Okay. Good evening. The meeting of the Bureau of Somerville Board of Adjustment will please come to order. Adequate notice of this meeting as required by the Open Public Meeting Act has been provided that on May 18th, 2025, a revised meeting schedule was posted on the
outside of Burough Hall, given to the clerk administrator, mailed fact email to the Courier News, and posted on the Burough website. If any member believes that this meeting is being held in violation of the Open Public Media Act, please state your views at this time. These proceedings are judicial in
nature. Only those items on the agenda may be discussed or questions asked about. Proper judicial decorum must and will be maintained. Next item is roll call. Chairman Adair here. Ed Allen
here. Robera Carbonets here. Morgan McLaclin here. Rich O'Neal here. Brian Vimky here. John Flores here. Eric Alvarez here. And Stuart Daniels is excused. Okay. Uh we have a quorum. Do we have any um conflicts? None. Okay. Next item.
Roll call. Um pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all.
Okay. Next item. You have any resolution? A minute. Approval of the minutes of the last meeting. Second. Move the second. All in favor? Opposed? Abstain. Resolutions. Have any?
Not tonight. Okay. Excuse me. Okay. What do we have next? Ryan applications. Our land use applications. 79.
Okay. 79 Thr Street. Good evening, Mr. O'Rnik. Good evening, members of the board. Uh Mike O'Rnik from Savos Shaw Law Firm. Um before I begin, I'm just going to hand out the colorized uh version of the site plan. Okay.
Okay. I think we're going to mark that as a applicant A1. Thanks. Um, I'll have the architect or I'll have the engineer describe this when he's uh going to present it as his exhibit. Um,
I'm here on behalf of Ark Development Group LLC. Um, in connection with a property located at 79 Third Street, Block 59, lot 10. The applicant is a contract per is a contract per purchaser. Uh, property is currently
owned uh by Sahage Patel. He's redoing uh the building to the left that you see on the site plan. Um, and this application is uh a property that's located in the R2 single family residential zone. We're here tonight on a minor
subdivision um with certain bulk and F variances. Uh the property is currently a a pre-existing oversized lot which we propose to subdivide into two single family lots. Lot one will contain the
existing single family dwelling which is presently under renovation pursuant to permits issued by the burrow. Lot two is proposed to accommodate a new single family dwelling, a three-bedroom home with a onecar garage, finished basement, and approximately 2,220
square ft of living area. Importantly, this is intended to be a for sale, not a rental. So, we intend to get sell this, put it on the market, and hopefully get a a nice new family uh here in Somerville. The uses for single family residential
properties, of course, are permitted in the R2 zone. The relief necessitated by the subdivision are the D floor area ratio variances where um lot one proposes 46.7% and lot two
proposes 52.2. 2. The maximum F in the R2 zone is 30%. There's also bulk or C variances associated with the minimum lot area. 6,000 square foots required and 4,251
and 437 are proposed. Lot frontage 50 foot required, 41.75 are proposed for each lot. Lot depth 100 foot required. Lot two is at 95.36 ft. Front yard 25 foot is required. Lot one is the
existing nor non-conformity at 11.5 feet. The minimum sideyard uh 8 foot and 20 foot is required and lot one is 4.6 and 19.6 ft. The parking spaces uh we're proposing uh one outdoor space where two
are required and the driveway width 10t is permitted and lot two proposes the 12 uh 12t. There's also a street tree waiver, a requirement under the ordinance for two and one exists. And then of course we would either plan
another tree or make a contribution in lie thereof. Um tonight we have Sahage Patel. He's the uh owner, the developer. Um he can answer any questions about uh you know operations or his plan for this particular project or the adjacent
property. Our first witness is our professional engineer Dave Styers from his firm here in Somerville. Um we also have Paul Odontas, our architect. Um we have some a rendering and uh that we will present and then to
finish off our testimony, we have Paul Ricky from Ricky Planning, our planner. David, would you please stand? Please raise your right hand. Do you swear the testimony you're about to give in this matter will be the truth? So I hope you got it. Yes, I do. Please state your name and spell your last name for the record.
David Styers. St I s. Thank you very much. Uh, Mr. Chairman, I have reviewed the proposed notice and found it was acceptable as the form and content the board can act the board can exercise jurisdiction over this
application. Mr. Sty, uh, tell us about what you've been doing the last 35 years in that area of civil engineering. Stipulate to Mr. thy credentials. Thank you, Mr. Adair. Go ahead. He's appeared before this board more
than many of our members. All right. Um, so as Michael had indicated, 793rd Street, there is an existing drawing uh located um it's right. Yeah.
So, we're on the north side of uh Third Street, and on the western portion of the subject property is an existing plus or minus,700 square foot uh two twostory um house, single family house. We intend
to and actually have started renovation on that um house. It will remain single family. We intend to subdivide the property. uh the the house was situated such that you know a large portion of
the pro the uh vacant portion of the property is on the eastern portion of the uh subject lot. So we intend to basically subdivide that down the middle, create two 4,000
square foot properties and uh construct a second single family house on that uh second side. Um that house uh would be um about 2200 square feet. Uh as Michael
indicated is a onecar garage and a driveway which would accommodate a second vehicle. Um relative to the comments about the uh variance for the uh western driveway. uh
we plan on extending that so that it is adequate for uh two vehicles on site which is a minimum of 36 feet. So that would re eliminate or reduce that uh variance or design waiver that we were requesting
for parking. The other thing we try to accommodate with the proposal is to provide adequate setbacks based on the R2 zone uh for the proposed house. The existing house has a couple existing conditions on the west
side uh just slightly short on the uh um the western sideline as well as the uh frontage. Again, those are existing conditions that will remain, but we have notice for those uh variances.
Um, utility services will be from the road. Uh, typical for single family house for the new lot. Uh, I read through u Michael's comments about the storm water and what we would plan to do is not
increase the uh storm water runoff to that eastern property. Right now currently uh everything runs west to east down towards uh Peters Brook and uh so there's an existing flow of water uh
in that direction and we will we will make accommodations not to increase that runoff onto that uh property to our east. So we uh I know he mentioned uh dry wells and uh possible piping out to
the street with the roof leaders. I think that would be the preference rather than the dry wells Somerville the uh material the soil conditions in this town do not accommodate uh percolation uh very well. So we would uh have a
preference in in just trying to get the water off the site uh rather than trying to uh infiltrate it. That's pretty much it. It's a simple application from an engineering and a subdivision point of view. Um, you know,
we do have a planner here that will testify to the the variance issues. And um, I guess there was a comment related to um the replacement or the repair of the sidewalks. What's the intention of the Yeah, that's that's a standard comment
and and condition of all applications. So, we would have to uh address those issues. And there's a street tree. Is that intended to be replaced on site or a contribution made to the tree far? Uh we'll I'll I'll see if we can accommodate it on site. If we cannot,
we'll have to uh provide a contribution. I have nothing further for the witness. Anybody from the board have any questions of Mr. Styers? The telephone looks like it's sitting right
It's right, Ed. It's right to the west of the uh proposed driveway. that little dot in your plans. It's a C. Yeah. Circular thing. Yeah. Will there be enough um room for ingress and egress and citron?
Yeah, the we're actually asking for a waiver from the 10 foot to make it 12 feet the driveway. U Mr. Styers, um on the um east side. Yeah, the east side of the property. Yes. How how much room will you have between
you for your sideyard setback? How much will you have 10.15 to the face of the building or the the side of the building? Eight feet is required. eight feet on one side and 12 on the other for a total of 20. Yeah.
On 43 on 43 feet of width. That's correct. Y 20 required 20 ft of sideyard setback. Yes. Which would actually give you a 20 foot home.
It's a rather narrow home. 22 23 feet because the one on um the one that's already on the lot, the the um former owner appeared before this board probably five, six years ago to take
that piece of property um and renovate it. And it was going to be approximately 1,700 square feet when and that's a one of those um two and a half story frame colonials. And the preponderance of the homes on Third
Street and Second Street are between 11 and,300 square feet. Now you're proposing a 2200 square foot house. Yeah. On on a 4,000 square foot lot. Yeah, Mr. Mr. Chairman, that does include we were cautious about the F and
we actually did include the uh the basement and the square footage. So, it's you know, not as much. And I I think Mr. Ricky has uh some discussion that he can provide uh relative to the
size of the house and and what is appropriate uh to to build in that uh neighborhood in any in any any neighborhood. Um the the other thing that I I overlooked mentioning uh Mike did talk about the
elevation of the um finished floor and um most of the houses on that street have you know a front porch and several risers going up to the first floor. So I
think being 2 and 1/2 ft above existing grade is consistent with the the elements out there and it's also consistent with the uh code where you know your wood framing and such have to be a certain de uh dimension above the
existing grade when you build a house. So it's it's an appropriate height or elevation for that finished floor. Anybody from the public have any questions of Mr. Dave, I have a couple questions. You the utilities to the new dwelling going to
be underground to the extent we can get them underground. Uh the the uh the only thing I raise the only reason I raise that is the electric is above you know that that pole that Ed had mentioned has uh a
connection to the existing house and then a connection to the house to the um east of the property uh overhead. Uh but if we can if they'll provide it underground you know we'll install it underground. Yeah, I don't think you have a choice because RSIs
that you have to go on the ground. I just hate to fight the P, you know, the utility companies. That's Well, I'm just clarifying what? So, uh, you're proposing the driveway being a variance for the driveway width for 12 feet as opposed to 10, the middle
10. Yes. And the driveway on the existing house is going to be the porch is being taken down. And you're going to extend that driveway where the porch is to give the exit the additional length. That's
correct. Two cars can come off. Yeah. Uh Sahage has not taken that porch down uh pending this uh this hearing. Right. The rest of the renovation being the additions been done, right? The I don't know if you guys have the architectural plans, but the plan
submitted shows siding, but I think it's an ephace. So someone's going to testify on the what the elements of the existing facade are. Yes. Okay. So the plan is to take the porch down, the wraparound porch to accommodate the longer driveway. That's correct. Yes, we will provide
that 36 minimum and that driveway width is going to be 10 ft. Yes. So you comply with the 10 ft on the existing driveway asking for a variance for the two feet for the new driveway.
That's correct. And you're going to leveling sidewalks, all that stuff. The stuff that's in the report that that is damaged. Yes. You can comply with obviously. Okay. And the storm water management, the plan is to get it to the street. Somehow we're
going to get the roof leaders or curbace discharge so that the runoff is matches the pre-existing. That's correct. Anybody else? Please, please come identify yourself. Please come forward. Give your name and
address. My name is Tatisha Towns. I live at 753rd Street. So, I'm on the the opposite side of the existing house. Um, so my concern of course is drainage is is is going to be drainage.
Um, as you know, Somerville has been flooding uh quite a bit lately. Um, especially, you know, with a new construction. You're saying the drainage is going to be underground. What we're proposing to do is to uh not increase
the runoff towards your house and collect the roof leaders underground and run them out to the curb so they would be out into third street as opposed to running over your property, right? Because one of the drainage on that current property that's being
renovated kind of faces our house currently right now. No, I I know it does. And I I I just indicated that to the board that everything's running west east right at you right now, right? And we're going to try to accommodate running that out to the street to reduce the impact.
Okay. And then the it's the garage is going to be underground. Two a twocar garage. It's a onecar garage and it's 2 feet below finish grade. So you would go in from the street and thenraight. It wouldn't go up. It
wouldn't go down. It would just go up about a foot and then right into the garage. It's not going to be on the ground. Okay. It's It's that great. That Yeah, it's that great. And Dave, do to Could you tie the roof leaders in for the existing house to get rid of some of
that runoff as you said, west to east? Yes. The better the situation. We'll look at that. Yeah. If you're going to tie them in, the elevations are almost the same is what I'm getting at. Maybe look at both proposed lots. If we're going to run this, that would better the situation being we get the runoff from the
existing footprint to the street as opposed to onto her property, right? Okay. That's that's any other. He's going to make sure I protect your law. Dave, there's an existing fence that
runs the front. Is that for you? I just had a question report about whether the fence is to remain. It's like a three foot high chain lick fence. Is that is that something new or is that an architect or sahage or is it going to be gone? He says it's going
going to be removed. This will be removed. Okay. And the property corners you going to put the monuments the rebar caps that uh I probably just pins are required by the MLU. that you're gonna right you're going to put one a point being you're going to put prop you're going to put
the property corner and this is going to be filed should the board do it by deed deed is a simpler form of doing it so we would rather do it that way the the uh the plats and the myars are right cumbersome
for a minor certainly easier for our office I'm just clarifying what should the board approve it what what the mechanisms would be on that should weclude condition in connection with the um my apologies um
well recordation or uh well it's his discretion he's saying he's wants to follow up by deed which is pretty much standard on my because of the cost I agree with Dave no I I I was going to say because either either is legally sufficient so it
shouldn't be a problem um and uh okay we We don't need to do we don't need to do a condition on that. Now the normal process should the board approve this would be right to get the deed recorded then do the plot plan subsequent to the deed recording is Michael correct
is that how you see it? We would get as a compliance. You'd have a compliance should the board approve this for the filing of the mon subdivision and then we would go through compliance for the storm water all that for the lot once it's been uh recorded.
Is that how you see it, Michael? Yeah, that's how we do it in pretty much every town. Right. I was going to I No, it's e either is legally acceptable. So, I mean it's really his option. Should we do anything in connection with the fence? Is that a necessary condition or
uh he's saying I'm hearing that he's saying he will do it. The fence is going to be gone. I had a question what the status of the fence is and my understanding is that the applicant is saying that the existing chain link fence is going to be removed. I don't believe then there then there is a need for a condition with that
the uh fence to the west of the house. Do you guys own that? You guys own that fence between the two houses? I think they're on the east side on east side. Um They're on the west side. Yeah, they're on the west. So, don't take down their fence.
Right. Yes. Come on. For the record, identify yourself. Give your address, please. Michael Towns. Um, it's a big lie. It's always been a big lie. I was the last one to speak when Mark owned the house.
I was I was pro fixing the house because it's ever since I lived there, it's been abandoned. Um, I would be pro for this house if it was a mother daughter, but I don't see it like that now. It looks like a money grab. He's developing and splitting it. Do you have a question for the witness or you?
Yes, that's a question. This is a question for the engineer. It's rather than statements. There'll be a time for comments. Okay, I'll wait for the comments. Okay. So, and can I have a copy of this? Sure. For the record, that's applicants
exhibit A1. Anyone else from the audience have any questions on Mr. Styer's uh Mr. Styer's presentation? Thank you, Mr. Stars. Thank you. Our next witness is Paulo Dantas, our architect.
Could you for the record um identify? I need to swear him in. You raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give in this matter will be the truth? So help you God. Yes. Please state your name and spell your last name for the record.
Sure. Uh name is Paulo Dantis. First name is Paulo. P A U L O. Last name is Dantis. D A N T A S. Thank you very much. Mr. Aradic, your witness, sir. Uh Paulo, can you give the benefit uh of your education and your professional licenses?
Sure. Uh graduated from the New Jersey Institute of Technology in 2002 with a bachelor's in architecture, been licensed in the state of New Jersey since 2007. uh have been in various boards in Mammoth uh Union County. Um this will
probably this is my first time in uh Somerville. Um and my license is current. Okay. Thank you. And could you just go uh but first I think we need to identify uh the colorized rendering as A2.
Uh could you provide the date of the revisions and then just describe this exhibit? Please write A2 on it and give the uh well it's that you're you're introducing it tonight but the date the date of revision should be indicated on the plans. In any event,
it has 617 um due to the fact that when we when submit drawings they come in color but they print in black and white. So we still have it as 2025 uh June of 17. Okay. All right. Could you kindly go over um what your
vision is for this shut? So, the property is located at 793rd Street. Uh we are proposing a single family uh home uh building footprint of 934 square ft. Um we're looking at a livable
area on the first and second floor of 1,579 square ft. Um including the garage is 281 square ft. Uh the property is currently vacant where we being subdivided. Um what we are proposing
within this home is a 21 foot uh 5 in and 44T 6 in deep um home. Um within that basement floor plan on sheet A101, we're proposing a finished basement 641 square
ft. We'll have a mechanical room at the rear which will provide the heating and cooling from the furnace and also a water heater. Um adjacent to it, we'll looking to pro provide a full bathroom, a tub, toilet and sink. The remainder will be recreational. Um our ceiling
height that we're proposing is 8 ft 4 in. We'll have access interior stair to access the first floor and also the garage level. Uh the construction type will be a C CMU wall foundation. uh with
concrete uh slabs along not only at the base at the basement uh the garage and also at the porch. Our proposed first floor plan number two and sheet A101 we have a livable area of 934 square ft.
Within that first floor we have a main entrance facing uh with a porch facing the third third street. Um the layout is consistent of a open plan towards the rear where we have a kitchen, eating area and living room. Uh we're proposing
ceiling heights of 8 ft. A pre-fabricated gas fireplace is being proposed, U-shaped kitchen with the peninsula, and additionally, we're looking to provide a half bathroom and again the stair to have accessibility upstairs with some type of access to the
onecar garage. On our proposed second floor plan number three on sheet A101, we're proposing three bedroom including the master. The master bedroom will consist of walk-in closet, a master bathroom, double sinks, toilet, and large shower. Bedroom one
and two. Each will have their own closet shared with a whole bathroom. And we're looking to provide also a laundry closet. Lastly, we're proposing a drop down ladder just to access the attic furnace. It will not be finished. It's just for
mechanical purposes. If I could go back to the renderings. The total height that we're proposing in this home is approximately 28T 5 in to the top of the main uh hip ridge. Uh the architectural characteristics and some
materials that we're proposing aesthetically um not only from the neighborhood but also from the client. Uh the materials I'm proposing uh in the front is hardy board clapboard siding on the left side and also uh Hardy board uh vertical siding on the right side where
the garage is mainly there. Uh we're proposing uh the main roof to be ashful shingles. The main canopy at the entrance will be aluminum uh roofing and then the sides and the rear will be provided with vinyl siding. Uh the
colors that we tried to introduce is sort of a sterling gray uh with two shades on the right side of a little bit darker gray. Um we try to uh break down the the facade not only horizontally but
also vertically by introducing uh canopies and recessing some of the elements as long as with the roof. So we don't have this continuous uh monolithic elevation or facade. I have no further questions for the architect.
Anybody from the board have any questions of the architect? Yeah, I do. The uh you're going to air condition this place. Yes. Where you can put the condensers? I know you were going to ask me. So, we're looking maybe perhaps putting it at the rear next to where the stairs are.
I didn't I didn't understand what you just said. I at the at the rear next to the stairs at where the sliding door is at the rear next to the eating area on the first floor. Should I That's fine. Just you spoke quickly. Sorry. Oh, okay. I apologize.
You said you're thinking about leaving them there. That's fine. We can have that can be a condition. Yeah. I had some questions about uh one of the either the eastern or the western. One has one window, one has two windows.
It's a huge wall for one window. Is there any consideration to adding windows or breaking up that facade? We could do that. Um the only reason we try not to put too many windows towards the side is just create a little bit
more privacy for the neighbors, but um but we're okay to add if need to. That'll be fine. Yeah. I I just don't know what the board's feeling on that, especially like um I would recommend 102. uh especially that powder room. Perhaps a window there would be nice to
have. Um and then I could put um additionally one also would come in in the front entrance maybe towards the right side of the stair. Um we could adjust those things. Yes. So the AC compressor is going to be on
the rear northern side. Sorry, it will be directly where the living room is next to the um the deck area. So you can provide some uh noise data calculations to show it complies with noise coordinates. Okay. Yeah. Usually we either put some type of
um fencing with some type of bushes and things like that just to at least visually take that away. And additionally with the sound is alsinuation. So the basement won't be won't be a bedroom. It's shown as it cannot. So it it has no bedroom. It
has no egress windows. It has nothing. is strictly for recreation purposes. So the three sides are vinyl sliding, the front is hardy plank. Yes. So we're proposing anything that is facing facewise. You have a cement board, right? On the front.
Yes, it is. So when I say front, I mean introducing it here, here, here, a little bit on the sides and then the front and then once eventually comes around, then that becomes the sighting. So I just wanted to make sure that these sides
has still the hardboard party hards. So all the exterior lighting will be residential style in the cord. It will and we're introducing it that everything is kind of down light. Like for example, even on our front porch, we have uh recess lighting on the canopy. So everything is being pushed down.
Is there any landscaping proposed foundation landscaping or there's nothing on Dave's plans showing any? I I I usually don't show it. I leave it to the engineer, but I'm sure we could propose some landscaping. Yeah, I you know
what I would suggest is that we defer to Mr. Cole's wisdom on appropriate local shrubbery out some foundation planning something to Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. You'd be around for him to grow.
So there's going to be a hatch you set on for the attic and you're going to have the forced air unit in the attic. In the attic, that's it. The furnace. So it's forced air heat and AC. So right now once the two properties are divided, what will be the the visual
divider between the two? Um, I'm not sure if they're going to put a fence, but a fence could be an option um to divide that. Um, I know that fences usually go to the front of the facade of of the property or start in the back. Um, but I'll leave that as,
you know, for the owner, for the engineer to accommodate that, but I would if we have dogs and things like that, it's always nice to be fenced there. Okay. Any other questions? Could you describe the again. Sure. So, the basement is approximately
615 square ft. The purpose of the basement is uh is just for recreational purposes. What we do have in addition to that, we have a mechanical room where our furnace for the heating and cooling will be provided. We'll give AC we'll give the heating and cooling not only for the
basement but also for the first floor. We're also going to have the water heater there. That's what's going to accommodate for the hot water coming into the whole entire home. And then we also provided a full bathroom there with a sink, toilet, and tub, I guess, just so we don't have to go upstairs to use the bathroom.
Sink, toilet, and tub. Tub would be a shower. Uh, I have it as a tub. I don't have it as a shower. Just have a tub. Uh, tub, shower. I guess that's what it is. It's kind of unusual if you're not going to have a a bedroom down there to have a tub, right? Um, so I'm not going to say
that's not unusual, but sometimes to get certain assessments, a full bathroom versus half bathroom has tendency to give a little bit more, you know. Is there any intention to use this as a living space? You know, in other words, another bedroom, another aspect of rec
aspect of living space. You say you said recreational. I'd like you to clarify what that what exactly that's going to mean. Recreation is once a homeowner buys it, it could be used as anything as a TV room, as a game room, anything in that recreation
portion. No, we're not looking has not been expressed to me there going to be a bedroom, but we are providing a space to provide some type of wreck. I have kids, they need space to play. It becomes a playroom. Yeah. Can we can we see the basement plan again? Oh, yeah, of course.
Yeah. Yeah. the the the board doesn't have copies of the drawing. So, it might be beneficial to show the elevations and the floor plan on the screen. So, that it's the uh leftmost. Yes, it is. Uh oh, right there. There you go.
A little bit. Okay. And I'll point out Well, it's is indicated with room names. Will HVAC be used in the uh will there be vent venting and things like that in
the basement? Yes, it should. We need circulation over there. Okay. So, there's no there's no access to the basement from the garage. So, let me just put that um we we testified that we're going to have it only 2 and 1/2 ft from the finished
floor, which then we need the wood framing. So we're looking this thing to be like 10 inches from the ground. The CMU the actual u you know foundation. So I I even if we put a window has to be a window well the most and I'm not even proposing windows.
Why not? Um I personally don't like it. um water, leaves, there's a lot of things that accumulate. I I understand the intent, but if it's for sale, I know the applicant has no
control about who's buying it. True. And there might be some cons consideration may be given to providing a second means egress even though the testimony is no bedroom, right? If you have someone playing down there or
Sounds more like a studio apartment. It smells like a bedroom. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So, but wait a minute. I've got a house that's 125 years old. I've got a basement. Nobody lives down there, but certainly somebody could. And no matter what we
say, the owner is going to do what they're going to do. So, should we forbid the basement entirely or forbid the subdivision entirely? I think we're getting kind of weeds. No, no. I'm just suggesting, Rich, that there'd be some kind of light and air, a second means of egress with this new
construction because no one really knows what's going to be down there in 10 years. Well, probably electric trains did, I would guess. But but the window wells accumulate trash, leaves, raccoons, everything. Raccoons. I mean, I mean, they they just do.
They're a nuisance. Bat bats, too, by the way. They eventually leak. So, if we're going to talk about window wells, we might as well plant cattails in there to start with. You know, I think we're kind of This is a house. Do I want to see somebody living in the basement? Absolutely not.
If somebody buys the house and they put their kids down there, what can we do about it? Nothing. I I I also also also want to mention that we also limit it to the size of the home, right? So giving another space for um like a family room or something like
that, it just seems feasible to use the basement. Is there a um is there a waterproofing plan? And if there's a waterproofing plan available, where would the water be diverted to? Um I think that we actually um discussed that. So we we'll have a
perimeter uh drain and we'll also have a sump pump um and that will be discharging um into the the gutter system or the drainage system and then will seep away. So that would be an internal waterproofing system then
internal and external as well. So we we're having all our gutters, all the rain, roof water um coming down and being dispersed away from the home. Uh we're also going to have our uh our damp roofing around the foundation along with
the perimeter and usually that satisfy any water come penetrating the the basement and the code requires a sump pump. So the sump pump will be it. It's really weird like I have to bring the water in to bring it out but that's what the but you can certainly tie it into the roof.
That's what I mean. and then they will disport will just as a point of clarification I only ask about the use of the basement because I represent other municipalities where that's an issue where it's becomes
another li living unit and you know obviously it has not only tax implications but the health implications things like that so I I routinely ask that question I'm certainly not trying
to uh pre pressure the applicant in any way, but for purposes of complete record, that's why I ask it. Well, atticts and basements are problems generally, especially a town this old. And do we want anybody living in either
one of them? No. But this is a application for a house. And we could tell them, well, okay, you know, you can't own a horse. I mean, we can make all kinds of rules, but the bottom line is it's a house. No,
exactly. No, I I I concur with you. I just, as I say, just wanted to get it in the record. I guess I guess the issue for me is that there's a bathtub down there and it not not saying it's going to create a
situation where it turns into a living space, but it opens up the possibility of that becoming a more it create increases the possibility of that becoming a living space. I don't know if that's within our jurisdiction to say no bathtub down there, but it's just a a
point I think we need to discuss. One thing that other towns have required for applicants is to do a deed restriction. I think we've done them for dens in this town. Oh, yeah. So, we could do a deed restriction and record it that it can't be used as a as a as a bedroom.
I mean, it's another layer of protection. I mean, of course, your resolution would be enforceable with zoning, but we could we have no objection to filing a deed restriction. That just memorializes for future owners uh that it can't be used as a as a
bedroom. That would be up to the board. Certainly, that's their discretion, its discretion. I mean, anybody else have any questions of the uh architect? Anyone from the audience have any
questions of the testimony just given by the architect? Okay. Okay, Mr. O'Reick. Thank you. Um, our final witness is Paul Ricky from Ricky Planning. You guys come on up. Real quick question.
Yeah, just come up to the mic. I see I see the numbers on here. It's like he put the the footage of his lots, but he didn't do the footage of the other lots. It it seems like like our these lots are not that big.
It seems like it's it's a little smok and mirrors there. Our next witness will testify as to the adjacent lot sizes and structures. Well, I live there. I don't know about testifying, but house is not that big. Thank you. It's to scale.
Okay. Next. Please raise your right hand. Do you solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give in this matter will be the truth? So help you God. I do. Please state your name and spell your last name for the record, sir. It's Paul Ricky. R I CCI. Very good.
Mr. Ricky. Um, you're you're familiar with Mr. Ricky. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, I I do I'm not going to speak to it right away, but I do have an out for for the board um to discuss the the characteristics of the area. That's for
you and then yours. I think we should mark that as applicants. A3 Did I just keep one for myself? Um, I mean, be before I I enter my direct testimony, I'm I'm in a town that that
is very concerned about basement planners. I'm a I'm a planner in five towns that I represent. And when when I looked at this, one of the things to consider as well is that there's no exterior door that's being proposed. There's no direct access. And one of the
things that I I think as a planner, as a general planner in the town that you like to see is that any of those rooms have to go through common space and it's not like a direct way in. Um I know under the building code that that bedrooms are not permitted unless
there's a secondary form of egress, right? Um, the building code would allow you to have the, you know, the summer kitchen of Italian descent, right? Um, and you and it it does allow bathroom space, but that bedroom is not allowed under the building code unless there's another form of of access, right?
I personally believe as a planner is that the access is the key. You can't it's hard to rent something out if somebody has to come through your common living area to get there. So, if the design has that element, it's my opinion, it's not usually a
problem. Maybe it's, you know, it's, you know, someone might sleep down there, they fall asleep at night, but that's not the intention. Um um as part of my review, um I I did prepare a fairly detailed outline. So, I may have to rely
on it to give you some facts and figures more than I may traditionally do. But we're seeking the F variance, right? We have different levels of proof that we have to provide. um that F variance has a lower level of requirements than a use variance. Um we don't have to uh
reconcile the emission of this use from from your master plan. The key to the positive criteria is the ability for this site to accommodate the problems associated with the increased F and I'm going to talk about that. And for all variances, we have to demonstrate that these variance can be granted without a
substantial detriment to the public good in your zone plan. for the existing condition variances that aren't being exacerbated. We believe for those that it's appropriate to testify under the C1 hardship provisions for a legally nonconforming condition that exists
today that's not being exacerbated. and then new conditions. Uh we're seeking those variances under the flexible C2 criteria that we can show that the essentially the the benefits outweigh the detriments and it results in in sound land use planning essentially to
to summarize. Um I mean I I was at the site. I looked at your master plan. Um I spoke with the project team and I I did prepare some some information about the area. Um, I mean, your master plan has a lot of policies of housing and the like
and and I I can go through those in in detail later or more, but I mean the policy here that I think is most advanced is, you know, to prevent the deterioration of individual structures from exerting delotterious effect on the surrounding area by adopting reasonable
regulations. Um, and it goes on and talk about having a v r v r v r v r v r v r v r v r v r v r varity types of housing types and the like the existing home. I looked at it from over the years on um on Street View and then today I saw some of the improvements that were being undertaken by the applicant. This is an
older area of town. It's an area of town that I think could benefit from revitalization and in new structures. The neighborhood I'll talk about is is is somewhat uh varied and I'm going to get into some details about that. Um, in
terms of lot widths, I find the width of a lot in an area such as this on on small lots is really the defining characteristic of how development occurs in a neighborhood. Um, there's many lots here that are that are 33.3 feet wide.
And clearly a house on a 33 foot wide lot is orients itself differently. The shape of the house, whether you can have parking, how close it is to adjoining lots and the like. And then there's lots that are larger in the neighborhood as well that I'll talk about. I'm going to
give you uh summaries of of uh what I show in yellow um and orange for the for the what I found to be the really the area of influence here the block u in those in those characteristics. Um, one of the things that that I did I
did find um, interesting. Number one, the house is located, we'll call it looking in plan view on the left side of the lot. That house can remain without any demolition. It seemed to me that that was deliberately placed in that fashion with the anticipation
potentially of another home. They didn't put the house in the middle of the lot. They put it all the way to the left. This lot is um not the widest lot per se because some lots are are turned, but it's essentially the widest lot in the
area and and that's a distinguishing characteristic and how it presents itself um in the neighborhood. What I did find um compelling is is and I think Mr. chairman talked about the some of the sizes of the lots and what's appropriate here which we'll we'll talk
about um is that this application has a non-conforming sideyard setback on the left side of the property. It's under five feet. It's my notes. 4 point something feet. That's not changing. The front yard does not comply because it's
at the front of my notes here. Excuse me. It's less than 25 ft. 11.5 ft. But otherwise what the applicant is proposing is that all the setbacks the sideyards uh because the the combined sideyard like for the for
example for the existing home the sideyard in the other side comes to about 19.6 ft and then all the other yards front rear height and the like are all in compliance. some of the F um standards that are creating or raising
it have to do with the basement because that basement is counted as F as a planner. That's not creating mass in the neighborhood or or making it feel oversized or or out of place, but it's regulated uh under your ordinance.
um to talk about the lot area in density. I'm showing 23 lots on Third Street between Center Street and in Hamilton Street and the average lot area for the block. And because I didn't use the GIS, I actually, you know, averaged
it and calculated it like very close because there's different lot lines. Like if there was a lot line that was 110 and one was 120 on side lot lines, I would average that and then do the calculation that way. So it's it's it's without survey data, it's very close to
being um exact. So for the average lot area for the block, it's it's 5,625 square ft. Um 18 out of the 23 properties are under the 6,000 square foot minimum for the block.
But I also think it's important to to look at this block from a from a density perspective. Uh, as you see in the exhibit, the the the homes shadowed in in yellow u are single family and then in orange are two family homes. So there's one, two, three, four, five, six
two family homes on this block as well. So if you look at the block from uh based on the density or the number of units to lot size, the average square foot for the block comes down to 4,461
square feet. And that relates to a density of 9.76 units per acre for this block. And then the applicant is proposing 10.25 units per acre on the one lot and 10.79
units per acre where 5.26 units per acre exist today. So we're slightly more dense. the lots are slightly smaller than on average, but it's it's within the realm of of the block and it's not a
substantial change. Um, overall, um, when you look at the block, a couple characteristics, and I'm going to talk about this when I talk about the the sideyards is that you can see on the southern side of the street, there's there's many of those lots, the narrow
ones that are that are 33.3 feet in width. Um, some of those are 26 feet or so with with two family homes on them. Um, like block 57, lot 17, that's 26 feet wide with a two family home. Um,
5718 is 26 feet wide with a two family home as well. So, some of the lots like lots 19 through 26 or so, they're about 170 feet deep. So that's increasing the lot
size for the block, but if anyone's driven down the the block, you don't see those rear yards and how you feel and how this block presents itself, it's really from those lot widths along the frontage. And I hope the board takes that into consideration uh when they
evaluate uh this property or this uh application. Um, regarding the the four area ratio, uh, again the the prevailing characteristic here to me was that um, how does this building have the ability
to accommodate the problems with the increased floor area and and and and in both buildings is that it meets all the setback requirements for the zone. So when you look at the zone, the zone is based upon standards for a lot that's
6,000 square feet. And despite the fact that these lots are undersized in the 4,200 square foot range for one, we still meet all those setback requirements. So in terms of a bulk perspective, these homes won't look too
close to their neighbors or uh in my opinion at a scale with the neighborhood. I tried to compare um the size of the homes to the neighborhood and I got various data. I believe that when we present the information for the
application, you heard from uh Mr. Styers of of 2200 square feet, that's counting basement space. And when you look in the tax cards, um um it's not counting basement space. And I'm not sure it's how entirely accurate
it is, but at least for the block, the tax cards are identifying square footages of the what I believe to be the upper portions of the building, ranging from three of them with 1964 square feet to a low of
10,08 square feet. Um, so, um, the the homes will not be it's a narrow home. It's not going to feel, in my opinion, overly large and it's not going to be bigger
than u what's out there. The fact that it meets all the setback requirements and I'm going to talk about that. Let me talk about that in a second as well. Um, for the lot width, um, the average lot frontage for the
block is is 42 feet. Uh, in this regard, I counted the corner properties with a narrower width because that's typically how homes are built on the narrower the frontage is usually on the the narrower portion uh of the lot.
U if you take the total linear feet of the block because there's there's one family homes and two family homes. If you look at it almost like kind of considering density, that's a home for every 33.3 feet. Um the minimum lot
width here is is 50 feet for the district. 13 out of the 23 properties have lot widths that are under uh the 50 feet and 13 of those properties have lot widths that are under 35 ft. And there's
lot widths as narrow as 26 feet um on the block. And again, it's my opinion as a planner. It's that that that width and how that width corresponds to the block that sets the tone of the character of the neighborhood. um an 82 what we 82.5
foot wide lot here is is significantly larger than the average of the block here and it's somewhat out of place in this context um in my opinion for the front yard again uh we would meet the front yard on the new home the existing home is
existing u nonconforming uh when you look at the sideyard setbacks um the the code requires 8 feet for one side 20 ft combined. So when you look at that from a proportional standpoint, that means on the smallest
lot that's permitted, 50 foot wide lot, your zone plan anticipates that 40% of that lot would be as open space. Um again, the existing non-conforming sideyard setback is 14.6 feet. So that's combined with a 15t sideyard setback on
the opposite side to be just shy at 19.6 feet. That 19 6 ft represents sideyards of of 46.9% of that lot width. So, it's not going to feel tight. Um uh and and again, there's there's many
lots on this on this block that are 33 feet wide where those homes are are very close to the lot lines. I don't have survey data. If you drive there, um you can see it on the aerials. Um the aerials because this is prepared in the GIS and this is county information and
the like. I probably should introduce this how I prepared it and the like. Um, it shows houses going over property lines because it's it's not survey accurate. If you have prepared your own materials, I think you should submit them as
evidence. Yes. Um, this was the the exhibit is entitled aerial zoning and land use. Uh, and it's prepared in a geographic information system. So the aerial it's all to to scale scalees in the the bottom right of the of the sheet. North
is essentially straight up. Um the tax map information is provided through uh New Jersey Gin. Um that's um an aerial u excuse me it's a online service that provides this information. Um I do show that the the the boundary line with your
R3 zone from uh zoning information that I received from your county verified to to be accurate. But this whole area is essentially in the southern part of the town that's in one of your uh established uh R2 districts. The aerial the most recent aerial photography I I
label for for this type of GIS system is 2020. I believe the board can take judicial notice of that information. Thank you. Um so as a planner I think it's also important to also for the board to
considerate to consider need uh today. Um I'm a planner in town uh in in many towns and I know and and supported by information that's provided by New Jersey Future which is a think tank that there are a million units of of short of
housing and that is they say is proportionally worse uh in New Jersey and the fact that when mortgage rates were were very low a few years back and they've since shot up and remained up many people thought that housing prices will drop because of the increased cost
of housing and that has not occurred. Why is that not occurred? Because of the demand and need for housing today. So, as a planner, I think it's important to recognize that this type of housing is needed. Um, and today a lot of the focus is on affordable housing. Um, in places
like Somerville, a lot of the emphasis historically is housing around the train, affordable housing. But this is still in my opinion a smallcale in today's standards single family home that would provide a type of housing that is in need and I believe is a form
of of workforce housing and it's it would be a new structure on a block that I think would benefit from it. So some of the benefits from just the development you know you heard from the architect we have a tastefully designed home um that we believe would fit into
the area nicely. again that reinvestment into the neighborhood. Um, and what I like to see when I was out there that the applicant was seemed to me completely uh rehabilitating the existing home and and bringing that home
up the code in standards uh as well. So, both homes will be nice new improvements which I believe that the the neighborhood will benefit from that and that can only be good for property values in my opinion even that I'm not appraiser uh as well. Uh and for these reasons, I believe this application
advances several purposes of the municipal land use law. Uh it promotes the general welfare through sound land use planning. Purpose G, it provides sufficient space for the needs of New Jersey citizens that that needed housing and those visual improvements I think
are dramatic that will promote a desirable visual environment. Um, pretty much for the reasons I already mentioned, I believe that the variances can be granted without a substantial detriment to the public good in the zone plan. Um, these homes are are not going
to be placed any closer than what's required for a larger lot to to the neighbors. Um, I believe that the homes are are in scale with the neighborhood. Um, so no new non-conformities are are proposed there.
Um, I believe that's in keeping with the rhythm and platting of of the block. Overall, I personally as a planner believe that having lot sizes that are more similar commensurate with the area. I believe that sound land use planning because it encourages homes that would
be more consistent with the area over time rather than having an oversized large lot or something that can be built that just feels out of character. because generally speaking, if if the lot's bigger, you know, and someone can build more there, often a developer will take
advantage of that. And I think that would be a detriment to this neighborhood rather than a benefit. And having lots more in character with the area would be a benefit. And while I said some of them are it's slightly undersized overall, it's overall more conforming. And for all these reasons, I
believe this this application results in sound land use plan. Thank you, Paul. Thank you. Anyone have any questions of Mr. Ricky? Anybody from the board have any questions? If um
if that basement is used as a a bedroom, for example, and it does become a fourbedroom, and I know we can't control any of that. If it does become a fourbedroom, what does that do to all your analysis about
the density of the development and all of a sudden there's maybe a car on the street instead of just two cars fitting in the driveway? All of a sudden there's more people around. What does that how does that change all that? Okay, let me just clarify. I believe we're a twobedroom home today, right? It
is three. Okay. Okay. Uh if it was a if it was a fourth bedroom, that would require an additional half parking space. Um but by a matter of of law um because there's no egress being proposed to that outside that cannot be
considered uh a bedroom. I looked at the area. I don't know how many bedrooms are each home. That's a difficult number to evaluate. That's why I looked at it by uh units. But um for for me um
um I'm concerned more about like the mass of a structure and how it represents itself in the neighborhood. And I thought because the basement was being counted that was kind of artificially raising that square footage and making it the variances seem worse
than they truly are. I think most people utilize their basement whether it's finished or not in in in in some manner and that's not changing how that building appears from the street. Um I I think this is a one family home. I don't
think each family is different and I think often um a home of this size is not one that's going to encourage a very large family. Uh I represent a community where um it's often where they're they tell me that
they have 13 children and they're trying to build very large homes on very small lots for that for this for that reason because they have 13 children. This is not that type of application or context that I believe. Nick Cannon or Elon Musk.
I've got a question. Might not be for you. Might be for the architect or the engineer, but there appears to be a lot of concerns about the basement usage. Would it be advisable to put just a I'm not talking about a residential sprinkler system, not a
not a fancy one, just off the domestic? I can't answer that question. I I didn't think you could, but I figure I'd start somewhere. Well, it's going to be sold. They're building out spec. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. But if you a lot of concern about what nobody able to get
out of the basement, no wind is tie something off to the domestic system. It's just a plumbing issue. It's not a not a big deal. There's no downside to it. Well, yeah, Rich, that goes back. There's there's a proposed finished basement on the existing house, which is
not Paul, it's not you. I was hoping, Mike, that you have the drawings or who's going to is Sahage going to talk about what's going on with the existing house? If Yeah, come on up. I'm going to swear in. Thanks.
Can the drawings be put up? Do we not have the drawings? No, we didn't bring a copy of the drawing. All right. Just for the board, there's a finished It's shown on the plans I reviewed as an optional finished basement with a full bath and the playroom and a washer and dryer area.
Very similar to the proposed house, but it's shown as optional. And the construction permit issued for it was a finished storage space. I ran that down. He I think he has two construction permits for the existing dwelling. One's
for the addition, correct? And the other one's for finish. Let me swear in. Uh, do you swear the testimony you're about to give in this matter will be the truth? So, help you guide. Yes, I do. Please state your name and spell your last name for the record.
Saj Patel. Last name P A D E L. Thank you very much, Mr. Granic, your witness. Sah, could you just walk through um when did you purchase this property and and what are you doing for the rehabilitation on the existing unit?
We purchased the property in mid uh 2023 and we created a new floor plan where the first floor was an open concept with a living room, dining room, and kitchen along with the powder room. The second floor consists of three bedrooms with
two full bathrooms, one being a master bathroom and one being a a tub bathroom for the hallway. The basement has a full bathroom as well as a laundry room and a little rec wreck room which cannot in my
opinion even be used as a bedroom because it's it's kind of like a hallway because of the size of the basement. It's not a very large basement. Um even getting a couch down there would be very hard. So I don't see that basement being used for anything other than the laundry
room that's down there and maybe um some gym equipment. Right. Sahage the ceiling height was shown as six 6 feet 3 in. Right. Right. It is very it is very low. So it's a very low ceiling height. The existing the um the duck work is actually exposed
still because it's so high. It's so low. If we were to if we were to frame around the duck work we would be very very low. So, um, a lot of the ceiling is unfinished. Um, but the walls have been finished and it is for storage and as a laundry room.
Is this the house that's currently being renovated? Correct. Okay. I just want to make sure we're not we're talking about Yes. Okay. Thank you. There's a different architect that did the plans for the renovation. Yes. That's Robert Hernandez.
Robert Hernandez. Right. Right. Just so that you don't have the board. I have a question. Small house. You have two bedrooms up on the second, two bathrooms, full bathrooms on the second floor. Correct. Three bedrooms. Correct. And now you have a full
bathroom in the basement that's so small, so skinny, so low that there's a small concept. So, the concept is if you have some gym equipment and you're working out down there and you want to shower, you could shower. Or if you have a dog and you want to give the dog a bath,
it's a it's a large hand shower where the dog could go in and you can wash your pet, dog, cat, whatever it may be. And it's also close to the laundry room. And so, when you're doing laundry, you might need to go to the bathroom to wash your hands and X, Y, and Z. And you might use the bathroom. It's just an
added it's an added um feature to the home. I second rest to get into the basement. No. And so, so you're saying the home that you're currently renovating, and I I I went by it. It's It's looking good. So, I
appreciate the the work there. Um, that basement, the ceiling height is pretty low. Six feet. Correct. Three inches. The basement in the new home that's being proposed is 8 feet 4 inches. Is that correct? I believe so.
Yeah. Yes. I would just like to embarrass Can you turn your microphone on, please? Oh, I'm I'm sorry. I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I will. I watch House Hunters and I've got to tell you, the
bathtub in the basement is very soughta. Even though this is a three-bedroom house, it would not be uncommon for a couple to purchase it because they each want their own office. I think this is a great design. I think it would be beneficial to the neighborhood. I think
we cannot I understand the concerns about the basement, but I don't think it's fair to project what could happen in that basement because we have no idea. I mean, you
know, somebody could put three kids in one bedroom for goodness sakes. So, I I think we're focusing on the BA basement. I understand the concerns, but this is not uncommon among among pe
among real estate and it's not and it's valuable. Many people find that valuable, especially if somebody's got a big dog and they want to and you have a great gain and you have to wash it. The basement bathtub is great. I don't have a big dog, but you know, somebody who
does, they'd love that. So, washing any dog is a challenge. Yeah, any dog is a challenge, but and I think that the point about the gym, I think that that's that's an excellent point. I think we're focusing a little too much on the basement. Um,
and maybe we got to try to move beyond it. Just my thoughts. If we're talking thoughts, I suspect if you try to move a family or a new buyer try to move a family into the basement, there might be a phone call made pretty quickly. Oh, I know there might be. So,
you and if it were ever to be a rental 15 years from now, it's inspected. Yeah. And it would be flagged by your I I can guarantee you it would be flagged by Somerville. That's the problem that I have with it possibly becoming a rental.
Yeah. I've known that I walk that neighborhood all the time and Mr. Patel and I have spoken. Um the pro the house that he's working on Mrs. Vanderort's house.
Somebody came to us six, seven years ago to renovate that piece of property. Unfortunately, the gentleman passed away. His son did not want to continue it and sold the property and Mr. Patel has been working on it and he's taken
some of the things that we approved and other things that we had approved he's not going to do part of the expansion. My problem is rentals. This is one of the most
e eclectic um neighborhoods in town. Old. I live right around the corner. My house is 121 years old and the house next to me is 123 years old and the one next to that 125 years old. Seemed like they built that style every two years.
It's changing and some of it's not for the better because at one time most of those homes even the two families were owner occupied and now we have a lot of absentee landlords. I've known Mr. Patel
know his father and he's not that kind of landlord. He's a good landlord. He's got another property going on down at the other end of Third Street that he's been working on. been a vast improvement and his father had a good reputation as a good good landlord in town. My problem
is density. I know that there were a lot of small lots. We have lots on on that block there like 50 by 50 with a 2 and a half story frame colonial maybe 1,100 square ft.
I'm concerned that what's going on in the neighborhood is changing that from an R2 to possibly somebody looking at and say, you know, we've got a lot of um a lot of rentals, a lot of houses that
uh um could be and we changed end up changing it to an R3 zone as we did with Fair View Avenue. Now look what's happened. Uh I'm very concerned about that. I'm
very concerned that we are going to take a piece of property that's conforming and make two lots that are not conforming and allowing it to we're going to proliferate small uh small lots.
You Mr. Ricky's analysis of some of the houses being they're averaging 33 uh feet in width. We have another area in town like that. We need to take a look. We're going to be taking a look at that.
I don't know. I I I don't know. Are we in the discussions phase? Are we still We're going to be ranting. Old people do that. I hadn't noticed. Well, it there was a a wise young realtor once told me and a couple
middle-aged realtors once told me that this is this area is the most desirable area in town right now, the hottest properties in town because a lot of the houses um just as the one that you're
working on, the the widows could uh could continue to pay for the house, so they couldn't maintain it. And a lot of the houses have been s sold for under $200,000. Somebody comes in and puts a couple
couple thousand in it and sold. Mrs. um Mrs. Miller's house went for 158, sold it for 3.99. Mrs. Jackson's house was 150,000, sold for 330. Uh Mrs. uh
McCauley's house was 37. 378. So the properties are as one of realtors told me Sue. Uh there it's being gentrified. Um that's the term of the day. Um I
think it's an improvement, but I'm not sure if we continue to put houses that are small or larger on small lots is going to be an improvement. That's my rant. Do we continue to rant or are we still
only questioning? No question. The applicant is still presenting his case. Um, yeah. I mean, I have no further questions for Mr. Patel. I'm very passionate about the neighborhood. Yeah. I mean, to your I I would just emphasize two things and maybe I'll wait to my summation to do that.
Authors, if the board is is finished questioning Mr. Patel, Mr. Patel should be uh submit you know subject to questioning by members of the interested public. Anyone from the audience have any questions of Mr. Patel?
Just questions of the testimony Mr. Patel has just given. There'll be a time for comments. None. Hearing none. Okay. Mr. Patel, when do you anticipate uh
finishing the other house? A couple of weeks. Uh three to four weeks. Yeah. So, actually uh this is Tatisha Towns uh 7530. So, that was actually one of my questions was when do you plan on um finishing the house and are you
selling reselling the house? Yes. Okay. And Okay. Thank you. So, you have two projects going on on Third Street right now, right? The other one has been completed. We've we have a CO for 43rd. Okay.
I'm glad to see the investment. Okay. Mr. Patel, anybody else have any questions? Okay. Um, real quick, um, I think to everyone's point, you know, we're we're seeing I I can tell you from
my perspective, we're seeing a lot more interest in the south side of Somerville. Um, we're we're looking at some of the better values, but uh, these properties need substantial investment. um as 43rd as we can see from the improvements from the other property. I
think that the infill development uh is is a good decision because it promotes sufficient land uses uh with the existing infrastructure. Um I also think that you know if the you heard from our architect that the you
know if we take out the square footage for the wreck room it's a 1579 foot uh house which is square in line with the other uh with the other properties on that block. Uh and and I think you you
heard from Mr. Ricky with a a very detailed analysis on lot size and lot width and and how we we conform we conform to the uses uh we conform to the widths uh and really the lot area um is
because of historic skinny narrow lots. So I agree with Mr. Ricky that from from the street facads this will be consistent but I think the most important thing you know element to consider that our planner went into is really in an investment. Uh and if you
look at the aerial it to me it looks like you know uh it it a new home there of this quality of hardy plank and good modern design and uh I think it would fit really well and I also think it would benefit the all the neighbors on the street. Uh this would be probably a
very good comp uh for the town uh and be very good for people that may wish to sell their homes in the future uh in the south side of Somerville. So with that, I ask that this application be approved uh with all the conditions uh enumerated
by the board and Mr. Cole. Um and we look forward to continue to look at more infill um development, which is really the direction that we've seen. Um, in the last, you know, two years, we're we're really looking at
acquiring lots and doing smaller developments. We see a lot of the larger lots have been taken up. Uh, so I think this makes this sort of follows some of the trends that we're seeing from a market demand perspective. And of course, uh, I I I don't, you know, I
don't think putting new construction uh in an area is is really gentrification. And I think it's an improvement. Um, and I think that whoever would move in there would respect um, the conditions outlined with respect to the limitations
on the basement uh, and any other, you know, limitations that the board would would have would impose. Thank you, Mr. Okay. Anyone from the audience have any comments about the application? You just come forward, state your name
and address. Comments. Comments. Uh, Michael Town, 753rd Street. Um, I first I want to apologize if I'm not doing this correctly because I'm not familiar with That's okay. But I agree. Um, for the since I've lived on Third Street, that house has
been empty and we have trouble with parking now. Now you're going to put in two houses with driveway, garage, whatever. you're still gonna have more people parking there because across the street is all two family houses, shared driveways. It's all parking on the street and Third Street only has one side of the street parking.
I'm not opposed to fixing the house. I think he did a great job. I'm opposed to the second house. It doesn't seem like I said before, I would love a mother daughter house, but once you start building second houses, dividing lots, to me, it's a money grab. He's not he's
a developer because he's going to build the houses and sell them. We're arguing about basements and I agree it's not a big deal, but once you sell it, seeing the other houses, seeing the rentals, that's what they're doing over there. They're they're renting it out and that's what's
going to happen. So, I just ask and that y'all take in consideration because I don't know if it's in in stone yet because he has a lot of people here with him, but Fairview is packed. I don't want Third Street to be like that. because it's already changing.
People are selling their houses. Uh 63 sold for 600,000. I don't know how that happened. Wish I would look into that. You got 600,000 for the 63. On the market right now. It hasn't been It hasn't been under contract. It's on the market. It's It's being It's going for a four
It's a four bedroomedroom and uh one of the bedrooms is a dining room. So, I don't know what's going on there. I wish I would look into that. But that is my gripe. I I I want him to fix the house. It's beautiful. But there's nothing wrong with having a house with a big lot. But once you want to divide it and make a second house,
the parking is bad already. It's going to start looking like Fairview. And you see how tight it is over there. Now, if we put a mother or daughter, um, that would also increase the amount of people that live in the home because now you have a mother daughter members. They would be family members,
right? But it would still increase the same amount of cars. And the argument of the parking is still you're talking about redoing a house, selling it, making a divine a lot, selling two house. You got two separate families with multiple levels. It won't be mother daughter. It it'll be
something totally different. But that's just my opinion. This man, he's trying to make his money. That's on him. But that's what I think will happen. Thank you for your time. Anyone else from the audience have any comments on the application?
Will someone from the board make a um make a motion to um close the public portion of this application? Move in second. All in favor? Opposed. Board. What's your pleasure? Well, I'll start. I generally I understand the problems of
parking. As you know, my neighborhood has changed over the years and we have similar type situations. But having said that, we do need housing. I mean, there's no question about that. Infill housing is probably one of the few ways left in this town to
build housing here. Although major properties, as far as I know, are gone unless you start tearing things down. And I prefer not to see that. This particular building, the new one, looks like a house to me. I mean, anybody can buy a house and rent it to
anybody. I mean, that's just how it is. Or you could own it for a while, move out and rent it. We can't control that. It is a house. Basement doesn't concern me so much because as a kid, I played my electric train sets all winter in the basement. I lived in the basement. I can see how
that could happen. Still have mine. Yeah. See what I mean? So, did I would I like to see a minor residential sprinkler system tied to the domestic? Sure. Can we make them do that? I don't think so. Right. Yeah. But if they want
to do it, we won't stop them. But it's it's a basement. It's a recreation area. I grew up in the south end of town on the southwest end of town and we had several Italian families and they all had basement bathrooms. I mean, everybody was down there. I mean, that's just how it was. It was an ethnic
neighborhood and that's what was there. So, it doesn't sound so different to me. All in all, I think it's a good project. Correct me, Mike, if I'm wrong, but I think we're going to lessen the water damage flowing off the property because the house itself will be impervious. If
it's designed right, the roof and the gutter system will catch the water that's now flowing on the grass and directed to the street. So, in my little Irish way of thinking, I think we're putting less water off the property, more into the street. Yeah, that's the testimony from uh Dave
Sty is that we're going to do the roof leaders for both dwellings to the street. So the off the runoff will be less if the flow is from west to east onto the joining property. Right? That's how I understood it. Finally, I'm right after all these years. But but so we're going to correct
that problem hopefully as far as somebody living in the basement. They won't be there for 45 minutes before the phone's going to ring in Burough Hall. I mean, that's a given. So that I think is controllable. And I don't think as a board we can sit here and tell somebody they can't be in the basement or they
can't do this. I don't I don't think we I don't think that's within our purview. It's a house and if they want to have the kids sleeping over down there on a weekend, which my daughter did for years all through high school, you let it happen. That's what a house is for. Will
it generate more cars? Yeah. I live up West Cliff Street. Do we have more cars than that when I moved there? Absolutely. We just had to learn it. Less horses. Well, there are fewer horses. Yeah. But and I do remember them. So So do I. Yeah. But
I'll shut up and just say I'm in favor of this thing. I don't I don't see a real downsize outside of change in the neighborhood still. Yeah. Um I I like the application because it simply it promotes housing.
And listen, I remember when Somerville, we didn't have these problems, you know, 20 years ago, you know, but people want to be here. Um we have a lot of development here. Um and I wanted to piggy back off what Robera said in
regards to the basement. Um, we can't put on this applicant what we think might happen. What he is testifying to us today is what we're going to have to accept. Um, however, um, some of the concerns that we do have
with basements, like mold, moisture, um, sanitary sewer back up into the basement, um, is it going to be waterproofed? you know, maybe the window wells need to be deep birthed for egress so that in the event that somebody's uh
children is sleeping down there, can they get out? You know, and those are the things that as a board I believe that we can address to make sure that we put these appropriate provisions in place to make sure that when this is being constructed that it happens. But beyond that, you know, um I I don't I
don't see why we need to continue to beat up an applicant about a basement, certainly when he intends to sell the property. Um and that's where I stand. I I look, you know, it's um is a street that certainly um would love the
redevelopment. It maybe encourages the homeowners on that street to spruce it up a bit. Um and you know what? I'm in favor for it, you know, and and that's that's my position. Eric,
yeah. Uh, similar to to Rich and Stew, um, the big thing for me was really, uh, looking at the lot and looking at the lots across the street and seeing that the frontage is, you know, almost triple
of the the lots across the street. It made good it it seems like good planning to me to put a a good structure in place there for additional housing. Um, and I think it is it's not a an excessive
house. Uh, it's a it seems like it will be a very nice house and I think it will fit in with the character of the neighborhood. Um, and for those reasons, I believe that we should approve it. Ryan
Yeah, I uh detached single family, you know, that's thumbs up for me, you know, it's like because that that brings from in my experience that brings in families that
want to invest in that neighborhood instead of just another multifamily where it's people are turned, you know. So to have a single family detached homes, families buy those. Now, yeah, they
might be rented or whatever, but the majority of single family homes are owned by families. So that to me is someone who's going to invest their time in that neighborhood, not rent it just to go to the next. They're going to stay
there. They're going to live there. So, and like you were saying, you their properties across the street. I mean, they're so and I understand what the chairman said about
but I live on a a lot like that. My lot's about 20 feet wide, you know, and I you know, I have no problem with it. So, yes, there's more cars. What are we going to do? I you know, I don't know. Um I'm just I'm happy about
that. It's detached single family homes for a change which I think brings in families. So that's that's what I think. Well, I have to agree with the gentlemen that have spoken before me. Um this
reminds me very much of the prop of the house we just approved on South Gaston. Um on South Gaston and um Fair View. It's a very small house, but it and it's going to be very compact, but it fits on the lot. The This one's going to be
owner occupied. Mr. Patel has a very good reputation with his other developments that are underway in town. And we're not Sears. We We don't know who's going to live there, how many kids, if any, they're going to have, how
many dogs they're going to have, how many cars they're going to have. We just know that this is intended to be owner occupied and I think that's a benefit to Somerville and it's a very nice looking house.
Anything else? You're done. Uh this is a no-brainer. Uh to kudos to Mr. Patel for wanting to put a significant amount of money into Third Street. Uh long time coming. Uh we
approved this what six years ago art the other the other building and it was an eyesore. It's been an eyes sore. It's nice to get rid of it and uh hopefully uh you're going to do very well with it. So I approve it. I love 99.5%
of this. Seriously, the the architecture, the facade is great. I I love I I rode down Third Street and Second and Fourth and I love seeing that neighborhood people putting time into that neighborhood include including yourself.
Um it's starting it's starting to uh starting to show. So I really appreciate everything that you're doing here and I love 99.5% of you know the point five what the 0.5% is. Um, and I just I've said my piece about my
concerns, but I I appreciate the wisdom of the other board members here. And um I think overall I think it's going to be a positive. Ed,
I like the house. It's um I'm not too worried about the basement. I think my wife wishes there was an extra bathroom downstairs to banish me, too. as you get older. So, I mean, as the codes are in place, it's going to be a co-co compliant house. I'm not too worried about the
rest of the stuff uh that some of the concerns have been raised. So, it's a it's a yes for me. As of 9:00 this morning, when I walked that neighborhood or walked down to take a look at it again, I was against I was
against u creating two small that are non-compliant. Looking at what Mr. Ricky had said about the the lots, I know every house on that neighborhood uh and there are most of them are small.
We can continue to proliferate that it is what it is. Mr. Ricky, um their testimony kind of convinced me it can work and knowing Mr. and what he
has done in the with other properties, what he and his father have done, uh they're good landlords. The problem with some of the homes in the neighborhood are not because of the landlord of the uh the owner occupied.
It's some of the landlords and some of the tenants. Uh some you have some good good landlords. You have some a couple bad landlords. You have a couple You have a lot of good tenants and a couple bad. It's a good neighborhood. Um,
I think this will work. You You convinced me where my position has always been, you're not going to be able to do this. You're not going to be able to put a house here and still have 20 ft of sideyard
4,000 foot lot. I'm in favor of it now. Thanks. First house built on Third Street since 2003. Wow. And the first new one on that entire
block since 2003. And there's another one being built on Hamilton Street right now. So, I'm happy with the capital investment. Really? when they're getting $600,000 for that house up the street. Oh yeah.
Oh man, they be looking. Any other comments? Someone like to move the application? I'll move it. Second. Michael, you have anything?
Uh only clarification on the architect's testimony about this windows on the What is the board's feeling on that? Is the windows as depicted adequate? I I like windows. Well, that's Yeah, I'm just looking for direction on whether
the architect had said we could put more windows in. I'm just feel the board like to see more windows on those two. Yeah, I think it opens it up in some bathroom and the stairs. You think, Mike? Well, I can work it out. I'm sure the architect has some ideas that let him
drive the ship so he can say what's most appropriate for additional windows to break up the massing. The board's looking for some more windows. I'll leave it to his discretion how many windows and where. I'm sure. Sure. Should we do that as a condition? Yeah. Okay. Very good.
Anything else? Cliff, you have anything? Uh the only thing I had was Michael and I were just discussing it. uh compliance with his report of course um anything in connection with storm water management?
No. Uh the test well just that the testimony from Dave Styres was that they're going to get the runoff to the street and the post runoff from each match the runoff from existing conditions. So the pre and post will match and the roof
leers from both structures are going to the street. Okay. Is that correct Dave? Yes. on the strength of Mr. Styer's testimony, I I'll craft a condition along those lines. Uh beyond that compliance with your report and uh compliance with our standard conditions
of approval, Mr. O'Reic, you're familiar with those, I presume they're not a problem. No problem. It's been moved and seconded. We've got the input from Mike and Cliff. Roll call, please. Chairman Dair, yes. Ed Alllet, yes.
Robera Carpinets, yes. Yes. Morgan McGlaughlin, yes. Rich O'Neal, yes. Brian Vadimsky, yes. John Flores, yes. Eric Alvarez, yes. And Steuart Daniels, yes. Thank you very much. Good luck. Thank you. Michael, I'll coordinate the preparation
of resolution with your office. Uh, I would think it would probably be November, but we'll see. You know, we'll see. Okay. Ryan, what do you have for us next? I think we have a second meeting this month, did we not? Yeah. Okay.
Uh 281 East Main was supposed to be heard tonight but is being postponed because they did not drop off their revised plans within 10 days prior to tonight's hearing date. Right. Um so we have the option of carrying them to October 15th with the 69 West
End application or carrying them to November 19th, I believe it is, which is the third Wednesday in November and our only meeting that month. Did he get the information to us? Is it in the office yet? Uh, it is in the office, but it was dropped off on Tuesday, which is less than 10 days.
Well, so the Well, just clarify, there's a storm water report that was done, but the site plan about the main street. This is I'm referring to 81. Uh, Ed, your comment was what whether the needed information was provided.
That's a very good comment to start with. The information was provided uh in a separate stormwater report. However, it's not shown on the drawings that showed the catch basins in the parking lot. It's not. The question is I I
thought we left the last testimony that we're going to show exactly what the proposed renovations facade's going to be, the addition, the roof. We're going to show the piping on the catches basin, the proposed layout, and the storm water management leaving the site. The
drawings uh that were submitted do not show the catch basins in the runoff. They are talked about in a separate report. So, Ed, it begs the question, uh do does the
board want to see the catch basins and the the existing storm water on the report that shows the parking lot? Right now it doesn't show that has the discretion to ask for that information. Mike, does anybody know where that water
goes? It's got to go west. It it goes to the west to the catch basin on eastern is it eastern park Eastern states. Is that what the Is that the sty street right there? Yeah. Yeah, it goes to the catch basin there. So there's a pipe underground or is it
pipe? There's a 12 inch reinforced concrete pipe. that catches the runoff from the property and the joining properties and it goes to the west to that catch base. Does anybody look? I I met the applicant on site there.
They uh employed Steve Parker to do the survey. Uh it's just I think for time constraints the it's not it's a plot plan. It's a site plan. It's a drawing. The drawing doesn't even show the catch basins. drawing the board we saw originally had
the two catch basins and the catch basin and the question is where's the piping what's going on here who owns the piping that I don't know because I haven't it's not on the drawing showing the property line Rich uh there is a report done by Parker that
was submitted as Ryan said that talks about storm water management but it's not shown on the drawings that that have the parking lot is there an easement for that pipe going waste. I can't have any comment. I haven't reviewed it. Okay. The question back to Ed's comment is
does the board want to see the catch facing and piping with the proposed parking lot all in one drawing right now. That's not the case. That's how I pretty much what you asked. I you I thought the charge was you wanted to see everything
the layout grading catch basing typing addition all one set of documents so the public and the board had the benefit of looking at one set of and it's not unusual to ask for that information or is it excessive but this may take us into
the whole whose pipe is it who maintains I right I just can't I how they did it is the plan was revised to show everything but the storm water and the grading that was submitted on the Friday which is 10 days. Yeah. And that the storm water management was
not addressed until the following Wednesday in a separate document. So does the burrow have an obligation to take a look in that pipe that comes to our catch basin. I have talked to DPW about whether they have ownership whose pipe it is.
They don't know. And that's exactly right. figure that uh but I have not deal as the board knows if it's going to be heard the report goes out a week before it was within 10 days I did not prepare the report so I
don't have specific details rich of course I have to answer this is is the pipe on the on the applicant's property who's maintained the pipe if it's not the burrow be full of dirt right is the property offsite so the applicant doesn't have to the questions
you're asking are basic in my opinion basic questions that that's all I'm good at is basic they're fundamental yeah fundamental material fundamental that who's is it adequate piping but I'm just thinking we're going to have a meeting they're going to sit here we
I would look we just push it to the 19th right but I I agree art but I'm saying I agree with uh Morgan that it all should be shown in one plan so see the orientation of everything we But if the pipe isn't flush, they'll have time to uh to get all
I understand your point. Okay. I understand and I will certainly address rich your comments about maintenance. Is it on the property? Is it offsite? Is there an easement? What's the flow? I agree.
Yeah. Okay. Because we have a meeting with sit here and so you fix the part, you fix everything, but the pipe doesn't work. I got it. You're saying this is wonderful. We All right. Go away. The question I I think Ryan and I guess Mike's here too is the question of
timing. Uh does the board want both applications in one hearing or separate them? Yeah, I mean it's up to the board. Just if you could for the benefit of my client give me an email to Mr. Parker detailing exactly what you want or what
you think the board wants with respect to the additional catch basin layout, grading, piping. I can certainly of the Yeah. Yeah. Just so everybody's I had talked to your applicant uh that's a fair request last night and I said I would bring this
up to make sure it was clear what's being asked so that we we address this issue for communication. I agree Mike. Yeah. Just so I 100%. So if we go with the November meeting that'll give them enough time to um to get that information.
Yes. Is is your other application on for this month? The west end. Another one on for next month or for next two weeks. The 15th. That's correct. So, our next meeting will be the 69 West End application. So, Mike, since you're here, is there going to be any submitts for that or
we're going to go with the report? Was it was prepared and there was some questions in the report. I just didn't know if they're going to be addressed prior to the hearing or I will talk to the site team. I'll talk to the professionals. There's some challenging things
regarding accessibility to the first floor units that Okay. Okay. Yeah. I just don't know what the fault is. All right. I'll I'll follow up with you offline. And you said 19th for the for the other one.
In two weeks there'll be another meeting and then the 19th is November. Yes. Correct. There's one meeting in November and one in December, right, Ryan? Correct. And one in January. All right. Go up.
Thank you. Anything else, Ryan? Uh there will be a presentation at Monday's council meeting um offering some insight as far as economic insight for the future. Uh this is kind of
following up the planning board's uh re-examination of the master plan. So the whole board is invited and encouraged to attend. Hopefully if you're available, you'll be there. Uh if not, it's available for recording or you can tune in live from uh from your house. And then the last thing would be 85 87
Fairview Avenue. Yeah, there's an application that's coming from this board. They're asking for a waiver for preparing the drawings. Yes, I that's essentially what Ryan said to them in email that
they're not proposing any site additions and they're saying because we're not proposing improvements, they don't want to do the drawing. Is that a correct characterization? Correct. So, I understand the property's owned by a realtor um or their LLC or
the realtor company um and they have somebody who wants to come in and do the development um but they're afraid of putting on any money to the project until they know that the use of a two family is approved. It's currently or it was approved to be a group home. Uh that
use was abandoned. Um, and although two family homes are permitted, uh, they need to seek relief for a sideyard setback, right? Uh, it needs to be minimum 10. They have nine right now. So, they'd come before the board for, uh, the approval for the change of use, regardless of the
sideyard setback. Um, and then who's ever going to be doing all the work to actually convert it back to a two family, uh, they'd come again at a future date to propose all those changes. So, they want to bifurcate it. Correct. Yes. Wow.
Kind of um the most information that I have um from the from the applicant um is through email and it's basically saying that the company or individual who's interested in doing the work doesn't want to put up
any money until they know the use is approved. Um right. the the Ste the issue here is typically the drawings are done so it's memorialized it's signed so there's a record legal record right of what's going on and what the board
approved now without that I don't know how the board there's nothing to look at you're looking at I guess you're looking at writing a paragraph or they're going to describe what they're doing but there's no plot
plan yeah there's no correct basically it becomes a concept. No, I mean it challenging to do to do this uh because we had we discussed bifurcate before the last what we said oh Mr. Chair that was
like maybe 50 years ago something like that. It was a long time ago since I hear you turn the mic off. Sorry. Um I was just saying that it was a long time since we've bifrocated bifurcated right application. So why do
it now? And the buyer can certainly come in and apply if they have that much interest in doing what they want to do with the property. Why can't the buyer come in and be an applicant? They obvious obviously it's in my opinion not a heavy lift to show a location map the existing survey with
where where the relief is requested with the the checklist which is 200 foot list. It's not a heavy lift still, but they're asking for a waiver for the reasons Ryan said. So I the board doesn't have to bifrocate
if the board believes that it needs to make needs a believes that it needs a site plan in order to approve the application. The board can request or insist on the information. I understand that the buyer or the person involved
doesn't want to put the money up, but you know that's generally isn't I mean again I it's up to the board but it's important to understand you do have a certain amount of discretion in this and uh approving a approving a material variance
which is what this is without a site plan may not be what the board wants to do. The board may want to see both. Well, the issue in this is it's a plot plan. It's not a site plan. So, I'm not even sure you could bifurcate. Well, that's correct, too. One in two families. So, you're not dealing with a site plan. It would be a
plot plan unless No, you're correct. And a plot plan is not what we understand legally to be a site plan. Right. So, I think that's a no in the waiver. No, I get it. I get it. I I look, as the board knows, if applicants can certainly
ask for waivers of the basic checklist, right? And any of these waivers I bring to the board for uh decision guidance. So, this is no different than what's been done in the past and uh that's why Ryan that's why it's been discussed.
I've also had this conversation with Art uh previously behind closed doors and communicated with the applicant that the board wouldn't be open to waving this. Um and they're still persisting that they think that the waiver should be provided. So, glad we were able to put
on the record so there's no disputing what the board wants to know. Sounds like they need Well, the board has the final discretion with that. The applicant can request it. But if the board has reasons not to grant a waiver, then it should it should not it should not grant it. But I mean that's again
that's a very much a discretionary issue. I think like I got the direction. I think Ryan has the direction. And switching gears, I I don't know if Art you want to go into executive for an update on certain matters. Just real briefly. Okay. One thing, um, I wasn't here for
the, uh, the last meeting. Um, before we got this and all of that, we used to have TV and what we could do if we missed it was get a copy of the the unedited disc and watch it and then
certify that we're familiar, we've watched it, and we're familiar with it, so we can vote on it. Does this still work with YouTube? You can watch the YouTube. I I I do believe Mike is doing uh one transcript
for everything for 281. Is that the plan? Yeah, I I haven't seen a transcript from the last meeting, but I thought you were I thought that one transcript for Is that is that not true? Oh, we should have it. Okay, then you can Yeah, I think he did. Okay, then you can certainly read the
transcript. If you read the transcript, you can certify and you can sign a certification and that's exactly the same thing. I want to get that on the record for a few. Okay.
Any other visits coming before the board? We are we going to do an executive session or anything like this? Someone like to move that we go into executive session. Okay. I'll move it. Move. Second. All in favor? Can everybody should mute their
microphones while we're gone, please? How do you become a board? Oh dear. Seriously, are all y'all from Somerville? Okay. All right. Whatever you want to do. Whatever you want to do. I just want to
make sure the 19th I mean 19th in the is in the middle of the y'all don't know what you got to do. Okay. My wife is looking to come up here.
Who? Who? Who's that? No. Who? What? You said our next door neighbor. Which one? Oh, Hassan. Really? Oh, hot. Oh, hot. The one that didn't show up. That's the most The one that's most
effective. The biggest applications laws, rules, What's going on? Hitting that pavement, huh? There it is. Keep it up. I
I know. I'm with you in spirit. Yeah. Yeah, right. You You just made me every time I see I was like, "Damn, I gotta get out of here. probably better to review. I don't know. Yeah.
I can't hear. Yeah. Enjoy your night. You're wasting no time to make a run for it. You had to pick the meeting and Mr. Mlan, please return to your seat. That's right. We need a quorum. Right,
Roberta? [Music] I like the Chrysler more than the SL. Okay. Someone make a motion to come out of executive session. Move. Second. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Someone like to move to adjourn. I'll move second.
Move a second. All in favor? I oppose. Carry.