Yes. >> I know. Yes. Worry about that. See lot of stuff here. I can move my stuff. >> It's okay. I only have it in case you
have to look at it. >> When you review the agenda, are you going to mention what's not on it? >> Oh, then we kicked it down the road. Yes. Thank you for the hintage. >> When did they open up? Um
road is delivered or whatever way down there today. Road open. >> It opened to one lane at 11 a.m. Shootsbury Road. January Hills opened at one. >> Oh, okay.
>> But I had a haircut appointment. I was all the way down there. I saw you guys coming the other way. I said, "This is a good time to turn. There's your sign." >> He was like 15 minutes late. My >> plan was late for him. >> That's the thing. >> 90s back going north from way up into
wherever the whatever was going on. We backed up for >> I saw tree trucks everywhere. I went today. >> Yeah, it was bad. >> There was a tree down on my road. They had to stop National Rail. >> There's a big chunk of pine was down in our yard today. I think hit a pine. Get
a little apple tree. I bet apple tree makes things go away. >> I did not. Okay. Shall we call ourselves to order for our shoots for select board meeting
um March 17th at 5:'? Happy St. Patrick's Day, everybody. >> Oh yeah. >> Um let's see. Uh first to review the order. um if you haven't already signed in, if you're in the room, please sign in on the signin sheet on our bookboard. Um to
review the agenda, uh we did have a request from our TA to move up general business because she's got other meetings to attend tonight. Um so with that said, we'll do um public comment followed by approving our minutes. Uh
review and sign a letter of support for the Makavoy Drive hydrant grant program or applications. um appoint Michael Tommy McDuffy to the conservation commission, appoint Matteo Pingala as election um administrator.
Um we'll just chat real briefly about the state of emergency with the oil tank league at elementary school um administrator report and we'll put the mm spear the library reuse committee at the bottom of that. Um and the one
thing that we that um we did remove from our agenda was the Sand Hill discussion. Um we will have uh a discussion at a at a future select board. >> So we will not be having the Sand Hill Road discussion.
>> Thank you. Thanks for your time. >> Enjoy the weather. Um, so, um, so with that, let me open up to public comment. If you're online, please use the raised hand feature. And if
you're in the room, please use your ra. So, is there any public comment before we get started with the rest or agenda? >> No public comment. Okay, let's move on to approving the minutes. Uh, meeting minutes from March 3rd.
2026. >> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes of March 3rd, 2026. >> Second. >> All right. Do we have any um clarification? >> That was good. >> Good. Good. Okay. All in favor?
>> Carol. I >> make so Neil I. Do I hear a motion for 11? >> So moved >> at 410. I'm sorry. We have two left. >> Yeah. Second. >> Okay. Any edits or clarifications?
>> No. Okay. All those in favor? >> Barl. I >> make P 17 I. And then the second set of minutes for March 11th at 4:40. Was there a motion for those? >> So moved. Okay. >> Second. >> Great. Any uh edits or clarifications?
>> As all those in favor? >> Carol I. >> Dr. May I >> to review a letter review and sign a letter for support for the Makavoy drive hydro grant program. >> Yes. Um so this is a request that was
given to me by our fire chief. So um we are wanting to join in this grant application because there is a mutual benefit for the town of Shootsberry. You know way back in December when we first were talking about this emergency dam repair the issue came up. Well, what are our sources of water in the community?
And so, um, you know, if this grant application goes through for the town of Wendell, that would allow Shootes Fairy to access another water point on, uh, Makavoy Pond. So, we want to support their efforts, um, who want to be good neighbors, and Lenny has asked that you
please, uh, sign this support letter. >> Where is Makavoy Pond? >> In Wendell, >> I figured that >> I don't know. Close to Is it that pond on the right hand? >> I believe is your >> Yeah, I think that's it.
>> Is that it? >> Yeah. Take Yes, on the right. Okay. >> Yeah. And if you It goes in. >> Yeah. I never knew what the name was. Okay. That's >> Yes. Um so, do I hear to approve?
>> I'll make a motion to um sign a letter of support for the Makavoy dry hydrant grant application. Second. >> Okay. All those in favor? Carol. I >> think while that's coming down the line, um appointment
>> Excuse me. >> I believe that your microphone is on mute. It's not coming through at a home computer. Thank you. >> It is.
Can anyone else hear us? >> I can hear you. >> I can hear us. >> I can hear you. I can hear you. >> Marylu, it might be your computer setting. >> You might want to log off and then try again. >> Turn the volume up.
>> Yeah, that. >> All right. So, um, next on our agenda is a point of Michael Tommy McDuffy to the conservation, and I see that he's on screen or Yep. There you are. Um, thank you.
Is there anyone from the Conservation Commission that wants to >> fill us in? Would you like to >> Sure. Yeah. Um, Michael um came forward a little bit ago with interest in being on the conservation commission. He's
come to um at least two meetings. Um seems to still want to be on the commission and has has some good outdoor um experience and is very interested in the outdoors um trails and whatnot, then I think he'd be a great addition. And
you know, we've been looking for a fifth member for a while. So, we recommend him to you. >> Michael, did you want to say anything more or >> uh No, just I'm looking forward to the opportunity to serve the town fair.
>> Okay, great. Did anybody have any questions for >> Okay, do I hear a motion to appoint Michael Tommy McDuffy to the conservation commission? >> So moved. Okay. Second. >> All right. All those in favor I >> stalker I
>> make O'Neal I. And our second appointment for the evening is Matteo Pangello as election administrator. >> Yes. >> Yes. Do you want to feel >> Thank you. >> I guess the first thing I want to say a little bit.
>> So um Matteo has graciously some might even say heroically stepped up to help us oversee our spring election. Um this is desperately needed and we're in very capable hands. Um so Mateo has you know we've worked out an arrangement as
defined in this letter where you know he's just going to be doing kind of the ballot administration lo logistics you know designing the ballot all those fun things that we come to expect. Um and um you know we're not really you know this will be part-time basis to occur on
the same days. It's already scheduled to be in the office, so it's a good natural fit. And um that'll get us one step closer to completing our town meeting requirements. >> Awesome. >> Great. About how many hours a week do you think it is, Matteo, to till we get
to town meeting? >> Uh right. Right now I'm planning on um just about five hours a week, but I think >> gets more as we get closer. >> Yeah. stuff that certainly help. >> And what's the what is the um resolution
on the mail and ballots? Is that part of this too? We we believe that that can still happen. >> Yeah. You know, >> I mean until I can't actually get into the state voting registration system to see how many come in, but only one paper applications come in for vote by mail.
>> Okay. >> Um previous time indicated that she doesn't think there'll be a unorable number, >> okay, >> of ballot requests. So I think it's worth doing just >> great team continuity of service.
>> Great. Thank you. Thanks very much for >> there is the issue of the title um because I think that in order to get access to the voter registration information system has to be interim town clerk relationship administrator
>> which so we can do that. You can make a >> Okay. And then our motion will include that. >> Yes. >> Um so I'll make a motion to appoint Mattea Pangalo as the interim town clerk and election administrator for the town
of Shootsberry. >> Second. >> Okay. Um all those in favor? Frell. I >> stalker. I >> O'Neal I. Thank you. MO. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Um, and we were potentially meeting to
declare a state of emergency for the oil tank leak at the elementary school, but Haley has received some um >> good news. Good news. >> Some good news. So, we have a $10,000 Well, actually, let me first back up. So, um there is a hand raised. I don't
know if you want to take a question, >> Mary. Now what? >> Hi. I think perhaps was I called on Melissa? >> Yes. >> I have a question. Um what the position
of election administrator is and when was it created? Thank you. So it was created um well yeah well in a little bit of lead time um but it was created to help us address this uh town
clerk shortage the vacancy that we do have as a way to again maintain the services that towns people are have expected and come to love. Um so basically that job is going to be overseeing the voting process at annual town meeting. It'll be preparing the
ballot. Um, you know, working with our town council on any language and, you know, all those sorts of things >> and it's part-time temporary. >> Yes. Yes. >> Just until >> Yes. Until we we get through this leg >> until we get through the election.
>> Yeah. Um, so moving on to the the state of emergency and the good news, Haley that you >> Yes. Um, so yeah, backing up to last week, um, during a routine inspection of the school oil tank, one of the custodians found that there was a leak.
Um, turns out that we had a leaky gasket and so some of the oil had escaped and because of the rain, it had gone kind of into some of the surrounding external areas at the school. So, nothing internal, nothing that would make us think that the water wasn't safe or that
students were unsafe. Um, so we um let the fire chief know, let our police chief know, um contacted Mass D. Um they were able to get out same day within an hour, hour and a half um to get on site. And then so the cleanup effort consists
of two parts. So you have your your LSP, your licensed site professional. So they're the ones overseeing the remediation work. Um and then we worked with which was swiftly done by the way, >> very swiftly done. They did complete it in one day. Um and so we worked with
Glester Mass Environmental and Royal Steam to do the actual cleanup. So what basically what they do is they take any of the contaminated soil and they put it in a barrel and then they'll come pick up the barrels and I don't know what happens to it after that but that's not our problem anymore.
>> Um so that effort took place. you know, we we were quick to notify the parents and put out a town announce kind of summarizing where we were at. Um, today Maya, who's our insurance provider, they sent a representative to do their own site assessment. Um, I've not heard back
yet from that individual, but we do have a $10,000 deductible. Uh, it looks like we can expect to spend, and this is just a ballpark, >> but we're covered for sure. Um, so it's we're looking at what could potentially
be a $17,000 cleanup remediation and then we have the $10,000 deductible and then on top of that we would have about a $6,000 replacement for the the pump the gasket part. So all in all it's about $23,000.
Uh so because we have this deductible and because I don't believe that these costs are insurmountable, I don't think we need to go the route of the emergency order um but you know we still need to identify whether or not the the oil tank
itself needs replacing and obviously at that point it would be a much more significant cost. So that's something that we're monitoring >> and whether or not the soil around the tank evolves. >> Yes. Yeah. So there's >> work. >> So there's like there's layers of testing, right? there's that initial external piece and then they go in and
it's actually the heating oil company will come in they'll go by whatever they last delivered what the usage was and then they can calculate out if anything is missing so we're waiting for that analysis as well >> and um so so Tyen Bond which is the
licensed site professional they oversee all of this and do they prepare the reports with >> they oversaw um what happened uh last week so I do expect a report from them and then we'll have to, you know, we'll compare that to what our insurance provider gives us as well.
>> Because they were on site to >> they were on site today. Yeah. >> And then the building committee, I know Frank Gin was Yes. >> took a lot of pictures. >> Yes. Been great. Very helpful. >> It's well documented.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we don't need to do that at this point. >> No, we shouldn't take it off the plate yet. No, I it's just something to be conscious of. It's certainly something that I'll be addressing with the fincom later tonight that you know this is
something that you know we need to come up with like a game plan and I think it just speaks to to like a maintenance kind of gap that we have operationally in our budget you know is what is a good way to address that um so that we we can more easily track these kinds of
expenses you know I feel like we're likely to see more of them as infrastructure ages uh >> I give a thank you to everyone one who jumped in on that and had it so swiftly communicated and taken care of and the people on site that's was a great um
exercise for our emergency management team. >> Yeah. So the emergency management team met when did we meet? We met on >> Friday, right? Yeah. >> Yep. >> And that process worked and it was really good to do that. >> Yeah, >> it worked well. So >> good.
>> Thanks. Um I do see a question if it's okay to support Mary Lou. >> Yes. Um curious about the boiler situation in the elementary school and
um you're you're calling it a state of emergency which is you know pretty drastic. I don't know if the building is still open or not, if children are still attending, and if so, what effect would
this boiler catastrophe have on the air quality and you know, the children's every day comingings and goings. >> I can take that. I can feel that question. So, that's a great question, Mary Lou. And I do want to apologize if
I misspoke. I'm referring to the school oil tank, not the boiler. And the oil tank is located externally from the school. It's underground. Um, so to kind of go over your question, so state of emergency, yes, that sounds very scary, but what that really does is it's a
tactical tool. So it allows the select board to deficit spend, right? So if we had costs that were much higher than what we've been discussing, um, that might be an option that we want to pursue. That's actually what we did with the Lake Wya Dam, right? So we have this cost. It's several it's tens of uh
thousands of dollars. It's not something that we have appropriated. So how do we handle an expense we haven't appropriated? We can deficit spend by declaring a state of emergency. So that's really a practical tool. It's good to have in the toolkit. Um as far as the students are concerned, you know,
there there's no indication that there's any hazard or um you know, air quality effect with the students and certainly that is something that we ask mass D right away. Um and they've kind of been guiding us through this process and we don't have any indication from them that
there's something we need to worry about outside of just the you know the analysis and the testing >> and it was everything was outside. >> Yes. Yeah, but nothing happened >> and it was fairly well contained to that hole. >> It wasn't a widely spread oil.
>> No, all things considered, it was not. >> Um, okay. So, if there's no further questions on that, let's go to the town administrator report and then we'll go to the MMC. >> Okay. So, one of the things I wanted to
update folks on is the Lake Wii Dam. Um, so we were able to secure a contractor. We're going to be working with T Ford Company, Inc. Uh, they have a lot of experience in this area. And, um, you know, so we had that initial pro. I
forget what they call it. There's like a specific legal term. It's like this is our best guess, right, for the um, the engineering company. And that came in at about $72,000. And >> submit >> something like that. you know, don't sue us if it goes higher than what we gave
you. Um, it's kind of the shorthand for it. So, um, but what T Ford company has said is that it's likely going to end up being more like 83,000 and a little bit over that. So, that's about a 14% increase. I don't think that's, you know, too outside the realm of possibility. Um, so they are they are
ready to go. It's a project that they anticipate being able to complete within 2 weeks. Um what we are waiting for before we initiate any um emergency repairs is one of the big components of the project is the trash rack. Right? So in working with the manufacturer, we
determined that it likely wouldn't be until early Aprilish, maybe first week of April that we got the trash rack. And so we are waiting to um do the permitting and waiting to begin work until we can kind of align that better with when we
think the trash rack is going to come in. So yes, Lenny Lenny said at our emergency management team, it would best to wait until you have that structural piece so you know how to do everything around it. >> And also you have to get permission from the conservation commission and that has a 30-day time period. So if we don't
time it right, we'd have to go back again. We don't want to do that. Um I don't know if there's any questions on that. But um you know, we'll touch base on the clerk. That's good. Um, I have a question for
the select board. So, we we tried to promote the storm water erosion committee. Um, it's very timely as as all the snow falls right now. Um, but we only got two applications. So, we got an application from an interested individual on ECAC and Jennifer Wallace
uh has continued her interest, but we recommended seven seeds. And so, I I need a little guidance on how we want to proceed. Do we want to try to condense the composition so that maybe we can get, you know, three people or five?
>> Yeah, we did two, we did two rounds of unannounced postings and we didn't get any other traction. Um, and I know Jennifer, >> did we did we look for representation from any of So, did we not get >> We didn't
>> So, we didn't get any of the the conservation commissioner. >> We didn't get any takers unfortunately. Um, and we had, you know, we did a couple rounds and I expect also people are probably busy. That could also be part of it. Um, but maybe if we look at
reducing the composition or changing it, you know, we have we have both LWA and LWAC. I don't know, just throwing things out there. But, um, do you think um do you think because some people are not here like I was thinking about LWA people are
not who are the summer folks >> that are not around or not looking at stuff during the winter related to the town. as possible. You know, it's hard to set. I you know, I think we could we could make the group smaller. Um
>> yeah, I wouldn't want to make it smaller than five probably at least five. >> Yeah. Yeah. Five. And then maybe we could just do some direct outreach and try to brainstorm like >> maybe you want more community
participation. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Or maybe some of the people on the boat safety. >> Yeah. Thoughts. Who are you looking at? >> Oh. >> Michael, do you want to weigh in on that
one? I see you're in your car. >> Driving in. >> I'm I'm on the verge of sell signals. Um just a practical thing. If you if you change it, you know, having been on a committee that didn't have enough people, um if you had three, then you'd
have a quorum with two, but if you do any more than that, even those two people can't do anything. So, depending on how soon you want to take action, um might inform that. >> Yeah, five would need three. >> Five would need three. Yeah, >> probably. I think five is I think we I
think we have five and maybe just do some direct outreach and and let's just maybe look at the if you could share with us the list of who was on the I'll send you the the charge because then I'll have to also alter it for you to update.
>> Right. Right. >> Right. So we could do that at the next meeting. >> Um because it is actually an exciting time. We're also working on another MVP application. Right. um to do some community outreach and um engagement around the first grant that we got.
>> Yeah, >> that would be fun. >> Okay. And that was my question on that. And then lastly, um I spent a lot of time with Next Door Shootsbury customer service
this week because you have to if you want to have a business page, you have to register as a person and then you have to like upload all these documents. So I went back and forth with them. Well, I don't have this document. I'm a municipality. What can you do for me? So
I got it set up and I'm going to start doing a Friday five. That's my branding. So, five bullet points from the town hall to the public on a myriad of topics. Yes. You know, as a routine thing that people can try to post it at the same
time. If it'll let me schedule it, that would be nice. But it'll go out consistently with just some brief updates. Um, you know, I'm all about being concise and clear, so I want to target that. >> So, you think next door is the way to do it? >> I do. >> Okay. >> I do.
>> Business ones you can have no comments. and actually on the page itself. But if you're on not on next door like us, >> I know you got to start somewhere. >> I know. I don't think town announce is a better way to >> town announce, but people use social media a lot and you have to be out there and on it. And I did put on our page
that it's just for external communications that people shouldn't expect a back and forth. They should really just expect to hear updates on town business. So, I just I've I have I've been on Next Door and I've stopped like looking at it because it's just
gotten so vitriolic. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Obviously it wasn't. >> Yeah. I And there's just it it there's a lot of sales stuff, you know, a lot of >> there is a lot of marketing. >> Yeah. I I don't find it particularly
useful anymore. >> Well, we can go into Facebook after that, but that's harder to set up. Um, but I think it'll be helpful. You know, like I said, >> you could do it, but I would also use town and outs. >> Yeah, it would go concurrently. >> So, >> I see I see several hands. I see Susie,
then Gail, and then Michael. Go ahead, Susie. Um the the reason she's very created a policy not to go on that in town business was because the a the attorney general's office recommended against it that there's a lot of issues
attached to it and they said they warned us not to do that. >> That's our that was our position. >> Okay. >> When was that Susie? >> 201 years. on the web >> uh choices that I
>> I wonder if that's been updated at all. >> Police department have a um did you guys have an >> expert? Uh >> account. >> I have an account. >> Face Facebook, >> but we use Facebook. >> Yeah. >> Do you? >> Yeah. >> Well,
>> I'd use Instagram, but I don't think most people have >> Instagram's even Yes. >> Facebook's kind of like the catch all of >> Yeah. Well, it's also interesting because it's different ages, right? So, typically, you know, you might see people millennials. I hesitate. I I mean, I think Gen Z is going to be
probably Tik Toking it, but I don't want to get that. We're not putting out videos. Um, Facebook Next Door, I think it does hit kind of that sweet spot of who our population is in town in terms of age. Um, so those are good references. >> Not only space.
>> Yeah. And then >> Oh, and then yes, go ahead. Yeah. >> Yeah. I would like to caution um official pronouncements coming from anything other than the official town website and if you want to use your
place on Next Door Shutberry, any of the others media to refer to the website for the statements. Um, but it's going to be a tricky business I think distinguishing between those two and particularly if you get a question and answer it on Facebook.
Uh, what is the difference between that and some official policy announcement or a policy statement or a policy response that comes from the town and it's not going to be controlled or controllable on Next Door Shootsberry or Facebook or Tik Tok or anything?
>> I think that comes down to who has account access. So that wouldn't be something that's generally shared with most employees. That would be kept purely administratively as a function. And you can set up your announcements so that they link to something else. And you can say, you know, here's a, you
know, here's a a brief kind of executive summary of a topic. This is where you find more information in just the same way you would format it as a town announce, but it's a little bit more interactive. And I think too a lot of times what can happen is when you have a vacuum of
information and you don't have a presence things can get people can say oh it's this way and the sky is purple and maybe it's purple when the sun sets but it's not purple all the time. And if you have the town account saying well this is what we're putting out. This is
what we've committed to. This is you know the facts as we see them. I think it's a lot more difficult to argue with >> and yeah, there are a lot of behind the scenes controls of Facebook. I haven't explored the ones on Next Door. They're not widely out there. I just read
>> they're pretty they're actually pretty simple in >> um but there are some ways of keeping it controlled. Um >> but you see my concern. >> I do see your concern. Yes. >> Michael and then and then you
too. Yeah. So I guess I have two thoughts. One, I want to acknowledge I think what Haley said because I I agree like you know one thing I told her is government tends to not be proactive and putting information out there. So it creates a void which then creates an
opportunity for lack of information. So on the one hand I I totally agree with that and doing something that's proactive to provide information to residents is important. But I think wearing my ex web committee hat and my ex select board hat, I would pick up
where you know Gail and I think Rita spoke to of cautioning about using private platforms. Um, you know, we have the town website. It's and, you know, in the olden days, beginning of Becky's tenure as town administrator, she used to do TA reports. You know, I know Tom
used to do them at some point when he was police chief. It seems like what I would think would be appropriate is to post the information on the town website on a town administrator page and then use the privatelyowned platforms whether they be Facebook or Next Door something
else and point to it but only point to it just put the URL so you have the account where you can get in front of people's eyeballs and say here go to the town website to see the official information. I think that's appropriate. um you know cuz and it's one because
it's the official platform and two because not everyone I mean I stopped reading Next Door and I was on Select Board for the reasons that were mentioned. Um I would not see the Facebook post for the police department because I don't use Facebook anymore because they're evil. Um so the the town
website is the official venue. I think we should put stuff and then we can opt to use other mechanisms to point to that. So that's my thought >> and that's a great thought and that's kind of you know I think we think very similarly Michael so I think you know you can have your official town position
but I've always said I've said this actually many times when you're communicating information to someone you have to hit them with three different mediums you have to hit them not in one just space and you have to think about you know where are people getting their information at well a lot of people are getting their information on social
media you know and your quality will vary but certainly if we if we don't have a presence then then we're not I don't think helping ourselves. We're not being proactive um in the way that Michael was talking about. So, you know, you can you can have your your dedicated page and then you can do summaries. You
can post those out on different platforms and try to reach a wider audience because I think at the end of the day, people are not reading newspapers very much. We know that sales are down. Um people are not looking, you know, they're not watching the TV as much. They're not listening to radio as
much. They're using these platforms. And if we don't use these platforms, then we're not going to be competitive, you know, and certainly there are many, many towns around us who have social media platforms and handle them very effectively. >> We can use YouTube and they've got too much.
>> Netflix is exactly >> Well, I think I'm speaking opposite to what Haley's suggesting. I mean, I I I don't think anything that the t it's an official town announcement should be on anything other than a town controlled
website. The town owns it, runs it, whatever. I I agree. I don't use Next Door Cherry. I don't I don't use Facebook. You know, I'm on the computer all the time, but I don't use personally don't use either one of those things. And that doesn't mean anything one way. I'm just saying that there are people
like that out there. And I don't I don't really and I agree with Michael. I mean, Facebook's evil. I think frankly. Um, and I don't think the town should have anything to do with supporting it or being part of it or I don't think whether I don't care if everybody in town uses it. It I they they shouldn't
be using it. That's all. It should be I I guess I'm agreeing with what Gail was saying too that anything is official should come from the town itself. >> Um, and then Lesie, go ahead. Um, I would probably actually be able to agree
with what everybody has actually already said >> in some ways and I think that's what's kind of interesting about this issue. Um, everything seems kind of valid there with the caution and also I think an important point about the outreach and I just wanted to make the extra point that
nobody has made yet or they might have made it but it wasn't like an explicit point of theirs. Um, everyone in this room around this meeting is probably a person who would go to the town website and would use these sorts of forums. We're familiar with them, but um,
everybody who isn't here tonight is very possibly somebody who never uses these forums and so we might capture them. And age might also be a factor. just guessing about the um statistics of this meeting. We probably don't represent a
full age spectrum of people and how they use things. So those are just other considerations to think about. >> And just to jump off on that, sorry Leslie, but how do you route people to the website if if they don't know to go there? >> Well, then they might engage in something,
>> put a link there that says Facebook page or you know, you want to go look at the talent information here, go to this website. All these people have the beautiful shoes in the house. >> This is very true. >> But I don't think static links just
don't work though. You have to have more of an active engagement like you know that's I mean companies invest and you know we can debate their morality but companies invest a lot of money in this because that's what gets tracked and that's what gets picked up. you know, if you if you're refusing to use a platform
or if you're just trying to statically engage with people, you're not going to get the participation that I've certainly heard most people in this room say that they they want, which is more engagement at town meeting, which is more engagement in the public. Um, and to really be that welcoming community, and if we're not putting ourselves out
there across various platforms, I don't know that we can address that. I'd like to have you looked at at um other communities using Next Door or Facebook. >> Not specifically Next Door, but I know lots of communities that use Facebook. I
mean certainly obviously Ammer Hadley, South Hadley, Northampton, East Hampton, um even Bernardston, we were the senior center had a Facebook page. So it's it's very common. I would say we're we're probably in the minority honestly in terms of engaging on social. I haven't
looked at this content in the way that we're doing today. Right next to that things on >> Well, actually, since I sub to Ammerst on Instagram, they what they usually do is that they'll post a a portion or the entirety of a public town statement on
the platform and then you get routed to the website if you have more questions. So, it's just a way, like I said, it's just about visibility. You know, it might sound kind of like intimidating or scary because you can't control what people are going to say, but that's the true of these meetings. Somebody could
come here with any kind of opinion and that's their right to vocalize that. >> No, I'd object to that. That's fine. >> Uh Lesie, >> well, Rita asked my one question which is our other towns using it. Uh because
Rita and Susie and I and um I think there was someone else who spoke, Michael, who who who come from an older time when it was interactive and we were very concerned that people
>> posting on Next Door uh would be when you went to their link, you could get to some unsavory or illegal kind of postings, but I think Haley is
saying that only she will be posting and she will be linking it back to our town. So, I for one of us gay-haired people am trying to assimilate into the new world, but I respect Suz's comment the most.
And I think that we would be wise to check with the attorney general to see if there are guidelines or anything that we should know about before we join up. Maybe there something that's preferred at the attorney general's
office with Facebook as opposed to next door >> and it probably changed since 2014. >> Yeah. Technology has definitely changed a lot in 10 years. So, >> Exactly. Exactly. But wouldn't it be wise to check in with them first rather than
>> Yeah. Yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. We should move on. Okay. I think I think we should move on. >> Well, you'll see if there's any more um updates. >> You'll see post on Friday unless I unless I hear otherwise from the AG's
office. >> Okay. before going on Facebook. >> Yeah. Uh it's commonly used in many other towns. Um pretty much every police department has a Facebook. Uh the public library has a
Facebook >> I I think move Yeah, I think moving with with the times it's become more popular. However, I will say I I think that it would be important to adopt some sort of
policy around uh the use of it. Uh just to have guidelines. Um I don't think that would be a bad idea, but yes, it's very common that pretty much every police department I know of has a Facebook. That's such a great segue because once I make the edits to
the personnel policy that we met as a staff to discuss, there is a very clear and explicit policy about social media use. >> Be able to have that as well. >> Perfect. >> Okay, let's move on to the MM MN Spear
Library Reuse Committee presenting their work and findings. the slideboard and it's >> Sydney is gonna gonna start. >> Susie, if you could just project because I know it's um
>> it's hard to hear if you're a ways away from this. The MN Sphere Library Reuse Committee um was um began meeting on September 18th and uh we had a charge to consider comprehensive analysis of potential
reuses for this historic building. And the analysis should include future uses for the municipality including municipal offices and other potential uses by boards, committees, and town organizations.
So we met and part of the impetus of that is that a town building must have at least minimal use to remain insured. Introduce us. >> Okay. and the members of the committee. Um, Rita Ferrell is the chair, Paul
Lions, myself, Susie Moer, Stephen Delmus, Mary Joe Johnson, and Henry Gettys. Um, we started out to gather information. We sent out a survey to all the town departments, boards, and
committees to find out their space needs. We got 17 responses back with many lengthy comments. We have also heard from the community some suggestions for non-governmental uses.
We worked in um meeting every other week and through our discussions it became clear that we needed to consider reuse and use of both the MN Spear building and town hall since one the current use
of space in town hall is not considered adequate for some functions such as the police department, the town clerk's office and record storage and others. And two, if a department presently in town hall
should move to the spear building, that would likely precipitate a reorganization of needed office spaces in the town hall. So after a lot of discussion, um we put
together a table that is a way of comparing um three options to address future municipal needs both of um using both or andor the spear building and
town hall. So, we included a possible revised floor plan for the lower level of town hall if if the police department was to be located relocated there. And we also um gathered a description of
state requirements for procurement procurement and um the use of um prevailing wages. So, probably we're up to Paul's presentation or I don't know if there's any questions
about that much, but that's just the introduction. >> Put the chart up on >> Did you sign into the Okay. see the Haley Bolton square. >> Haley Bolton.
>> Yeah, that's one of those. >> It might be better if you do have the um the options matrix. Can you share? >> It's on the homepage to >> Yeah, it might take me a minute to uh locate it. Um
>> I I'll get it put up. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, I'll just say a couple introductory things while that's happening. Um Paul Lions uh first of all one of the members of the the committee um and we uh we're at the point the committee is at the
point where we felt like we you know we put these three possibilities uh we've identified the three possibilities. We've created this chart to try to you know give us some sense for the pros and cons of each of those. But we really need uh more guidance and input at this
point from the select board as well as the public. we felt. So that's kind of the point we're at in our process. Um so there's yeah there's a chart. Great. So um on the left side you can see the three options that uh that Susie
just identified. uh the spear building becoming a uh just a meeting space only which would require really minimal uh changes um to the spear become a uh police station
and that's in quotes uh because it uh there may be some legal implications for whether it's a just an office space or an actual station. Uh thirdly, a reorganization of town hall. So those are the three options that we're
considering. The matrix uh is meant to uh to basically compare those three options uh um by a number of different variables and that's what you see across the top. Water source needed, septic connection needed and so forth across
the way. So uh let me let me just kind of run across um the chart for number one the spear becoming a a meeting place only. So uh that would require no addition no water source nor a bathroom.
So we don't need um to put in a well. We don't need to connect to a well. We don't need a septic system. So those two are no. The interior renovations would be moderate. And you can see we have a number of footnotes uh that give you some additional information there. So
that footnote says we'd probably want to replace the furnace. uh we'd have to add some technology uh to the building so that um you know we can have hybrid meetings and so forth and we may need some partition walls and some furniture
and so forth. Uh architect needed probably not for for that option. Um additional maintenance course uh costs would be relatively minor for that as well. Um utility costs would be
moderately lower. we felt and and some of these um were were just determinations that the committee uh came to, you know, sometimes pulling them out of the air, you know, sometimes debating them quite a bit and, you know, changing them, going from one to a
moderate to a high and back to moderate and so forth. Uh so, you know, these are, you know, not set in stone by any means. Uh but anyway, we thought that utility costs would be moderately lower. Uh mainly because there would probably
be um less overall use of the building than there was when it was our library just because of the number of hours that the library was open versus the number of hours that it' be used probably for just meeting space. Um does it address
multiple needs? Um not only and we felt this was an important variable because uh uh you know if we can uh accomplish a number of different goals you know um with with these different options then that would certainly be desirable
possible that um the meeting space could be uh could address multiple needs and I don't know Susie if I I don't recall exactly what our discussion was about that about why we said it was possible. Do you want to add anything uh on that one? >> Um well, we know that meeting space has
been um very limited when we had in person. Now that we have hybrid options, um setting up a hybrid meeting space there would offer um meeting spaces for two simultaneous meetings, which is
certainly um common in this town. >> Right. Thank you. um action needed. Do that that variable addresses uh whether um you know we would have to do something regardless you know of of what
option we choose basically uh and in this situation as Susie did mention uh and you can see in footnote number seven just for insurance purposes we need to maintain a minimum level of activity uh in all of our town buildings. So that
that would be a yes. The approximate cost uh and these are very approximate uh we felt this would be the lowest cost and I've already identified the few things that would probably be needed uh you know for a meeting space only. Um
and so those costs would be the lowest of of all three options. So that's how the matrix is set up basically. You can see I won't go through all of them unless you want me to. uh but you can see for the other ones along with the footnotes you know uh how we rated them
the different options and uh and why essentially with with the footnotes. So um again that's where we are right now. Again tell me if you if you'd like to go through you know things in any more detail she go through the other two >> go through the other two. Okay so number
two sphere becomes a police station. We would need to put a bathroom in. Okay, so we'd need a water source. Uh that could be a new on-site well as you can see in footnote number one or uh probably more realistically we could tie
into the existing town hall well which we feel you know would uh is is adequate uh even though it would require you know trenching across the road and piping and and so forth. Um, we would also need a septic connection and um, it would
probably be difficult to get a new septic system put in uh, over there. I think we probably have very high um, uh, ledge. Uh, that would be an issue. We could maybe put a tight tank in, but a more realistic option there might be to
to tie in to the church's septic system. And we have had some preliminary discussions with church officials who were open to the idea. They couldn't commit to it, of course, but uh they were open to further discussion about that. At least interior renovations uh
would be fairly substantial. Um and I should also say that, you know, the the police chief has been uh at several of our meetings, so we've had some some good discussions with with him as well. Uh but as you can imagine, there'd be some substantial renovations needed uh
to make it uh into a police station. We'd probably need an architect. The additional maintenance costs would probably be moderate because the building would be used uh you know um you know a fair amount more than than it has been in the past. Utility costs
would be higher because it'd basically be used all you know most days uh all day long. um it does address multiple needs in that it provides uh you know a more efficient use or or more practical space
for the police department while also freeing up space in this building uh to meet some of the other demands here. uh action needed. Uh yes, of course that you know as I said before we'd have to have some minimal level of activity
there but also um this is not clear at the present time but it's probable based on our discussions with the chief that uh there may be some uh future certification standards or requirements
coming out of the host committee which is the peace officer standards and training uh committee in the state. uh they're they're looking at at options for, you know, what a minimum set of standards might be for police
departments and officers uh as well. Um and the approximate cost would probably be fairly significant, you know, when you add up everything that would need to be done there and we're probably talking about, you know, somewhere in the vicinity of 100,000 or more.
Reorganization of town hall is the third one. Uh we don't need a new water source. We already have one. We already have a septic connection. Interior renovations would be fairly substantial. I mean, if this room that we're sitting in now became the new police station.
Yes. Right. And Right. There is that uh that floor plan that that was developed as one option. Um again, none of this is set in stone. You know, we're we're definitely in the discussion stage and looking for additional input. Uh but um
you know a fair amount of of renovation work would be needed. New walls and and uh security systems and uh window treatments and all kinds of things. So uh renovations would be substantial. We'd probably need an architect. Uh
there'd probably be no additional maintenance costs because the police department's all already in this building anyway. uh utility costs might be moderately and I'm sorry for the misspelling on that higher um mainly because this space
again would be used much more uh in that scenario than it presently is right now we can turn the heat down you know for much of the time when this room is not being used but that would not be the case if the police uh department was here. Uh again it would address multiple
needs because we could start shifting around you know uh different departments in the building. Uh the action needed would be the same. Approximate costs again would be fairly significant. And again we're estimating uh with some
ballpark estimate from a a local architect that we'd probably be talking again about $100,000 or or more. So that's the uh the matrix. Uh that's where we are with it right now at least. Um and we look forward to you
know getting input uh so that we can figure out where to focus our efforts as we move forward. >> I got because I got a bounce. Yep. Um can I ask a question? Are numbers one and three are those inclusive or are they exclusive? Like if we keep it as a
meeting space does that mean that we reconfigure the building or no? I see what you're asking. >> Yeah. Do do that make sense. Are they mutually exclusive? Like if one happens, the other doesn't or they both happen? >> Say that again. If one
you renovate the space to be the police station, does that automatically assume then that we are keeping the library as just a meeting space? >> Uh no, nothing assumptions. Right. >> Right. But um
>> it is true that um in doing our survey study for space use, the police did say they have some pressing uh space needs. >> Um so would event would there be a um
response to do that and if it was three or one? Um but that that's not where we started really. We're trying to figure out how we would do the spear. So, if it was only a meeting space, we would still have other space issues to be addressed
in this town because we haven't addressed them for ever. >> Well, I really appreciate the matrix. I think the only thing I really wanted to offer my two cents about was the fact like I'm just wondering how if it's a meeting space and somebody has to go to
the bathroom, are they crossing that street to get here and then going? >> Yeah, exactly. my question. >> Yeah. >> And there's >> so I think we were um thinking in terms of you know if you have a meeting space for two hours so
you know typically you know like what is the likelihood that people are not Yes. you'd have to get up. It's like Maryanne when she had to go to the bathroom she was working in the library. Yes. She'd cross cross the street. So, it's it's not ideal, but you know, the expense of
putting in a bathroom for a space that you're not using constantly is is significant enough that I don't think it it warrants putting, you know, you're talking tens of thousands of dollars they need for septic and water there.
And my last question is, I don't want our police chief to have this TV. So, where would something like this setup go? >> Sorry, what? But that's coming with me. >> Well, your office >> we discussed having we discussed having
meeting spaces in different ways. One, we have the technological parts to have a setup over there that and it wouldn't take it out of here if we took um if we didn't set that up. Let's see what was
the last one. We've when we reorganize this building, we could also imagine having this not this being the police space because it's the biggest one and then setting up a meeting space upstairs um if we wanted to have a hybrid thing there. So, we there's still a lot of
options here. >> No, we didn't talk about using the senior lounge area. >> We did about dividing. We had a wall here and then that was divided in half. Yeah, see that? >> I I don't remember it that way. And in fact, when I went to talk to um the
council on aging, we did not have that idea floated to them. So, we did talk about the possibility of a meeting room either in the current police station or the board, the room that has consu.
So, we talked about setting up another meeting space so that there would be two um spaces that could be used at the same time. And and this equipment is only one of two sets. I don't know the size of the television for the other one. >> We do have another set though. So in
theory, we could already have that set up. >> Right. I do want to just comment on one of your your comments, uh, Haley, related to, you know, people have to cross the street. you know, if we went with option one, we did, you know, the committee um wanted to make sure we were
not making any recommendations at this point, but we did basically come to an agreement that having a bathroom in the Spear building >> uh pro provides us with many more options than without. So, so we wanted
to put that out at least just so everyone was aware that, you know, it would be desirable even though we're not recommending it. But now, >> you could always incorporate that. >> But if it did have a bathroom, then it'd have to have heat that would not deal that would deal with water freezing and
and without a bathroom there, the heat is is turn it off when you leave. >> Would we have to >> You still have to maintain it. You couldn't shut it off. Well, just basically >> the compost one is that that's still >> it does function. >> That's not very function biohazard.
>> Come and speak to if you like to about that >> and all is locked. Uh people if there's not two meetings going on at once, they might not have access to this building for a bathroom. >> We have to do that scheduling especially on a week. That's too important.
I'm gonna sit over there so I can drive the meeting since you and I since you're ducky link. >> Thank you for letting me go first with the questions. >> You're welcome. >> I'll see you all at on 7:15. >> Okay. >> Yeah, she's just she's at a fin meeting.
You're not at it. >> Okay. my my tools here. Brennan, are you able to drive? >> Am I able to drive? >> Yeah. Can Are you able to drive the meeting? I know there's one person in the awaiting room. >> Um, let's see.
>> I don't want to touch anything here. Oh, wait. >> Hold on. I got it. All right. Um, >> I think
a moment here. Okay. I have no one in the waiting room on here. Okay, perfect. All right. Um, does the select board have any questions for the committee before we open up to public?
I was on the committee. All right. So, let's open it to the public. I did see this gentleman in the hand. You all say your name and your name. My name is Richstein. Um I have two questions for me to come. Um the first two options on the chief are actually
guidance. >> Yes. >> Um do we know what the well situation is for the church? Would we be able to buy into that to get water to do or would we have to >> drill our own? >> We'd have to drill our own. It's they
have >> we're tie into the towns. >> That's that's the town's well they're connected to. >> So that's our that's the town's well. Yeah. It's not >> the town's well, but it's a shallow well. Okay. >> And and it also um has has PAS in it.
So, you know, it would either be a new well or we tie into the one over here. Now if we do the second option will we have to change the footprint at all >> of the library itself would >> be able to would it be able the foundation be able to change what load
we're going to have put on >> good because of the books that it was holding yeah >> yeah is >> but good question is Stephen Stephen are you with us this evening yes would be a great question for you to address
>> well um I would say that the first is that as a library the structure would have been designed to handle the bookload. Um but also I don't know how recently but there has been some what I
would refer to as pretty substantial structural renovations that uh you can see when you're in the basement or crawl space area. So, I would be surprised. I mean, could have a structural engineer do load calculations, but I'd be surprised if there was any need to
increase the structure. And I just like to make a comment about your question about the town. Well, um when we had a meeting with some of the uh individuals associated with the church, if my memory is correct, within the last seven years,
there have been two years where that well has gone dry in the summer for a significant period of time. So that was that ruled that out as a option to tie into. >> That was a good question.
>> Um, anybody else? Let's uh Gail. >> Yeah, I was curious about um Haley's question really about uh the mutuality or or the possibility of joining two and three that the police be in the M and
Spear and still have reorganization of town hall. I'm thinking particularly of town clerk and and uh records going into what's now the police >> suite uh etc.
If if two and three are couldn't be happening at the same time. >> They could they could and and and I actually I I think that there's probably different combinations still available. We were just trying to look at what each one would involve, but they're not
exclusive. Yeah, thank you. >> Mary Lou, Mary Lou. There she comes. Just she unmuted herself. >> Go ahead, Mary Lou. I'll go to We'll come back to you, Mary
Luke. Um Leslie, >> thank you. the police uh garage as we as it might be called over here. Would that be moved also or would that stay on this side if
the library were to be converted to a police would have to move? >> That might be a good question to hold on to. >> Yeah, we didn't address that when we we talked about it. You know, one of the issues with um
uh with the town, it's this is the town common. So, anytime you're doing anything to the to the town common, um like adding another structure, it could be an issue. Um so,
uh I'm not sure we would want to put that over there. >> Good question. To keep in the hop, I think to explore that. >> Keep in the hop. >> Yeah. I wrote it down. Thank you. >> And I I understand there is an urgent need for the safety services to have a
better location than they have. I mean, it's it's not so by the time you hire a architect and put in a bathroom and water,
this really gets away from use of the spear buildings. So, I hate to even bring it up, but I've always thought that the safety services would be better located either at the highway
location or fire location. And now that we've got lot 032, is there space left on that? But an addition on either fire station or highway for long term is is more in keeping with our town
common. And so maybe it makes sense to put in that water and bathroom regardless to make the spear building useful for the long term for any use. But
also to consider, is that the appropriate location for long-term use of the police or should we be focusing our funds immediately on getting the police down to a more appropriate location?
I don't have any answers. It's just >> big picture. >> You just expanded our view. Well, you have to look long term. >> Yeah. No, I I It's why we started looking at this building, too. We
expanded our own scope. So, >> and and we would lose the one big room. It we already lost it in half when the Council on Aging. Well, before when they put in the divider and then put in the the air unit, it used to be that we
could open it up and have a big meeting room there. Yeah, we do have a library now. And we do have the elementary school. So, >> that's not the same as in the same building where the officials are all located because of meetings. I'm I'm
just asking questions and thinking long term. >> Thank you, Lesie. Thanks. >> I saw someone else's scanned >> here. But no, Michael Terry. I saw Tom. >> Yeah, Mike's well. I don't know. >> Okay. Um, go ahead, Tom.
>> Okay. Um, I have a few and someone might not have any answers. It's okay. But is there a deadline to make a decision on this? >> No. Okay. >> No. I what we saw this really as an interim report. >> Okay. and and I think you know if if the
select board chooses um you know the next step would probably entail spending some money. So um you know we everything could be done all of this work without spending anything you know uh we got
some professional guidance from um a uh sanitary engineer for free but if we were going to start doing some analysis around the septic or or the well you know we might have to engage somebody
and um and then if we wanted to to get some preliminary designs. Again, that's going to cost money, but we needed some some guidance really from the, you know, to hear back from people and guidance from the the board.
>> Um, can I just play a little bit of devil's advocate for the meeting space option and on the table, not necessarily advocating for it, but um the footnote number three about requiring a furnace technology and partition walls was only put on that option. Would it apply to
all options or to any Well, would it apply also to converting it to the police station? >> Oh, >> like the one I don't know might belong also there and not putting it there creates a an imbalance in looking at the comparison of number one and number two.
Um the moderate increase in maintenance costs as a police station. I wanted to question whether that might actually be like more than moderate. But um and if it's
considered a yes for the police station option to address multiple needs by freeing up more space, why is it not just a yes as well for number one? Because it would technically free up more space and allow for some things. the possible the word possible is just
it's it's an odd word for a yes no column and it leaves that option not to >> speak as clearly as the other options with nos or yeses. Um, and again just for double advocacy, uh, could a compost
toilet be made that does work because I know they exist in other buildings, but I don't know this building situation. >> They are they are they are it's a biohazard Tom and so for the person has to handle it. >> Okay. And the whole presentation would help just me as a reader if I did see an
option that was explicit about doing nothing to the sphere building. not just a fan of um seeing like explicitly all options when presented with the something like this or if there might even be an option C around that existed.
Um but those are just my reactions to the presentation of the information. Um >> in the introduction we said that isn't an option to do nothing. It would lapse the insurance. So if you >> Yeah, I picked up on that. I want >> So that's why it's not an option to do nothing. I think it would help though
just for the public to see that even if it were like listed out as a you know no um just just remarking as a document. >> Yeah. I mean it could be you know record storage you know with people going over there periodically to be enough activity for insurance. Uh
>> yeah I'm not sure what what the refinement is. Yeah. Thank you. >> Okay. Um, was there any question other questions or comments on screen or in the region?
>> Okay. >> I do want to say we are continuing to figure this out and that we do need input both from the select board and um it does not look like we'll be making any kind of recommendation for this town
meeting. it's too soon and the the uh options are not sketched out well enough to to make a specific money request. Um but we will continue to think about it and think of how to best use spaces in the town. >> Is there an insurance deadline where we
have to have it in some sort like you know before they assess it as unused building? >> Well, you know I think still been going in. >> Okay. No, that's fine. That's fine. have a slight word meaning in there occasionally too with chairs. Right. >> Right. Yeah. >> We'll figure it out.
>> Right now, we're still sort of using it. So, the library still had things in there. So, I just don't want to make sure. >> Yes, that's slowing down and we need >> a few file folders over there. I can't raise my hand for some reason,
but I would like to say that it's possible that it's still the building of the library trustees and if they had a shelf of books in there called it the library annex uh the library or something like that,
>> right? Okay. >> Yes. I just don't want to miss that. >> Yes. Yeah. Correct. I I would like just to you know build on what Susie said that you know the committee I mean I I think in terms of a timetable I think we're supposed to be done in February
this past yeah but we're we're eager to zero in and move forward and we're at somewhat of a standstill right now not knowing which option to really pursue because it's going to require a fair amount more work you know especially getting you know more uh firmer dollar
figures on some of the work that's required. So the sooner we can get some marching orders on which option to you know really pursue the better. >> Would you accept all options in the one two three that you have here
>> possibly I don't I don't think this is this is the end. So yeah, I think and so the public needs to send us stuff. But I also want to go back to the first part where when we surveyed the town, there are plenty of municipal needs that have to be met. And that's one of the reasons
we've headed in this direction >> and regardless of what they are, I truly believe the long for the long-term use of that building, it has to have water and a bathroom. And then it could be anything at any time. could start as a police office and
then graduate to office space or you know all the other things that you have but it needs water in a bathroom. It's always been said. We also talked about any kind of
solution could roll out in stages. If we just did option one, it doesn't preclude other efforts in the future. And um I know that nobody here has a lottery ticket that'll make it happen, but um it it would be a process that there's some
things you could move forward with and then you could change directions and or continuing in a different there's nothing that would preclude further development in from number one >> and there's nothing that pursues us too for whatever decision we make. We raised funds for a new library
building. We can raise funds for renovation of the MN spear library. Right. >> I mean maybe maybe if that if that is the direction if whatever if we say we
need to have water and a bathroom um maybe uh the first thing we investigate is is what would that what would the cost of that be? So um and that would be
engaging our sanitary engineer because that's the you know that's a big nut. Um and then you know getting beyond that but that's that's going to that's going to entail some cost. I don't you know
it's not a lot but it's some soil testing um some engineering some some evaluation of the existing septic system at the at the church which probably would need to be
upgraded. I imagine it's not going to be I don't know when that that septic system was put in but anytime you start you know adding stuff >> don't ask don't tell No, no, we we'd have to get permits. So,
um, and then, you know, putting running a line over here. Um, so if that's the case, maybe we could get an estimate of what that cost would be. Step 10 is do that. I don't Does that sound reasonable
to the We have our whole committee is here. Um because we're going to be meeting again just about that. I thought the water meter here had a meter on it. It doesn't. I'm going to ask a plumber to put a meter on it because one thing we
have to calculate for the health department is usage of toilets here and there to see if the system will take it. So that's that's a a wild card here. It might it might be big enough. >> If the well here is sufficient to like add the
>> septic the sewers the tank out there for all the >> we would choose a septic here. We would use the septic all >> this the old I'm sorry the old building would you said a line here. So the water >> okay because the old buildings committee
said this might be large enough for and all you'd have to do is put a line from there to here for the center >> to the center. Yeah. The the problem with the septic from there to here is that when we talked to
uh Cold Spring Environmental Nice, >> he said it's very expensive to do. you'd have to have pumping. And he said, "It's it's it's complicated and um you'd be far better off if we put back into the
existing septic right pumping things because pumped in 4,000 4,000 ft down the street and was just digging out putting in a well this big in their sewer system. Wasn't that expensive." So if the new
pump systems were high pressure all that they masserate also that's why I asked him >> it was obviously more than just the bumping I'm sure but that that was Allen's recommendation >> and knowledgeable and he's he's done a lot of stuff in shoots so he just said
>> I wouldn't I wouldn't rely upon the septic system over here water is one thing but here is already a septic system on the common um and if you could take advantage of that. So, um, so maybe
that's I mean the committee is going to meet again next week, I think. Um, so we can talk about that and maybe we have time, you know, to get a little bit of money. Um, pay for Allen because
>> town meeting >> the town meeting this money. >> We'll figure out what the questions are. >> Yeah. Um but it definitely helps to know which direction we're moving in. >> Right. And >> yeah, >> one thing I I didn't I failed to mention
the very last column which was is grant money available and that's something else that we are we are pursuing and the chief is as well >> and I I I did some research and I as I think I mentioned to the committee at the last meeting, you know, unless there's housing or
>> um economic development, there really isn't anything for straight out municipal buildings right now, right? Just quickly, Henry Getting uh reuse commission library. Um there may be ways of getting funding
specifically for historic organization. However, at this point, it would require being designated. It's all designated the whole area as a historic don't have.
So that's something to look also in towards the future that possible. It's a huge effort to do that. >> That's something in the tool chest. >> Yeah.
>> So the select board is on board with us pursuing looking at the water and sifting the water. >> Yeah, certainly. Um and yeah, I think I think it does need to have water. Yeah. it. Yeah,
that's a good starting point. >> Okay, >> it's a little marching order, but I'm going to take it. Stop. >> Yeah, we'll take that for now and then I'd like a chance to look over for other, you know, to think about it a little bit. >> I'd like to hear more. >> Okay. >> Okay.
>> These could be up in the hallway for other people coming through. >> Okay. Yeah. >> All right. Another thing about cost effectiveness is the finance and capital plan committees would have better input. But maybe at
some point we decide that building is not a functional building for the town and try to sell it and put that money toward a police station at the highway or fire or lot 032.
burn down by lightning. >> All right. All right. I'll make a motion to >> All right. All those in favor I >> thank you so I thank you everyone.