e e e so every uh mumbling we have now will saved saved for posterity yeah I I tend to forget that when we're in the middle of our meetings that we're
being recorded and it's going to be posted on the internet yeah I mean you know it's a little bit being put on the Internet is kind of one thing because it's just everywhere but
uh you know I like as far as like work goes you know at the job or something like that you know if if you're doing something you know that kind of like everything you do is like monitored or or or tracked or whatever there's kind of I don't know it's
uh I like it if you know you're able to act and everything is kind of like you know visible and out there right well that was my my whole working career you know I always again I worked for government so we assumed everything
every chat every email was you know discoverable or fo uh you know and would would potentially see the light of day and be broadcast far and wide I mean that's the you know the old adage is don't type anything you wouldn't want to see on the
front page of the New York Times right yeah and and there's a certain U freedom in that you know or I don't know Freedom or like uh Comfort I found yeah I I mean I never I always thought it was
uh just I mean it's something you should learn as a kid right I mean kind of the you know uh if you don't have anything nice to say don't say it you know if you don't have anything smart to say don't say
it that's right or at least thoughtful right yeah right but a lot of people don't get that message yeah Deacon how are you if you were saying hi to was Deacon you
are muted you look like you're peeking over a wall are we good now yep we're good okay good evening sir um oh there's Michael you're fenced in
Nathan yeah I'm actually fenced out that's uh behind me is kind of like a playroom area yeah and so that was uh it's somewh obsolete at this point but it's uh it might still contain rows I guess
but anyway I don't know I think you probably tried to get in and they didn't want you in so they kept you out yeah you know it's it's true hi Michael how are you I'm okay
I'm see um host is mato not coming Mato is not coming oh my gosh okay that's good to know so we could we could help you if you want with the
admitting yeah well I was going to try and make you a co-host and it only gives me the option to make you a host oh that's weird why do you want me to poost and you can welcome and then I'll see if
there's a way of doing it well you know I think uh oh here we go host tools if you if you go next to me you know and you see the three dots to the right it should it should say make a co-host Le that's normal how it works
does make host that's all right I'm G to just uh okay so we do have War at the moment you know what Michael I am just going to make you a host
um so that you can monitor yes right so you're now the host okay cool and uh so I don't know if I can even see the waiting room anymore now I can I can still reclaim host but
oh that's good um that's weird that you can't have a co-host we have to look into that okay 704 I'm going to call this meeting of the Sho spray planning board to order and I'm going to note that the
meeting is being recorded good evening Ashley how are you um I'm okay good evening how are you good evening um I thought I had seen um yeah okay I thought I saw Robert too you
thought you saw Robert yeah and now he's not uh okay I'll keep an eye out for him yeah all right um would anyone like to make public comment well my son will pop in at any
minute and I make I have to make sure to put food in his stomach but I will be listening and hear and can uh take part as needed just giving you all a heads up okay Melissa is here she just joined I
don't know if she has public comment but yeah that's me Mike Michael yeah no I I know who you are [Laughter] I'ma I know I know Melissa Mo yeah you
know well well known I see [Music] um yep Jeff has joined us now as well that's uh good evening Jeff good evening can you hear me we can hear you yes and we can kind
of oh there okay now I can see you too okay um anyone else for a public comment or uh no okay okay and do we have anyone here that's for landowner education and guidance no
okay all right did you uh Nathan did you start recording I did yes okay thank you I jumped into the meeting you know like 20 minutes early just because I was afraid it was everything was going
to crash and I U just didn't want to have like 20 minutes of blank recording at the start of it so I paused it but we're recording and next up we have a minutes from uh 25
uh January 13th and 2025 February [Music] 10th do I hear a motion I did but you didn't hear me oh I'll move to proove the minutes January 13 2025 um I second all
right do we have any any discussion um I didn't realize Mato was not going to be here but I think in the version I'm looking at there's some yellow highlights
and some of those were mine so just uh if that is actually true I just wanted to let you know that I was the source of the yellow highlights okay but I don't if I if I was a source of all of them but just as an
FYI are you looking at a version that's on the uh I thought I opened the one that you sent okay huh I could be wrong no I mean I uh I just don't see any yellow highlights on January 13th
but hold hold on I was saying January of minutes oh that was one of well one of the things Nathan that's worth noting one of the edits for the February meeting is that the date is
wrong because they both say January 13th oh okay um okay yeah yeah I see that I see that I have a okay yeah yeah I see I see the okay so now if I'm yeah okay yeah I'm still not seeing
yellow here but I don't know if you want to share your screen just to make sure everyone is looking at the same uh sure I mean or uh not the definitive but this is you guys see
this no NOP yeah it's a black screen it says that you started screen sharing but we can't see anything we okay let's try that again stop sharing stop sharing
start again uh Michael it said double click to start share screening share the screen on the message that we got oh I do see a little bit of yellow my apologies you see it
now no really weird I see it okay um and I think yeah I I see the yellow yeah and I think this is the accurate January one I think the other one that's
labeled January is the February one yeah okay so I mean you know anything um does anyone have any other fur further discussion other than that all right
um so Ashley is uh we have uh okay um I'm I'm just going to call call the rooll with the board member we have here de Kier hi um Raymond hi uh
boner hi Weston Hi and um I'm an I so the minutes are approved you didn't call my name oh I'm sorry Ashley um that's okay I thank you
um all right excellent all right so uh that's good um moving on to February uh oh I will move to approve the minutes of February 10th
2025 I'll second it okay they they labeled January 133 in the actual minutes yeah so we'll obviously uh make sure that they get
uh I guess you know to clarify that Robert if you go into the the drive they're La they're labeled correctly as uh 202-210 but then when you open the document and up at the top it says January 13th okay if that is uh
helpful all right any uh so we have a a motion in a second right do we have any other discussion I had one additional edit which is really uh actually two
um and then just a general comment so we I think we should suggest to Mato that he numbered the pages that would be good but on the third page which Geor rmer points out you see that
one um the third page that start starts uh with uh in bird or bat kills uh oh no I'm sorry rammer points out with the old turb turbine that bench yep so the fifth paragraph which starts
with my name they care recalls okay second line it should say balloons to check sight lines the sight lines was wrong okay yeah and then two paragraphs down um again where it starts with my name not
that I look for paragraphs to start with my name but um the third paragraph the third line it says reaches 65 Deb it just should be Monroe as opposed to Monro okay that's it okay um so do you have uh have you
made a a copy of this document with just these changes that you can um I I sent it to Mato so he should have them so you sent that to Mato and uh as a Word document
as a Word document okay um by chance do uh well yeah that's fine so I think um I could change it in the online one I just didn't want to mess with anything right I uh I was thinking just
to well yeah that's fine so we'll just make sure Matel knows which document we approved which is that one and uh you know with those revisions we agree on and uh I will call the role um
POF I okay um Raymond abstain I wasn't present okay uh Weston hi um uh uh boner
hi uh DEA hi and I'm an I so we're good there excellent we can move on I left the minutes a little bit shorter just because we have a lot to to go through next on our agenda is is
bylaw amendments and to just there's a few different things that are packed into this item here right but as we all know we've been working on several different
amendments uh and recently uh last week we sent I sent some to Town Council for review dealing with accessory dwelling units and
the uh a tiny houses Amendment and a uh regulation of uh short-term rentals for adus is kind of a separate item for Don's review now uh we'll go through each of
those more or less at high level but there are some things that I want to focus on kind of specifically before we do that uh that I think the board should clarify and the first one of those is
the question of regulating short-term rentals for accessory dwelling units do you want me to share this Nathan just yeah actually um I got it right here okay
yeah make it bigger where it go there it is I think it it's just taking a minute to kind of uh go through this so you know part of what we're doing with the Adu amendments is trying to
bring our bylaw into compliance with state law and some members of the board have you know indicated that we should uh also regulate short-term rentals for
a protected use Adu or adus in general as they uh apply in our bylaw but this is not required to be done by by state law state law does explicitly say that this kind of regulation for adus is permissible uh but there's no
requirement for us to to to make this uh regulation so tonight I would you know we've had some discussion about this in the past but I don't I don't know that we came to
any firm conclusion on it so I'd like to open the floor for anyone who would like to State their uh their thoughts on on this question I I'll just kick it off not to not to
Advocate one way or the other but if you look at this um what you'll see is that there's two sections that are cited there's the 3.32 and then the four. 4-2
so the four 4.2 D2 is about adus and so as Nathan said we are allowed in the new law to um prohibit short-term rentals which are defined in state law um it's anything
less than 31 days and it has that little bit of description it's basically um I just pulled that out the interesting thing that I think Nathan and I well Nathan discovered it and then he and I discussed it but there is currently in our bylaws something that says that renting rooms
to Lodgers borders tourist shall be permitted as an acccessory use provided that no separate cooking facilities are maintained and Prov Ed and more than three and more than three rooms are rented which seems a little confusing because the
Adu statute says that you have to have separate cooking facilities um so just trying to make those align um but right now the 33-2 exists in our bylaws and the
accessory dwelling units or the short-term rentals ises not if that's helpful one note on on the existing language we have in our bylaw I was thinking about this more and it says renting rooms to lodges right
so it it seems to me that probably the intent of that was uh or at least the like the context of this language is you know within a dwelling like if you're in a if if you're in a dwelling you can rent you know if you have two rooms and you live
and you you sleep in one you can rent the other one to someone but there can't be a separate cooking facilities so I I kind of take this you know possibly the intent of this to be you know like you're not setting up like
a makeshift Kitchen in a in the upstairs your house where you're having some some borders stay so that they can cook their food up there or maybe setting up uh you know uh hot plates or something like that which I mean I'm not sure if that's
what it meant but it it I don't think this would be applicable to if somebody had a a multif family unit and they were renting out one side of it as a vacation home or something like that that that separate unit can't have a kitchen in it you know
it's not a separate kitchen per se it's a completely separate unit right and it's not renting rooms it's it's renting an entire dwelling so I don't think that this language would apply in that sense it is confusing though um with your
interpretation that might Bean we don't have to touch it which would make any Amendment easy because it would just be do we do short-term rentals on adus or not would that would be the question at hand then which is much simpler so does anyone else have anything
uh any thoughts on this hey this is Keith where I'm I'm reading what's on the screen where is the language about the cooking facilities it's in red and uh struck out there oh oh duh okay
thanks yeah I don't yeah I'm having a hard time figuring out what the what the intention of that one was um provided there [Music] twice right oh yeah yeah because he crossed
out the end there yeah we can fix that too so getting to the more you know meat and potatoes of the question is um with our Amendment for adus more or less the the change that we're doing is removing an owner occupancy
requirement for accessory dwelling units all right and and and you know allowing the square footage to go from 800 to 900 if it's uh less than half the size of the house right Nathan can I jump in for a minute
just because I think I'm gonna quote you so when Nathan and I were talking what what the reason he advocated pulling this out from the updated Adu amendment is that this is a little more controversial and it's not required by law so what Nathan had said is this
could be debated on town meeting Flo floor it could pass it could fail it depends on what people are thinking but he would suggest we if we SE separate it out as a separate Amendment it wouldn't endanger the actual Adu Amendment which is what we're supposed to do because
we're supposed to comply with the law so that was I think the rationale so sorry to interrupt but I thought you had a good point thanks all right well yeah that's uh my question is is why would we introduce an amendment to town meeting
to to regulate uh short-term rentals why why would we do this I know the thing I will say that I mentioned to you and I think I think Jeff brought it up earlier but if you think about you can you're allowed to put in a
manufactured home as an Adu and so one could build a new struct you know build a new structure or add on to your house and they're by right so if you think about the lake as an example which is you know vacation friendly um you could all of a
sudden have people putting adus up at the lake and doing shortterm rentals um for Airbnb kind of things um which would create more Demand on the lake more crowding etc etc so I think that the idea it would [Music]
be not making this so that you know the idea with adus as far as far as I could tell and I think you and I discussed Nathan is the state's trying trying to create more affordable housing units for people to live in it's not necessarily saying we the state wants to create more
um short-term rental revenue for homeowners so I think that the differentiation in my mind state that may be true that you know in passing the affordable homes act the state had the intention of uh
creating more affordable housing but the state also did not go so far as to mandate that accessory dwelling units cannot be a short-term rental um
now uh does anyone else have any anything to say about why we should do this this is Ashley and um I I would Echo the concern particularly about the
lake um just if we're trying to keep with the spirit of what the state intention was for this um I think it it's I mean those lots are so small and I
know I know it's going to be tricky for a lot of people to put adus up within the confines of those lots as it is but a lot could pop up and yeah it could be I Echo what Michael said it could be tricky on the ecosystem of the lake and
uh to just have people coming in and over and over again all summer with the septics and everything I think could just be an issue um that said I wish there was a you know I always am looking for a compromise like I wish we could say well maybe between the months of May and
October you can do uh short-term rentals but uh school year is it you can't I don't know that seems complicated though and I'm not suggesting that it just it also I I want to express that I feel for
the home owners too because it would be a a good way for them to make income um I just don't think that that's the spirit of accessory dwelling units you know the the push for them um Jeff Weston here um In My Memory
also the lake was shut down quite a bit because of eoli so you're adding you know more people there and um more stress on the septic systems and uh leeching fields and so forth and um I don't think it'd be good for the
majority of people in the lake certainly to have it shut down more frequently and that's it right Nathan yeah I think Ashley you guys make a good point about the uh the septic my first thought was the lot sizes around the lake that I don't
know that there's going to be a whole lot of separate and I don't even I mean even building on to some of those houses is probably impossible um but yeah the SE because if you're going to add occupancy to any building you're going to have to have a septic system that passes the
title five and hell I don't think half of them pass title five now um so that may that may be the you know whatever we do as a planning board it may be pretty limited just uh just based on the the nature that the lake is already
developed um so I don't and again I'm like you if somebody wants to and and as a frequent not frequent a an occasional user of airbnbs or short-term rentals at people's houses uh in rural settings uh
in in different places it's it's pretty neat so I I mean I hate to dissuade people from coming to see shoot spury um you know and the fear that it's going to be college kids coming for a beer bash or something like that I don't know um I
don't know how how many college kids want to come up here and do that want to stay downtown but anyway um yeah I I think the lake may be less of an issue than we we fear I guess not entirely on topic
um prop property can't transfer outside of families without passing Title 5 so a lot of the a lot of the places that the lake now have Titanic systems I think any new construction at the lake would have it too but before we
get more into that I see Melissa has her hands up I'd like to hear from her I I I was just uh talking about I was just going to address the closing of the lake often times is actually the geese um and not the septic because the tight tanks have been put in it's much cleaner than
it was um in some points of my childhood um the question I have I have is and I know focusing around the lake is a because that's the most tight area and building I know if you build a a room you have to increase your septic or your
tight tank if you're adding bedrooms so um that would that would be an issue and I think would almost nullify any of the accessory Apartments down there unless they had enough room it's really tight the the question I had is also what
about um a senior citizen who becomes an empty nester wants to rent their room for visiting Professor who's here three or four weeks or something like that would this negate something like that in the thinking of the other parts of
town well if it was under a month that would be a short-term rental if it was you know right more than that I mean so that that's a short answer I mean I was just asking the question I don't know that there's an answer necessarily tonight it was just thinking of another option where someone might have a
short-term Ral let not an Airbnb or one of those those options you know be more based out of financial necessity or um to pay their mortgage or taxes I mean I've got two middle ground ideas I was
just gonna say uh meliss under the proposed amendment if it's just renting out a room in your house it's not effective but if if the room you're talking about is part of a an accessory dwelling unit then it the amendment would be applicable to that and that
would be okay prohibited by the bylaw okay I appreciate that thank you if we wanted to go to the middle ground it seems like there's two things that just came up one is we could prohibit short-term rentals
for adus perhaps in just the lake dist like Oola District because if you're allowed to limit short-term rentals uh I mean I think this begs the rationale for making it a separate Amendment from the Adu because you know can we treat this
different different districts differently in terms of short-term rentals I don't I I would think so but I'm not sure um the other thing is I mean to Keith's point maybe we don't do it this year and see what happens because if people you
know can't build then practically speaking we don't have to regulate it it's already doing it by itself it's just the unfortunate thing of people start wanting to do it and their neighbor did it and then we say oh going forward you can't do it so that's sort of like the drag you don't want to cut people off
Midstream yeah um yeah I think a wait and see might uh might be a good idea you know um another few things that we should consider before voting to put this out um to town
meeting is uh accessory dwelling units do provide some revenue for the town um several years back uh I can't remember the specific statute it might be the one that Michael lists in the proposed
amendment uh but if if it's not that exact section it's I think in that same chapter that has a a town meeting we accepted it and now um companies like Airbnb and uh vbro uh have to make
reporting mandatory reporting to the state and I think think after accepting that uh part of the general law our assessors now have the ability to go out and get that information from the state and collect taxes on these units um so
we're collecting a little bit it's not a huge number I think it's something like $20,000 or $22,000 or something like that but it is uh it is some revenue for the town um that could be impacted by this and I mean you know
consideration um in terms of affordability uh like uh Melissa mentioned you know the other the other side of that is if you have an Adu and you know you can rent it out to short-term rentals uh
renters um you know that may be a preferable a better alternative than renting it out full-time um you know if you're able to rent it out for if you a few weeks a year and
that brings in enough money for you to stay above War then that that's helping you to stay where you are right so that's a different way that they can be used and in terms of this you know there's you know ecological concerns down at the
lake I think uh I don't think we have any kind of information we don't have any information to uh to really make that assessment that if we continue to allow adus which are currently allowed I'm
sorry um short-term rentals right you know there's already short-term rentals at the lake um in short-term rentals for adus were not allowed in theory any adus that could be built that are built anyway
you're going to have full-time residents there instead of part-time residents so that you know if more people is is potentially the problem the long-term uh rentals are going to potentially cause that increased
ecological harm over short-term rentals of course you know there's a question of if adus are allowed if short-term rentals are allowed for adus are they going to be more built at the lake than if they if short-term rentals were restricted right that's a that's a fair
question uh we don't you know have a lot of information to assess that with uh there are a lot of uh confines with in the Lake District based on rules around non-conforming lots and non-conforming
structures I I think based on that we could probably say we would not expect adus to pop start popping up all over the place you know detached buildings or things like that um because most of the properties down there if you're going to
do any kind of development like that you're talking about a special permit with the zba [Music] and I think that is uh that covers most of what I wanted to say about that Michael yeah I mean the
the other concern that I have just is I mean as a reminder with the new state law adus don't have to be own or occupied So currently a lot of towns including shury had owner occupied requirement so one of the two dwellings had to be owner
occupied right now the way it says is you can build an Adu by right and neither of the two dwelling units have to be owner occupied and so you know the concern is I mean sh will never be hopefully would never be like ammer but you know one of the issues down in ammer
is that downtown there's just there's very you know there's diminishing owner occupa occupation um and and lots of students coming out because they can charge lots of money and the accountability to the neighborhood goes
down the accountability to the housing stock goes down etc etc and so one of one of the reasons I would say it's worth considering not having short-term rentals is because if there's no owner in either of those things and people just you know you could build one just
to be a cash register um and granted you know it it is going to be the kind of people who want to go to a rural setting but um it doesn't create consistency of neighbors and neighborhoods so um it
I you know I don't think the state law was intended for this and I it's and I do I mean so you know that's a that's possibility who knows if it'll really happen um but uh I think not having owner occupancy changes the dynamic significantly from what it is now um and
I do think I can imagine a scenario where someone not at the lake but any else in town who has an ample room Builds an Adu with the idea of having an Airbnb and then in a year or two or three we say hey we're going to limit short-term rentals and the person right
rightly will say I'm getting screwed you know so I think we'd have to allow that um any you know we'd have to have short-term I don't know if short-term rentals for buildings that were built after you know a certain point of time because you'd have to grandfather those folks in otherwise you know they will
have invested in properties and upgrading their homes with the expectation of making Revenue so we'd have to we'd have to leave it open for those folks so something to think about if we don't do it and then we change our mons later we'd have to be attentive to it but um
I'm glad I'm glad you brought that up Michael because that there was one other thing I wanted to say and and that is I think you know introducing this new regulation for accessory for shortterm rentals does carry with it a little bit
of risk for the town because as of now there there very well may be accessory dwelling units that are being used to short-term rentals at the lake right so if you know we're doing this as a zoning bylaw and
we're you know we're saying for you know the use of accessory dwelling that you know shortterm rental is prohibited so we're making the use more restrictive So in theory anyone with a short-term rent
you know should have vested rights right but we don't you know I think we would have a lot of trouble you know trying to sort that out possibly and you know I mean if if
uh you know by putting this in I mean it could you know spark some kind of uh you know controversy among people whether they're in that situation or whether they want to to do it um you know they could sue us
over it right I mean and uh you know it's introducing a more restrictive thing that's restricting you know what people can do um which you know could you know I I wouldn't say this is a high risk but you know there is some risk there that you know we could um end
up in uh you know occurring some legal fees over it or things like that right so so we have this question you know do we want to wait and see I mean you know you know maybe you know we're still waiting on
legal review if the town did decide that it was uh in the best interest to to reign in short-term rental possibly a general bulaw would be a better way to go
I don't know if that's true or not but that would be enough that would come to the top of my list of questions on it one thing I would say is it seems to me that the text that is the text that is being added to here is is about is
about an accessory use not not an accessory structure and and then if we were going to to regulate um short-term rentals of an
accessory apartment that that should be done in a different place I mean directly to the to the accessory apartment deal not not the accessory use of a of a single family
house well yeah I think um the amendment that uh we have a draft of I I think is [Music] um addresses the accessory use of an accessory
dwelling which would apply to both detached and uh attached accessory dwellings yeah but but that but accessory accessory legal recognized accessory
physical arrangement I mean but this is really this is real this the the way this is written here it's about a use of presumably of a single family
house not one that has a formal you know accessory dwelling well for the accessory dwelling units it can be single family second two family I think and multiple dwelling but you know but I'm I'm fine
with not pushing it Forward just so I don't know if anyone feels like I'm the one pushing for it but um I think Nathan wanted not to do it huh I'm agreeing with you yeah yeah yeah
okay all right well um so is the board going to decline to uh put put a Amendment forward then for this well I think that that the only the only thing that's being proposed is is
the red stuff the other stuff is already there no all yeah that's that's oh that's confusing right yeah that's confusing um the red stuff is uh yeah I know Michael you want to want put that up again real quick yeah I'm I'm going
to I was going to change it but I'll put it up first yeah and yeah I'll change it you guys see that so section three
33-2 is an edit but the 4.4 D2 is a new insertion as is the uh definition right so no but
3-3-2 is in the existing zoning except for the red right with the red the red is in there yeah this whole this whole thing exists apparrently yeah but in the but in my copy of the zoning the red the red
language isn't printed oh no it's it's it's in there that's where we found that's where Nathan found it you talking about that no separate cooking facilities are maintained Deacon are you talking about yeah I'm talking about the cooking facilities that isn't that isn't in our
existing zoning oh okay well uh how new is that no it's there it's there the one the most recent one that just got updated it it says renting
rooms to Lodgers borders of tour shall be permitted permitted as sucessor use provided that no separate cooking facilities are maintained and provided that no more oh okay I'm sorry that's all right we want to make sure everyone's clear
yeah but Nathan maybe we maybe we frame it in the affirmative which is the the board is willing to give this little time to play out it will'll take action if need be as
opposed to declining to put it forward so well I mean yeah we don't we don't need to do anything to not put it forward so I guess we can just move on and uh so we've got the SE we've got the other amendments um that's okay that's that's
fine I think I think that's uh that's fine if we can keep an eye on it and if things start uh becoming problematic then we'll bring it to a town meeting and and and see uh what happens I ask a
quick question yes um so it it's driving me crazy because I don't have the bylaws in front of me so I can't check all this stuff but do we are we deciding to not bring the accessory dwelling unit by law at all to town meeting or is that
something that's we're just talking about the short-term rental piece okay yeah just short-term rental piece yeah um so for okay accessory dwelling unit um we'll talk about that and that's
uh so we just I just have one thing that I want to decide on the accessory uh uh dwelling um Amendment so Michael you can share that now okay because that's where we're going to spend most of the rest of the time on it yep give me half a
second uh sorry I thought it was open but it's not um maybe that hold on I've got it open if uh yeah actually I think I got it you got it okay um yeah I'll just do it
from what you shared well no if you got it go for it I'm G have to looking for the here it is use okay you got I got it yeah okay um sorry for the delay that's all right
[Music] we need to decide have a have a distance um maximum distance for any new detach structures yeah I think there's a couple other
small things but you want to do the high level stuff well that's one thing that we need to definitely so you you've got 100 feet in there yeah so original okay that's that's currently it's 75 um when Jeff
Lacy originally reviewed stuff and sent it out to us as well as you know Conway and stuff he suggest is going to 100 so we've discussed 100 and it seemed like we were in agreement about a 100 but then you sort of raised the question about should we have anything at all so
I think that's sort of the question at hand um and I thought for some reason I thought that the uh the latest draft or whatever didn't have any like it was well yeah so um is it does anyone um
object to having 100 feet does anyone think we should not restrict it or think we you know should keep 75 or whatever we have now fine with 100 okay what's what can somebody articulate the
rationale it's a it's a maximum of 100 feet is that right yeah I I think I mean be can probably speak to it because he's got the historical perspective but I think the idea was if you're going to build an accessory a separate you know
because you can have an accessory within the structure if you had a separate um structure that was the Adu that you wanted to have it with some proximity to the primary dwelling unit um so that you know if you're on a big acre you're not I mean there are practical considerations you still have to have
septic and water electricity so you know I'm guessing people are going to want to save money and not run huge lines of anything um back into the woods but and and driveways yeah so in that regard I think there's practical realities and it would but that my senses historically
was like can you similar to open space design where we're trying not to sort of cut down things that don't have to be cut down and great micr sprl um that this would be sort of consolidating Ni did I get that right
yeah and I I I would say um you know some of the Lots go way back um you you'd have I mean you can have a house that's 100 feet from the road but but you don't they might have property that goes back 1,000 ft or
2,000 ft and you don't want him putting it in the um Forest Conservation District especially all right yeah real reasonable yeah I I
think 100 Feet's fine um is is there a provision um I assume with most of the stuff we do there's a provision for them to get a special to to get a waiver or a special permit if they needed for some exceptional reason that the way their
lot was configured or uh that if there was a need to go 150 ft that we could review that or is this a hard and fast well currently they can do this by
right so they don't need approve so the question I uh this would be my guess if they wanted to do something that was 150 ft it' probably trigger a special permit I don't know what the like I don't know if you know
Deacon or Nathan might know better like automatically if they want to do something that's not by right does that mean that it has to be a special permit um I guess we could be proactive and you know put something in there that says any anything not complying with the
section would require a special permit I don't but I don't know if that's necessary or not yeah you know that's uh that's a good point um you know if it if uh you know you could get a variance
um if it was related to the uh the shape of the lot or uh you know there so if if it meets the criteria for granting a variance you could do that um
there may be other kind of general that would be a zba deal yes yes it would um but if you wanted to do it for a reason that didn't uh wasn't there for a variance I mean we could put that in
um I'm not overly worried about it to be honest um but uh I we could have it as a um a question for Donna and uh you know if we get a good answer on
it we can we can make that tweak uh after a public hearing I think Nathan this version maybe doesn't have the hundred because we edited it out but I'm I'll just make a note here to put it back in because I have the language from the other
versions We Looked at oh um okay okay I'm just looking for it I don't see it so I can just double check um okay I saw 100 foot reference somewhere in here is is scrolling somewhere a little lower
lower oh you just you just went past it what number is or letter is oh yeah there it is there it is yeah got it yeah ohol great okay makes me feel better okay cool and now Michael uh while
you're at it you're going to put the uh the as update back in if we're going to do it with 100 feet uh as of whatever as within with within a garage or barn or other accessory structure as of uh the date of town meeting
right well you know so uh April 20 is April 20 26 26 yeah yeah okay that's fine okay perfect um so just to do the high level
stuff I wanted to cover um you this is almost uh entirely the same is everything we've been looking at for the last several months right uh it's only the green the green is the only new stuff yeah um
everything else is the same right and we took and we took out we took out the any mentioned about the short-term rentals that was that was an Omission but that was new language anyway
um so the what's this yeah 4.2 d uh 4.2 D2 B1 um so this is a section of the B deals with uh dimensional requirements for accessory
units and then there's the the other kind of section is uh you know 6.1 and 6.2 and uh the I think that without um making certain these certain changes to these sections those two sections were going
to conflict right because initially we are just referencing uh 6.1 and 6.2 and that deals with the non-conforming structures and uh this section 4.2 D2 says you know you can't uh any accessory structures need to comply with
setbacks and section 6.1 says that you know this has to you know comply with other rules and regulations including in this byla right so they you know they kind of just um made it somewhat uh contradictory but I
think I think this takes care of it you know it'll be it's with Donna to look at and we'll be able to incorporate any feedback from Donna either you know in the public hearing or even after it we can incorporate uh a legal review
so I think that sums it up um so now what we need to do is just uh I don't know if does anyone want to look at the um tiny House's Amendment or yes yeah I'll get it up in a second
here tiny houses I'm on Zoom for Town my computer is slower than every other way yeah okay I've got it up Michael I can uh oh it's are you I can request sharing Michael if you
want um are you there yeah I'm not in it um here you go here we go guys see it not yet are you sharing too Michael yeah oh
I beat you to it we're can always share one time so whoever showed up you seeing it yet yep okay oh I had a I did have a question I noticed because I was Nathan what I ended up
doing earlier today was I updated the use table so it looked like you had wanted you know with the grid MH so all of these are site plan review by the zba the question I have for the group which I noticed is that um we're allowing it
by site plan review in rural residential um FC and Town Center but I don't know if it was my Omission or if we decided I don't know what we decided about Leola for tiny houses did we make a decision and I just didn't capture it or did we
Punt and we haven't discussed it I don't can't can't remember oh you're going to put tiny tiny houses in the use table yeah you have to that was the idea was creating it a separate use okay I guess we don't have to I guess we
could just Define it as a it just has to be defined as a dwelling um I guess we don't have to put it in there um yeah it's a good question actually anyone have an opinion I have a couple of typos
[Laughter] by by defining it as a separate dwelling is is it a way to underline the fact that this dwelling can be uh 400 square feet or less and there a separate
category than a uh Adu well that was that was the whole idea of creating so just a little backstory you know I sent this to furog to The woman there who's sort of the planning expert and she came back and said said you don't even have
to do this because now that it's in the State Building Code it's already covered and what I wrote back and I talked to Nathan and my experience is for people who live in this world whether it's planning or not you know when I was at school committee they said the same thing you
don't have to say that because you know it's start part of State policy no one looks at State policy and especially this one you can't barely find this one so what I the reason I think we should have it is we're not creating anything new but
we're making it upfront and Center for people so that if they actually want to consider it they can find it they can easily know what it is um and you know what the requirements are and the way it plays out I think this is the the bottom
part here is this is the black is the definition that is in the state um building code at this point and I added the red basically to say it's consistent with the specifications of the building code and unless otherwise defined by the
building code this is what it is so if the state all of a sudden in two five 10 years changes the definition the state is going to um rule on this you know it's going to override whatever we have but it's a way of someone easily going
to and saying oh this is what that is and to Robert your point um you know the definition is very clear of what it is it's 400 square feet etc etc um so the definitions I think is important
um most of this is just sort of restating some stuff that's already there um you know like d& are things that or more shoots very specific and I guess the use table it's not a different use in the
sense that it's a dwelling um you know but in the used T we have a single family dwelling we have a multip multiple family dwelling so this seems like and we have an Adu so all of those are already uses residential uses it seems like it would be make sense to have this be another kind of residential
use um I don't think it hurts anything just clarifies so that was that was my thinking just making a clar a clarifying document for anyone in town who wants to go there yeah I think that Clarity is really important
all right Michael say what you want the typos yeah what you want me um C tiny home should be tiny house oh yes thank you then and then D
you probably want to capitalize house got spell house right first okay anything else no oh I like that make my day
Deacon okay do I stop sharing uh I just have one comment um I I think uh it's clear from our definition if a tiny house is built on a movable
trailer and that movable trailer is attached to a fixed Foundation it is acceptable yes so like someone could take something that was originally designed to be movable as long as it's permanent and on a foundation that it
would be acceptable yeah so it can't be these things um and so the question would be um you know like a camper or something you know so that that has
wheels um or your traditional Mo you know mobile home kind of thing if it has wheels it have to be out of permanent structure yeah which is the interesting part of the Nantucket bylaw definition which starts
out it's a a tiny home is built on a movable trailer which most of them have been but attached to a fixed foundation so the the um way it's built can be the usual
way but that has to be attached to a fixed Foundation what is that is that is that covered on what we have or no yeah so it has to be on a and again this is all state state regs at this point in terms of what the definition is
but I I'll just read you the definition rather than put it back up again but um if I can get to it um the definition is a tiny house is a detached structure containing a dwelling unit with a
maximum of 400 square feet of habitable living space excluding loss etc etc um at no more than 15 ft in height that is connected to electricity water scepter or septic and on a fixed Foundation intend intended for residential use so
the requirement is that it regardless of how it was originally designed it has to be attach attached to a fixed Foundation um so I guess hypothetically someone could come in with a you know a mobile home with wheels put
it on a foundation but it has to be connected to all the other stuff so I'm hardpressed to think someone's going to you know they might swap it out for something at some point but you know if you're going to put in septic electric and water connected this thing on a foundation it's it's not like they're
rolling in for you know six months and rolling out which is I think what people were trying to avoid and you know I wanted to clarify one thing you know earlier when we were talking about short-term rentals Michael I think you mentioned uh
manufactured homes and yeah those are not currently permitted in the bylaw or in any of these amendments you've Ed a definition for modular homes yes no so hold on let me get there it's
it gets confusing um that's for sure it's confusing it is confusing so the old the old language used to be mobile homes and
mobile home language is out and goodness I keep losing my files here it's crazy um okay here we go so the definition it's a modular dwelling unit um is a predesigned
dwelling unit assembled and equipped with internal Plumbing electrical similar Systems Prior to movement to the site where such development unit is a fixed to a foundation and connected to external Utilities in any portable structure with walls of floor roof designed or us as a dra unit trans
portable in one or more sections and it fixed to the foundation so I think it's a it's one it's a modular dwelling unit supposed to a manufactured dwelling unit but this is the language that the state had um so and but yeah but this is
uh when you you know like the whole mobile homes you know out thing like mobile homes turned into manufactured homes yeah yeah just you know it's it's just worth clarifying because it's uh it's confusing and I kind of tell you what the difference is between a a
modular home and a manufactured home I mean I think a modular home is more like a what you think of as a proper home it's just built in sections in a fa in a factory and moved on site instead of being built on site where a manufactured home is I think you know it's not so
much a mobile home you know there's all these different you know there's different standards now but I think it's I know it's more it's more like a trailer I think I think you can move it on a trailer it doesn't have to be you know you can like move it on a trailer and set it down somewhere and kind of set it up and it doesn't have to be
necessarily a fix to a a foundation per se maybe um but you know I guess I just wanted to clear up any confusion about that um you know if for what it's worth yeah I think
that there is confus and I think that's exactly right um I think the short version is mobile homes became manufactured homes and what the difference between those two is beyond us and fock just sent out a whole thing that says uh you know to the region that
says we should consider allowing manufactured homes uh you know and the bylaws and everything like that but uh right now that's not up for discussion so we don't have to talk about it anymore next what we do need to talk about is just the last thing with bylaws
is just the mechanics now I think unless anyone else has anything any questions concerns uh you know we will have an opportunity to make you know some minor edits and tweaks to it um after we have a public
hearing um but right now we're we're going to more or less finalize these these two drafts that we've seen and uh you know technically we'll submit them to the select board uh but we're also going to talk about
setting a public hearing date um so Nathan looking at the calendar if if we're to you know I think our next meeting would be a little bit too I mean we could do it but it seems a
little tight um we could do it on the 14th which is our regular our next regular meeting um and we could write report yeah I know uh if if the the hearing it's okay for the hearing to be
kind of close I guess um if there was any changes after the typically we put the entire draft of the bot changes on the warrant for zoning
yeah is that I don't know if that's uh is that required by law um I think it's a covering orass I don't know if it's actually um it's you know what the AG when the AG told us
that you know when they rejected our solar bylaw and we didn't include the map they said it was because the voters didn't know what they were voting for because we didn't have the map yeah so I think by having the full text in the warrant there's no way that a voter would not know what they were voting for
because it would be on the warrant that they supposedly were voting for or against okay so when does the when does the select board finalize the warrant uh I think it's like 14 I mean legally I think it's 14 days before town
meeting which um would be the 12th you know they're not going to do it on a Saturday so you figure like the 11th um and we haven't mailed I don't think we've mailed out hard
copy in a while um but maybe we will if not it's got to get posted um but if we did a if we did the hearing and we maybe had our regular meeting on the 7th as opposed to the 14th we could definitely get them I'm guessing my my hunch is that
they would finalize the warrant on the 8th which you know unless they had a special meeting but the eth is a Tuesday that that'd be my hunch okay oh hey why am I talking Melissa's here I did that did occur to
me Melissa are you there yes when we needed her she wasn't here Melissa all right well you know um I mean that sounded pretty uh pretty good to me Michael um
you know unless we go for uh like March 31st or something which I don't know if we can do March 31st in terms of noticing the hearing oh right right because it's already the uh
10th yeah and you know you know what though I'm you know if if putting the language up there is kind of a cautionary thing I think we can probably uh you know you know if the warrant's already
done by the time we put stuff up there we'll get stuff up uh stuff to the select board before you know the hearing just so they have it if they need it and then um you know if we have tweaks we can explain that [Music] um we can figure it out yeah what I was
going to say if for all if everyone's good with it is based on this conversation tonight what I would send to to um Town Administrator Town Clerk and the select board is the three amendments that we're we're suggesting
with the language we discussed so there's tiny houses there's adus and then there's the very simple um deleting section article seven which is the growth one so I can send it to them so they'll have it now R told me they'll start thinking
about um all the W articles soon so my guess is if they have it in the hopper you know if you remember we have to send it to them they don't do anything with it but then they've got notified so if they have it this week that should be sufficient and I'm assuming any changes that we
make after the hearing will not be huge so it should be easy to make um you know in a Word document get to them by the next day oh yeah yeah yeah okay um one thing I would say too
is if if we do need to make huge changes it can always be on the town meeting floor [Music] yeah and I'll just start I'll just start my plugs Nathan won't be there so if anyone wants to come up front and sand
with me as I describe these things welcome to company yeah that's uh I've been meaning to mention that there everyone so I'm glad you brought it up my uh my regrets but I have have a you know good friend
uh getting married and asked me to do the honors of officiating their wedding so I I will not be around shutesbury on April 26 is that because of your experience as
a planning board head it is they they tuned to one of the meetings here they were just blown away that's what I was thinking than um okay so I'd like to hear uh a motion
that um will refer these uh amendments uh as discussed um this evening to the select board uh for that procedural
step and that we will uh take action to post public legal notice for a a public hearing on these uh amendments for what was it April 7th o' April o' at
uh 7 o'clock so moved seconded any any last minute discussion call the rooll Raymond hi hoft hi Weston hi de Cara hi honor hi and I'm
an all right great it's good that's uh important aspect of tonight's meeting uh all set so um excellent thanks everyone uh Nathan could you repeat that
date again what what date was that April 7th April 7th so um we're gonna meet on April 7th that's right okay great no trips to the Midwest Jeff
and there was also a meeting on April 14th or oh no hopefully not Robert hopefully not everyone behaves now you know um we might need to do a an off cycle meeting here to
because obviously it's been a little crazy and you know agenda items have kind of uh G on and you know we could we could use a an off cycle meeting just to catch up on some paperwork but uh I don't know I
think well yeah I mean because you know right now it's already 823 and we have two special permit decisions uh we're looking at right now so uh if not uh if not on the 14th then possibly
possibly before but let's uh cross that bridge when we get there next on our agenda we're going to do the geese special permit decision right thank you Michael you're welcome anything you want to focus on in
particular he drafted this right yeah and the so the first start off with the highlighted part the uh so the version of the the zoning uh bylaw that I have which I took off the town
website uh the latest version is that as amended June 12th 2021 and I just highlighted that to confirm that what is post on the town website is the most recent
version we've got a new version I think that went up this week that uh Matteo and El fer and Grace worked on did he put up did he put up the new version Michael I'm pretty sure I I got a I didn't look on the website but I got a
whole bunch of emails saying that it was up so I can look right now um but they the the challenge with this stuff is
um see no he didn't H weird you know I think um so you know I reached out to to Grayson and Matteo on this and uh and
Michael for that matter but um race kind of came back and said hey you know I had an issue with my computer a few years back some stuff got wiped or or whatever and you know something happened with the bylaw version that's in word and all the formatting got all wonky or or something
like that um and then uh you know some time went by and you know Mato kind of came back and said hey I've got this word document version of it and you know we can uh you I've made some adjustments based on the most recent meetings and we we had a little bit of back and forth
uh just to get it right and then he said okay now go ahead and and work on the formatting because there were some formatting issues with the document in terms of uh you know where all the headings were and you know kind of that technical formatting stuff and uh I
haven't heard anything from it since but uh long story short uh it's in the works if it hasn't already been done and uh obviously that'll be good to have a current version of the bylaw on our website yeah and I guess it comes so the
language actually before I mov down under findings where it says uh blah blah after visiting the site and I've got in parenthesis Murphy deck go no no no go back go back down Murphy de and Hasty I think did Tom go out with you Michael yeah yeah so we need to add
Tom's uh Murphy deer sefort and Hasty ox comma yeah thank you I I don't know what it is but I know I can do it um the one of my few real pet peeves um and then all right so scroll
down so the the I guess the reason I wanted to be confident is the version of the bylaw we're we're citing is that I think wasn't there some language under these um criteria that changed from one version to another oh yeah we should so yeah so
they got approved in I mean it was the 2024 so last town meeting they got approved by town meeting and the AG supported them so it was all prior so it should be the 2024 version of the bylaws for that very
reason okay so then we need to change that highlighted to the latest because I this is the language that you had sent me Michael which I I didn't have access to so yeah and I worked off of that let me just see what the date is I'm sorry
uh you can just say town of well yeah 18 there we go well yeah a it's it's April April 2024 we can say yeah Co April 27th thank you team workk
yeah we got get a Word document out to everyone because it's could be nice to have um going to stay in the general findings yeah I mean that was just cut and paste out of what you sent I think so
um scroll down there was one other thing where was it that I typed in the votes I was I was unsure what that that previous meeting was yeah that uh the votes obviously yeah I was a little bit premature there um because I think is
tonight the actual vote yeah yeah okay so we can modify that as necessary have it we do right are we only missing uh Stephen at this point yeah for full membership
yeah okay then the the the tonight the date uh under the votes well yeah that one too uh oh here okay wait one more all the way at the bottom that highlighted should be
2025 got it or 2024 I'm sorry right when the uh oh 24 right I got yeah thank you all right the rest is up to you guys hey does anyone anyone else look at this or have anything they want to add to it my eyesight's failing me a little I
can't tell if my name is spelled right or wrong it's supposed to be ar oh no let's say your eyesight is good Deacon yeah sorry Deacon that's on me it's a really it happens all the time
mine's [Laughter] right I you know this one seems very straightforward I'm I'm yeah personally content with just sort of confirming that the the
findings were compliant um but if anyone wants to go through any of these you we could uh the condition uh we might um modify the language of the condition to kind of uh make it a little bit more firm something like
uh you know the applicant must uh you know obtain any uh obtain necessary approvals uh from the Conservation Commission U prior to um beginning work on the project um
violation of the uh shoy Wetlands uh protection bylaw um would uh be considered uh you know so constitute a violation of this permit so you think this right here
doesn't suffice no it says it's uh I don't think we're allowed oh yeah you know what yeah yeah no I I missed that um yeah I got stuck on the box up above
and I didn't realize that that was so that's my bad yeah no that's good actually y that's uh that's exactly what I want to see so perfect all right um anything else all right let's uh that's de is
there stuff that you usually put in like I mean everything has to get filed so hypothetically we'll find out about it um is there is there any other things that usually get put in there for conditions if it's a straightforward kind of thing I I think this covers it
cool yeah yeah okay um and uh I think you know I think uh we we cause it to be uh recorded right in the registry of deeds for a special permit and then you know they they the
applicant files it I think well I mean we don't have to figure that out now but uh I think for a special permit I don't know I thought that we did too but there was something I was reading uh that I thought said
that we had to do it um and that the applicant would would pay the fee but that we would do it we need the case number right Mato can do that um yeah Mato can uh well we we have a
case number right do you know what it is I [Music] can you know it was in the minutes why don't we just I mean we can just give it to Matteo he can fill in
yeah no I know but we we'll just uh it says uh oh that's the serious all right you know I uh yeah we'll we'll give it to Matel I thought I thought I thought we had it there but it doesn't look like it so
okay um all right I'll call let's let's hear a uh a motion I'll move to approve the special permit for Peter geese
um for the project uh let's see what's the address at 29 Highland Drive walk 06482 page 205 um I think that's all we need
right I think so all right I'll second thank you any uh further discussion I'll uh check in with Mato and I'll go in and
sign this thing Thursday all right um I'll call the role Raymond hi PFT was that I muted hi that's no okay um Weston hi excellent
DEA hi um boner hi and I'm an i and that does it that's good that's good to wrap that up thank you everyone
was uh somebody Michael are you g to update the vote section okay yeah we second Ash second it right yeah okay um serious uh special permit
decision after our last meeting we didn't uh figure out who is going to take a stab at it but I don't know if anyone's uh hello Linda um now say hello I did say hello m is
out maybe should see you to that like isn't do good so this uh you know I don't necessarily expect that we're going to be able to more or less come up with a uh a
decision right here but we should at least start to uh discuss some of uh you know what we what we have with this I mean you know has anyone spent a substantial amount of time reviewing uh everything for
this well I had an i aidea that I shared with Nathan about it in just terms of I mean I think there's you know just to Briefly summarize on the one hand the applicant was saying that you know the
new installation they were pretty confident would not make noise and then the butters Bo concerned that they experienced noise at the previous one and wanted to have some assurances that if we approve this one it wouldn't be the same kind of noise and so I mean my
thinking was since we can't really model it before it gets built the question is creating a mechanism in the conditions whereby if it makes unreasonable noise that
operations have to cease so it's like go ahead build it if everything plays out the way expectations are and it's quiet no one complains and everything's good um so you know I looked at the the state noise pollution definition um which is
with D um has three parts to it it says noise pollution is defined as causing a nuisance that's the first one being interest or to be on the basis of current information potentially interest to human or animal life to vegetation or
property and then C is unreasonably interfere with the comfortable enjoyment of life or property or the conductive business so I think those those three things sort of address what the abuts had talked about
um you know there's a DP noise policy which is one layer down from the regulation and that has a a noise Broadband level of more than 10 DB above ambient or produces a peer tone condition which I think is
more technical than um we would want so what I what I was thinking is that um we could approve it and then write in something what I suggested was that
um where was my suggestion go um if a resident you know probably in a butter um reports at least twice over a two-month period but no more frequently than once a week to the sh police police report of Health that noise generated by the turbine does not comply with theep
noise regulation uh 99- 00001 um and the sound can be defined as noise pollution per 310 CMR 7.10 which is the um regulation the owner Andor operator will suspend operation of the turbine
turbine until modifications are made to the satisfaction of the regulation as determined by the Board of Health or DPA uh D at the board of Health's request so it's basically tying it to the noise pollution definition of the state and
locally either you know the triggering event is we can talk about like you know how many reports and how frequently I thought you know we don't want to create a thing where every week someone's calling in and complaining um but you want to have some kind of consistency so it seemed like it could be seasonal and
temperature-wise you know there could be variations so there could be one reason where it's really you know the conditions are such that you hear the noise and then maybe the next week it's fine um but then it pops up again and you know the idea would be if there's
some regularity one could assume that it's an ongoing noise if it happens one month and doesn't happen for another three or four months you know I don't think that falls into noise pollution it's it's more the the regular constant
state so that was my thinking about it yeah I'm sorry I was going to say I have a question is it possible to um stop the road I assume it's possible to stop the rotation from down below you you you somehow press a button and it stops the
uh the blade from rotating I don't know if that's possible or not setting up these wind turbines uh uh I just Rick just told me yes that is possible it has a furling mechanism you just crank it down and it shuts it
down okay thank you I think my thinking behind this sorry I was just wanted to finish up Jeff was that this way we don't put the brakes on the project you know they've already had you know a decade plus of
DeLay So it's clear that they would like to get under the wire with National Grid so if we can approve it but at the same time give a Butters the ability to say if this in fact turns out to be noisy that there's a way of suspending it um so it seems like that sort of feds the
needle a little bit yeah I I was thinking of uh you know having a a condition um at the very least that you'd be able to uh uh turn turn the thing off um which
we just heard you could um you know something potentially further would be to uh you know to require that it be done so if uh there's you know substantial wins or something like that but that I think
that's a little bit tough um to do reasonably without creating an undue burden or something like that but um and that might be episodic like of a high wind event might just be everyone knows if it's really really windy um but I
think you know not going to address last time looking at the minutes that they above 12 KW I think it turns off automatically or Winds of 35 miles an hour yeah it turns off at 34 miles an hour it curls itself and at 34 miles an
hour I doubt anyone will hear it with the Wind Through the Trees it's I mean that's pretty much a howling wind for the trees it's much louder than the winter Rick when when the wind changes Direction um and you're talking about
that in the hearing uh when it changes Direction and the uh the the turbine will uh rotate with the direction of the wind what was that motion called okay what happens is it yws with the wind you have a two blade which is what the old
wind turbine was the old wind turbine had quite loud blades to begin with that a very old one uh if you have two blades as it tries to turn it turns too much and the blade hits the wind and it makes a chattering noise and that might be
what they've been talking about nobody does too blades anymore because that chattering also tears up the bearings so the new one has three blades so it doesn't have that level of Y shatter it's much much much less and the old one
has been converted to three blades and it may have been running for a while I'm not sure they noticed it but I'm going to rebuild that one that one's going to be there anyway that one is actually louder than the one we're putting in considerably in fact but it's going to be a lot quieter with the three blades
on it it'll also stop tearing it bearings out so once I get that rebuilt that one will be much quieter and that's the only part I could think of that they heard was the thing turns at about 3 400 RPM it doesn't go chatter chatter w w w
w because it moves so quickly but when it turns into the the wind as the wind changes Direction with the tube L then the chattering noise can sound like that's all I can tell you all right the question I'm trying to get at is
uh if if the thing is furled uh is it still going to have yaw with the change of wind or is that it's furled it doesn't make that noise okay the blades slow way way way down they basically don't rotate
anymore okay so if it's furled it stops making noise if it was really an issue I can always go up the tower and tie the blade down which is what you do if you're going to shut it down for a long period of time you just go up there and you tie the blade to the tower you tie the tail down
and it just sits there it just doesn't do anything it's sort of what I have to do if I have to go up and do maintenance on it is I climb up them and I tie them down it's not one of my favorite things to do but you know it's part of the job so the turbine if it's uh if it's
furled it won't rotate in the wind no it doesn't rotate it'll it'll turn on its axis the blade stops turn it doesn't really make any noise it just sort of sits there it turns on its a what's that it it still turns on its taas it turns on its taas but it doesn't
make any noise and in fact the neighbors said that you know they haven't heard this one since it's broken well the old one which was quite loud that's sitting up there it just doesn't turn because the bearings are shot but it turns on its axis but the blade doesn't spin it's the spinning of the blade that can make
noise p no I was just G I think we're getting confusion between the blades rotating and the unit itself rotating with the wind direction we were but I think that that was uh I think he just clarified it I
think right yeah yeah okay that's that's that's good um like interesting on the picture too looks like I have a dark side and a white side all right so we've got uh some ideas for the uh has anyone to taking notes on
this does anyone want to volunteer to kind of uh put this in writing it for a decision uh Michael you're muted there we go I just put up the geese one because these are all the specific conditions so it might prompt
someone to have a thought because these are all these are all the ones that would have to um be addressed anyway in the writing up that's good I'm just look get this so Rick for number three you said there was a road
that goes up to the tower from yes there is a road that goes up there now okay that's ask me we have to get a big Fran up there to put it up yeah I'm just I'm just thinking about answering these questions so the answer would be yes um
I think five is where we would put some kind of something to say that there's been you know reports that need you know this is whatever we write here would be the basis for the condition it seems like
um it doesn't seem like there's any visual amenties that a problem because it set back into the the parcel um there's no traffic congestion uh and I think the only other thing that would be worth it just getting an affirmative answer is it it doesn't seem
like even though it's electrical there's no unreasonable risk of fire more than anything else it's electrical it's just sitting in the woods being would be like that um it seems like the footprint is such that
there's no real negative impacts to the land around it in terms of these things here right yeah you know the U the concrete pad is already built
if I were I'm not volunteering to write it but if I were to chime in I think it's really just sort of documenting the noise concerns and then putting the some condition in there everything else is you know we can answer affirmatively in regard to everything else it seems like might you s
um yeah so I don't know if you'd put it under General General findings or specific findings right but we we'd say you know uh during the you know the special permit hearing we received testimony from several residents indicating that
they've uh you know EXP experienced unfavorable noise conditions during operation of a a wind turbine that was operated in the past we would we I don't think would we have to put that in the permit or would we just write the conditions to
address would be that would be in the findings yeah so that's part of our findings from our our hearing is that uh abutters have come forward to state that they're about the noise that that that there was a a turbine um operating in
the past that you know they they stated you know creating noise that sounded like uh like mash beside your window right and um you know so they had they you know concerns about you know that
they've they said that due to turbine operation in the past that they experienced a significant amount of disturbance based on the noise created um you know that's that's a finding um and I think that if with that finding
that it establishes the fact that you know if we put in a condition like like for example if we adopted the one I was suggesting that it wouldn't be capricious it was basically based on you know response yeah I I just wasn't sure whether that would go in the permit or that would just be you would reference
the public hearing that that issue was brought up that I think we should put it here because it's sort of this is the document that goes forward no one's going to read the minutes yeah so what we can do is you know we can say
uh you know we we've um I don't know if you want to maybe uh you know make like a sub bullet like a 5A and note uh and note that or you know I guess maybe if uh
you know this this is not an actual draft of this this is actually the Gee's decision here yeah I'm I'm just I'll make a draft right now just so we can edit it based on what you're saying but but you're not volunteering to do it I'm not I was going to
volunteer you Keith did a great job but I don't want to penalize him for doing a great job um and I know your brain works this way Nathan so you know but you're press there there's there's got to be a member of this board that will volunteer to you know um right
uh well well yeah well I'm sorry I just can't do it I just can't do it talk to me in 10 years maybe we'll come back at you [Music]
[Music] um ke would you be willing to do it have to put you on the spot but I am when when do we need it probably by April 7th think does that make sense Nathan oh
yeah um un unless we uh unless we meet before I'll do it I won't be here for the April 7th meeting but I'll I'll have it to you all before then cool and yeah Michael if actually yeah
if you'd send me your language yeah I'll I'll f with this and I'll send it to you that be you're gonna do it I'm happy to set it up we we' got uh Michael
Jeff Tom and Keith myself and Deacon right we only had six people on this so if if Keith is not there and Tom is there and everyone else that's here
today shows up on April 7th will'll be good but if we're short another another person then uh we wouldn't have the sufficient votes well you cross that bridge when you get to it yeah thank you Keith for
volunteering oh was I volunteered or did I volunteer you said I'll do it yeah I I I kind of knew where it was headed thanks for your effort Keith oh yeah well we we'll reward you further at
the end of April uhhuh yeah nice I put in I put in paperwork for an entey ballot I think you should get everyone at the the wedding to vote Nathan I will I'm G to bring a
little clicker system so they can all just push the button and transmit it right to Town Hall do you want so in terms of restating I'll put in the language that I suggested if everyone's cool with that I'll send it to Keith Keith can write it up and then he can send it to us to
review before the April 7th and then we can approve it on April 7th assuming we want to approve it but yeah I think I mean you know is there uh I mean is there anyone that is uh is would oppose approving approving
this okay yeah I mean I I I don't think we need to vote on it now like like we did with the the geese permit I I kind of like to more or less get a decision I don't know it's maybe six1 half do the other but I think you know talking about
getting the decision together and then uh voting makes sense to me so if that's the case you know these last two items uh on the agenda or um Community preservation committee there's an update I
don't excuse me oh I'm sorry yeah Linda I'm not understanding what you're deciding or you standing to deciding to put it off to April 7th and then maybe you're not going to have enough people on April 7th is that I'm not clear what
is being uh what's being decided or what your what well yeah well we we decided you know we we have somebody that is going to um more or less uh write the decision and um and then yeah we would vote on on uh
on April 7th so but you said something about then maybe not having enough people on April 7th does that mean it would go even past that um potentially but I I I anticipate that uh we will have enough people is
there I'll just Linda I'll just say for your comfort level if you I I don't know when you joined in but we have to have a public hearing for bylaw amendments on April 7th and that has to be publicly noticed so there's a high pressure on us
to have enough people who can vote and have a quorum for a public hearing so the if we're going to do that for a public hearing we'll have enough people to vote on this okay it's just I mean from my persp Ed this is the fifth meeting and yeah just uh well one of
them we didn't it was too sort of notice but just our timeline as you well noted is we have some constraints on that so sooner we can do it from our perspective the the better it's going to
be I may uh would you say it might be a good idea for me to go put a deposit down on on a crane while I can still get one this year because that's my my constraint here is that the cranes are all being taken away for all this huge
expansion of the power lines and it's kind of hard to get one and I got to get in line pretty soon so if you guys are feeling very positive about it I'll go and risk you know the deposit on it no decision but you know you give me a
sense Rick I I uh I can't uh make any promises or any kind of uh suggestion as to what you should do with respect to renting a crane I understand uh you know
frustrations um no it's just that if I don't get in line it won't happen is here National Grid stuff will disappear too and then a lot of ways for back to square one so that's why I'm that's why I'm saying I understand if you can't do it just understand that I have to at least ask because you know I'm going to
have to make up my mind what to do about this and it's their money but at the same time it is my job to see to it I don't waste their money so you know I have a huge risk here that I have to figure out what to do it that's all but you know if you can't do it I understand we can't do I just want to note for the
record I'll be there April 7th but I'm abstaining from the serious matter because of uh being on the board right yeah you know I um let's just let's just see um aside from Keith does anyone here know of any uh
potential conflicts that they might have scheduling conflicts for April 7th is everyone else good I can be there but I'm not allowed to vote on this one either right I know that I mean it's you know like obviously Tom is not here and he can't answer for it um but I mean
we've got the Michael Jeff and Deacon all are are nodding that they'll be good for the seventh right so that's uh that's me and then and we just would need uh need to make sure Tom can be there and he's usually available I mean we have no reason to expect that he
won't be able to and I'll tell you if Tom comes back after tonight and says no I can't make April 7th then uh I I'll do what I can to uh to schedule another meeting where we can get a quorum and
review the decision to vote on it either you know shortly before or shortly after all right thank you very much app I mean I understand that you're looking at at um ises here and and I also iterate that of the
um of the of the what is that one uh two and we got we have four people here um that will be voting on this and none of them have express any intent to oppose it that's not to say someone couldn't
change their mind but I I don't get this you know no one has expressed uh has come out and said that they would oppose it thank you very much appreciate we're gonna drop out of your meeting now all right have a good night
you as well thank you um look I I think we're going to skip the uh Community preservations committee and Lake W advisory uh committee I I put those on the agenda primarily out of a
inquiry from from Tom on those um and I can't speak to the you know I do have an update an email I'm gonna probably just forward that to everyone and then um you know I think Tom's interested in the uh elw elw
committee um so something just to kind of think about is is whether or not we may might decide to uh ask the select board to appoint him as the planning board rep for oak or if um if anyone
feels strongly that we should advertise uh to the public on that first before doing so no one does all right well you know that would be uh so that's that's great I don't I don't have any strong feelings about it
make a quick motion about it and get it done um you know I think that we should uh it's been a vac planning board designate for probably a matter of years I think we can wait one
more month and let Tom be here and just make sure he still wants to do it before we do that okay um but I appreciate I appreciate the enthusiasm though we'll get stuff done uh you know for the I have uh updates from uh chairing members and I
just want to note that uh Ashley and uh and Keith have both uh taken out papers uh for for open seats uh one uh so I want to wish them both best of luck
uh in their Endeavors I also want to note that Robert has let us know that he is not going to be seeking reelection and I want to thank Robert for how long have you been on this board Robert I don't know when you first got on you muted you're muted
Robert uh three terms three terms so you know nine years of service so uh you know on behalf of uh the board and uh you know I'm I'm GNA speak on behalf of uh the inhab of shutesbury you know thank you for uh your service on this
board um Robert and you will be missed well I'm grateful to have been with you thank you yeah thank you Robert thank you thank you to Ashley and Keith that's right yes
um okay I think I think that's it so uh I would I would hear a motion to adjourn second who who moved and uh Robert will claim all right Robert
moves take care Michael seconds on U any discussion thank you everyone this is another another long one but uh we did pretty well um I'll call the rooll uh pycraft hi Dara hi Weston
hi Raymond hi boner hi and I'm and I me's adjourned have a wonderful evening everyone thank you Nathan Michel Ashley good luck tomorrow morning thank you I could never I I taught for 37 years I could never be on
the planning board if I was teaching as well so thank you so much Ashley thanks it's all right see y'all later all right good night night