yeah he did that for like five years then they came to Chens you got find another job and he sold this job like call the meeting to order um before we rise uh the flag salute uh Mr Mayor is going to read um something
about one of our firefighters correct yeah so uh it's with a heavy heart that I have to report that we lost one of our own firefighters and my friend Mike wireback Senior uh from Fire Company number one he was 61 years old we all grew up together in veter roller skating
Rank and it's tragic he unexpectedly became ill a few months ago and he just passed away this week you know and we want to extend our deepest condolences to Mike's family and if we can have a moment of silence after the flag salute thank you so if you all rise for the
flag salute and then a moment of silence I pledge alance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for
all now we give him a moment of silence rest in peace thank you you amen you want you hear now hear me now here we go um may we may may we have a roll call please council member depan
F here council member Dill here council member G here council member Johnston here council member mcgan here council member Owen here council president Habor present and also present is mayor tap
administrator Frost city clerk Keith and city solicitor Smith pursuant to the open public meetings act adequate notice of this meeting has been provided the agenda for this meeting is posted in City Hall and
on the city's website Summers Point gov.org pursuing to city code a266 d8p and to afford everyone an opportunity to address the governing body the public may speak only one time
not to exceed 3 Minutes tonight we are going to do things a little differently we are going to uh present the budget first and we are going to have three resolutions associated with that so I am going to ask for a motion to open uh for
public comment on resolutions number 95 96 and 97 only may I have a motion please I'll make that motion may I have a second second do we have any comments not hearing any comments we are now open for public comment on resolutions only
number 95 96 and 97 thank you motion to close the public portion I have a second second all and favor I I any opposed not and any opposed we are closed for public SE
on number 95 96 and 97 resolutions related to the budget 95 resolution number 95 of 2025 read budget by title only may I have a motion I'll make that motion a
second second any comments all in favor I I any opposed not hearing any opposed resolution number 95 is adopted resolution Number 96 resolution Number 96 of 2025
self-examination of the 2025 budget may I have a motion I'll make that motion may I have a second second any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I I any opposed not hearing any
opposed resolution 96 is adopted number 97 resolution number number 97 of 2025 the adoption of the 2025 Municipal budget before we uh before I entertain a motion I'd like to have Leon Costello
the city auditor come up and make some comments please thank you so tonight is the public hearing on the budget which you have opened up to the public already and this budget is the identical budget that you introduced uh four weeks ago it is a
1.9 Cent tax increase one of the lower ones in the area as you've been reading the papers you probably seen some twos threes fours that have popped up um you're well within both caps you could spend more money if you want to and you actually could raise another million
dollar $1.1 million in taxes if you so desired I know that's not your desire but you are well within the caps and this is a legal budget uh both Shane and I will swear that it is because we both have to sign off on it that's what that one resolution said that we're self-exam so State doesn't look at this one it
meets everything that was required um there were several meetings with the budget committee to go over this maybe three or four um and whittel it down to where it is right now and it's a very sound budget it's not hurting anything in the future and it should provide well
for you any comments for Mr G thank uh just real quick and you and I had discussed this earlier the loss of uh of State funding in this budget represents how much do we lose this year
we lost $100,000 which is almost exactly a penny in state aid thank you if you saw the article from Upper Township they lost six and a half $650,000 which is three and a. half cents it's all over the place it's sure and what hasn't gone
up that you've bought lately I mean let's face it the everything that you buy now is more than it was two years ago more than it was last year it's just gone through the roof all the prices right so the the increase you stated was
1.98 yes and that and that equated to 2% or or 1.76% right yeah you're well under the cap you you could again if you wanted to Levy another million $100,000 but I know that's not what you want to do right
thank you yep anything else from Mr Casto at this time if not thank you Leon for your help thank you and we I have a motion in a second for resolution number 97 I'll make that motion
second I hear a second yes any comments not hearing any comments may we have a roll call vote please council member deanis yes council member Dill yes council member G yes
council member Johnston yes Council council member mcgan yes council member Owen yes council president Habor yes resolution 97 and the 2025 budget is adopted thank
you thank you we're going to move from the budget we're going to have a special presentation from Dr try and his group so if you can I have five minutes okay all right um
you know what while we're doing that we're waiting for that let's move on and and no let's move on to uh any Communications we have any Communications not hearing any Communications let's move on to the mayor's report all I got a couple things
we'll see if I can make it last for five minutes for Dr try here um hang on all right number one you know and I'm glad to see that John helbig's here we have our Citywide cleanup day which is going to be April 5th it's a Saturday
we're going to meet behind uh we're going to meet at public works at 8:45 uh right on Center Street right behind Gregory's you know we're looking for volunteers to come out we Supply you with gloves vests little Claws and bags we'll distribute you guys John will
distribute everyone out in certain areas you clean up you leave the bags filled and Public Works will come by and swing by they'll pick that up takes about 3 hours it's something great that we do for the community so hopefully uh we can pass the word we got that on the website
and uh hopefully we get a bunch of people and we clean this town up uh number two we have our uh annual Easter HG hunt that's going to be put on by the Summers Point pal this is going to be April 12th you know um and it's from
ages uh 0 to 10 and it'll be sectioned off in you know certain groups for certain age certain areas and that is going to be at Kennedy Park and that is going to start at 10: a.m. and then I was just informed by Shelby today is that we are now going to have our again
our free rabies clinic and I know it's pretty early it's not until May 17th it's from 9:00 to 7 in the uh Public Works garage same as it always was 9 huh 9 to 11 what' I say 9 to 7 9
to 11 keep me straight thanks all day I'm new with this um so but we're doing that again uh and like I said I know that's not until May but we we'll we'll get more information more specific but just throw that on that on your calendar to get a free Raby shop for your cat and
dog and that's all I have okay thank you Mr Mayor which one the r 17th of May okay 17th of May 9 to 11 not 7 administrator's report Mr Frost sure
um this is not a a big thing but both the uh playground equipment at the suers beach and JFK were installed early wasn't I saw the one down the beach it looks great yeah it does looks very nice
and there was uh kids down in the park on the uh the new stuff this afternoon so that was that was great to see everybody was out it was a nice anything else Mr Frost that's it Mr Smith I have few items that
probably addressed buop reest attorney Rel constru deu State keep we could this
for exective session at the next meeting okay thank you anything else I guess we're still waiting for Mr TR Dr TR I'm sorry um how about if we
move on then to committee reports do we have any committee reports U Mr chairman start down here all right I have a report from edac we had edac meeting last night uh first off Rob Hopkins did a good job as Vice chair uh
chairing the meeting since uh Chuck Wescott is out of town uh one of the items that was discussed is uh the South Jersey uh racing the boat racing people that have come here like three years in
a row uh last year they weren't able to make it uh they're coming back this year on H June 29th uh they've already gotten approval from the rec board uh they asked edac about becoming involved under
our Tourism Committee on promoting that event and trying to make it something bigger than what it is uh the three years they were here every year they had more and more people come to that event so what their request
was to put in was for $5,000 of edac support uh which we explained to them has to be approved by Council and it doesn't have to be done tonight it's something to think about uh but one of the things that we
did uh get them to understand is any Summers Point sponsorship that they obtain uh we obtain uh I believe Rob's going to help them a lot to would be paid back to the city to lower that
$5,000 seed money to get them started the expense that they have is they have to have a dive team there certified dive team in case there's an accident do you want me to wait a minute while you get that Charlie no okay I'm
sorry that's right I thought I had turned it off I AP and they have to have a dedicated ambulance there uh for the whole day which is comes out to be a $55,000 expense everyone uh they have two organizations that are involved in this uh the one carries $10 million
worth of liability insurance the other one carries two and a half uh they have all the credentials in the Boating world uh they would like they like Summers Point's venue they want to come here they want to try and get all our uh
Arena and boat people involved try and build up some kind of a you know a bay Heritage type thing with along with the racing and the thing that intrigued me about these people is we've always gotten people from Philadelphia
to come here and everything else all all their following is from barnegate uh forkid River Tom's River areas that not normally people would come to Summers point to guess up their truck on the way home go to a place for
dinner things like that so Economic Development felt this could be a little bit of a generator and if we build it into an event where we could draw couple thousand people to it it it would be a good boost it's before the Fourth of
July so the season hasn't kicked in some of those weekends are are kind of busy but not summer busy so it it may help and that was one of the reasons why economic development uh considered this and um bringing it on to you I what I
would like is for you to all think about it and uh Rob will be putting in a formal request and you know he'll be talking to Jason about it and then we'll vote on it when the time comes sounds good thank you all right any questions for Mr gy on
that not hearing do we have another committee report I have a report go ahead Mr D I just want a report on the planning board meeting last week uh a the defo lane or the defo plaza uh was uh presented uh to the meeting as a hold
over from the uh February meeting uh the neighbors had some concerns but the uh the attorney Mr Davis and the uh owner Mr bremond seemed to resolve most if not all of those issues and the project was
approved uh by the planning board by a 6 to1 uh uh account and uh I just like to uh thank not only our professionals but also the professionals that represent Mr brayman and this project uh for the uh
professionalism in which they conducted themselves thank you thank you Mr D anybody else have a report uh council president I attended the uh school board meeting uh and just wanted to let everyone know their next meeting uh they're going to be
introducing their uh budget um so they did have some challenges again this year with the state budget being cut uh their funding being cut again so um I forget I'm sorry I forget the date you were there I didn't write the date down I turned off my phone so I can't look it
up okay couldn't pass it on anyway um we'll look it up before the end of the meeting thank you I have one just one more thing it's not a committee meeting but um I made a call I'm sure everyone is very familiar with that beautiful crane that's sitting down
on right in off right in the bay off of uh Bay Avenue and we've been trying for a very long time to get that removed with no um no success but I finally did get a hold of a state trooper with the Atlantic City station for the Marine
police and we he was very receptive um Mr Frost spoke to him as well and um I think uh we finally get somewhere and try and get that uh before our busy season so that would be nice thank you yeah council president yes sir uh the
Arts commission also met uh this past Monday um great bunch of volunteers we actually got a new volunteer Kelly Carver appreciate her coming on board um just announcement uh registration is now open for the Summers Point Arts commission website for create your own
vision board on Saturday April 12th from 10: the noon and also lost and found poetry workshop on Thursday April 17th from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. both workshops will be at the Summers Point Senior Citizen Community Center 22 North Amer
Road that's it thank you anybody else okay not hearing any other committee reports tonight we'll go to Dr try I'll good even good evening I'm uh Dr IR try I
want to thank you all for allowing us to do a presentation this is on the property at 939 Bay Avenue I've owned it for over 25 years and this is the first time I really felt that we have a great project to improve the property but
improve the entire area what our concept is is to build a high-end uh condominium home policy uh building that will be a Showplace for the city of Summers point and a Showplace for South Jersey it's a
perfect location because we're right on the bay and you have all the bay views from all the uh Windows of the building and the building itself will be conducive to a proper Community which means most of the people going to be living there are not going to be having
a lot of children a lot of them are going to be people coming from out of town for example we know what's happening in Ocean City with the cost of housing incredibly expensive and we think that with this project we'll be able to get a lot of
new people to come to Summers point to have either a secondary home or a first home in summers point to really enjoy the Summers Point area Bay Avenue always been a beautiful area I mean I I used to go there and I was a kid to all the bars
and the pl property I have where the old Tony Marts was and as the mayor was just telling me earlier mayor McCulla used to work there and he said on a on a busy night theyd have have over 2700 people there in the facility
so it's a pretty interesting history uh right now it's a Bar and Lounge and Nightclub that holds uh per our fire marshal approximately 700 people so the
concept is to build this property which uh I think there's some photos there do you have an extra yeah they being passed was being passed down the phot is is there was two basic concepts and of course it's going to be modified
eventually but the concept is to build approximately 100 and some 100 120 units on site with sufficient parking uh that'll have on site per the requirements of the state and the city
to meet all requirements and the pro the concept is that these units would sell in the vicinity we're looking at about approximately a million3 to a million5 and the advantage of that is one people coming in are be able to spend money in Summer's point they're
going to pay taxes uh the taxes from this building alone is going to be substantial which I think will be a wonderful uh addition to summers's point to have have the money and not being spent on schools we just talked about the budget because most of these people
are not going to have schoolage children and if they do the children are going to be living in Philadelphia Cherry Hill New York elsewhere because a lot of these will be second homes and our concept is this will not be allowed for
Airbnb or any of short-term rentals and in fact if they're going to be in rentals they're going to be long-term rentals minimum a year uh and I've been in the apartment business for years so I understand how to run buildings but the concept here is to sell them and that
the owners would live there uh if you look at the site itself it's pretty exciting because what it does is it's a U-shaped building faced at the bay so every one of the units has beautiful views of the bay Ocean City and in in
fact the ocean and the nice thing about it is the way it's situated it really doesn't affect any of the neighboring are areas in fact the area to the right is a parking lot and uh behind us is the Summers Point mansion and then there are
some homes on the left side but right now what they're looking at is the back of my nightclub building and this building you're going to have windows on both sides so you're going to have a much nicer view uh than you would have and looking at the back of my empty you
know my building that doesn't have any windows in and of course the the area will be highend you're talking of $150 Million worth of property or more so the people there are going to
appreciate the values of the area are going to go up because of this uh structure that's going up in time and being sold to people who are going to be living there using it as a summer home as far as traffic much less traffic than
you're going to get from my uh existing nightclub that I have now uh with 700 people there uh the traffic can be very difficult the way it's set up now the statistics show that about 30%
of the people will be there on an average time so that's approximately 35 units of approximately 40 to 50 cars as opposed to 4 to 500 cars for a nightclub the
other beauty of the property is if you look and show see the pictures it's supposed to give a different feel for just uh an area right right now it's a bar uh across the street you have an
open bar now and uh the concept is is to raise Bay Avenue to a higher level where the property value is there and people seeing that this is being built will be buying properties nearby renovating them moving in or
whatever to increase the value of Bay Avenue Bay Avenue has always been and I I've had property on Bay Avenue for as I said over 25 years uh is really an underutilized uh gem in summers point
where it can be very very high-end extremely conducive to the community conducive for business and I think if we understand that I think there could be other problem projects for an example on the North End there are other condominiums that are going up from the
Scarboro family which I think is really going to help the whole area at a higher end to bring people to the community who will spend money pay taxes and not have caused difficulties for the city so that's the basic project that we're
talking about uh if you have any questions or if you want to show the the photos to the public if they have any questions we're here my partner uh Mr Solomon TW has been building high-end properties in Jersey
Central Jersey in uh uh deal around that area and he has come up with some beautiful Concepts in the architecture of this particular building and we looked at it we looked at properties uh elsewhere in New Jersey uh for an
example you have in an ocean they just put up a beautiful beautiful building and it's 100% occupied and in addition like the building in Ocean we also plan to have a small restaurant on site I prefer to have it a rooftop restaurant
because I think they're wonderful uh we're discussing it maybe it'll be over the uh uh the deck over the garage so we're discussing what's the best way to do it uh I just happen to have been in West Palm Beach uh I'm a boat
manufacturer I'm trying to sell boats and the hotel we staying at had an unbelievable beautiful rooftop pool and restaurant it was amazing the views so I was thinking my God it just really breathtaking and it's something different so I think what we can do with
this project is really compete with Ocean City uh and I think in a sense that people who want to be on the water they want to see the water they want to feel the the Salt Air they don't want to pay the Crazy Prices that Ocean City is uh
demanding today well thank you very much for your presentation um we uh may I ask questions yes sir you may just some clarification just taking a brief look at at this set of documents and I don't know if it's changed or not
too much but if I'm reading your documents correctly the top of the building is 70 ft correct that's 70 ft above grade or 70 F feet above sea level from from from grade from gr yeah okay
and if I'm reading it correctly there's five floors of units and there's 120 units and what's the rough square footage of the units and they're all identical or 12 we have you come over to the mic please just so that it can be recorded
thank you 12 to 1300 that's okay yeah and then there's two levels where there's a ground level of parking and half a ground half a level of parking above that the ground level underground is is is is all the parking and then and
then the the next level is just on the on on grid we have the the the parking on like on the ground see the way the property is gone because it goes very high up on road and low on Bay Avenue we
can put basement in a sense which which is great because doesn't affect anything and the rest of it is surface parking and parking under the building itself okay so we have 78 parking spots underground and then and then and then we have if I recall correctly I think
it's 50 something let me just 47 47 and then we have 47 yeah thank you 47 spots on uh on uh on the on on the on the the gve around the
building so it's a total of 125 parking spaces on the property yeah okay you said 120 units yes okay well there's additional parking in the front too you didn't mention that 120 yes I mean because you have to do you have to the I
think there's 1.2 parking spots per unit but I don't know if there's 100 I'm not sure if there's 120 units in the building I think there's less than that I thought it was 102 earlier on when we talked yes 102 and we have talk about the other 20 un
right elsewhere okay so that let's get that on the table here obviously there's an affordable housing obligation associated with that corre and and your intention is how to deal with it how to address that we we prefer to build it elsewhere in some point a more
appropriate area not as an expensive area as this where you know you can put the affordable housing and and make it in a area where it's less uh less expensive honest with you
okay so at 102 units you would need 21 or whatever the number would be yes correct to there and and and that is yet to be determined where that would be correct okay uh unrelated to this so I I I mean I'm not sure what the process is you're
looking for us could you explain you're making a presentation here yes well you know to to make it work easy is a Redevelopment deal okay and the reason why Redevelopment deal is city council has the permission of the state to do Redevelopment deals where these type of
projects can be done quicker than going through the normal zoning process and because that can take a long long time to get done as opposed to when you do Redevelopment and also because of it uh you can do a a a tax situation that the
taxes go to the city as opposed to going to the state and that you can do as part as a Redevelopment deal as a a program okay but but what you're suggesting there is we we enter into some sort of pilot of payment in Li with taxes exactly but and and I don't want to put
words in your mouth and I just want to clarify because obviously we have a lot of uh a lot of interested people here are you looking for a reduction in what your taxes would be well what we're trying to do is make it conducive for the guys who are going to be buying the units okay so it would ask for a
reduction in the beginning then going up as you know the years go by but you know eventually let's say within five years it will be Standard Market and the beauty of the pilot program all that money would go to the city of Summers point which I think is part of
an advantage for the city sure you know as opposed to us we're just looking look if the customers buy it I personally don't care I pay my taxes they should pay their taxes but to get them in in the beginning you want to give them a bit of a break most cities do it because
you want to get the customers in yeah and and and obviously I I you know we're we're just starting this process or just this is a sort of a an introduction of what this your what Your concept here is but it would be difficult for
me to support something uh you know the way the economy is right now and the way this Market is right now and obviously we just discussed our budget and while the increase in my opinion was reasonable many may not agree with that
it would be difficult to give tax break uh based on that but but again you know everything would be that would have to be a discussion but as I sit here today it would be difficult for me to imagine doing it almost every city is doing it because
you want to get people to come in you know and well I understand that you know again the tax rate on these units is going to be sub substantial sure and you don't want to tax them out where they will not come sure I understand that many cities and in the past
you know prior to the pandemic and when things were a little different than they are today we we did have programs like that and it did in my opinion spurred a lot of people in this community to enhance their homes and and really kind of I don't want say it's the main driver
of what turned some of the stuff around and some of the positive uh stuff that's going on here but you know we're in a different times now we're very you know like I say pretty Market's pretty hot just like you described earlier so again it might you might be difficult but I
mean to look at but the other hand sure this you know building as I discussed there's going to be almost no children there you know uh you're not dealing with you know people are going to need a lot of city services the services generally are going to be taken care of
by the building itself the condominium so it's not going to be a big expense on the city at all sure okay so let's just talk about something else where you talked about the nightclub uh having you know 700 people in that nightclub I mean it's been a while since
there's been 700 people in there right well but I mean let's you know let's be honest I'm a business guy no I Hon understand you know again if I can't get a project to make sense right open up the nightclub again that's have a choice I've been trying not to and one
of the things is I saw what's across the street yeah where they're having a thousand people there and I did not want to add to that yeah because then you know you're going to be having a lot of traffic a lot of people you know in summers's point that you probably
wouldn't want that people drink well we that but okay so let's just go let's just let me just ask one more question I don't want to monopolize the discussion here the uh I'm assuming you're an architect rather there there hasn't been
any engineering done on this as far as a site plan or any kind of uh you know I'm not look I don't see any site plan on here what where's the traffic flowing in and out do you envision both uh an exit and entrance off of Bay Avenue off a goal off a
Shore so we were discussing Ira that we thought the smarter idea was to get it not off Bay Avenue and try to right try to get it off of goal will be will be probably more you know better for the area that's thing sure but goal is
really uh not a very large Street no you're going to have to have an entrance and no doubt it's right now I mean the way it is now we have two an ENT two exits into entrances uh as a nightclub again
having 700 people we did in the past it's a lot of traffic no question about it here as I said the average we've worked out the most you're going to have is 30 units at a time so you're talking about 30 cars you're talking about 60
people in the building at one time it's going to be rarely you're going to have all of them there and even if you had all of them the average is going to be 150 people you're going to have one and a half in an apartment that's if you had them all 100% which you're not going to
have uh the statistics show in the different buildings and I've looked at the buildings similar in Margate Longport and elsewhere and Atlantic City the percentage is about 30 some per at any one time I have to push back on the even in
the height of the summer well oh yeah again I'm talking about year round sure percent I just one last question unrelated to the building just one before that so I'm saying what in your in your opinion what what do you think the smarter place to have the entrance next we thought smarter I would not be a
I I'm not I'm not a I'm not a civil engineer so I I wouldn't I don't want to go on the record I'm a doctor I know where to put them well okay I mean it's obviously it's not that simple it's you know that has to be red and stud you know that's not uh you
can't put me on the yeah let me just okay as this process goes along it's a very ambitious project what do you plan to do I in the meantime with the building as it sits now well
once we get approval uh you know and going through and starting building we're knocking the existing building down and we're probably going to put a sample uh a sample unit to show people what it would look like or or another option was to take the actual building
and fit it out so people could be able to actually walk through and actually you know retrofit and to make it feel like one of theart well you're not going to do any of those until till we get approval correct course okay we're just going to well you know the approval
process if we go through from whatever the next step is from here if we take another step it may take a while well that's the reason why it's a Redevelopment as opposed to a standard all take a long time is anybody else
I'll yield to the rest of I got a couple questions go ahead Mr G uh first off what's your estimate on what this building is going to cost to build we're talking somewhere about 70 to 100 million okay uh your COA units you said
you were going to build them off site we that's what we plan to do would they be in summers Point well they have to be in summers point the law I prefer I prefer just paying money so I don't have to build them there okay but the law says we have to build them in Summer's point
and and they would probably have children that would be in the school system being affordable houses the the concept that we're working on is to do it for Senior Living that's the concept more a senior living place okay and the last question I have for you what's uh this seems like
a lot of lot coverage uh what's your estimate on lot coverage I mean it looks like it's probably over 80% point is it's existing the existing lot coverage I think is is the same exact amount of lot coverage that's there is what we're using yeah so
we're not we're not changing that existing okay well thank you I have I have a Mr Question um you had mentioned in speaking about managing the
play of the property okay are you going to have a once these properties are sold are you going to have a homeowners association you have to okay no I I'm just asking the question you have to have a condo you'd have to have a condo association and they would make the rules well we make the rules initially
right and uh then what happens is there's a certain percentage of the unit owners that if they want to change the rules they have the right to but it's not so easy okay by uh and again my concern is that you know you you had mentioned no airbnbs but that would that
would be the homeowners association unless we put some type of restriction in the Redevelopment oh I I I want to put a into Redevelopment not allowing yourb andb and the other thing that you there was some talk there was you had mentioned something about some of them
would be could be rental units but obviously wait a second we I finish uh obviously a million dollar building if you were going to rent it you would I would hope you those people wouldn't have issues but I have a concern minimum
a year Rental Right a minimum year okay all right uh not a Summer Rental right and the the final question I have is even though it's not a popular uh opportunity with this Council uh he talked about a a potential pilot program
and then you on top of that you mentioned five years if you were going for a pilot program are you mentioning a you're talking about a five-year pilot well again I'm not a lawyer doing it but a lot of programs they have is they decrease the amount of in increase of
taxes over five years okay so that the homeowner when he buys it he knows that you know he's going to pay a certain amount and it will'll go up every year yeah because there's there are there are various pilot programs out there various years associated with pilot programs uh
although I'm opposed to Pilot programs based on the economy the way it is the minimum that I would even consider at this point and it's only me speaking would be a fiveyear pilot if I agreed to one at all okay uh a maximum that's basically you mean that would be the
maximum years Max yes I'm sorry yes maximum is wouldn't that be a tax abatement not a pilot well it depends does anybody else have any questions for Dr try if not I'd like to thank you again for coming in
the uh Council will take this you know and look at it and have some conversations obviously about it and our committee will get back to you on what we think we should be doing to go forward one one other comment um we we we gave out two different renderings of
the exterior um there were two different looks so we would we want to um get the the you know the take you know different the two one was a little bit more modern a little bit and one was a little bit more blending with the area so we have those two different op options and we're
open to adjust to what we're looking to see in the area are we looking to try to make to modernize it a little bit more or we want to try to stay within the line and that's we you know we're open to suggestions as we as as we gave two different options with the renderings as
we uh go forward in the process the one thing I know we have a lot of opinions so I'm sure we're going to let you know okay thank you just like pleasure pleasure thank you thank you thanks council president can I just will we be having an executive session on this so everyone can mostly discuss I think that'll be at the next time I didn't put
it on I don't mean tonight tonight deliberately but yeah I would assume the committee is going to review this first to make some recommendations in s we have our committee we will go through it uh we will make some recommendations from there and I think it's appropriate that we give ourselves a couple weeks
here to kind of sure I always say digest digest there's a lot to absorb here yes there is so but again thank you for coming in um Madam clerk where am I moving to now approval of minutes approval of minutes all right
we're going to the approval of the minutes regular meeting minutes of March 13 2025 and executive session uh meeting minutes on March 13th 2025 I'm looking for a motion and a
second to approve for Content only may I have a motion I'll make that motion may have a second second any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed the above mentioned meeting minutes are now
approved now we're going to move on to ordinances uh we have one two three four five ordinances on for tonight the first one number six is a second reading so when we do that we will open it up for uh public comment
and the other four are first reading so Madam clerk if you would start with ordinance number six please ordinance number six of 2025 an ordinance authorizing and approving the execution and delivery of the Second Amendment to a long-term tax exemption and capital
contribution agreement between Bay View Court urban renewal LLC and the City of Summers Point dated May 3rd 2016 and the Fifth Amendment to the Redevelopment agreement between Bay View Court Urban renewable LLC in the city of Summers
Point dated May 3rd 2016 may I have a motion to open for public comment on ordinance number six only I'll make that motion may have a second second all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed we are now open for public
comment on ordinance number six motion to cose public portion on ordinance six may have a second second all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed we are now closed for
ordinance uh public comment on ordinance number six may I have a motion to adopt and a second um to adopt ordinance number six may I have a motion for I'll make that motion a second any comments uh Mr President yes sir Mr if I
could just comment real real briefly and and while she read the title there Madam clerk read the title there I just want to point out that this is an amendment to an agreement of a long-term tax exemption uh agreement that was made in
2016 and and just to refresh everybody's memory that was at the atlis and uh and and as I said earlier there's a lot of positive things that happened here and that was very positive and and uh when we met uh Scott and his father uh it was
a very good day for Summer's point and uh I'm going to be supporting this uh Amendment and and it you know it ties into the the development the parking lot development we had as well as those uh units there that have turned out very well so thank you thank you any other
comments not hearing any comments may I have a motion to adopt you did that did we did that already May roll call on this one all right may I have a roll call please council member D yes council
member G yes council member deanis yes council member Johnston yes council member Owen yes council member mcgan yes council president Habor yes uh so that is adopted thank
you and we're going to move to number seven please ordinance number seven of 2025 Bond ordinance providing for various Capital Improvements in and by the city of Summers point in the county of Atlantic New Jersey appropriating
3,479 455 therefore and authorizing the issuance of 3,3 $ 5,455 bonds or notes of the city to finance part of the cost thereof okay may I have a a motion so
moved a second second any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed ordinance number seven is introduced ordinance number eight please ordinance number 8 of 2025 Bond
ordinance providing for various sewer utility Capital Improvements in and by the city of Summers point in the county of Atlantic New Jersey appropriating 1,656 therefore and authorizing the issuance of $1,656 bonds or notes of the city to
finance part of the cost thereof so moved I have a second second any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I I any opposed not hearing any opposed osed ordinance number eight is introduced ordinance number nine
ordinance nine of 2025 an ordinance amending Article 2 Kennedy Park boat ramp of chapter 199 Parks and Recreation facilities and its sections 199-4 watercraft launching fees and 199
d8 permits okay so moved we have a second second any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed ordinance number nine is
introduced number 10 please ordinance number 10 of 2025 an ordinance amending chapter 250 vehicles and traffic Article 1 General Provisions section 250- 43.1 parking of boats and boat trailers so
moved have a second please second any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed ordinance number 10 is introduced now we're going to move on to uh resolutions correct um may have a
motion to open up so moved I have a second second any comments no comments favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed we are now open for comments from the
public on resolutions only motion to close we have we got somebody coming up motion to close no motion no no stop calm down calm down I made him stop Patricia Pearson
587 Marks Road um the one about the Ocean City and the court uh 101 2025 Summers point to enter into a shared service agreement with the city of Ocean
City where is bace this is all temporary right it's for a uh two-year period yes why doesn't it say that it does say it so the Public's Theos to know what the heck's going on
if you're sharing something with Ocean City you have to put down you should put down two years shouldn't you it should say that in the resolution actually that the resolution um I read it it does not it
says just uh so it's temporary September I checked with Ocean City right we haven't entered into an agreement yet right into agreement that agreement is is pending it's is pending but it appears to be two years yes right that's
what we're talking about two years okay then I respectfully request that you write it differently and the people know that it's pending okay thank you yes thank you very much anybody motion to close the public
second any comments nope not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed I don't think you want those comments any opposed not hearing any opposed we are now closed for public comments on
resolutions correct all right here we go resolution number 98 resolution number 98 of 2025 a resolution authorizing the city of Summers Point city clerk to issue a Class C retail 31 club license to SP paddle Club m a
motion second any comments not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed resolution 98 is approved resolution number 99 please resolution number 99 of 2025 authorizing inter local agreement
between the city of Summers point and the county of Atlantic concerning pedestrian and traffic improvements within the county right of way of Shore Road so moved second any comments not hear any comments all in favor I I any opposed not hear any opposed number
resolution number 99 is approved number 100 please resolution number 100 of 2025 authorizing purchase of sports facility products through the sourcewell national purchase in program contract from athletica Sports Systems Inc contract
number 120320 D A for the city of Summers point so moved second any comments any comments all in favor I I opposed not hearing any opposed
resolution number 100 is approved we do have three items on three resolutions on a consent agenda may I have a motion to so moved second any comments Oh's are live up here tonight uh yeah we are live
all in favor I any opposed i' hearing any opposed to consent agenda is approved does anyone have any old business excuse me to discuss go ahead Mr Smith we want to make this a more inth
conversation have an ex session invation outo some settlement discussions
have end to a settlement conference theed judge I come back to you before an executive session and outline what was coun it uh I had a discussion with the
judge who then discussed the matter with the council work Gard State there sign byre it by and increasing it by half foot and I
told the judge I assume that uh since this is not really much of a change that I doubt it going to to really take that as a serious offer so if anyone wants to discuss this if not I'll go back and the
judge it was a half a half a foot lower six inches lower is that what it oh six inches higher but four feet okay all right thank you right okay didn't
sound that's a non it doesn't sound like it's very material to me uh change so have an obligation to present council president as far as I'm concerned it's a non-starter we need to tell them we're not interested in that
proposal Janice do you have any Miss Johnston do you have anything I don't think it's much of a change no okay I don't think it pamplet you think it's much of a change or just Mr gity I'm not in favor of it Mr
Owen No Mr McAn uh no and just to clarify for everyone here this is a an appeal on some we were sued and won the suit and this is an appeal upon that suit and a and an attempt
to mediate or we settle it it's just just just me pontificating thank you I believe that's thank you for listening I believe that's a statement you are you are correct thanks that's all I need that is a statement so I think you have I think you have
direction from us Mr Smith on how to proceed on that one that's one uh the other issue was uh you'll recall relative to the uh Aldi that uh part of the proc is going to be the uh
reconstruction of Route n and Groveland Avenue uh Mr nead represents uh the Aldi and they uh do have a fully approved plan from the Department of Transportation they're waiting for the
Attorney General to release the documents for signatures being told uh they had come to us before and requested that we allow them to Dem theer while tendency of the
documentation coming from the even though they don't have that President looks like it's very close we do have a Redevelopment agreement that requires this work to be done before they get occupi the building they come back and said well if we going to
demolish if you'd like to start the work so what I need is a St note as to whether it's okay to let Mr nead know that they can and we just simply have to notify the uh Construction office that the permits
could be issued and for the demolition this is for the demolition yeah no oh okay no we we already demolition okay they deci it andrs can can I ask can I ask a quick
question yes you may um you you participated in the disc discussion today so yeah I know that's fine you oh I got to get permission first go ahead Mr Mayor so um I know that everything was hinged on the fact that they would make the uh improvements
uh to grovin Route 9 which they already got you said that the do already signed off on they waiting for signatures so it's really not technically signed off um even if we were to let them get their permits to start the demo and start the
project we can still prevent them from opening by if they have not fulfilled the Redevelopment agreement of having the intersection so we wouldn't be able to issue we have the power to not issue them a TCO and or a CO until that gets done correct that is correct all right
thank you you're welcome and that would include all the drainage and weight you know widening of the road and everything everything that develop the Redevelopment called for because I wasn't part of the Redevelopment agreement so that's why I'm asking a question I I I don't want to get caught in a technicality where they did half of
it and they didn't do the other half it's it's all of the upgrades to that intersection including okay from and we have that control when I went through that for the sake of the public and for the council when I was was at that intersection today they were they were doing some
surveying that appeared to be you know as far as stre the improvements to the intersection are concerned so they're out there interested in getting it approved they've been there a couple times I've seen them my understanding to that is that's all the way down Route
9 surve all the improvements along Route n that are planned planned for the whole Road or just section Groveland to into Northfield somewhere I've seen them on grin several times at that intersection but the but the my understanding is the
state plan actually only calls for from Chapman Boulevard right North okay and this is actually a separate project to that but know that I I haven't seen them myself but I've been told this i' I've only I've only seen them at the uh grov grovin Avenue intersection but appears
as though they're they're certainly making an effort I would think they would want the intersection improved basically with the same timing of the construction of alleys so I think that's what their goal is I I just want to make sure that we as a council and we as a city have something to hold back that we
do they can't get in that building and and operate it without that was building it seems a lot of expense and tooy so I think that I think well protected here I just need a
St okay can we start with Mr gity would you um approve the fact that they could begin to do work um yes Mr Owen I kind of well be nice to see the ink on the paper but you can't hold up
progress you know so you're you're a yes then sure Mr mcgan yes Mr the pamphlet yes M Johnston yes Mr Dill yes I am also yes thank
you thank mayor for participating in the earlier you got it does anybody else have any old business yeah Council council president uh being is the budget has passed I would just like to take this time to thank our auditor our
business administrator our Chief Financial Officer and the department heads for putting this budget together and making it work the way it has I think less than two cents increase is a fabulous budget based on today's current
economy and uh I'd also like to thank my other members of the budget committee who put a lot of hours in also thank you thank you Mr d i i think that Echo Mr Dill's comments of all the work that went in it also by having it done
tonight it gives our finance department Jason's correct me if I'm wrong here uh a better process through the bond ordinances and the other work they have to do it's less rush for them and it's a more um flowing process am I
right okay so I think that's you know one of the things we're all trying to strive to not to rush through it but to do it the uh the best way anybody else have any old business or any comments on Old business I guess not any new business okay not hearing any new
business Mr Frost can we discuss the bills please certainly uh this evening we have a record7 okay may I have a motion to open for public comment so moved second okay all in favor I I excuse me
any opposed not hearing any opposed we are now open for public comment public portion CL off Patricia Pearson 587 Marks Road um are you going to do the
uh the parking or pass do it another day what we did you're talking about the boat ramps yeah what I had to do um with Mr Smith's help is uh put out two ordinances first because there was some things that had to be addressed in the ordinances to tie them up so our hope is
since everything passed tonight on the ordinances we can do the second reading of the ordinances Mr Smith at the next meeting and have the resolution on at the next meeting the Sentinel ler has a big big article I read it did you read it I would have loved to have had the uh
resolution out but when we started digging in and peeling back the onion a little bit there was some things that really had to technically be uh corrected in the uh ordinances and I didn't want to do you know I had there's a process for that so that's why we pushed it back to the next meeting tell
the public because some people in the public want to know about that and I I I thank you for asking that question you're welcome now the sign at the diner the sign um what did that do what went to
arbitration and you made it uh a little smaller and a little higher is that what it was Mr Smith um I think that's the B your old business we just discussed um if you don't mind giving clarification to miss
Pearson rege discuss Council not satisfied I that to AR okay thanks for telling us that now I'd like to say short on Dr
try what is is a a million dollars times a 100 condos is that a billion dollars is a 100 how much is a billion dollars 100 million it's a thousand million is it I don't even I can't think let me look at my bank account it's a lot of
money Mrs Bear yeah I know well let me just tell you something highend did you hear it highend highend you see the pictures didn't even pay for big drawings or anything took pictures out of uh you know magazine you know whatever you know you know the story
okay so now okay now highend highend highend Summer's Point taxes are going to get so much you're going to get this you're going to get that you're going to get everything okay in a blue collar town so does the blue collar town want
this high and mega condo I I'm asking you you may before you make all these decisions I know you probably are going to be smart on this but you you should talk to the general public and see what the heck is going on
and if there's a thousand people across the street at the point you don't even see those people they might be here and they might I live in that neighborhood I mean they're not overwhelming the neighborhood but all these high-end high-end high-end since when did we
become we have a historic district and now all of a sudden we're so highend on a blue collar Town think about it I thank you I thank you for your comments I I have to agree with her may I have your name please for the record
Mr Greg Clayton 28 Del we're avue Summer's Point thank you Greg and um I just want to speak regards the U the presentation that was put on when I was on Council I saw people wanted to open a flower shop on Route n that gave
you more information than Mr try gave you I didn't see any architectural drawings I didn't see any engineering drawings I heard a lot of Statistics but he didn't quote anybody that could confirm that um and if you think the lot
space is 80% now with what I saw in that drawing this is a nightmare I don't know what you're going to be able to discuss because he really didn't tell you anything he used high end about a hundred times and I have to say the vague threat that he's going to reopen
his nightclub and bring in desirables I didn't take kindly to that I was highly offended so I mean if you're going to really discuss this you need to bring him back he needs to bring an architect he needs to bring an engineer there's C
issues there's flooding down there that nightclub hasn't been open in 10 years so I don't know what he's talking about that you know it it brings 700 people in and parking and 32 people in a building that size you don't spend a million and a half dollars and only come down twice a
year so I mean I was highly offended by it I got nothing from it except a bunch of pictures so good luck thank you Gary gray 28 Summers Avenue Summers
Point um for once I agree with Pat um back in 2005 had very similar Universe right situation where a very large condo project wanted to be built
not far from where this Dr try project want to be built um it created a lot of problems we took the effort to do a petition we garnered 1,18 84
signatures we uh presented it to um the city clerk she confirmed that of those 1, 184 signatures 988 of them were registered voters at the city of suers point it went on the ballot and it was
overwhelmingly approved by an 83% um approval rate to keep the height at no larger than 45 ft so unless I'm mistaken 70 ft is far far in excess and the main reason was
the density that that would cause um I have a copy of the ordinance which was introduced by the then councilman Smith I was ordinance 8 of
2005 you want a copy of it I have them available yeah I know just yeah let's just clarify that's Harvey Smith that was Harvey Smith to 2005 I I often get often confuse those
two thank you for your comments evening gentlemen Jean dobley two summers Avenue it's like Casey stangle said or Yogi bar uh you know stja vu all over again uh we've been through this and uh all the things Gary said I
support so please use your good judgment thank you thank you hey by the way your your house looks great I wrote by today Tom probably going to be your monthly visit about this bike path
matter um I just want to clarify a few things that are in the article again I don't have to and for my protection I'm not going to right for retaliation at for well you know thanks for me in
danger attorney Thomas Smith I'll be sure to let my lawyer know that you doing it we'll do so the article talks about 341,000 just rounding it off of cost and how it would leave the city
paying 265 um um you claim that there's going to be a grant for this benches on the bike path and a workout station and one I counted coming over
here tonight I counted almost 15 from uh Beth road to to here on the other side there's an average of three benches plus this the stations couple stations heading up towards Lynwood so I think
your EXC excuse and Grant request is bogus okay I don't know what you're really trying to do but it's bogus and workout stations will create a danger there are gyms that's where it belongs you don't live right on the bike
path you don't know what goes on every day you don't know what goes on at some of those little stations I see it when I take a walk sometimes I stop walking because of it so I'm just trying to tell you you better not plan on doing it because it's
just going to be a bigger problem and again even if it's just me but I have a feeling I'll get some more support outrageous to even think to propose that and then expect the city to pay for it resident of the city there's gyms you
can go for 1015 a month so come on and if there was any right place for it it would be down and what they used to call the pit plenty of room there but I don't even want to see where we would waste tax dollar our tax dollars when
people can go to the gym and if people want to work out that's where they go so that's the scoop and if I am in danger Mr Smith you will hear from my thank you very much for your comments so you got nothing to say no thank you very
much I do have one more question is Greg Schneider who put in the grant does he live in summers point is that who his name is do I have the right name yeah does he live in summers Point that's a question
hello anybody I think just like she doesn't want to give his address I don't think we should give her his address I don't want his address I just want to know if he lives in this town I'm certainly not going to answer that thank no you don't have to answer I'm not going to thank you oh oh I see you give out my address
to the whole world but you're not going to tell me where this engineer who's last minute ma'am I don't want to cut you off that I never saw your three minutes are up thank you very much are we're back to three minutes yes it was we'll see next meeting thank you if I don't go out of
town maybe next month thank you good evening Bill Collins 814 Bay Avenue at the last meeting uh was here president habber corn had asked uh some input from our city solicitor and and our city administrator to look into the
issues associated with the boat ramps at Kennedy Park and Gul Avenue I was just wondering if there's any been any progress with what they have found that's the two ordinance that are on tonight was was a lot of the work that we looked into that to do that and get
those ordinances out there as I was explaining earlier we put the ordinances on for the first reading tonight the second reading will be at the next and then the resolution would also be on at the next again but that wasn't my question my question is have they found any issues or problems with the gates to
resolve it I didn't find the issues spe address yeah uh Dan right all right so we're going to talk about what do we do Gates or something else versus the yes
in the resolution okay that's my question sorry Bill I I thought you meant a a broader question and Mr Smith answered it so thank you thank you motion to close the public
portion okay got somebody no that's okay don't be sorry so my name is Michael gone I live at 19 Cornell Road in summers Point obviously um in regards to Dr chalky uh it's terrible idea we're like she
said a blue collar town we need to attract families not Out of Towners who have second homes and want to use us for their entertainment this is a family oriented Town not a tourist town and you gentlemen up here have raised your
children here I'm a blue collar man single parent my taxes just keep going up and this and uh Mr jocky had mentioned something about uh whatever it was uh 5 year period yeah where's my tax break I don't make a million dollars you
know like come on let's think about the the families that are here and attract more families to this town instead of bringing these bougie people in that aren't helping us and that's all I have to say thank you thank you for your comments thanks M thank [Applause]
you um hi Moren hellig 106 East stalls and I would just like to clarify something for the public um if there we you guys put the um agenda on 48 hours before the meeting I've seen it on Facebook um which is helpful and I just
think people should know that if they want to know what these ordinance are because you only put a two sentence thing there or resolution all they have to do is email Shelby was very kind today I emailed her within 10 minutes she sent me the ordinance that I asked about so you guys are making it
available to the public but you need to let them know because reading this you don't know what's in these ordinances and Mr Collins asked about you know and you said the resolution you're going to read it next meeting but we don't know what it says and you're not given copies
here so I think the public should know it is available the clerk will give it to you if you need it and so I just wanted to P point that out thank you very much we'll make that clear in the future then thank you motion to close the public portion have a
second second all in favor any opposed not hearing any opposed we are now closed the public portion payment losing my voice here sorry pay the bills uh payment of the bills I may I have a
motion to pay the bills so moved I have a second second all in favor I any opposed not hearing any opposed Mr fraud please go ahead and pay the bills uh comments from the governing body do we have any comments I have one comment yes
sir this is my I believe 15th or 16th meeting since I've been back yes sir this is the first one with no executive session yes sir congratulations well what you miss it the um I am happy to report that is true uh
but uh you know the uh the other thing that I wanted to just comment on um I know there was a a lot of people here and we had Dr try come in much as we had a person present last um time on 90 Broadway and it's been one of
our U movements forward here to make sure that we have that in open public forum so that people can come in and voice their opinion so as we begin to undertake the process of what's going to be next that we are getting input from the the public so I appreciate everybody
coming out here and I am I I have good of the order too say that again please I have a good of the order as well today um seeing girls out there playing softball seeing our our Fields being utilized today um like to think that it was part of the Police Athletic League
uh getting girls you know practicing softball so want to thank uh our Police Athletic Organization for bringing all that in front of our Recreation board to fation thanks
uh I just want to go back to what you were saying and and obviously you know we we brought and when this was put on the agenda and we had this discussion we certainly realized it would be it would it would elicit some controversy and
some discussion and like you just articulated there that's why we put it out here because if we if we just dismiss him away and not have this public input he's not going to know about the public input this way he's going to be become
aware of that public input and and you know as much as I love the Bay Avenue district and and you know I have an idea of what I would want to see there what's he going to put there eventually that that corner or that piece of property is going to get developed somehow and and I
think that if if the neighborhood stays Vigilant like it is we'll be able to have a significant amount of input into it so we need to stay vigilant and and having him come here at least elicits that input so you know that's
why that's put there and and those questions I ask are try to to flush out the details so that he gets on a record so thank you anybody else have any comments with the good of the order if not may I have a motion to
adjourn the meeting I'll make that motion I have a second second I have a second second all in favor I I yes huh there a way we can blame the clerk for that yes