> No. Right. >> Not not yet. >> Right. Because if we're not going to use it for if we end up solving the problem
by having water here and septic there, that's not we don't need a survey. Is that right? Well, I'm not certain, as I said, if we're going to be trenching, you know, uh, connecting a building to an existing
septic system, will that a survey be required for that? Like, you know, Allan mentioned, you know, roads and buildings and well lines. Isn't it a well line going, you know, right across the path that we would want to have a connection to the
septic system on? So you know a survey may be required for >> which well line would go across that >> the existing well line for the church >> goes from the well to the church but a septic connection going from spear to
the septic tank would be crossing that well line in all likelihood unless you know it went around the well >> if we're facing the church. >> Yeah. >> Septic on the right to the left. >> Septic is on the left. the septics between the church and the old town hall
across the street. >> No, no, no. >> Yeah, that's what what >> what >> what I took away from the meeting. Uh >> so there's Oh god, I hate this. Where's the paper for that? Um here it is. So
here's the map >> of the septic system. >> Yeah. And so here's the church. Here is the library. >> Well, >> here's Wendell. I mean, here's Lever
Coolieville Road. Here's the town hall. >> Yeah. So whether this is the asbuilt and there's >> and there's there's >> and here's and here's the uh Leechfield. >> Right. >> Okay. So that's what I originally thought and somewhere along the way I
saw something or I thought Chris foot told us that the the septic system was not it's definitely not. That's good news then if that's the case for that. >> I'm wondering if if he confused it with the well of
>> well >> the well is down >> the dug well >> and now this property is just like that road. So, this appears to Yeah. >> No, no, this was a location here that um >> it is definitely over here. >> I remember him saying it was next to the
fire escape. >> Yeah, >> which is on that. >> Okay. Yeah. All right. Great. >> So, >> never mind. >> So, the water comes over from town hall. >> The septic connects this way,
>> right? And I, you know, we're we're not proposing um if if we go that route, we don't need a survey of the property. >> Yeah. I think I think if we go that route, what we need is we need the
capacity yield in this well >> and we need to know how that >> affects whether or not we can use that, right? And then an estimate >> that's the first >> trenching pot and what you know we need
to be uh below rods line. So it needs to be four feet down. >> Yep. >> Water line. So the question is what are we going to hit? U so that so there's this is slowly trying
to come into view. There's the water and septic for the spear. That piece and that piece is kind of regardless of what else happens here. Right. So, is that the first piece? And that first piece of
water and septic is to assess the town hall well supply and the cost of trenching because they want to know the cost. and the cost of hooking up to the church. >> Right?
>> So that starts with the assumption that you know the committee has decided that um a functional bathroom needs to be put into the the former >> well it doesn't even have to be our decision. It's like if you go this route
and we they can make that decision. But a component of a plan could be septic and water over at spear could be. >> And here seems to be a doable one. >> The most doable
>> probably. >> Right. >> Okay. From my notes, we'll just do I think it coincides with what Stephen said. We need to get the fire chief slash building inspector to check out the
situation before we do a survey. In other words, that the survey cost could be avoided knowing a bit more about the capacity. I believe that was the point that you made.
Um cuz it may may not. Yeah. >> I wondered what um I mean it was a functional building that um so not grandfathered use but it was already being used is as a library without the fire um in uh department
reassessing it. I guess maybe they would have to reassess it if it was going to change its use to say a fire office. I mean a police office. Um >> this is based on what Wells was saying, right? Wells actually.
Sorry. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. But I think um I when he was saying that I was wondering why would it have if you don't change >> you don't put a step between that. Well,
yeah. Or if it's >> Well, if we keep it as a meeting space, remember going way back the first interaction. >> If it's a meeting space, >> we don't have to do anything. >> No need. >> Right. Right. >> But >> we want to put a functioning bathroom, >> right? >> And it's a meeting space.
>> Done. >> And so we we can ask Leonard to make an assessment if we want, but it's not like a big deal because it was already being used by the town as a building that people came and went from. And I don't know that it's going to change that much
um in whatever plan we come up with. But yeah, he did want he did have stuff about the um fire. >> I I thought that was in the in connection with determining the legal capacity and that he needed that number
to figure out whatever he needed to recommend. >> Right. Because beyond that then the whole survey situation you know mapping you know the the topography property lines the whole bit that would fall that
would come later if needed. >> Yeah. because I was talking about putting in a well and a septic system and where they could be placed relative to property lines and and I I think we may have arrived at the
idea that that is not our first attempt. >> If we go that attempt then we have a set of costs connected to it assert land survey. But if we go with hooking into the church's septic and trenching across the road, once we determine if this well
in this building is sufficient, then those things fall away. >> Yeah. But determining if it's sufficient may require knowing what the capacity of the building, >> the use the use of it. >> Yeah, I think that's what Allan was saying. And the same with the septic, you know, is that septic going to be
adequate depending on what additional capacity you're adding to it >> and that, you know, relates to number of people. So, um, doesn't this mean we can we can put up a set of
recommendations that go down this path. If it's just a meeting building with a bathroom and it needs to not change radically, then um the then we're projecting a use capacity that's 25 people blah blah
blah. >> Right. >> Exactly. You know my thinking right now and you know this is just my thinking is that in this first presentation to the select board because it won't be on last I'm quite sure they uh yeah be some
hypotheticals you know if we this is what our thinking is if you go down this route this is what information is going to be additional information is going to be required >> right >> this might this information might be expensive to get this may require a
consultant, you know, this may require an engine. >> Um, if you if we uh if you decide, you know, let's let's hold off on the decision about that and just renovate existing town hall, this
is the additional information that we feel we need to be able to make that decision. These are the ballpark estimates that maybe we've kind of gotten even though they're really ballpark. M >> so you know that rather than kind of come up with a recommendations report
it's more like a hypothetical options >> I think that's right >> scenario and what additional information is needed to for you select board to decide to guide us on where you want us to to head from that which I think sounds good
we start with this with spear could say one option is keeping as a meeting space >> and then I would say no code triggers, >> right? >> Um and then but we we would s you know
and if bathroom then we need the capacity yield on the well to determine what the well can support. which I'm going to assume it's okay. And
I think one of the things we have to remember is if it uses a meeting space, it's going to be intermittent. The number of people uh will will vary and who knows um maybe there's a time when there 50 people, you
know, I'm just over there, but it's so infrequent. It's like, >> you know, at at the lake where we we now live permanently, there are all these little cottages, right? Some of them still original and they're hardly used. And then you have a weekend where there
are 30 people crammed into one of these little places >> and they're using the septic system. That's, you know, that's a weekend. The septic can accommodate them >> as long as there's enough >> water to flush. Okay. Um so I I think
that the capacity um of the building is really very low >> right >> in terms of how it would be defined. So, so then um and then second would be
so that's if we keep it as meeting if we want to go to we'll say police station >> offices. Well, I think police station is going to be it's going to trigger institutional use
and I think you just say we need an architect to come up with code requirements plan potential cost.
Oh, I guess I didn't finish. So, going back to it being a meeting place. So, we're going to after we do those tests, then what's the cost to run the water over? What's the cost to put the line into the
church's system, right? >> Right. >> And do e both of them have capacity to be able to to do those two >> 1500 gallon tank with that infrequent use in a 40 >> you would think person congregation.
Well, see, there's where I I would like to think that Katherine, >> right, >> can understand and say, well, you know, this was being used every day and there were 50 people in the church every day,
every day, you know, and then you had 20 people in here every day, every day. No, but she she's going to know what the kind of use is. >> Yeah. >> So, it sounds like the very very first key is finding out the capacity of the town hall. Well, but all of these other
pieces of information, um, I mean, we wouldn't even have to talk about a land survey, a tight tank, right? >> Um, a well, if if we already know this one piece. So, >> um,
>> but that's just our journey tells us that. Their journey might tell us something else. But we know that from looking at um solving the bathroom problem, finding out what the town hall well capacity is is the first step.
>> Yeah. So it's it's two capacities. It's capacity yield which tells you gallons per minute >> and then there's what by definition that yield can support. >> Yeah. That's And again,
this these bathrooms don't get a lot of use. >> And that one's not going to get a lot of use. >> So, I'd be surprised >> if it changes it >> if it's going to affect it. >> Yeah. And Susie, you're going to talk to cat, see if they have >> find out about this.
>> Plus, and you know, anything that goes on there will be something that might have gone on over here. >> It's true. which doesn't affect the capacity. >> I mean certainly if that becomes
>> if it was for meetings meetings happen here. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Susie, if you're talking to cat, would you maybe just ask her also if if we, you know, agreed into the septic there and assuming that is a 1500gallon
tank? >> Y, >> would the board of health likely give us a permit for that or do you have concerns about that or would you say no way? Yeah. >> You know, that would be helpful information. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, you want me to give a town hall a shot for stuff?
>> You know what I'm thinking? Since it's almost noon time, uh I'm wondering if you're willing, uh Stephen, to just kind of outline everything that you're about to tell us and including what you already did >> as kind of a starting point. >> I'm not sure.
>> I We're leaving next Thursday and it's starting to get a little and I and I have this uh >> CPC thing which I want to talk about. I have to and yes, because >> Right. So, how about if I Well, I'm
leaving Tuesday. Um, does anyone else want to take a shot at uh >> I'll take a shot at it. >> Oh, Susie, >> you're doing everything >> shot at the next steps out >> be in here at focused on what would happen in here.
>> Um, could you circulate it if and then people can chime in if there's anything >> that violates our chime in, but you can be prepared. And so I guess we want to look at what who's going to be at our next meeting and when our next meeting should be. >> Yes. Yes. So why don't Okay. So why
don't we leave this topic? You will, you know, get something started. You can send it around to us. We just can't really respond or discuss it. >> Um and then we will plan to discuss it at the next meeting though which the proposal on the agenda was for the 19th.
You won't be here, I think, Stephen, right? Or >> 19th of February. >> February. Yeah. >> Um, when are you back? >> I'm back the 17th of March. >> Oh, well, we're going to have to somehow
>> that was part of our planning. >> Okay. So, we'll have to plan to um meet without you once or twice, I'm afraid. So, the 19th is our next schedule. uh the the proposed schedule next meeting. Does that work for the rest of us? And
Rita will be back two weeks they were gone, right? And they left last Thursday. Yeah. Yeah. She should be here. >> Okay. So, if no one has a, you know, a conflict that except Stephen, why don't
we plan on the 19th with next meeting? >> Okay, great. So then you want to talk about the secret. >> Yeah. So everybody should have copy of what I have filled out so far. >> Oh no, sorry.
>> So I could just kind of go through this and you know any comments, suggestions. So you can see uh under so I listed um that Rita and I are the responsible folks. Um I don't have a phone number
for Rita. Put in her email, my email. And um >> I have her phone number. >> All right, I'll put >> Yeah, maybe to you instead of tomorrow.
people on YouTube would be called >> all sorts of calls >> and they'd be coming into uh St. John's. Okay, thank you. Okay. And then the CPA category smart preservation
project cost between 55 and 85,000. I also had a pretty in indepth conversation with uh Anna Cook about these. Um so you know as I state later you know won't know until we get some
firm estimates and uh Anna's company is a design build and I was thinking that you know using a design build firm for something like that my mind is reasonable. Um, in other words, they
come out, they evaluate, they tell you how they would do it, their cost, and it'd be there and throw out information, but you know, they would essentially develop the scope of work and then they get the job,
then they take care of it. And last night we had a building uh buildings committee meeting and I asked if buildings committee would be willing to uh put in any money and uh the answer is no.
Got we got a lot on our plate. >> Yeah. >> And so the monies we have keep to that. So then I got uh information uh regarding next page about the uh deed
book number and assessor's lot parcel number de page number which uh Brennan put me to the uh locations for that which was nice and then I described the project. So if you could read through that and see if you have any comments
description goals good actually called dental molding. Is that the term? Yeah. Yeah. Like teeth. >> Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Okay. So 55 to 85,000. Is that I mean is that
okay you give that kind of range for something like this or do you have to ask for a specific amount? >> Well, you know in my mind how can you ask for a specific amount? You don't know. >> Yeah. Um and Brad uh
>> but how can they make a decision if they don't know what we're asking for? >> They might allocate on the outside not more than blah blah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And then and then if we get estimates and nobody can
do it for that uh range then we have to go back. >> Think some more cans. I've been saving my cans. I need to take a hang on. >> Yeah, I do too. That's reminds me too.
>> So then um at the top of I guess page three, you know, they ask u it's question three. How does the project fulfill the general and specific evaluation criteria? So if you go to the preservation plan, I just pulled out things that I thought um met that. Not
that there might not be more. Um, looks good to me. Let's see. The U deadline February 9th. Uhhuh. All right. Yeah. And then timeline it again. It's like
I'd play timeline 6 to 12 months. Once funds are awarded, design build contractors will be solicited for project proposal and estimates and a contractor will be re awarded the project and then you know obviously they're awarded the project but they have to fit it into their schedule and
hopefully within a following six to 12 months contractor will take the front porch. So Rita would represent you at their CPC meeting uh to discuss this. It says, you know, be prepared to
appear before the CPC on Thursday, February 19th. So Rita would do that >> unless unless somebody else >> because you won't be here. >> I won't be here. I'll be at that meeting as well. >> I mean I
>> Yeah, >> I can put somebody else down if they want to be down. >> Well, I I I assume Rita would. I mean, she's on this, you know, application anyway, right? >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean, I you know, I figured I
needed to have somebody else on there because when I send this in, I'll I'll let Matteo know that I'm going to be out of the country. So, right now I can't be uh at that meeting. Is Rita on the CPC still? >> Yes.
>> Oh, so she'll be at the meeting anyway. >> She might have to recuse herself. >> She might. Yeah. And >> are you You're not on the committee. >> I'm on the committee. >> Oh, you are? >> Okay. Commission. >> All right. >> Half them won't be able to vote. So,
>> fine. Well, so should somebody else be out? Well, I'll check with Rita on that and uh and see if you know, being a member of the committee, you know, would uh >> would mean you can't really present something.
>> Um and if so, you know, maybe I'd be able to make that meeting, but I'll be just back from my trip. So, okay, great. Well, thank you, Stephen, for for doing >> Right. So I will um you know because I I looked through this is from um old this
was a project that was proposed by the buildings committee for project at Oldtown Hall years ago and Bob Gross was the uh lead person on that and they had total project cost and you they had dig
out they had mirrors framing you know all this Um but I great that they had it but uh >> you know and I don't I mean how can you have I mean we'll need to get at least
three estimates right we can't just pick right contractor right >> so I don't know how you could imagine that three contractors are all going to offer the same price if they are >> but that was that was
This is fair. >> Okay, I I have to rank. I got a job down in Ammeris. I got to get two. So, um, thank you again. Uh, is there any other unanticipated business? Anything else to bring up?
>> This is enough. I'm gonna gonna uh check with Chris Footit because I just happened to check my notes about with with Mark Ellis and my notes clearly say Hank and Lefield are between the church and Jungle Road. So I'm almost certain
that's what Chris said. He might have mistaken, but but that's what I'm I almost hear him saying that too because I I I remember thinking, well, that's where it is. So anyway, I will I will check with him and uh let you all know if this well at next meeting
>> if there's any change in what the plan shows. >> Okay. So um I think we are done. Uh we have a motion to >> motion to adjurnn. >> Second. All in favor? >> M your eye.
>> Goodness. >> Lion's eye. Unanimous. >> Thank you Paul. And one thing I learned from Jim Hawin Opus is >> off the record. >> Not off the record. It's it's not related to our uh I don't know committee
when we looked at um