Okay, byebye. What would you do? They're not All right. Yes. Do all this. >> Like to call this I' like to call this meeting to order. All rise for a flag
salute, please. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.
Please be seated. >> Thank you for everyone coming out here on this cold evening. So, uh a lot to do here. Um madame deputy clerk and have a roll call, please. >> Council member Dampis >> here. Council member Dill >> here. >> Council member Gity >> here.
>> Council member Johnston >> here. >> Council member Mcwigan >> here. >> Council member Owen >> here. >> Council President Habercorn >> present. Also present is Mayor Tap, Administrator Frost, Deputy Clerk GM Papa, City Solicitor
Smith, City Engineer Snider, and Council Member Elect Slaughter. Pursuant to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided. The agenda for this meeting is posted in city hall and on
the city's website, summers gov.org. Pursuant to city code A266-9D and to afford everyone an opportunity to address the governing body, the public may speak only one time and not to exceed three minutes.
I ask that all council members and professionals when you're speaking please speak into the mic as best you can. Thank you. Any communications? Not hearing any communications. Uh mayor for the mayor's report. >> Yeah. I have a couple things. Uh this
past Saturday we had our Christmas parade. I just want to take this opportunity to thank everyone that helped makes make this a huge success and it's uh Phil Gula and Wal Gregory for their outstanding leadership and dedication. The organization here uh our
announcer and judge Mike Kernan. Uh the historical society that helps that puts this event on for us uh was fantastic. Uh Miss New Jersey Nicholas and Miss T New Jersey Delaney Higgins. I also want to thank Robert Summers, our chief, as
well as our police department. Guy Stevens. Yeah, Guy Martin. I knew what Guy Stevens, too. Uh, and Steve Hornick from public works, as well as two big shout outs for Deon Osler and Brianna McNair. They worked behind the scenes
and they made city they made council chambers look as if it was a winter wonderland having uh everything fixed up for uh Santa to come in and uh they definitely deserve a big thank you. Uh Summers Point Pal in support of Troop 277 is going to have a breakfast with
Santa. It's going to be at Applebee's on Saturday the 20th from 8 to 10. Uh if anyone can make that, it's always good. We help out the troops. We help out the pal. Uh, Slain Brewery, our favorite brewery.
Got a little humor out that Okay. Is ready to launch the Imperial Stout. Um, inspired by our own naval hero, Richard Summers. It's going to be called 11 Minute Fuse and it's going to be on uh Tuesday, December 16th at 6 PM. And the
guest speaker is our own Kirk Bry. >> I am I read it in the paper. >> Okay. Must be true then. >> Must be true. >> It must be true if it's in the paper for sure. >> Lastly, uh one of our own Summers Point restaurants,
Squares and Fairs is up for the best restaurant in the USA Today poll. You can uh vote at 10 bestustoday.com. You can vote as many times as you want. Right now, they list 10 different restaurants throughout the country. and we are now ranked number three out of
the 10. Uh so if you can get on there uh you can you'll see it on Facebook. You can go to USA Today. Just click on there. Let's help them out and let's make Summers Point proud. And with that, that's it. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh Mr. Frost. >> Uh nothing.
>> Mr. Smith, >> nothing. Thank you. >> You're welcome, Mr. Snider. >> Uh yeah, I just have a few items. Uh the city was awarded a New Jersey DOT uh municipal aid grant for repaving Broadway for 300 300,000
$330. A lot of threes. Um so that's uh for repaving. That's a grant. No matches required. So that's uh the street we applied for this year. >> Um work for South State for the 2025 road
program continues. All the pipe work has been completed. concrete work is going on. The um contractor for the safe routes to school along Shore Road just has one more block which is uh in front of Gregory's and uh Josie Kelly's. Um
the county did request the contractor um that they uh do some pipe work on Maryland Avenue. So while they're in town um so that will require a detour at that whole intersection. a detour.
>> Yes. >> Summer's pointage. There'll >> be lots of signage. >> And then uh the water main on New Jersey Avenue. The work continues between Bay and Shore Road. >> Thank you, Mr. Schneider. Committee
reports. >> Uh council president, I have um we had a library committee meeting. Uh we met with the um officials from the county library system who runs our library
here. Um the reason for the meeting was after looking at a lot of things with the library, we felt like we weren't getting enough of the services that they do offer in other libraries in the county. So we sat down with them. It was a very positive meeting and um
>> I shut that off. >> They have Janice is three minutes or what? Yeah, really. Am I done already? >> Sorry, J. >> Um, there are a lot of good ideas, a lot of good things that they can do. We we we threw a couple ideas at them for different things that they can do both
for seniors, uh, and for children, uh, doing them at the li, not only at the library, but also at our community center and possibly bigger, uh, programs they would do at maybe one of our firehouses. So,
um, they're going to come back to us in a couple weeks with some ideas and, um, we're going to put a list together and most importantly, we need to get it out so everybody knows what's going on with them. But, um, we pay a lot of money for our library here. Um, and they do a
great job. We just felt like, um, also some of the things that we're doing at our community community center, they're also doing or can do. So we just thought to avoid the duplication uh it would be much more efficient if we sat down
talked about it. So that's where that's at. >> Thank you. >> Any other committee reports? Not hearing any other committee reports. I'm going to move on to approval of the minutes. The regular meeting minutes of
uh November 13, 2025 and executive session minutes of November 13, 2025. I need a motion and a second for content only and on the approval of those. >> I'll make that motion. >> I have a second. >> Second. >> Any comments? >> All in favor?
>> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. The above um uh mentioned meeting minutes are approved. >> May for proclamations, please. >> Proclamation number 10 of 2025, honoring the Mainland Regional High School Marching Band. Whereas the Mainland
Regional High School marching band has had an outstanding 2025 season performing unbreakable under the skilled direction of band director Kevin Flity. And whereas Mainland Regional High School marching band achieved a remarkable winning streak, culminating
in winning the group 1A state championships while also earning awards for best music and best overall effort. Effect, not effort, effect. Sorry about that. And taking second place in both color guard and percussion,
demonstrating the band's allaround excellence and artistry. And whereas Mainland Regional High School marching band represented the communities of Northfield, Lynwood, and Summers Point with distinction at the US National Bands Competition in Allentown, Pennsylvania, where they competed
against top bands from across the country, earning fourth place overall and where the color guard was recognized with the prestigious Best Color Guard Caption Award. And whereas the dedication, discipline, and spirit of the Mainland Regional High School marching band
reflects the highest standards of musicianship, teamwork, and community pride. And whereas these remarkable achievements have brought honor and recognition to Mainland Regional High School and ascending districts of Northfield, Lynwood, and Summers Point, whose students together form an
outstanding musical organization. Now therefore be it proclaimed that I, Dennis Tap, mayor of the city of Summers Point, does hereby recognize and commend the Mainland Regional High School Marching Band for its exceptional accomplishments, musical excellence, and
unbreakable spirit, and does hereby proclaim December 12th, tomorrow, 2025, as Mainland Regional High School Marching Band Day in the city of Summers Point in honor of its talents, determination, and contribution to our community's proud tradition. of
education and artistic achievement. All right. >> I just want to congratulate uh the folks from the uh the band that are here. Um it does take a lot of dedication and you guys spend a lot of time I know practicing not having any musical
ability. I have such respect for anybody that's willing to put themselves out there as you folks did in a competition. I think that just speaks so highly of of the young people as well as the people that are uh educating and leading the band. So, thank you very much.
Appreciate that. All right. >> Any other council members have comments, please? Um, I would like to just comment that uh my brother played in the band many years ago and uh I know how much work it is and how much practice and how much time you put in and you should all
be very very proud of yourself. Thank you. >> All right, Mr. President, if I may, congratulations to everybody. Clearly, it's a strong uh organization over there and and each one of you should be very proud of you.
yourselves and uh in honor of uh what tomorrow is mainland marching band day. There'll be no detours in the city some congratulations. >> All right. >> Any anybody else? >> Uh council president as an alumnist class of 86 uh mainland regional. We're
very proud of you. Um you know the program is fantastic. My daughter was in marching band back in uh 2014 took states also. So, it's it's great to keep everything up and going 100%. Thank you very much.
>> You guys come down and we have a little >> for you. I'll be sure graduation day. >> I know. >> Mhm. I only signed one of them. >> Oh, okay.
>> Oh, what did we sign? >> You can sign that when you're mayor next. Yeah, that's for you. We're going to talk about that. >> The next time I read >> Oh, okay. I was going to say I'd have to be here by 3:00 to sign orbit.
See, she's one of the ones using the ambulance. >> I'd like to have one. I was never >> Yes, I believe so. >> I get out of here. >> All right. Thank you very much. We really do appreciate you guys coming
out. It's I know it's a it's an effort to come out especially when it's this cold, but thanks for everybody that came out today. We really appreciate you being here. >> And there's another there's two hours worth of meeting. So, >> you know, if you get comfortable
>> that's his point of view. Mine is uh if you would like to, you know, you don't have to leave, but if you'd like to, that's okay with us. You're not hurting anybody's feelings. So, thank you. We all got you. I'll see you in the next meeting.
You weren't in the band. >> All right. All right. Let's uh give that a moment to clear and then we'll uh we'll start back up. Got no ordinance today. Not bad. >> Now the regulars have to take their normal seats. Is that the idea here?
Okay. All right. Um we don't have any ordinances tonight, so we're going to move on to uh resolutions. This is the uh public portion. I need a motion to open up for public comment. So move. >> May I have a second? >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I.
>> Any opposed? No one's opposed. So we're now open for public comment on resolutions only. >> Let's see. >> Motion to close. >> Second. >> All right. All in favor? >> I opposed. Any opposed? We are now close
for public session on resolutions only. Madam Deputy Clerk, number 247, please. >> Resolution number 247 of 2025, recognizing and thanking Council Member Mike Owen. Whereas on January 1st, 2020, Mike Owen was sworn in as the W 2
council member of the city of Summers Point to serve a three-year term. And whereas on January 1st, 2023, Mike Owen was sworn in for a second three-year term as the War 2 council member of the city of Summers Point. And whereas council member Mike Owen has been a resident of Summers Point for over 30
years. And whereas Council Member Owen faithfully attended numerous citywide events throughout his tenure while maintaining a near-perfect attendance record at city council meetings, demonstrating his dedication and commitment to serving the city. And whereas council member Owens served as the liaison to the arts commission and
the recreation commission and is a long-standing and proud member of Lawson's pride. And whereas council member Owen's insight, enthusiasm, and steady presence will be missed on the city council deis by all who had the opportunity to work with him. Now therefore, be it resolved that the mayor
and city council on behalf of themselves and the residents of the city of Summers Point express their appreciation and gratitude the council member Owen for his six years of service for the betterment of Summers Point. And be it further resolved that the mayor and city council extend their best wishes to him
and to his family. I have a motion. >> I'll gladly make that motion. >> Ily second that motion. >> Any comments? I'd like to comment, Mike. Uh appreciated working with you in the last few years. I also uh you're always
out there in the community whenever there's events. Always helping. So, you know, I appreciate your community uh spirit too also. So, thank you for all you've done. >> Appreciate that. Council President, >> Mr. Dill. Yeah, I would also echo those
thoughts. Um, I was fortunate enough to work with you for all six years that you were on council, right? And uh, you were dedicated and you did a very good job for any test that came along and uh, you'll be missed and I appreciate what you did for the city. >> Thank you, Mr. President.
>> Mr. McG. >> Yeah. Uh, it's only been six. It seems like 12. Seems like longer than that. >> No, you got a lot of work done in that in that time. So, uh, yeah. like like Howard just said there, you know, uh I'm going to miss sitting next to you and
and uh uh I don't think your story's over. So, >> right, >> you know, thank you so much for your service to the city. >> Council President, >> yes. >> Uh Ditto on everything. I've really enjoyed working with you. I loved campaigning with you. We had a lot of
fun and uh I certainly hope you're not going to be a stranger. >> No, not at all. >> Okay, good. >> Mr. Mike, uh, most of what I was going to say has been said already, so I'll just say it was
very, very nice, uh, working with you for these last, I think, four years now. And, uh, he was one of the first, uh, help me and we ran together, I think, the first time. >> Sure. >> And, uh,
good luck to you. Thanks. Any other comments? >> What are you going to do with all your free time? >> I Mike, thanks. You know, um, thank you for six years of service, your dedication. Uh, more importantly is your personal sacrifices.
You know, when you become elected official, you're uh, your family suffers because you're not there all the time because a lot of times your head is wrapped around the city. Uh, and Mike, your head was definitely wrapped around the city. you know, you made and helped
Summers Point thrive. Um, we're very grateful for all you've done. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right, you're done with the comments. All in favor? >> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed.
Resolution number 247 is approved. mic. All right. Item deputy court number 248, please. Resolution number 248 of 2025, authorization of purchase through the use of state contract vendor York Telecom Corporation aka Gov Pilot
pursuant to NJSA 4A2-12A and NJAC 534- 729C for the use of computer reseller services for the city of Summers Point municipal offices. >> Have a motion. So moved. >> Have a second.
>> Second. >> Second. >> Any comments? Any any comments? All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> Any any opposed? Resolution 248 is approved. Madam clerk 249. >> Resolution number 249 of 2025 cancelling
outstanding checks and bank reconciliation items. >> I have a motion. I'll make that motion. Have a second. >> Any comments? >> Hearing any comments? All in favor? I. >> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. Resolution 249 is approved. Number 250,
please. Resolution number 250 of 2025 authorizing the acceptance, execution, and delivery of an escrow agreement between the city of Summers Point and 901 Maze Landing Road LLC. >> Have a second. >> Second. Any comments? Not hearing any
comments. All in favor? I. >> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. Resolution number 250 is approved. 251, please. Resolution number 251 of 2025 awarding contract for professional engineering services for the design and construction management of the Ocean
Avenue storm water repairs. >> Have a motion. I'll make that motion. I have a second. Any comments? Not hearing any comments. All in favor? >> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. 251 is approved. Number 252, please.
Resolution number 252 of 2025 awarding contract for professional engineering services for the design and construction management of the Pacific Avenue storm water pump station replacement. >> Have a motion. I'll make that motion. Second. >> Any comments? Not hearing. Any comments?
All in favor? Any opposed? Any opposed? Number 252 is approved. Number 253, please. >> Resolution number 253 of 2025. Resolution authorizing agreement with NJD planning and design grant program. >> Have a motion. >> So moved.
>> Second. >> Second. Any comments? No comments. All in favor? Any opposed? I hear anyone opposed. Number 253 is approved. 254, please. >> Resolution number 254 of 2025 authorizing executive session advice of
council regarding contractual negotiations with the New Jersey State Health Benefit Program. >> Motion. So moved. Second. Second. All in favor? >> I. >> Anybody else in favor?
>> How about we do that again? All in favor? I. >> Any oppose? Any opposed? Resolution number two. I don't want to go into executive session. >> Number 255. >> Resolution number 255 of 2025. Authorizing executive session advice of
council and attorney client privilege communication regarding the status of potential development negotiations involving contract purchases of 90 Broadway in the city of Summers Point. >> Have a motion. I make that motion. I have a second. Second. All in favor? >> Charles.
>> Yes, sir. >> I am recusing myself from that vote because of a conflict. >> Yes. We will do that at the end then of our executive session so that you know >> so I can go get a Big Mac. >> Well, I know you've been traveling so good. >> Any all in favor? I
>> Any opposed? Are there any appro opposed? Resolution 255 is approved. May I have a motion for the consent agenda, please? >> So moved. >> Have a second. >> Second. >> Any comments? >> Not hearing any comments. All in favor? >> I
>> I little bit more enthusiasm. All right. All in >> favor, please. Okay. Any opposed? Not any opposed. The consent agenda is approved. All right. We're going to go on to old business. Okay. Uh under old business,
we have a discussion of Dr. Troy's proposed development plan for the property located at 939 Bay Avenue. I put this on here because uh last time we heard the presentation from Dr. Troy and his team. Um, what I took from that is a
100 unit condo hotel with a yetnamed flagship partner with a pool and a restaurant and uh that they would be looking for potentially a pilot and or a tax abatement. So, I open it up to uh city council for your comments, please.
I'd like to get some direction from council on where you would like to go with this. Anybody have any comments? You >> want to start? >> Yes. Um the project that he proposes
um we met. I think we liked it what we saw and uh he did say that he was looking for one of the swanky uh hotels for a partner. And uh
if that happens, I I think it it'll be a great thing for the city of Summers Point. >> Most >> uh yes. Um I would love to just see that property developed and I do think the
concept is a good idea. My only issue is parking. I just don't think there's enough parking there for 100 rooms plus a restaurant. Um, and I am also not in favor of a pilot.
>> Mr. D. >> Yeah, Council President, uh, I'm concerned about the density. I've been straightforward with this. I think 100 units is too dense for that, uh, area. I would like to see it lower, somewhere in the area of 70 to 75 units. Uh I'm
opposed to any type of uh pilot program or tax incentive program because we've stopped that with other developers who have come and asked us over at least the last couple years. And uh I think it would uh it would create a problem and
uh I just think that the uh the pilot programs and things that were instituted when we had uh foreclosures on homes and things of that nature, not meant for these type of developments. And the final one, I agree with uh Councilwoman
Johnson that uh the parking could be an issue because of cross agreements between uh that property and another property. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Gity. Would you like to weigh in on this property? >> Uh I'm going to have to recuse myself on
anything Dr. Rocky does because in 50 years of construction that I've been involved in, I have done work for him, his father, Kinjun and Troy. And in all fairness to the applicant, her future applicant, I'll recuse myself.
>> Thank you. To start with, >> I'd have to uh agree with Councilman Dill and Councilwoman Johnson. if you can be scaled back, get through all the loopholes and basically downsize and figure out parking and
whatnot. That's that's where I am with this. >> Okay, >> Mr. Mcwigan, sir. >> Uh yeah, I you know, the the the history of that property and so forth. I mean, we've been looking at it uh an underutilized and and uh you know, I
don't want to call it a derelict property, but it hasn't it hasn't looked great in a a long time, over a decade, 15 years, whatever it is. Uh I think this is an opportunity to get something there and spur some further development, you know, that we've all talked about
over the years along Bay Avenue. Is is the project too large? Uh no. uh you know what we've been presented with and and and the discussions we've had in the subcommittee with Dr. Troy I believe that it can fit there and it can work
there. Uh what I would like to see the next steps are is that you know we we begin the process obviously is going to have to go into redevelopment. We begin that process by setting up an agreement and setting up an escrow where our
planner can take a look at it and say, "Okay, this is going to work or this is not going to work or or the traffic's not going to flow correctly here." What whatever that is. I I'd like our professionals to look at that. I I do support the idea and and and that, you
know, Dr. truck. He has represented that he is going to get a a flag, you know, some sim some uh high-end or or some very common like Marriott or whoever high-end whatever it is to manage the property. So I think we we we have an
opportunity to get something here that that this could be very valuable to the city and I want to continue exploring that and you know as I laid out there I think that's our next step but you know that's uh kind of up to the will council but that's where I sit and and you know
listen I'm very far away from any kind of tax abatement or any kind of pilot like that and I've kind of communicated that to to Dr. Trump. Okay. I from my perspective I I the 100 U room. I just don't know how that's
going to fit on the property. I' I've tried to get that in my mind. I just can't see how that's going to fit. But I'm sure our engineers and our professionals and our planners could look at it and make the determination better than I could. The thing I'd like
to have before we move forward is some type of assurance that that easement is going to in fact go away. Um, that is something that really concerns me that we could get far down the road and and all of a sudden find ourselves
potentially in litigation because we don't have that worked out. That's my my opinion. >> Well, that if I may that, you know, and and that that as you will recall, we've had those discussions with him and and obviously he's ensured us that that that
easement will be dealt with. The easement is not going to go away unless I I don't know how it would go away. but he's ensured us uh that he's going to uh meet those requirements. So that that would also be fleshed out by our our
planner uh as well. And and if that were to if he were to further on that, you know, deals off or whatever wherever we're at, that's >> So may I? >> Yes. because I did get correspondence from the neighbor's council which I
would never be able to find on my but just wanted to remind council of the crossment that is an existing issue that does need to be resolved my daughter administrator. So um you know based on
all the comments we had here u one of the things that Mr. Mcwigan has brought up is the fact that if it moved forward uh to some degree that we would uh have to have an escrow agreement to allow um our our planners and our engineers to
look at this u before it moved any further uh to make sure that it fit with all the heavy lifting as you talked about and and everybody else. Um, I'm going to ask this question as an open-ended question. I hope I get some type of straw vote out of it. Would the
council be up to allowing us to go into an escrow agreement and then go into and move it forward in that way just so that the investigation could be done by both sides and to see if this is something to go forward with? So, that's my question.
I'd like to I'm not going to ask Mr. Gity, but I would like to get a head nod or a yes or no from each one. And I want to start with you, Rick. >> I say yes. Let's move forward. Council member Johnson. >> I think it's premature. I think the parking the cross easement is a big
issue and without an agreement from the other property owner in writing, I don't see how this project could happen. >> So, I think it's premature to waste people's time. >> Mr. I have a tendency to to uh agree with uh Councilwoman Johnson that uh it
is a little premature. We need to make sure we get a commitment from Mr. Tracking, the developer, about uh the easement situation as well as what kind of escrow he's willing to put up uh for our professionals to be able to do this. But if that can all be set aside and
resolved, I don't have a problem with moving forward. >> Okay, Mr. >> Well, it's a real coin toss, ain't it? If we can work out all the bugs with the easement and everything else, uh be worth looking into.
>> Yes, sir. >> I I'm you know, I already stated my what I what I want to do. I don't know. There's a Does the Does the council elect want to weigh in or what's your opinion? I mean, she's going to live with whatever we're going to do.
I don't know the ch I'm sorry to put you on the spot. I don't I don't you just did I said I was sorry I did that >> as far >> do it again. >> My opinion is council president on that.
Mr. Smith, you're our attorney. I don't believe that um we should ask Miss Slaughter for that at this point. I think I just uh responded to it. >> I think you don't put her on the right. He doesn't even know anything about it.
>> All right. >> So So b so based on the comments I heard I'm going to ask the redevelopment excuse me the affordable housing and development subcommittee to meet one more time with Mr. Troy and excuse me
Dr. Rocky and find out if we can come to some type of agreement and start some conversation to uh work out the easement issue and other issues. So, I'm going to leave it at that. >> Mr. Smith, >> send everyone the uh
IP. >> That's okay. So, we all have it. Y >> and that was a from who? >> Representing >> to to the easement >> representing who? >> Oh, from the other
>> Yes. From the other. >> So, I stated that I believe that the affordable housing and development committee needs to meet again with Dr. talking to go through this uh try to work out some of that type of agreement and bring that back to council. Is that
do I get enough head nods for that? >> I I just want to clarify that I'm not against I just feel it's premature until those issues are clarified. >> I understand. >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. All right. That's
>> we're going to move on from there. That's the action we're going to take. Okay. Moving to new business. Um, approval of a uh waiver raffle fee for pull tabs for Clark Elias American Legion 352.
Do we have all the information that we need? And it's all there. Okay. Is everybody for that? >> Yes. Okay. No objections to that. Okay. Um, Mr. Gity had brought up to me discussion of an issuance of request for quotations for ADA compliant counter at
the uh the court office here and the ADA compliant bathrooms at city hall. I think it's great that Mr. G brought that up because this city has worked so hard to be inclusive and having accessibility is as evidenced by what's going on with all the curbs in town, what's going on
with the uh access to the beach and and the playground that's coming to Kennedy Park. Timing of it being brought forward, I talked to Mr. Frost. We didn't feel like we had enough timing to put the resolution on now and get the action to be taken in this year. So, why
I put it on for new business is I think it has merit and I think the council needs to take this on uh next year as an item uh to look at and and go out for quotations at this point. That's that's my opinion on that. That's why it was on
the agenda. I thank Mr. Gar for bringing that forward. Any comments? No problems. Okay. All right. Mr. Mcwigan has brought up um in our redevelopment and affordable housing discussion of potential new
construction on Bay Avenue and Gibbs Avenue. Uh Mr. Mcwigan, I do first on if you could please the rest of the council. >> Sure. So I I I have given everyone a site plan as well as an elevation
metering of this proposed project on the corner of Bay and Gibbs that was presented at the CRC. Uh and uh I just want to clarify that this is not a redevelopment uh project or even uh
that's never discussion. This will go to either planning board or zoning board. I'm not quite sure which one. But the question why why I bring it here is the question if you look at that site plant and where I put a smoke bubble at the the the the building is on the corner of
Gibson and uh Bay next door to the parking lot uh which is directly across from the theater. They're proposing to uh they're asking uh to get a cut through as you can see on the diagram uh
so that people in their parking lot can exit and enter into our parking lot and utilize our parking lot if there are spaces available uh at that time. Uh the this the building itself is uh has three
retail spaces, proposed retail spaces on the first floor, office space on the second floor and there is a a uh owner occupied uh apartment on the third floor and you can see uh it's in my opinion
attractive building and I really would uh think that this is a great use for uh Bay Avenue will increase the walkability and all all the other sales pitches and and get us a little bit of retail that that I think uh will help uh Bay Avenue
develop. Uh the question is do we want to provide a cut through? Do we want to how do we how would we handle that? Uh would it be you know we just talked about it and I know it's a tough a cost
easement of some sort. How would we uh facilitate sharing the parking? Uh I guess the option are is give them the cutout, not give them the cutout and they could utilize the parking anyway. There's no way preventing them from utilizing a public parking space.
But what their their sales pitch is that after hours uh overflow parking, the public could utilize their parking uh you know during a beach concert or or whatever event would be going on along Bay Avenue. So, uh I'm not sure what the
next steps are, but I can have the lawyer for the developer come in here uh at our next meeting and make a uh you know, make a presentation. Um, >> can I ask >> Can I ask a question?
>> Go ahead. >> Just can you just clarify what you mean by a cutout? They would be designated spots for this property. >> No, if you look on the if you look on the diagram right now there's, you know, there's a curve that separates the properties.
They're doing a cut out, a driveway, so to speak, so that you could drive from our parking lot into their parking lot and back. So that if you were if you pulled into their park if you're going to do business and all their spaces were filled, you could fall into the
municipal parking lot and find a space. If you pull into the municipal parking lot and you're going to a beach concert or whatever or to the beach and all the spaces are filled, you could pull into their parking lot and utilize their spaces. >> So either way they can utilize this.
Well, they can utilize our spaces, but this gives us a uh a uh uh the advantage of being able to utilize their space. Now, I I don't work for the don't work for the developer, but I like the idea. Uh if we don't do it and they just
utilize our spaces, I don't know how that's going to work because they're they're under parking spaces relative the calculation for parking spaces on the building use. they don't have, you know, parking is a a constant problem and and and suppresses development down
there and and I don't want to see this being suppressed. I I also think it's a great thing. But so my question is though, if you have a retail store in this building and it's Friday night concert and you're open till 9:00 and not no but nobody can come to your store
and park because because the beach people can >> I mean I guess that there is a danger that but you know in any kind of uh retail district and so forth you know parking is a struggle no matter where you go. Uh this sort of helps out a
little bit, but I don't >> that that area is has parking issues all the time anyway. Yeah. Okay. It's nothing new. >> No, it isn't. And you know, and we're going to continue if if you know, I don't know what the solution is. This is a mini solution. Uh but you know,
parking is like I said, it's going to spur or or or suppress rather uh any kind of development of retail or any kind of you know. what what what's going to happen on B. I mean, you know, we all look at what the paddle club is and the salt house and of
course the brewery down there. You know, everyone's theory is that now that Bay Avenue's just going to become more walkable and uh you know, a little retail stop would help. >> Sean, do we know how many spots we're
going to have to lose in our parking lot? >> There is one. >> It's just one. >> Great. If you if you look at if you take this and superimpose it over Google Earth, it's three. >> Okay. >> Somewhere in here, they uh and and maybe
this is on the other site plan. They uh they gave us they gave a calculation that there was 38 spaces in our parking lot and they claim it would be 37 after reconfiguring it.
There's 10 spaces in that row actual and they're showing seven spaces on their plan. So my math comes up with three spaces and there's no way you're going to do a two-way where the arrows cut through
>> in a 12t wide parking space. >> Yeah. >> Well, this has this has to come before the the zoning board. >> Oh, yeah. No, >> and they they will probably absolutely >> our engineers will question that. Okay. It's I correct me if I'm wrong. Uh,
Councilman Mcwigan, you're just asking us to just to take a look at it and maybe you would have their attorney or our representative come to council and explain it to them. >> Yeah, we hear them out. I mean, like you just said there that uh you know, we
can't rule on we're not the ruling uh thing here, but if we're offering if that cutout uh you know, helps this get approved, >> then I'd be for or if it has to be an easement. I I
don't know. I'm not the lawyer in the room. Off the off the top, my only concern is that if we went into some type of an agreement, we'd have to uh be sure that the developer of this project would be willing to wave any liability
if our uh people coming into uh for the uh beach concerts parks there uh that they they wouldn't have a problem with the liability associated with it. And I think unfortunately everything comes down to insurance and lawsuits. And I I
just think that we not only the planning board but anyone else would have to consider whether or not the developer would be willing to wave that uh that clause in the liability. I seriously doubt they would but that's just a a question that I have as far as liability
is concerned. >> Yeah. >> How many spaces are they short for it to be within >> requirements? over 10. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. >> Um, >> you also have to weigh in on the people
that attend the theater, >> right? >> The parking lot, >> right? >> They do they intend to tear down the building and build new. Yes. >> Yeah. >> As you look at the as you look at, >> huh? Uh,
>> it's in pretty not such great shape. It's definitely worth exploring. >> Okay. So, sure. >> If I could be as bold as to say that I would you think it would be okay to have the develop come in and speak to the council. Obviously, they're going to have to go before the planning board to
make any decision, but we could certainly listen to him. >> Are we are we getting ahead of ourselves by having him come in rather than before he comes to the goes to the planning board? >> But we we have to come up with what the solution would be. Is it a cross season?
Was it a you know that it >> I'm not commenting right now. >> Okay. >> I think we have a lot more research to do. >> Yeah. >> This is conversation. >> Leave it at that right now. >> I think our professionals have to weigh in. >> I suggest you
let people first before you planning because right now the way the ordinance is written they cannot present the case to the planning board that they have sufficient. >> Okay. Right. So, so you have to figure out whether you want to modify an
ordinance or not. You have to figure out what else you want to do. >> We've had a situation in the past where a certain business was using
alongside the beach before for parking. Probably why this work came around. >> Okay. Again, we need a head nod here. Uh do we have uh the this person come in and talk to council ahead of time or do we have go to the Mr. President? I still have I still have a question on this.
Sean, you said the first floor be retail. >> Yes, sir. >> What kind of retail? >> Okay. Because in their rendering in their rendering it has something med harbor on it. Is this a medical use? >> It's a uh the the company is a medical
uh involved in medical billing. >> Medical billing. >> Yeah. So I don't >> So I assume that's what would probably be upstairs. >> That that's the second floor. Yeah. >> Is this is this the company that's presently on Shore Road or that's No. Uh
>> no. I think it's a I think the one I'm thinking of is in building it's calling. >> So, okay. I have no problem with anybody coming in and showing us. >> I I would just like to hear from when whether it's when they come in at the
same time our professionals to look at tell us what direction to go. I mean, >> so ultimately though the the the plan the planning board could wave the parking requirements. Well, that yeah, they could offer they could
pretty >> I don't know whether they would or they up a can of worms with sharing it. >> Well, I mean a lot can of worms for his potential business coming down by the old uh Dolphin Dock clan bar with the
other city parking lot we have. >> They already use it. So, >> we Yeah, they use it, >> but they're not dedicated spaces for their approval. So, you're kind of opening up that Pandora's box of, you know, and I'm saying, you know, I know other municipalities
do that, lease spaces on city- owned property to businesses to meet their requirements and stuff, and I'm not opposed to that. I'm just stating the fact that that's what we might be opening the door for. And are we willing to go down? >> What's the square footage of this building? Do we know?
>> Uh, >> and it is a nice building. like an asset on Bay Avenue. >> Uh total square. No, that can't be right. >> I'm trying to >> Why is it like 100,000? >> It's too short.
>> 6500 >> 32 and 12. >> That's a big building for that corner. >> 32 come in. >> Hang on a second. One conversation. Can I get agreement to have the person come in and what to do to speak to council,
see what they have to say, and then we can go from there. >> Yeah, Charlie, anybody can come in, request to be on the agenda. And >> I just want I just want to get everybody up there. That's what we're going to do. >> That's what we're going to do with that. >> Could we get a better representative than Sean want to explain?
>> Listen, I I mean, I could have just came in here. I was hoping to get some sort of solution >> to present to them as they came in here. Okay. >> Tell them to buy another property around it. Make their own. >> We will do that. We will have them come
in. Mr. McGuigan, please reach out to them. See if they want to come on agenda. >> Yeah. >> All right. I need there is one thing I was remiss in putting in new business after talking to uh madam clerk. We need to verify the reorganization date and
the first Friday of January. >> Is everybody okay? I'm agree with the >> I think we have to. It's an ordinance. We have to be >> I'm just saying we don't have we don't have enough or not. >> It's an ordinance.
>> Perfect. Good. Second. What time? >> Good. >> What time? >> Seven. >> Yeah. >> I thought we started them earlier. >> It's in the ordinance started. >> Seven. >> The clerk wanted me to make sure that I got everybody's agreement.
>> I'm going to look at that next year and change it. >> I thought we started one year. >> Do we ask the council? Oh, no. >> All right. >> Let's try to get back to business here. Um, discussion of the bills, Mr. Frost. This evening we have a bill list the
amount of 1,420,192.91 as well as uh three additional uh billless bill runs in the amount of $452,3232. Okay. Okay. May I get a motion to open for public comment? >> I have a second. All right. Okay. All in favor?
>> Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. We are now open for public comment. You can come up. >> That's okay. If you could please state your name and your address and we have a rule of three minutes of speaking. Okay. >> Yes. Thank you.
>> City clerk told me. My name is Brook Silverstein. I live at 613 Sunny Avenue right by the hospital. >> Um, good evening council members. I appreciate the opportunity to speak with you tonight about an issue that has become serious and ongoing and an ongoing concern for our neighborhood.
For months now, many of us have witnessed individuals driving through our community as if they are participating in a NASCAR race, speeding up and down Shore Road and cutting through residential neighborhoods with little regard for the safety of others. As you know, our residential areas are
clearly marked as 25 mileph zones and Shore Road is limited to 35 mph. Yet day after day, these limits are ignored. Families, parents, and children are left feeling unsafe in a very in the very place where they feel most protected. And despite repeated complaints from
residents, it appears that little meaningful action has been taken to address the situation. Many of us in the community are beginning to feel as though this issue is being brushed aside. Much like the concerns that were raised when ebikes first became a problem, we all remember the tragic
consequences that followed a lack of early intervention. We do not want to repeat that history and we do not want to see another young life lost. We do not want to see another person seriously injured because of the reckless behavior that could have been prevented. I want to acknowledge that I understand police
department the police department is facing staffing shortages and I know that comes with significant challenges. But respectfully those challenges cannot continue to be the reason nothing changes. Ensuring public safety is one of the most fundamental responsibilities of leadership. When residents cannot
feel safe driving their own streets or even walking with their child, something has gone wrong. And when people who ignore the law face no consequences, the danger only grows. As a parent, this issue is especially personal. When I drive with my child in the car and see
vehicles speeding past me, swerving, or refusing to maintain a safe distance, even even when there is a baby on sign clearly displayed, it is frightening. No family should feel the level of fear in the community. No parent should have to wonder whether
their child is in danger simply because someone else refuses to follow basic traffic laws. Tonight, I'm asking on behalf of myself and many others for the city to take this matter seriously, and to take action now. I'm not here to blame. I'm here to push for solutions. Solutions that protect our families,
restore a sense of safety, and show us that our voices matter. This issue can be fixed, and it needs to be fixed immediately. Thank you for your time, your attention, and your commitment to the well-being of the residents you serve. I hope you have a good evening and a happy holiday. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you.
>> I'll have I'll have a conversation with the chief. We'll take a look at this street, the intersection, and see if something needs to get done. Can >> What What intersection of Sunny are we talking about? Sunny >> 13 where she lives. So, it's the whole street. >> Okay.
U Moren Hellbig, 106 East Dolls Avenue. Um that with this discussion of the condo hotel came up and it just brought some thoughts to mind that I wonder if will be part of uh the research or discussions. But, you know, there's condo living and then there's a hotel.
And combining them both is a concept that I'm going to look into, I don't know much about, but things that came to mind were um I imagine there would be bylaws written as to what percentage of the units are occupied by the owners during the peak season. We're talking
about a hotel. We're talking about we're a tourist community. We're talking about the fact that we have don't have enough hotel units for people. So, if someone's buying a condo in a seashore community as an investment, you know, you tend to
think, well, they want to be here during the summer. So, are they will there be rules as to how long they can stay in the unit? How much time during the peak season that they will make it available for hotel units? Um, you know, so what
percentage of the units are available for the general public to reserve during the peak season is thoughts I have. How does the management company control um who's occupying when the owner doesn't make the unit available for the general public? Oh, but they their neighbor
wants to go and here's $1,000. I'm going to go. You know, I mean, how is that controlled? So, if we're going to even think about pilot program or tax abatements and we're giving something away for something that we need, our city is a tourist community. We need to
have rooms available for people to go. So to me, I see it as a conflict. You know, buying it as investment property, wanting to use it for yourself during the peak time. To me, that's a condo. It's not a hotel or it's an Airbnb or whatever. So, just some thoughts that
popped into my head as I'm thinking about it that I wanted to mention. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Motion to close public portion. >> Second. >> I hope Take it back. That one back.
>> Reverse. Reverse. >> Stacy and to Violet Lena. Uh my Summers Point affiliations uh include uh the board of education. Uh the Summers Point Garden Club. I'm a
Girl and Boy Scout leader. I'm on the education foundation and I'm the secretary. and I'm also the secretary of the Summers Point Hockey Association. I'm here this evening to discuss with the full governing body and to have
known on the record concerns with the complex at uh our hockey courts. Uh, I want to make sure that you're all aware that earlier this year in the springtime,
um, when my husband, who is the president of the league, was here for a record board meeting, um, it was told to him by Shawn McGregan and Jason Frost that the
governing body will be issuing a check for $170,000 for the completion and installation of new boards. Decks have always been the primary concern because not having decks
prohibits us from being able to play with other leagues because that is a requirement. Now, he had multiple conversations uh and contacts with Mr. McGuan, Mr.
Frost, and even Mr. TAP and proposed a solution that instead of that money, that full expenditure being utilized on the construction of the boards that if
the boards were ordered, he would donate his professional services to install them and the money that will left be left over will be able to to pay for the decks on both courts. This is a winwin
for everybody for the city whose property it is because the entire complex would then be completely upgraded and it was a win for our association and 150 plus families that were a part of it.
He began working on that because the the agreement was made. While he was working on it, Mr. The Union came down to the courts as he was about 85% done and asked how much
money Summers Point Hockey was going to put up even though there was a previous arrangement that had been made. He took off two weeks of work unpaid to be able to provide this service.
He continued to try to complete it and speak to other other members uh to address this terrible discrepancy. Sorry about that. And we finally had a meeting on November 18th with Mr.
Huborn, Mr. Top and Mr. McGrigan where Mr. The meeting proceeded to lie through with teeth that to the entire meeting that this arrangement had ever been made. We were able to um discuss it further. I
am told that there is a meeting on Monday to address this situation. But I want the rest of the governing body to be aware of exactly what has happened and make it a priority to make light right
this terrible wrong that has been committed not only against our youth but against my family personally because I want you guys to think if you've ever donated 25% of your monthly earnings to
a good cause and if you haven't that's okay cuz it's not an easy task but if you have you know just how hard it is and to find out after that work was always complete that the deal would be the magma is beyond egregious.
So, I'm hoping that this governing body will make this wrong a right and will make it a priority to address this concern and recognize that the services have been rendered and now it is the city's job to
put forth what you had said that was going to be done. And so again, I I ask you to take that in consideration. I'm hopeful that this meeting that you have on Monday will be productive and hoping for a positive outcome. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Please do what's right. >> Motion to close public comment. Please. >> I'll make that motion. >> Have a second. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I. >> Any opposed? >> I don't. >> That's right.
Any opposed? No one's opposed. Um, we are now closed for public comment. Uh, payment of the bills. May I have a motion to pay the bills? >> Second. >> Second. All in favor? >> Any opposed? >> Not hearing. Any opposed? Mr. Forest, you can go ahead and pay the bills. Um,
comments from the governing body. None. >> I I do. I'd like to thank the uh incumbent being here tonight. I wish you all the best. Uh Susanna Morgan Saw, I wish you the very best up here sitting up here at
council. And uh that's that's and I wish everybody else everybody in this room very merry Christmas. >> That's good. >> Thank you. >> Triple words. Anybody else? >> Y >> Anybody else have any comments? Well,
all right. We're going to take a break here to go into executive session. You're more than welcome to wait outside. I don't think we're going to be taking any action after executive session, but