Yeah. Now they're leaving upside down. >> They took it out and certainly. >> Let's call this meeting to order. If we could all rise for a flag salute, please
to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Well, good evening everybody. >> Good evening.
>> Thank you. Uh before May I have a roll call poll, please? >> Council member Deanis >> here. >> Council member Dill >> here. >> Council member Gity >> here. >> Council member Johnston >> here. >> Council member McGuigan >> here.
>> Council member Owen >> here. >> Council President Habercorn >> present. Also present is Mayor Tap, Administrative Frost, city clerk Keith, city solicitor Smith, and um that's our group here for
tonight. Uh pursuant to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided. The agenda for this meeting is posted in city hall and on the city's website, summersgov.org, pursuant to city code A266-9D.
and to afford everyone an opportunity to address the governing body, the public may speak only one time and not to exceed 3 minutes. I also ask that when people are addressing uh the council that they please uh have their remarks towards me,
not to any individual on the council. We we do it that way and also uh try not to uh any personal attacks keep and not be too boisterous. We want to have good decorum throughout the evening. So, thank you. Um, anybody have any communications?
Not hearing any communications. Uh, Mayor Tap, please. >> I just have a few items here. Uh, this past Tuesday, we had our Veterans Day ceremony. I want to take the opportunity to thank the chief of police uh, as well as our Summers Point Police Department for providing the uh, closing closing of
the street and, uh, protecting us there. Guy Martin and Steve Hornick from public works for the cleanup for uh all the materials that's necessary to make that uh event go off. Uh it was a uh well attended considering it was 35 mph winds
and it was really really cold. So uh this is our only meeting for November. So, I want to go through some events that's coming up in December, which would be prior to our December meeting, uh, which is, uh, December 5th.
It's a Friday night and it's from 5 to 6 from the Summers Point unique experience. They have their porch, um, performances, which start on in Summer's Yeah. starts on Summers Avenue which is right between I don't have the exact
house but you'll see where the group is but it's between Bay Avenue and Shore Road that starts at 5 and then it jumps to different houses uh on their porches and I believe they end up at Gregory's afterwards. uh just follow the crowd that's there on uh December 6 uh at the
mansion put on by um the Patriots is the Christmas mark and that starts at 10:00 a.m. and it goes till 400 p.m. And that same night, December 6th is our Christmas parade which starts at 6:00, starts at Dolls Avenue, ends up at city
hall. Uh, and December 7th is Breakfast with Santa at Fire Company number two. That's at 9:00 a.m. And we will have Celebrity Chefs. By the way, I signed up to everyone on council to cook. Um, so
don't worry, you just got to be there at 6. I'll send an email out and cordally invite you all. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Uh I do want to take an opportunity to uh on behalf of the city council and the mayor want to wish Rosemary Howal from the construction
office a belated happy birthday. It was just a couple days ago. So uh I don't want to tell her how old because you never want to say that. >> Shouldn't. >> And then lastly, you know, because this is our last meeting of the month, I want to wish everyone a happy Thanksgiving. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor.
>> You're welcome. Mr. Frost, >> thank you. Mr. Smith, >> nothing. Thank you. Uh does anyone have any committee reports? Um I it's not a committee, but it's our uh we walk Summers Point Group. Uh we're going to be celebrating our 18th month
of walking. Uh it's hard to believe Jason from uh when we first started talking about this with the insurance company back about it almost two years ago. Make sure good there and all the time being able to present here to city council about it and the rec board. Uh
but it's been a very gratifying experience because so many people have come out. They've gotten to know each other really well. Got some really good friendships going. It's more of a support group in a lot of ways because a lot of our people out of walking are caregivers. Uh and then, you know, they
also support one another and that's been a really good experience. So for me, I really uh it's been a good good experience. So I wanted to share that with everybody. If anybody wants to come out and walk anytime, feel free to. But it's a really good strong group of people and I'm proud to be part of it.
Anybody else have any >> Mr. I'm sorry. Go ahead, >> Mr. D. >> Yeah, just uh to mention the uh the Veterans Advisory Committee uh met last month and uh the uh Pearl Harbor
celebration on uh December Sunday, December 7th at 100 p.m. And I'd like the public to come out and support that. Thank you. Thank you. Uh thank you. Yeah. Several weeks ago I noticed that the uh auxiliary parking
lot for the uh Atlantic Care urgent care on uh Groveland and uh Shore was not up to Summers Point standards and I had an opportunity to speak to Matt Levenson who's the vice president of uh external
affairs and development for Atlantic Care as well as a Lynwood city councilman and uh pointed that out to him. I just want to publicly thank him because he took action and uh really spruced up that parking lot and uh you know it it looks great. Uh it looks a
lot better than it was. Um, the other thing I need to report is I I attended a uh the CRC meeting, excuse me, the other day and there's a there's a proposed building uh on Bay Avenue, Bay Avenue and uh and Gibbs that uh would be uh a
retail and office uh facility and there is some unique solutions uh that they're looking at uh with regards to uh parking uh as it is next to a a municipal parking lot. So, I'm going to be sending out some information uh over the next
few days uh for you to take a look at and uh perhaps with your uh blessing we can have them come in and make a little presentation uh at our next meeting. >> Sounds great. Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. Council President. Uh this coming
Sunday, Summers Point Arts Commission is going to be hosting a creative uh flow rating group over at the Senior uh recreation building on Amber Road. Uh creative flow writing group is from 10 to 12. It's free. Uh up to 15 people.
Free writing prompts, mindful practices, and space to share. Receive gentle feedback. Bring your notebook and pen. Amanda will be there to facilitate in the morning uh writing prompts and then after that uh there there's going to be
a creative flow art club uh same location from 12 to 2:00 p.m. Uh basically 12:30 there will be a demo uh building dynamics base layers. Uh Shaina will be doing this live demo and how she
creates base layers in her mixed media paintings which provide the playful intuitive foundation that gives a piece of its energy and texture. So please please be you know if you want to come out it's free to the public and it's
going to be a really good time. Thanks. >> Thank you, Mike. Anybody else have any committee reports? Not hearing any more committee reports. I need a motion and a second to um approve the regular meeting
minutes of October 23rd, 2025 and executive session minutes of October 23rd, 2025 for content only. May I have a motion? Council President, I've abstained from the regular meeting minutes on the 23rd because I wasn't here, but I did
>> read them. >> I did um I did watch, >> but I was a part of the executive, >> you know. So, >> okay, sounds good. >> Okay. Can I have a motion? >> I'll make that motion. >> Have a second. >> Second. >> Any comments? Not hear any comments. All
in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. The abovementioned meeting minutes are approved. Uh there is one ordinance. >> Mr. uh president >> if at this time I would like to make a motion. I know that we had tabled uh uh
ordinance number 17. I'd like to make a motion that we bring that off the table and uh consider that this evening. >> We would need a second. >> I'll make that second. >> Um madam clerk, can I have a roll call on this and see
member McGreg? Yes. >> Council member Dill. >> Yes. >> Council member Owen. >> Yes. >> Council member Johnston. >> No. >> Council member Gity. >> No. >> Council member Deanis. >> No.
>> Council President Habberorn. >> Yes. >> Okay. So now, um, Mr. Smith. This is where I often times need some direction here on how to make sure we follow the process perfectly and not every second.
>> Yes, it has. >> Certain criticism was leveled at that time. And I had indicated at that time we weren't changing that aspect of the uh discussion about the operation of
electric bikes and scooters property. >> All we were doing was those properties were including electric So bicycle down there anyway fuel
liquid fuel gas. So I just want to make sure that people last. So public. >> Do I have the madam clerk read the ordinance first?
Please read the ordinance. >> Ordinance number 17 of 2025. An ordinance of the city of Summers Point, county of Atlantic, state of New Jersey, regulating the operation of electric bicycles on municipal bike paths and public sidewalks. Amending chapter 250
vehicles and traffic article 8 bicycles, skateboards, skates, and scooters of the municipal code. >> We have a motion to open for public comment, please. >> So moved. >> I have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I opposed. Not hearing any opposed. We
are now open for public comment on ordinance number 17 only. So if anyone wants to speak, come on up. Motion to close the public. >> Wait, we got somebody. Okay, we got something. I didn't know we had somebody.
>> Do you mind just stay? Thank you. >> Please don't start my time clock. Just you shut me off before, but >> a point of clarification. So, what just happened? >> The ordinance is now open for the second uh reading. So, now the public can
comment on the ordinance. Remember the first reading? Okay. You couldn't. And then we tabled it the next meeting. Now we brought it back up. It's off the table and it's the second reading of that ordinance. >> All right. So you can start at the clock.
>> Go for it. Just shut me off. Anyway, >> no. No. Also, >> I guess you know before you start before we uh start the clock, there is >> one second. There is a opportunity after three minutes if city council so chooses
to vote to extend the time by a couple minutes. So if you know don't feel like you know we're just cutting you off >> and we're trying to to have you know stay to the limit but you know what I think I'm going to be under two minutes. >> Okay. Go ahead.
>> In any event you know I I guess my thing is you know my question Mr. president, you know, just address to you, how many how many members have an ebike? You know, is this just out of curiosity, does anybody here have an ebike?
>> Because I do. And and you're attempting to regulate something that I don't know if you guys all have one, but you know, as I said before, and I do have a I I have an ebike. I do hold a new New Jerseys driver's license and know know
the rules of the road. And it is my ebike is pedal assist says um and my usual traveling speed is under 50 mi 15 mile an hour. It's never to be considered a motorcycle. If you genuinely care about safety, you need to address enforcement with real
consequences. One person per bike. I think that needs to be critical. Um enforcement of New Jersey sale helmet rules. We talked about this two uh the last meeting I was here. These rules have been in place.
Just curious. Pursue mandatory school registration. I mean, hang on, let me go back. How many patrolling officers does the city have on eBox to enforce on a daily basis without that enforcement? Sounds more like hope versus re reality. Um pursue mandatory school registration
to park on school property and education to ride and ebike to school. Schools used to have drivers driver's ed get a parking permit. Add ebikes to that list of education and requirements to come and go with an ebike. Consequences for
not following the rules. How are we how are you going to enforce helmet? Helmet laws has been in place for many years for minors. But has there ever been and here's my question. Has there ever been any enforcement in this city of kids riding bikes under 17 years old? Just
curiosity. Ask your police chief. Well, >> have they ever arrested anybody? >> I don't know if they've arrested them, but they have been up on the bike path handing out uh helmets and handing out >> what's the consequences is my thing. Sounds like it could simply be lip service with that clear
consequences. I very much seems like pure, you know, ca when the next tragedy happens. Um, you need to have something in place to be proactive with something that takes a real bite to those who will not comply. Here we go. I personally
commend you and I mean this in all sincerity for addressing the issue that has been building and realize this is the first step. You cannot solve a problem without trying. We all know that you got to try. Not no action is nothing. Uh the most difficult part of solving a problem is recognizing and you
all have done this. There is a problem and clearly you recognize this. Inaction has been no action. I really think this is time to do it. We just came home from Europe the other day and I'll tell you what, I have seen so much stuff in Amsterdam and other parts of Europe. You
think we have a problem? They have major problems. But I'm telling you what, you need to nip it in the butt right now because it's going to get out of control. It is it's it's not out of out of control yet, but we all saw what happened July 14th. Just please keep
this in mind. That's all I'm asking you for. I am an ebike. I don't care what you do. Um, personally I don't I mean I'll ride my ebike. I can ride it on the road. But what we have in mind here is
kids, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12 year old kids riding these ebikes with mom and dads that buy these things that don't understand the consequences and where they're at. Leave it at that. Did they do under three minutes? >> No, but that's okay. Thank
>> I I interrupted you for a few seconds. So I >> I think you Does anybody else have any uh comments? >> Let me get your name and address, please. >> Wendy Vaka, 601 Sunny Street. Um I have an ebike as well. Um I also have a
license. I drive according to the laws. I have seven grandchildren who also ride with me. They do not have ebikes, but I need the ebike to keep up with them on their pedal bikes. Um, I think the ebike gives certain people opportunity to be able to go further and do things. Um,
but I do understand the safety as a main concern. My main concern is these children that I see all the time on the bike path riding the ebikes and getting pushed off of the bike path because they can no longer ride them there. And then what happens is they're on the city streets. Um, I personally rode my ebike
over to Ocean City. And in Ocean City, you're not allowed to ride on certain sidewalks. So, I was riding in the street and I got pushed off the street by a bus, fell off my ebike onto the sidewalk, and I got injured. That's what I'm concerned about with these kids not being able to ride their ebike on the
bike path. It's a safe place for them to ride. I think it's better trying to make rules for them to ride than to push them off onto the street. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anybody else? Get a motion to close. >> Motion to close portion.
>> A second. Second. All >> in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Not hearing. Any opposed? We are now closed for public comment. All right. Let's see here. Say that again. >> Any discussion? >> Well, first
>> I think now you have discussion. >> Uh let's uh open it up for comments from uh city council. Any comments from up here? >> Uh yes. Um I'm against this uh ordinance. It's the same one that we introduced the last meeting or whatever
and it hasn't nothing's changed in it. And I'm I'm just against banning ebikes off the bike path. Our continu contiguous town is going to allow them and then they get to some point they got
to get off. It it just doesn't make any sense making kids. And I get a lot of calls from senior citizens that use it for exercise. The bike path is a safe place for them to go. They like being able to pedal a
little bit and then ride a little bit. I mean, I I agree there has to be some rules and there has to be some enforcement for for people that are breaking the rules. But I think you're punishing law-abiding citizens that want to ride their bikes with their
grandchildren on the bike path. It this this ordinance the way it's written does not make any sense to me. >> Uh what would you change? That's really why I had the tableabling exercise at the last time because I was hoping to get some dialogue before this meeting. But what would you like to see changed
in this ordinance that might might help? Well, I I don't want to see ebikes banned. I would like to see um maybe I I thought there was going to be some research done to find out, but I thought there was ebikes that there's
three different categories or three different types of ebikes and some of them go quick faster than others. So maybe just ban the fast ones and not the the ones that people are using for exercise. I mean, it just it doesn't
make any sense to me to I mean, aren't there ones that only go up to 19 m an hour and then the others go faster? >> Pedal assist. >> Okay. >> There are others that are not pedal assist that max out at 20 miles hour.
And then there's a a it's not even a category technically, but there are others and I think everyone has seen these. They almost look like a a motorcycle that are supposed to be out like 28 miles hour
and so that that is >> right. Okay. >> I mean, maybe just allow pedal assist feedbacks or like I don't, you know, again, I thought there was going to be a little more information for us.
>> I, you know, I thought I was going to get some feedback from other council members too. So, Mr. president may uh I did take the opportunity to do uh a lot of research on my own once once the thing was tabled just to make sure that that I was uh uh
>> right thinking in my in my opinion uh at the time and and since the advent of these ebikes uh I I've gotten untold calls from senior citizens all you know
you know regular uh younger people uh about keeping them off the bike path. The bike path is is really designed for regular bikes and pedestrians and and we're even adding to that by putting in these uh exercise stations which is
really going to enhance our bike path and really create as a jewel. uh you know in my research and reading that I've done over the last two or three weeks um you know there are areas Atlantic City boardwalk they're banned uh you know it it's to me uh it's not a
right mix uh we're asking people pedestrians and so forth to get out there get exercise uh but then we're putting these these rather souped up uh you want to call them motorcycles whatever they are these souped up ebikes and we've all seen them how they're how
they're being uh driven. Uh I I just think it's it's the right thing to do. So um that's where I stand. Thank you, Mr. President. >> You're welcome. >> Any other comments? >> Uh council president. >> Yes, Mr. >> U. First of all, we can all sit up here and agree to disagree. Um I'm in favor
of the ordinance. I mean, growing up, we had a thing. It was called, you know, mopeds. They were regulated. You had to have insurance. You had to be 16 years of age and you had to have a moped license. Mopeds go up to 30 mph.
It's kind of vague to look at how do we differentiate the various kinds of bikes, ebikes that are motorized on our bike path. We have senior citizens that walk the bike path. We have when I see a growing trend of new couples with baby
strollers on the bike path. I see this. And you know, you you look around and you want the people to in this town to be safe. We're talking about public safety. We're in a town of 11,000 residents.
And I want everybody to be safe at the end of the day when they when they go home and not get smacked by somebody who decides to, you know, turn it up. My sister-in-law got hurt in Lynwood by an ebike. Happened to be somebody that
wasn't 16. They happened to be like grown grown adult. You can't hear these things when they sneak up on you. So that's that that's where I'm at with this. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Mr. Gity. I see you're down there scribing a little bit. Do you have any comment or
>> Yeah, I'd just like to clarify a couple things. There's three classes of these bikes. Class one and two are the pedal assist that are the slow speed and class three which is the ones that go up to 28 miles an hour. Uh the ones
>> there two classes and then they have another set out there by statute. The the class one is pedal assist and then the the engine cuts off at like 19 or 20 miles hour and then the other one you
don't have to use the pedals and will go on its own up to 20 miles hour almost like so. So the distinction between that and the ones that go 30 miles hour >> really is really nothing.
>> It's funny because on the state website they're listed as class three. >> Yeah, I know. But >> but if you let me finish what I was going to say. >> Okay. All right. When I need you to let me know something, I'll let you know.
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. And the question was brought up about people modifying these. It says right in the state statute, if you modify one of these bikes, you fall into the third class and they need license and insurance. All the class 3es, which includes also mopeds
and stuff like that, all need license and insurance. So the low-speed bikes are the class one and class two. What I would like to see, and I thought was the original intention that we were on this, is to have some consistency with Lynwood's ordinance, which bans the fast
bikes, but keeps the low-speed pedal assist bikes on there. Now, they have a 10 mph speed limit that they put on there, which I know there some back and forth over having speed limits. Uh my
main concern is this is great all the way through town except till you get to Ocean Avenue in the Ocean Heights when you have kids riding these bikes to mainland because now when they hit Ocean Avenue they have to divert to Shore Road
and by law they can't be on the sidewalk so they have to be on the street. >> No, the bike path goes down the mainland. Yeah, but they're not >> they can't >> they're coming from >> if they're coming from mainland.
They got to get off street. >> Get on short roadwalk. >> Okay. So, you're telling me it's not okay to ride the electric bike on a bike path, but it's okay for them to ride on the sidewalk. >> Not this ordinance.
though now. >> Okay. Cuz what I'm saying is is now if if you ban this >> Yeah. >> these kids have to go up Ocean Avenue and according to motor vehicle laws, they have to go with the flow of traffic, which means they have to
crossshore road and be on the opposite side, the east side, northbound. All right? Which I think creates a dangerous thing. if they go west and go down Buffalo. Now, that puts them on Ocean Heights Avenue, of which we've had
several bicycle accidents there. So, I think that intersection right there, that one section of the bike path, needs to be addressed. Now, >> it's probably after I talk to him about it.
>> I don't think so. All right. >> Okay. All right. Is he is he taking up my three minutes? I just want to make sure that he's >> I would just like to see if we're going to do this to have consistency with Lynwood and do the same thing, not have
it where it's confusion where you go and then Northfield pops up and does something else. And you know, it's it's going to be hard enough figuring this out anyway. And there's a lot of things with these ebikes that according to the state statute are supposed to happen,
but nobody even knows what they are. You know, they're all supposed to have stickers on them that identify what type of bike they are. All right. Well, when somebody's going by you 20 m an hour, good luck reading the sticker. Yeah. So that's the reason why I'm not in favor
of the ordinance as written, but I would be in favor of it if it was amended. So that's all I have to say. >> Councilman Gary, can I ask a question? What would you amend it to? I would just make it uh consistent with Lynwood that
the class one and class twos are allowed on the bike path and I wouldn't even bother with the speed limit because I think that gets us into a whole another quagmire. You know, they can't really be enforced and you know what are we going to put a
radar cop on the on the bike path then and everything. So, I I still say, and I've said it here from day one that I came back here, education is where we have to be. We have to take a strong stance on that. I know we're supposed to get electric bicycles. We're supposed to train
officers to use them. We're supposed to have an outreach program and stuff. We got to move forward with that. We do have to I need to stop talking about it and actually just do it. But if this was amended, I would vote in favor of it.
Mr. Smith. Mr. Smith. Richard Smith. Sorry. Uh we uh these these class these ones with the pedal brakes and the ones that can only go 20 miles an hour. Do they also have pedals? >> Yes. >> I don't know if they have pedals, but
they don't need them. >> Moped. You could start the moped by pedaling. You can start the moped like a motorcycle electric bike. I think if they have pedals, they are
just >> none of us know. >> Can't have you calling out the public session goes by. So, you know, it it's you don't need anyone. Someone who's handicapped can get on a bike and and never pedal at all. They're the class
two. >> All right. Nobody else has any comments. >> Yeah, I do. >> You do. Go ahead. >> Um, well, usually laws without any teeth on what the paper they're written on.
Um, this might be one of those cases. Um, I'm in favor of doing something. Uh, we we cannot just sit here and wait for something else to happen. Uh, but I agree with Kirk that, uh, at least we
should be consistent with the city next to us. And I think we should put this aside again and see if we can come up with something a little bit better. Right. I'm I think
everybody else had a chance to talk. Okay. As we've gone through this, I think education is very important and that's part of the enforcement. So, we got to educate. We got to have signage up here. We have to have a police presence there. That police presence can be people on bicycles or it can be a
patrol car parked up there occasionally that flips on the lights. We're never going to chase because we're not allowed to by statute in the state to do. Let me just continue as we started to talk here and I was listening to everybody talk and I've listened to this from a lot of
people um you know in different occasions that have come forward on it. You start splitting hairs on a class one, a class two, a class three. We're putting enough pressure on our police as it is now to try to enforce this law. They're never going to be able to do it. And to your point, Rick, we have to have
some teeth. And the way to have teeth is to have nobody up there. In my mind, speaking for myself, this gives our police the opportunity to enforce the law because they're going to be able to see it and hopefully be able to correct it. I am forward doing this this way. I
I I would I will obviously have to we'll have to have a vote to see which way we go. I believe this is a start to go forward. One of the gentlemen talked a couple meetings ago that this has been two and a two years plus that he's brought it to city council. Deliberation
is not action. We need to take some action. And in my mind, listening to everybody that's talked about it, trying to differentiate bikes and say this one and that one and that one doesn't work. Putting speed limits up there. We can see it on the
streets. It's hard enough to enforce a 25 mph speed limit for our offices today. It's going to be no different up there. I do believe taking this step is the right step. But that's my opinion. So if everybody's spoken their peace,
>> I think it's unsafe to make children ride on the streets. >> Okay. I think >> I don't that's not safety. It's more safe to do that than it is to put up because when we do intersection we can argue this one said we can agree to disagree. >> We're not arguing we're discussing.
>> I said we can agree to disagree. Okay. That's what I said. Agree to disagree. Arguing is good. I mean you know we should debating is even better. Um anyway I think the next step is we have this hour as now.
Do we take a vote on it as it stands? >> So, >> so I need a motion and a second council president one amendment that I would like the council to consider and
that's uh first of all I guess I I'm ahead of myself. What if someone is fined we have requirements associated with that? The first first offense, second offense, third offense. Yeah. Does that mean they have to make a court appearance if they're if that's written up? >> Yeah.
>> Okay. All right. Uh because I was going to discuss conf uh taking the bikes from minors. Okay. And taking them to city hall and the parents coming down. But if we if they have to make a court appearance, they're going to be bo they're going to
have a problem enough. So I'm I changed my mind about making any type of an amendment on that. >> Remind everyone this has to be submitted to the state, >> right? line. >> Y >> ran into this issue couple years ago last year
couldn't enforce >> I think we have clear um we have a clear penalty here than we had correct Mr. Smith. Thank you. Okay. So I need a motion.
>> Can can we do so? So now we need a vote. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Let's do a roll call vote. >> We can amend it. >> Can we make a motion to amend it?
>> Second. >> We need to know what the amendment is first before second it. >> Make a motion to amend it to um is it pedal assist? Is that the um >> pedal assist? That's the the term,
right? Hello system. >> Yeah, that's a class one, >> right? So, what's what's what's going on here? I need a >> made a motion. >> Okay. >> To to for an exception, as I understand,
to allow pedal assist only. >> Okay. Right. >> Right. >> Is that consistent with Lynwood's ordinance? >> No. >> No, it's not. >> I got Lynwood's ordinance right here. >> They're allowing all of them. The operation or use of class one and
class 2 low-speed ebicycles are permitted along the Limwood bike path at a speed not to exceed 10 m hour. >> That's right. >> That's what it says. Class, they don't go. >> All right. So,
>> it's amended to that. >> Can you Can you articulate one more time? I would like to amend it to allow class one and class two to be consistent with Lynwood >> also >> um
>> speed that's what has >> yeah yeah I'm okay with that but I I don't know that that's >> right what was what was stated >> is what Janice originally stated without any speaker correct
Yes. >> Yeah. >> One more time. Tom Janice. Go ahead. Yes. One more time. S >> please. >> Amended to allow class one and class two. >> So we would need a second to that amendment.
>> Excuse me. Point of order. That amendment that she's stating there would is a pretty significant change to this ordinance >> and would basically render the ordinance >> a different ordinance. >> Right. So the idea. >> That's not the idea. But but the I then
that ordinance would have to be that's a new ordinance that would have to be publicized and we'd have to have a first read. >> Correct. >> So we're not amending the ordinance. We're replacing it. >> Right. Go ahead.
>> All right. Go ahead. >> The amendment would be This is it. the introduction of the amended ordinance and there will be a second reading on the publication and that occur.
>> Yeah, we have either one of the next two meetings. So that that's how that >> so it will be all said and done at one more meeting. >> Okay. >> All right. So >> all right. I'll second amendment. >> All right. I need a roll call. Now the
park to see you >> to amend. >> Council members amend. >> Okay. >> Council member Johnston. >> Yes. >> Council member Gity. >> Yes. >> Council member Deamplis. >> Yes. >> Council member Dill. >> Yes. >> Council member Owen.
>> I say yes. We're consistent with Lynwood. I think that'd be good. >> Yes. >> Council member McGwigan. >> No. >> Council President Habric. Now, so >> we have amended
>> we have amended ordinance. This is the first reading is tonight. The second reading would be at our December 11th meeting. >> Correct. >> And that'll be advertised, right? There'll be another public portion on that amendment. >> Yes. >> Just just the amendment is advertised,
right? >> The whole ordinance doesn't have to be advertised. >> Yeah. >> It's so much. That's fine. That's fine. So, madam, he's the attorney. >> Madam, I know I was just I had a question.
>> Madame clerk will take care of the procedure to make sure that it gets properly advertised. >> All right. I hope nothing else is as long as you're okay. Here we go.
>> Now, we're into uh resolutions. May I have a motion and a second to open to the public comment on resolutions only? >> I have a motion. So move. >> Have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Not hearing. Any opposed?
We are now open for public comment on resolutions only. Pat, take your time. Three minutes doesn't start until you give me your name and address. Patricia Pearson 5 87 Mark is this mock a
resolution Bernwood Mox the thing you're going to >> in executive session >> yes it's a resolution >> okay what is it >> resol phone calls today at my house what is it I didn't even know but what you
have to explain it a little better than on this paper so the public knows what you're going in the executive session for I the inventorying of computer records. We have to look at how we handle our public records and and how we do that. That has to be done uh with Mr.
Smith's guidance in a uh in a executive session. >> Okay. And then what or what is it? What are you doing? >> Resolution allowing municipality to enter >> computer
that would be able to certain >> and it falls under a negotiation. >> What data there when you uh I was listening so much to that bike that I listen um roof on the Gateway Theater. Is that
a resolution? >> It is a resolution. >> Okay. Now I got to cut more than one. All right, listen. Years ago when you fixed up the gateway theater and it was all done right in in council, whatever, somebody told me that they said when it
was absolutely finished, which it was a ribbon cutting, I love it. You love it, that it would be selfmaintaining. So, we have to look at the record or whatever because a person actually said they absolutely remember that. So, who's
putting a new roof on? Is it a grant? Is it tax money or is it self-maintaining? You got to know. >> I mean, it would be a capital purchase. >> The taxpayer would pay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Then when you when you do these
things, you have to say this is going to be on the taxpayer and this is going to be a public grant. Just don't say you put a new roof on if you said it in the in the you know before that it was in the >> right. I don't remember that, but I I know the person was trying to tell me
the truth. >> Playground equipment. >> I wasn't here. Yes. >> Is that um >> That's a grant. >> That's a grant there, Mr. Frost, that we're working on. >> Grant pending for that. >> It's all grant, right? Yes. So, it's not
on the taxpayers. Okay. And it's Oh, here was another one today. Um there's so much um construction going on all over town. You know, everybody sees it between, you know, Audi and
>> Y >> Scarboro and the whole and Ryan Holmes and everything else. Are is the city going to receive any tax? Are you going to lower the taxes because of all this construction? I know
they don't pay it yet. Well, I know what people want to know. Are the taxes going to come down? You know, are they or aren't they? >> I don't have a crystal ball on that, but uh >> we're talking about uh resolutions. I know >> you want to come back. >> I was giving I was giving her a little
>> All right. You want me to go in the public? >> You can do that. I was just trying to give you a little latitude when you're up. >> I'm sorry about that. >> That's okay. Don't worry about it. No need to apologize. You want to get up later and we can talk about it. >> Really, the answer is we would hope. >> Yes. Yeah, exactly.
>> You can't say yes, can't say no, but we would hope that we would. And if we have that opportunity, we will. >> Okay. All right then. >> You can come back up if you want. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you. >> Anybody else?
>> Motion to close the public portion. >> I have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? I. >> Any opposed? Nobody's opposed. So, public session is now closed. Resolution number 237, please. Resolution number 237 of 2025 authorizing purchase of
playground equipment through the Educational Services Commission of New Jersey National Cooperative Purchasing Program for contract number 2425-01 playground equipment site furnishings outdoor circuit training equipment and
reated products for JFK park. >> Motion moved second. Any comments? I just have a question if I could. The >> What's the status of the grant for the all-inclusive playground for JFK? Do we know anything about that?
>> That's this. >> That's this. Oh, okay. All right. Good. Okay. >> Any other comments? >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? Hearing any opposed? Resolution 237 is approved. Number 238,
please. Resolution number 238 of 2025, authorization of purchase through the use of state contract vendor Dell Corporation pursuant to NJSA4A1-12A and NJAC 534-7.29C for the use of SDL software for the city
of Summers Point Construction Office. >> Have a motion. So moved. >> A second. >> Second. >> Any comments? Not hearing any comments. All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. Resolution 238 is approved. 239, please.
>> Resolution number 239 of 2025, budget appropriation transfer. >> I have a motion moved. Second. Any comments? I hear any comments. All in favor? Any opposed? >> I hear any opposed. 239 is approved.
Number 240. Resolution number 240 of 2025, resolution approving a person-toperson transfer of plenary retail consumption license number 0121-33- 012-009
from SSD Diner LLC the Wind Jammer to Webster SP LLC. >> Have a motion. I'll make that motion. I have a second. >> Second. >> Any comments? >> Uh just one question. Uh, does anybody know whether they're going to do any major renovation or
>> I believe they are. Yes. >> Okay. Just questions I've been getting out on the street. They uh I just like to point out, not to interrupt you, but the uh >> one new owner is here, Chris. >> Tommy does I like to welcome the summer's point and
I look forward to the invest the investment. And I also like to wish the uh previous owners of the Wind Jammer uh good luck in their retirement. I I always enjoyed going there. They always treated me rather well. Thank you.
>> Yeah. I would also like to just say I'll miss the Wind Jammer. That was my weekly place to go. And uh friendly family, really good people and um I don't like the what's been in the news that they abruptly closed. this was not in an
abrupt situation or not an easy decision for them to make. So, um I would have missed them, but welcome to Summers Point. I look forward to something new. >> Yes. There you go. Any other comments? Not hearing any comments. All in favor?
>> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. Resolution number 240 is approved. Number 241. Resolution number 241 of 2025 authorizing executive session advice of council and attorney client privilege communication regarding issues
that have developed in connection with the contract between the city of Summers Point and Mox 5 relative to inventorying computer records. We >> have a motion moved. Have >> a second. Second. >> All in favor?
>> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. 241 is approved. Number 242. >> Resolution number 242 of 2025 authorizing executive session advice of council and attorney client privilege communication regarding contractual
negotiations between the city of Summers Point and the New Jersey State Health Benefit Program. >> Have a motion. I'll make that motion. We have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed.
Resolution 242 is approved. 243, please. >> Resolution number 243 of 2025, awarding bid for the Gateway Theater roof replacement. >> We have a motion. >> So moved. >> We have a second. >> Second. >> Any comments? Hearing any comments? All in favor?
>> I. >> Any opposed? Not hearing. Any opposed? Resolution 243 is approved. May I have a motion and a second to um approve the consent agenda? >> Motion. >> Second. >> Okay. Any comments? Not hearing any
comments. All in all in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. The consent agenda is approved. Do we have any old business? >> Oh, wait a minute. I'm sorry. I'm too um Oh, that's right. You have you have any uh old business? >> No.
>> Okay. Any new business? >> Not hearing any new business. Uh Mr. Frost, discussion of the bills, please. >> Sure. Uh this evening we have billless totaling 4,22,267. We do have one additional payments $1,000.
>> Okay. All right. May I have a motion to open for public comment, please? >> I'll make that motion. May I have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? Any opposed? We're now open for public comment. Hi, Moren Hellbig 106 East Stalls. I
just wanted to bring to your attention the um city's website and the problem that um I've been finding. So, if you if you wanted to uh see anything about city council, um it brings you to the page where city council it lists everyone and
then at the bottom it'll say upcoming meeting and usually it'll reference the correct meeting, council meeting and the date. And then there's a spot that says view document. And if you click that, it always takes you to an error page. So
that's it. Um, tonight it says planning board meeting November 19th starting at and then you hit view document, it takes you to the arrow page. I happen to know this that if you go to the left side and click city council,
you have to be very particular because it'll say meetings um and you have to work at it to get it. Click it and it'll take you to the summary of your meeting to this >> to that. Yep. >> Right. But not everybody knows to go to
that and click it. Now, if you do it tonight, it just takes you right back to this page. So, it is a problem and I think a lot of people would probably give up and just figure, oh, her page and not be able to see what's on your agenda. So, I'm just hoping at some
point you guys can get this fixed. >> Jason, can you take that one on and see what we can do? >> Okay, >> we'll work on that. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. I'll bring it on. Good evening everybody. John Hellbig 106 East Daws. Um I have a
what I asked Mr. Smith to distribute is a resolution that was recently passed by the city of Margate. Um, I've recently become informed that the Department of the Interior, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management is started the process to
undertake lease arrangements on the outer continental shelf for oil and gas drilling. Again, um, they're putting together a five-year program. Part of this is going to be potentially leasing areas off of southern New Jersey for oil
and gas exploration. Um, I would hope we could reach a unanimous consensus here on this is a short-sighted and potentially disastrous program. Um, dozens of communities have passed resolutions similar to this. If
you look at this resolution, I don't think there's any difference between what Margate has put together and what the issues are here in Summers Point. Clean water is critical to our environment. Obviously, it's critical to our economy. uh our marinebased economy
here in Summers Point. Um so I'd be happy to try and bring council up to date as this policy or program gets forward. But in the interim, I would really appreciate it if you could study this and and potentially pass a similar
type resolution like dozens of other communities have done in New Jersey. Thank you. >> Thank you. Not seeing anyone else for public comment. I get one more. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't see him there. >> Sorry about that, sir.
>> Oh, that's quite a right, gentlemen. First time seeing all of you. My name is Ed Dixon. I live at 3507 Asbury Avenue in Ocean City. And I would like to thank all of you for all you do to honor our military
veterans. the Memorial Day tributes, the 81st anniversary of our invasion of Normandy, June 6th of the July 4th Independence Day and Veterans Day, which we've just passed. Great day also
a great tribute to our military veterans still fighting today in foreign countries to preserve our freedom. There is an idea that I would like all of you to consider. I am here to ask mayor and councel
of summer's point to consider dedicating the month of August to our military veterans. They have allowed us to live in freedom. They have suffered many sacrifices for us and their families.
I hope that many Americans across our country could see the entire month dedicated to our military veterans. I have talked with Nick Purcell, commander of your VFW, and he liked the idea, and we will get
together again and talk. I hope all of you can agree we have the 250th anniversary of our country coming up uh next summer. It is the veteran, not the preacher, who
has given us the freedom of religion. It is the veteran, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of press. It is the veteran, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the veteran, not the campus organizer, who has given us freedom to assemble. It is the veteran, not the lawyer, who has given us the right of a fair trial.
It is the veteran, not the politician, who has given us the right to vote. I thank you for your attention and may God bless you all. Thank you sir. Thank you. Thank you. Right. Do we have anyone else that wants
to have a public comment right now since I missed the last one? All right. Doesn't look that way. May I have a motion to close for public comment? >> Motion to close. I have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> Any oppose? Not hearing any opposed. We are now closed for public session. I may
have a motion to pay the bills. >> I'll make that motion. >> Have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? Any opposed? Mr. Frost, you can pay the bills. Does anyone have any further comments? >> Yeah. Council Council President. Yes, sir.
>> For clarification, uh, when I came in here tonight, it was the Well, I'll back up. When I first I was absent at the last first reading of the ebike and I came in here with full intention of
voting as it stood, but after hearing the public speak and also at least two of our council people speak and make an amendment, uh I just felt it was necessary for us to take another look and approve an amendment that would
maybe satisfy more people than just a flatout No. So, I just wanted to clarify my reason for voting, it was because I did not attend the last meeting and when I heard the public input and the council people speaking, I just felt that it was a good compromise and that's why I voted
the way I did. Well, tonight for me was a step forward in this ebike arena because over for over two years, deliberations have been had, but no action was taken. Tonight, I think we
took some action and hopefully we can come up with a good solution at the next meeting so that we can take even further action. So, as I said, argue, maybe I meant to read, but I was more than happy at least to
move something forward and I think that's a good step for us as a council. Anybody else have any comments? Not hearing any comments. All right. Um, we're going to go into executive session. Um, Shelby says it's going to take four minutes today for to get into
executive session rather than three. But I thank everybody for coming out. I don't think we're going to be taking any action.