We did in Pleasantville. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, for a good hour. Really? For I think somebody hit a pole or something. Whole plan went. Parking lot's full. I thought everybody was Huh? The parking lot's full. I thought there
was something. A room would be full. Who knows? I think there might be something going on across the firehouse. It look like a lot of people. Hey, Mr. look busy for some reason. I know Jos's has the uh
hero campaign thing going on. Yes. Hello, Howard. Hi. How you doing? I'm okay. Long time. What's this afternoon, right? That was yesterday. Yesterday. Time flies when you're having fun. It sure does. Yesterday it was. Yep.
That's okay. I got so much stuff going on I didn't realize. Howard, are you up? Yeah, I hear you. Are you up for doing the flag tonight? Let's call the meeting to order. All rise for a flag.
Thanks. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Madame clerk, may I have a roll call,
please? Council member Deamplis, here. Council member Dill, here. Council member Gity. Council member Johnston, here. Council member Mcwigan here. Council member Owen here. Council President Habercorn
present. Also present is Mayor Tap, Administrator Frost, City Clerk Heath, City Solicitor Smith, and City Engineer Snider. Pursuant to the Open Public Meetings Act, adequate notice of this meeting has been provided. The agenda
for this meeting is posted in city hall and on the city's website gov.org. Pursuant to city code A266-8P and tofford everyone an opportunity to address the governing body, the public
may speak only one time and not to exceed 3 minutes. We do have a special presentation tonight. It's the Atlantic County Municipal Joint Insurance Fund Renewal presentation. If you'd like to
come up and present, please. Thank you. Um, I appreciate you setting some time on your agenda for us today. Just want to give you a quick update on what's going on with your Jeff. Um, I'm sure many of you know that we've seen a really hard insurance market for the past couple years. Um it was impacting
mo all lines including property liability, cyber and work comp. Um well the rest of the lines are starting to come down and we're they're starting to settle out. We continue to see increases in property. Um we face a lot of challenges. Part of it is natural disasters. The number has been
increasing the last several years. Um last year alone we had 27 separate $1 billion events. Um, couple that with the cost of rebuilding and the increasing in materials cost. Um, and since Summers Point is a coastal
exposure, we also have that unique risk. Um, the Atlantic GIF is uniquely positioned to provide coverage to coastal towns and we have programs to help mitigate the risk associated with coastal towns such as uh boardwalk management programs, lifeguard training,
and beach sign guidance. Um, as a member of the Atlantic GIF, you are also a member of the municipal excess liability insurance joint insurance fund which is known as the MEL. Um, the MEL is the biggest player in the country. So, when we go out to
purchase insurance, we get a very reduced rate and that helps and shows in our premiums. Um, we're also being faced with regulatory and statutory changes. And again, since we're you're part of the MEL, we have the MEL lobbyists that meet with legislators before the bills
are passed to help amend some of the wording to help reduce impact to member towns. We're also being faced with a medical inflation. In the past three years, this has gone up by 7%. Um, additional exposures that we're facing are cyber
threats as well as storm water. And I'll talk a little bit about those as well. Um, a lot of times we hear that the GIF requires so much training. Um, I just want you to be aware the GIF does not require any training. We help you uh fulfill federal, state, and
courtmandated training as well as PIOSHA regulations and directives. Because we're part of the MEL system, we're able to offer over 500 municipalities in New Jersey training at a reduced cost. And this is all included with your membership.
Some of the training that we offer is managers and supervisors training, police command staff training, and elected officials training. I'm sure many of you seen the financial incentives associated with that training once you complete it. Um, we also have a safety director that comes out and does loss control visits of municipally owned
facilities. Uh, they also issue safety bulletins and messages. And we have a platform that provides uh training to our municipal employees virtually uh which is online and streaming. And the reason why we encourage our our member towns to take participate in the
training is because if you look on page eight of your slides stack, you'll see that there's a direct correlation between the number of employees trained and how severe they're how severely they're injured and out of work. For example, in 2003, we had 14 employees
train 14,000 employees trained and they were uh we had a lost time accident frequency rate of 2.96. The loss time accident frequency rate equates to employees that are out of work for more than seven days. But if you fast forward to 2024, we trained
over 80,000 employees and our lost time accident frequency rate came down to 1.47. definition. Some of the other programs that we offer you is our EPL risk management program. This is a program where we provide you model policies and procedures for your
employees. Um, this program is updated every two years. We ask that you um read it making the changes to help com compliance with the new laws that come out in the two-year period. It also helps lower your deductible and co insurance. In addition to that, we have
the EPL helpline which is staffed with three attorneys that give real-time advice for employee related matters. We ask that you call them prior to taking any action. Um the Atlantic GIF is also member driven. Uh Miss Heath is part of
our safety committee. She is actively engaged and the safety committee has jurisdiction over all the safety programs and policies that are adopted by the fund. As a part of the Atlantic GIF, you are also a member of the EGIF. So, we provide environmental coverage uh for
all our member towns. Now, we have uh which includes storage tank system coverage, on-site cleanup cost. Um also public officials pollution liability coverage. Um I'm sure many of you have heard about the Amos versus Hadenfield.
This is where a 200year storm occurred in Hadenfield and four homeowners had damage to their homes. The jury awarded the homeowners $21.5 million for damages. Um, this case is currently
under appeal. Uh, however, no realizing that we had multiple cases similar to this, uh, the Mel created a storm water guidance program where you have access to an engineering firm as well as legal services for three hours for each. It is
totally free to you. Um and in order to um address some of the cyber concerns, the Atlantic GIF along with it sister GIFs in the Burlington County, Gloucester, Salem and Cumberland counties went out to the RFP process to provide internal and external penetration testing to its members.
These three GIFs are the only three GIFs in the state that provides this service to their members. Uh what it is is certified tester simulating realw world attacks to identify uh vulnerabilities in your IT infrastructure and you also have access to a technology
service director who's able to help you come into compliance with the various cyber initiatives. Things that we're doing to control some of the workers compensation costs. We recognize we will have claims but there's ways to mitigate them. Um we have a transitional duty program in
2024. 83% of these days were used by the ACM GIF members and it saved just under a million dollars. Um we also have a network pro um exclusive provider network for medical providers and it helps reduce our costs when our
employees are injured. We've saved about 70% last year. Uh in order to manage liability claims, we have a specialized defense panel. Um it is inclusive of local attorneys that specialize in defending public entities
in southern New Jersey. We also have a certificate of insurance program and a model indemnification guidelines which were recently updated last year and it provides you with um insurance guidelines for when you're entering into contracts and agreements with third parties.
While we offer all this, we also recognize that sometimes there's a need to look at alternatives. Um, we ask that you look at an alternative GIF's financials. You want to make sure that you're going to a financially stable GIF. Some of the things that you want to look for is uh supplemental
contributions associated with that GIF. Uh discounting of reserves, recoverables from excess insurers. Just like a municipal budget, the GIF is required to remove any recurables after one year. We also want to look at what the cost is for running that GIF and how much money
is returned to their members and their finding uh their net surplus or deficit position. Looking at the ACM GIF, we have over $13 million in cash. We have, I'm sorry, $13 million in surplus, $48
million in cash, and we've returned $55.7 million to our members. Last year, we've returned 2 million. Uh, the city of Summers Point has received a little over $1.5 million since coming into the
um dividend stream. So, we ask that you encourage your employees to participate in GIF programs as they reduce risk and save taxpayer dollars. To keep elected officials connected to the GIF, we've developed a quarterly newsletter. It gives you a quick update
on what's going on with your GIF. And then at the back of your presentation, you'll see a little report card and it just gives you a brief um it gives you some information on how you're doing among in the GIF amongst your
peers. I hope you look favorably towards renewing your membership in Atlantic GIF. If you have any questions, I'll take them now. Any questions? Not hearing any questions. It must be uh
cleared up everything. Great. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you for coming out tonight and thank you for all you do while I'm working with the town. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. Um, communications.
Hearing any communications. Uh, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, I just have a couple things. I just want to take the opportunity to thank Guy Martin and uh, Steve Hornick. As everyone knows, uh, you drive down Shore Road, you'll see the hometown hero banner campaign. Uh, that was headed up
by Larry Lemieux. We just got a last uh, batch in and we were uh, and we had just gotten them up this week. Uh, public works puts them up. I know that uh Steve Hornick uh painstakingly made sure that the banners go into the right locations
and I just want to be able to thank them. Um and then the second thing I have is I just want to take a moment to talk about someone who's given so much to the community and his name is Keith Mchuan. Keith served uh as a Summers Point police officer with honor and uh
dedication for 25 years. He protected our streets, supported our families, and he was a pillar of strength and service. Now, Keith is faced with one of the toughest battles of his life. He's got stage 4 prostate cancer. So, there's a fundraising event. It's called Together
for Keith and it's going to be held on uh July 27th. It's a Sunday, 2 to 6. It's at Fire Company number two, which is just right here across the street. Tickets are $35. Um, it really it's when
you think about when you try to put everything in perspective, at least for me, you know, and you get hung up on on certain things and then all of a sudden life throws you a curveball and then you got stage four, you know, it's like, oh my god, it's you really it's heartbreaking. But if anyone would like to contribute like a basket or an item
or something, you can contact Jen and her phone number is 609-4328710. And I just encourage everybody to attend. Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Mr. Frost, nothing. Mr. Smith,
thank you, Mr. Snider. Uh, just like the Shore Road pedestrian project is continuing. Um, right now we're focusing on areas where schools are in Dolls Avenue and um, next will be one of the St. Joe's schools closed. Um,
also I'm looking to get the line stripers back for one more day. They still have to do the There's a couple more roads that the police department requested for no parking boxes and then they have to come back with the blue paint for some handicap spots. But um they did already do full five days of
restriping areas that were um requested by public works and the uh police department. So majority of the work is done. Thank you. What's the completion date for the short road project? Short road project. Yeah.
Well, half of the neighborhood. Half of the Okay, that's actually done. I'll let you go. Just let me know when you get a chance. And any day now. Yeah.
All work weather permitting, too. I mean, got some rain. Do we have any uh committee reports? Not hearing any committee reports. Um I get a motion um to accept the uh regular
meeting minutes of June 26, 2020 and the executive session minutes of June 26, 2025 as to content only. May I have a motion for that, please? I'll make that motion. I have a second. Second. All in favor? Any opposed? Not hearing. Any opposed?
the meeting minutes for those date that date is accepted. We have three ordinances on tonight. The first one is a second reading. Uh the other two are are first readings. Um Madame Clerk, if you would like to start with number 11, please.
Ordinance number 11 of 2025, an ordinance adopting the 90 Broadway redevelopment plan within block 2018 lots 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04,
4, 1.05, 1.08, 2.02, 1.06, and 1.07 in an area in need of rehabilitation within the city of Summers Point, county of Atlantic, state of New Jersey. May I have a motion to open for public comment, please?
I'll make that motion. Second. Um, any comments at this point from up here? No, not any comments. All in favor? I opposed. Nobody opposed. We are now open for public comment on ordinance number 11
only. You please state your name and address. Thank you. Good evening, council members. My name is Levi Fox and I continue to live at 90 Broadway. I'm here this evening to speak against the redevelopment plan for 90
Broadway that the city seems on the verge of passing. I want to make clear from the outset that I am not here to say anything negative about the redeveloper the city has picked for this project nor the current owner of the property. Rather, I am here to point out the ways that I believe the city has
mismanaged this process from the beginning and the consequences. Moreover, while there are many aspects of the redevelopment plan that I believe could legitimately be challenged, I want to focus primarily on its impact on our community. I will therefore not be discussing the fact that the plan is based on a more than decade old
designation of the entire city of Summers Point as being an area in need of rehabilitation. Nor the air impropriy one could argue surrounded a process in which multiple members of council spoke privately with parties to the project which has gotten
past plans thrown out. Instead, there is one specific aspect of this redevelopment plan that I want to focus on. The section on the top of page 24 titled relocation plan that perpetuates the convenient lie, no removal of low or
moderate income households will occur with the implementation of this redevelopment plan. While my family might have an agreeable deal in place, the same cannot be said for those lowincome households that have already been displaced with the
implementation of this plan. And as I learned and previously shared with council, it was always the ultimate responsibility of the city under the local housing and redevelopment law to make sure that all residents being displaced through this process were relocated.
Assuming they are not one in the same entity, the ultimate responsibility to ensure tenant relocation is thus a joint one between the redeveloper and the municipality. Rather than taking accountability for its actions, the city throughout this process has attempted to
ignore its state level legal responsibility. If this process had been better managed from the start, then 16 apartments would still be available while more affordable housing units are being constructed. Throughout this process, some have said
that displaced tenants did not have lights or were squatters. And council has willfully ignored the plight of the neediest residents of our town. One person even said to me that since we were renters, we were just transients.
I will say our next door neighbors for 14 years are doing okay woodbine even though one works at shore. Our downstairs neighbors found an apartment in town, but the rent is higher. I think Debbie and Wes who lived in building D for a dozen years were able to find a
place locally. Charlie was my neighbor for over a decade. He found a place in EHT could afford to stay with his son. Leah moved in with her boyfriend. Joe moved back with his mom. I'm not sure what happened to the young couple with a child and another on the way. But I was
told they may have been eligible for veterans housing after they were forced out in January. From building B next door, one person is renting a room in someone's house, and another got her son to help her pay for a spot in a trailer park. Lisa, the
crossing guard from building A, had to go on disability so she would be eligible for a place in vent she could afford. And then there are Bob, the veteran, and Allison, his caretaker, who I told you about in spring, but was later informed may not be the most sympathetic pair since Bob panhandles.
My wife ran into Allison this past week and was told they are now unhoused, adding to the growing issue of homelessness in our community. These are the consequences of the plan. Thank you. Not seeing any other make a motion to
close public make a motion to close public portion on this ordinance. I have a second. Second. All in favor? Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. We are now closed for president. Yes. Yes, sir.
I'd like to have a roll call vote on this and and everyone should have in your packet a copy 2022 2025 memorandum of the planning board and part and parcel of being sent down to ensure that
the development plan was consistent with the master plan. The planning board issued a a resolution, but it also issued this memorandum about consistency. And I just want to make sure everyone has read it and and agrees with the consistency of the master plan.
Uh when you vote for vote for it, I will follow anyone's voting. Okay. So, we we're going to do a roll call, but I need a motion to adopt. I make that motion. I'll second it. All in favor? I
Any opposed? You need a roll call. Oh, so I'm sorry. Let's clerk. Let's do the roll call. Council member Owen. Yes. Council member DeFilis. Yes. Hold on. You're supposed to You have to tell me you read this.
Oh, okay. Okay. Mr. uh Owen, did you read the memorandum? Do you agree with it? Yes. Okay. That was the only person who support. Yes. Council member Depampilis. Yes, I read it. Thank you.
Council member Johnston. Yes. And I also read it and agree with it. Council member Dill. Uh yes. And I have read it and I also sit on the planning board so I'm well aware of it. Council member McGuigan.
Uh, I did have a chance to review and uh agree with the memorandum from the planning board and I vote yes for the project. Council President Habercorn. Yes, I did read it and I am voting in the affirmative.
So based on that roll call vote and the comments made, ordinance number 11 is adopted. Ordinance number 15, please. Ordinance number 15 of 2025, an ordinance amending and supplementing chapter 114
development regulations article 28, Summers Point Historic Preservation Commission. May I have a motion? So move. Have a second. Second. Any comments? Not hearing any comments. All in favor?
Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. Ordinance number 15 is introduced. May I have number 16, please? Ordinance number 16 of 2025, an ordinance enacting a continuing
education incentive program for the city of Summers Point Fire Department's firefighters. May I have a motion? I'll make that motion. May I have a second? Second. Any comments? U council president I'll save my comments till the second reading but I do have
anybody else have any comments for at this time not hearing any comments all in favor I any opposed hearing any opposed ordinance number 16 is introduced um and we're going to move on to
resolutions may have a motion to open for public comment I'll make that motion I have a second second All in favor? I. Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. We are now open for public comment.
Please state your name and your address. Thank you. Sure. My name is John Hillbig, 106 East Avenue. I just had a couple questions on resolution 169. Can I just confirm that agreement does not contain any provisions for tax abatements, tax
reductions, any type of tax breaks for either the redeveloper or the potential purchasers of these residential units? I'll confirm that. Yes, that's correct. It does not does not have any. Okay. Number 175. What are what
provisions of that Senate bill are we objecting to or are we objecting to the whole thing? May I? So that is uh is requiring a an addition of a housing element into master plans
and we're well if if we vote in the affirmative for this resolution, we're objecting to that and you know it's it's creating a burden on municipalities. We just happen to be in the midst of creating our master plan as you very
well know, but if we were say five years in, we'd have to reopen it. There's no uh provisions within that bill for timing or or a grace period of anything. You we'd have to react if that becomes uh law as it is written now. We'd have to react to that right now. So,
and it's sort of a it's it's forcing you to create a housing element that that we may or may not be ready to do. So, most of the provisions, it seemed to me that reading that bill um are part of a housing plan anyway.
Yes. Um so, I guess what they're what they're suggesting or what they're requiring through this statute if it passes would be the incorporation of that into your land use element in the master plan. Yes. Okay. All right. So, yes. I mean, it's another way of of
entangling the I see, you know, the the the burden on the municipal, not necessarily against affordable housing, but the burden that's been created for all every New Jersey municipality and one that this community has, for lack of a better term, suffered under for quite some time. Yeah, thank
you. Patricia Pearson, 587 Marks Road, Summers Point. Um, what what floor needs to be fixed in city hall? Right now, we're going out. If this was to be accepted, it would be going out for bid for the flooring right out here
as you come into city hall. The hallway. Yes. The hallway that goes in all directions from here to the tax office and back. Yes. Okay. So, you're going to put a new floor in there maybe. Right. I couldn't I couldn't You're taking bids for it, right? Yes, we're taking bids for it.
All right. Um Well, 901 Maze Landing Road. Is that the new boat building that's being built or what is it? 901 Maze Landing Road. Great Bay. Great. That's the Great Bay area. Oh, Great Bay. Mhm.
So, this is all for Great Bay. Yes. I trust Great Bay. I don't trust any What is this rejection of the bids for 2025, the road bids? What does that mean? Mr. Schneider, would you want to go into the detail on that, please? Yeah, we just went out to bid for paving and there was a clerical error because
we received bids on Junth even though city hall was open. So we're by law we're not permitted to receive bids that date. So we have to reject. So it's like a technicality. Okay. And uh
city hall replacement. What is the municipal aid? What does that mean? The the one um uh 179. That's just that's just another I'm sorry. Yeah, that's another paving. We get
money from the state to do paving. Okay. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. Not seeing anyone else for public comment. Motion to close the public portion on the resolutions. Second. Second. All in favor? I.
Any opposed? Not hearing. Any opposed? We are now closed for public comment on resolutions only. Number 169, please. Resolution number 169 of 2025, a resolution authorizing the execution and
delivery of a redevelopment agreement between the city of Summers Point and Excellar Building Solutions LLC for the proposed development of block 2018 lots 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 1.05, 1.08,
2.02, 1.06, and 1.07. 07. May I have a motion? I'll make that motion. Second. Any comments? Not hearing any comments. Mr. Smith, would you think I should do a roll call in this case or is this just one we can
do as a body? You don't need to do a roll. Okay. Thank you. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Not hearing anyone opposed. Resolution number 169 is approved. 173. Resolution number 173 of 2025
authorizing executive session advice of council and attorney client privilege communication regarding the status of potential contract negotiations between the city and the Atlanta County Improvement Authority relative to its housing rehabilitation program.
Have a motion. I'll make that motion. Second. Any comments? Not hearing any comments. All in favor? Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. Resolution number 173 is approved and again that's going to be an executive session which
will follow up later in the meeting. Number 174, I'm sorry. Resolution number 174 of 2025 authorizing executive session advice of council and attorney client privilege communication regarding the status of litigation involving the city entitled
GH Restaurant Holdings LLC GH Restaurant Enterprises Gary M. Holloway versus the city of Summers Point having a docket number of ATL- C-37-25. We have a motion.
Have a second. Second. Any comments? Not hearing any comments. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. Resolution number 174 is approved. Again, that is an executive session
number 175. Resolution number 175 of 2025 opposing New Jersey Senate Bill S4451 modifying requirements for land use plan element and housing plan element of municipal master plans.
We have a motion. I'll make that motion. Have a second. Second. Any comments? Not hearing any comments. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. Resolution number 175 is approved. number 176, please.
Resolution number 176 of 2025, go governing body certification of the annual audit. I have a motion. I'll make that motion. Have a second. Second. Any comments? Just like to make a comment set closing
uh meeting it was well done. Like the order flew through pretty seamlessly. I thank Shaina and her team and Jason for doing that. Uh, anyone else have any comments? I also congratulate the staff because our audits are good every year. So, they
do a great job. So, it was a lot of detail work. Absolutely. I would suggest we won't. Thank you. Council member Deampilis, yes. Council member Dill, yes. Council member Johnston, yes.
Council member Mcwigan, yes. Council member Owen, yes. Council President Habberghorn, yes. Resolution number 176 is approved. Council member Johnston, do you are you okay with where I have that one um
resolution here expressed that we want to move that? Yeah, I would like to request that we take that out of the consent agenda so that we could have some further discussion. Okay. You want to do that right now then, right? Yes, please. Okay. It would be resolution number 178, correct?
Yes. Okay. Um, you do me a favor and read 178, please. Resolution number 178 of 2025 authorizing RFPs for city hall floor replacements.
Okay. May I have a motion? I'll make that motion. I have a second. Second. Any comments? Yes, I have a comment. Um, so I've been here on council uh it's either six or seven years, I'm
not sure. But but um in that time there have been several several conversations about this building. Um this building is old. It's too small. It doesn't We just
keep putting money into it every single year. We've discussed researching our other options. We were supposed to get estimates on a private partner ship maybe to build a new building. We get get an architect to tell us or an
engineer to tell us if this building is still structurally sound. Can it be added on to? Can it can we put a second floor on? I mean, there's been so many discussions. And I feel like this is just another band-aid that we're putting on something that needs major surgery
and it's costing us thousands and thousands of dollars every single year to maintain this building. Uh it's not big enough. Our administration is in the basement. Our construction office is in a separate building.
Um, I just think it's past due the time to to stop putting band-aids on this and let's let's do let's find out what our other at least find out what our other options are and if there's another way that we can make major improvements to
this building so we can use it for many more years. Um, I'm going to comment if I may. I know our our buildings and grounds uh subcommittee which I'm a part of and Mr. Bill and Mr. Mcwigan are also there is some work being done right now to get
some uh ideas together on the public uh private partnership as Mr. Mcwigan had made reference to in a earlier meeting uh a couple meetings back. So that work is ongoing. Uh, the reason why I I chose to put this on there is about four or five years, I might have the dates a
little wrong, but about four or five years ago, this endeavor of trying to do a new building uh was undertaken. Um, and I I believe a lot of research was done. Uh, Sean gets mad at me say this, but I wasn't on city council at the time, so uh maybe I have the dates a
little wrong, but a lot of work was done, and from what I've been told, it fizzled out and died. Um, and I want to go out for a bid because I believe employees and our residents that come in this building need to have an atmosphere
that is aesthetically pleasing. I know when I worked, I'd like to go into an office that was aesthetically pleasing. I feel like the floor uh needs to be replaced. Um, if we get the um if we get the bids in and and Mr. Frost can find money within the budget to to do it. I I
think we should move forward because there's no guarantee as evidenced by our past history that we can get a consensus to get a new building either built or redo this building. So that is why I put it on uh
the agenda at this time. Um because I I just don't have I think it needs to be this building needs to be cleaner. When you just look at the entrance way in today, I think most of you probably noticed you no longer have those two big bushes when you come in over here. It
looks a little more aesthetically pleasing and a little bit more welcoming. I think more of that we can do. And I agree with you 100%. Uh, Council Member Johnston, we need to do something, but our past history has been at it fizzled out. So, that's Could I weigh in on that? And I agree
and I agree with what uh councilwoman uh said there that you know we we really need to drive in some sort of direction, get something really going here and uh and figure out what our future is and you know and I've had private discussions and I probably discussions
that you know I I think we need a a new building how we get there. Uh you know I continue to work on that with the committee and uh you know we'll redouble those efforts and get that going. I just want to point out that this resolution is only to put out an RFP to gather
quotes. We'll have an opportunity to reject those quotes and not spend the money at at that time once we get those quotes. So, uh I'm advocating let's see what it's what's going to cost and and you know, like anything you buy, is it worth doing? Uh and then we'll we'll go
from there. Thank you. Any other comments? Yeah, Council President. Um, I agree with Councilwoman Johnson. Uh, the, uh, we need to move forward with a new building. I know that the committee is
working hard to do that now again. and um to make the building aesthetically pleasing to the public and to our employees. Uh I feel that we need to move forward because when we make the decision
to go into a private public partnership and we move forward, you're probably talking 3 to 5 years before the building would be completed. And I don't think we should be look, our employees and the public should be looking at a floor in that condition and probably even worse
condition over the next 3 to 5 years. So, I'm in favor of going out at least in getting a price on it and uh if it's affordable and Mr. uh the business administrator can uh find the money to do it, uh I think we should move forward with it. Uh there's just things that
we're going to have to do in order to survive in this building until such time we have something better. Any other comments? Wait, do you get the price for a new roof? Um, any other constructive comments at this knew you?
Listen, I'm just uh you know that before I lose control. All in favor? I I'm a no. Okay. Uh hearing one. No. We're okay to move forward. Consent agenda.
Let me go back to consent agenda here. Hang on a second. May I have a motion for the consent agenda, please? I'll make that motion. May I have a second? Second. Any comments? Not hearing. Any comments? All in favor? I.
Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed. The consent agenda is approved. Okay. Does anyone have any old business to discuss? Not hearing any old business. We have a
um a large large laundry list of approvals for social affairs. There is one typo in here. Under approval for social affairs permit application for Robert Johnson
post 28 2189. It says November 1st. It is supposed to read November 11th. Okay. So, with that change, may I get a motion to accept because I'm assuming that the chief has cleared all this.
Yes. May I get a motion to accept uh the um under new business all of these social affair permits? I'll make that motion. I'll second. All in favor? Second. Sorry, President. I just need to recuse myself from the Okay. uh third one down the or
excuse me the second one down the summers historical society event uh which is the good old days festival which I'm a part of as well as a part of the historical society so I'd like to recuse myself from consideration on that okay thank you so all in favor I
any opposed not hearing any opposed the social affair permits on the new business are accept let's see here let's see we go down here we want to discuss the bills Certainly. Uh this evening we have a
record of payments in the amount of $258 and we have a bill list in the amount of $1,619 68567. Okay. I have a motion and a second to open for public comment. Please I'll make that motion.
Have a second. Second. All in favor? I opposed. Hearing any opposed. We are now open for public comment. Again, we need your name stated as well as your address.
Um, Patricia Pearson, 587 Marks Road. Um, number one, if you would uh send the court to Maze Landing, you could use that nice court office to clean up the
basement and it would improve the uh area for about another five or 10 years because with the taxes we pay, I don't care how much grants you're getting or this or that. People aren't going to go for a
new city hall. and you know it. I mean, this is insane. And also, even getting things for the hockey field and things like that, you have a lot of nerve when you the the schools up four cents. Don't you read the newspapers? I'm telling you. And also, did you read the article
on page three of the Sentinel this week about when you don't we don't know who we are, what we're doing. What are we? Are we a beach town? Are we a or are we a family res? What are we? Let's figure that out. The other thing
is the banners are excellent. They are the nicest thing that have hit this town all year. They are absolutely excellent. I can't believe whoever did that deserves a a medal. Um the road from the bridge coming up by to
Josie's is so perfect. Everybody loves that. The curbs are beautiful. So these are the good things that are happening. the hero um hero organization just had a big uh event today 5 to7 at Josie
Kelly's. Nobody was there but the bottom line is that's a really good organization. You should support it. You say I have counsel. You could have run in there said a little speech or something. Show your face. I mean that that deserves a little more support.
Uh, do you know how many vendors licenses are at the beach? Does anybody know? No. There's still two. There's two. Two. Do you know who they are?
It's a uh uh ice cream gentleman and a coffee company. Uh, they were the coffee company was down there last week. I asked them. Are there any gray areas? Any what? Gray areas. Gray. Gray. Color. Gray.
Gray areas means that uh not black or not white. It's gray. Are there any gray areas? Depending gray areas for for any kind of a charity or anything at the beach. Is there a gray area? This isn't real hard to get a vendor's
license. $80. You go in, you fill out an application. You then get yourself cleared by police department and you get a vendor's license. that part. I agree. But what about what about the volunteers of a charity that want to give it and you have to have three forms of
identification? Like it's almost like a terrorist thing. You're trying not to have terrorists. I mean, I want to go and give pretzels out at the beach. I have to give you three forms of identification. Does that make any sense at all? We we do have a process, Mr. Smith, for
the render license and we apply that to all. That's the What law are we following with that one? city ordinances. Send me an email. I'll send you the ordinance. This isn't a real hard I believe. Yeah, I believe there's an ordinance, but at the diner, I said to a
lot of people and said, I'm going to ask you a question because I do know a lot of people at the diner. Why don't you give me their names? Bill Riker is one of them. He said, "Doesn't they have a gray area?" Then we start going down the line. Either we either we adhere to the law or we don't. Okay.
All right. You got that? I put that on the record because I'm going to bring us some things next week. Okay, that's parts good. Good. I like that. Okay, now the Oprah request. Is there a delay in city hall or what's going on? If you Oprah something, can't you get it?
Yeah, we we you submit it goes to business. How long does it take? Seven business days. Are you sure? Just talked to the uh clerk who's sitting right next to me, the Okay. Well, somebody called me today and told me they didn't get the roper. Say that again. They called me.
Were they at the diner? So I said, "What's wrong with you?" Seven days. Tell them to call the city clerk. That person should be here complaining, not her. So everything is so great, but when it comes up to ask questions about what? What? What? Seven business days. Everybody, nobody knows what they're
doing. I'm answering the question. Seven business days. Okay. I'll get you the name. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thanks. May I get a motion to close public comment, please? A motion to close public comment on open
session. Public portion. Public portion. Yes. Have a second, please. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? We now close for public comment. May I have a motion to pay the bills? So moved. Second. A second.
Second there, Mr. D. Second. Absolutely. Second. Thank you. Couldn't hear over here. All in favor? I can't hear you. All right. Any opposed? Not hearing any opposed to pay the bills, Mr. Frost. Um, comments from the governing body. Any comments?
All right. Uh, we're going to be going No, hearing no comments. We're going to be going into executive session after a brief recess. Anyone that wants to wait out there, you're more than welcome to wait and then we will reach out and have you come in. Thank you.