Okay. The meeting will please come to order. Would you please turn off your cell phones or silence them? Adequate notice of this meeting as required by the open public meeting act has been that on January 18th, 2025, a copy of the notice
specifying the daytime and location was posted on the Bolton board outside of Burough Hall, given to the clerk administrator, mailed fact, or emailed to the courier news and posted on the burough website. If anybody believes that this meeting is being held in violation of the Open Public Meeting
Act, please state your views at this time. Hearing none. A reminder that these proceedings are judicial in nature. Only those items that the board is going to discuss that are on the agenda will be discussed.
Proper judicial decorum must and will be maintained. Roll call please. Chairman Adair here. Ed Alllet here. Robera Carpinets here. Morgan McGlaclin here. Rich O'Neal here. Brian Vadimsky here. John Flores here. Eric Alvarez here.
Steuart Daniels is excused. Okay. Um, we have a quorum. Next item. Pledge to the flag of the United States of America and to the stands one nation indivisible with liberty and
justice for all. Okay. Next item. Oh, Brian. Uh, we have the minutes from April 16th. Someone like to move them. Second. Move. Sec. Any uh discussion? Roll call, please. Chairman Adair. Here. Yeah. I'm sorry. Yes. Robera Carpinets?
Yes. Morgan McLaclin? Yes. Rich O'Neal? Yes. Brian Vadimsky? Yes. John Flores? Yes. Next item. Uh we have the resolution 25-0115-00001 establishing 2025 meeting procedure and meeting dates and January
meeting dates for 2026. Someone like to move it? I'll move it. Second. This basically is we are backed up. We're backed up through right now our agenda is full through August. So if somebody comes in, they can't get in before September. So we're going to be
going to two meetings a month. the first and the third Wednesday of the month. The room is always booked for us. So, try to get the um we have people who want to are applying for things and they might have to wait four months or
have a special meeting. This will um eliminate the need for special meetings because we already have the room booked. Um, will this represent a problem for anybody to go to two meetings like the the planning board does? I I do have a
question. Um, what's the absence um policy because I I if we had one a month, I think it was two excused absences. The I think it's uh or two or three. It's six.
Okay. It's six in the calendar year. unexcused in a calendar year. You can be removed for cause. Okay, we don't have that problem. That's unexcused. We always excuse that. Okay. Someone like to move the resolution.
Move the second. All in favor? Opposed? Chairman Adair? Yes. Ed Alllet? Yes. Morgan Mccclaclin? Yes. Rich O'Neal? Yes. Brian Badimky? Yes. John Flores? Yes. Eric Alvarez? Yes. you uh weren't here for the reorg meeting, so technically you're not
eligible to amend the resolution. Now I have to change the preamble, but Roberto, well, thank you for your vote. That's what Cliff said. Um, up next we have the resolution to memorialize the dismissal of the 205 charis application.
Can I ask a question on that? Of course. It's a legal question and I'm only hearing rumbles. I don't know anything for a fact, but it appears to me that they may be interested in discussing this matter again. Is there any any validity to that? Well, they can refile
an application. Well, if they refile, they've got to go through the whole process again. Correct. Cliff, can you turn your mic on for me? They will have to do it. I'm sorry. They will. They will. if they want to discuss it and leave and leave it leave it on before the board, I think that they kind of are
obligated to come before us and say so. Okay. Um I mean they it really doesn't make sense to me that I was saying to the board secretary this really this application really dates to 2021.
And uh it seems to me that if they were going to want to keep this alive, they would should send somebody to argue it because it this board is not draconian. I mean, we certainly could could keep it alive and you know, make sure that we
protected ourselves in the same way. So we we've had no contact from them then. No. Okay. I have had none none whatsoever. Rich, this is the building, right? And it's only for my understanding concept
all new application on people right okay that's all I'm trying to chairman yes Edot yes Robera Carpinets yes Morgan Mccclaclin yes Rich O'Neal yes Brian Badimky yes John Flores yes Eric Alvarez abstain Okay.
Uh, up next we have the hearing for 121 South Bridge Street. Good evening. Make your appearance, please. One thing, let me just make sure. Would you please speak into the microphone? Yeah, if you could just press because it's, you know, I want everybody to be
able to hear it. Thank you. Excellent. Good evening, Mr. Austin. Good evening. Tell us what you want to do. Okay. Mr. Amati is the owner of certain property located at 121 South Bridge Street. Um, identified as block 60, lot 4 on the
official tax maps of the bureau. Located on the property is a two and a half story frame dwelling that was used as a two family home. Mr. Amedi brought the bought the property in 2016 and got approvals in 2018 to put an addition on
the building and convert it to a four family dwelling. It may seem like a long time ago, but I think some of you were on the board at that time. I thought it was Mr. Hago who had that. Okay.
The existing building was previously used as two two-bedroom apartments. Uh so it had four bedrooms total. The applicant obtained approval to convert it with an addition to four one-bedroom
apartments. The applicant uh then secured financing and applied for building permits, but he was told that he hadn't uh satisfied certain conditions of the zoning board's approvals. Um the applicant attempted to do that, but then hit and ultimately the
approval expired before the applicant satisfied all the conditions of approval. He had two years from the date of the resolution to get a building permit and he wasn't able to get the building permit because there were a couple of conditions that hadn't been satisfied and uh as a result the
approval expired and the applicant um wants to move forward with this project and so he's reapplied to this board uh for the approvals that were obtained in 2018. The proposed project and the plant are exactly the same as was proposed
previously and was approved in 2018. As the applicant will testify this evening, u the building and the property have been vacant since before he bought the property in 2016. He's prepared to invest substantial resources to clean up and restore this
property and make it an attractive part of this neighborhood and while at the same time adding four modern one-bedroom apartments to the burough's housing stock. While the applicant has been working to secure the necessary
approvals and satisfy conditions to allow him to proceed with this project, he has secured the building. He's cut down dead trees. He's had someone cutting the lawn every two weeks. And he's been trying to maintain the property, but it is vacant. Um there's
obviously no one living there. Um he's anxious to move forward, renovate the building, install the site improvements and the new landscaping that's shown on the plan, and uh turn this property into something that the town can be proud of, which I'm sure is not the case right now.
As part of this application, the applicant is seeking site plan approval and the following variances. First, a use variance to allow a four family home. Uh an F variance to allow a floor area ratio of
37.8% where a maximum F of 30% is permitted. Uh third, a variance to allow a maximum improvement coverage of 72% where 40% is allowed. Um, also, uh, we need two variances for
the driveway. Um, one to allow the driveway to be within 3 ft of the northerly property line where where it is now. Um, when a 10-ft setback is required and a variance to allow the
driveway to have a width of 18 feet in one section. Um, and the purpose of that is to allow a turnout in front of the building so that cars can pass each other on the driveway in that one spot. Um, the ordinance allows a maximum width
of 10 feet or 15th of the lot width, which would be about 11 feet. So, he's proposing something a little bit wider. Uh, and we'll get into that and through the testimony of our witnesses. Lastly, a sideyard setback variance will be
required. The ordinance requires a minimum sideyard of 8 feet for one side and 20 feet for both sides. The existing building has a minimum sideyard of 3.74 feet on one side and
15.71 feet in total for both sideyards. Now, while that is an existing pre-existing non-conforming condition, the proposed building addition will maintain that same sideyard and go a little farther back with that same sideyard. And as a result, uh a variance
will be required, a sideyard setback variance will be required. Um in addition to those variances, there's another existing pre-existing non-conforming condition that I should mention, which is the front yard setback, which is 24.49. 49 where 50
feet is required but that existing front yard setback is not being changed and so I don't think is required for that and with that the way I would like to proceed this evening is to call the following witnesses. First I'd like to
call the applicant Mr. Amedi. Second I'd like to call uh Mr. Christian Quato a civil engineer from Harbor Consultants. Uh next I'd like to call Mr. Greg Waga, the project architect. And finally, I'd like to call Miss Elizabeth Mcmanis, a land use planner
with a firm of Kylin McManis Associates. That would be fine. Would you like to uh I I prefer to do it one witness at a time, but I mean, if you want, whichever way you like, doesn't matter. Let me Let's do it one at a times. I I don't
like doing the animal househ thing. I state your name. Okay. Uh Mr. Good evening. Good evening, sir. Would you raise your right hand? Do you saw me sort of the testimony you're about to give in this matter will be the truth? So, I'll help you God. Please state your
name and spell your last name for the record. My name is Feti. F A T O S. Last name is a HI. Thank you very much. Welcome. Just turn that mic on. Just push the button again.
Um, good evening, Mr. Medie. Good evening. Are you the owner of the subject property located at 121 South Bridge Street? Yes, I am. And And when did you purchase that property? We purchased the property 2016.
And was the property occupied or vacant when you purchased it? was vacant. Was vacant. Was it habitable when you purchased it? In other words, could you put a tenant in? What What kind of condition was it in? He was just gut job inside. It had
been gutted on the inside. Yeah. Okay. Didn't have any appliance, didn't have any fixtures, bathroom fixtures, didn't have kitchens or anything. It was we purchased as is. You got it from the bank. You bought it from a bank. Okay. Um what was your plan for this property
when you purchased it? back then with my partner, we wanted to invest. We wanted to we were looking for multif family. We this property came in the list and we went we we even went went in town. They
told us because we wanted to make sure there was no any problem with the property. They told us there was no prop problem or anything like that. We got excited. We signed the contract. We bought the property thinking that we can uh we have four family there because we
already had plans. We made plans with the different architect to make one family and when we went for permits we were told the house was taxed for two family.
So we wanted to Still, we were back then we were still thinking we can apply for four family which uh it took a little longer than we anticipated. But but you did file an application for varian. We did file
application. Yes, we did. And uh again, it just uh we were working on it and it was uh kind of complicated. But that was with this board. That application. I'm sorry. With this board,
I believe uh was uh we didn't we didn't have complication with board. Okay. All right. No, no, board was perfect. I'm not it was complication with the with the property. Okay. I'm just just make sure the record's clear. We have to go through approvals and that kind of
stuff. So, didn't mean to interrupt your testimony. Go ahead. So, you got the approval and then uh did you apply at that point for a building permit? We went to file for building permit, but obviously uh there were some uh list of
compliance on top of the approvals. So, there were there were conditions of approvals. Conditions of approvals. Yes. Right. which uh right after that co hit my uh then lawyer
retired my engineer wasn't doing his job I guess they were going back and forth basically was in my payroll I have a list here all the money that I put wait I don't think we need to
get that it's just so so you were working to satisfy conditions of approval but the approval expired before you were well I I didn't to be honest I I didn't know because like I said I didn't have a lawyer back then I didn't get anything in mail I didn't even know
that it's going to expire and it will be such a big problem otherwise I will continue to do things then I had to hire completely different team you Mr. VA and moved on with the project. Since
then, I've been trying my best. Okay. So, you have now reapplied for the approval that expired. Correct. Correct. Okay. And um what have you what have you done other than um apply for this approval?
What other things have you been doing um to move forward with this project? Um Have you is your financing still in place for for this? Financing is still in place. I still have the because everything was put on hold. I still had
I was ready back then to just to was approved basically for everything else. Okay. All right. Now, now while you've owned the property, what have you done to secure and maintain the property? Because obviously it's vacant. Basically, it's nothing much to be done
outside. I mean, we I had a maintenance guy who does clean up. Yes. Some We had a dead tree in the middle of the property which I cut it. There were damage in fence. I fixed it
and basically I have a landscaper who does everything. Have you put locks on the building to secure the locks? They are indoors. The windows are all uh secured. Everything is secured. There is no access inside the property. Okay. Um
and and what have you been doing in terms of uh dealing with the lawn? I mean, have you had somebody cutting the lawn on a regular basis? We cut the guy cut every every two weeks. I have picture. He sends me picture everything recording every time it's cut for my
record. All right. Have you seen Mr. Cole's report dated May 15, 2025? Yes. Um, in item three of the landscaping section of that report, Mr. Cole notes that there's a wood fence on
your property near the property line of lot five, I guess that's the house to the right of your of yours looking out from the street. Yes. Was the fence there when you bought the property? Yes. Okay. Um, Mr. Cole says the good side of the fence should lot five. Um, are you
willing to remove and reinstall that fence to comply with that request? Yes, of course. Yes. Okay. In item four of that section of Mr. Cole's report, he notes that the landscaping located along the northerly property line is overgrown and should be
pruned. Uh, what's your plans for the landscaping along that type of property? Well, I went through even my contractor went in town and he explained I'm not I don't recall the gentleman he spoke and that was the plan and uh the plan was
once we start with the renovation because there is no pointing fans right now while you go with trucks and everything they're going to be damaged. So once we start with the project everything I'm planning to put fence over there and change clean up everything. So, you're going to take
down the landscaping that's along along the driveway there and replace it with a fence. Correct. But some of the trees, some of the shrubs, they are there. There they belong to the other property. I have already even took a picture. I have a picture. Okay. So, you'll prune back. Everything is going to be fixed
and you'll put in a fence. Okay. Item four in the general comments section of Mr. report pertaining to the trash and recycling containers shown on the uh I'm sorry pertains to the trash and recycling containers shown on the plan that are to
be located near the rear entrance of the building. Can you explain what the plan is with respect to trash and recycling for the tenants if you have four tenants and get this application approved? Well, it should it's going to be in a lease. They're responsible to take the garbage
to the curb. The tenants are will be responsible. So each tenant will have one garbage and one recycle. One recycle. Yes. Everything is stated in the plan. Okay. And then they'll be responsible to take the cans to the curb
and bring them back in. Correct. Um. All right. Item six in that section, the general comment section of Mr. Call's report, uh, asks if there is a heating oil tank in the basement because I guess there was some port evidence of
a port there. Is there a heating oil tank in the basement? No, there is a gas line. I guess it was gas connected back then, but there is nothing no fixture, nothing in the basement. So maybe at one time there was there was maybe before I not
on my time. Okay. Item seven in the general comment section of Mr. Cole's report asks, "Does the site have any soil or groundwater contamination?" No. We had that before it was done. It was
tested and also I believe I'm sure town has a record of it. I I have to look into my file because I know I paid for it. So you as part of your purchase of the property in 2016, you conducted an
environmental assessment of the property. I believe it was conducted just before the hearing uh first time. Okay. Just Okay. Correct. And the results of that were no negative. Okay. Uh, no further
questions for this witness. Anybody from the board have any questions? So, do you have a copy of that report? I not sure. I have to look into it, but I believe I it was done. So, I have a
maybe a little bit of an interpretation about landscaping, maintenance, etc. I walked the property yesterday and I'm looking at two pictures where there's many piles of debris, mostly landscaping that hasn't been removed that is there
in the backyard and it's unsightly. U that's number one. Number two is when you got the approval, what were the conditions that you could not satisfy? And it sounds like not with this board but with the building
department. What were they? I believe uh there was uh the biggest issue was storm war which it was done by uh
what's the name the company harbor consultant and uh he will give you more details uh about that what else basically believe that those are the main thing. Then there was a lighting which Mr. Vaga
will also explain. That's part of this part of the current report. But I think uh Mr. McG was asking about what conditions from the prior approval weren't satisfied. Were they the same as same? I guess. Yes. Okay. It
was one. I'm sorry. They are same. The two trees. The trees. The two trees had to come down. So yes, so you get the approval, the two trees, the true tree, two trees, they're at the middle of the property right now, but you cannot remove them until we start with the
project because you have to cut the trees. That's where the parking is going to be, right? So you you received the approval, I think it was in 2018. Yeah. And because of two trees and the storm water, you you couldn't proceed with the
project. No, it's not that. And like I said previous was COVID hit, my lawyer got uh retired and then engineer wasn't responding. So the whole thing expired.
That's why I had to put the new team in place, hire the new team and then move forward. and I got approval uh from uh for stormy water but uh I guess then it was too late. I have a here I have a
report for from Harbor Consult Mike. Was there anything else that was going on? Because now we're we're talking about seven years after you got the approval. It's been vacant for 15 years. It's been
unsightly for the neighborhood, certainly for the town. Yeah. Uh what happened is the original engineer was on the project for about six months and they were replaced I think with Harbor and went back and forth from the storm water management
system which isn't shown depicted on the plans that you have but there's an infiltration and I do believe most of that was worked out but there were just big gaps in time between the approval with
submissions like San sewer lateral that was supposed to be that videotaped be placed if some bad that was just some of that stuff was never taken care of. When did the approval expire? Well, it would be five years. So, it was
2023. Uh there were some provisions with the code and D. If you register the project, you could get extensions, but that wasn't done on this project. Wasn't the water problem the driveway? It was the storm water right now. The
existing condition is it runs uh westbound from the backyard down into the street to South Bridge Street. Now, this is the current conditions. They were proposing the surface parking lot
that there was a lot of discussion about curb, no curb. Um it was left no curb but there was catch faces to put in and infiltration the detention pipe and that pipe overflows goes to the what's
showing the plans right now is the French drain at the edge. The idea was to catch the water so there's not icing going across the street and to uh there was the other option of doing
this was to look at the capacity in South Bridge Stormwater system but uh that's the way the previous engineer was going but uh that was discarded in the current plan or the plan from the
last was the store infiltrated in the overflow. I think it was a 10-year storm. It goes to the French drain that goes to a curb face discharge. You have a trench drain across right near the sidewalk. Then you have a pipe going to a curb face discharge. And I do believe
the uh the pre and post runoff were relatively being matched, but you don't have that in the plans. There's a there were a couple of stormwater reports done. I want to say
2021 that was to address that. It's not on your plans. The plans you have and I picked up in the report doesn't show the catch basing. You just show sheet flow coming down the driveway to the trench drain. But the stormware report that was
submitted with this application talks about the infiltration and the mounding. analysis done in the piping network that's solidified. Mr. Chairman, I have I had a question as well. Uh for Mr. Oman, was there ever an
application made to you know the there's an issue of expiration here, but did anyone ever seek an extension? Um and if so, if so, what was the result? Or if not, why not? Okay. First of all, there
was a condition in the prior approvals uh that uh building permit had to be obtained within two years. That was 2020. Okay. And it wasn't. Um I was retained in March of 2023 and I think by then the approval
was just about expired or had expired and um by the time I got up to speed on it and spoke to the town about it, they said it's expired. I know over the years after the initial one I spoke with Frank Frank also
several times what's the status of the application and he did confirm that he was having a problem with his his consultants or his staff and just a couple things we talk I had talked about the
tree there was two trees that we had talked about And both of them had to be removed. They were in the front. The one that was in the tree line right next to the side next to the driveway and the big tree between in front of the house
between the two houses, your your house and the one to the south of it that was supposedly been removed. It wasn't. So, this application is it's a brand new
application. is not an application or it doesn't include an application to in essence reinstate the uh or extend retroactively the uh previous approval. I I don't think that that the the board has the ability to extend the prior
approval. I think the department new application I I'm not trying to throw a r a wrench in the works but I'm it sounds okay. So you're you're starting brand new here and that makes sense. No, that makes sense and that the
board should make that finding. That's fine. Please proceed. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Were there any more questions for this? Anybody from the audience have any questions of Mr. One question back? Please, please come
up and identify yourself. Stand by the mic. Sure, you're right. You're right. Yeah, that that would be better. Yes. My name is Mike Cobber. I'm the owner of 125 South Bridge Street, the house just south of 121 South Bridge Street. Um, I've had concerns since I
bought the house in 2017. Um, I've contacted Vatos. I've contacted the burrow. Um, this home is in major neglect. Um, the second floor of the back of the house is actually dropped into the basement of the house. You're you're making a statement. These are
questions on the U. Yeah. So my question would be if this does go through or if it doesn't go through, I just need to know because it's a public concern um and safety of the residents in the house. What is going to be done with the home? Because the structure of this
house could come and hit my house. I have slate roofing tiles come off and hit my house constantly. Large tree branches from all three trees are hitting my house. You've had a tree come and hit the fence and hit my You did
have it repaired about seven years ago. So, I just have major concerns. I have pictures of the house. There's actually a pond on the top of the back. Right now, you're getting testimony, right? You'll have I guess my phrasing is
right. So, I just I I'm just very concerned for my well-being, people in the home, if we can get this rectified, the chimneys about to fall over. Like, how do you see fixing this? Everything All that part of the house we we talk
now. Nice to meet you in person because we only talk on the phone. Yes. I explained to you all that chimney, all that portion of the roof, everything is is going to come out. Everything it's in a new plant. Yeah. No, that's even though now when from the last time my
contractor went in town to get a permit, I guess they didn't even they didn't issue a permit to remove it. But we according to even my contractor, we thought we can move faster. So we get the permits and start
with the project. Until we start or get approved, I don't know what can be done in a roof right now. If the board wants me to remove the chimney, I have no problem with it. I think it's it's more than the chimney. It's more than the roof. The whole walls could collapse and
hit my home. No, no, that's I have I do have pictures to show if anybody Can I do that? I know I'm directing questions to him. Can I show the board the pictures of the evidence? You can, but I mean this this is a time for questions,
not affirmative. Uh I mean, it would be better if you waited until the application applicant finished its case and chief. Okay. I just wasn't sure how to address it. That's all. Thank you. But you'll certainly have ra an opportunity. Excellent. Thank you.
Mr. Is that it? Mr. Ready. Is that it? Thank you. I'd like to call as my next witness uh Mr. Christian Quo. Good evening, sir. Would you please stand and raise your right hand? You saw me swear the testimony you're about to
give in this matter will be the truth. So, I'll help you God. I do. Please state your name and spell your last name for the record. Christian Quato. C U T O. Thank you very much. Uh, Mr. Osterman, your witness, sir. Thank you. Uh, Mr. Mr. What is your profession? I
am a civil engineer licensed in the state of New Jersey. Uh would you please summarize for the board your professional qualifications? Sure. I have a bachelor's uh in civil engineering from NGIT. Um I've been practicing civil engineering uh since 2007. Um
I did testimony various boards in Union County and I sit as the uh burough engineer in Kennorth. Okay. Very good. And my license is in good standing. Even better. I'd like to ask the board to accept Mr. Quto as a an expert in his field. Thank
you. Um Mr. Quato, by whom are you employed? Harbor Consultants. And was Harbor Consultants retained to address engineering issues in connection with the applicant's plans for 121 South Bridge? Yes, specifically for uh the drainage for this project. Okay. And and
did you work on that project? Yes, I did. Have you seen Mr. Cole's report dated May 15th, 2025? to this project? Yes, I have. Okay. I'd like to ask you to address a few storm water and lighting issues raised in that report.
First, item A3 on page 10 of that report uh asks the applicant to provide testimony regarding why curbing is not being proposed around the parking areas. Could you address that? Sure. Um there's no cur curbing along the parking uh due
to the uh residential uh use for the site. Further, there's a 10-ft buffer between the lot line and the parking area. Uh on Mr. Waga's plans, you see uh various landscaping uh including shrubs and trees. The shrubs um abut the uh
edge of pavement and uh I feel that that is a sufficient enough of uh stop gap for a car to uh park in those areas. further uh where the edge of pavement meets the uh open space
landscaped area. It's kind of a ridge and everything the way that's graded uh the runoff um along the edge of pavement asphalt goes uh directly towards the storm water while uh the landscape area goes uh towards the other side uh along
between the between the existing house and uh the house next door. Next item B4 on page 11 uh pertains to the color temperature of the LED lights. The plans show that lighting temperature is 3,000 degrees Kelvin and Mr. Cole
recommends 3500 degrees Kelvin. Uh can you address that, Adam, please? Uh 3,000 Kelvin is usually a more warmer light. Uh 30 3500 is more of a neutral light. Um, I really don't uh think that there's it's it's almost like a preference for
some people, but I don't uh if the board would like the uh temperature to be raised to 3500, I'd have no exception and I would advise that we can revise the plans as as necessary. Okay. Uh next item D1 on page 12 of Mr. Cole's report
pertains to storm water runoff and notes that storm water runoff can be greater than pre-development runoff when the increase has a potential for flooding or directed across sidewalks. Can you address that item, please? Sure. Um, when this was previously approved, my
office came in uh to address specifically the storm water uh management uh plan. Uh, we devised a system to uh infiltrate the runoff from rain uh into the system and infiltrate into the ground. We also uh coordinated
a uh soil log and there is sufficient percolation uh for an infiltration system uh for this site. Um my office worked with uh with uh Mr. Cole uh in getting all the drainage and storm water
uh aspects of this project uh approved and acceptable by his standards. And I believe in 2021 we got a letter from his office saying that uh that it complied with the resolution. Okay.
Um so uh what will the uh postdevelopment runoff be compared to the pre-development runoff? The post development will be increasing because of the uh addition of the imperviouses which is why we are proposing a uh
infiltration system so that the excess runoff uh from the system will drain to the uh infiltration system and percolate into the ground. Okay. So with that system in place will the post development runoff be equal to or less than it'll be less than in the in the
post uh development. Thank you. U finally would you please Item D3 on page 13, which notes that the proposed storm water improvements described in the applicant storm water report are not depicted on the site plans. Uh will the applicant agree to depict the proposed
storm water management system on the site plans? Uh we can provide on our plan which will uh use uh Mr. Wag's plans as a reference. Great. And will the infiltration of the storm water comply with the New Jersey best management practices? Yes. Yes, they
will. Okay. And will I I guess you've already answered this. He asked, "Will the post construction runoff from the site be the same or less than the existing storm water runoff?" Yes, it'll be less. Yeah, it'll be it'll be less. Okay. Uh no further questions for this, please. Anyone from the board have any
questions of Mr. Quo? What What are you showing us up here? That Well, this was what was previously uh submitted to the town. Uh and and uh uh we I went with Mr. on a site visit to kind of like finalize
or uh the design for this project. That's not part of the package. This was this was uh this was uh submitted after the first approval to get uh that resolution compliance issue addressed. Uh yes, as a
What number is that? A1. I would just like to add that the BMP manuals changed. I I'm aware we'll we'll address the new standards. I should the board grant approval, right? Would have to address the new BMP
standards. That's correct. Presumably that would be a condition of approval and we would comply with that. I have no further questions for this witness. Anybody else from have any question? Mr. Quaido, anybody from the audience have any questions of the
testimony just given by Mr. Quaido? Mike, I do have a question regarding curbing curbing. Curving, what's your feeling with that? I I don't I don't understand why it's not curved.
There's plenty of room. The landscape can move back. It defines it. I don't know of any applications in town that are not curve, right? We can comply if if it's if the board wishes.
Okay. Thank you, Mr. Qu. Thank you. Other question? No. No other questions? Okay. I asked any more questions? None from the audience. Okay. Thank you, Mr. I'd like to next
call Mr. Greg Waga. Good evening, sir. Would you please raise your right hand? Uh, do you do you solemnly swear the testimony you're about to give in this matter will be the truth? So, help you God. I do. Please state your name and spell your last name for the record, please. Gregory, middle
initial J. Waga, W A GA 21109 St. George Avenue, Rawway, New Jersey 07065. Thank you, Mr. Waga. Mr. Osterman, your witness. Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Waga. Good evening. What is your profession? I'm a uh licensed
architect in very good standing in the state of New Jersey and seven other states. Okay. Would you please summarize for the board your professional qualifications? Sure. Um uh licensed for over 30 years in this state uh and again in others. I've testified in numerous uh municipalities. I haven't had the
privilege here. We do work in Somerville, but have not had the privilege to appear in front of this board. Well, we're glad to have you. Thank you. Thank you. I would ask that Mr. Waga be accepted. Thank you. Thank you. U Mr. Waga, did you design the building
renovations that were presented to this board as part of the development application that was approved in 2018? Uh we were a part of uh the post uh of the design. We were not involved initially. license architect. Okay. Or project
architect. Okay. So you you took over after the after Mr. Amedi reassembled the new team. Are the plans that are proposed for the building and site as part of this application the same as those that were approved in 2018?
They're they're similar different but similar. The footprint hasn't changed. Uh the drawings that I have uh here um presenting this evening are those that are in the package. I have no special exhibits uh to um to present. Uh but the
the footprint uh is in fact uh the same I believe. Uh it hasn't changed since our initial redesign uh back in 2019. What was the nature of your redesign? Uh we added we made the building a little
more efficient uh and we proposed four units which were initially proposed. The layouts didn't seem to make sense. the interior configuration. Uh the footprint did increase slightly. We basically just squared off the rear right corner. Um adding on about 700 and uh I believe
it's 65 square ft or 35 square ft uh total for two stories. Uh and uh just providing for a better layout. Okay. Um would you please review the plans with the board and that presented to
this board and um explain uh what's being proposed at this time? Sure. Sure. So um what I'm presenting to you now is sheet site one of your presentation and it depicts the building which is located again towards
about 24 and change off of South Bridge Street. Uh footprint. The majority of the footprint is not going to change. We are adding in the rear right corner a a foundation of about 365 square ft. Uh crawl space only, will not be basement.
Uh and then beyond that, we're providing for nine parking stalls, one of which will be handicap accessible. The two lower units will be accessible from the front and they'll have private entrances off the rear. Uh the second floor units
will be accessible from the front and the harder. The first floor units uh have an area of approximately 750 ft in the left and approximately 98 square ft on the right. The two second floor units are at
815 square ft and 865 ft roughly. All onebs self-sufficient washer dryer. The existing basement uh does not satisfy occupancy because of its dimminimous ceiling height. It's six feet to underside of joists and 6'10 to the
underside of structure. Uh the facade of the structure, we're intending when I said refurbish the existing. It's a great brick building. Um it needs some work. There was indication uh that there was a front porch on this structure at one time way back when. You can see by
the differentiation of the concrete uh where the brick was not installed along the front if that's something that you didn't pick up on. Um so that did probably project out four or five feet. Uh and we're maintaining the height. We're not increasing the volume or not
increasing the overall height. Uh we will provide all our drawings in in response to the neighbors questions. All structure will in fact be repaired to satisfy all current code requirements. So, we'll have a very very safe and I appreciate your concern, a very very
safe structure moving forward if this board so chooses to approve tonight. Uh, and again, we're looking to to maintain the facade, clean it up. We believe we can do it. Um, it's a good brick. It's a glazed brick. Uh, the only concern that
I have is how we're going to treat uh the lower um the lower concrete or cement stucco base uh that's painted a darker gray. right now we'll probably either come in with some sort of stone base uh and I can present I'm I'm actually on vacation this week so I
don't have a sample board for you uh so I didn't have time when I got the letter from Mr. last Thursday late. Um I didn't have a chance to uh to put a board together, but I'll be more than happy to satisfy that obligation as part of this approval process and we'll put together
little colorboard samples, but right now we're looking to maintain the brick. It's a good brick structure. Yes, the chimney's coming down the roof in the back. We know Yeah, we know in in the last four years it's probably gotten worse than it was in in 19. So all that
will in fact be repaired, restored, and we hope to again bring make make this property some something that the uh neighbor at 125 is very proud of. Just a minor procedural detail or I just want the you these were you submitted these
architecturals with the with the application correct? They were submitted back in December I believe. Yes, sir. Very good. I just want to confirm that for the record. Go ahead. Yeah, they were submitted I I hand delivered them to Mr. Cole's office. Mr. Astraman's office. That's perfectly That's perfectly fine. I just wanted to make
sure that Sure. everything is as it was submitted. No worries. Yes. So, and again, we will work uh in coincidence with Harvard Consultants who's a a close peer of ours. I've known him for for a very long time, probably longer than I'm licensed. So, we'll work with uh
Christian and his office and his team to make sure that we satisfy again the curbing, the repositioning of landscaping. We've got low profile, very very decorative landscaping. Um we're going to be providing for eight uh eight
uh trash cans, recycling units here. Um the air cond I know it's part of your questions and concerns, Mr. Cole. U but the the condensers themselves on the outside they're going to be a very high sear product. So the higher the sear, more usually the sound attenuation tends
to diminish tremendously. So that's what we're looking to do. But All that will be satisfied with our drawings moving forward. Our drawings were prepared uh three years ago, four years ago, different code, right? It was a 2020 IBC, an IRC. Now it's the 2023 IRC and
IBC. So therefore, we've got to comply with with uh I'm sorry, the 2021. It was a 2018 when these plans were permitted uh submitted. Now it's a 2021. So code is subject to change in about a year or two. New Jersey will adopt it, read the
new version. Uh, but we hope to, you know, get these in expeditiously uh, upon subsequent approval. See, anybody have any questions of Mr. Actually, you know what? I'm going to before the board asks questions, I had a
few more questions for Mr. Rocket. I'm going to have him address some of the issues in Mr. Cole's report. Um, so I I take it you've seen Mr. Mr. Cole's report. Yes. Um, I'd like you to uh address the following uh items in section uh Roman number four of that
report. All right. First, parking and circulation. What page you on? I'm on page 10. Parking and circulation A1. All right. Yes. So, so Mr. Cole, my interpretation was um that you're we're not we're not
modifying the width of the entry here. Is it you're concerned that it's the expansion at the rear to over 10 ft? No, it's mouth. You're doing a kick out. It's 18 ft. There's a bump out. Okay. So, so that's Yeah. What we what the
intent was there because the driveway does taper as it bypasses the building on the left. We were hoping for a courtesy bypass. Uh, somebody's coming in, somebody's going out simultaneously. Nobody has to risk the chance of backing down a 10-ft corer, more or less that
pre-exists at this at this bottleneck here. Um, so it was just a courtesy. Um, not important to us. Again, we were just looking out for for the uh the tenants. Yeah, I just don't think it's okay. No worries. It's it's easy enough to remove. No worries.
Okay. I think the next item that I wanted to ask you about was A3 on the same page. Yes. Uh that pertains to the curbing. I think we've resolved that. Yes. Yes, sir. Okay. So, um that's fine. And then with respect to site lighting,
uh B on page 11 B4. Yes. Uh we I think we've addressed that now. Yes. With Mr. Quato. Yes. So, we've agreed to the uh 3500. Okay. Um All right.
uh pertains to the security lighting. Yes. Security level of illumination should be depicted on the planes. Is this something? Yeah, we'll we'll provide a a a luminere uh configuration for luminosity. Okay. Yep. Then moving on to the next page on page 12. Um item
B7 pertains to um uh the light pole uh needing to be raised u concrete base should be raised to a minimum of 30 in above grade. But that again I think that's going to go away given that parking lot curbing
and it's not proposed. A concrete base should be raised if Mr. Cole is now going to work on a on a curving around the perimeter. um that that item B7 disappears. Okay. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. And then um on the same
page, uh C1 under landscaping. Yes. Um the trees that need to be removed. Yes. So, so again, we've worked diligently with with Mr. Cole's office over the past number of uh years on and off, I'll say, right? Because it hasn't been much in the last couple. Um but uh
but yeah, I I think the chair, Mr. there did inquire as to the removal of those trees and Mr. Amedi is going to comply. Yeah, that was a condition of approval for the last one. Yes. Yes. Great. Um and then uh the building and
architectural comments starting on page 13 E3. Yes. Could you address that? Yes. So, as I alluded to, we're going to try to salvage this brick brick facade. Um it's a glazed brick. It's a good brick. Um remediations that need to be made
will be made. We're going to clean it uh and see what it turns out to be. You know, we'll take a spot in the back and uh see how it turns out. If the mortar um if the mortar uh you know is salvageable, we'll save the mortar. If it's got to be repointed, we'll repoint.
But I believe the brick is a good brick. So, we're going to uh we're going to maintain it. I just drove by the site to familiarize myself with it again before tonight's meeting. Uh and again the only concerns that I have will be addressing and we'll do something nice architecturally with that concrete band.
Um we might enhance it uh to restore the history of the home. Uh but we'll take care of the base the concrete stuckco base which is about 36 to 39 in high depending upon how great slopes left to right. Uh and that will be continuous around
the perimeter. Okay. It's not just going to be in the front. Next item, E5, pertaining to uh the location of roof leaders being depicted on the Yes. Yes, we'll we'll uh we'll address that as needed. Okay. Next one.
E6. Um should they be tied into Mr. Cole? Would you like those tied into the the drainage or would you like those just on splash guards? They should be tied in the drainage. Okay. I got a question for you, Mike. If you tie them into the drainage, how's that
going to affect the the volume? off the site. It'll be addressed with the piping. It'll Yeah, it'll it'll be the the stormwater rags have been changed. Yeah. And they're going to have to redo the stormwater management report. So, we can
certainly pick up the roof on that. The alternative, Rich, is the problem is the drainage is to the street across the sidewalk. So, to get rid of the icing, you have to tie it in. Otherwise, you might have the potential icing across the sidewalk in the winter time, but the
whole system will be upgraded to handle additional volume. Correct. Okay. Um, next item was E6. Yes. It talks about the color of various facade elements are not stated. Applicants should bring samples. I alluded to that. Yeah. Yeah. We'll do that just to make
sure we're the board is pleased and and the building department. I don't know uh if the board would like to see those in advance uh or prior to the uh preparation of uh formal adoption of the resolution of this application, but we can comply on either way. We're back in full force next Tuesday. Right. Can you
describe what is being proposed? Yeah. Again, uh we're going to clean up the brick. We're going to check on the integrity of the mortar. Uh we're going to address the base around the perimeter. Um the colors of the windows, uh all colors will be neutral in color.
Nothing stark, nothing vibrant. It's going to all blend in with what exists across the street so that we have con, you know, a consistent uniformity throughout the neighborhood. Yeah, that was my concern being that it's a use variance that the board actually has something to approve, not a
concept. That's where I was concepts. So, if I had a few more days, I would have had it for you. Right. Yep. Thank you. We don't do concepts. I know you're a good board. Damn mood board.
Concepts John drill 2006. I still have those notes. Not cliff notes. Yeah. Next item I'd like you to address is E7 on the next page on page 14. Yeah. And I
I had answered that already. The higher the sear uh the more diminished the sound will uh be. Um and uh yeah, I think we've even added some landscape around that as well to buffer between uh the neighbor on 125 and 121. So the
applicant will agree that the sound data will comply with the New Jersey regulations. Yes. Yeah. That that data is going to have to be provided should the board grant approval. Understood. Uh next item E8. Uh testimony regarding
the HVAC for each unit. Uh does not appear that all vents, louvers, intakes are depicted on the elevations. Elevations should be amended accordingly. Vents, intakes should be located on the sides of the building, not in public view. Of course. Can the applicant agree to that? Yeah, we can
agree to that. Yes. All units uh again, the air handlers for the two uh the two uh lower level units are in the basement storage area and then the two air handlers for the upper two floors are in the attic area above. Okay. They're all
side discharge units and no chimneys. No, I'm sorry, Mr. They're all side dis units. All All through vents, direct vents. Yeah. No chimney. No, sir. No, sir. Just the only the only stacks you'll see will be your plumbing stacks
coming out the roof. Okay. Next. E9. Um they I think they asked for testimony regarding the layout and amenities. Yeah. So I can I can just change to board A1 or sheet A1 here which will indicate the basement
plan and the first floor plan. So again your plan is indicated here. This is the info corner here and the rear right south bridge is here. We're redoing the front steps. We're going to enter through a common fire rated corer here to get to the second floor units as well
as the first floor units. Your left side unit, as I alluded to a short while ago, I believe I said is 750 ft. The right side unit is 98 ft. You have living areas along the front. We have kitchen here. Uh we've got our washer dryer uh
located centrally off the kitchen. The layouts aren't mirrored as much here because of this central stair as they are more equally sized for the second floor. Your bedroom closet um and bathroom uh are off to the rear of both
units. One full bath, one bedroom, one kitchen, modest uh comfortable units. How are you going to vent the dryers? Say it again. How are you going to vent the dryers? Out through the rear wall. Yeah, our framing is running front to back. Okay. So, we're going right through the chilling joy.
What's your target market for tenants? I would say a young professional. You know, I'm going to date myself by by by stating, you know, a yuppy, right? But, uh, but a young professional, I would, you know, I I can't I'm not a realtor.
Um, I don't know what the intent of the um of the applicant is regarding his market. Uh, but I know that, you know, we had bedrooms at one time just configured as two two families as opposed to four onebs now. So um we
still satisfy our parking requirements uh you know as as as far as the RSIS is concerned at 1.8 per one bedroom. Um what are the ceiling heights in units? 10 ft. Yes sir. So they Yeah, those volumeist units are going to be pretty
units when it's all said and done. U next item E10. Um yeah I think we talked about that already you know that we'll we'll satisfy all required structural the structural integrity is is going to be
uh by by by far uh very much improved very much improved stable and uh and that's one thing we pride ourselves on okay and is the foundation uh we'll have to get it look I looked at it from the outside again today we'll have to get inside and Whatever needs to be done
will be done. Okay. To there are structural epoxies that we can apply. Uh additional support if needed. Um columner support. Uh we have brick pier columns downstairs right now. If we have to install beams, uh girders, additional
lolly columns, we will do so. Yeah, we'll re we'll be back in the site, you know, uh as soon as the resolution is adopted. Okay. And all of those things, I take will be shown on the construction. They'll be updated on the construction documents. Yes, sir. Yeah. because they're no longer code compliant
because of the outdated code. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Um finally, uh item E1, which talks about the uh gas and electrical and water meters not being depicted on the drawings. Um so that that's always a tough call. You
know that the utility companies rule, right? So we can show an area uh just for just for um um a black and white uh consideration, right? graphic representation, but ultimately it's going to be PS I think it's PSEG here.
Yes. And and who's your water? New New Jersey water. So they're they're the ones who are going to dictate. The water I'm not concerned about. It's going to be the gas and and the electric um that we really have don't any control over. Um it's going to be whatever makes best cost sense for the utility companies.
And then from there, we're going to have to make the necessary adjustments. We don't have any room on the left side because it's the driveway side. So, it's either going to be along the front somewhere on either the front right or left and it'll have to be screened. It might be on the right side. I don't know. Again, it's all about uh the
proximity to to to property lines and so on. It's high pressure gas, too. You know that? Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know. You're going to have nine parking spaces. Nine. Yes, sir. Will they be free? Free parking? Yeah, free parking.
Yeah, I would I would presume so. But because across the street they came Well, we have to provide parking. We're going to charge you for it. That's why all the overflow was parking on South Bridge Street. But now South Bridge from
second to third, second to uh fourth is now resident parking on on on the uh what's that? The west eastbound side only, right? Only on the eastbound side on the on the applicants on the audi side because the other side you can't
park. Um But no, this is an owner occupied, not I can't say owner, tenant occupied parking and structure. Yes, sir. What are you going to do if you get in there and you find that the B the building is not structurally sound? I
think that's everybody's concern. Well, we'll have to evaluate it accordingly. Um, we can do that very easily. When we visited the site, you know, back in 19, uh, we felt the foundation was in in in good shape for the age of the building. It wasn't in great shape, but
the remediations that we had specified do in fact did in fact remedy uh the issues at at hand. I I chair I I don't know how to answer that question. Honestly, we're just going to address it in the very best way we can. As I alluded to earlier a few minutes ago,
we'll we'll reinforce. We'll shore up whatever we need to do. Um, the applicant is is uh um he's a very dedicated man. I've known Fatos now for seven years, and he's a very dedicated man that really wants this project uh um
uh to go through and and we're here to help him. So, whatever it takes, he's going to have to do. And if we have to get the building department involved, the construction sub code to get their opinion, I don't mind doing that. We're a very uh you know, closely knitted team with every municipality we work with. If
there's an issue, we like to ask and then do. Okay. We're not just going to do something or design something that the construction sub code may not um validate or be comfortable with. Okay. When the porch was there, the second story porch, great place to watch the
Memorial Day parade. I bet. I bet. I pictured it. You know, been there. Yeah. Actually, it sounds like us. Look at us say great shape consider age. We don't want to talk. Remember Tony from the shining? I don't want to talk
about it. I have no further questions for Mr. Waga. Does anyone else from the board have any questions? Mr. Waga, have a few. Okay. The addition, what's it going to be made out of? Brick. Uh, yeah. We're going to try to match the brick as best as we can. Um the only the only
concession we may have to make if we can't find it's white glazed brick. It shouldn't be that difficult um is going to be just residing uh either the side elevations and maintaining brick on one or two sides. We'll do the best we can or come up with a material uh you know
almost like a composite material like a Hardy plank or Hardy board um uh that'll address that addition. the uh windows. Replacing all the windows. All the windows were out. New windows. Checking all the sills, all the jam extensions, all the headers. Yes,
sir. The uh I noticed you have a handicap spot. I don't see any ramps. What's the handicap spot for? It it it worked. It worked. There aren't any ramps technically. You know, uh I don't know what the housing criteria is
here in town. Um we provide them when and if we can. So, you're not going to make the is going to be the first unit is going to be adaptable or Well, actually, that wasn't that wasn't a handicap school. I'm sorry because I'm going back to Mr. Cole's report. He was looking for a van accessible spot, not necessarily handicap spot. Okay. So,
that's what that indicates is a is a van accessible spot. The uh basement, is that going to be uh accessible by the the first floor of tenants? So, they going to be able to store things down there? Uh yes. Yes. And same thing with the attic upstairs. They have attic access. Yes, sir. Building going to be sprinkler? Doesn't have to be. So, no,
sir. Doesn't have to be. By code is a two and a half story uh frame dwelling. My egress windows for my second floor and my stair primary stair. What code you building in? 2021 code. Which one? New Jersey edition of the IRC. It's IBC.
IBC. All IC. So in the IBC it says all Rs be sprinkler. All Rs. Even single family residential. Well, they take that. That's You're not building single family in IBC. Well, this was designed 18 and 18 didn't require it. Um, and so I've never had to
do it. I've never had complications. But again, as I alluded to in my opening, whatever compliant codes are in effect, we will make sure that the code drawings are code compliant. So, one of two families, that's the IRC that doesn't require sprinklers. Understood. The IBC does. So, I think you're going to have to put sprinklers in. So, the state
registered building when they talk. Um that basement that turns out to be a windowless story anyway. Correct. You don't have any access from the outside. No sir. It's only a six foot ceiling height. Yeah. So probably putting the fire alarm system in there anyway.
But you'll get that through co that's it. Thank you. The uh lines coming in from the street, the gas and the water, they're going to be brand new. Yes. Yeah. for that uh I guess the ninth parking
spot, the one furthest from the building. Um will someone parking there be able to back out and execute a turn? Yeah, it'll take a couple of moves, but yes. Yeah, the spots are 18 deep. The site back there is 55 deep. Um less the
10ft buffer. We have, you know, uh 45 We have about 27 feet for a car to maneuver back there. Yes, sir. Thanks. We have EV charging station. If we need to comply, we will. We'll pick up a parking spot credit.
We'll pick up a parking spot credit then. I think you probably will. Just had one other thing. Concerned about the structure itself. Could we evaluate this building in the next week or two to make sure we're not tipping over into the neighbor's property? Just the kind of Well, I was there today. I
didn't I didn't I didn't get to the back. I was a little too nicely dressed. That's what I'm saying. Maybe get I can get there next week. Yes. if there's a major problem, maybe you get the building. Yeah, we'll get it secured. But and so I guess that's part of that's part of the applicant's concern. He wanted to address the demolition of
various elements here. Uh but the building department would not let him go through with that demolition permit until he had formal board approval. So, you know, there has been there has been because we did have a demolition plan prepared, but it was for not because we didn't uh we couldn't get uh that done.
So, I don't know if there's any leniency that this board can grant to allow for Mr. Ameti to address these elements to put uh his neighbor at 125's mind a little more ease. Um, nothing the board can do for you, but you can take
emergency action to shore up the building through the building department with that. All right. Okay. All right. We'll do. So, just to evaluate and make sure we're not going to take them off through two. Are you part of the building department? Not in this town. No. No. Okay. Okay. Well, there's concern for the neighbor. That's good. Well, that's that's our
that's our concern, but our hands were kind of tight as we get back to hurricane season. Yes, sir. It may make sense because of the facade and the unknown. Should the board look to grant approval to grant a preliminary approval, not final, and
have them come back with final with all these issues addressed, the aesthetics, the venting, the addition in the back. I agree and that's what preliminary would allow for right in this case would be preliminary
approval. Go ahead and then come back with the finalized documents showing the aesthetics and maybe the PSC and G to see where the meters are, what the screen is going to be, what the addition is going to be, what the status of the the basement is uh to get to address the
unknowns. Sure. There's another question of a new RSI says for a new structure has to be on the ground service. So there's a question whether this is a rehab or a new structure. The the issue being that the utility poles are on the west side
of the street which require a drop pole which I we typically don't like drop holes with an extra pole. However, the RSIS says new building has the underground storage. The question is is a new building. So, uh renovations
they're going to be doing, right? So, the question is I to thoroughly vet that question about how these services are going to be. Um, and the assumption is it's a four unit that it would be a polemounted transformer, but we would need a padmounted transformer injury for
four. I don't think the load would dictate a padmounted transformer. Correct. So, just to thoroughly vet these topics, issues, items. Thanks for bringing it up. Yeah, PS, as you know, Rich, PS won't won't give any until you have an
approval. primary or final. PS won't even deal with the applicant. Uh in this case for me, it's really where the meters are going to be in. PS typically doesn't put meters in the basement. Sometimes they do. Same thing with New Jersey American. Where are the meters going to be? And then if they're going
to be in the front facade, can they be screened is what I agree that if they're in the front, let's incorporate that into the front design in terms of uh shrubs, some foundation planting, something. Oh yeah, we'll we'll do something around that'll be uh uh
evergreen in nature, not deciduous, so it doesn't lose its foliage, you know, in October. I would agree. So, in your opinion, when you looked at this, and I'm sure you've done the calculation, if the building were to be knocked down and reconstructed, what
would the percentage increase be above the rehab based on what you know? I know there's a lot of variables on the rehab. It had to be taken down. It'd be almost all you're saying down to foundation. Is that what you're alluding
to? Yeah. Knock it down. Nothing. Nothing. I don't think we because we go are if we would then have to comply with these setbacks. There's a prevailing setback permitted in this zone. Right. That's one thing because front yard setbacks 50. We're at 24.75. So we're almost doubling the
setback. The building diminishes to half its depth. We go back. Now we're losing parking. Uh but let's say let's say that's the question I hope I'm interpreting hypothetical. Let's say you get do get a variance you make the requests etc. What would the percentage
increase be for new construction over rehab? Oh. Oh it's we're we're adding a total of on the footprint we're adding three 365 square feet. So it's it's probably about 20 25% 20% of the
existing footprint. Okay maybe let me rephrase. Sorry. So, if you were going to knock down the building and it was a vacant lot to build it new. Yes. What's the percentage increase on replacement cost versus the rehab that you're going to do now? I haven't done that. I haven't done that. You haven't done that
for him? Well, not not new ones. You know, back in 19 we did it, but you know, everything a 2x4 is no longer a$182. It's, you know, throw out a percentage. You you have to have something in your mind. I'll say I'll say it's probably between 40 and 50%
more. Okay. Yeah. Good. Thank you. You're welcome. The front yard setback's 25 ft, not 50. I was sitting here saying it was in our It was in our zoning. No, it's the front yard is 25. Hold on. Do you require it? I'm sorry. You've
required 25 and you're 24 and change. Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I misinterpreted. M front yard. Look on page nine. It's 25. You're at 24. Yeah, I didn't I I thought I had something. You're a frontage, right? Any other
questions? Anybody from the audience have any questions of the testimony just given? Questions? Yes. You're on TV. Mike Cobber, 125 South Bridge Street. Uh, the architect, you spoke about the
trees being taken down. Yes. I just want to be specific. Is it just the two in the back, the two oak, or are we talking about the black walnut in the front? Remember, I believe the black walnut in the front and the two in the back have to be removed. I just want to make it stated that the black walnut will be coming out, right? Oh, yeah. That was
part of the part of the last time. And I just want to clarify too, this whole structure is going to be on towards my side of the house, south of his house, 120 to my house. It's all going to be three and a half ft from my home. It's going to be from the property line. It's going to follow the existing set the
existing foundation line. Yes, sir. Right. Okay. Okay. And what is the setback now? Like now, like if you did knock the home down and what's the requirement for the requirement now? It's a minimum of eight of of eight on one side and 20 for both. Okay. So, we
currently have 11. We currently have 11.97 and 3.7 right at the rear. No, on my side. Your
side foot in right. Okay. So, it's very close. Okay. Okay. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. I'd like to add that those setbacks we're talking about in the zone are for permitted uses, right? Yes. So, this isn't the permitted use.
Correct. Correct. Anyone anything else? I have no further questions for this witness. Thank you. Thank you. Uh next, I'd like to call my final witness, Miss Elizabeth McManis.
Uh, could you stand please and raise your right hand? You saw that the testimony you're about to give in this matter will be the truth. So, I hope you got it. I do. Please state your name and spell your last name for the record. Elizabeth Mcmanis, MCM Amus. Thank you
very much. Uh, yes. Miss McManus. We're familiar with her. Okay. Please stipulate to her qualifications. Thank you very much. Miss McManis, have you been to this site and the surrounding neighborhood? Yes. And have you reviewed the applicant's
plans for this project? Yes. And have you reviewed the board's findings from 2018 and the terms and conditions of the board's 2018 approval? Yes. Okay. Can you tell us what you what else you reviewed in preparation for your testimony this evening and what analysis
you conducted and share with us your findings and conclusions? Sure. I also reviewed the town zoning ordinance to understand how our proposed application compares to that. I reviewed Mr. Cole's report. Uh I also reviewed the town's master plan as well to to see how how it
is that we compare with the master plan policies. Right. And can you share with us your analysis and your findings and conclusions, please? Sure. be happy to. So, first of course, I'm here uh primarily because we need a use variance, although also uh an F variance. Um and I thought I would start
with the use variance and then go through each of the variances. um for the use variance uh and actually for for uh all of the variances. One of the things I want to be clear about is most or perhaps all of the testimony that you're going to hear tonight is going to
be consistent with uh what I think was the testimony provided in 2018, but certainly consistent with the findings that you see in the in the board's resolution. So, this is certainly a new application, but I think it's worth pointing out that uh for the reasons that the bureau thought that this
application made sense and addressed the necessary criteria a handful of years ago, I think that continues to be the case today. But starting with that use variance uh for the D1 use variance for uh for the criteria to be met. It's of course it's
positive criteria starting with what it is about the property that makes it uh particularly suited for the proposed use. And I think there are a handful of reasons that the board can consider. So first and foremost thinking about the lot I think it's worth noting that we have an oversized lot. the
minimum lot district or excuse me lot size in the R2 district is 6,000 square feet but here we have uh more than 30% additional area we have 9,328 square ft and so that larger lot certainly accommodates our uh need to
provide some parking for the proposed residences etc and gives us a little bit more breathing room on the site so to speak to accommodate our proposed four apartments. Um but additionally, one of the I think real attributes or uh
benefits to the application is the fact that we're able to accommodate our four units in a way that has very little impact on the neighborhood in the sense that we're able to accommodate more than what the required parking is. We've got nine parking spaces at the rear. Mr. 's
report notes that we need only eight parking spaces and the the literal RSIS calculation is is 7.2 round it up to eight but so we're easily able to provide parking for our residents as well as for additional visitors on the
property. Also we have uh a home or a building on the structure that has historically provided housing for multiple families. So, it has existed as a two family home for for many many years and now we're simply adding
another two apartments to it. However, one of the things that I think is particularly unique about this application is although we're increasing the number of units on the site, we're not actually increasing the number of bedrooms. And so, in terms of the number
of bedrooms that can accommodate residents, it remains the same. The existing structure provided two two-bedroom apartments and now our proposal is four one-bedroom apartments. So even though we have these increased units, it's it represents a lack of
increased density by virtue of that those bedrooms remaining the same size. And I think what all of that means is the density that we're proposing on the site is essentially hidden. Uh you won't see the addition from the street. You won't see multiple doors facing
South Bridge Street, which means that it's going to maintain its character as a single family home, and it's it's simply going to look like a much nicer uh adequate single family home. Uh in addition to the lot characteristics, I think our area really lends itself to
this application on this particular property. So, yes, we're in the uh the R2 district, but directly across the street is the G district, as well as your landfill redevelopment area. Both of those districts permit multif family homes. And of course, you've got multif
family uh uh apartments located directly across the street. And so, this is not uh dissimilar to that, although admittedly at a much smaller size. Additionally, we are adjacent to the B4 district, directly adjacent to that
district. And so, uh, immediately to our north, we have, uh, the potential to have apartments and mixeduse buildings being constructed on that property. And in fact, you see mixeduse buildings with multif family uh, multif family uses
along that block as you get closer to the intersection or actually at the intersection with Second Street. And so we've got uh proximity for zoning of multif family uses as well as proximity for existing multif family uses. And
then of course for location I also want to highlight the fact that this is really the exact type of location where additional density makes sense in this uh we are a three-minute walk from the train station and we're also a four-minute walk to downtown. So, just a
a few blocks away from major uh uh pedestrian generators and places where it makes sense to have increased density to support either the businesses along your main street or the the train station just uh a little ways away as well as uh of course the uh the
commercial uses in the B4 district. So for those reasons I do think that the property is particularly suited but there are also a handful of purposes the municipal land use law that advance the application. First I think is purpose A and that's the uh encourage municipal
action to guide the appropriate use or of development in all lands in the state in a manner which promotes the public health, safety, morals and general welfare. And I cite that because I think that we are proposing a use that is particularly suited to the the property for which it's located or hopes to be
located. But additionally, by virtue of proposing the additional housing units on the site, I also think that helps to advance the general welfare because again we are putting folks in a location where they can walk to a train station, they can walk to downtown. That will
help cut down on vehicle trips for folks that live in the burrow. And it also just helps to address the the housing needs that we have in the burrow, in the region, and in the state. I think we've unless you've been uh had your head in the sand for a long time, there's a lot
of talk these days about affordability and the need for housing in the state. And I know that Somerville is is beginning the affordable housing process, the compliance process. And so it seems that that's information that uh has really started to be absorbed by the community. And while we're not proposing
affordable housing, the nature of the additional supply on this property will help to contribute to addressing these housing problems by providing supply, by providing more places for folks to live. And I think that's important in a place like Somerville, like many other places
where you've seen increased rents over the last couple years, last several years. Additionally, I think we're also supporting uh purpose E, which is to promote the establishment of appropriate population densities and concentrations that will contribute to the well-being
of persons, neighborhoods, communities, regions, etc. And purpose G to provide sufficient space in appropriate locations for a variety of uses including residential. Uh and so both of these purposes are advanced uh by virtue
of proposing the multif family housing in this particular location and on this lot. So again on a lot that can accommodate it and a lot that is proximate to multif family uses making it an appropriate location and appropriate density and of course being
able to help address the housing concerns that we have uh locally all the way up to the state. And then lastly, but certainly not least, this application well advances purpose I and that is to promote a desirable visual
environment through creative development techniques and good civic design and arrangement. And just frankly the I think the goal for the burrow for some of the residents here as well as for the applicant is to make this property look
nice to eliminate the eyesore that it has become in Somerville. And the most efficient way to do that is through this application. We are ready to uh to improve this property's appearance to improve its safety uh as
soon as possible. as soon as we're able to given uh given the need to adopt the resolution if we're lucky enough to receive an approval. But in addition to simply getting rid of the eyesore, the application as a whole is going to uh
yes, fix up the property, but also restore some of the architectural materials or architectural design on the building, bring new landscaping to the site, uh eliminate the trees that are posing a uh safety hazard and a and a concern for folks in the area. And we'll
also be able to fix the fence so that it's uh I guess the good side out, so to speak. and we'll also provide new landscaping to help replace the trees that are removed and just to to improve the appearance of the site. And so it's through this application that the site
has the ability to to really come back to life and actually be an asset to the neighborhood rather than a detraction. And so that's the positive criteria for the use variance. Um I do think that the if the board were inclined, you could find that the other
variances are wrapped up with the use variance. But uh I also thought I would give testimony on the D4 variance, the F variants as well as the other C variances. So for the the D4 D4 variance, of course, that's our F
variance that's triggered by the uh by the proposed addition uh the increase in the uh in the F uh becomes more conforming by ver non-conforming, excuse me, by virtue of our addition, which is about 365 square feet of footprint, but
about 730 feet total because it's a two-story addition. And so it's uh the criteria for an F variance is whether or not the increased in building increase in building area can be accommodated on
the property. And I think the answer to that is is very clearly yes. We can easily provide the parking on the site. In fact, we've got excess parking as well. Um and we're able to accommodate the additional units with without much intensity as measured by the bedrooms
because again even though we've got two more units there's uh zero increase in the number of bedrooms on the property. But in addition and one of the one of the purposes for F is, you know, in addition to intensity, which I think is
addressed by the lack of increased bedrooms, it's also to try to control the building scale and massing. And one of the aspects of this application is the fact that our building addition is located entirely at the rear. And so I
don't think that there will be any indication that the building size has increased as a result of this application. As you and along the streets. It will simply uh look like a much nicer looking building, but the the sides will not uh the sideyard setbacks
will not be reduced as a result. And so moving on to the C variances, we have uh we have uh one uh C1 variance and that is for the existing front yard setback. Now, I do think it's a it's a dimminimous relief as we're
required 25 feet and we're at 24.49. But I I thought I would uh give the board some testimony. I think that's a C1 variance that with the extraordinary and exceptional situation uniquely affecting the specific piece of property. Well, I think that that is the
existing front building wall and that is the existing front yard setback. Um and so I think the the board can can easily find in favor of that. And I'm sorry, we do have a a second uh C1 variance and that is the uh also the
existing three-foot setback for the driveway that is on the northern property line. That's that driveway too is existing which I think qualifies as the exceptional situation uniquely affecting the specific piece of property. And while that driveway is
existing, the the building location is also existing and that would preclude us from, for example, moving the driveway significantly towards the center of the property uh as the building exists in that location. So for our last few variances,
it is the uh the impervious cover variance as well as the sideyard variance. for the sideyard variance. Um we have uh we are proposing we are exacerbating the existing undersized sideyard setback. We
are not getting closer to that southern property line. It's just simply extending further towards the rear. And I do want to be clear that while we're extending towards the rear, there's no variance for that. In fact, we have um about a 95 foot rear yard setback
compared to the 25 ft that is permitted. Also, in terms of uh compliance for the yards, the burough ordinance requires eight feet for which we have that 3.74 foot setback, but it's 8 feet for one and 20 ft for both. And we are very
close to that uh total sideyard. We have uh a proposal of 19.45 ft. So in total we are uh it is a dimminimous nonconformity but of course for the one sideyard of 3.74 feet I don't think
that's dimminimous for the 8t that is required but I think it's important for the board to consider the fact that um that sideyard deviation is not going to be visible from the street. So in terms of the public impact from the public rights of way right of way, I think the
the impact is zero because it's it's literally not visible. Um and if you think about the the purpose for sideyard setbacks, part of it is visual um from the street and and I've addressed that, but the other portion is to provide uh
light air and open space and to provide privacy to those residents or those homes that are located uh next door. And so in this case, while yes, we're going back approximately 20 feet to extend that undersized setback, I am pleased to
say that we're going to be able to provide a fence. And in directly uh uh adjacent to that building uh underside setback, we're not proposing activity. And so while while the building addition does extend to the rear along the
neighbor's property line, it's not necessarily going to bring activity closer to the sideyard setback. Activity from the from the residents that will be living there. And so I think that helps to address the the purpose of the sideyard setback um as well. And for the
imperous cover, uh the impervious cover, while we do need relief from that, it is that which facilitates our ability to to provide not only the required parking but also a little bit of additional parking. And I want to note that as we
have agreed to eliminate that 18 foot uh 18 foot width of the driveway that was addressed to that would have allowed two cars to pass. The result of us eliminating that is that the impervious cover variance will become a little bit less and the proposed cover will come down. Now I don't have uh an exact
figure. We'll have to to run those numbers, but the the application or the proposal that we submitted will certainly be less as we as we finalize our plans and we'll be able to to share that with the board if we do have to come back for final site plan or uh upon
resolution compliance. And so for these uh these two variances uh I think that both of these are in direct service of the use variance. they're in direct service of providing the parking for the residents
and for providing the the space for the building. And so as a result, I think the board can consider the uh the three three of the purposes of the municipal land use law that I cited before, which is purpose E that addresses promotion of
appropriate population densities. Purpose G that is to provide sufficient space for residential uses and of course purpose I which is uh to promote a desirable visual environment through creative development techniques. And for the same reasons that I cited for the
use variance, this is an appropriate location for multif family uses. And this application is just to put it simply, it's going to remove the it's going to eliminate the the eyesore that currently exists on the property. And so I think the board can find in favor of
of these C variances as well. And so for uh for the last part of the testimony, I'd like to I need to address the the negative criterias. And I I'd like to start with whether there's any substantial detriment to the zone plan. And I think the answer is no. And in
fact, as I look at your 2019 housing plan, I actually see a handful of goals and policies that are directly in line with our proposal. So for example, there I'm looking at the housing goals. There is a housing goal to uh provide a range
of housing types to meet varied residents population needs as well as to preserve established residential areas and I think we're in line with that as we're providing housing to help meet uh the housing needs in the the burrow as well as the region and we're doing so in
a way that is sort of a transition for the property. a transition from the much more dense multif family across the street and the single family zone that we're located in in the sense and I say that because we're able to accommodate the multif family units in a way that
maintains the building's single family character. Also, we have a goal, excuse me, a policy to uh to locate housing in selected locations within and around the central business district to stimulate business and retail activity beyond
traditional work hours. Like I said earlier, we're about a 4-minute walk from your downtown. So, I believe we're supporting that. Um, and we're also supporting a policy to increase opportunities for households to obtain satisfactory housing at a variety of prices. the by virtue of increasing
supply and providing new one-bedroom units, we're advancing that. And then, of course, the last policy that I wanted to site is to encourage attractive site appearance, consistency, and good design. And I think we're we're absolutely doing that as we eliminate this eyesore
um for the Medici test. And then I'll find I'll finish up with any substantial detriment to the public good for the M Medici test which is uh ask the board to reconcile the variances. I think the board can easily do that with this property because it is a very unique
site. It is the only property in the R2 district that has these conditions in the sense that is located across the street from multif family zoning and directly adjacent to mixeduse zoning. uh and so that unique location I think
gives the ability to to reconcile the variance that in addition to the fact that uh the other unique aspect of the site is the ability to add the units with uh with no change to the building massing from the street and so the last test is whether there's any substantial
detriment to the public good and I think the answer is is absolutely not in fact I think that this application will bring a benefit to the area by eliminating that isore being able to provide the additional units on the site with no additional intensity as measured by the number of
bedrooms. Provide more than the necessary parking which of course means that there will be uh none or or minimal at times impact to on street parking. We're not taking any demand. All of the demand can be satisfied on the site. And
of course, we're agreeing to make a number of changes to the site uh that are both reflected in our plans and we've agreed to today, such as uh well, just simply improving the look of the building so that it's and uh ensuring that's habitable, removing those trees
that are of a concern and and a potential safety concern to uh to the public, in particular to our neighbor, providing new plantings, fixing the fence, uh improving the lighting consistent with the the comments ments as well. Uh providing storm water
management on the site to make sure that there's no impact to the street and we're we're handling all of the runoff uh as as required. And of course, we've agreed to uh to the curbing that's requested and we've also made uh some other changes such as adjusting that
driveway width that I think I think is also going to benefit the appearance of the property. So given all of this, I think the board can find in favor. And in fact, a lot of what I've testified to and the reasons why I'm suggesting the board can find in favor are those very same reasons that
the board did so in 2018. I'm happy to answer any questions. No further questions for me. Any questions from the board? Any McManus? Any questions from the audience? I I I had one question, Mr. Chairman, Mr. uh M. McManus would be
your testimony that the treatment of the D1 variance that under the price versus AI standard that essentially all the including the other D variances would be subsumed under that. I do that is my
opinion. I don't often have a lot of boards that take me up on it. So I so I wanted to provide the testimony. But I do think by uh by virtue of that Price B humanity case, the board can find that they are subsumed. Right. I just wanted to, as I said, it'll be up to the board, but I wanted to make sure that
everything is everything is out there. Yep. Thank you. No further questions for me or uh Mr. Chairman, anybody from the board have any questions of Miss McFanis' testimony? I don't think so. Anybody from the
audience have any questions of testimony just given. Thank you. Mannis, you should have been here Monday when we unveiled our our housing element plan. I uh Mr. Cole gave me a little bit of information about I'm actually I
guess I'm a bit too much of a nerd, but I'm sorry I missed it. Thank you. Nice to see you, Miss McManis. Mr. Austin. Yes. In closing, let me say that we have an unfortunate situation here, a vacant building which everyone wants to see renovated and
restored to attractive building and property that fits with this neighborhood and becomes part of the burough house itself. My client is a builder and an investor. He bought this vacant building in 2016 and he wants to fix it up and turn it into four nice
onebedroom apartments. He got approval to do that in 2018 financing. He wanted to move forward but before he could satisfy all the conditions of his development approvals hit the approvals
expired. He had an obligation to constru to do that and approvals expired. So he has reapplied for it for those approvals and if those approvals are granted he is
going to move fast and satisfy any conditions of approval get a building permit and renovate this building. As you consider this application I'd like to point out a few things that the board found in
2018 that I think today. First, the proposed new dwelling will be aesthetically pleasing and will be an improvement to the street and will improve the housing stock of the bur. I would add that it is
an opportunity to add to the bur's housing stock in the location that supports downtown. Next, the proposed four family buildings will be consistent with the multif family character of this
neighborhood and the site can accommodate the proposed use and sufficient space will be provided to accommodate the increase in parking which is something and the site can accommodate the increase in because the overall number of
bedrooms in the building will remain unchanged therefore no substantial negative impact terms of test. Finally, I would say that this is an opportunity to eliminate a vacant
building from the burrow, one that I believe has been vacant for 15 years. Whatever. Thank you. Okay. Any comments from the audience? I had one more comment, Mr. Chairman. M
Mr. Oerman, if the board were so inclined to uh grant the application, it would be my recommendation that compliance with Mr. Cole's report be a condition of approval. I presume that will not be a problem for your for your
client. Yes. Very good. Okay. Okay, I have no further questions about that. Mike Cobber, the owner of 125 South Bridge Street. Um, my concern is like from the town, who determines if the building is
structurally sound? Code enforcement officer. I mean, sorry, the construction code for official. Okay. Excellent. The the designer behind you. So there's no it's all from his planning like or is there somebody from the town that designer takes responsibility? The
code enforcement say, "Hey, this looks bad." They can they can post it, right? But we're going to ask for code enforcement also ask for a designer to come and take a look at it and create a report or how to fix it because like that big X on the outside of it, that's pretty much saying that it's that the big X on the front of it says firemen do not enter, right? Because it's a hazard.
It's a major hazard. It means there should be nobody in there and it's not people risking their lives to go in, right? So, so since the firemen aren't allowed inside, if there was a major fire, surround the ground. So, somebody without the X and there's a major fire in that house, they're more likely to
put that fire out or make sure that it's safer for the community. But in a house with a big X, they kind of have to say, "Okay, yeah, it's well, it's a bigger risk to the homeowner next door to Okay.
Yeah. Okay. So, it's not a greater risk without the It's It's not a risk and it's more this it's telling us nobody's inside. That's what basically is that that's what it is. Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. No, I'm I'm very much looking forward to this becoming not a
liability, an asset to the community. Um, I'm just concerned that if it is approved or not approved, that the home will sit how it's been sitting for the past 15 years and that something could happen. Some of the walls can collapse.
I do have some pictures from the roof of my home looking at this home. So, I'm not sure if you guys will have access to that. So, if you'd like, could I submit these so the board could look at them because I know the back of the home, the second floor has dropped into the basement. Um, so
That's that's a structural issue of my but I am far from an architect. So they could they can be marked you're a member of the public be marked P1 you know this the set can be distributed to the board marked P1. Okay. And uh yeah you can
provide to provide it to the board secretary. You like to provide them to the counselor first. They can handle for a secretary. Yep. You can say anything you like right now. Go ahead. No, no. I appreciate that's it. And you know to the to the homeowner at one point, how many photographs are
there? How many? It looks like there's five pages. Okay. Five pages. And you took those photographs, correct? Very good. And they were taken a week ago. Okay. Yes. No, I am all for progress and I do want to see they can be admitted become what
you say it is, but these are just my concerns that if it is approved or not approved, it's going to be this condition and it's going to deteriorate and it's going to affect my home and the tenants in my house. So, and I just want to have that addressed because I've been complaining about this home since
2017 and nothing has been done. Can we see the photographs? Yeah, please provide those to the provide those to the board secretary, please. Yeah, I would go ahead and pass along. You have a multif family, too, sir? Yes, I do. 125 is a multi family. What do you
one two two family? I'm sorry. How many How many two two family or It's a two family, correct? Because it's in an R2 zone, non-compliant. That was my understanding when I bought the home. That is if it burned down more than 50% I have to build it as a single family home. Well, you can come to visit us. Yeah. Right.
It's a pre-existing non-conforming. Right. 75% of this town is a pre-existing Yeah. No, I know. My uh my attorney always tells me not to buy in Somerville, but I keep doing it. Your attorney is wrong. Mayor, former Mayor Kerwin will tell you
Somerville is the uh center of the universe and he has empirical data to prove that. Yeah. No, when I we started to look for investment properties and somebody told me about Somerville and I came here because we used to have investment properties in Jersey City. Um I really
saw the potential in this town before like S wasn't even built yet when I bought the first home and just watching this town explode. You guys have done a fabulous job. The place looks amazing. So yeah, we today get the streets not so bumpy. It'd be great. Yeah. Now,
compared to Hudson County, you're absolutely correct. I represent municipalities up there and it's Yeah, it's hard to keep it in control. Yeah, it was hard for me to keep my thumb on the properties in Jersey City, so we have to sell those. And then I live in Clinton right now, but we do plan on moving. I have two boys in high school
and they're almost done. So, we do plan on buying um in Somerville or moving into one of the properties we have in Somerville. So, it's it's an amazing town. As the former owner of your house, she really maintained it beautifully over the years. 125. And Mrs. Miss How love. Okay. Because then her I guess her
son owned it then because that she was single. She was the uh keyboardist in our church for many years. Okay. Yeah. It's a great area. It is. It really is. So I mean and again just my
other concern is having a home being 3 point Mr. Secret fourt just about four feet away from my home. So it's a concern. So the Ortiz still tenants of yours family. No.
Stay home right around the corner. So that's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else? Do have a one question for the architect. Refresh my memory about the roof. Are you going to keep it slate?
Probably not. Probably not. sort of comp. If anything, it's going to be a higher quality asphalt shingle with nice shingle. Again, there's a lot of pride here and it's
just taken, you know, thank you for your patience. No more comments, no more questions. Some would like to move to close the public portion of this application. Second. Move to second. All in favor? I
I What's your pleasure? I think it's a good idea. Can you talk about preliminary and come back? I threw out to the board should the board be inclined to approve it because of the aesthetics of the unknown
on the outside and the condition the basement preliminary. That way we come back for final and have the plans showing the stormware management showing the actual colors of the exterior to deal with the roof. Is it a timber line?
Is it a whatever the roof would be that the plans comply with the approval? Right. So the plans would not be since it's a use fairings that the border will be approving the actual facade. Not right now it's it's up in the air to a certain extent. Is there any way they
can get a permit to take down that portion roof look at the framing? Look at the building. I think they've got some study to do yet. Or am I wrong? I mean you alluded to that. I was in the building in 2019, right? The world came
down and now we're back here six years later. Yeah. If there's any way that that Mr. You can get a demo permit for that ship for that for that part of that framing system on the
125 that would not only put that neighbor's mind at ease but it would also give us a jump start on securing and you know eliminating any possible liability. So I don't know if there's any
any chair or the board council can have construction to be able to move forward. Mr. Chairman, I believe we could do that. Yeah, I I think the there's been a policy change. I think the construction
office will now issue demolition permits. Not construction permits, but demolition permits to address these needs. Well, it gets rid of a hazard or let's study the building, right? It'll address some of the neighbors concerns, get some of the hazards resolved, and
get the unknown clarified, the basement, utilities, the side, windows, and welfare and so and the like. So that hopefully the uh applicant should the board want to go this way in the final approval the plan submitted
would be exactly what's uh being constructed or proposed to be constructed as opposed to I I would sit here right now and say I have no problem with the use and as far as what they're what they're proposing the design issues or structural issues are something separate but they don't have the answers
either so we we got to get them to move on with that right and that's why I suggested preliminary approval approval being that he would have approval in place to go forward to do this and then the board would get the final product for what they're it's going to
the outcome of the investigations are. Yeah. Yeah. Usually the final is pretty for pro- fora but it does it does protect the uh frankly it protects the public welfare in case there's a uh any
kind of a change or variance if you will not not a variance as we understand under the MLU but if they don't comply with the uh approval then the board can hold it up. Yeah. For example, the I I see the exposed brick and it looks like
the building at one point has a garden state stucco on top of the brick. So, it's a brick stucco on top of brick and at least the rear it looks that way. So, the question is what is you take the stucco out, what color is the brick? What's the condition of the brick? Are they going to be able to restore the
brick as opposed to come back like a Hardy plank or some other facade that uh I I'm more comfortable with the use variance the actual facade the board seeing that as opposed to what ifs
what what is the timeline over here? Sorry. That's that's great. What what is the timeline uh that you think that could be accomplished in? It would be up to the applicant. The preliminary approval, I do believe, Cliff, it's good for two
years. Yeah. Without extensions. So the applicant would get a plary approval being the rights invested to a certain extent. That is correct. And then they could move at their own accord as long as as we talk that the building department would issue demolition for
permits allowing them the access to the building to take certain sections down to to to get the information that's needed, which I think is what the policy is right now from the building department. It would appear that the applicant is in a position to go because
financing is in place as I understand it. Yeah. And we could uh look at the storm water management could be revised the storm management on the plan so that we're one document with everything in front of the board in one package. But
it lets them get started, right? Yep. Correct. demolition. The trees are going to come out. They're going to come out. They should have come out years ago. They will a safety issue.
permit to remove the tree. No, there's also an old utility pole in the corner. It would be the So, he's got a lot of junk in the back. You got a old lot of timber and branches that are in the back. So, if we're going to allow
this, why don't we also have the tree down that stuff in the backyard so you can clean that up? That's a landscaping thing. That's not a construction. Oh, be a condition of approval that the that the trees be removed and the site
be cleaned up. Yeah. You know, would be cleaned up to the satisfaction of would it be Miss M uh Mr. Cole? So, how quickly can you get your landscaper over there to do the tree and the rem.
Okay. We've been waiting eight years. All right. The Artful Dodger. Hey, how do we do this? Well, it would be, if I may, it' be a mo
you you would have a motion to to uh provide preliminary site plan approval and Mr. Mr. Mr. Cole, correct me if if I miss anything. preliminary site plan approval, a use variance,
uh also the other Dvariances identified and the C variances identified and the waiverss uh and uh this would all be subject to uh condition of approval. The only
conditions of approval that we know of, we've already named one of them. One of them is Mr. Cole's report. The other one is that the trees will be removed and the site will be cleaned up and it will be exactly the term I would use for
cleanup. I'll come up with one, but the site will be cleaned up to the satisfaction of Mr. Cole. How about site preparation? Okay. Yeah, that's what it is. Cleaned up and prepared. And that would be, you know, that would essentially be your motion. I
just made that. Okay. I just wanted to I don't I don't want to dictate what the board It's the board's determination, but that would be the form and content of your motion. Are we include the curbing and the sprinkler? Oh, yeah. Everything in Mike's report. Everything that's in
Mike's report and uh that has been recommended by the board and the sprinkler, the sprinklering, and I don't know what that other item. Curving. Curving. Well, the curbing was a So, we're not going to grant the waiver. So, the curbing will be put in, but that's
they can do that, but after they build after Yeah. Right. Does uh does this conditional approval also require them to take care of the roof and the structural issues that are Well, it's not a conditional approval. It's it's an approval with conditions. Okay. Okay.
And a preliminary preliminary approval. I mean just to distinguish we have uh Mr. Chairman, this is one of those issues we where we can, you know, use it as a illustrative tool, but the preliminary is the key. the uh what the
applicant has to do is get everything in shape and if it when it presents the final site plans if the final site plans and this is specifically out of the statute. If the site plans match with the approval provided by the board and
the features agreed to and covenanted to by the applicant, the board can then grant final site plan approval. Right? If there are wrinkles with that, the board can also add conditions. Though in my experience, they generally are not
necessary, but the board still has some authority. What you normally end up with is a plan that's been thoroughly vetted that the board what you see is what's going to get built and you end up typically with a final approval with very few
conditions because it's all been taken care of during preliminary approval. So you have a very clean final approval. This should what the testimony here the envisioned uh work out in the field with the exploratory investigation once you have
the final you can issue a certificate of occupancy etc etc. You had talked about Hudson County. I mean a big controversy up there right now is that some boards and some zoning officers are granting certificate of occupancy on a
preliminary which is really not a very good thing to do but there's such a requirement for speed. I mean speed's important here but it's very clear the board and the interested public insist that you get this right in terms of
safety in terms of integrity all those things. That's going to be critical here. I I I I don't mean to speak for the board, but I believe that's what I've captured from hearing from from hearing from all of you. So, I mean, just for my clarification, so this preliminary
approval, can the conditions be that they take care of the fallen roof? Oh, yeah. That will be that will be in there. Okay. Okay. Yes, that'll be a condition of approval. Address the site safety issues and and prepare the site and and prepare the site for development
hazards. Okay. And u I can certainly reach out to the building department which I I don't think is an issue. They issue demolition permits or exploratory permits. Uh and I think you need a well I don't think it's in this case but if you if you do exploratory there's
actually a UCCC permit for exploratory investigation isn't there? They start demo they'll see. Right. Okay. So it's part of the demolition basically. Got it. I think that covers it all. Yeah, Eric, how do you feel?
Um, I think that it is uh to state the obvious, it's an improvement from what's there. Uh, I think that the use is uh it fits in with the neighborhood. Uh,
and I think this property is in desperate need of uh improvement. Um the safety concerns are paramount. So I would appreciate if the the applicant moves expeditiously on
this. Other than that, I mean uh I will I think that the preliminary approval is is the way to go because there's a lot of loose ends that we can tie up and then hopefully uh we can can approve it.
Yeah. I mean, uh, I think it's a go and I think this is the way to do it, to get it moving so everybody's happy. I think we need to see something happen and this is how you do it. Other than that, it works for me.
I concur with Brian and I think we need to move forward with it. It looks good. For some reason, everybody knows what I'm thinking. But I told you. Yeah. Well, at least I think. Try it once. But
it doesn't work too well. No, I think it's a good idea. I think it's time. It's overdue. And I wish it well. I hope it works. I like the plan. I hope by the next time we see the architectural renderings, that tree will be removed and
landscaping will be cleaned up. That was a big hint there, Morgan. I think it's it, you know, getting this place cleaned up is paramount. So, you know, no qualms for me. Uh, yeah. Uh, great idea. I think it's a
good plan. I think, uh, the way we're moving forward makes a lot of sense. Uh, the one variable that's been the issue all this time is time, right? So, if we could all move expeditiously forward with this, I think everyone is going to
be happy with the results. I don't like it. I like it and I don't like it. I like it because you're going to fix the property. Uh it's going to look nice. It's going to provide housing. I don't like it
because that area from second street down to down to fourth and fifth there's 12 multiple family or mixed use homes with this and sman everything gardens south bridge
gardens the neighborhood has lost its single family identity or is in the process of losing it almost at a point where is going to look at all the multiple family dwellings and say we should change this to R3 zone and then
all hell's going to break loose. Uh, one of the things I've talked about this property since the 2018 and I always envisioned some at least one or two of those apartments going to homeless
veterans or veterans out there. 000 veterans who sleep on the streets every night and veterans hope housing is very important. We find money for housing for other people veterans. So if you could think
about maybe reaching out to somebody and maybe putting a veteran in one of those apartments, I'd appreciate it. Other than that, I wish you luck. I've worked this walked this neighborhood for the last 63 years. as
that many times said, "When's he going to cut the grass?" It's gotten better, but there were times where that grass was over three feet high. And now we have a new code enforcement officer, so he makes sure it's taken care of. But I wish you luck
and I will support it now. So, someone like to move it? I'll move it. I'll second. Move a second. Any more discussion? Roll call, please. Chairman Adair. Yes. Ed Alllet, yes. Robera Carpinets, yes. Morgan McLaclin,
yes. Rich O'Neal, yes. Brian Vadimsky, yes. John Flores, yes. Eric Alvarez, yes, Gary. Good. Thank you for your time. Appreciate it. I will coordinate the preparation of the resolution with your office. I'll try to move certainly as quickly as I can because I know you
want to, you know, move this thing forward. Thank you very much. What's next? Um, Mr. Chairman, if we could rearrange the schedule to uh we can I think the
applicant for 122 bar team is here and there and uh she's requesting an extension while she comes up if I can uh indulge the board with the history here. The board thoroughly vetted this a few years ago. All right. This is a two
family on Bartine Street that dead ends part times. Bart times. Thank you. Um, excuse me. That there was an addition approved by the board and we discussed the sidewalks and uh the property has a
fence on the western side and we thoroughly vetted this and there's a detailed resolution to this and the applicant is asking for an extension for the approval. How long? Uh I don't I think it's how how long the
extension is going to be for for a year. Wouldn't it be But you're looking for another year or when do you think is this a 2025? You think you can start the construction this year? Yes.
recommend your name. Patricia, the microphone's still on. Just press it. It's hard to hear you. I'm sorry. I don't It's a bad connection. Right. Now, can you hear me? Yeah.
I'm sorry. What was the question? So, you you anticipate construction beginning this year? Yes. And you're comfortable. You're not asking for any amendments to the resolution. You're you go with the conditions. We we to be frank, we beat this up pretty good. We
thoroughly vetted this. You certainly did about what was this two years ago or three years ago? I think it was two years ago and it expired last year. Okay. And I actually went to the architect to ask him a question. He said, "Did your variance expire?" And I
know all the color ran from my face because I had no idea that the variance expired and he said you better run to the burrow. So here I am. You extend it. I I do. I I think she's I
should be one year. Should be one year. Should be one year at a time. Un unless unless more than a year has passed, in which case you can retroactively add a year, right? Um just to make sure whatever the
extension is to get her through the end of this year, whatever that would be, Cliff. Okay, that's two. So it' be it' be one two one-year extensions, right? You want to give them two? Well, I think I mean under the statute under the Right. I don't want to be in a
situation, Cliff, where you get an extension. It's only good for three months. I Oh, please don't. Right. All right. Well, I'll tell you. Well, we're gonna we're gonna be We'll make it We'll make it uh two one-year extensions in
one. Uh I I'm I I guess I'm honoring the statute in the breach a little bit. Technically, what we do is we do it one year at a time, but given the exe circumstances that Mr. Nicole has pointed out my recommendation would be for two one-year
extensions. Okay. I'm sorry. Right. Right. So when So when does it expire? I guess one year from now. It would be No, it would be the date of the moralization of it be two years from the date of the
memorialization of the resolution. Moralization was we're adding two one-year extensions. I think that was 23. So that would tip you into 25 where we are which is this year. We are well how how we do this we the
extensions can we say through December 31st? Yes one or two the extensions will be through the calendar year right and we'll make it work with the statute right cliff I will make it work so that you're covered for the 2025. Okay,
that's sure the board agree with that. We'll make it work with the same conditions on the resolution. It's just an extension of the resolution. We already had the testimony on this. We Right. Yeah. And we're not going to mess at all with the existing approval. It's
just carrying it forward. Right. Right. Okay. So, so it couldn't be I have this one question. Could it be a year from today if it's a one-year extension? I think the problem we're having The only problem I have is I know the contractor says he's very backed up and
he doesn't know if he could start. Well, you know, you could always get your permits. Get your permits. Oh, get the permits. Okay. It's not just that. Just get the permit. Right. Get the application construction permits into the Yeah. I'm a new at this. This is not No, this is not like the last applicant where it really lapsed. Yeah. For quite
a while. No, no, no. Okay. As long as I get the permits by the end of the year, then I'm good. Right. Okay. Submit your application permits. always tempest fugans this sooner the better.
So I uh make a motion to extend to the end of the year. Second move. Second. Roll call, please. Chairman Adair, yes. Ed Alllet, yes. Robera Carpinets, yes. Morgan Mccclaclin, yes. Rich O'Neal, yes. Brian Viddimky, yes. John Flores,
yes. Eric Alvarez, yes. Gary, thank you so much. You're welcome. I like your new dicks. We had to get a variance to come here. How long did it take? Two years.
Now I have to find my way back to my car. Um the rent is exorbitant in this place though. Annual report. Thank you so much. A year. Uh the other thing that's on the uh discussion you have the annual
report which is uh very similar to the previous years. It's like a shotgun for the town. There's no one district. Uh there is there I if you look at the residential zones including the P most
of the applications are in the residential districts and uh I don't I don't anticipate that changing because of the how hot the residential market is the additions the application we just
had here the 121s it's it's very hot residential market as the applicant said and I agree with it. Some of those a hot place to be. So, we are getting a lot of activity on the residential side and that's
reflected in the the applications that you see coming before the board. If you look at the map that Ryan put together, you'll see the colorcoded map. It's all over the place. So, it's not the PO only. There's no one zone. Part of this
doing the annual report was to try to bring to a light gleam if there's a glaring area like for R3 zone. It's just not working. If all the applications are coming from the R3, then that would spar
the conversation. Maybe there's something wrong with the B standards in the R3. But in this case, it's it's all it's kind of uniform throughout the burrow. And I you'll see that the numbers going back to ' 06. I just keep updating it so the board gets and the
planning board gets a copy of this to see where these the applications are arising from over the last almost 20 years. Um there's discussions that this year the planning board will be looking at
the ordinance. Yes. So, I'm sure the annual reports will be reviewed by the planning board and also the environmental commission was interested and they got a copy of the annual reports about three months ago. I provided them to give them an idea of
what's going on. Uh, so it's it's basically it's very consistent in my opinion for the last since 2006. I don't see anything huge change uh since 2006.
question Mike is and it's got to do with approvals but 2527 North Ball Street the old mill 6 West Cliff Hangman's Hill any movement on that 2527 is moving forward at a it's a slow
pace this six cliff the property has sold and there may be an application coming here for additional density we'll is the applicant came in, the new owner came in and said that they might want to
come seek some relief from this board. I don't I'm not sure the specifics. I'm sure that it'll come to light. Okay. So, um and 2527 is moving forward. So, um, I don't have a great insight
into this annual report because it's not nothing jumps out at you. So, it's it's very consistent with the ones in the past and we have seen this. There are some properties that are challenged with the size that's non-conforming as Ed
pointed out that some of these properties are non-conforming and it's in some aspects you could argue it's it's People want to stay here. They want more living space and you have the
additions a lot of activity which on the one and two families is in my view benefit. People are taking pride in putting back in the properties and additions and so forth. That's and speaks loudly of the the
burough. So that's a nutshell. I could stay on my soap box for a while on this, but I think you guys all know I it's the thing the thing it's it's most of you live in a town longer than I've been in a town. So it's I'm telling people that
officially uh rich down there. Someone's been around 20 years. He's like, "Honey, I've been around over 50. Don't even talk. Right. Don't cut them short." So I I I speak I think I'm I'm speaking sometime people that know a lot than I
do of the town. So, yes, it's not on this list. We really didn't act on it yet, but is there any noise or anything on Bell Avenue? Oh, actually, uh what we were going to have a
resolution of dismissal. We were asked to withhold it by our special counsel. There's going to be a meeting a week from tomorrow between all counsel and the planners. Okay. To uh try to see what can be done with this. You know,
there was a lot of uh there was a lot of I guess you could say tension in terms of what had occurred with the uh well what had occurred with the attempt to try to force this thing to be a uh default approval. But uh we're
we're going to have a meeting. uh we're going to try to find a way to uh you know maybe get this thing get this thing resolved in a way to keep it moving forward and uh the housing element and fair share
plan are just about done will be discussed next Wednesday's planning board meeting so uh the housing element's been updated so the numbers are amazing in terms of the growth and number of dwelling units and annual
income of the bureau residents. It's in the last seven years. It's amazing and it's from 2023 which is the most current data. So uh you'll if you I can certainly provide people members if you want a copy of the PDF but you have a housing
element then you have the fair share plan and um going back on it kind of doves tail into the annual report I is part of this is something called the present need which is a fancy way of saying rehab it's part of the fair share
that you have to address the rehab component And DACA's magic formula said that there was a substandard housing being lacking plumbing, lacking full kitchen of 103 units in Somerville. Upon
doing the windshield survey, which is part of the rules that you were allowed to do, which is just a visual survey from the street of three sides of the structure in this criteria, uh the number went from 103 to 27. And the 27 was conservative because
I wanted to take out applications in front of the board. 106 vets. I thought that they should not be counted because they're going to be demoed. I was told to be ultra conservative and count them. So the 27 is still on the conservative side. You could make an argument it
should be 24, but that's how well the burrows do. I've I did the spiel on Monday that I've never I don't think the burrow's ever looked as good in the last 20 years in terms of the residential housing. people taking pride investing. You don't have a lot of properties in
the bureau which are challenges and I that's just amazing. So you have a a present need going from 103 to 27 which is the rehab that the burough will address and then you have the fair share which is the anticipated
housing to be built in the next 10 years which is from July of 2025 to July of 2035. That's correct round four terminology co-op which is no no longer there but the rules are. What about the application we just heard? There's four
dwelling units or two dwelling units, however you count it, that definitely were substandard. Is that in that county? It there is a development fee ordinance. It's not in the book yet, Rich. I had a conversation with the planner with that and she asked me the
same question and I said technically I would put it in the report, but we don't have the development fee ordinance on the bookshet and we and the redevelopment attorney is saying you really can't collect it until that's correct. Share plan has been uh deemed
compliant by the DC and the fair housing fair. That's correct. So it's in the works to answer. Was that building in the survey? I'm sorry. When they were counting buildings that need needed rehab, was that building counted? Yes. I didn't want to count it because it's a
board action. So, you're not dealing with the idea of the rehab is you're dealing with uh people that need help. My argument was they're here to rehab this. They don't need financial help. They're looking for.
But I was instructed that you don't know what the outcome's going to be. You don't know what's going to be built. Anything that's challenged, keep it in. Even if it's in front of the board, keep it in. So that this project was kept in. So when it gets fixed, presuming it's
going to get fixed, how do you how do you erase that number? How do you get It's very hard to rich. Um but if you did the math, it's less than 1.4. You say it's one, but it's not
I don't think it's worth the uh the amendment in the future. What it is is a snapshot in time. So this number is always going to change. If I did the same survey three years from now or six months from now, I might get a different number. Okay. Uh basically, I think the
numbers are going down, down, down because of how hot Summerville is and people take pride and just makes financial sense to rehab because the values are just wow. Wow. It's a big wow
moment. At least from obviously Rich, you could say that's not the case. In 1970, you look better. I'm not arguing that. I'm not gonna say that. Okay. I'm saying in the last 20 years I've been around, I've never seen the burrow. If you just drive the streets
and take a look at all this, it's just amazing. I had a conversation with Gallagher a couple years ago, and he he was almost getting ready to defend himself. I said, "This is not the same town I grew up in." He's looking at me like, "What's your problem?" It's better. Exactly. This town was some
pretty nasty portions. Main Street was a slug and it's definitely changed. I mean, it's it's just not the town I grew up in. So, once the this is done, the housing element is through and up, but then the planning board, I've been told that it's
going to be looking at the redevelopment zones, the master plan, and the land use. So that's all up and coming to refresh everything because just so the board knows most of the redevelopment work redevelopment plans were done
between 99 and 2010. So they're getting a little long in the tooth. Y and maybe it's time to look at some of these zones like for example Kirby Avenue redevelopment zone. It's all developed except for one property. We still the questions that are going to be coming
up. Is it still valid that it's a redevelopment area? Yes. Should it be something else? Are the uses town's changing? It's growing. Keeping up with the zoning, the master plans and the redevelopment areas to make sure that it
keeps up with the next 20 years. So, that's all coming and it's hopefully the fair share plan is out of here by next month. We can only hope. The plan is it's going to the planning board for the housing
element which is part of the plan. So the planning board's going to review that next Wednesday. The fair share is the purview of the council and that's going to be going to council in June. Then from council hopefully then within
48 hours, correct? It gets kicked to DCA for endorsement and that might take a while. Yeah, it could take a long while. In the meantime, the time frame on we had talked about the DCA approval. How long do you think
that would take? I that's a good question. Well, it's a it's a it is it's a difficult question because there you know obviously first of all this is an election year. Uh but
also uh there's a lot of a lot of municipalities are are wrestling this thing all over the place. One would hope that we would they would move on us expeditiously because you know we're kind of ahead of the curve but I mean
would it be six months? It I I I I wouldn't say anything less than six months. I think the statute says that the overall plan once approved the bureau has until February of 2026. That's correct. To get the ordinance in
place. We're ahead of it being development fee ordinance which is for you have developments less than five units. There's a development fee ordinance that's already I already drafted it. The council's already looked at it. And there's an inclusionary
ordinance that captures anything that's not in the fair share of you identify the fair share plan. Anything that's not identified, if you're doing more than five units, for example, residential, right? Then you have an obligation. So, you're going to in the future, I know
you guys don't like long reports, but I'm going to have to put a paragraph on the impacts of future applications on the fees so they're aware of it during deliberations that there's going to be a financial or an obligation that needs to
be addressed. No, that's that that's fine. I I I only said six months because it's not in any statute or any NJ uh NJ regulation, but it's I'm just giving from a practical standpoint from the
towns I'm work other towns I'm working with. Uh I mean it won't be two weeks or something. Uh they they don't move very fast. They never have. Okay. And I and I presume we're going to have our development fee ordinance. We
have, you know, we're g has that been has that been adopted or is that we've talked about it for a while. It's been the council's introduced it for the first reading. Okay. And it hasn't been second and that's within the next couple of weeks. It will be adopted. And once
that's on the books, yeah, you should be putting that in your reports. I I just So you will see another section. I know. Another section. I know. I know, but I we're going to have to bring that up on applications. And just so everybody knows, the one and two family the
additions are all exempt. So this is not going to get caught up with people trying to improve their property, right? You're not going to have a development equalized assess 2 and a half% of how it's done or one and a half% correct
what it is. And it's clear that essentially it's density. If you're going from a one proposed three bed free apartment, yes, you're going to have it. But if you're doing an addition or improvements to your single family, you're not increasing density, you're
exempt. I want to make that clear so we're not whacking everybody in the head who owns a park piece of a residential property here. So that's next Wednesday, but the plan is done. So if any I can get a PDF, it's it's sixmeg, so it's
emailable. It's not some crazy thing. And uh did the mapping on it. So, and you see the flood plane mapping and the flood hazard and it talks about vacant land analysis and you'll basically see that as we all know the burrow is 98%
built out. There's only one parcel that's high and dry not in the flood plane or wetlands that can be developed being only one in the whole burrow. That's most of you know where it's on
a The only reason it's vacant, it used to be a a magnificent, I would say, house there up until what, seven, eight years ago? Something like when they tore it down, right? Okay. But
yeah, but part of that's wetlands. It does, but there's still over three acres of high and dry property there. Five acres. I there's an application that the fees aren't right that currently if the fees
are right. Yes. The answer to your question is there's been an application has dust from about five months that the fees aren't right. So it's not logged in the system but there has been a submitt that currently will come in front of
this board. right there. You got it, Eric. Large property. You have the right to walk the site. It's not a question. In every uh development application we give we make the uh applicant provide
that permission. So someone tells you otherwise well let me know because that's a that's an issue. When I say vacant the rules say more than 83 acres. So there are some small lots like the infills sometimes we see that. So don't
hit me in the head in six months. Cole said 21 lot more than I should say more than 83 acres. We never hit you in the head. in the in the Kirby Avenue redevelopment and and I think that will be looked at the the concerners or the making sure
what the plan was put out in ' 07 in terms of what the burough wants is still valid. uh maybe some of these redevelopment plans should be amended and that's what the whole thing is going to be uh geared
towards a different uses just to make sure it's keeping up in the next 20 years because like the ECB the Eastern Central Business District I think that was originally predates me 99 or 98 that came out for example the West Main
Street it was 2003 I did the amendments I'm just giving you an idea idea that these plans are some of them are getting old. So the burrow wants to look at them and make sure the uses and if the whole area is re redeveloped.
I mean why is it a redevelopment zone? If it's all there's a you know should it should be a redevelopment area if it's all redeveloped. That's the stuff that's going to be discussed because the burough has four redevelopment.
50 Kirby Kirby Avenue uh ECBD West Main Street. Right. So, we have the four areas, but the question is, do you need four areas? Where where is everyone? It's just looking at this again because it's been on the low end 15 years on the high end over 20 over 2025 on some of
these areas. So, this is all good stuff. Nothing's in stone. It's just reooking at everything. And uh you're all invited I'm sure if you want to come to the or I give you the save the time I give you the PDF
the PDF right so I'm so Ryan can Ryan has a copy of the PDF on the housing element fair share plan at six meg so we a lot of stuff happening a lot of really good stuff really good stuff but you
know and bvenue I'm cautiously optimist istic we can get it moving in the right direction. We've been we've been standing firm in our position on that. I don't think that's hurt. They expected us
they just expected us to roll over. Well, it's look it I go back just I encourage everybody bike, motorcycle, take cruise around town. It's just looking really good. Yeah, because just a good walk, right? A good walk. A good
walk. I can walk from that house over there to Main Street in four minutes. Yeah. Listen, don't take your ability to walk for granted. Take a good walk. I walk every day.
Oh my god. And if you ever sit in that chair, the monitor spooks you out. Okay. I'm sitting over there. Oh, that's funny. In front of council and it looked like it had like baby oil on my head. I I never thought my head was so shiny, right? I'm sitting there saying, "Oh my
god, it looks like I got I like it looked like I had baby oil on my head. I stopped." It freaked me out. You can't That camera right there. You can't look into it. Just freaks you out if you're in that seat right there alone. I'm looking there saying, "My god, am I
that bold and shiny?" We didn't want to tell you, Mike. Art's behind me saying, "Yeah, you are. Anything?" Ryan, anything else? Quick question. Does anybody know if they won't be here for June 4th? I won't. Say we got one. I
don't know yet. I won't be here for June 18th. Okay. That's I'm away that week. I'm trying to figure out if we're going to have a quorum or not. And if the next day will be here, so we got one. Okay. We have two meetings in November and
December. Depends on what the uh depends on what we have. Yeah. I just wonder because I remember we talked about that last year, you know, in terms of an extra meeting in December. Yeah. Because it always falls before Thanksgiving, right? I just want to I just want to
note that the Nicks Knicks are up 75 to 72 in the third quarter. Uh make a motion to adjurnn. Move second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Okay.