I'm good how are you former counsel hey I went down your street on the way here former former okay hello Mr Frost calling the meeting to order let's rise for a flag salute
please denn us I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all good job Mr Mayor you got all right
um city clerk Keith and have a roll call please council member depan F council member Dill here council member G here council member Johnston here council member mcgan here council
member Owen here council president habber horn present also present as mayor tap city administrator Frost city clerk Keith city solicitor Smith city engineer Schneider pursuing to the open public
meetings act adequate notice of this meeting has been provided this agenda the agenda for this meeting is posted in City Hall and on a city's website Summers Point gov.org pursuing to city code
a266 d8p and to afford everyone an opportunity to address the governing body the public may speak only one time and not to exceed three minutes tonight we have a presentation we're going to
open up the meeting with uh Keith Davis Esquire and Mr John Worthington in regard to 90 Broadway Mr Davis uh thank you council president good evening mayor members of council keth Davis uh nean Davis and
Goldstein on behalf of exor Building Solutions LLC John wolfington uh is here on behalf of the company um you may recall this is U the property is located at 90 Broadway uh we were here before Council last year we made a presentation
with our professional team uh to propose the demolition of the existing 17 residential units on the property and to construct in its place uh what we believe is a very aesthetically attractive high-end um luxury town home
uh development uh that will take advantage of the bay views uh and be a positive addition uh for the city of Summers Point since that time we have had uh multiple discussions with uh the city's staff about the form of The
Proposal um and we're here tonight to present a similar concept with some changes originally we asked Council to consider including a five-year tax abatement as part of the Redevelopment plan we have rescinded that request and
are now proposing that all the units be taxed typically as they would um in terms of ADV valorum taxation uh secondly um as you recall the site we are asking uh to have included is Point Avenue or the former right of way known
as Point Avenue um I'm sure this brings up some bad memories because this was a deed that Council executed many years ago there was a reversion provision Council was paid some $334,000 I believe for that strip of
land ultimately the development did not proceed and as a result that strip reverted back to the city so the city now owns that piece of real estate as part of the Redevelopment plan process we are requesting uh that the city convey that strip of land so can be
included as part of the overall development tract um originally we did not propose any consideration but our client is willing to uh uh provide consideration of $100,000 for that strip of land which would be additional Revenue going to the
city of Summers Point um finally we're uh altering the unit count to 25 units and by doing so uh that generates an affordable housing obligation of five low and moderate income units uh which
the city can use as part of its outstanding obligations to satisfy its affordable housing obligations um we are proposing that the Redevelopment provide that that that those units must either be satisfied on the development site or offsite at a
mutually agreeable location between the city and the redeveloper um so that we have some flexibility in terms of how that obligation is satisfied we certainly acknowledge it and recognize it's something that should be incorporated into a Redevelopment plan
so to update uh Council and members of the public as to the nature of the proposal um I wanted to bring our architect uh Steve Fenwick first uh as our witness uh then uh Mr art our planner and engineer who is working with
our office on the Redevelopment plan we'll be handling the cfra application and then lastly uh the applicant uh Mr wolfington so if I could bring Steve up for a few questions certainly yeah if you can up um we are passing out reduced size
sets for the governing body to review while we're presenting the board materials but they they mirror what we are now handing out we anyway so Steve you're working with ex on the yes indeed can you describe to the
board what your concept uh yes I'm do I need the mic I do right so can I pick it up and as long as it works not going to go very far doesn't go very far it's more for recording than anything yeah it's more for recording than should be okay oh you know yeah there you go J
thank you did you did so uh what I'm going to refer to um Keith Davis passed you and those 11 by 17 copies it's the same information okay identical first
lay cons okay so there are 20 25 uh townhouse units so there's really 23 Town un two two single units on the bay and
um they're all designed carefully to uh capture the views and to provide uh uh a nice aspect of living to provide adequate parking uh and Calon
open space uh and Views uh both to Broadway as well as to the Bay you know across Broadway to The Meadows which is very nice so to get you oriented this is the entrance on Broadway there's very similar two
similar rows of town homes here and then there's two singles on the B there's a common swimming pool there is some guest parking and uh there's parking for every unit on the way and there um they're
designed as four bedroom units the ground level meets all the flood regulations uh so it's parking uh storage and access to your unit it's limited to that in fact um yeah we're off yeah uh well maybe
I'll let John talk about the doc and Marina um but we're offering a swimming pool and some common area um gazebo place to sit barue have Burger so to jointly uh from these 25 units uh
share the The View ums of the design I have a an early schematic uh drawing it's a contemporary look uh ground LEL
again and entry primary deck is uh for the uh room living room of Master and um basically everything is
oriented so every unit gets a view primarily to the the bay and then and then there are decks and windows to on the backs of these units and uh I
also uh brought um a drawing um showing photographs of the existing Ral units that are there now just for context um maintenance associated with them and
the need of an upgrade yeah I mean they they certainly don't meet flood requirements I mean goodness you know if there was a serious flood they'd be seriously damaged and uh although their grandfather bothered in uh they don't meet current building codes you
know wind and uh such so um that's our presentation uh I I think it's a great project I think it's a beautiful site in the city I think Broadway is a great Street and uh this will be big addition to it it'll pump it
up I have a good friend who lives there and he thinks it's a great idea any questions for St any question for Ste um what's the roof height oh good question but it I don't have it with me um but
it's a it's basically a four-story building it meets the height and then from the uh from the water the state D has a uh a sight line slope back requirement so we meet all of
that but we will meet all the Redevelopment code and uh basically meeting the municipal requirements for height it's three stories over par yes yes indeed because your primary
living dining kitchen is up we did specify development we submitted what is I top of my head but that's something okay I'd like
bring that's correct in terms of what Mr said the Des and the lay from engineering stand um will yeah absolutely the the the layout that Mr F has developed is not too dissimilar from what was originally
approved on this site um I mean the orientation building is a little bit different but um we have a a two-way access you know in and out onto Broadway Avenue um we will meet all the parking standards that the ordinance uh requires um We Will We Will um me all the storm
water management regulations that per the njde and the City of Summers Point um we will appropriately address trash and um and circulation and lighting and and all the things that are in a major site plan application um we are working
as as you know we're here to discuss the uh the Redevelopment plan portion of of moving this project forward and as you heard um Mr Davis described Redevelopment plan has a number of different elements to it um tax abatements all the things that you heard
Mr Mr Davis mention um we're at a point now with this Redevelopment plan is really we're looking for a Redevelopment plan to create flexibility in design um all the things that developers generally seek through a Redevelopment plan our client is is not pursuing any longer um so um the development of zoning controls
that work with this project that makes it that obviously makes Council uh and your planning uh board comfortable is what we are seeking with the creation of this Redevelopment plan um the underlying zoning um permits something very similar to what we are proposing there are some modifications necessary
as compared to the underlying zoning um but as you as I'm sure you probably all know uh we did have a 24 unit approval uh 24 unit approval on this on this property before uh so it's very very similar in density as to what U the the prior projects were that unfortunately
did not move forward so um from a Redevelopment perspective I I think that that our request is very much appropriate um Keith Keith mentioned men earlier uh Mr Fenwick with regard to the existing conditions of the site um the buildings on that site are not compliant
in any regard with regard to flood uh with regard to current building code um they are certainly not indicative of of the the beautiful character of Broadway and all the other properties that sit along Broadway so this site really truly is the definition of a Redevelopment
site so we believe that a Redevelopment plan is very much appropriate here and because of the minor requests that come along with the Redevelopment plan with our this specific client um we think it's a relatively uh uh minor request uh in moving that forward um our go our
next step assuming that we're we're able to um move the Redevelopment plan onto a uh first reading of council uh in the near future our next step um will be to start moving forward with the njd application because that is a long lead item as you know um the project does
require a c for individual permit and we will also be seeking a waterfront development permit um to allow us to have uh boat boat slips or or moing facilities uh at the site um the uh that application will
take us probably six to seven months maybe maybe a little bit longer if we hit any specific pitfalls along the way um a couple of the elements of that application that I just want to briefly discuss is with regard to the docs that Mr Fenwick mentioned um we are going to seek a boat slip for each of the units
so it'll be one slip per unit um we don't know if we'll be successful in getting that count um because of the marina regulations per in that are in the njd rules um but that is what we are going to seek uh they would go with the units they are not intended to be for rent um they would be deeded with each
of the units um and not be uh run as a public marina by any fashion and then the second item I just did want to mention is with regard to um there's a public access component that has to be complied with when you make a d application um we've been successful on
a couple of recent projects uh where the where the department recognizes that providing Public Access on a private piece of property like like like this type of project really might not necessarily be appropriate so what they're starting to um be a little bit
more amendable to is um they have a formula in which we develop basically a cost that if we were to develop Public Access on this site what would it cost to do that to meet the regulations and then we can work in Partnership our client can work partnership with the
city to develop an off-site project um in and and those funds can be allocated toward that project the trick to that in many locations that we've worked on is that it needs to be on the same Waterway and close proximity to the project so many times that's not easy to do because you're surrounded by other private
developments in this specific case we have the benefit of the park immediately adjacent to us so when we get into that process what we'd like to do is talk you know is is is talk to the city about what maybe some needs or wants are in that in that Park area once we Define what the requirement is for this project
then we could help develop that project uh and move that forward as a as a uh as a condition of our cafer permit so um that is just one other element that I just did want to mention so our request
allues that is correct that's all I have just uh you uh you don't see any issues with the uh layout of this this entrance and exit do you from a traffic perspective yes sir no I do not I I
think it's the most appropriate way to do it the separate in Ingress and egress um the way that units are designed um side triangles will be will be maintained um it is it is we believe the the the safest and best solution for access to the site and each each unit
has its own garage according to the rendering and uh I'm sorry if I if you said this already but uh how many bedrooms in each one of these units four four bedrooms per unit thank you I I have a question uh what does
building three and building four represent single family I'm sorry those are two they are deted from theom but they will
main ownersh okay sep comp going back to the boat uh slips for a moment you you talked about them not being for rent and to be tied into each
unit is that something that uh if if this were to move forward uh that we could get in some sort of deed restriction or and you'd be amable to that right but I would rather see it in a in a deed restriction because the
condo documents could just be changed by a vote of the condo board thank you any other questions from the governing body thank you let me first ask you why why city um it's a great site so uh I've
been coming to Summers point in the Jersey Shore my entire life seen this site before many times um the opportunity came up when I met John John fultz the current owner who said John I'd like to sell the site um and he had some false starts and I
said well I think it's a beautiful site I love the site and I'd like to work with you to try to put something together to uh purchase the site and redevelop the site so I worked out a deal with John and uh here we are today um we we we signed an agreement with
John say just about a year ago and um and then we started the development process and started working with everyone in summers point but I love Summers point I like the New Jersey Shore I've been coming to the shore my entire life um you know I want to own a
house here so I think it's a great site I really love it uh and then and you know we think it's uh gonna just be a great project to do so and it's uh you know that's how we feel and I know
you've been a lot dat in the site that's correct so we're hoping to try to move forward uh you know I know we been going back and forth with a lot of different issues with the site and trying to
um do certain things I know the fair housing peace fit was a big issue and uh you know hopefully you know we can we've addressed that in in in a good fashion for for Council and um yes we'd like to
move forward' working on it a long time um appreciate working with Council and uh yes we'd like to introduce it at the next available meeting no just great working with everyone uh I'm I'm still getting to know everyone here so uh but everyone I
do know so far it's been a pleasure and enjoy working with you and uh you know we oh yeah absolutely like we're building another project right now just to bring it up in uh limbwood uh peace we bought from Sean scattero Scarboro
sorry I always say it wrong but uh and we just started going vertical on that project so you're glad to go look at it uh we just put it in all our foundations now they're they're finally going going up it's kind of been a bad winter it's slowed us down a little bit with the weather but that project's actually
moving forward right now um and uh we're working on other projects uh in the city that we hope to get started very soon too so we're really excited we're excited with to have the relationship with the city and uh and and move
forward yeah that's it have a question over here yeah I just have one more question with dealing with site uh with building and everything the elevation have to be lift uh raised at all um with with with with with today's uh
building codes just curious so the site elevation won't be modified too much the site's not really big enough to elev it much right we will elevate it slightly just to get like the garage floors and such out as much out of Harm's Way as we can sure but the buildings will have to
fully comply the finished fls will be up about the uh standard right with with the runoff going towards the the basins catch basins I can I can see that in the plan right and then the the prior project connected to an across the
street probably go in the same the same plan of attack as far as out storm okay great thanks so the uh affordable units on site you talked about there's there there's 25 units total five affordable units they're for sale units
correct if they're uh if they're on site is yes if we're able to work out something for offsite I think we have some flexibility I think we have flexibility on it correct okay but just theoretically if they're on site they would be for sale units right so when they when they uh
are sold they become full uh members of the cono uh Condo Association just like anybody else right amenities available to everybody else
okay correct and and the restrictions on that owner who takes possession of that they can't just sell it in five next year or five years or you I maybe that's not a question for now but just just I'm just curious by
that because obviously that's going to be a very attractive place to live and if I have a unit that I paid a little bit less so restriction that is key they can be included part of your affordable housing
PL lows is income restriction yeah so there are guidelines based upon the average salaries in summers point in the region they pick the a median and then figure out what the percentages are and you have to qualify so there's probably
going to be a lottery process that people have to submit an application for in order to qualify to own in this community so you you will manage that but we'll work with you
and and to be able to implement it to make sure it's done in a way that satisfies your affordable housing obligations okay well we'll have to get input from our our side of the fence I guess on how that would actually go I don't you know I I've never given that much thought cities have their own
Consultants yeah that we'll work with we'll put together a plan has to be accept consult yeah and then we'll Implement their supervision okay okay thank you so and obviously you sort of stated that's not your first
choice to have them on site that's correct okay right Howard yeah I do have one question uh several months ago we had people who currently live in the apartment complex down there uh what is the update on any progress that's been
made or any type of situation as as as of today okay yeah so so the update on uh tenant Uh current tenants in the building there are I think about seven tenants still in the building uh the current owner uh
John Foltz has uh executed an agreement with those tenants he's given them additional free rent he's return their uh security deposits with interest and giving them additional free rent to stay for a longer period of time in the
building uh he actually wrote up an agreement some of the some of the tenants actually had attorneys review that agreement uh and the attorney signed off that it's okay to sign um everyone has signed that agreement
there are I think three tenants who have not signed the agreement um John I was told from John that the three tenants who have not signed H uh he could did not get in touch with or they have not returned his calls so uh for what reason that is I'm
not sure um but uh I think those tenants have not you know were probably eight months behind on the rent too so John thinks that's why they did not call him because he
thinks he's calling them to get the back do rent but uh that's what I've been told from John so the uh the you know I'm not I'm not front lines with that issue but uh John folz is
um and uh we are currently uh working on getting uh some agreements signed now we're trying to be fair to everyone at you know as we can I have to work with John folz because he's still the current owner but we're trying to be as Fair as
we can okay I all I wanted was an update it is being worked on I'm satisfied with your response thank you all right thank you do we have any more questions no if not thank you very much very good thank you very much for your time thank you
app all right thank you thanks I do have a question for the audience real quickly does that help to have the renderings out towards where you can see okay so in the future try to make sure we do this all
the time when we have people coming in so thank you a minute set good thank you all right going back to the agenda here uh does anyone have any Communications not seeing any
Communications I would like to refer over to Mayor tap for his mayor's report oh thank you you're welcome sir uh just real fast I have a couple things uh actually today uh uh our city engineer myself Jason Frost uh County engineer
and a couple of the businesses uh we were all getting together we are looking at the improvements through that we received a grant for improvements a Shore Road uh which a lot of it has to do with uh
replacing sidewalks uh handicap ramps uh Crossing um uh new crosswalks some safety lighting for the crosswalks and as well as we had a couple businesses come in which is Gregor's as well as Josie
Kelly's and through this grant we are looking to put a uh type of like raw iron fence a low barrier so that way it would prevent anyone from coming out of those two establishments you know you go there you get liquored up and you walk right in Shore Road and get killed and
we're looking to prevent that uh so that something that we were looking at something decorative with planners try to make it look very nice that would go from delare Avenue to Summers um and we're I'm actually very excited about that I think it's going to
really clean that area up very nicely uh also since we had the County engineer he believes that work will soon start on the repaving of MacArthur to Annie uh as you know you come out of Ocean City or coming up MacArthur you go up Shore Road
you know it's uh like landmines went off there and then I know that they've been doing the best to patch it but it definitely needs to get done uh we did find out that there is a collapsed uh storm drain that will have to get repaired so that's going to help a little bit with some of the flooding that might be some of the cause for for
this to happen but he's thinking within you know 30 to 60 days they might be able to get something started there they're waiting for the warm weather they already uh gave the asphalt contract out to arak and uh now the warm weather's here as they're going to get ready to go and then lastly I just want
to give a uh a thank you to our uh to the tax office you know everybody got a report here and between Lisa King and emerald Hornick we got a collection rate of 98.59% which is a great collection rate
you have absolutely no idea you know before some of you guys were on Council I know Kirk and I were on Council back in the day where collection rates were so low that all the councilmen were actually out calling businesses up and saying listen you got to you got to get money in we got to get our and this would start in November so that way we
can get all the money in you know and both and that office you know they aggressively tackled collections by means I mean they would we mail out you know the monthly ma mailings of past due notices emails and they made the personal phone calls so I want to take this opportunity to thank them they did
a great job it helps us out so much with the budget and with that I have nothing else thank you mayor t uh Mr Frost do you have anything to add uh nothing this evening sir nothing this evening Mr
solicitor yes please discuss concin number2 AMR coordinates amach
in it essentially what it's going to be is that the loan amount for the parking lot is to be changed from 1747 I 2 million
and 1.22 million all language referencing work on 2.3 million baby going to be R that's of loan and that's
not with you I did take time but it's not significant enough that going to to amce it then you're going to amend it you need a motion to amend and once
that's amended then V on so that's that's where we're at on that and I apologize for getting back to sooner on this council president this came in late yesterday and I was
out of the office all so when we get to ordinance number six it is the second reading yes we go through the whole process of the second reading and then we do what you just outlined yes so I am going to ask you
for assistance to make sure we follow every step in accordance what you suggested and I always prer not okay thank you are we I'm confused are we amending and reintroducing it or
amending are we amending it and reintroducing it or speak up he just you and me here are you are you are we amending it to reintroduce it or well we're going to amend it once you amend it it's significant enough that it has
to be okay thank you all right okay so when you say it has to be republished just for my simple mind here that did we vote on that tonight to republish or do we vote on it to go ahead we're gonna vote to amend it and become a first
reading on the amend motion so then we amended so then we do not vote on ordinance number six to accept correct got okay okay right now that's as clear as mud to me so please make sure that we go
through that that's okay I just want to make sure that we follow the rules and do everything appropriately thank you you have anything else sir no that's not enough that's enough seems like enough to me thank you Thomas so that means we don't
have a public portion on it tonight then that's thank you thank you Mr Gary it's okay apologize M Mr Schneider what would you like to talk about tonight uh mayor stole my about short road
pedestrian mer yeah mer wiber all right all right um but yeah that project will get started soon um be great to see that going forward the ballad Drive repaving project started construction with concrete work this week that'll take two
to three weeks and then repaving will be uh probably mid to late April and that's it can I ask a question um and I know this is the state but rout uh by the golf course I know that's going to be repaved do you have any timing on that people are asking uh I
don't have a time frame but typically they have to wait at least 90 days for it to settle right it's going to be at least 90 days okay I assume it's going to be after then the summer because they're not wanting to close the road or traffic so it probably be in the fall
okay it's nice that that is back isn't it it is very nice and the tunnels are really beautiful if anybody get a chance to look they're really nice they did a really nice job really nice over there so anything else Mr Snider no that's all
right uh moving on does anyone have any committee reports they'd like to share tonight yeah council president go ahead Mr D yes on uh Tuesday March 4th at 10:00 a.m. uh myself along with Don dun Ley from Fire Company number one Steve
horning from Public Works Jason Frost the administrator and chief Sweeney from fire company number two met with the New Jersey state forestry service and officer Burch was the gentleman we spoke to uh we discussed in detail both a
controlled burn and a mechanical clearing uh the areas that we touched on were kerfield and the surrounding wooded areas around kerfield defo Lane uh both on the wooded area behind the tennis
courts as well as behind the sewer plant alongside the sewer plant area and uh the Kennedy Park uh Bank area uh we we discussed the control burn and we have gotten on the State schedule excuse me
for uh the spring of 20126 uh they the state forestry will be in charge of the uh the controlled burn and just to let the citizens know it's something that we've never done before and uh based on the conditions of those
wooded areas is something that's sorely needed in addition to a control burn he also discussed a mechanical burn or a me mechanical clearing which could start as early as this summer based on their schedules and that's just strictly
Machinery coming in and cutting down uh wooded areas and things of that nature that they can reach um and one thing we have to do I heard on the news today that we're at High fire risk okay in New Jersey so this is long overdue it will be something that's
controlled by the state and they've been very successful for a lot of years doing it in other municipalities the key thing for us was that a we're on the list for the spring of 2026 and the fact that uh they may be G be able to come in and do some
mechanical clearing for us starting this summer that's all I have Mr D if you'll keep us up to date on that because I think that's a uh critical issue that we had let all our residents around there know when we're in there doing that stuff because there is activity I I most I most certainly
will uh I know that the chief Sweeny uh along with the mayor I don't want to leave him out the mayor had requested this to be looked into and uh Chief Sween is pretty much heading this up and I've told him that any changes or even if they're just going to come in and do
mechanical clearing that uh we the city should be notified of an in advance and as far as the uh controlled burn is uh in the spring uh there'll be extensive advertising and things of that nature for the people in the area uh so that they're aware of what's going on thank
you very much we have any other committee reports um Summers Point Arts commission uh this past Saturday over the senior Recreation uh building on Amber road we just had the floral painting class of
the instructor talented uh Chanel Renee she did a great job with with the class this coming week um Summers Point Arts commission is going to be teaming up with the uh Police Athletic League um for the class three dates for my
grown-up and me whether it's a parent grandparent or legal guardian uh AG is 6 to 10 it's only $10 uh per per pair you know child and uh parent or grandparent
legal guardian it's uh dates coming up will be at the uh Summers Point use Center 599 Marks Road uh that's 599 Marks Road uh the dates are this coming
Saturday the 15th or you could choose the uh the 22nd or finally the uh the 29th uh of this month and then finally uh it's not not more than enough we have this coming Sunday
uh this coming Sunday we have the creative flow writing group from 10 to 11:30 um with uh instructor uh Kenneth Thompson and then from 11:30 to 12 uh if you want to share your poetry you're
more than welcome to and that's at the senior recreation building thank you m anyone else yes Council um I attended the historic preservation Commission meeting last night um they had two applications in front of them one had
been there previously uh they tweaked their plans brought them back that one was approved both of them were on Higby Avenue they were additions uh and the second one was also approved but with a contingency to change the roof line so they're going to
go back to their architect and uh come back with a new plan for that um but they were both both they're just uh additions that they're adding on and um the the commission is very very uh they they're really
paying attention so they're looking at everything so um I also just wanted to talk about I attended a zoom meeting uh as a representative of Leu municipalities uh yesterday for the update on the uh D and
J reg new regulations that they want to do and I just want nothing to really change there I know we've been talking about it since they started the conversation uh but I just wanted to continue the conversation and make sure that we stay on top of that and pay attention because
it will have a big effect on our uh Waterfront thank you so thank anything else that's all anyone else uh Mr Habor um uh Recreation uh we developed a
subcommittee and we're working on a with the Mr Schneider a uh a master plan for our Recreation facilities uh and you know it's going to stretch out for 10 years um and that's an ongoing process so if anybody uh has any ideas they
could send them to me that would be great uh and as far as our affordable housing and and uh development subcommittee uh just like the presentation we had tonight we'll have another presentation we have a scheduled another presentation for our next
meeting with regards to a proposal for the property at 939 Bay and the other thing that we're continuing our efforts to address uh round four and I should have we should have some more updates in the coming months on that thank you thank you Mr
McAn anybody else have any committee reports they'd like to share okay well again I I hope the uh audience finds these uh committee reports informative um something we're striving to to do on a regular basis so thank you for everybody for sharing
moving on to the approval in the minutes uh looking at the uh regular meeting meeting minutes of February 27th 2025 the executive session meeting minutes of February 27th 2025 as far as approval for Content I
need a motion I'll make that motion I need a second second second any comments all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed the above mentioned minutes for that date are
approved okay now we're going to get into ordinances um we do have ordinance number five which is a second reading ordinance number five of 2025 calendar year 2025 ordinance to exceed the municipal budget appropriation limits
and to establish a cap Bank okay I'm going to need a a motion and a second open up for public so moved thank second thank you all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed we
are now open for public comment on ordinance number five only make a motion to close the public portion of an ordinance five may I have a second second all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed uh May I
have a motion in a second for adoption of ordinance number five I'll make that motion I'll second it any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I I any opposed not hearing any opposed
ordinance number five is adopted okay now we're going into ordinance number six which is Uncharted area here so Mr Smith you could help me through this please a motion a second okay may we have a
motion I'm I'll make a motion it's already been in it's you need a need a a motion to amend it no first you have to um you got to put it on the table put it on the table it's already on the table no it's not it
was been it's been introduced it's been introduced okay don't we just do a motion I'll make a motion for ordinance number six hold on now it's been introduced unamended correct so now do we need
to I'll make a motion to introduce ordinance number six for a second reading I'll second it any comments take a I'll make a motion to amend ordinance number six the uh as Mr
the solicitors specified and I a second that motion any comments no comments all in favor of the amending that is Fe that gets removed and
am do we do we publish the whole uh whole am uh ordinance again or do we just the Amendments I I guess with all the changes that are being made it would probably be best to do the whole thing anyway then it would be on for a second
reading on April 1th on the 27 right okay so we have the motion out there we have a second now I need all in favor I I any opposed not hearing any opposed the ordinance is for the first
reading correct all right so that's it for ordinances correct good everybody good yep right more questions on that all right well it's the first time we've ever introduced a winess twice but we'll
talk about that l so we did break okay there we go all right so we're going to move on now we are going to move on to um so you motion to amend it right now you have to make another motion to pass it on the first reading now yeah so you
have to do that next so before we close your ordinance we have to make a mo mot AC I'll make a motion to introduce the amended ordinance number six I have a second second second any
comments all in favor I I any opposed not hearing any opposed we good yes everybody good with this resolution baby all right resolutions wow I don't have to go through that
again all right uh may may have a motion and a second to open up to the public for Resolutions only I'll make that motion second all in favor I I any opposed hearing any opposed we are open
for public comment for Resolutions only not seeing anyone wanting to make any comments on resolutions I have a motion to close motion to close second all in favor I I public session is now closed on
resolutions we are moving to resolution number 87 resolution number 87 of 2025 temporary budget emergency have a motion so move I'll make that motion I have a second second
any comments I hear any any comments all in favor all any opposed not hearing anyone oppose resolution number 87 is approved we have three resolutions on here number 88 89 and 94 I believe the
three that we will be going into executive session at the uh end of the meeting um anybody that wants to wait can wait in the lobby and we'll reach out to you and have you come back in after executive session so rep number 88
please resolution number 88 of 2025 authorizing executive session advice of council and attorney client privilege communication regarding the status of contractual negotiations between the city of summers's point and the City of Ocean City regarding a shared facility
service agreement for Municipal Court matters I have a motion I'll make that motion we have a second second any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed not hear any oppos resolution number 88 is approved
resolution number 89 resolution number 89 of 2025 authorizing executive session advice of councel and attorney client privilege communication regarding the status of potential development negotiations involving contract
purchasers of 90 Broadway in the city of Summers Point may I have a motion to approve please I'll make that motion may I have a second second any comments I have a question are we allowed to make comments on Executive session
resolutions okay but I could yeah somebody could say something different there okay okay thank you all in favor I any opposed not hearing any
opposed resolution number 89 is approved resolution number 94 of 2025 authorizing executive session advice of council and attorney client privilege communication regarding the issues arising from the settlement between the Plantation Bay LLC in the city of
Summers point in the Mount Laurel litigation commenced in the superior court of New Jersey by Plantation Bay LLC docket number at l- l- 73026 I have a motion to approve I'll make that motion I have a
second second any comments as far as going into executive session on this not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed not hear in any opposed resolution 94 is
approved moving on to the consent agenda may I have a motion to approve the consent agenda so moved second SEC okay any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed I'm hearing
any opposed to consent agenda is approved okay let's see number is gone y so going into Old business I did put on some old business
here as related to um the boat ramps and I'd like to share a little bit um from my perspective being that I am relatively new to council I just want to do a little Preamble here if I may as you many of you are aware uh the
decision to purchase the boat ramps was made before I was on city council that decision was made I believe in the year 2020 and the boat ramp PES were operational last season 2024 for the first time I was not part of the
financial justification for this project so I really would like to do as a learn as we go through the discussions tonight what might have been the revenue estimate for such a project in 2024 the revenue that it means the money that we've taken in versus the expense there
was more expense more outlays than re and there's reasons for that I understand tonight as part of the boat r gamp boat ramp Gates as old business I wish I hope that direction can be given
for a resolution for our next meeting to move forward with two components at least identifying the season I've looked at what is the season I've notice that the season can be defined as different things even on our city websites and
within our community for example I did see where the season was identified as June 15th through September 15th in one spot and I saw another spot where is identified as being Memorial Day through Labor Day so
there could be some confusion as to what is the season is defined so I hope we can come to agreement on there and the second part as we talk and discuss I'm hoping that we get God bless some direction on the operation of the gauge
going forward and at conclusion of the discussion I will take the comments made I will work with Mr Frost and Mr Smith to come up with a resolution for our next meeting on the vot gr beads so I'd
like to have city council anybody that has any comments please uh feel free I'd like to open this up for discussion so that both I can learn more and I coun council president recognize oh okay okay
um yeah I have a few comments um so the the gates there were definitely a lot of issues Mr Frost has work tirelessly to get all of these things taken care of and fixed and um and I I think we need
to continue to do that the I think the only issue left is the credit cards is that the credit card isn't working but a credit card in the Park Mobile right but the key the key fobs are working and um so I think that's something that
we can at least start with and then um I don't know what the agreement is as far as is there something we could do with the manufacturer or with the IT company or is there a different IT
company that can try and I just think we should look at all of our options to try and get those corrections made as soon as we can sure um yeah so currently they're they're out of uh War right so we can still you say they are out of warranty I'm sorry the gate uh
the actual pedestals gate pedestals are out of warranty so we still have like even last summer we had them repaired so pre Precision Technology Solutions um will come down from the Philadelphia area and make those repairs when we need them to so when those repairs are made
just for clarification it's out of warranty so that isn't out of pocket expense that is correct okay make sure and the I just want to also make the point that um we still owe money on them we did Bond them so we do
have to figure out a way to make some income um for that reason as well so when we used the gates um when we purchased the gates purchased all that I'm guessing based on the information I have it was around
$152,000 between equipment material and labor to put them in do we know what the useful life of those Gates would be is it 10 years 15 years 30 years I mean the the spec is 10 years 10 years so that helps are you asking
what the useful life is in the bond ordinance but yeah I don't I would have to look at that okay if you don't mind finding that out over the next me I appreciate that you you just quoted $152,000 yeah it was in round numbers because I believe all the improvements that were required including the uh
bards and so forth that bards were paid for by a gr okay but 152,000 was the outlay of the city's money I don't know between what what I was provided between capital and then operational things that needed to occur
um the estimate would be somewhere between 152 and 155 is what the number was I I quoted the yeah and also at the time I and I I'm not sure that I remember the exact number but I believe the income was
estimated to be conservative Le 65,000 a year okay this last year we collected $ 17,859 realize why they weren't working I understand they weren't fully operating and so that's U but thank you
is that it okay yes council president just for clarification you had if I heard you correctly about purchasing the uh the boat ramps uh the boat ramp at Kennedy Park has been there like forever and all I'm talking about the Gates the all that not the ramp itself Gates
okay well I just want to let for the public know that the uh the the boat ramps at uh Kennedy Park have been there for as long as I can remember and I've been here for 57 years uh and as far as the boat ramp at the off off of Bay
Avenue that was an agreement between the state New Jersey when they were building the bridge okay that they were going to supply a boat ramp uh for the city free of charge okay and uh there has been some back and forth about whether or not we even still we even own that right has
that been cleared up that piece of it I believe the jurisdictional Matrix that's not in question um that area that's that is ours that is ours okay I just want clarification for the public well and let me clarify there are other questions on that jurisdictional Matrix but okay
is ours but we have full full responsibility for uh maintenance and for uh supervision of it correct okay thank you thank you Mr G any comments from you I don't
like the boat ramp Gates I would tear them out and stop the bleeding now it's a lot of bleeding Mr Owen any comment from you sir I like to see it work you know with with with the uh the
key fobs and especially on weekends and possibly uh have permits for trailers uh as you know just food for thought when you mentioned permits for trailers
would that be a applied decal that would go on tra right as opposed to governing with the boat range or the gates you're saying well it could be a combination so you're going to charge
extra for the trailer and Bo is that what you're saying well if the if the gates aren't working I mean uh then we just could go with permits for the weekend pass so you're saying not to put words
in your mouth but you want to get rid of the gates and go to a a uh no no no keep keep keep keep keep the gates but have like a combination of some sort okay I'm not I'm not fallowing it but okay what what is the
uh refresh my memory a season pass was $150 believe so yeah yes or if they bought it before the season it was $75 50% yeah and and and the projection that was quoted of
$65,000 a year what is that based on I believe it was uh some of it was based on what we used to collect when we had someone down there on the weekends just collecting well all due respect that's
way off we never collected nearly 65 that was because we were only there on weekends so that's not the total number we were only they they only had somebody there Friday Saturday and Sunday this would be seven days a week there used to be someone there seven
days a week there 323 years yep uh I'm I'm not certain I I don't care for the boat ramps either or excuse me the gates I I think that uh you know we're chasing we're throwing good money after
bad money you know we on the bill list tonight there's a there's a do you have it off the top of your head there Mr Frost the the Comcast bill is three 400 bucks yeah it's roughly $300 a month and we have to pay that for
12 months correct so and and the things being out of warranty and the service that's required to handle these key fobs that we've experienced this just isn't worth it uh I do like the idea of you know we
had stickers back in the day going back to that and I'm not necessarily saying we should have an attendant down there but everyone that Parks down there should have a sticker if they have a boat ramp and you know we can casually check it and if you're out there without
a without a sticker you're going to get a ticket and we can generate income that way uh but uh the amount of effort that we put in these boat ramps and that that we would have to do this season just isn't going to make okay so I think I've heard from
everybody that's here on uh city council so I will take those comments process that I also would like though I the second question I had was what is the season should the season be
one second we'll get the public in you can talk then okay um when we get um should it be year round should you know somebody buy a permit and it starts on January 1st and ends on December 31st
and we're fully operating uh during that period of time and it's very clear to a resident or somebody that's not a resident that is using that site that it is on an annual basis can I get any feeling for that is that something that
would be uh amable to all the council council president I agree with your uh philosophy on that that it should be a year round okay because there are people who fish in the winter time and things of that recreate there
so uh yeah I would think that the regardless of what we end up charging or the the charges have already been established that the it should be a year round permit okay folks over on this side any idea comments on the season
being full calendar year I I always thought back in the day it's been 20 years since I had a boat I thought my boat permit sticker just had the year on it okay you know that it was from whenever you picked it up till the end of the year okay you know I I don't have
a boat I don't use the the ramp or the gate I was just reading doing some research and seeing the different things being out there as far as uh what's going just annual annual Mr MC yeah that's fine wow we got annual at least we got
that in agreement so I appreciate everybody's U input council president one one other thing um I know that for years we used to have attendant down there then it was just an attendant on weekends or high tide it bounced back
and forth if these Gates become operational totally operational are we still going to have the need for attendance down there or not no you don't that was the whole idea that's what I was I just wanted to get it out okay the only issue we would have
in my mind is if if it was operational when something happened having somebody to go down and either you know somebody's fob didn't work or something like that having somebody be able to go down and and make that happen right or if there was an incident where there was damage and it
you know and it couldn't go up and down we'd have to have somebody address that sure but okay I that would be but we don't have the ex I would assume we don't have the expertise on staff to do that right well that's that's part of the problem these things we basically pay company 247
monitoring during the season right and what's that cost and if you don't have it we can we can discuss it we have a proposal for this season I believe that was right 14 14,700 okay right it's 247 monitoring the idea is someone's down there at 1 in
the morning the the gates aren't working you can call um and they can open them that was 14,000 how much 14,700 and that and that's less than what we had last year corre you know
Jason has gone back and tried to negotiate down the r okay all right so as far as the city's concerned we would not have any need for attendance at the boat the boat ramps for any purpose whatsoever we have that
covered if they're working correctly yeah if they're working correctly that's the big question and if they're not working correctly then we have another issue correct okay any other comments from theing body if not uh Mr Smith Mr Frost and
myself are going to sit down and work on a resolution prior to the next meeting if that's aable with everybody uh any other uh old business that anybody wants to burn up okay not hearing any other old businesses anybody
have any new business not hearing any new business Mr frost a discussion of the bills please sure 9798 this is a revised Bill list from the initial bill on tues okay thank you okay I may have a
motion to open for public comment please I'll make that motion may have a second second all in favor all any opposed not hearing any oppos we are now open for public session can you use the mic Charlie
please thank you just so we can have my name is Charlie falkenstein 41 Great Bay Court did a little recap uh regarding the boat ramps if I may hand them out or give to Jason to hand out and what I did I used the uh the $10
number all right $10 based on 10 boats or uh jet skis a day right and what I did you were asking about the season all right the striper season opened the first of this month okay all right and
it basically ran last year all right until the end of October right so I BAS my numbers on eight months using 10 boats or jet skis a day on average and by the way our $10 fee is
below what ocean city and what SE Isle City shorts also so just using it $10 a day right you're looking at an income all right of $24,000 a
year all right using the $12 that Ocean City uses if you're looking at 288 if you went up to $15 or right if you looking at $36,000 for that eight months and I I can tell you the
10 usage of 10 oats or jet skis a day on average is a very very very low average right you can go down there during the week okay especially when the the straper season heats up and Flounder season's
going to be coming okay and there's much more than 10 Vehicles down there with trailers all right they're lined up on Bay Avenue both sides of the Bay Avenue they're they're parked at the uh uh
try Par Bar there that's always closed um so you have a couple opportunities here and I'm using the $36,000 right 65,000 was an estimated uh when they put these this together and I think
that's a low number and I hate like H to see this go the same way that the parking went right I I got a couple suggestions for you um somebody brought up residents versus non-resident okay in
Florida all right they do it with the credit card right daily and you put your ZIP code in right it has to correspond with your billing zip code right so you could do
$10 for residents $15 for non-residents okay I had another thought all right being you started advertising I believe for the uh Marina okay you put an RFP out for that right once you tie the boat ramps okay
to that and make them responsible for it okay and share a portion of that profit okay with the city right that's another way you could go or I'll give you one other one give me 30 days right let me look at the contracts
and let me give you all the contacts okay and let me figure out how we could get this thing going because I I really think that you're looking at anywhere between 75 and $100,000 a year okay in usage for this you know you had
one boat ramp down at Kennedy Park right now you have three in the city right there there's an opportunity here right and I would think that with the taxes going up every year we would look at every Avenue we can right to
generate Revenue okay right and and again my 30 days would be free all right and I would just like access to the contracts the contacts okay there's there's uh there's
a cameras on every one of them where do who monitors that where does where do they go anybody know you're supposed to TI Police Department okay and is have these ramps
or the uh lifts have they been sabotaged or they just malfunctioning they have byic but any Common Thread there usually the malfunction is hard to
tell whether it's the operator error or whether it's actual pedestal but the um application Park mobile app well credit cards they don't always work okay all right why does it
why why does it work in other cities up and down the coast and it doesn't work in some point we had the same issue with the uh with the parking with the kiosk we we do have a three minute I hate to cut you off but we do have a three minute and we are past the
three minute so I appreciate your information thank you for sharing that do we have anyone else that would like to come up and address just your name an address when you get please Bill Collins 814 Bay yeah
I just want to pick up up with what some of the council members were saying from a positive point of view I think that's great but I think everybody's got to lean back and say where have you been for the last three years all of a sudden now we're talking about a situation that's gotten a little bit out of hand
and we're hearing some talk about maybe just letting it go but I think there's a great opportunity there it's a great ramp you got a great parking lot that goes with it you got it for no charge from the state you got two municipal ramps there that are wonderful that the
guy that I use to haul my boat uses Summer's point because it's free up to that point we were using Tennessee Avenue okay in Ocean City where you have to pay so again it's a user fee you use you use it you pay it's not a big deal
okay but but again if if you look at it it's two sets of gates guys we're not talking about building the world here South Jersey marine I think you know okay with George Robinson he built that building
from scratch sunk 180 pilings 20qu 20,000 square foot building in 10 months we can't get two sets of of gates working I just implore you to please think it out don't vote against it but
vote positive it's a plus for the city after we look on almost another as as Charlie was saying t increase of two cents it's it all makes a difference but again you know I just appreciate your time and effort I between you we got
enough expertise to to make it happen and you got Jason here and if we need legal advice you know you got Mr Smith you had an engineer over here let's put the people together let's get let's get it done let's let's think it positive
let's make it happen we got a couple months before Memorial Day and you know maybe that's the target date but if you remember last year we were open I I think the gates were finally operable I think it was like two days before Memorial Day and then about four
weeks after that and then then it was V nothing so and I've been monitor it like I said I talked to four council members in the last year and a half about this issue and uh I just appreciate your time and effort to make it happen thank you thank you Mr Collins
Patricia Pearson 587 Marks Road uh the boat ramps I used to have a boat ramp and I used to charge people $10 to go in and I quite a few people
came lots and lots of times and a lot a lot of people uh that you might not realize but from runam meat and depford and all they bring their boots down for the day and then they go back day back
they do it Smitty has been collecting $10 on boat ramps for since for 30 years I used to collect $10 on boat ramps I see the point of the of
the you know the g whatever that they don't work I mean cuz you know why I go to the casinos and sometimes I put my card in and that damn thing doesn't work either and there's nothing more aggravating than that so I
know what that is but there's got to be a way you can get some money in this town and if you can't do the boat ramps then send the court to maze Landing but let's do something people are feeling upset you're up in the taxes you're not
doing getting any Revenue in and it's hurting and and it's hurting and I think you and I don't know if any I don't I'm looking at you and I'm all of you and I'm thinking which one do I see out in the bay and who which one of you guys
pulls your boat down and uses the ramp and I honestly can't think that I ever saw any one of you do it and the bottom line is maybe you don't know how impassion people feel about it because these fishermen they want to it's like
going to the football game or something they want to do it they want to do it so you got to do a little better you got to put your heads together get a little smarter and do something for the people once in a while okay thank you thank
you not seeing anybody else want to make a public comment um can I get a motion to close motion to close public portion I have a second second all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed let's have a motion for the
payment of the bills may I have a motion I'll make that motion I have a second second all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed Mr Frost you may pay the bills any uh comments from the governing body uh Mr haror I got one yes
sir you took a poll with everybody here on their opinions for the boat Gates yes sir uh Mr dep pampis isn't here did you have any contact with him I don't want to share at this point because um he's not here I'd like him to talk about he's here next time so all
right I don't want to put any words in anybody's mouth I want to let we'll ask him when he's here okay that's okay no it's not but I'll take I know better than they ask any question next time that's good thank you you're welcome uh any other comments
for up here for the goverment body I I do have one I I thank uh the members of city council for sharing their their thoughts I thank the public for sharing their thoughts Mr Collins you had mentioned putting our heads together as I had mentioned I'm going to work with Mr Frost and Mr Smith here to try to
come up with what's a suitable um go forward plan so uh the next meeting we will have a resolution uh to be voted on any other comments from anybody no all right so with that um we're going to go into executive session uh like I said
anybody that wants to wait out in the lobby you may do so thank you very much no no I get you I get thank you