I'm not sure if Brennan's gonna join us or not. I'll just keep an eye on this. I think um he shows up here somewhere. Um, here's Henry. Oh, hey Henry. >> Yeah, I thought I'd spare you from
getting what I've got right now. >> Yeah, I know. There's a lot going around, so thank you. Um, all right. I'm going to go ahead and call the meeting to order of the MN Spear Library Reuse Committee.
Today is Thursday, March 26. This is a hybrid meeting. Um all of the um committee members are with us today. Um Brennan who typically takes uh minutes
um is not here, but I think I'm going to speak for Brennan and say because this is being recorded that um he can do the minutes from the from the recording. Usually it's pretty straightforward and
I'll try to take a few um notes too in case he needs uh something in addition. So um I'm going to skip over the minutes um uh just because I don't have them printed out for everybody. So we can approve the minutes from the last couple
of meetings um one meeting that we had and then the meeting with the select board on the 17th if that's okay with the committee members and we can do it at our next um meeting. So, um the first item on today's agenda is to go over the
presentation um that we did with the to the select board and um to town folks at the meeting on the the 17th and um to talk about next steps for the for the
committee. And um you know, I'll I'll start by saying I wish we had gotten a little bit further, you know, a little bit more direction. I guess um you know I I I didn't push it
and maybe I should have um to try to get a little bit more uh reaction as to what direction to go in. But it was a lot to absorb um you know in one in one sitting. This was, you know, what we
what we gave them was an interim report um showing the kind of three three alternatives, the directions that we could go in. And um I think you know what we need to do is
make some decisions about what what we see next steps given given what what we've learned um about these alternatives and
um I think the conclusion the the initial conclusion that we reached was that that the building should have um bathroom and running water. >> So, we didn't conclude that >> that was we didn't conclude that, but
that that seemed to be the consensus of the that evening. >> Well, we should at least pursue what it >> to to put a bathroom in. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I disagree.
Um and I and I thought what happened at the select board meeting was they went through some of the same journey we did. We started out trying to understand or decide whether we needed a bathroom and
it vacasillated between the kind of use we imagined and if it was just going to be a meeting. We accepted initially that it wouldn't. Then we went to looking at the bathroom options and then we made our chart and in our chart we had one that says no bathrooms just
meeting and then we present all this information to the select board and they say you have to have a bathroom. That was our journey that we evolved through. Of course they're going to say that. Um, but I don't agree that that is where
um I the way the presentation went, it didn't give them time to evolve either. And so I think that there are some um considerations that we ran across that um may
not recommend or my personal thing is not to recommend a bathroom. So I don't feel like it was a def definitive decision on our part and I think it evolved and I think the select board heard it and they
gave that first step and I think it can evolve and I think we when you said you regret that we didn't give more specific um direction to the select board. I think that piece can still happen.
>> Oh yeah. I mean that that's assumed that we would give more specific direction. Um, maybe I I jumped ahead. I I think what we talked about was exploring what it would cost, >> right,
>> to to do the to to get >> water and sugar in there, >> right? We did the exploration. >> I agree with that. That's that's my >> Yeah, that was part of our job. >> Yeah. do. Yeah. But not that that's where
>> if we were going to do that, then that would that we would have to expend. We would have to secure some um some funding in order to um to get that done.
>> Just to get the information. >> Just to get the information, right? >> Because it would take um probably, you know, looking at the existing septic system and seeing whether or not, you know, the the church's septic system was either
adequate as is or could be um expanded. And then the situation with the um whether or not we'd have to do a new well on the common or if we could use
the water from over here and run a pipe across, you know, underneath um fully build and connect to the water here. But it would
mean understanding what the capacity was of this well too of the well at the town hall. And I believe that that's probably work that Alan Weiss could do, but I
don't know for sure. >> Be worth a try, you know, right? To see if he is or he'd refer us to someone else. Right. >> Yeah. >> Right. So it seems like you know in my from my perspective all the information that
we'd like to have right now is not information that we personally can easily collect. Right? >> So we're really talking about you know going out getting professional uh advice or professional u services
from somebody. Um who would that be? What's it going to cost? Where does the money come from? Those are the questions that you know it sounds like we probably need to really be focused on right now >> right >> after we maybe identify you know what our questions are. I mean is the septic
system adequate? Is the the well uh did we have enough capacity in the well? Uh what is the feasibility and cost of getting you know a trench across the road? Doesn't make any sense to try to think about a well over on the across
the road on that site. Yeah. I mean, you know, those all all of those are questions that we can identify, but we can't go much further with ourselves, >> right? >> Well, along these lines, um I understand that uh Bob Groves did some
work um in trying to understand what's happening with the septic and nobody's contacted him so far. So there might be some in information there.
>> Which septic is that? >> I I assume it's a septic that that uh works for the church at the moment. It's the Isn't it the that's the only septic up there, isn't it? >> Yeah. And I don't remember Bob bringing that up or I don't know what context you
know that from. >> Uh well, we had a meeting. The uh historical commission had a meeting. uh it was Bob's uh partner I suppose who mentioned this and that we should get in
touch with him about information also about the possibilities for water there so I can ask him >> was Bob talking about that relative to what what was he what was that indust
>> in the cont No it was in the context of the spear library >> it's probably the original when the when they anticipated expanding the library building, you know, way back when there was a original discussion about that.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. But >> anyway, just >> and I I would think that the board of health, Henry, would have um some good information to provide to um to somebody
like Alan Weiss about what, you know, what that current septic system design is. And um you know the direction that we would have to give is what what would
we be be putting would be be putting one bathroom in that building >> and if you don't know what the use is >> right >> you don't know what the use is going to be then >> then it gets kind of circular because
>> um I don't know if it was going to be a police station, >> right? >> Um, do you have to have two bathrooms? >> Do you have to have a a bathroom? >> Yeah. >> Right. >> I I guess I want to go through my
thinking because it's bugging me. Um, my thinking is that the use is the biggest question. We know that it the building needs to be used for insurance purposes. That's a municipality liability. Has to have insurance.
But in the conversation that happened at the public hearing, Leslie mentioned the word urgency. So then I thought, yeah, what's what's the urgency? Well, we did a survey and we understand that there's needs in this town. We probably could have understood that without doing the survey, but we we
did that and we got that information. Um but I don't believe that there's any specific urgency right now and then our committee evolved through the process of saying well of course you'd have a bathroom to you can have an option of
just a meeting without a bathroom and um I feel it took us months to get through that process. It included understanding the cost of putting a bathroom there and again the use of that place um because
it could be a variety of things does have one end which is no bathroom because it's just a meeting to a police station which may need a number of bathrooms. We don't know that. And so um so watching it that discussion
evolve for us I felt it couldn't evolve in that short presentation for the select board but they may also be able to have a different understanding if they go through some of this. My piece of being on the fincom is we are dealing
with budgets that are really hard and I would say that there is no money for a new project until some of the items start rolling along like the library loan. Um and so if the state doesn't come through with
rural school funding or some other magic wand, we are strapped and we are using cash reserves to get through our budgets. This is the third year. This year is a significant amount. Last year was significant. We the fincom piece of
this and I haven't asked the committee because it's my job to be the liaison. Um but I would say we don't have money for developing that property in any kind of significant
way. We also know that the post commission has not settled on definitions yet and we're hoping um that our legislators and our police department will advocate for a range of requirements depending on the size of
the town but there is no known picture that we have to meet at this point. So that is another issue of urgency not urgency. If we go to just a meeting space
and don't worry about the bathroom, then that option leaves that building as an open stage for whatever could happen next. It doesn't determine something. I believe if we put a bathroom in there, it pushes some
options of use. And I'm not ready. I'm not sure that we're going to be able to meet what expectations could rise out of having a bathroom facility. Um, and I think I think that's it. So, my
belief is that at this point we cannot afford to put in a bathroom. we can afford to use it as a meeting space um with a minimum amount of expense and we leave it open for what happens after
that. And the issue around the police facility both upstairs, downstairs, and over there does not have to get resolved right now. Personally, from having been the town clerk, I feel like the town clerk's office has a great
need to be fixed. And when we started talking about the domino effect of moving things, that would help address that. But even spend that right now um would take money to reconfigure spaces.
And I don't believe the town has the money now to do that. >> That's my perspective. So Susie, um it I don't disagree with anything you said. Um but I I feel that
we're not near that point that it feels like you're thinking we're at right now. I mean, I are you are you feeling like we shouldn't even spend a relatively small hopefully
amount of money to get more information about a bathroom option? Are you feeling like it's not even worth doing pursuing that at this point? >> I think we could set this issue into a
space that works. just calling it a me meeting space without a bathroom at this time and the rest of it especially because we would be trying to watch the real information about use evolve. I
don't think we need a bathroom in there if it's just a meeting space and if we don't do that right now then we don't define it as the next thing that people can go to. So, I feel like we can set down at this point at just a meeting
space without a bathroom and then watch how the town and our both as public and as um the government decides then it can commit that to that path.
But I believe if we commit to that path, >> it helps. >> I guess that's that's kind of the crux of the issue here. By getting more information about what it would cost to put a bathroom in, you feel like that's somewhat of a commitment going down that path. Is that
>> I think the way I think the way we reacted to it initially and the select board is that is how they see it that it needs a bathroom. You must have a bathroom. And I don't think that that necessarily I mean if we got the information of what it costs to get a bathroom it might might diffuse some of
that urge but I don't >> get the information my feeling. Yeah, that's my feeling too. >> But I don't know what kind of money >> I don't think it's that big an investment honestly that it's that it >> Yeah, >> we don't know. But we can find out, >> right? >> You know, right just to throw out a few
things. I mean, >> I think the the finances obviously the big concern and given all the issues with >> rising cost of everything, it makes sense to
consider that greatly. But the well here doing a well yield capacity yield test well driller can do that that's should be pretty inexpensive and that's in the state of Maryland it's required for every transaction of a
residential property and it doesn't take a lot of um and I'm going to say I can't imagine it being more than $500 if it's that much. Um there's a existing design of the septic system over there. So I
would like to think maybe Mr. Weiss could look at the design and talk about um what it can support and I would be surprised if because if I remember correctly it's a 1500gallon tank. >> Y
>> that's a good size tank. >> Yeah. And I mean that would be a good size tank for a house with a family, you know, at least four living there full-time. And that bathroom, if a bathroom goes in there, isn't going to cost them. So, >> and there's one bathroom in the church
that's used very >> right. So, sporadically, >> with those two pieces of information, and I'd also throw in that, >> you know, you can have a low yield well. And one of the ways to deal with that is you put in a largerank
>> storage tank, >> right? >> So um and if the police were to move across the street, >> the use of the bathroom is diminished here and increased there by I'm going to
say roughly the same amount. So there's not a lot of change in water use in my opinion. But even with a low yield well, you just have a larger storage tank. Now the storage tank in here is not a large storage tank. So that would suggest
there's hasn't been any kind of problem with that. So I think it's almost safe to assume that the real cost is talking to a plumber or two and saying, "What would it cost to go from here over there
so we could have water? and then to a the same plumber, what is it going to cost to hook up, you know, put in the pumping equipment and pump to that septic system >> and and put in the bathroom fixtures
have Yeah. >> Yeah. So, you could I don't think getting that information should be that costly. I mean, the plumbers plumbers typically are going to do that, you know, because they're looking for the business. So I think when we talked to
Alan initially he was not talking about you um plugging it to this septic system but rather the existing septic system at the church because of the complexity of using this >> I'm sorry I'm talking about the church
septic oh you are okay you were point >> well you were okay right you were pointing over there okay well here yeah okay septic there okay Yeah. So that makes sense to me. I don't think
it's a big investment and I think it gives us, you know, information that's going to be useful going forward regardless of what decision >> and we present a very rough ballparks, you know, to either do work here, do
work there, you know, 100,000, 100,000. So, if we have a number that we'll just say 50,000 to do all the hookups, that's another number. >> And then the finance committee has no
>> has something that they can respond to. And everything that Susie has already said becomes very important. We don't, you know, we can't afford to spend 50,000. But really, if we only ever used it as a meeting space, would
we want that bathroom there? Bathroom also means we have to heat it enough to keep it from freezing. So, I I don't really see if we end up saying it's just a meeting space for our lives lifespan, which I'm old. Um, and it wants to
change later, then it's >> right. But to put a bathroom in and not have a use that actually needs that in any long in any real way seems not >> well you know I think there's another
option in port you know I mean >> I true on the town common I don't think so the park park >> I'm thinking to discreetly touch it.
>> I don't think so. Not a per No, you know, if let's say we the decision was made permanently to have it as a as a meeting space, you know, it might be that we decide it needs a bathroom. I don't think having the information about
the bathroom and making this small investment in finding out what it's going to cost is a I think it's a good idea. Um, yeah, because I think there are enough people that say even if it is a meeting space, we should have a bathroom in there. So,
and you can heat a bathroom. You can design it such that you're not heating the entire building in order to keep the pipes from freezing in a in a bathroom. So, >> you know, I I think that's a you know, that's a small step. I think if we were
going to go with that recommendation, then we also need to say what other um improvements, interior renovations, we said moderate, need to be made and what's that cost
going to be? replace furnace technology and partition walls. That furnace needs to be replaced. It's uh ancient. It's functional. Um does it need to be replaced right now? No.
Um >> and the mini splits can be used in the kind of shoulder seasons, right? And there's one mini split in there >> just one >> right which I think it's 18,000 could be 12 but I mean the size of that space it's certainly adequate for cooling it
would probably struggle to heat it because the building you know is antiquated in terms of sidewall insulation >> right and we did get the um we did get the weatherization
report back so they had recommended It's um weatherization I I don't recall recall the exact >> this the one that was recently done. >> Yes. >> Well, there also you know changing out to heat pump and
this is all part of the >> massive. >> Yes. And >> changing out that furnace to a heat pump, you're saying? >> Yeah. Well, actually eliminating the existing mini split as well, putting in new mini splits. I mean, it's quite a bit of money. Yeah, it wasn't
>> I I don't understand I don't understand why first I was surprised at the tonnage, you know, the size the BTU capacity. >> Um, so
I don't I don't know, >> but yeah. So Susie, can you get to a point where um you'd be o comfortable with pursuing uh getting more information uh as Stephen just laid out? Like talk to a
well a well driller, talk to a plumber, talk to Alan Weiss, maybe get more information. I guess um I guess what I am concerned about is how you would
um come up with the answers to those questions and not reinforce a green light to go into a bigger project. um you can say you're not going to you're that this committee's done and
they're not recommending a bigger project, but um it reminded me when Lesie said, "Well, the police station could be down at the DPW and so there's like out there
there's more like big ideas." And um but she was the person that also said there has there should be bathrooms there. And so she everybody has some heartfelt wishes. And I feel at this point um we
could go with meeting the insurance needs without fueling the heartfelt wishes. But that's that's not my job, right? that I we're just we're supposed to be looking at this. And so my my piece is
that wow, we've done we're going to call it a meeting space. Um we're going to do a little work over there. Um and it doesn't involve spending. That's what I can see after going through this process. And the pushes from things like the post survey, you know, the
postcertification and and these things I feel have not um are not really what we need to deal with right now. I don't think you can finan >> that's where I'm at. I'm not, you know, people can take a vote if you want to
vote. That's fine. Um I guess I would say that the path I see I would not particularly um support those three steps. They're not bad steps. Not saying it's bad. I just feel like we can be at a place right now that says meeting space and let it go at that without
meeting space without a bathroom. That's what I feel. So that's what I'm what I'm hearing is that Susie, having been as invested as she has been in pulling all of our information together, has gotten to a place where she could probably make
a recommendation about use, particularly given the her participation on the finance committee and available money. And I think the rest of us may not have gotten to that
place yet. Um, and it's understandable that you would potentially be at that place given what you've been thinking about and your, you know, your additional perspective from being on the on the
finance committee. Um, so like to me the real question is, is this committee ready to make a recommendation about use or is that premature for everybody? And are we just still at the process where we're looking
at how much does things cost and making it, you know, just laying out because because when we put this report together, it was really more like let's just tell the select board or let's just tell people what it costs. But we weren't at a place where we could say this is the this is the type of use that
we would recommend. And I think, you know, that's potentially like the underlying bigger issue is is this committee tasked with making a use recommendation and at what point are we ready to do that? And what would we, you know, for
the rest of us who were thinking about going along that road? um you know what would we need to proceed further down because otherwise we're just talking about money and we basically put the the decision-making process someplace else
in terms of use. So I'm kind of curious about that. The other thing I'm curious about is you said something about being a liaison from the finance committee. >> Mhm. >> And one of the things that I've been wondering about for a little while is um you know where is the decision-m process
about how much money do we have available to do what? Because you know you could work it the other way and you could say okay here's you know um library reuse committee here's the amount of money that we have available to spend. how would you recommend that
we use it? You know, um, so I think there are multiple ways of of looking at this. Um, and I'm just kind of curious about what would, you know, what one we're going to choose.
>> So, the other thing I was thinking is at the joint meeting with the select, what was presented were three possibilities. without as I remembered correct me if I'm wrong a lot of backstory
you know in terms of well if you consider this then all these other things have to be dealt with and if you decide this but we don't know this yet you know you're talking about the post commission and what really is going to
be required of the police department so it may be important to have another meeting where a lot of this information that complicates decisions besides the dollars,
you know, comes into play. But I think you know if we do this bit where we have a number because that's what we were asked to do by the select board to give them a number but maybe we also say okay here's what you asked but we realize
that you need to have some other information that we have gathered about the complexity of this and why that is not if we decide our recommendation, you know,
>> and and ultimately maybe this committee doesn't make a final recommendation, but rather just says, you know, here here are the alternatives. >> It's complicated. >> It's complicated. And and you know, at the end of the day, it is town meeting.
It's not the finance committee. It's not his committee. It's not the select, you know, it's it's town meeting that decides how how money is going to be spent. And you put a proposal before town meeting and they say yay or nay, right? You know, yes, we want to put
$100,000 into that building to create whatever or $100,000 into this building to do the reconfiguration. And here's all the the research, right? You know, we did to justify that. And for any one of these warrants, finance committee is
going to >> so they they they say right and and sometimes people go along with them and sometime sometimes people don't. So, you know, it's it's um you know, we do we all do our best
do as much research and put as much thought into um and I think you know this this is a tough one and it uh you know this is coming up Susie has pointed out you know in a year where things are
two years but >> whatever There's >> you know at a time every year. Yeah, true. It is every year >> grown and grown. Um >> uh you know when when times are tough
when and when you have to prioritize you have you have to make difficult decisions. So >> one thing I noticed is this chart didn't have the option they chose. It doesn't have to cover you. >> From the finance committee sent me sent
me an email. He will remain unnamed, but sent me an email and said, "Why don't we just sell the building? Why don't we advertise in um right >> in Yankee magazine?" I'm like, "Yeah." >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Somebody put it on on a flatbed like >> but but just we don't have number four.
>> Yeah. >> Put in a bathroom period. And then that number would have shown up over here already our ballpark of that. and then maybe it would have been clearer that that that if you choose that option, you're looking at this commitment of
money and so that I mean we're volunteers we have been handling a lot of information that we didn't put that on there is not about fault and actually what I want to say is I don't feel it's about fault I feel like I'm on a journey and I'm like where where am I what what
where where are we going and so um the idea that Number four should have been um meeting space with bathroom and then these are the because the table has a lot of those embedded pieces but that part actually there because it's so hard
to do it. >> Well, we wouldn't have had much to say about it. We wouldn't have had a bottom line because we don't have that information yet. Yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe we go back. I mean I I think at this point I don't know. I would I would say let's get the information about the bathroom.
>> Yeah, >> let's make that investment. I don't know how much money the finance committee still has within its reserves, but we can estimate as to what it would cost from Alan Weiss. See if he's willing to
um put a an outline scope together. Um and then talk to the finance committee um and then see what it would cost to to get an estimate. Was that the route you
would envision going to the finance committee reserve account versus like a an article on the up town meeting warrant? >> Yeah. Well, the town meeting Warren is like >> Yeah, that's why I'm pushing this because if we're going to do that, we got Yeah. No, not this week. >> Yeah,
>> there's there's 42,000 left in the Fincom reserve right now. >> Seemed like that would be the place to go because we're not talking about a lot of money. We got to get that information then. >> Yeah. >> Fairly soon I would >> Yeah. >> say. So can we just kind of divvy up
some tasks to uh >> Yeah. So I think the um I think it would be writing up a scope. So I was jotting down some notes Stephen. Um so you had mentioned um one item would be um
determining the well yield cap doing a well yield capacity test >> capacity yield gallons per minute >> capacity test for town hall well >> um >> so if I could jump in Rita before you get too much further seems like there
are two routes I mean we could write up one big you know um contract with Allen to collect all to get all this information. Yeah. Or we could say, >> you know, one of us could call a well driller and ask if they could come down and do a capacity yield test and, you
know, tell us how much it would cost. Someone else could talk to a plumber and say, you know, would you be able to come up with an estimate for connecting to the septic and connecting to the to the well versus asking Allen to be doing a lot of the work that we
>> could definitely do that. Yeah. really only Allen's expertise would be to evaluate the church septic system and say whether it could tie into another system. Yeah. Because originally he was thinking we were talking where should a tight tank go and where should a well
go. Well, no, we're not talking about that now. We're just talking about this one piece. >> So, so he's a septic system. You have a well guy. >> Well, I'm even Yeah. Um wondering if
we just talked to a plumber about what would the cost be to hook up from here to the library? In other words, what's it going to cost to run the water line, do the additional plumbing, the bathroom
there? Do that number significant enough where that would and not do the yield and not do the septic system. >> No, I'm just I guess in my mind the yield >> isn't going to be an issue.
>> It's whether you put a larger >> right >> pressure tank in here. >> Right. Right. >> Um and that's you know >> so you're thinking it's really the se and make sure the septic system will work. >> If the septic system works then we need also a plumber. If a plumber does that
or if a septic person would do the hookup >> to that the pumping equipment then obviously we need provide some heat we'll need an electrician to do some work too but
>> the only thing I would ask is you know I can see independently getting those kind of estimates >> but I would coordinate with Allen just because he's so he's so knowledgeable and I think
it'll be independently >> I just want to make sure the right questions are being asked and um >> well yeah I mean you know we can we can probably little money get a yield estimate for the well >> Allen would probably they'd be then be
able to tell us well if this was your yield you know can you put two bathrooms in over there you know and and what you've got here >> maybe not and you know that's where we need his expertise to >> and we just have to pay him the hour we're getting from other people, >> right?
>> Yeah. >> So, whatever we can get for free would be great. We don't have to pay >> um >> Right. >> Bummer. >> Yeah. Well, that's what my thinking was. Why have Allen call the well driller and say, "Can you come and do a yield test
when we could do that?" >> Yes. Yeah. Um, so but we need to know what is that yield test going to cost us, >> right? >> Because that's where we have to get the money from the finance committee. So if you guys could gather that
um I I don't I wouldn't know where to begin with. >> Well, I mean, you know, we we dealt with >> Henshaw was it the the well driller, you know, when we did all the the monitoring wells in town. Oh yeah, >> they were really really good to carry
all the time. So, you know, so I could pursue that. >> Yeah. And I don't know who just did the um thing at the with the church. >> I don't know if that was Henshaw when they had to they had to >> at the parsonage. >> Is that where you're >> No, it was actually the church. It was a town well.
>> Oh, right, right, right. They had to redo the line in church, >> but if Henshaw was good on monitoring wells. >> All right, I'll pursue that one.
>> Okay. And would one of you I'm just going to be out of town again for a little bit. Um, one of you be willing to talk to Alan too. Stephen, you were mean. and and the plumber, right? We need a
plumber consult consultation, >> I guess. So, uh you think a plumber could come up with all I mean the trenching and everything that would be required? Well, you know, if you think about say a uh a community that has public water
supply, plumber puts typically puts the water line in from say the street into the house, hooks it up. So, that's kind of what we're talking about, a trench. Um, obviously it's a through across the
roadway roadway >> over to the building. So it's longer, but um >> yeah, just that thinking is so much more complicated to go across a public road, you know, than to go from a the edge of the road to a house. >> You know, there's going to be an
apartment required. And do plumbers deal with all of that kind of thing? I I don't know. >> Crossing some of the plumbers I know. >> I'd be surprised. That's not to like that.
>> I'll I'll talk to Allan. Um and steer >> Yeah. Why don't I ask and you could ask him because I remember him talking about that and I remember it coming up with um oh gosh, you know the the farm on um
Baker Road, you know, on the corner of Baker Road and she was trying to run water underneath that um >> that road there. >> Baker Road. Yeah. >> Okay. So, I'll ask Allan about the
church septic and what it's like to go across the road to >> what it would cost. Yeah. How many hours? Because I think he was sh like he said it was $130 an hour for his time. >> So, tell him we're doing this on a budget. >> Yeah. He knows about and then we do need
a plumber. >> Yeah. Before we leave, Alan, um, you might ask them if we would need to have >> the septic system evaluated to like a type five inspection kind of thing in addition to just looking at the plants.
Yeah. He may say, you got to see if it's functioning properly. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, in that case, we got to factor that cost in. And the plumber questions are hook up the septic, hook up the water across the road, and put in
bathroom fixtures. Is that it? >> Thank for the plumber. Yeah. >> Now, we need to find a somebody who can contact a plumber with any kind of I don't could ask Russ.
ask Russ to figure it out. >> Yeah. Yeah, we could could do that. I mean, I I just dealt with a really good local plumber who's now doing a big job for my son's project down in Ammeris, too. So, >> he would be uh I mean, I'd be to contact him.
>> Okay. >> All right. You can still talk to Russ water and install bathroom. Plumbers don't do the building. They But there's a space for that bathroom.
All they have to do is pull out the compost to >> then it would be all of the bathroom. >> Yeah. So, it's actually plum the bathroom and somebody else does the installation.
So, we'll do a toilet, sink, and a 15 gallon water heater. No, no hot water. >> Hot water. >> Fairy solution. No, you don't get hot water.
>> Yeah, we have a big thing happen. >> You can still you can have cold water. It's like you go into the restrooms, you know, when you're traveling. >> Yeah. And yeah, it's always >> freezing. >> For some of them, there are two faucets.
You just >> cold and cold. >> That's an option. >> Okay, that sounds good. Um,
so we'd have that back for the next meeting. Do we want to um amend this chart and put in option four? >> I think it's a good idea >> since we're thinking about it. >> Yep. >> Um and just to help
>> anchor that discussion into something, >> we don't know the cost. Yeah. >> But it would need >> um water source and it would need septic. Yeah. So you can see the ones that >> Okay. So, let's let's look across. Yes.
Yes. >> Water. Yes. Yes. Interior renovations. >> Yes. >> Will that be minor? >> That's just the bathroom. I So, we have moderate substantial substantial. It would be minor. >> Minor. Yeah. >> You think?
>> Yeah. Well, it's the same. It's the same >> right. Yeah. >> You know, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think I think um there's enough space there to that it be ADA accessible. wasn't built that way. >> Put in a small excuse me sink without
compromising. Have to look at it again. >> Yeah. >> You think minor instead of moderate for >> Yeah, I would say so. >> Architect needed. No, probably not. >> Additional maintenance.
>> Um that running a real bathroom. Um maybe >> minor >> minor, >> but then utility costs there's some >> cuz it's it's going to have to get heated >> moderate.
>> Moderate. Thank you. >> Multiple needs to go to the bathroom. Yes, >> I guess so. >> Needs of many people. >> Yeah. and need iss probably that number one,
>> but just say yes. >> Just say yes again. Yeah. >> All right. Approximate cost >> to be determined. We're working on that. >> We don't have to put this out until we get that number. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe. Okay.
This option number four is just putting in a bad >> Y. So then I uh wonder if it's worth adding to the chart some of the complicating
factors you know like if you decide to do this don't know about to post don't know about this >> I think this chart underneath was meant to reference that um and and a chart is
such a small amount of text, right? >> If we give such a big idea, um we had the if then list. Um if somebody needs to really look at it, maybe that's how we give them that information. Um but I
I think that the chart has its limitations, but it also helps light the possible paths. And that's what I thought that's what I think we're trying to do. Yeah, I think the chart and and it does it does sort of reference some of the the post stuff
down down below in the footnotes. So, I think the chart is >> it serves its purpose. Can we talk about the the post issue because it's it's bugging me a little bit because I spent about an hour going
through, you know, all the legislation on it and >> and the website >> and I could not find anything related to facilities. >> It was training for officers. So, I mean, you
know, we're just kind of assuming that Devon, you know, has inside information about this. And I did I called him at, you know, youration, Rita, and had a talk with him about it. >> Y >> and it was similar to what he said here. You know, everything's unclear, nothing's clear.
>> So, I'm not even certain that there going to be any requirements related to facilities coming out of that effort. Maybe something, but >> not the post commission. So I was leerary putting it even putting it on the chart because I didn't want to put
something in there that was >> so we don't have anything definitive like in writing. >> So I I guess I brought it up just in case any of you have more information about that that >> Well, I think that's why um his comment
about urgency struck me. >> We don't have we don't know of urgency. We know how we wish things could be different. That's not the same as let's let's add on to the garage and put in a police station down there. That that would have been some kind of uh big
step. I I wonder just uh it's never come up in this committee, but uh is there a role for the trustee the library trustees in all of this since do they have any responsibility for the
spear library at this point? >> No, I don't think so, Henry. Not at all. They're the board of library trustees. They're not the spear library trustees, >> right? >> Okay. I also have to say that it feels a
little sad to sort of end up at this space. Oh, it's a meeting space and we're not going to be able to work out any of these other pieces right now because I feel like those other pieces are real. The the idea that we could make a police
space that was more sufficient, move stuff around upstairs um seemed like an important idea and I it really had its genesis for me back in doing record storage. We didn't even mention record storage in any of this
and you know maybe there we are doing digitization and so maybe it's not going to actually be part of it but it wasn't part of these discussions. So part of me can see a future that would solve some problems but I don't think we
are in the space to do it and I feel just a meeting space allows us to wait. Um, I think the braver people move ahead. I'm not that brave. And maybe because I'm working on terrible budgets
repeatedly, I don't feel um we're in a position to to be more extensive changing right now. But those ideas were good. I could see it in my mind. Police station down here, conference space upstairs, a TC moving, some storage
working out. I could see all that. Yeah. And and maybe there's a way of having that bigger discussion at some point, Susie. And maybe it's after this town meeting where we have a you know
a I I'm not sure if it's in in in a town meeting or if it's in a I was going to say come to Jesus moment, you know, of like, you know, where are we as a as as a town and how are we
spending money and um we have all these needs. I mean, we have a bunch of buildings, including the elementary school that, you know, has some significant capital needs and we have to, you know, figure out how are we
going to pay for it? Uh, and so it's, you know, it's it's tough in this environment and how how do we prioritize, you know, what we're going to spend money on?
though it's a little it's a it's a it's a tough not and you know we're certainly not alone there other uh we have other communities that are in the same boat that we are but you know I drive by the the highway department or the fire
station or you know we have a elementary school that's what 35 40 years old >> yeah it's you know >> my my feeling my intuition I guess is that >> we're probably going to end in similar place to what you just described that
we're going to say, you know what, now we have more information. This is just not doable right now. So, we're going to make it functional as a meeting space. You know, keep our options open for the future. Um, so then for me, since our
charge has kind of expanded along the way to looking at space in general, like in town hall, then the focus for me shifts right back to here. So then do we say okay we'll leave that alone for now. Do we pursue reorganizing town hall? And
again we're talking about some big bucks. So maybe this is another not now kind of you know conclusion but you know should we you know we we may end up needing to focus a little more here and say well is there something else we can do less expensive in the meantime or
something the police department definitely has needs. a town clerk definitely has needs. >> So, you know, those are not going away and maybe those are >> the that is the quote urgency that um that we really need to deal with.
Okay. Phew. Uh all right. So we will gather some information, some numbers, come back to the next meeting
and um April 9th work for folks. Yep. >> Yep. >> That's a Thursday. >> That's a Thursday. Yeah. >> Yep.
meeting is May 9th. >> May 9th, >> I'm good on the 9th. >> Okay. >> Everybody else. Okay. >> Yep. >> I'm going to be away without you. >> You can do that. >> Okay.
>> All right. Do you guys have your marching orders? >> I just want to uh bring up uh shortly after we went away, I got an email from Matteo about the grant proposal. >> Yeah. Henry and I Henry and I uh Oh,
okay. Yes. So, a CPA grant. >> Yeah. >> For the So, um two two main things I remember. One is you can't have a range. you have to have it known and then they expect that there are other sources of
funding. So um you know I don't think that's going to happen this go around. >> It's not happening this. So the porch isn't going to get fixed in this go round through grant. So um so actual other sources of money or like in kind
>> match >> matching funds >> but but can that be in kind what you say >> doesn't have to be >> could be in kind service. What would the same >> can provide in kind without it being a a labor >> even? Yeah.
>> Loss. Oh, yeah. Well, there's that. >> Well, I mean, I labor. >> We had a buildings committee recently meeting recently and I explained this and I said, "So, we're going to, you know, we're going to need probably to uh put some monies, you know, from what we
have." >> I don't know how much because we've been doing a few things. We did this electrical stuff. We did some gutters, some downspouts. >> I I brought up the question uh what percentage of the total
>> would be adequate as matching funds. >> Okay. >> And I heard the 10%. >> Okay. >> And of course, you know, historical commission that would wipe out our budget right there. I was like, so >> Okay.
Oh, quick question for you. Uh, outside of that, have you received the sign board? >> Not yet, but it should be ready any any time soon. So, we need to >> get on to the the cement
>> foundation. >> Yeah, >> we'll want to look at it and kind of design how install it. >> So, we need to have that before we start even thinking about the cement foundation. >> Correct. Plus, I think it would be good to have it so that we could take it to
the site and actually decide where the best spot is for it. >> Got it. >> So, so the base goes in the right spot. >> Pour concrete. Good to know where >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> All right. Well, let us know when when
you get it. >> When you expect to get it. >> Well, we we'll have to figure out where to put it once we do because I mean >> for the time being anyway. >> Okay. >> So maybe maybe the highway department or
Yeah. I mean >> I can talk to Dave. >> Okay. >> So state legal laws would preclude us from you know towns people from volunteering time. No, little
>> I mean I think it somewhat depends on um how extensive work is but I don't know how what the numbers how they figure that out and kind of if you open that can of worms >> lots of others show up.
>> A shame. Yeah, >> but I know that when Bob arranged for that uh I don't know if it was nic to put the glass slider in the school, however he got that that person was qualified.
>> Well, he might have as a um if you have like a sole source person who doesn't have like a lot of laborers. >> Well, that's probably true. >> Yeah, >> it was it. Yeah.
>> Um, >> not that. No fix there. We'll just lock that front door, not let people use that porch. Oh, no. That's a bad idea. >> Um, okay. So, I hear a motion to adjurnn.
>> So, second. >> All those in favor? >> I was your eye. >> Lions. I >> Thank you, Frell. Thank you, Henry. Feel better. >> Thanks,