--------- I'm going to resume. All right. Um, so our business today, that was the other thing I was going to pull up. So, we'll call this I don't need grade book. Um,
so, uh, I'll call this meeting of the Shootsberry Elementary School school policy subcommittee to order at sometime around 6:33. Um, wait, I lost all of you. Where'd you all go? Hold on a second. I don't like
not seeing everybody. >> Did you check your view in the right hand corner? You got it? Yeah. >> Yeah, I'm working on it. It's just I don't know. I feel like all of my technology this week has been moving slowly. Oh, Shannon's here. Perfect timing.
>> Perfect timing. >> Yeah, none of your pictures are showing up. >> Did you check the view in the top the top? >> I did. Like you're there. It's just not like when I when I make the screen smaller, it's not um it's not taking your pictures.
>> It's fine. We can make this one. All right. So, um, our first order of 16th, um, which I'll admit I did not actually look at. I looked at the other ones because I created them, but I did not look at these. So, I'm just going to pull it up
quickly. Maybe. Um, yep. I'm good with them. So, Leah, if you're good with them, you can make a move. Oh, don't we have to approve the minutes
from >> Yeah, that's what I was saying. If you're if you if you feel like >> Thank you. >> So, do you want to move to >> make a motion? I make a motion to approve the minutes
from our October 16th meeting. >> All right. Uh I guess I'll second it. All in favor? May you? Jack guy, >> thank you. Um, I find this meeting to be the most awkward meeting ever because it's really just the two of us with any voting power and it's like, okay, why
don't you move and then Well, I mean, obviously we're in the same place. All right, so the policies for review today are uh IH IAMA, which is parental notification relative to sex education. I am, which is teaching about alcohol,
tobacco, and drugs. um IHIBA uh observation of special education programs and uh habib habia the English language learner policies. Um I have no questions on any of these. These all felt to me like they were
pretty boilerplate sort of MASC's. I didn't see anything that was especially like Shootsberry specific that needed to be included in these. Um, >> yeah. And there weren't a lot of changes from their previous ver their previous versions. These were all marked as
reviewed for for uh MAS. >> Yeah. I mean, these are all these are all policies that are kind of bigger and based on other things. So, they're not within our like I feel like that I'm fine with all of those. >> Yeah. Because they are just reviewed.
You don't have to bring them to the committee. We can just mark them as reviewed for our recordkeeping and we'll update our policy books, but they don't have to go back to the committee because there aren't any changes. >> Yep, that works for me. >> Yeah, that works for me, too. I was going to ask like what what was the the
next step? So, thanks for clarifying that. >> Yeah, it's just at the bottom of all of the policies, there's a last reviewed and last, you know, last reviewed and last approved at the bottom of all of them. So, >> and that's what will be updated. But I do need a motion.
>> Oh, do you? >> I move to mark IH A M A, I H A MB, I HBA and IHBA as reviewed. >> I second that and all in favor I
>> Jack I. >> Perfect. >> It is unanimous. >> Um and so for the policies to be added what is our need for these? These are not these are to be added for >> so these are just policies that MASC has
>> that we don't have in our shoots okay >> policy manual so we don't have anything to revise or update we don't have them why we don't have them could just be that we were on an odd cycle and didn't it didn't get caught I don't have any notes that there was a reason we didn't
have them I think it's just um it somehow has lapsed so we don't have any policies. So, you can word smmith them if you choose. You can add them. You can decide, "No, we're not going to add that policy." Um, but we don't have anything to revise. Okay.
>> If that makes sense. >> I'd like to uh It's so strange. The um academic freedom is spelled differently in the uh actual policy document somehow and academic is spelled miss incorrectly. Accede
mic. >> Oh, yeah. >> And this pandmic of academic proportions. Um, >> and it's so funny because this because it's a review, it's a cut and paste. So, this must be wrong on the m wherever Robin got it because she doesn't
>> shocking. Yeah, I would not blame >> and the IHBA just has double numbers which is easy to fix. >> Um, so yeah. Do you have any thoughts? Do you have any thoughts, Leah, on any of these?
>> Um, the only thing is for the school day, I just did a track change. Insure was spelled wrong. It was spelled with an I instead of an E. So, I just um use track changes to make that change. >> Okay,
>> that academic freedom one is interesting. >> Yes, >> I'm sure we have that. I had not realized that was a policy that we had or that not we don't have it but that that exists. >> Yeah. I'm I'm I have no comment about
>> which one is it? >> The academic freedom. >> The academic freedom. >> Oh yeah. Fairness and procedures will be observed both to safeguard legitimate interests of the schools and to exhibit it by appropriate example. The basic objectives of democratic society has set forth in the Constitution of the United
States and the Commonwealth. I have I have no comments. I have lots of questions. Um of like what what does that allow me to do? What does that allow the students to say about me? Like I don't I don't really know. Um >> what does a challenge to this look like? >> Yeah. Yep. I don't know. But
>> I don't want to know. >> Hopefully won't find out either. >> Yeah. Um, I spend a lot of time in my classroom right now. I have ADHD, so oftentimes things come out and then I'm trying to frame them and I'm trying to like and I'm always trying to think about like how could this be taken in a way that I'm not expecting it to be. I'm
just actually stating something I read in the news the other day as an example that goes along with this literature. And I feel like it's always assumed that I'm making some point. I'm like, "No, I just like we're talking about witchcraft and this guy said witch hunt and like like whatever." And that's the lens I'm
seeing that through. Okay. So, there's misspelling. >> Problem with any of these other than some of the the corrections and spelling and all that that you've mentioned. Um the school day and calendar. It's how we do things. And so, it's no >> I mean that's part of our collective bargaining. There's no nothing
earthshattering about that. It's in our collective bargaining that we do that. So, >> we're we're bound anyway to do that. But I don't have any problem with adding them if that's what you choose. No reservations. >> So, I guess that's what I I would ask,
right? Like, so there's no reason we shouldn't add them. If we didn't add like the school day ones, does that doesn't really affect us either, though, right? Like we have a collective bargaining agreement that But >> and that's all. Oh, yeah. School day all it says is of like you have to have a
collective bargaining agreement on that. Um I'm fine with adding them in. Leah, what do you think? Yeah, I'm fine with adding them in as well. So, um I guess I'll make a motion. >> Okay, I will uh second it. All in favor?
May you >> Jackie? >> There we go. Um all right, so that's all of our business for tonight. Our next meeting is December 18th, just prior to the holiday. Um can I get a move to adjurnn?
>> I move to adjourn. >> I second it. All in favor? May you? that guy. >> All right, I'll see you guys in a few minutes. Thank you. Part: 2
Sorry folks, I was having a technical glitch as I was starting here. I'm going to wait a minute or two just to make sure we have everyone here. >> You're frozen. >> Am I frozen now? >> No, you're not. I feel like I feel like
I'm moving. Oh, you're frozen. Sometimes I just stop moving and then I look frozen. See, we got Leah and we got Nate. So I think we still need one more person for quorum too.
>> You have six members on your committee. >> Um >> or five. >> Five. So we just need three. Yes. >> I think three is the quorum. >> Okay. So we do have quorum. All right. Um, well, in the interest of
time, let's uh let's get things rolling. I see Haley's here. I don't see anybody as of yet from the the building committee, buildings committee, but we will see how this goes as we start. Um, so I'm going to call this meeting of the Shootsbury School Committee to order
at 7:04 p.m. Um, the first order of business is public hearings. We do have a few members of the public here. Does anybody want to
make comments to start off the meeting? Okay. So, uh, hearing none, we're going to move on to the, um, review of the agenda and perpetual calendar. I'll let you all review the agenda at your own convenience. Um, in
terms of the perpetual calendar, um, we will be talking about initial budget stuff, uh, this tonight with Caitlyn. Um, we're supposed to be finalizing and submitting capital needs to the town committee according to uh last year's draft of the calendar. Um, school
council is continuing to work with a school improvement plan. Um, I know that there just was a four town meeting um that is on this list as well and um the union budget is also um being presented
and discussed at this current time. Is there anything else that should be added on to that that I have missed? Okay. Um, so I don't Okay, program approval of the minutes is after uh warrants tonight. So
let's go to warrants. >> All right. So I have four warrants. Two accounts payable. uh 1017 from November 13th for $25,18147 and 1018 from November 27th for $42,2689. There are two payroll warrants. 309 from
October 27th for $93,1255 and 310 from November 10th uh for $90,174.79. I believe there was a gift on the agenda. Um, is Ann here to talk more about that or I
can just ask for approval of the >> Sure. >> Sure. We have a um fellow who's local, you might know him, John Zeb, and he would like to um continue to donate and a gift annually to students to encourage
them to go and enjoy the quabin as he did so for many years as a child. So, uh, we ended up using the funds last year to go to a it was I think it was $500 to cover the buses for the students to go watch the um trout fish that be
launched at the um at the quin. So, we were able to take first graders and um kindergarteners and then we had some money left over and um Laura had reached out and said, "Do you want the change?" And he said, "No, you can take it on another trip." and he was so like
enthusiastic about how honest everybody was and he got some great messages from the students about um what a great trip that was. Um so he would like to continue that every year and to give us $5,000 earmarked for the um for the kids to Quabin program that we're going to be
starting. So >> that's awesome. >> Yeah. >> Um might be cool to go down and watch watch the eagle count or something too. I mean, there's a lot of stuff that we probably could do with that >> as long as it's not the same time as they release the fish because the kids >> No, it's not. It's not. It's when it's
iced over, usually. Um, but yeah. No, I'm just that there's a lot of interesting activities that we could that could probably be, you know, um, encouraged with that. So, so we just have to vote to accept it. Is that correct? Okay. So, uh, we need a movement,
a motion. >> All right. Second. >> Thank you. Uh so all in favor Mayu I >> Monopai. >> Jack I heard I.
>> All right it's unanimous. >> So we also have a couple of grants to receive. The rural aid for $63,88.88. The Shootsbury 240 grant. the IDA, Individuals with Disabilities and Education Act, uh for $47,9
and the 262 grant, which is IDA but early childhood for $2,656. >> All right. So, we need to vote to accept these as well, folks. >> I move to accept the grants. >> Thank you, Anna.
>> I second that. >> Thank you, Nate. All in favor? Mayui, >> I do I >> heard I. >> Perfect. It's unanimous. So, uh, moving on, we have the approval of minutes from October 16th, 2025. I hope somebody
looked them over well because once again, I had to create them. Um, so we'll need uh if >> I move to approve the minutes. >> Thank you. I second that. >> All right. All in favor
I >> long I >> heard I sorry >> it's all right. So it is unanimous as well. Okay. So moving on to unfinished business and updates. Uh I did invite the building uh committee here. Frank
had said that he would be attending. Um I do not see him here. I do Haley, you're here somewhere, I think. Yep. Um so I mean I guess the discussion that we talked about and the reason that we had invited the um the buildings committee
was because um Anna had attended a select board meeting where the building committee was airing some of their frustrations around the heating system at the school feeling like they were out of uh that we didn't reach out to them or that it wasn't we weren't
communicating um the nature of things um which of course as an independent committee we're not really the select board and like I mean really the place to come and do that is here and to talk to us about that um but I wish this was happening
separate from ongoing issues with the heating system. Um, I wish that, you know, all of the work that we did to try to uh that we tried to kind of fix last year um was the last word on this and it's not really, but I'll I'll kick it to
you, Nate, to start off with just in terms of the general capital projects and building process stuff that we have going on and the the answers you've got and then we'll move on from there. >> Yeah, there's there's a lot um just uh uh as a timeline um just to kind of put things in
perspective. So, we got uh I believe it was the end of May and received a large um bill. That was kind of the big red flag. It was like a $34,000
um bill. And June 10th, I believe it was June 10th, Ann and I and Haley met to discuss this. And then June 15th we had a
inspection which we were able to get Steven Dalamus on board. So that's a two week period between the time that we found out about the major issue and getting the
buildings committee involved. Um, so just to put that in perspective, um, I'd like to talk about, um, you know, I went to the, uh, the capital plannings committee. I gave them kind of
a rough idea of what we were looking at. Um, we're going to put in a request for a tractor, a new tractor. Um, but we were also looking at that $24,000 for sidewalk repair. Um, originally we
had kind of thought that that money could be used to deal with the planning of the driveway. Um, but in lie of all the complications of the oil tank. Um
and there is a section where the preschool uh is entering and exiting um school that is really torn up. There's a bike rack that's really torn up. I shared these f photos um with the capital planning committee and we all
kind of agreed that that money should be spent um as it was intended which is to repair the sidewalk. Um, so I need help. Uh, I reached out to Haley. Um, we need
to find someone to, uh, do that repair in a reasonable way. Um, cost-effective and in a smart way rather than kind of peacemealing it. Um, and so we need to find somebody um, and somehow
to to do that to jumpstart that. Um I also reached out to like to Furkcog to talk about the larger um driveway issues. Um so we and they recommended we
um reach out to an engineering firm. Um an engineering firm can give us all the kind of um that's the information we need before even getting a bid the three bids that are required for the capital planning um thing. So we need assistance
um from the town town of from Haley from whoever we can to find a a good reliable engineering firm and that um to kind of get this moving. I'm I'm sorry that Frank's not here
because I feel like the oil tank is a major issue with that. Um, and understanding the the lifespan of that oil tank and whether that's going to be taken out and is going to be part of the new
driveway. There's also the issue of a um 30,000 gallon um water tank that the fire department needs to install. That needs to be done
before any paving um is uh is done. that's uh I think they have the money set aside for that, but we need like coordinating all these departments um and getting everybody on the same
page and working together and that's kind of a little bit beyond my capabilities. Um so >> coordination on finding the funding, coordination on organizing this this project, the parking lot, oil tank,
water tank that requires multiple departments to be on board with timeline and coordination. Like that's beyond the scope of of us and so we need help with that. Um, I think Nate, correct me if
I'm wrong, and Ann, the last time we met around or the last time I was with you that we met um around the the oil tank, wasn't what we were told sort of that like the underground tank, a tank that big and an underground tank is not what they like to do anymore? That really we kind of brainstormed the idea of putting
a new tank over where the sheds are. Um because what they really want is an outside of the building above ground tank uh for oil. Now, um so it is possible. I mean, the removal of the tank in the driveway and the reinstallation of a tank won't
necessarily be an oil tank going back into the ground under the parking lot. In fact, hopefully it won't be, >> right? And they also explained it's that journey that the oil has to go in from under underground where um you know, it has to get pumped up and go into the room.
All those pipes are really um they're original to the to the system. that makes it a struggle. And that was where the water was getting in and we were having those issues with it clogging the the components that the oil would go into then go into the machine off of.
So, I'm not explaining this well. Sorry. I >> But that was the recommendation that we did a smaller tank that was outside of the a lot closer to where the um the controls are. >> Yeah. Um I guess as part of this
conversation too I mean well I guess we should have this se separate conversation. So the parking lot we need coordination in funding and uh bidding and then organization to get all the departments that need to be involved involved. Um Susie I see your hand and
uh and then I do want to talk as well an about what's been going on with the boiler since we last met. Um go ahead Susie. So, another aspect of it when you talk about engineering is also design because it does sound like I'm not sure the engineer figures out um some of the
changes will happen to the parking lot if the oil tank's not over there. And so, there's, you know, traffic issues and how you make that work better. So, there's a a design element as well as an engineering element and and the better that's done up front, the better it'll
turn out in the end. Absolutely. Absolutely. Like I said, I reached out to the Conway uh school landscaping to try to get um them on board. And that would be another thing is to, you know, I've tried to contact
so many people. I don't know what it is. If it's just me on the phone being like, I'm from the school committee and people are like, yeah, no, I'm not going to talk to that guy. I don't know. Um but nobody's calling me that. It's really difficult. I you know I've heard it with contractors in general right now it's
just hard to get anybody to call back but I think that those two things a landscape architect engineering firm coordinating with the buildings committee on whether that because that could be a $100,000 plus um tank removal
um just to deal with that you know so there's it's a it's a big expense I think in the capital planning we kind of threw around a $300,000 if you're including the oil tank um thing. So, you know, can be very costly. Um so,
>> well, and it, you know, I guess, yeah, that's the thing, right? If we were just repaving the parking lot as it exists, we could just call up three paving companies and ask them to give us a >> Yeah. a bid. We could fix the side. Are we talking about still fixing the sidewalk just with the money that we have? Yes,
>> that's Yes, that's the >> Have you had anybody Have we had anybody look at that yet and give us a bid on that? >> No. >> Okay. So, we need to get bids for the sidewalk, which might be somewhat within our purview, right? Um,
so Haley, in a second, I'd love to hear like how do we go about doing the uh getting those bids and are there contractors that we're supposed to um reach out to that are have some sort of arrangement with the town? Um, and then
the second thing that we have to figure out is how to fund. and then um process the planning and design for um the removal of the tank and the parking lot. Go ahead, Susie.
>> I I feel like um there has been a past practice and it wouldn't have used the school committee as the driver or designer or um mover of this project. It would be that the school committee would
identify to the town administrator and the buildings committee what issues are at hand, what solutions they're looking for. And then they step back and the building committee, the capital planning committee, and the town administrator
start working out the picture, the the um the details of the picture. the finance committee would be part of it, but they come in after the capital planning committee begins to say what it is. So, I feel like it would be frustrating to be a school committee
member trying to drive this train. And I don't think um if every department had to do it on their own, they'd end up with different um contractors and different things. That's not how it's been in the past. So identifying what you feel the needs are um knowing that
you are representing some of the other things you've heard that'll happen on the grounds like the fire department tank that all gets represented to um the town administrator and the building committee and the capital planning committee. Um it could be changed it
could be looking for something different but that's been the path that people have used in the past. Yeah, that's what the Ferg um expressed to me that that was kind of the thing. >> Um there was also
>> feels like feels like Nate has been doing like a six or seven months of running around trying to get answers and has struggled mightily to get those answers and then at least recently it feels like there's been a little bit of blowback as if we weren't communicating properly. But we've been trying to be
very transparent with the needs that we have and trying to figure out who has these answers. So, um, >> exactly. >> Do you have any insights? >> Sorry, >> I was going to ask Haley if she had insights as the town administrator for us here. >> I can definitely offer a few things and
definitely thanks to Nate and the committee for kind of spearheading this initial step. Um, you know, I I'm still pretty new. Um, so I I don't always have that historical context, but what I can say is I really like working with
committees directly. you know, it's one thing for me to go and talk to the fur poga on your behalf, but it's another thing if I have a connection to somebody on the committee who can be more, you can help inform me so that when I take that next step, I have all the background.
Um, you know, with regard to the building committee, you know, they're not here and I'm not going to speak on their behalf, but one thing that did strike me is I said, well, is there a past practice of do you meet with the school committee? do you meet regularly with, you know, the fire
station, all these different buildings in town? And that didn't really seem to be the case. And that's certainly something I think that we could be more proactive on as a town. And I can certainly take a lead on making sure that happens because if we were regularly meeting, presumably some of this wouldn't have been delayed until
this point. Um, so I just want to make sure I'm understanding this clearly. So you're you're kind of you're set with the sidewalk funding and that you already have it. You're just looking for people to do what is it? Concrete. >> Yes.
>> Okay. So, that I can look up. Um, >> and I have a couple. >> Great. That's awesome. Um, we might want to check in with Matt Foster because he did mention, um, okay, >> that black top might be a better solution than concrete. Um,
>> okay. So, there's a section that goes towards the back of the school that's all black top pavement and then it kind of melds into a concrete that's corroding. So, we might want to talk to Matt to see what is more he has better expertise and experience with that
what's durable, but I can I can get that from him. >> I know one of the issues >> salt eats away at the concrete in a way that it doesn't at the pavement. >> Yeah. >> Does that affect the price then? Like would you be looking at more money for the >> I don't know. Yeah. Okay.
>> We had 20 $24,000 seems like a lot. Like last time we had uh the sidewalk fixed. Uh they spent $9,000 on it. Um so I feel like we have more than enough to do this and even have some set aside to >> jump start the next project if we need
to. And asphalt is usually cheaper than concrete, which is why lots of like Greenfield has been replacing more and more sidewalks with asphalt and just keeping the inner district concrete for that reason. >> Yeah. But right now, what needs to be
repaired is cement is concrete that has been chipped away at. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Um Furkog did mention with the oil tank at least that there are grants available and that there's somebody uh I've reached out to them as well to get more information. there are grants available
for dealing with that oil tank, whether it's removal or replacement. So, we can also look into that for funding. >> Yeah, I think um there might even be some options through our insurance company depending on how it would impact our policy. So, that's something that I
can look at too. Um he could help to do that. Um so with the with the bigger projects you know I think you know the first step is finding the firm because we don't we won't really know how to best coordinate all the
departments if we don't know what the game plan is. Um >> the one of the firms we're working with right now I don't think they do this type of work but I can check um did you do you know if you talked to Laura Phelps at the Furcohog? Is she your contact?
>> Yeah. Yep. That's her. Um, so yeah, so I can go to her actually. Um, am I >> asked? Great. I asked her, I haven't heard back from her. I asked her about like engineering firms, recommending firms and stuff. So hopefully she'll get back to me. >> There's also a small town administrators
network, so they might have some ideas on >> I'm sure this has come up, >> you know, in the past. So, if it sounds okay to you guys, um, you know, I'll work with you on getting the the firm identified so that then I think everything else will fall into place in
terms of progress steps. >> Perfect. >> Okay. Um, I see lots of hands up, Leah, Caitlyn, and I think I saw Shannon, too. >> I did, but I think Caitlyn might I'm I'm I'm hoping Caitlyn's gonna ask the same thing I was asking. So, I put it down
until after she goes. Um and my my question was just around um so is the the removing the oil tank work is that related to like heating and cooling because I did um receive a
recommendation for a potential um contractor uh that's local to Western Mass. It's it's Western Mass Heating and Cooling. Um and it was from another local business. So, um, I I just wanted to offer that up as a another potential
contractor for heating and cooling work. >> I fully support that. >> Yeah, thanks, Leah. >> Yeah, Western Mass Heating and Cooling. Um, the lead guy is Scott. He's really
nice. Um, uh, they're very responsive. I can't say they're the the cheapest organization, but they're they do good work is what I would say. Okay, Kaitlin. >> So, we've worked with for Cog with uh Laura Phelps in the past. They've been
amazing, super helpful. Um, but they are looking for projects right now because soon their deadline is and then they're totally focused on the highway. So, if we want to get a project going for um for the the pavement for the the
driveway, then it would have to be soon and we would have to get a designer out pretty quickly in order to make that happen. But I'm confused about the water tank and the fuel tank. Are those two separate projects that have to happen before the design work for the
>> So, we can be part of the design work. I think the the the concern and the thing that's been holding us up for like three years is that it has to be like we need to get that we only recently I think in the last year really realized that going forward we would not be leaving that oil
tank there and it has to be taken out but we've known all along that when we do the parking lot the fire department wants to come in and put in a water tank for the fire suppression system. So it doesn't have to be part of the only part that has to be part of the
design is knowing where the tanks like that one tank is coming out and going away and we have a plan to replace it and it happens during the season that is most advantageous to that and to know where the water tank is supposed to go so that that can be worked into the plans um that can be worked into the
plans. I'm no expert obviously, but like one thing that appears that comes to my mind right away would be would it be possible to take that tank out and as long as we have that excavation and we've cleaned that excavation, could we then put the water tank in where the oil tank has been and just minimize, you know, excavation and all the rest of it.
Um, but again, that's, you know, design >> $10,000 $10,000 oil tank and a 30,000 gall. That's right. Doesn't work. >> I mean, it's like a it's like a it's like a fire pond kind of thing, you know? It's like a ice skating rink kind of thing in the back.
>> You know, like seriously, >> Shootsbury swimming pool in the summer, >> right? >> So, I think uh reaching out and finding a designer for the project would be the first step. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. And once we have the design, then we can put it out for bid and I
would love to use for as a resource because they've helped us a lot in the past and um we can move forward. So I guess my question is that up to the town or the school to find a designer for the
>> parking lot? >> No, no, I'm happy to take the lead, but all I all I was mainly asking for is if someone can just be like my go-to person. Like if I have a question, what is Yes. So maybe Nate, you and I just should meet a little more regularly. >> Absolutely.
>> I'm here. I'm here for it. >> Awesome. >> Nate's your point person, Haley. But if you have if for some reason you can't reach Nate, it's something time like just I'm also available should you need me. >> Okay. And I'm probably I'm way below Nate, but I'm more involved than
probably the the other members so far in the in the school committee on >> Susie. Um I just wanted to mention that the select board when they did talk to the building committee um began to formulate the idea of having a preferred
vendor list of preferred contractor list. So you could suggest to them that they um consider Western Mass Heating and Cooling, but it it looks like um they want to be the um they want to be
the start. They don't want each department to find their own contractor or their own. So that's why Haley would be the center of those things. And it would be good to suggest Western Mass Heating and Cooling. And if they move the tank and the piping has to get
changed, I'm sure the piping part is going to end up being a contractor like like Western Mass Heating and Cooling. So, there's different parts to this project. It's quite a lot of coordination and um there be different people involved in all parts.
>> And the other thing that we were told uh back at one of the points we were meeting was that you know part of the problem with the tank was that you know Jamrog didn't install it. it predates them. But nowadays, a lot of times the people who fill the tank or the people who install the tank are the people who are responsible for the upkeep and the
checking of the tank. And so that might be a time where we want to make sure that we have our kind of vendors in line. Um, and we know going forward what that responsibility is. Um, so is there I think we're pretty
clear now on sidewalk and on parking lot. Yes, Haley's gonna take the head on that. >> Okay, so then the next thing >> Yeah, thank you so much, Haley. Uh I think and the other >> the other thing that we need to talk about a little bit here and uh you know
even in the absence of the building committee um maybe we could fill in people on what the status uh what's going so for those of us who kind of remember this like last year we took care you know once we figured out that there was water and we figured out how water was getting in the oil tank and we dealt
with that and we dealt with all of the you know jamro coming up repeatedly with multiple people multiple days in a row. um burning through those uh those I always forget what they are, but the jets, the flares, the the the pieces of the boiler that were getting fouled by
the water and the oil. We kind of thought that that and that we kind of fixed things. Um but as the heating system has started up this year, we're now having Well, first off, last meeting we talked about the fact that they didn't drain the water in the inside
tank when they cleaned out the outside tank, so there's still water. So that fouled the nozzles again and now we're having issues with one of the boilers. Um and Ann, maybe you could pick it up from there and kind of tell us what's been going on the last month. >> Sure thing. Um so we originally we had
reached out to Jamro just to remind them that before heating season we were going to need to turn everything on and make sure it was running. And then they had said that well there was a secondary tank that needed to be drained and it wasn't drained when we did the water when we got rid of the water from the
main tank. So which was surprising because they were there when that h was happening and I'm surprised they didn't say anything but um it made us kind of go without heat for quite some time at the beginning of October and I think it's I think it's October 15th or 17th that we have to have the heat on. Is
that right Shannon? Beginning of October. So we were really calling cutting it close on that deadline because we still we didn't want to run the system because we knew that those filters would get clogged if that water with the oil mixed in it was in another
place. So, long story short, um they need still needed to clean that tank out, which they did, and then they we've been playing a kind of a a game of of wait and see with different parts that needed to be ordered. Finally, um Shannon actually called him and spoke
with the with the person that was in charge of it and said he said that he would come in and install it himself, but then it would be another week that he would come to actually um upgrade the system. We were running with just one pump for several weeks. We still are at
a spot right now we don't have um everything up and fully running, but we have it running enough that we're able to um that we're able to heat the building. So, um, currently the air handlers are not working. This is the thing that blows the air and the heat
through the school. It makes a clicking sound and, uh, I talked to Matt about the original company that put it in and it's possible to get a contract with them at $6,000 and they will come and go through the entire system. They're the ones that are in charge of the
controllers for the boilers and they would do a whole diagnostic of everything that was wrong with it. So, I'm hopefully predicting some of these things that keep happening. So, um Matt let Jerro know that the belts and the parts of the air handlers aren't working
right and um there is some damage there. So, again, it's a we're waiting for the response from Jamrog to see if um what's what the next steps are going to be. They said that we're um still waiting for the left boiler for a sensor on the left boiler. the right boiler working
but also waiting for a part and um it's really disappointing and it's and it's really like I've also I have a dock if anybody's not shared on it that wants to be let me know. I've attached the most recent Jamrog bills and it's uh like $1,300 for certain parts of what
they've just done. I mean, it's totally eaten away at our building maintenance supply maintenance line, which is really a healthy line, and it's it's it's really kind of maddening. I mean, I'm sure Nate Nate can also attest to it
that the the process of of all the things that keep going wrong with the system is just it's really um a sad waste of time and effort and energy. So, >> and money. Uh yeah, Anna, I saw and then Nate.
>> Yeah. So I I don't I I it's incomprehensible to me that they can keep charging us money to fix their mistakes. And I don't know how we can fight back to make them actually fix their mistakes on their own dime instead
of charging us for them to fix their mistakes and do the work three or four times that they should do only once. So, what's the next step in be trying to recoup that money? >> It's a good question, Anna.
I mean I think I do want to distinguish >> not all of this is like necessarily mistakes but there is a a pattern of sort of lack of responsibility lack of like smart decision-m that we're a municipality and a school not a
private company that has like money to spend on this that like we have a fixed budget that we can't just be blowing you know we can't just be handing over our maintenance line to Jamrog every year to fix the same things over and over again even if they're not mistakes. like, okay, what's causing this and let's deal
with that or who's the person that's supposed to deal with it if not you and getting that done so that we're not just sending them a monthly check. Um, that's the part that I feel frustrated about. Uh, Nate Susie.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Um, I was there recently, Ann. Um, there was a smell coming out of a Can you talk to that? And then there was also an issue with the misreading of the amount of oil in the tank. I think Matt
said that he had wanted to order 6,000 gallons and it filled it up and they only put in three because there was it wasn't reading right. Can you >> a floater was off. Yes. So that was another thing that they have to look at is the actual internal components of
that oil tank because that wasn't working. It's similar to some of the other issues that we discovered after they took the whole top off of it that there were other issues where there was a subpump that was supposed to be working and that wasn't working. Um, it is really it's to say that it's
frustrating isn't even accurate. There's got to be a better word for how this has been going down. And it's so unfortunate. We have other things that have to get fixed. Like we had um part of the the soundproofing that fell off down off the stage just from wear and tear that we need to look at. and the
main door that goes in and you know people use it hundreds of thousands of times. It's the original door to the building and we looked at just replacing the components. They don't make them anymore. We're going to have to replace the front doors and it just like money that we could be using for that. It just keeps getting eaten up because we can't
open the doors if we don't have the heat. So, sorry. I mean, I will officially get off the soap box, but this has definitely been a a big struggle. >> Okay. Um I think it was No, was it Suz? No, Nate. I don't know where we were at.
I know I said Susie and Nate. I now see Haley. So, um >> my suggestion is to ask, um Haley to talk to the select board about getting the town council to read find out what's been going on and write a letter and
have her um step in to help represent the town in this um in this situation. So, um it would be the select board asking the town council and Haley can go through that process. Um because it does
seem like there is um getting a letter from a lawyer saying these are the issues we see. This is the problem and maybe she comes up with the um solution. I don't know. But I I feel like it shouldn't just be um administrators
tearing their hair out. It should be that there should be a hammer here. And I I think the town should represent this as a legal issue. >> Um Nate and then Haley, I guess. >> I think Haley was first. Haley, go ahead. Go ahead.
>> Yeah. >> Um >> my small screen >> might be a really stupid question, but why are we why do we keep going back to June? >> That's an amazing question. And we have also dove deep, but come to find out there aren't a ton of of companies that
are um that will handle the heating and the like all of the pieces that they handle. And um I think there's a word for that. I want to say Jeremy Monopoly. Is that what's going on? I guess >> well. >> Yeah. The problem that we've talked about is you need to have somebody who
has the wherewithal as a company to come out in emergency situations which of course like just listening to you an and like the fact that you know the guy's going to come install this piece but he can't do it for a week. I don't really less and less seems like that's the case that the you know that we're really on a on a rush here. The parts here but they're going to it's going to be a week
before they can install it. That seems like that kind of >> throws that theory out. But the idea that there's enough people that can respond in a an emergency situation and then also that piece that we've talked about before where and I thought there was some conversation I think initially when you Haley and Nate met and there
was some movement earlier in the at the end of last school year >> with these frustrations of trying to see if there was something else we could do but it doesn't it there really are not a lot of companies that will support um like the whole town. I mean that's really what it is. It's not just our
building, but it's this idea that Jamrog, you know, contracts with Shootsberry, but I also feel like that kind of monopoly doesn't really keep them maybe thinking about things >> competitive >> should. Yeah. >> Um, so Shannon, you said that you spoke with someone at Jamrog.
Who was that person? >> You know, I'd have to look on my notes because that was during I was out at Shootsbury and and Ann was trying to make some calls. I'm like, this is enough. Um, and uh, I do have the not I'll have to look. I just I don't have them handy. I didn't
know that that was going to be needed, but I did write it down. Um, and I I think to the point like why do we keep using them? Trust me, we would love I don't want to say they are very responsive as far as when you call, someone is going to answer you. And that
doesn't happen when you call as Nate talked about trying to get people to even return phone calls. um they are pretty responsive. It just the frustration for me and I don't have the technical expertise around it but it seems to me that for the money we have
spent you know my husband always says nickel and dimming a project right like >> we could have I I don't want you to just keep fixing it right because they come out and they fix it and it's good for a few weeks and then we have another problem even if it's a terrible amount I
want to know what it is so we can stop you know just um doing this like little patchwork projects and what is the root of the problem? What is the plan to fix it? Is are they capable of fixing it? If not, where do we go to get it fixed?
Because the amount of time that an who is not a facility manager is spending trying to navigate this is it's outside of the scope of her job. It's unfair for her to have to do. And I appreciate that
she's dove in and done it. And our our our head um facility person, he's not an engineer. I mean, he we have spent a lot of our budget that is for maintenance for the projects that keep the longevity of a building going and to be good
stewards of that building. we've been siphoning it to fix these project, which means the projects that they're intended for, like we got to paint this room, we've got to fix this, you know, patch this part of the floor, aren't getting done because heat trumps that. Um, and
so we're putting in trying to be good stewards and put in a fair amount of money that is not exorbitant and we just can't predict how much it's going to be. Um, and a lot of those maintenance projects that are true maintenance projects are getting pushed, you know,
the cans getting kicked down the line a little bit and that is going to impact down the line the longevity of the building. So, it's like this vicious cycle. Um, and to have the town be a partner in that would be
really helpful. I mean, we'll certainly do our part, but at this point, it's really getting beyond the scope of what our skill set is, just to be perfectly frank. >> Well, the reason I asked is I think it's worth having a conversation with someone from Jamro before a lawyer sends a
letter >> to just say, look, this is this is it. You know, if there's not some action taken, then we are going to go to that next step. So, if there's a good contact for me, that's all I need. I will look back and forward you who I spoke with. Whether he's the right contact, I can't
tell you, but he was the person in charge. And I don't even remember what my note said about that. It was the number Ann gave me. And Ann was like, I'm going to get back on the phone. And I just said, "No, I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna get on the phone and you go do like principal stuff."
>> It was Jason at Jamrog. >> Oh, there you go. I've got him on speed dial. So, yeah. And I really appreciate that, Shannon, because I think Shannon saved me from a uh >> I didn't feel that that conversation was going to be productive based on where Ann was at that.
>> Yeah. >> Thank you very much. I really appreciate that. You're you're accurate. That's accurate. Y >> All right, finish us out on this topic. >> Yeah. I just uh I just want to second what Shannon said. I really appreciate everything that she just said. Um, and
uh, I want to appreciate Ann's hard work. And that's kind of the idea of getting asking Haley to come to this meeting. I'm trying to get uh, Frank uh, and buildings committee just so you guys can understand what that we've put forth
a really strong effort to try to resolve these on our own. and it's it's bigger than than our committee can handle and we need some assistance. Um, so yeah, and thank you. >> Well, I know I speak for Shannon, too,
when I say we really appreciate all the work that you've done, Nate. Like, you really have been a hero for Shootsbury Elementary School. We've greatly appreciate it for sure because this has not been an easy road. So, thank you so much, honestly. >> You're welcome. >> That means a lot. >> That means a lot. Um, I did want to say
that uh as far as the door, I'm going to put the door uh I think that's around $5,000. That's kind of the cut off for a capital planning. So, I'm putting that door uh on the capital planning >> um request as well. So, >> awesome.
>> We can try to get that. That's probably uh the most used door in all of Shakespeare. So, >> I think so. We got 33 years out of it so far. Yeah, >> the cost is um over $5,000 for all the new hardware and stuff. So, yeah, that's accurate. >> Yeah. Okay, >> that sounds great. Thank you so much.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Thank you, Nate. All right, so I guess uh we can move on from that. Haley, thank you for attending. You don't have to stick around for the rest. You're welcome to, but um >> I appreciate you being here and and and sharing.
>> Yeah. No. Um it sounds horrible. So I can only empathize with everyone and um you know we'll work to ratchet it up and hopefully get some concrete. >> We'll reach out to the business committee again about trying to get them here so that they can we can hear their
concerns and maybe develop a better way at least in the short term of communicating with them. Um but the one thing I I do want you to hear too just as the new administrator because we don't have I mean on this committee I think Anna and I are the longest serving and we're both in our first terms. Uh there's a lot of turnover in the town
obviously in town government and we lose a lot of institutional knowledge which is why it's always nice to have Susie here. Um but I you know we really did reach out to building I mean they really went to building committee went to capital meeting like we have
talked to people as these things came up. Um, and in the end we just talked to finance committee and we tried to shoulder it on our own last year in the hopes that it would be seen as you know us trying to take care of our own stuff and not burdening the town which was already sort of burdened. Um, but you
know now now we're out of we're out of options and we have to figure out how to make these work. >> No, I appreciate that and I think for you know for whatever it's worth when I started here it was really apparent that people are in silos. So, I'm also happy to invite the building committee to meet
with myself and other building owners, um, school included, if that would be helpful. Maybe sometime in December, we could get that going and just make that like a quarterly or something thing so that we're not feeling surprised on any end.
>> Yeah, I like that idea as well. So, thank you very much. Uh, Shannon, what are we going to say? I was actually just gonna say I'm wondering if you want to switch and have Caitlyn go before me because it might be helpful for Haley to hear the budget before she >> and I know listen I know you don't want
to be here. You've had a long day. I get it. So I could go after. >> So yeah, you're gonna stay. Um Kayla's gonna talk. I'm gonna go. Um >> you know, it just might give her a little how we present the budget, a little preview because I'm sure we're gonna be having lots of conversations
around the budget coming into this next year. And so it might be helpful for her to just listen to that piece and she doesn't have to stay for the rest of it certainly and you don't have to it's not I can't direct you to stay but I'm wondering >> Oh no >> no I'd be happy to.
>> All right so then uh let's move on and we'll start with reports and we'll start with uh Caitlyn with the director of finance report. >> Sure. Now I'm gonna um >> scramble a little bit. Actually it says sharing is not turned on.
Um, am I able to share the budget or do you want >> You should be able to Hold on one second. We've ch What? Do we have to change this setting every time we get in here? >> Probably. >> Um, >> I'm not sure. We usually use Google Meet. >> Sorry.
>> Right. I'm going to send you all to a breakout room. Just kidding. Oh, here it is. Okay, I found it. It says that you can share. I'm just going to put multiple participants can share at one time and hope that that fixes it for you. I could also as well if needed.
>> I think it did fix it a little bit. Uh >> weird. Okay. >> It's a little Hang on. Let me see if I can get to the document I want to share. I'm going to start with a budget and
then go from there. But I got to We don't use Zoom very often. Oh, there we go. I think I got it. All right. Do you see the budget? >> Yep. Great. >> Yep.
So this is our level serviced budget, what we have contractually agreed to for any salaries and um what we have right now and what our additional needs are around facilities.
>> So this is going to be a little bit of a a price shock. Um, right now we're at a 6.32% increase and we've realized that is not where we want to land, not what the town can handle. Um,
>> but level serviced, that's where we are right now. >> What were we last year? Just as a point of reference. Three. >> That's a great question. It would Okay, >> it'll take me a minute to answer that if you want me to do that right now. Oh, >> don't worry about it right now. Sorry. >> Okay.
>> It's that column. And then total school funding. So the town appropriation 6.32%. Uh school choice looking to go down a
little bit more because our school choice is at think about 112,000 and we're still overdependent on it. We're we're hoping to close that gap a little bit just a tiny bit every year. $7,000 this year uh for rural aid. Our
rural aid amount came in less uh from what we budgeted to what we were given this year. It's less. >> So we budgeted 75,000. We were given a little over 63. So we'll
have to budget at 63. >> Um early childhood revolving fund stays the same. and other grants. Grants and circuit breaker are circuit breaker we will receive some um and that's why that's gone up but
that's only because our expenditures are also up for administration costs. Uh we have a three-year audit. So every three years we have to do the audit of the end of year report and we're up for that next year which is why that had to be
included. So instead of having it budgeted every year the same we have two years off one year on. So we're able to take it off for two and then come back and we will need to to budget for that audit that audit.
Most of the rest are Union 28 lines, instruction lines. So bigger increases uh office machine maintenance that's a laminator copers postage machine those tend to go up every year and we need to kind of
account for the increases for principal professional expense those are the dues conferences PD like for those and the ones for union 28 and ones we're finding across the board those
dues have increased uh teachers specialist regular ed salaries line 35. The reason why there's a bigger increase is because part of that's grant funded and grants have stayed stagnant or have gone down and so
the operating budget portion of it seems bigger because it's trying it is has to accommodate for all of the increase that doesn't happen in school choice or other grants.
inclusion specialist. We had a an amount that we were spending on a contract. That contract's ended. We've absorbed some money in uh for BCBA services into line uh 39
specialed contracted services, but it still has decreased. um therapeutic services, same thing. Some of that is school choice funded. School choice is going down a little bit, so
the operating budget has to accommodate more of the increase, which is why it seems to go a larger increase than expected. Line 42, PAR educator salaries that has gone down.
Uh we've there's been a reduction of one unfilled para educator position. Uh I think the rest is grant funded at this point. Um professional development line 46 that is
anticipation of losing title grant funding. Line 70 um special ed transportation that's gone up significantly. We have a need for special education transportation. For line 76, school power, it is stayed
the same even though the amount is higher. We're funding an additional 15,000 by rural aid and for building maintenance also an additional 5,000 by rural aid but one of the biggest ones is for line
95 special needs tuition non-public schools we have some funding from circuit breaker and from idea but that is still significant increase. So for the town, for the school, it is the same
same problems. We have revenues that are going away or they're dwindling. They're and we have expenditures that are increasing.
So for title one we are budgeting the same amount for title four and title two those probably will not come in we won't receive those funding
idea grant we have budgeted 47,000 uh for the out of district tuition and then another 2500 for early childhood good for the REAp grant. And this is the one
that I'm a little cautious about because it it is a federally funded rural education assistance. We are still budgeting $18,000. We don't have any direction on whether
we're going to receive that, but I would rather budget as if we're going to receive it. and if we um to take a little bit of the burden off of the town and then if we don't receive it, we will
look at other avenues to to fill that gap instead of trying to add that to the town before we have any um idea whether it's going to be available or not. Circuit breaker out of district tuition to public schools. Circuit breaker is
funny. So the way circuit breaker is you um for any student you have to um spend about $54,000 and then circuit breaker will cover
about 75% of what's over that. So that's a that's tricky because um that changes. It might be 54,000. they may change it completely the next year. We're not really sure. And 75% well they could change that too. We're
really not sure. Um but because it's based on the year previous, so it's based on this year, we're still unsure of what that expense will be for tuition for transportation.
And so this at this moment and we'll have more uh direction next meeting, the meeting after the February meeting and so forth. Um we'll have a better idea of it. This is a very rough ballpark of
what we would be receiving in circuit breaker for next year. For rural aid, uh it has decreased. So, we budgeted $75,000 for this year. We received
I think 60 I think well you approved it earlier in the meeting. I think like $63,000 that has decreased and we will have to decrease that revenue in our budget. Early childhood would stay the same. And
for school choice, we've budgeted 130 884. that is um still more that we're using than we're anticipating receiving. Uh we don't have the cherry sheets out for FY27,
but um for FY26, we we only receiving what $112,000. So, we don't want to exacerbate those funds so that we are over using what we're receiving uh every year over year. I think we have
enough built up that we can slowly dwindle. We can back up to what we're actually receiving. Um, we don't have to do it all at once, but we do need to back off from using those revenues.
So, questions on the budget. I can keep sharing it. I can bring it back up. Uh Nate, you have a question. Then I have a question. >> Yeah. Um on the Can you talk about that nonpublic tuition expense that went up
significantly? >> That was my question. What's the Yeah. What's the total on that out of district thing? Again, I missed. >> What is that about? >> We don't know exactly. Um because it hasn't begun yet. And so those are still some of the things in in flux right now.
Uh but it's looking at about $163,000 a year. >> Okay. So that that could end up I mean that is a sub in addition to the cost of everything going up that is a substantial part of the jump in
percentage this year. Yes. I mean, I don't know what that works out for. I don't know what percentage that works out to, but that is a, >> you know, if that is works out the way it's working out, that's a non-negotiable thing we are on the hook for that has nothing to do with budget and spending and a and planning
like that's outside of our control. Yes. >> Correct. Correct. >> Just want to make sure that everyone understands that. >> What is that? So that happens and I want to be sensitive in how I we're a small town and I want to respect people's
privacy and and all of that. >> Um sometimes there are students whose needs we do not have the capability to meet so that they can meet the educational progress that they're entitled to. And so we have to look for out of district
placements for them. Um and they are expensive. um and transportation to them. The facilities are expensive. Um it is not something that um as as Jeremy said, this is part of our responsibility and it's um part of the responsibility
of a student in our community and we're not able to meet their needs at our local elementary school and so we have to find a way to have their needs met outside of here. >> So I that probably was not as as um transparent as you'd like but I No,
that's perfect. any sensitive way >> that goes to the idea of um having paras um in classrooms being less expensive. So we're paying a parah to shadow
>> sometimes we can Yep. Sometimes in in we can add things to our budget to bring in extra services so that a student right people we we want students to stay in their home community. families want students to stay in their home community, but sometimes the expertise
that is needed, we just cannot offer. Um, and so when that happens, we have to look at what does the child child need and we we're obligated to get them what they need. >> Okay. Thank you so much. >> Sure. >> And I think I just want to add to that. That was kind of what I was trying to say is that like as we start to wrap our
head around the budget and that you know if if you know and of course Caitlyn will try to work her magic and get that percentage down but at some level you know on the school committee our job is to say well this is a fun you know this is what this is this needs to happen like there's no this is not a negotiable sort of thing this is not something that
you can plan away um it's just the way that this goes and so um just to be aware of that so uh I think it was I don't know if it was Anna and then Susie or Susie and then Anna, but one of you can go.
>> Um I'll take a I'll take a shot. Um >> yeah. >> Um first of all, non public tuition is also called outofdist placement. So um sometimes we get so many words going we we lose track. So that's it's an outofd
district placement. And I believe we had one in FY26. And is this a new one or an additional one in FY27? So will we have two or one in FY27?
>> You want me to speak in? I don't want to oversp speak for people. No, it's one. >> It's just one. >> Okay. And then you said that the tuition would be 163K. Is that what you said? And the circuit breaker says we
pay 54K and they pay over it, but the money doesn't come in in the same fiscal year it's spent. Okay? So, we would front the 163, but some circuit breaker is coming in
from the FY26 current year we're in. And um so there's some sort of net number here and you and you won't know exactly what it is because you don't know the real cost of the tuition or the transportation or whether the state changes the formula. But is there a
ballpark of what we're doing? >> Yes. So we have a ballpark. So for let's say for this given year we have there's two types of circuit breaker. There's extraordinary expenses and then there is a regular circuit breaker. The extraordinary expense is if you have
something come up mid year, which we have, then we apply for it in March and we receive funding in May to help support this current school year, which we plan on doing. >> Then there is the regular circuit
breaker where we say this is what we spent last year and then you will give us funding for the following year. And that's the one that's going. It's tricky to understand because we don't know the
exact amount. We don't know the dates. We don't know how much. So, we're having to budget this early with not a lot of understanding about what it's going to be. But, you spend the first 54,000 and
then they'll give you 75% back. After that, you get into a better groove of understanding what is spent every year and circuit breaker keeps up with that much better. So, um this is a tricky
point with not having clarity on um expenses, on timelines, on everything. So, this is an early budget. We are this is our the best we can do right now to explain to to have numbers but those
numbers will probably change in the next few months. I know. I was shocked to hear that um when a kid goes out to a charter school um the district pays and if that kid washes out of that charter school and returns to the to the original school
sending school, the charter school gets the full year tuition from the public school. Any luck on circuit breakers? Do we get to have all the money if things change or does
it go another way? >> I saw that. >> No was the answer. I think >> I think the answer >> because circuit breaker really you're getting money. You're fronting the money. >> Yeah. >> So it's not like you know you go to a charter school it doesn't work out but
you were there October 1st so we've got the year. you've already fronted the money. >> All right. Yeah. Well, this these are all topics on the um push right now, the MTA letter, which people signed um all
of Fincom signed it. Umund uh 1,078 signatures on MTA letter. It got delivered on um November 18th. And um the FINCOM is working to keep the town informed about what's going on.
Then we're going to try to get some postcard um postcard drive going because these are such serious financial issues. It's not about this person that needs out of district tu tuition. It's about the
funding formulas that we are all being crushed by right now. So um maybe I will um if I can get the postcard process going um I'll bring it to you. Um, and there is going to be um a public event
at the Leverett Library on December 13th, which is a Saturday from 1 to 2:30. And Joe Cummifford, Natalie Blle, Jessica Cerwin, uh, Corwin, and some other people are going to come and it's it's like the alarm. People need to
know. Um, and getting people to show up at these events and feel inspired to act is where we're at because th this is I looked at this budget and thought it isn't us. This isn't our problem. It's a funding problem, not a spending problem.
>> And and as Caitlyn said, this is our first rough draft, but we recognize, right, everybody is stressed because the pie's only so big. And um we recognize that. We want to be transparent. This is not adding any positions. As a matter of fact, it's not really even level service
because we didn't fill an open position. So, we're trying to be good partners. Um, some of our fixed costs have gone up. You know, dues, we we have to be members of, you know, associations and the dues goes up. Um, so, and we have some contractual um responsibilities
with with colas. So, this isn't the finished product, but we want to be transparent and say this is where we're at. if we were looking at we just want everything to say status quo, this is what it would cost to do that. Um, and so we're just trying to be proactive and
transparent and and let people know where that stands. And Caitlyn and and Ann have done a lot of work around. We have had several budget meetings already internally. And when I say we have looked at every line, there was not a lot of fluff in any of
the union 28 budgets to be honest. But um I would say and Caitlyn you can correct me if I'm wrong but I think shoots is probably the tightest because we recognize as a municipality your budget's very tight and we um you know it's it's not personal right this you
hire us as educators and this is what it costs for us to give you the product that you're getting right >> and then as taxpayers you'll have to decide what what we'll run it with what you give us but you're getting a really good return on your money right I mean your school's getting recognized at a state level for such a small school,
they're getting recognized for performance, but that that comes with a price tag and and this is the current price tag and and we'll operate with whatever you tell us, but this is what it costs to provide that. >> Thank you, Shannon. That's good context all around, Anna.
>> So, I just wanted to follow up on what Susie said. Um I I actually went to the listening session that Desi held at um Greenfield and testified with a group of
regional school committee members and Ammerst school committee members and Ammerst town representatives. Um so Shberry's voice was heard at that listening session. Um, so I would actually encourage as many of you as
possible to bring your friends and go to the Leverit listening session. The one that I went to was hosted by Desi and this one I think is hosted by Joanne Commerford and her friends. Um but uh
this is all about uh marshalling support for and encouraging our representatives and the government to rethink the formula and funnel more aid to rural and um small
regional schools. Um, there's a lot of broken parts to the funding formula and getting them to look at it again and try to create a funding formula that works for all of the schools in Western Massachusetts as well as all of the schools in Boston um is really
important. Um, my question maybe more for an but um maybe Shannon as well. Um, so school choice is always a portion of our budget. I'm wondering if
how much room we have for accepting school choice students and how many students are applying to be to enroll at Chesbury that we turn away each year? Like do we accept almost everybody that wants to come here or are there excess
numbers of students who want to come that we turn away because we just don't have the space for them? >> It really just depends on the grade level. certain grade levels have more open seats than others. And um if you know of any students that do not want to send their children to middle school next year and want to come to us, we
will have um some spots that are open in our next year's sixth grade. So spread the word. I'm happy to as well. Um, so it really just depends on the on the grade level, but we have not I think that the only time we've ever turned
away is really um is um preschool because we don't have um we have one, you know, we have one preschool with multiple opportunities for students to attend. But um just that I think that was and and I think there was a time where there was um we didn't have any
spots in a couple of the grade levels. I think was fifth grade and um fifth grade last year might have been one. I'm not sure off the top of my head. I can go back through it but >> and preschool's not eligible for school choice funding. So that would have to be a tuition in pro they were not able to claim school choice for preschool.
>> Right. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Um so thank you very much Caitlyn. Thank you everybody for the conversation around that. Um sorry now I'm just looking for our next piece which would be the superintendent report.
>> Okay. Thank you, Haley, for staying for that. I know that didn't make you go to bed feeling any better, but um >> you know, yeah, it's gonna be great. >> I do appreciate you hearing the context of it. >> Um okay, so wait, I have more to my report.
>> Oh, go ahead. Go ahead, I'll go fast. >> Report. It's okay. the expenditure report you can review your review view on your own time and that um we can talk about next month when we have more clarity but I do want to talk about our
27 payroll plan for next year. So there are each um salaried employee, hourly employee is broken up into 27 26 payroll checks through the year, but there are more than 52 weeks in the year
by like a day or two depending on leap years and such. And so what every school district needs to do um every 11ish years is to reset the payroll
calendar. So uh we have we are up for that. We're actually maybe a little bit past due for that. We need to reset our p our payroll calendar and all the documents are linked in my uh director's report. But
I'm going to pull up one in particular, and that is the 27 payroll period for a 10-month employee, but I've also linked in for 12 month employees and so on. So,
normally 26 paychecks. This year for FY26, the first payroll was on um 828 for a 10-month paycheck. uh 10-month employee and then that will end on 813.
If this employee was making, let's say, $75,000 top step, there's no um step also on top of cola. So for FY27, their paycheck, their first paycheck
will be on 827. This will continue to get earlier and earlier unless we reset it, which is what we need to do now. And then if we will need to go to 27 paychecks for FY27
instead of to FY26 with a 3% cola which is what most Shootsberry is. Uh that will change, >> hang on just a second. >> That will decrease every paycheck by a
little bit of money because it is 27 paychecks instead of 26. However, with 27 paychecks now, we have reset the calendar to September 9th
and then it would be the normal amount of increase and going forward for FY28. So, there are a couple ways that districts can approach this. They can either skip paychecks
every 11 years or so or for some regional school districts every six years. What we would like to do is to go to a 27 paycheck calendar for FY27 so that uh we are able to kind of reset
it. And here is the schedule going forward. For FY26, our first paycheck was on August 28th. for FY27 to be on the 27th. And remember, it would continue to go further and further um earlier and
earlier if we didn't reset it. But by resetting it now, we'll go to September 9th. And then it will keep going early and earlier until FY35 >> and then we won't have to do it again till FY46 and FY57.
And I know Jeremy, you've been through a couple of these payroll uh resets where weeks are skipped between paychecks. >> Yep. >> This is our attempt to um instead of skipping because of municipal districts,
you can't skip one week. You would have to skip two. So would have to be an entire month between. This is how we would like to remediate the situation by having a 27 paycheck schedule for FY27. >> Yep. Um Anna,
>> so this is probably a stupid question, but is there a reason we can't pay on the 1st and the 15th instead of every two weeks or? That's a good question. Um, >> we'd have to redo our CBA though because
our CBA says that they get paid 26. Um, our collective bargaining agreement says that they get paid in 26 installments. >> Yes, that's still 26 installments. >> But I think for regional school districts that would be fine except that because we have three municipal
districts including Shootsberry, we have to stay on their payroll schedule. So when we had first asked could we just skip a week they were like no because not your district but a different one. No because we do all of the town
employees on the same payroll schedule every other week. So we can't be not in line with theirs. Well, maybe we should go to all the other districts and all the other towns and suggest that if you just pay each
pay people on the 1st and the 15th, you still have 26 payments >> and they're very regular. >> They're 24. Oh, they're 24. >> That' be 24 cuz there's always two months that you have three paychecks and the health insurance works that Yeah.
>> Maybe you should just ask everyone to deal with 24 paychecks and do it twice a month instead of every other week. >> Yeah, >> it seems like less complicated. >> I will say, >> okay, never mind. as a teacher starting out those years where you miss a week
and it's usually like the week right before school or like it's the first week of school or it's like you know so like I just remember one time in particular when I was first starting out like how incredibly stressful that was because you just made it through the summer and you're ready to get start getting paid
again and they're like oh actually no we're skipping a week and you get paid you know the next pay period it's like that's it's it's a it's a lot of stress for especially teachers that are just starting out. Um, Susie, >> does that affect the health insurance? >> It doesn't because the health insurance
is taken out two pay periods per month. So, it will continue to be the same. If there was um and we've talked a lot with school committees, with um the accountants, treasurers, unions, um
there were there were questions about like, well, what if we just did a skipped payroll? could we not have the health insurance? I'm like, no, it would just double up in that one paycheck you had. So, health insurance just, you know, two paychecks every month, so
it'll stay the same. >> Okay. Anna, did you have another question? >> No, I just didn't lower my hand. >> Okay. Caitlyn, do you have any more good news for us? So, I'm not asking for any action
tonight. My our our plan for every district is to present this to well, we started with uh the town accountants, the treasurers, and then the school committees so that we talk to you first and then um emails to the associations
and the members. And we're trying to be really proactive about this. it won't take effect until for a few employees in July, but most not until September. So, we just wanted to um give everyone enough uh time for questions and for uh
dialogue before this takes effect. >> Okay, thank you. Um Okay, so next would be uh superintendent report. Okay, I you have the report. I'm not
going to read it all. You are certainly able to read it, but I am going to just highlight a few things. Um, as you heard, the um other schools within Union 28 were able to get a Prism grant because they all have to use the
same ELA um uh curriculum. And part of that came with some coaching. Um we were able um Lindsay reached out to Desessie into the vendor and we were able to get that coaching um and um classroom visit
um collaboration to include Shootsberry even though they are not part of the grant. Um so Ann has been able to be a part of the principal work. um we've been able to go into the classroom and look um for high um um even though it's
a different curriculum um looking for um give feedback about practices and all that. So that's been a really nice um collaboration for us to be able to offer Shootsberry. Um the other thing I wanted to point out, I know Anna talked about
the um chapter 70 listening sessions. I did link um I submitted testimony. Um I it I linked it so that you can read it. Um I went last Friday to a superintendent's roundt and they were having a joint um presentation by the
head of MASC and MASS um and they were very frank about the listening sessions are a listening session but um they're being the listeners are from DESIE and DESIE does
not set the funding formula and so we have to really be active with our legis legislators um about changing that formula and to be clear that it is not a quick process. Um if they decide we have this listening session, then they have
to have a committee. The listening session report isn't even going to come out until the summer. So then they're going to hopefully vote to do a committee and they'll do a committee study. So you really are we are looking at several years out if they decide to
fix it. So just um I think it was a little eye opening to all the superintendents who were sitting there thinking oh you know maybe in two years it will be different. It's probably it in their opinion and you know they said it's non-binding but just their expertise they felt it was going to be a
couple of years out. Susie I see you have your hand up. >> Yes. And I think that rural aid is the is part a much better part that's at hand. It could happen now. They just have to say yes it should have been 60 million. So, I think people do need to
push on that because the formula is a long-term problem, but the rural aid is right at hand. And that is um you know, we did a lot of um uh lobbying as um educator groups.
And not only did we not get the 60 million that the um independent study said this is what our rural school needs just to keep pace because we're not getting student opportunity act funds that's largely based on enrollment and so this was supposed to be the leveling
field you know um not only did we not get the 60 million they cut from what they gave us last year which really felt pretty disheartening um to be honest that not only did they not hear us it was kind of like and we're going to take a little bit from that. Um, and they are
collecting more revenue from the millionaires tax than they expected. >> So, they took in more and gave less to, um, education projects. So, um, I was, you know, as Susie said, I think that that is a quicker fix. Um, and we really
have to be relentless in those efforts. Um, and that being said, more good news on the legislative fund. yesterday afternoon the and I linked this in my report. It was a new addition because it just came yesterday afternoon. So if you read the report prior to yesterday, you
might want to go um look at that Google doc because I've added some links um uh the US Department of Education informed state educators um leaders um our lead agency. So that would be desi for us of their intent to transition the management of several major programs to
other federal federal agencies. This is clearly towards the administration's very public goal of closing the department of ed. Um the announcement states that the majority of programs currently managed by the federal office will transition to the US department of
labor. Um these programs include title one, title 1 A, title 2A, title 3A, title 4A um and the McKinto homeless act among others. Right now, IDAA is staying um in the Department of Ed, as is the
Office for Civil Rights. Um so, I've linked um that it's very new, just came yesterday. Um we got a letter, superintendent's got a letter from the commissioner um sharing what he knows. Um and much of this is cut and paste from exactly what he shared. Um
we don't know a lot about what that looks like. We have already been told in multiple circles, as Caitlyn talked about in her report, we are not going to be getting some of the federal funding. That is just not going to happen. We are really hoping that we hang on to the title one. Um, but we're already
anticipating that we are not going to have two and four. Um, which doesn't seem like a lot of money, but in a tight budget, it is money that we have to make up. and it creates that, you know, when you lose 16,000 towards professional development, we're still obligated to
provide professional development. So that 16,000 that we have to add into our budget that is is part of that increase that you're seeing. So I've linked those there. I'm happy if you want have questions after, reach out to me individually. I'm happy to answer those. Um I don't want to make it longer than
it needs to be and and you can all read. So, um I I want to um be timely with that, but those are sort of some of the highlights. I wish I had more exciting, better news to give you, but that's what I've got today. >> All right, Anna.
>> Is this a place where we can reach out to places like UMass, Ammer, and ask them to help with professional development? I know they have programs um that could be
useful. Um I don't think Ammeris College is as helpful in this respect >> um because it's mostly >> underrad group. Yeah. I think what we need to remember is they're public institutions so they're facing cuts also. So they might not have as much
flexibility. Um, UMass actually reached out to area superintendents about how to build that collaboration. Um, and superintendents have been meeting um, area superintendent from Franklin and Hampshire County have been meeting um, they met once in the spring, once in the
summer, in the fall to try to look for ways to build that collaboration. I think everybody is facing professional development needs. So certainly that might come up. Um, I it has not come up yet. Um, so that that's the only answer I have.
It can certainly I think everything's going to be going to be looked at, but some of the things that we need to provide professional development around sometimes are very um tied in with our curriculum and that might not be something that UMass can really fill
that that gap. >> Our professional development budget is pretty tight here. We do a lot inhouse. Um, we put a lot principles lead a lot of professional development. Um, Lindsay leads a lot of professional development. So, we keep that pretty tight. Um,
but there'll be some expenses that we have to um have to build into our budget. >> Yeah. just UMass because it's located in Ammerst and because we are part of the region, they may be more inclined to help towns that are associated with the
region in addition to the fact that like because they are a public institution, they don't pay taxes um to Ammerst. And so this is sort of like an inkind donation to support the the educational goals of the four towns
that contribute to the region that is located uh in part, you know, where they live. >> We can certainly we can certainly reach out. Uh I I >> the regional committee has been trying really hard. there's going to be a lot of people lining up to to try to get some services, but it's certainly a
great idea and I can certainly reach out and and discuss it at the next meeting with them about where what are our needs and and what can they maybe help with. >> Awesome. >> Okay. Um so we are sorry uh principal report is next.
>> Thank you so much and I do love that idea Shannon that readers are leaders. So I have also shared the principal report. I do want to add one thing to it though. Um today we got to do the final um celebration for the mass cultural grant residency that the students have
been able to participate in. We had Tara um Murphy and Elizabeth ironically has the same last name. Murphy, our PTO parent. Um Elizabeth really was an incredible coordinator along with the office staff to really make sure that this could happen. And it was it was
exceptional. The students not only did they play the drums, the they learned West African dance and um did some singing as well. So it was a a really a pretty pretty amazing toetapper to end the day. Um and so I just wanted to give
a big shout out to that. Um we've been having uh doing a lot of hard work. The students are just absolutely working really hard. We see a lot of kids that are really pushing their their growing learning edge. The um the gratitude jar
is absolutely overfilling. If you have a moment to take a look at that, that's been such an amazing addition to our school and really talking about what it um how how grateful we are for our community. So, you all included as well, for sure. Um so, I've shared my report,
too. I know in the interest of time, if I if anybody has any questions for me or wants me to speak to any of this, I'm I'm happy to. Okay. >> I just had >> Yeah, I just had a quick question and um
I appreciate you sharing the um the seats across all the grades. Like I I um that's really helpful to see. Um there were just some um lines that weren't summing correctly. Um so I wasn't sure
if like let me see. I think I wrote it down. Oh, 13 for kindergarten. >> Yeah, so much. Oh, there's 10 total. >> Sorry. There's there's 10 total. So, there should be um seven that are Shootesberry and then um residents,
three that are school choice. >> Okay, >> don't worry. I can add I will fix these. >> Yikes. The boiler on the brain. >> Oh gosh. >> Oh, let me I'll fix these after. just to make sure I don't I don't mess anything
else up. So, I'll double check those. That'll be all updated. >> Thank you. >> You >> Thank you, Leah, for noticing that, too. >> Yeah, definitely. >> All right. So, Ammerst Pelum, Anna, do you have a report for us? >> Sorry.
Like, oh no, my mute button. Um, so I um Yeah. So, I I guess the biggest thing that we've been talking a lot about is the Dinda Dykes is coming back to work in the
middle school. Um, we are complying with the court order and there so she is we we are required to bring her back and put her back in her same position. Um
and so the superintendent and the principal are working out plans to um ensure that everyone feels safe and accommodated and um has people to contact if they have um things they need
to talk about. And um we strengthened our policies to ensure that um it's clear what is expected on how to treat uh transgender students
etc. Um and then the enforcement of documentation and evaluation is um going to be much stronger. Um so that's ensuring that everybody gets an
evaluation and the proper documentation is being made is part of the superintendent's goals and we did approve the superintendent's goals for the year. Apparently we are very very late in doing that and we should have done that in April but we did do that
now. So hopefully Shannon's goals have been improved earlier than No. No. Okay. Um, so >> or Monday night. >> Okay. So, we're on the same timeline, I
guess. Um, we are starting to talk about budgets, but we have not yet seen a draft budget um for 2027. Uh we had a four towns meeting to talk
about the um finances of all the four towns and sort of the what the school is looking at sort of more generally. Um which I think was you know it was it was a good listening session. Um it was unlike any other fourtown meeting that has ever
happened. um because it was just so much so many towns sharing thoughts about their finances and way how they think about their finances and so that was a little bit helpful to just get a a base understanding of how all
the four towns operate. Um I think that's oh I guess the track and field is still on course. Um and Can't think of anything else.
Oh, the the the the move is the move from for the sixth graders is still, you know, uh happening. Um and they're still working out some of the details. um they they have to do some redistricting to figure
out where the students are actually going to go for that are not going to the middle school, but like how they're organizing their prek to fifth graders has to change a little bit. So that's a little complicating. And then uh Amoris
had elections and so there's a new slate of um members who I think they don't start until January, but we will have two new school committee members. Um
and uh they've turned over a couple of their uh town council members as well. So, it should be interesting to see how that affects sort of policy and how the school school committee runs um
starting next January. You have any questions? >> Susie. >> Susie. >> And um the school roof, middle school roof got its grant, correct? >> Yes. The middle school roof got its grant. Um they had said that they were
going to Ammeris has suggested that they want to provide some extra funding to fix the auditorium roof as the at the same time that they're fixing the rest of the middle school roof. >> Apparently, the middle the auditorium
portion of the roof is like one year younger than the rest of the roof and so therefore it doesn't qualify for MSBA grants. So they can't use MSBA money for the auditorium portion.
And so it's just like financially it's just silly because it's going to cost a lot more money to fix the roof some other time. So I do think it's a good idea for Ammerst to throw some money at that just
to make sure that it also gets included in the whole design. However, they wanted to ask the other towns to also contribute a little bit of money to the auditorium roof. And so I think that there is going to be an ask. I don't
know that the other towns have to say yes, but I think the regional school has to ask. So just so you know, the finance committee has been asked. I don't know if they will say yes, but yeah,
I think that's a that's the end of the roof. >> Thank you. >> And then there's the high school. So, you know, the high school roof is also a disaster. So, next year. No, I'm just kidding. >> It's not a disaster. It's just in in need of some repairs as well.
Whoever designed flat roofs on schools in New England, >> I have no idea. That is beyond comprehension to me. >> All right. Thank you, Anna. Um, so joint supervisory committee report. I did not
make it. Um, so somebody else is gonna have to do >> I went and all I have for notes is Alabama shakes. Do you have that? >> Yep. >> Just kidding. Um, yeah, there was a a school committee member from Lebert who
said that their son is the drummer for Alabama Shakes. And so, we're going to try to reach out to that guy. I I tried to find him on Instagram. I don't think it's the original drummer, but I think he's a studio guy sitting in, but we
should try to figure that out. Anyway, um, yeah, superintendent report. Um, we talked about uh evaluation and goals. Um, we talked a lot about the Hampshire Trust um issue. Um, changing leadership
um, uh, Caitlyn gave her discussion about the budget um, and the increases um, and the 5.52% increase and the COLA increases. These are just my notes. Um, I didn't use
Otter. I'm gonna stay away from using Otter for a while. Um, Lindsay Rodriguez gave her report. Um, yeah, and we talked uh had um Jamrog in
there uh just the other day. Um I think they didn't have school on Monday, was it? So, they had on Monday um there was no heat in the building and the boiler was not working at 6:30 when the custodian came in. He couldn't get it
working and you have to make that call really early if you're going to cancel and so they have had their first uh snow day already. >> Yeah. So, we talked about that. We talked about like maybe setting up another meeting between the schools
about HVAC issues and stuff like that. Um it was a good meeting, you know. Um I'm just kind of sc going through it because we're kind of running late. Um but yeah, those are some of my notes.
>> Thank you. Um Anna, do you have a question? >> Um has there been any more discussion about Irving wanting to leave? >> No. >> They love their new superintendent. Now they're just >> Yes. Excellent.
>> I'm sure that is true. >> No, they um are not even part of the regionalization study for there's the Pioneer Gil Monagu regionalization. Irving is staying out of that. Um and
interestingly enough, Pioneer they are looking to redo they have Irving does not have a sending they don't send their kids automatically somewhere. They have tuition agreements and most of their kids go to um Gil Monagu to Turner Falls High School. Um but now Pioneer would
like to have a regionalization agree a tuition agreement with Irving to go to Pioneer. So um it's going to be going to be interesting, but they are not part of it. They have not they've not talked about it um at any meetings since I I've been there.
So I say that tongue and cheek, but they're they're they have not brought it up. Okay, thank you. Um, wonder what that'll mean for Turner's Falls. Uh, so CES report.
Um, Leah. Oh, sorry, Susie. >> I I just wanted to fit in the idea that, um, the FINCOM has set up its schedule to review budgets and we have the school committee scheduled for February 10th.
Um, we will give um, Caitlyn questions and feedback earlier off the draft, but maybe I'll find out what draft she wants us to to respond to. Um, and um, I don't I don't know. I sent copy of the budget
request letter that we sent to all the departments because we want everybody to understand where we're coming from. the school is always on a different sort of schedule and um and I don't know it's it's its own entity. Um but I sent out
that letter and I don't know if it got shared with the school committee. Um and um that's the fin's budget request letter for FY27 and I also testified in Greenfield and I spoke mostly about our
elementary school. So, I will send my testimony, but I don't know where all these things get sent to. They go out. >> Okay. Thank you, Susie. Um, all right. So, CES Leah, is there
anything you want to share with us? Did you have a meeting? I can't remember. >> Yeah, so we didn't have a meeting. Um, but we were we are looking for an executive director at CES. So, the job
um was just posted at the end of October with an application deadline of November 30th. So, that's coming up pretty soon. They are hoping to have interviews in January. Um and make a final decision by
February. Um and the next meeting is December 10th. >> Okay. Thank you. We should add that into the uh future business. I guess um well by the time we meet again it will have
been so December 10th. Thank you. All right. Uh moving on to the last part of our evening. We've got our policy review. Um got the first read on uh K A KI ECAB JJ and KBE which we do not need
to talk about unless anyone has anything that they want to address with it on the first read. Okay. Um seeing none, we'll go on to the second read. First vote for KBA school parent guardian relations goal. Uh GBBC
gifts to and solicitations by staff. KI visitors to the school and I hammer health education. Um so uh if we can get a move and then if anyone has any discussion
>> I move to um have a first vote on KBA GB BC KI and H I H am >> right I second that. >> Okay does anybody have is there any discussion that needed to be had?
>> Great. All right. So all in favor Mayu I >> Lanca boy. >> Jack I miss Anna you >> Anna you're muted. >> Uh yes. Sorry couldn't find my mute button.
>> So it's all unanimous. Uh final final vote on uh BB school committee legal status. >> So moved. Second. >> All right. Uh all in favor mayu I
>> I heard I. >> Okay. So that is unanimous as well. I do want to ask one question that did not end up on this agenda and I know we're running late but I know there was some concern around payroll last meeting and we talked about the possibility of an executive session. Is that something
that still needs to be addressed? Um, if you want to address it vaguely, I just want to be clear that we haven't invited anyone. If we're going to speak about in particular people, they haven't been invited. I think we've cleared it all up. As far as I'm aware, Ian, I I
haven't had any issues come to me. >> We're all good. >> Good. >> Okay. So, if that needs to be addressed at some future time, we'll we'll deal with it. But, as far as we know, it's all resolved. So, can I get a move to adjurnn? I move to adjourn the meeting. >> All right.
>> Second right now. So I'll send that to everybody. >> My UI >> all you guys. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Take care. Thanks again. >> Bye. >> Bye.