I've vowed never to eat another cookie in my life, but I'll leave one of yours. >> They're They're warm. I just ben them. >> Thought I could. >> Oh, they are warm. It feels so nice. >> Well,
>> let me say no. >> Oh my god. >> Neil, can you hear us? >> Oh, we look so little there. He's driving so he might not. >> But other people might. >> Thank you.
>> Sure. >> Marian, can you hear me? >> Yes. Can you hear us? >> I can. Very good. >> All right. Very good. >> Excellent. >> Okay. >> Excellent. Thank you. >> It's a nice surprise. A little ginger in
there. Yeah. Thank you. Well, >> well, guys, >> look at where we are, right? >> Good morning.
>> I'm ready. >> It's a party. Yeah, >> it is. It's going to party. >> Drying by at night. >> Oh, I know. It's just Isn't that nice? >> Yeah. And all the u all the lights around the perimeter on the outside, they're very nice, too.
>> Did you see the picture that uh Cliff Reed took the picture of it at night when he came back um to pick up the cones >> at night on Saturday and he took that picture and now it's it's on the town website,
>> right? >> Yes. It's just it's so beautiful. >> Yeah. >> Well, how much will it cost to light up the exterior and the interior at night? The building looks so beautiful at night
driving by. >> Yeah. >> How much will it cost to you all night? >> Not all night. >> I don't think I think so. the exterior light. Oh, can we have it so that if certain people drive by motion
>> the lights go on both >> or the lights go >> the motion sensor is there but it recognizes your vehicle >> we've registered certain vehicles >> the lights go off from other vehicles >> I don't think that'll cost much to add
that that you know add that yes >> recognize the chosen few >> well I mean I'm willing to pay for Yeah. >> All right. >> Okay. Do we know where Molly and Jeff?
>> Molly's driving. She said she'd be here >> um a few minutes late. >> Um and then I was on I just ran back. >> Nobody else was trying to get in. So,
um, >> no, Jeff will either be here or he won't. >> Right. That's true. Very good. >> Right. A firm grip of the obvious. That's all we're missing. >> That's not too bad.
>> Nice. Let's see. Oh, that's nice, too. >> Yeah, that's a nice shot. >> There's Jeff. Jeff's joining us on >> last night. I >> drove past. >> Jeff's joining on the >> I don't know what was going on, but the lights were on and I said, "My god, that
looks so good." >> Yeah. So, you know, right now, I mean, I hear from now it's going to look much nicer with more the things planted >> once Kenny Penny kicks it into gear. >> A couple months. >> Okay. Is
>> it gonna really take you that long? Well, I have to wait till the ground freezes. Yeah, I think it is. >> It's interesting that our view is from behind me. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Camera back there rather than camera.
>> I bet they could switch it. >> She can switch it. Watch. Well, >> or Sam can switch it. No, I can switch it. So it can be >> No, I mean >> No, but that camera No, it's using that
camera. >> It's using that one right now to shoot towards us. >> No, but that that gets this. >> You've only zoomed in, >> right? Okay. So then this >> you want to you want to do a reverse? >> Well, you know what?
>> What? >> So it's this. I don't I don't know how to Oh, front camera. Okay, >> here we go. >> There you are. Front camera. There you are. Here we are.
>> Hey, camera. >> You know, like we This is the third Zoom meeting that we've done. So, we will learn new things every time. >> Every time. >> Okay. But that's better. Okay. I'm going to sit there. So, if if anybody comes
and I'm not going to admit them, Yes. I'll see that they have to be amended tonight for Papa. >> Okay. >> Do that. All right. We are calling this meeting to order at 7:05. >> 7:05 public comment. I see no public.
No comment. Although there were many comments. There have been none comments. So, let's see. Uh review and vote on the minutes from 128. All right. So, Molly
sit outside the side so that we >> No, we're reviewing and voting on the minutes for 25. >> Okay. I'm sorry. Who moved? >> I move. >> Move. Second.
>> I saw one typo that I said. I >> fixed that. And I fixed one. >> Did I send anything? >> No. I'm spiritually disappointed. >> I did. >> Send this. >> It just came today. >> It just came today. >> Where did the month go? >> Wait a minute. You just sent him out
today. >> Okay. Where did the month go? >> Because where did the month go? >> Um, there was one comment that Elaine had. Uh, she uh she had asked the question about
turning over the building to us and insurance and there was really no answer to it. I went back and listened to the to Dominic's statement. So, I I just took the phrase out. I didn't feel like it was that significant to the information there. So, >> yep.
>> And I made your corrections and your corrections. >> Thank you. >> Okay, we have a uh first and second. Any other comments?
Roll call vote Antonellis I >> Elvis I Foster I will abstain >> Jake's eye I >> MS I wish I >> Leo I
>> all right review of the grand opening >> was grand >> it was grand I think >> have you stopped smiling it couldn't have gone better it could not have gone better.
>> And I was just I noted on this the Saturday after which was our snow date. It is a good thing we didn't do it on that day. >> Exactly. >> So the weather was good considering >> I'm sorry you weren't able to be here. >> Yeah. I'm I'm sorry I wasn't here as
well. >> The joy in the building was palpable actually. I mean there were so many people at all three >> all day long and then people came all throughout the day you know they would
in between as we were cleaning up and setting up people would you know just show up you know out for a walk or out for a drive and they'd come in. So it was just great. >> It has Yeah. people have >> and 50 plus teenagers which is like
unheard of. >> Absolutely. Who knew they had >> right I mean that's that had to be probably the big shocker. >> There have been teenagers here every day. >> Yeah. Cool to see the teen room being used every time I stopped in.
>> Yeah. >> I like seeing I remember coming in at one point and every nook there was some different group. >> Yeah. Just >> I learned when I saw a mother and two young kids on the the love seat in the children's room reading stories
>> just like you thought they would. >> It's It couldn't have been better. It really couldn't. >> No, it was just It was a perfect day and and it was warmish, you know. It was just great. >> So, yeah.
>> Let's do it again. No, I'm glad it's over. We'll do a birthday party next year. >> Yes. >> Okay, >> that's great. >> Okay. Can we do an update on the final close out of construction? >> Um, so Roger and Neil, are we at final
closeout of construction? >> I would say from a legal standpoint, yes. you you've taken occupancy of the building, you're using it in its intended use. We certainly have achieved
substantial completion. Um, so I would say that we're officially in closeout at this point in time. Understanding that there are also some other items that need to be addressed, but yes, I would say so.
And do we have a financial report as far as how we how how we're doing on >> So we So we have we have not paid any additional bills since we presented last month. I I apologize Maryanne knows this. I'm I'm actually in the car right
now. So I don't have uh updated budget to share with you but it would be consistent with the numbers that we provided in December. But there's a payment request in now that is still >> we're Yeah, we're formulating. We just
received uh uh comments back from Dominic and Roger on the pending contractor's pay application. So, we anticipate that we'll be turning that around in the next 48 business hours and
have it to the town for a Tuesday morning warrant posting. Okay. >> I'd be I'd be happy to through Maryanne to update the budget based on that payment letter once everything is in and
submitted and I can circulate that to the committee in the interim if if it's so desired. >> Yeah. Once you once you've done that, we can just email it out to every >> Yep. >> Right. >> Perfect.
Are you do you have um are you on here that you could um put up on the screen you could share what Roger sent us today? >> Y maybe Roger could you share your >> Roger could you share >> your OPM report?
>> I think I could if you give me a second to >> I might have to give you permission but let's >> that's okay. I got to find the document here. >> Okay. Roger sent us a document today that was >> I think the the financials were you know
from the November report which is pretty much you know we haven't taken anything out other than what we've got outstanding for the December requisition. Let me Here we go.
see if I can >> while while Roger is pulling that document up, I'll take the opportunity to just uh thank the committee and congratulate the committee on uh a wonderful uh grand opening ceremony. I I
received nothing but positive comments from staff, from my colleagues at CMS. um from my wife who is a very critical judge of all of my projects both work
related and not workrelated. Uh but I I just again it was it was a it was a wonderful event. I'm I'm so glad to see the town turn out in such overwhelming numbers to support the project. Um, I
had a great feeling leaving there after the opening and I I said to to Maryanne and to Elaine and Jeff that I hope that you folks had the opportunity to sit back and just take it all in for a
minute. And it was it was very moving and I thought a very very fitting tribute to the work that you guys have provided and the support that you've provided to the success of the project. So I just again I thank you from from
the team at CMS and for myself personally. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> And I gonna say >> thank you CMS for uh covering the cost of all our refreshments. That was very very generous. >> Thank you. Yes.
>> Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you. >> I it was my pleasure. I don't even think I had anything by the way, which was a little stunning. But >> you were too overwhelmed with all the
people that were here. >> Too many meals, believe me. >> The teens got um pizza and a make your own Sunday bar. So, um it was just
um so I think they got the best um of the refreshments, but every everybody seemed to enjoy. So, >> I think the little kids love those skewers. That's for sure. >> Yeah. All right. So, we have the report
up. >> Yes. Um I think what I said you was we got uh the current requisition for December was approximately 146,000. There may be some adjustment to that but
um the retainage owed to the contractor and the um was still they haven't re returned any of the retainage yet. So that's 5%. So,
it's roughly $48,000 um owed back to the contractor as they complete things. And that's not deducting the um items in the monetary monetized punch list. Um
so, >> and so are do they bill us for that now? >> They as we agree to release it as things are done. Um >> once once the contractor achieves substantial completion
uh by law the they are entitled to request retainage less uh funds for any incomplete work or any items that are in dispute. So we will go through and monetize the punch list if it hasn't
already been done. We'll check off what's done and there'll be a substantial reduction in the retainage um at some point in the near future perhaps with a January requisition or a February requisition. I would expect
that request from the contractor and rightly so. >> And so that includes the landscaping, right? >> Can I go to this? >> Yeah. Uh yes, but the contractor knows that there's going to be a hold back on
the landscaping >> pending its final completion and establishment in the spring. >> Okay. >> So, that has not been invoiced at all. The landscaping work,
it's about the only item on the um schedule of values that's not at 100% minus retainage. So I I did have a question about that particular thing since um so much was done so late. I'm very
curious about of the things they hoped do it to do and planned in the fall. What was completed and planted and what wasn't and what is the process? >> I don't I don't believe that they have
built us for any of the landscaping as of yet. They haven't. >> True statement. True statement. Roger. Yes. >> Yeah, that's true. Yes. >> Thoric. Yes. Landscaping. Nothing has been >> when they when they pres when they
present an application for payment that requests uh payment for the landscaping work. We'll evaluate what's been done and we'll pay them. and what hasn't been done will be withheld either by retainage or by uh not paying the
contract item until the work is completed. >> But they do intend to do it. I'm one I will >> Oh, certainly. No, no, absolutely. They still have the obligation to fulfill the scope of work that's outlined in the contract documents.
>> Absolutely. And at some point we'll know what plants were planted and what weren't and what will be. >> Well, we should I would imagine that we should have some record of what plants
were in place in the fall. Yes, that would be great to know just as we >> look for um to the future when we can dig in the ground to know what is missing out there that they are
putting in. >> Roger, can you um contact Mike at CDI and ask him to put uh mark up a plan as to what's planted and what is not? Yeah, we and I we also have uh
>> a uh proposal request for for a credit for things that were substituted due to availability. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And in quantity. So yes, and that
plan I believe is with Udenello and the landscape designers for evaluation. >> Thank you. I have a question. So, uh, the project contingency, it looks like right now it's 316,621
and, uh, it looks like there's still some change orders that are being evaluated. Um, but I'm going to guess that it's likely that there will be uh monies left in the project contingency
fund. Does that make sense? >> Yes, I believe so. >> So, assuming that there's money's left when the job is completed, that gets returned to Shootsberry. >> Yes, it does.
>> Okay. But keep in mind that we haven't that we held out half of the landscaping to well, first of all, we hold all the money. Um, >> we the library
>> move to town. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And that we held out half of the landscaping to do ourselves. >> So, we still have to pay for that. >> I see. So, that money would be used. >> This budget doesn't reflect furniture. So,
>> and are we pretty much done with furniture? >> Yeah, except for little things like, you know, I bought the weather mats and we need a rug for in here for story time, you know, just little stuff. >> We've And there's still some cute computers that I have to buy. So, like I
have to buy the something for the selfch checkckout station. >> But every but we got a lot of grant funded computers. >> Great. So, >> and correct, Maria, that you still have uh remaining money to pay for the shelving,
>> right? I'm going to send Neil the shelving invoice, but they haven't and but I'm going to hold out some because >> they have So, we've gotten the AV invoice. I've sent that off to Neil. We haven't gotten the security invoice yet. And then we have the shelving invoice,
but there's still some shelving missing. So, I'm going to hold out some until >> that's complete, but he can pay, you know, threequarters of it or more. >> Okay. And the same is true with the uh the window film that you've
>> Right. I held out I held down 25% window film until the film comes off. >> Okay. >> Maryanne, since since we're talking about window film, what is the intended path for it getting that removed? Is it
literally going to stay in place until the spring? >> Well, the company that put it on is going to take it off. Um, and and I, you know, I don't I don't really I could email them and ask, but the weather's been so terrible that I wasn't, you
know, um I don't expect them to come out and remove it, you know, when there's snow in the way or when it's or it's very cold. Um, so, um, if our if the weather pattern changes,
um, >> in the opposite direction that it's >> I could see sending them an email, but I think, um, it may it, you know, it may be that they wait. I mean, sometimes February can be quite spring-l like and
February is soon. So, I'm I'm particular >> the reason. >> Okay. I was going to say the the reason the reason for my asking is as I had mentioned to you at the opening, we'd like to have the building photographed, >> right?
>> And I would I intend I had advised him that of the presence of the window film >> and he suggested that we hold off until the window film has been removed. >> Yeah. >> So I just I want to be able to just inform him what the intention is whether
it's near-term or long term. just so he understands what's what's in play. >> Okay. I've actually been talking to Dominic about um architectural uh photography and he has a company that
that I knew of also that he said would do aerial photos also because they have a drone but they would also come inside and he recommended that it not be done until after all the landscaping is done.
I think the building will look a lot better after either with the snow or after all the landscaping is done. >> So are you saying >> Agreed. >> Yeah. >> Agreed. When when I when I spoke when I spoke with our photographer, he was
going to do it in two sessions. He was going to do the interior photographs first and then he was going to come back in the spring once the grass had established and do the exterior photographs in the spring. Okay. So, you would have a separate
person. >> I I guess. >> Yeah. Because >> we we inv we we invited Odinello to share the cost of our photographer and they politely declined.
>> So, I would imagine I would imagine it must be two other two other companies or another company that's going to do it. >> This is a rally photography. A R I E L L Y. >> I don't know who they are.
>> Okay. >> That's who O uses. >> Yeah, that's who OE uses. >> Yep. >> And and they offered that we would go in on it with them to to have them.
>> And I was >> What is the cost? >> Somewhere between two and 3,000. >> What would be the purpose of that? to have historical records because remember the old building was built in 1920
and >> 02 >> 1902 >> pretty sure >> oh I'm so sorry I have the two and the zero >> it's okay it's it's not >> that we would want this for posterity and we would want to have records of the
>> Are we paying for it? Well, we would we would put in a share. He we wouldn't pay for the whole thing >> because would do it for free is >> architectural photography. >> Yeah. >> That's that's a a field in itself really.
>> How would those photos be different from the one Neil is talking about? >> I don't know. >> Yeah. >> I mean, >> I don't know. Truthfully, >> I agree that it would be great to have documentation of the building as it is now. Um, but I
would sort of sort through the options and perhaps choose the most frugal one, >> right, Neil? Um, >> yep. >> Would you share your photos with us? So I I I'm actually the way that the way
that the uh the agreement is structured is they come in and do the photographs. They touch them all up professionally and then I buy a license that is a perpet a perpetual license that gives me
the ability to to view, download and use the photographs. We typically use them for marketing purposes >> and um and for office decorations, frankly. And um I I if I if I have the
ability to save them and provide I'd be more than happy to share them with you. I I just don't I don't know that I can put them onto a flash drive and hand them to you and you will have the ability to view them as I do. >> I don't know. I think that's kind of
what the license thing is tied up in. >> Exactly. >> But I could certainly I can certainly ask them >> I think our I think the agreement that we made with them was it would be a package of 10 photographs and the cost the 10 or either 10 or 15 and the cost
was roughly 3500 bucks or 3,800 bucks something like that. Yeah, that that's a >> and I could ask I could I could certainly ask Lee if he was inclined to um uh provide a separate license to the
town for you to retain the photographs as well. >> Right. And >> no problem. >> Yeah, go ahead. I was gonna say that's that's about the same that Dominic was saying somewhere between three and 5,000 for um 10 or more photographs to have
your license to get the license for them. >> Right. >> And >> so I can I can ask I can ask Lee to to give me a ballpark >> and I'll happily share that number with Maryanne.
>> Okay, that sounds good. >> Yep. And yeah, Dominic is also going to share it with us. >> Yep. >> Roger, I think you're still screen sharing. Are you looking for something to show us?
>> You're muted, Roger. >> You're muted. >> All right, there we go. Uh just to clarify the numbers I had given you of the um if the requisition submitted stays as it is, there'd be $82,000 worth
of work remaining and about $325,000 in retainers. And that added up to the about the $48 that I had shown you in the report. Very good. >> So, we will have some balance left,
>> right? Right. Because of the landscaping and >> um punch list items. >> Yep. >> And that's separate from the contingency, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Okay,
>> sounds good. Before we finish this topic, can I know perhaps you just go over the things that are still outstanding? >> Sure. >> We have a list. Um so um so the the study room
door needs a handle. Um the director's office, teen room, and staff rooms. Um, the team room doesn't need a lock, but the director's office and the staff room need locks and they need handles
that that if they have a lock that it can be unlocked and opened in one motion. So now they have like these thumb turns and then you have to turn a handle and that's not ADA compliant. So, so Construction Dynamics and Dominic are
going back and forth with Lazot. That's the company that has did the doors about the locking mechanisms. They now have a solution. Um, and they're trying to decide whose responsibility it is to pay
for it. It's about $3,000. They'll have to come take the doors, bring them back to their shop, replace the hardware, and then bring them back in. So, that's one thing. Um,
okay. Um, that's a lot of money, >> right? >> For three locks. >> Yeah. >> Lock six. >> Okay. Um, so the phone line near the circulation desk um doesn't
work. Um, so that needs to be looked into. Um, there was no data installed in the director's office. Um uh and uh I know you know I don't Yeah. So they're going to do that. That's so there's no
data or telephone. It's $2,000 to put in the data. Um this is an additional cost. Um $3,000 if they put a telephone, too. I'm going to forgo the telephone. >> What is the What does it mean to put the data? >> To put a port that has data so you can
plug a computer into it. Oh, instead of because the CWMR software, we're supposed to not connect wirelessly. Um, and so, and I just want to be able to do every function in that room. So, um, >> I think you need a phone, too. >> I do, too.
>> All right, then we'll just do the phone. I'll tell them. Right. Yeah. You need a phone. Okay. Um, >> do it now then. >> Right. Yes. Okay. While they're in there. Okay. Um, let's see. The heat is wonky. Um,
sometimes it's like sometimes it's 73 degrees in the children's room. Um, sometimes the bathrooms are 73 degrees. Um, the director's office is always 73 degrees. Um, so anyway, we've been um, >> and the rest of the building is set at
>> well so like it's set at 68 and then sometimes it is 68 69, you know. Um, then there are these I c I can never vent. No. >> Well, those are those are electric fluid. >> Yes. They call them something, right? So, anyway, I've turned them all off
because they're always on. >> Yeah. >> And >> and they're expensive cuz they're straight electric. >> Right. I've turned them all off because what I what I understand is that they're to prevent condensation on the windows. There is no condensation on the windows. It >> It's very dry in here. So, I've turned
them all off. They came and replaced the thermostat on that one today. and and then they set it at 66 and it was like it was 70° in here and that was still on. So, I just turned them off. Um and um I've turned them off
in all three location. >> But that's what is the long-term resolution. >> That's it. That's what turn them off. >> Well, I think you know with all that glass >> Yeah. >> you got all that cold falling right down on the top of it. >> So there's the coldest part of the room.
>> Yeah. So it's always going to be the only time I would see that you might want them one is if there's going to be a function in here. >> Yeah. But if there function in here so before the grand opening >> so we've been so so the so the two people who have been here the most are me and Sam
>> Speziac >> and we're boiling and so we before any function we turn the heat down to 64. Um has anybody been cold during a function? >> No. >> Do you count now? >> Are you cold? I'm cool. >> A little bit. >> Really?
>> Yes. >> I'm boiling. >> Well, you should be sitting. >> Never been boiling in my life. You know what? You can go to my house. Okay. You'll be You'll be warm. Sit next to the wood stove. Okay. >> Wood stove. >> All right. Okay. >> When you have a large number of people
here. >> Yeah. >> I mean, we often >> Yeah. >> turn down the heat when we're going to have large things because there's >> Yes. Okay. All right. I could go over there and turn that on. So, what is this other heat system called? The what? Trench. Trench heaters.
>> Okay, >> that's the word. >> Plus, plus the film, you know, the the window uh that the bird guard film is actually causing the windows to be a little warmer than they will be >> in the future. In turn, >> we can turn them on. Yeah, we can turn
them on, but we could turn them to like 50, you know, so that they just Yeah. Okay. But anyway, that's that's so there was a problem. So this one is two units. The one in the adult room is just one. And then in the children's room, I think it's three units. And the thermostats
weren't working. In the places where there are multiple units, the units weren't all working. So they tried a new thermostat that's designed to work on multiple units, and that one is working. So they're going to put that in the children's room so at least they'll work. So that was one of the things. Um,
the Library of Things cabinet, the shelving is terrible. Um, it it's very slippery and it just slides right off the shelves. So, >> the shelving falls off. >> The shelving falls off. So, that that
the brackets are designed to go with wire shelves and so that's what I'm going to get. Um, and then they clip in. And for the Library of Things, that wire shelving is fine. >> It comes in white. >> It is. It's fine. They're gonna, you
know, it's like closet. >> No, I know what you're talking about. I'm just I mean, it has >> I mean, some of the things you have are going to >> You're just going to have to place them on the shelves. >> You're going to have to Yes. Okay. And then that same kind of shelving is around the corner in the hold section.
And I took a a pile of holds off a shelf the other day and the shelf came with me. So So there. So, I talked to CDI about that today and they're going to they it's not as important that the shelves can move. Um, but they're going
So, they're going to screw the brackets to the shelves. You'll still be able to move them. It'll just be one unit. >> Yeah, that was that was my solution. I was suggest Yeah. And that's fine for there. Where the library of things is, I need that to be a modular system that I
can move around depending on what things I have out. And um and so I think those wire shelves are better and they come from the Container Store. And here's the good thing. I discovered just this afternoon, just before Elaine got here and I was happy. They cut them to size
for free. So Dale doesn't have to get the right tool and do it. >> I have the right tool. >> I know you do. Okay. But >> I just fear they're going to look awful. Well, it looks pretty awful the way it
is. So, because it's not safe to put the shelf down. >> I understand that it needs to be functional, but it seems like >> we we might be able to find a more elegant solution. >> So, are you saying that the they have the wrong brackets for the shelving they
put in? And shouldn't they >> that they have that's that's the shelving that comes with this system? That's those are the brackets that come with this system. And you do, if you look at the system online, you do see just like >> I'm talking about for the Library of
Things, >> right? Yeah. Um, you do see it with some shelves that look like the ones they provided. And I don't know how like I don't really think this product is made for public spaces. No, >> I think it's made for people's closets.
>> Honestly, >> it's not meant to. I mean, I thought we were getting like this custom woodworking for I thought we paid for custom woodworking for this and so the fact that >> they um they this was a value
engineering, >> right? They got that's got skill. >> They make a mistake and it's the wrong system. >> Well, they they put in a system that is not adequate for our needs. >> Yes. And I feel like for the long haul
we need to come up with a better system. >> Well, I think I think a simple solution and so these are shelves that are going to be covered with things. >> Yes. >> For the most part. Um and and it's it's an important to me that it's modular,
that it can be moved around, that it's functional. And I do think >> we'll want to change it around seasonally. And >> I understand all those things, but let me ask Dale, is there a more elegant way to achieve that? >> So basically, >> basically what you're talking about is
like closet made type shelving. Um well probably that not that can be used with those type of brackets, >> right? I was thinking not with that type of bracket.
>> So we would have to like start from scratch. Can we? >> Well, how about those? >> No. >> Well, how about you have the wire shelf, right? >> And you could take something like quarter or maybe half inch MDF.
>> You can buy me you could buy melamine shelving, you know, that's white, >> right? >> Put on top of the wire. Well, and you might need you might need to detail it in such a way that there's something that >> keeps it from sliding,
>> right? Real problem. >> Yeah. So, it would have to be fastened through the wire. >> Can we look at it afterwards? >> Can we But but there has to be a more elegant solution other than those brackets and and container store wire
shelving, which I suspect won't last over the long haul. >> Oh, it'll last. um it it it'll last. It's just it's it's it's you aesthetic consideration in your mind. I would say that you start by you
change to the wire shelving that will function and you start using it and then you decide if the aesthetics of it wants you to change, >> you know, make a modification and then
then you deal with it that way. >> I I I think you're right. We do that for the short term, but I feel like this is sort of the centerpiece of the lobby. And we spent so much time talking about this. I remember meeting after meeting after meeting talking about this. And
it's very frustrating to end up with something that's inadequate. >> And if we're not going to do it right now, we're never going to get around to it. >> And my feeling is I just need a functional system, >> you know?
>> Yeah. a safe functional system. >> A safe, >> you know, safe for people and safe for the materials. >> Yeah. Having shelves fall out is good. >> You know, hindsight being, you know, 2020, we probably could have afforded
the nicer shelving that we said no to. >> But, you know, I mean, we said no to a lot of things going through this to keep the costs affordable because we didn't know where we were going to end up. So, you know, you know, we ended up on on, you know, on the positive side of the ledger,
>> but you know, a year ago, you know, >> we didn't know >> we weren't taking those kinds of chances. And because we weren't taking those kinds of chances, that's why we're on the positive side of the ledger. I would have to >> Right. Right. Right. So, if perhaps
someone made a grand donation um to have their name on that space, might there be money to redo those if it was decided they looked cheesy? >> Well, you know, it's not a huge area. So, I mean, something could be done.
I mean, you know, we're not talking, you know, I mean, what are we talking maybe 10 grand, something like that? Well, you know, I I feel like those boards were several thousand dollars. Those boards that just slide off, you
know, and um and and they're heavy, you know, and um here comes one right now. >> You know, >> I'm a designer. >> Yeah. >> So, this is how it's instant, right? Sides like crazy. >> Yes. >> So,
drill drill a hole. drill a hole down here and not a screw, just a pin essentially. You just drop in one on each side. >> But how do you The idea with if you put a counter sunk screw in that would be
flush. It's a little bit bigger head, but it won't drop out. You don't have any of those issues. You know, if you just stick a pin in, how do you hold it? >> Well, we can we can the pin the pin just drops all the way down through and it just sits there. There's nothing. Why Why does it need to be engaged? The
problem is this coming this way, right? >> When you want to change the shelf, you just pull >> maybe >> the end of the Steven and Dale >> in this >> can explore the problem. >> That's fine. >> Yes, it'll be. >> Yeah. So, the pin has to go all the way
through to the through the bottom of the bracket to hole. >> You drill You drill through the You drill through the bracket, >> right? So, how does the pin stay in place and not fall through? because it's use like a use a um a uh what's that?
What's the nail with a really thin head? I mean something like that. >> Simpler system. >> I need a simpler system. I >> is it is it just going to come right out? Is it now now the brackets? >> Right. But instead of just moving the
shelf and moving the bracket, I now have to move the pin. And now the >> you pull the pin out. Pull the pin out. Take the shelf off. Take your two brackets out. Put them where you want. Put this back in. Drop the pin in. Drop the pin in. You don't like that? >> I don't.
>> I don't. >> That's heavy. That's you know, >> that's what the contractor is sort of recommending that they're going to do. They're talking about screwing the shelves to the brackets. I mean, that's I mean, that's a bigger deal than what Steve is where I'm never going to move
the shelves, >> right? Then they're fixed and the shelves are never going to move, right? You're okay with that, >> right? But for that with the pins, that sounds like a totally reasonable thing. >> Except I don't I don't see it working. Why? Because how do you keep the pin in
place? >> Well, it's long enough that it comes through, you know, maybe a quarter. >> It's sharp. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't have to be about Can any kid who walks by come and pull a pin out? >> Sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. But what But who's going to
pull a pin out? you. I've seen you do it. >> No, seriously. I think I think we should try it. I >> I think we should try that before we buy those. >> And you could, you know, you could take
cotton pins, right? >> And just let the cotter pin round has a little round at the top. You're not going to bend it, but the cotter pin just drops through, sits there. >> Cotter pin. easy to pull out >> and elegantl looking
>> more elegant. >> We have we have we have our our opinions on what is elegant. I think >> then the picture so I don't have an opinion. >> Yeah, cotterpin. Well, Google cotterpins
>> but um I mean that would be that would be a way to do it. >> Yeah, we're Yeah, we're we're we're on the same page. I think we're we differ in the execution. Yes. >> Oh, that's a kind. >> Well, this
>> this is what we use on our tractor to hold. >> That's that's the kind that I'm talking about. >> So, when it drops through that sits up, >> you know, you could even trim this so they're flush. Not that. >> And that just keeps it from falling through the hole >> would go on. Right. Right.
>> Yeah. And they clip right in a large top because a straight will just go. Yes. A straight pin won't work. >> Let me go back and look at this. Maybe maybe help with that. >> Something that satisfies Maryanne.
>> What did you say? >> He said he's going to come up with something that satisfies Marian. And I said, I can't see that happen. Whoa. Babylons are drawn here. >> Let's see. All right. The other things. Well, they
>> So, this is the those are that's the brand, right? >> And these are the >> She's not done the shelving >> with her list shelves just having. All right. So, anyway, so that's a thing. Okay. Then, um Okay. The front door. Um
the front door that So, the system is we come, we unlock the door. Oh my god, the locks. Um, >> okay. >> Um, okay. So, we unlock the door on the left if you're looking at the building and then you come inside and then you
dog the door on the right and then you make it so that the automatic door opener will happen. It's It's almost impossible to get the door on the left open. >> So, that's it's a minor adjustment.
You really think it's a minor adjustment? >> Basically, so I've looked at the I've looked at that lefthand door uh for a while yesterday and the problem is is that the lefthand door is too far to the right and the
latch will not clear the strike. Okay. So if you look at that door, you will notice that the margins on the hinge side of the door are not equal and they are actually wider than they should be. So the door, the barrel of the hinge has
to be shimmed over so that the door moves back over to the left a sixeenth of an inch and the door will work. But that's something they need to do. That's on the punch list or >> so I don't know if that's on the punch list, but I have I told them that today that I can't get the
>> So yeah, it's uh the the door is basically the door is not in the frame in the right location. Okay, it's about a 16th of an inch minimally to the right too far. And if you look at the if you look at the the door margin,
you will clearly see that it's kind of big. >> Okay. So when I said that when they come out to look at the door that I wanted you to be here. I told them that. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. I'll definitely be here. >> All righty. Good. Um so that's okay. So
So we have um all these different types of keys and all these different types of doors and different keys open different doors and um and the staff key. Yes. But there's a staff key that opens like
everything that is important for the staff to open, but that but it doesn't open the director's office and it doesn't open like the key key box or whatever. The staff keys don't work on the exterior doors. So they've um so I had to give
>> we have a different exterior door key than we do interior door keys. So, so anyway, I had to give people master keys and then I had to order more master keys. Um, and then they'll give them back to me and they're gonna they're getting that fixed. So, so the So,
anyway, we they've ordered the cores for the locks and then when they ordered the cores for the locks, they were short to because there are two doors there and two doors there, but they only got one for there and one for So, so, so that's
a thing that's missing. Um, and I think that's all the things that >> about the the floor in the sliding glass door for the children's room.
>> They fixed that. >> They fixed it. They took the carpet. >> No, they didn't. They found another solution for that. So, it works fine now. >> It does. >> Yeah, it works fine now. So, um, that works fine. Yeah, >> because Matt and Conrad were spending a
lot of time on that at the opening. >> Were they? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, I don't know if I don't remember if it was before the opening or after the opening that that Mark and I looked at it together and it was fine.
Mark did some stuff with hammers and boards and stuff. >> Okay. I I'll take a look at it. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if they'll be satisfied with it. I saw what they were talking about. >> Yeah. No, I did too. And Mark showed it to me. I don't remember if it was before
the opening or after the opening. So, cuz he's been here some >> Yeah. Cuz if it was before, then it hasn't been fixed. >> Right. Yes. I just don't remember. Okay. So, and then there are things like there's that little >> Roger, you know that depression near the
um Oh my god, what is that word? Trench >> trenchers >> in the trench eaters. Yeah. >> Children's room. I got it twice one night here. Is that something that's on the punch list to address? >> I believe so, but I I'll have to confirm and get back to you. But
>> Okay. All righty. >> I don't know that there's a >> necessarily a >> a remedy that's easy. >> Right. Right. But anyway, so there's a weird depression in the floor at the end of the trench heater in the children's
room. Um, and like I, you know, I don't know. Like I think they made the trench bigger than it needed to be and then and so anyway, we can go look at it after. Um, >> and and I'm sure there's other stuff. I mean, I haven't memorized the punch
list. This is just all the stuff I've been dealing with. Um, and >> you you pointed out where the finishes um damaged in the windows in the children's room, >> right? I didn't I'll I'll take you there after uh we're done here and and you can
take a look at it whether it's rotting if it's molding already the window >> and you can go look right over there. So, okay. So, Roger, you and I looked at this together. So the window sills in various places
>> are stained and not stained like with the Sherwin Williams stain, >> but um but they're stained sort of like black and so what is that? Is it mold? >> Looks like mold to me. >> Yep. >> Yeah.
>> We'll have have CDI come take a look at it then. >> Oh, that's definitely And it's on the children's room, too. >> Yeah. >> Maybe you need to turn on the trans heaters. Well, it's not new. Um, let me see. >> Stephen will know if it's mold for sure.
Um, >> yeah, this this was >> I would I would guess >> this is in the children's room. >> Yes. >> Really? >> Mild. Yeah. So, um, so do you think, Roger, that's that that is from before the
windows were closed in or or is that, you know, and did they get wet and >> No, I don't think there's any you haven't seen any condensation. And it hasn't been. It's probably It could be
just, you know, from back before the building was completely enclosed and or windows were being opened, >> right? >> It's uneven heating, >> I think. Yeah. It's it's it's getting cold. It's cold. Moisture is collecting
there because it's cold. It's not drying up. >> So, how do you resolve that? >> Change heaters. Turn them on. And then we clean it somehow. >> Yeah, that that'll come off. >> Okay, >> that should come off. >> Oh, sand it off.
>> No, no, no. Wipe it off with with cleaner. >> Okay. >> We'll clean. Yeah. Okay. >> All spray. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And and I mean that spot's going to be tough to in that, you know, because it's right right in the corner like that. That's that's a tough one. >> Yeah. That those corners, but it it
should clean. Um because basically when you see it like that it's there's it's down. Okay. >> So should I try cleaning that or should CDI try cleaning that? >> I would have CDI try cleaning it just so
they use the right products. >> So should I get in touch with them or do you want to get in touch? >> I can do that tomorrow. >> All righty. >> Yeah. Yeah they yeah they have to warrant that's they have to warranty that I think. >> Okay. and um you know let them use their
cleaner so that you know you don't you know use the wrong thing >> or something you know >> right >> possibly the warranty >> we should we should just plan we should just plan to give CDI a copy of this list and say we expect you're going to
address these items. >> Okay. Um, so that's, you know, and then other than what's on the punch list, which I haven't memorized, um, that, but I think they're like I think they're waiting for
the lock cores and that, you know, Mark will ask me when those are coming and, um, or to to let him know when they arrive. Um, but they haven't. >> And how much do you want to push on this microwave?
>> I don't I don't really care about the microwave. Well, Dominic and um and Mark are going back and forth. They they built that too small to put a microwave in. >> Are you kidding?
>> No, I'm not kidding. It is exactly 24 in wide and the microwave is 24 in wide. So, you can't get the microwave in there. And the plug in the back, we found a microwave that would that would
work, but the plug in the back pushes the microwave forward. >> And so it's to >> clock receptacle. >> It's it's you're going to have to either cut off Dominic wants to cut off.
>> That's not how it's done. Now Dominic wants to cut this off so that the 24 incher could go in here. And Mark wants to put a shelf on here so that the 21 incher could go here. But
it's 17 in and this is only 12. >> Mark's idea is the better idea. Mark's idea is the only idea that will really work. >> But it's going to mean that it comes out about like this. >> It comes out further than that. I measured >> actually. Yes. It's come It's going to come out to about here.
>> Yeah, >> that seems extreme to me. >> The seven that you need 178. >> I don't even know what we need a microwave for. >> But nor >> have a microwave in the staff work. >> Yeah. The way that's usually done is
that there's a hole in the the upper cabinet and the cord goes up into the upper cabinet and plugs into the wall there. Y >> that's how it's done. Okay. So, I don't know what these guys came up with, but you know, that's the residential way to do it. >> Also the way it's done in my library.
>> Yeah. So, so and actually that could be retrofitted in there without a real huge deal. That outlet could that that outlet could be blanked off and the wire gets snaked up into the upper cabinet >> and um you know, an outlet. >> You put the you put the outlet up there
and that's how it's done. >> But the bigger thing is just fitting the microwave. But it won't fit cuz one microwave is the right width, but it's too long. The other one is
exactly 24 in, but this screw here makes you got to keep looking for microwaves. You're going to you're going to >> No, no, no. Dominic and I have looked everywhere. So had Dominic spec a particular microwave for this in the >> Well, why not take that screw out and
counter sync it? So it's flush. >> But this is exactly 24 in and the microwave is 24 in. >> Well, you were saying that the screw is the problem. >> I think the screw is the problem. But >> yeah, this so if the screw is
>> counter sunk enough to be >> you don't but if it's exactly do you want to get that space for there's no microwave >> it can just be >> that I can't answer >> a place where the teapot sits >> and open shelving
>> I mean we could get a much smaller microwave >> well yeah I mean yeah >> what what are we going to use the microwave Yeah, get a much smaller one yet. >> I think you've been in the building for a week. I don't think you know. I mean, >> people might have too like microwave.
>> No. >> Do you know a function room? >> Not kitchen. >> No, we have a we have a function room with sink. You feel very lucky to have a sink. >> But >> I mean, we don't have a I live in a 130
year old building. >> Yeah, I know. We don't have a separate we don't have a modern >> space, >> right? We have a microwave in our operating room. >> But if somebody wanted to use this room
and they wanted to maybe heat their soup, they're not going to ask you to use the microwave in the staff room, >> right? But I wouldn't go to a library expecting to be able to eat my soup. You might in this building because this
is this is the only functional place in town. This is a place that seniors I think are going to come and want to maybe have their lunch together, >> right? And then they would plan that ahead of time and or brought a lunch
that you don't need to heat up. I mean, I don't go into a public space thinking I'm going to be able to heat up food. >> I don't know. It just seems to me that we need building planned. We planned for a microwave and it's >> but the question is >> annoying me that
>> we planned for but how we're going to address it >> right >> and one way is all the things that you've been talking about to fix it like counter syncing and another is just to say well why do we need it in the first place I I agree that those are valid two
sides of valid choices um um I'm not convinced that the fact that we planned it in the first place makes it something that we have to have. >> I'm annoyed by it. >> Yeah. >> And Maryanne gets a bigger vote than we
do >> because she's works cere I'm annoyed by it. >> Yeah. I mean, I think it's ridiculous. >> And I have bought two microwaves already and brought them. >> I can't believe they put the plug. They did. I mean, that's just that is just like really bad.
>> Like the tiny one really doesn't make sense. No, you know, and um and and it looks kind of silly there. Yeah. >> You know, I agree. >> Um and the bigger one was just much too big. >> And and like having something it really I measured it. It really hung way out
over the edge. And yeah, >> the bigger one, but the one that that Dominic and I found that's 24 in wide >> isn't. >> Yes. it it would fit deep if you put >> and I think the
>> I think the I don't think that microwaving is going to be a frequent thing and I think if there was a like a senior thing where people came and they brought their lunch and somebody brought soup, they could just microwave it in the staff work room >> or you could move this the microwave in
here >> for for that event. You know, >> could you put a microwave on the counter here? >> Yeah, there's a reception. >> You could, but you don't want to take up a lot of counter space with the >> microwave. Yeah. I mean, and then you got this hole up there. That makes no
sense. I mean, we got we got to we got to make that work. >> Well, no. We can just have that hole up there be just open shelving >> and only white, >> right? Because that's very important. Goodness. >> Only elegant white things.
>> Elegant white things. >> Purple. >> Subject to the elephant committee. >> I think it should all be like Yeah. purple tea set. >> Well, I agree with that. >> I would get red personal.
Yeah. >> How about red? >> Yeah. Okay. So, um, anyway, okay. >> I mean, it is it is it's it's annoying. It's a small
thing and there are a number of those, you know, like there's no data in the director's office. There's >> Yeah. But, but believe me, on the on the large, it's pretty darn good. I mean, everything everything's working, you know? I mean, these are small issues
really. >> Absolutely. It's a small thing. And I just think like do we and then I just think how often do we really need a microwave and >> if we you know >> we planned for one we got to get one in there. >> You know she's going to be bringing me
every other day. >> We planned for it. It didn't come the way we wanted it. So now we adjust. And I agree with Molly. I think we should leave it to to um Maryanne. And I think it's too small for us as a committee. I think it should be just in Maryanne's
hands and we should be very happy with that. >> Yeah, let's not talk about those cabinets. >> Do you see that? >> I feel like we need to wait and see. I I suspect >> you will find that having a microwave in here.
>> Oh, >> although I'd rather have a couple. Oh, so the retro and if that's so neither of those are a big deal for Kevin versus >> neither of those are a big deal happen I mean if there need to be carpentry
adjustments I think that needs to happen now $23 >> I don't think there's any carpentry adjustments that are major enough to matter >> well I think so I think if we're going to have an adjustment
Then we should get the outlet moved up above like they do and we should put the hole underneath for the cord. And cuz if that's going to make it cuz the cord is usually on the side of the thing that bumps out
in the back of the freaking microwave. Who knew they were so big? And that's so complicated. Um and then the cord can go up and plug in in that cabinet up above. And then that means the microwave can be right back against the wall. So that
solves some of that problem of it because is the one is the 24 in one how deep is that one? >> I can tell you. >> Okay. Um and then and so then somehow
CDI would take out um is this a whole piece or does this go? So this piece goes all the way up. >> Yeah. There's no just taking that piece out. >> I think this >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. The unit has to >> the unit has to be reworked, >> right? >> So that means this whole thing has to be reworked and we have to pay for that. >> Why? >> Why? >> No. If because it was Dominic missed it in the shop drawings. So, but and so if
Dominic in the shop drawings, that's Dominic is not going to pay for anything. It's 12. >> What do you mean? >> You mean Dominic's not going to pay for anything? They're not going to own up to any of their mistakes. >> No. >> Nope. >> They say that a certain number of
mistakes are normal. Neil, do you want to weigh in on that? Robin, can you >> I I I would I would suggest that um to M to Maryanne's point, it it is
not you did not pay for perfection. If it was an if it was an honest mistake and not a not a a mistake of negligence, I I'm not even sure we have 2% of the
contract value in changes to date. And I would suspect that the town would not have any means to leverage other than through goodwill any compensation from Odinello for
mistakes that were made. >> That's disappointing. >> Just my that's just my humble opinion. I I honestly am more of the mindset that if the intention was to provide a microwave, you find a microwave that
fits on the shelf or you use the one you have and put it on the counter. Um I think augmenting the shelving, you're just going to spend more money than it's worth. You're talking about a $200 microwave or a $100 microwave. That's
clearly your cheapest solution. But again, it's just my opinion. I understand the committee's um concerns and feelings. I get them 100%. But separating myself from the issue,
what are we really talking about here? >> Got it. >> And it's not as simple looking at it. It's not simple to pull out one of those walls. And it's also not wood. >> Never mind. It's not wood.
>> It's not I don't know what the heck it is. >> Oh, yeah. That's Yeah, right. That's melamine. So, it's basically it's >> vinyl wallpaper on particle board. >> Well, that's a disappointment. >> Well, I mean, it's that it's it's not vinyl wallpaper, but it's it's it's a
cover. It's a plastic covering. It's a thin plastic covering on particle board or MDF, >> right? >> Which is medium density fiber. >> Ready for option number two. >> Sure. >> All right. So, >> he's still sitting next to me.
>> Brackets. The brackets. The >> brackets have this little notch. So, on the bottom of the shelf, something that would just when you put the shelf in would just sit in there that way. And a shelf. >> Oh yeah.
>> Like a little rail on the bottom. >> Yeah. So the shelf can you take the shelf out, you just lift it up a little, pull it out, put it in, it drops down, locks in place. >> Use Gorilla Glue to put that. >> I wouldn't probably use Gorilla Glue. I'd probably come up with something a
little more sophisticated >> and elegant. >> Elegant, of course. Yeah. >> Okay. And then who's gonna do this? You. Dale. >> Dale's gonna do it. >> You know, Dale and I will do it.
>> Well, I mean, I would I would work with with Stephen if we if if it you know, again, you know, it's not it's not a >> You have these shelves, right? >> Yeah. So, why go buy something else? >> Well, but the contractor's going to fix the the fixed shelves on the end for the
They're going to take care of that. And that's where that shelf came from. >> No, >> that that one didn't come from there. >> I don't think so. >> No, that came from the Library of Things. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Um, >> you know, I'm sure we could get together and try to figure something out >> that we'll agree on.
>> I think you should meet at the AC. >> Oh, no. We can't do that. We'll meet right here. >> I'll meet at the AC. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> No. >> Okay. Well, but I mean overall, and I said
this to Mark and Mike today, overall it's a really fabulous building and it's got little glitches. It would be nice to be able to get in the front door. That >> That's probably the most >> Yeah, because you know, like I get here
and I can't get in the front door. Some days it opens right up, you know, like just just opens and then but then some days it doesn't. And and that really kind of when when I can't get in the door and I have to come around here and try and get in one of these doors, it
sets for day. >> I think all those blocks are something that really need to be dealt with. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I thought your your list was was very good in terms of these are all priority items. >> Yes. Yeah. So, Roger, did you write down all my items as I was saying them
or do you want me to send you a list? Please send it. >> Okay. To make sure. >> Yeah. Put it in an email. Put it in an email. Send it. Send it to CMS. >> And then Elaine and Jeff and I and Roger and um Mike and Dominic are all going to
meet Monday at 1:30 on Zoom. >> We're going to be on Zoom. Not here. >> Not here. >> Okay. And you can come here. Come. But >> But I like coming here. >> I know you you should come here. But but we'll meet on some. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Okay. We can put them up on the big screen. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. Okay. >> Okay. All right. What else do we have? Update on the initial library opening.
You've told us what's working and what isn't working, >> right? >> So, I think that's it. >> The driveway is so much wider when it's plowed. review of construction funds. I think we've done that.
>> Any other unanticipated business? >> We've the unanticipated. We've already discussed it. >> We've already discussed it. >> We've discussed it. >> Go look at the the floor. >> Yeah, we can we'll we can look at that
floor. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, do I hear a motion to adjurnn? >> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> A second. >> Madam chairman, >> and Steven has seconded. Roll call vote. Antinella's eye.
>> Dallas I roster I >> Jake's eye. >> Moss eye. >> Backbush I. >> Po I. Our first meeting in this room. Hey. Woohoo. >> Do we need to schedule a next meeting?
>> Boy, it does look nice, too. >> I don't know if we're when we'll schedule the next meeting >> like in the spring when we're talking about landscaping or >> Yeah. >> Yeah, probably. >> Does that make sense? I think that makes sense. >> Or you'll you'll
>> Jeff says yes. Okay. Okay. >> All right. Okay. So when we if it ever >> is spring, >> if it's ever spring and we ever start with >> you can, you know, Ela, that's that's within your perview. You call a meeting and we'll go. >> All righty.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you, Roger and Neil and Jeff. >> For me, >> I'm going to turn this off and then I'm going to show them the depression the floor near the French heard. >> Okay. Good night.
>> Thank you. Good night. English eyes.