She was here. >> Welcome. Welcome everybody to the South Miami City Commission Tuesday, July 21st. We're going to go ahead and get started. Please uh silence your cell phones. Um, madame city clerk, can you please call
the role? >> Yes. Vice Mayor Corey, >> present. >> Commissioner Rodriguez >> here. >> Commissioner Bonish >> here. >> Commissioner Cay >> here. >> You have a quorum. >> Thank you very much. And if everyone could uh join me for a moment of silence followed by the pledge of allegiance by Commissioner Cay.
Commissioner Cay of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. I can help you. It'll be like an Euima
moment. >> I said I said hug it. >> Yeah, hug it. >> Oh, yeah. Hug it. >> Good. >> All right. So, uh I uh next up is public remarks. I don't know if everyone had a chance to fill out the sheet in the back of the room. Um when I call your name,
if you could just uh come up to the podium, uh give your uh address, please. One moment. >> Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> Thank you very much. Uh, first up is Reynold Martin.
>> Welcome, Reynold. >> Good. Thank you. >> You might have to turn the microphone on. >> No, wait. They'll do it for you. All right. Yeah. Uh the issues coming up on the agenda when when you're talking
about the Felma Gibson Health Initiative, if I can reserve comments when that comes up. >> I think that's okay. Yeah, we we'll call you back up when the initiative >> I think it's just a presentation, >> right? So, they won't be able to >> Okay. Well, it is a presentation, so
it's going to be on the uh it's going to be coming up soon. So, if you'd like to speak, you could um speak now. Sorry about that. >> No, I'm I'm Ren Martin. I'm with the Health Facilities Authority appointed by you guys uh several years ago and uh an
issue came up where Baptist was able to provide the commission with the authority to help organizations like the Delma Gibson Health Initiative who you know who has been responsible to to members of our community and Coconut Grove community for folks that don't
have access to to the kind of services that that they provide. And I I felt that this would be an excellent opportunity for the commission to help an organization like Delmare Health Initiative to do the kind of things that they're doing. But but I'm sure they'll be better able to tell you what they do because they are here this time and
let's hope that you guys, you know, treat them favorably because they're a great organization that do great work. Thank you. >> Thank you very much, Reynold. [clears throat] Next up is uh Darren Rizzo. Um, Vice Mayor, I think I think there's two names
uh that are on there. Mr. Rizzo, Mr. Borbano. They're they're both here independently. One is insoft and one is UDP. Mr. Probano is here. >> They're here to speak on F4. >> Okay. So, >> so I think we can bring them up when those presentations are come up.
>> Okay, great. We'll we'll uh reserve your comments for the presentation. when when the present when f when the presentation comes up, we'll have you come up here. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> And uh there's one more name down here. I'm I'm probably going to butcher it. I
can't quite see. I think it's Sash Sasha. Oh, >> okay. Great. So, we'll call you up at at that time. All right. Thank you very much. Is there anybody online? >> Anyone on Zoom? Please raise your
virtual hand if you would like to speak. No. >> All right. Great. Thank you very much. Uh so that'll close public comments and if we could uh move into uh the first presentation, please. I believe uh uh city manager, you're you're taking this
one. >> Yeah. Employer quarter. We're going to have uh Wendy, our HR risk manager, uh present on this item. do a much better job than I would. >> Good evening everybody. Um, this is my first one presenting and it's kind of
perfect that I get to do this. I know Sam uh the deputy city manager really wanted to be here. She nominated our employee of the quarter for the second quarter. Uh, Francesca [applause] going to go ahead and read her comments. So many of you on the commission have
worked on initiatives with her. She consistently demonstrates exceptional organizational skills, initiative, and follow through while managing a diverse portfolio of projects. Her responsibilities span mayor and city commission initiatives, transit and
transportation programs and audits, the city's composting discussions, and each requiring coordination across multiple stakeholders and competing deadlines. Her attention to detail, responsiveness, and commitment to seeing initiatives through to completion have
resulted in meaningful progress on several key city priorities. And uh deputy city manager says she's a consistent go-to person for her. So, congratulations. Um I present you the certificate for the employee of the quarter. And I'll let you speak.
>> [applause] >> Everyone asked if I was going to speak, so I felt pressured to write something. [laughter] >> Um, good evening, mayor, commissioners, leadership, and community members. I prepared a few remarks because I tend to ramble when I'm nervous, and I really don't want to get our CFOs rapid
upstairs. I'm truly honored to be recognized this evening. First, I'd like to thank everyone who's asked me to prepare a comparison table in in Excel because, as you may or may not know, I genuinely love tracking data and Excel formatting. But in all seriousness, I'm incredibly
grateful to be recognized by by our department heads as the employee of the quarter. A few years ago, after the pandemic changed many factors in all of our lives, I never imagined I'd find myself in a professional role where I not only love coming to work, but I also feel challenged, supported, and given
ample opportunity for growth. I'm especially grateful to our deputy city manager and our city manager for their guidance, encouragement, for their guidance and encouragement. They've been incredibly supportive and have already taught me so much. I also consider myself very fortunate to work alongside our mayor and commissioners. Your
passion for this community is contagious. Getting to help move your initiatives forward and to see the impact they have on our residents has been one of the most rewarding parts of this job. I'd like to dedicate this award to my grandmother who passed away in December. She was a trailblaz a trailblazer in public service in her
home country and dedicated her life to making her community and country a better place. This award feels even more meaningful because at the beginning of this year was personally one of the hardest seasons of my life after losing her. I told myself quarter 2 was going to be my comeback season. Like one of
those um underdog movies from sports that I feel [laughter] like assumes imitates real life. As I approach my one-year anniversary with the city at the end of this month, receiving this recognition today is something I didn't even realize I needed. It has made this milestone even more meaningful. I hope
my grandmother is looking down and proud that I'm following in her footsteps of public service. I'm truly humbled and deeply grateful. Thank you all so much. And finally, the mayor told me to be brief and brilliant. So, I hope I nailed at least one of those. [applause]
>> Thank you. Uh, can you come up for a picture, please? >> Oh, yeah. Hold on. I want to picture two. [applause] Thank you very much. >> And we're doing the proclamation now to
>> Good evening everyone. I apologize for my tardiness. So we are on proclamation from there. Perfect. So today we want to honor a relatively new restaurant here in South Miami which certainly is one of my favorites. um which is mana.
>> You too, mayor. >> You too. Fantastic. Uh so I'll I'll briefly read the proclamation. We'll ask you guys to come up to be recognized. Uh whereas the city of South Miami proudly recognizes the outstanding achievements of local businesses whose commitment to excellence enhances our quality of life,
cultural witness, cultural richness, and economic vitality. And whereas mana located in the heart of South Miami has distinguished itself through its innovative interpretation of authentic Italian cuisine, exceptional hospitality. Probably repeat the authentic and exceptional Italian
cuisine and unwavering dedication to culinary artistry. And whereas the Michelin Guide in is internationally regarded as one of the world's most respected authorities on fine dining. And whereas Maliba has earned the distinguished honor of being recognized as a Michelin recommended restaurant, an achievement that reflects the talent,
passion, and dedication of chef Marco Jiuliano and restaurant ownership and the entire team. And whereas the city of South Miami applauds Mona for serving as an ambassador of excellence whose accomplishments inspire our business community and bring pride and distinction to our city. Now therefore,
I Javier as Mayor along with my colleagues, city commission vice mayor Brian Corey, Commissioner Leonich, Steve Kaya, and Danny Rodriguez who hereby proclaim today, July 21st, 2026, Mano L. Congratulations. >> Yeah, please take the podium.
>> I want to just say something. >> You got to give us your name and address for the record. So, sorry. >> I didn't prepare any any speech. So, uh, unfortunately, Marco, Chef Marco is not here. He's cooking right now. So, uh, I
will just say thank you. It's an incredible honor for us to be here. And, um, we are very proud to serve this beautiful community. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you. And, and for those who don't know the restaurant, can you tell us a bit about the menus? I know my favorite
is walking in and asking him to basically come up with a menu on the spot. Uh, so can you share a little bit about the dining experience for those who may be listening, haven't been, and may want to check you guys out. >> Yeah, of course. Um, the menu is all
about an Italian tradition. We decided to uh make it a little bit more modern. So, the idea at first was to to bring a a nomacaza style. So something that is always different every night and is
always up to the chef. So nobody's know beside beside him what's going to arrive at the table. So of course we take care of allergies or put restrictions. We are not here to kill anybody. [laughter] >> Thank you for that. Yes, we appreciate it. >> And is is a fun way to to
[clears throat] think about dinner. So, we decided to go this way to to make it a little bit more personal and and difference from from the regular restaurants. So, yeah. >> Yeah. Well, I if you've not been, highly encourage you to go. It's a fantastic
dining experience. The food is as good as any in this community and certainly the attention and detail, the staff, the service is again among the best that uh certainly we have in South Miami say anywhere in Date County. So, thank you for investing in our small city and
anchoring that very nice space in, you know, certainly one of our, I think, favorite streets here in South Miami. >> Thank you, sir. >> Congrats again. >> Let's do a picture. Yeah. >> [clears throat] >> Okay, Commissioner Rodriguez, I think you had the next presentation, which is F3 for the Thelma Gibson Health
Initiative. Do you want to kick us off? >> Jordan, the floor is yours. Jordan, when you start, please your name and address for the record. Thank you. >> Uh, my name is Jordan Thomas, director of operations at TGHI, Thelma Gibson Health Initiative. Just want to say good
evening to the mayor, commissioners, officials. Um we're TGHI is a nonprofit health and human services um organization in Coconut Grove serving the greater Miami as well. And tonight I'm here to share
with you who we are, the work we've been doing right here in South Miami, and why your partnership through the Health Facility Fund matters to the seniors of this community. Our work begins with our matriarch Thelma Vernell Anderson Gibson, RN,
civil rights activist and registered nurse who dedicated more than 50 years. Thank you. I appreciate that. 50 years to advocating for the underserved residents in Coconut Grove and beyond.
We lost her this past February. Her legacy is not a memory. It is the work that we do every day and it is why we we are standing here before you tonight. So, a little bit about us. TGHI was
founded in 2001 and has spent 24 years delivering health and human services to the most vulnerable residents of Coconut Grove and the greater Miami, including city of South Miami. Our team includes master level counselors, case managers,
and health navigators. Certified professionals committed to serving the people who are often who often have no one else to turn to. [snorts] And uh before I go further, I want to speak directly to the commission's history with TGHI.
In 2001, Commissioner Bethl formally invited our organization to serve the seniors of South Miami and the CRA. We accepted that invitation, and we have never left. For 24 years, South Miami seniors have been our seniors. Over 100 elderly
clients, ages 75 and older, are being served by TGHI at the South Miami Senior Center on Southwest 62nd Avenue right now. We are not a new organization asking to enter this community. South Miami
invited us and we have been a consistent accountable presence ever since. TGHI serves residents across all life stages. Tonight, our focus is on the elderly program, but I want this commission to see the breadth of what
TGHI delivers across the community. From youth workforce readiness to senior health navigation, every program is built around the same principle. Connecting people to resources they can thrive
so that they can thrive. Excuse me. And uh this is here's what we do for the seniors of South Miami specifically. We help them apply for and renew SNAP, Medicaid, Medicare, Golden Passport, and STS transportation.
We connect them to home health aids through United Home Care. Also providing them free mental health therapy and general counseling, specialized support tailored to the challenges of aging that most providers
are not equipped to offer. We schedule their medical appointments, review their mail, guide them through their budgets, and assist through social security hearings. We do not just refer to them refer them
somewhere else. We stay with them until the job is done. [clears throat] And if you look at the screens, it's a step-by-step process of documentation navigating their benefits and at the very end guiding them through health and
wellness. Additional services are also digital literacy workshops, uh, as I mentioned before, budgeting, mail review, and whatever service that they need help being guided through. TGHI operates at three service locations
serving nearly 300 elderly clients in total. The South Miami Senior Center is right here in your jurisdiction. Over a hundred of your residents ages 75 and older depend on TGHI every week. And if you look at one of those
pictures, it [clears throat] shows Oh, sorry. I'm on the wrong one. Going there. And then our hurricane preparedness. I want to show the commission something that happened right here in South Miami just two weeks ago. In partnership with FPL and the Florida Council of Aging and
United Home Care, TGHI distributed over 300 hurricane preparedness meal kits to elderly residents at South Miami Senior Center. These are residents of South Miami seniors ages 75 and older. Many living alone without any family to help them
prepare. and we made sure they were not forgotten when hurricane season arrived. >> TGHI does this without waiting to be asked. And with the support of the Health Facility Fund, we will be able to reach even more elderly residents across your
community when they need most. And this is going over where we serve. South Miami serving over a hundred of the elderly clients. Stirrup Senior Center in Coconut Grove over 100 as well. And Gibson Plaza Apartments in Coconut Grove also serving 80 and
additional elderly clients. And the results of this work is measurable. In 2024, TGHI served over 300 elderly clients. more than a hundred of them right here in South Miami, specifically the South Miami Senior
Center. 85% report improved care coordination after working with us. Three and four participate in group social activities, which is a direct response to the isolation that drives cognitive and physical decline in this age group.
So tonight I am respectfully requesting a contribution of $200,000 from the health facility fund. These funds will be directed towards four areas. staffing the case managers and health navigators who deliver hands-on service at the
South Miami Senior Center, expanding our mental health therapy and genderological counseling capacity, identifying and enrolling isolated seniors in the CRA who are not yet connected to us and sustaining the programming and
outreach, including the hurricane preparedness that keeps our seniors safe and supported. And I'm happy to provide a full budget breakdown in writing if anyone would like to see. In conclusion, South Miami invited TGHI
into this community 24 years ago. This contribution would honor that invitation and ensure the seniors of South Miami continue to receive the care and dignity they deserve. I welcome any questions and I'm grateful for this commission's time and consideration.
Thank you, >> Jonathan. Thank you for your comments. Uh, Commissioner, you want to kick us off in terms of questions? >> Thank you. Uh, no. As far as questions and all that, I've I've already had my conversation, so I I leave it open to you guys to ask.
>> Any questions, colleagues? I'm happy to take it in any order you guys like. I've got a couple questions, but you probably asked the same ones, so I'll let you have the floor. >> When you say you're currently in our city, you provide the hurricane preparedness. What else are you doing
with our seniors? And how is that getting funded? >> We're currently funded through u City of Miami County and other um private organizations that fund this. And we have care coordinators who are at these
locations um around the clock, Monday through Friday, helping these seniors um by appointment, by walk-in uh for anything they need. They walk them through um all their, like I said, the documentations, benefits, really just
see where they're at and what they need. >> Thank you. >> Further questions? >> Yeah, mayor. Go ahead. >> You're recognized, sir. >> Thank you. um you were able to provide some documentation based on budgets and all that. So I think that the only issue
that I see for a $200,000 rec uh it's not recurring, right? It's a one time >> Yes. >> fund and you're staffing, right? So we staff only for one year or I don't know how long that will last you. I think I just want to see that like what what your plan is. What's your your plan for the 200,000 so I can understand it
better and kind of make a decision based on that. I do know that we'd have other opportunities that we need to look at as well. So there there should be a decision process while while we go through that. Uh we have the you know we have multiple different health facilities that probably need some fixing up and doing that as well. So
please send that over to us maybe through the clerk and she'll distribute that too. No problem. >> Appreciate Cory Mayor. Excuse me. >> No worries. I'm going to echo the same thing as Commissioner Cay. think we uh have some decisions to make on on the
allocation of those funds and I think having more detail on it will only help that. It's a it's a good time for us to be talking about this. It's during our budget season, but it'd be great for us to see that. >> Happy to provide it. No problem. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Again, thanks for the presentation.
Again, anything that um has Miss Gibson's name on it, you know, deserves our immediate respect and attention. She she's um I mean, she's an icon in this community. So, we're grateful for the services you guys have been offering. I think just as part of that the information that you'll send over, if you could just kind of let us
know again what's the annual cost of serving South Miami residents currently, um how that's being funded funded, what the scope of work is under whatever grant agreements you have, so we can figure out, you know, how if we were to make a commitment, you know, on what terms basis and how it complements some
of the other existing funding. One of the challenges we have, as Commissioner Kai mentions, is ours is a a onetime grant. I'm not sure whether there are assume there are limitations we can use that funding for. We can get into that at another point in time. And we do have another very important um institution
here in South Miami that we are the owners of the building that they're in as well and it does have some capital needs that we're aware of. So, we'll be probably trying to vet this request against those needs as well. But appreciate very much uh what we can do and anything we can do beyond helping,
you know, out of this pot. Let's get together and chat and see how we can support the work you're doing currently. >> We appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you for your time. >> Okay, let's move to item F4, please. So, colleagues, this is a a a quick uh update on discussions about um
opportunities for waste diversion or waste handling at our public works shard. You'll recall that we put out an RFP uh earlier this year. Uh fortunately unfortunately it came back with no responses uh before I've gotten these two
proposers have sent in sent me information which I wanted to share with all of you. Uh but before we went on embarking on a very long analysis and possible negotiation of an agreement with either party as we have in the past, I know we've gone down this road
before and unfortunately ended up without any tangible results. So I want to make sure number one, there was a willingness to engage in this conversation. I've shared with both parties, whatever we do cannot be contingent upon a commitment of the county's future waist stream, right?
since that was the issue that kind of bogged down our last negotiation with uh the prior um proposer and uh wanted to, you know, have you hear from both parties that have submitted a desire to have a direct negotiation now that the
solicitation is over. um get a sense of the proposals, ask some questions, and then we can kind of close after brief presentations and questions and maybe give staff some direction as to whether or not we want to proceed with discussions uh or further vetting of both proposers of both proposals, excuse
me. So, that's kind of the intention of tonight's discussion or presentation item. I was going to give, if you guys have an objection, both parties about seven minutes to present their concepts and then we can have a short Q&A with each proposal or proposer. And I was going to call up just just consistent
with the order on the agenda in softell first. I think Christian Burbano is here. Uh good evening. If you can come to the podium, introduce yourself and your team, we'd appreciate it. Uh we'll hear from him, have some Q&A, and then we'll follow that up with uh UDP logistics, which is the other interested
party, and um ask them some questions, and maybe close with a brief conversation. Is that okay? >> Yep. >> Okay, Mr. Babado, the floor is yours. Thank you. Can you hear me? >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. My name is Christian Morano. Um,
good Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the commission, city cler, city manager, city attorneys, and all the distinguished guests here. Um, normally I would be presenting this uh initiative. Uh today I will be reading
my initiative just to be sure that I'm gonna stay with the within the time guidelines and um be sure that I'm going to be accurate with the numbers that I'm going to show you guys today. Okay. >> Thank you. >> So thank you for giving us the
opportunity to present our proposal today. We are here because we believe South Miami has an opportunity that very few cities have. the opportunity to transform one of its largest operating expenses into a long-term source of
revenue without requiring to the city invest its own capital. As you know, every city must manage municipal solid waste. Traditionally, there have been three primary approaches. Landfills, incineration, and
waste to energy facilities. While le has served an important role, they all share one common characteristic. They are expensive and they rely on gate fees. In Miami date county, that gate fee is
approximately 76 $76 per ton. In other words, under the traditional model, waste is viewed as a cost. Some Miami generates approximately 30 tons of municipal solid waste each day. While that presents a real challenge, it
also presents an opportunity. Conventional waste technologies were designed for much larger municipalities, making it difficult to justify the enormous capital investments they require for a city of South Miami's size.
But what if waste wasn't simply something to dispose of? What if it become became an economic asset? That is exactly what our waste to value platform is designed to accomplish. Rather than treating municipal solid
waste as something with a disposal cost, our technology converts it into a high value industrial feed stock known as a renewable solid hydrocarbon. We're going to give you guys an example of the hydrocarbon. This material has a strong and growing
demand in global markets because it can be used in the production of hydrogen, biodiesel, sustainable elevation fuel and other renewable energy products and not traditional waste facilities that depend pime primarily on charging
gate fees to remain profitable. Our model creates value from the commercialization of the renewable product itself. That allows us to lower disposal costs while remaining economically competitive a benefit for both the city of South
Miami and I'm sorry to interrupt, but are we are you advancing the the presentation the PowerPoint? Does he have the clicker? >> Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. >> Just so we know we're on the right page. There we go. So I have been I have like an speech here and this all in the in the in the
presentation. >> We have the handouts as well, but I just want to make sure we're following along and >> Okay, got it. >> Thank you. So unlike the traditional waste facility that depend primarily on charging gate fees to remain profitable, our model creates value from the commercialization of the renewable
product itself that allowed us to lower disposal costs while remaining economically competitive, a benefit for both the city of South Miami and every third party customer we can serve. This changed economics completely. Instead of generating revenue by
charging higher disposal fees, our model creates value by producing a marketable commodity that is the the hydrocarbon. Okay, the numbers are compelling. Our proposed facility has an
estimate capital cost of approximately 55 million compared to approximately 400 million for a conventional waste to energy facility. Once operational, the project has the potential to generate up to 25 millions
in annual revenue because revenue generated through the commercialization of renewable solid hydrocarbon and waste processing. We can offer gates fees we can offer gate fees approximately 50% lower than those currently available in Miami date
county. That reduced gate fee creates a significant competitive advantage. It makes the facility highly attractive not only for South Miami's waste, but also for neighboring municipalities, private holders, and commercial waste generators
throughout the region seeking a more economical disposal solution. The ability to attract third party waste strengthens the economics of the project while providing substantial savings to our customers. For the city of South Miami, the
benefits are straightforward. First, the city would eliminate approximately 800,000 in annual disposal costs currently associated with managing its own municipal solid waste. Second, under our proposed partnership,
the city would receive 50% of all gate fee revenue generated from third party waste delivered to the facility. Every municipality, private holder or coke or commercial customer that chooses our lower cost facility creates a new revenue stream shared directly with the
city based on projected operating capacity. The city's share of gate fee revenue is estimated to generate between 1.6 million and 7.4 7.4 4 million annually depending on whether the facility
processes 300 or 1,200 tons of waste per day. Third, the city would also participate in the commercialization of the renewable solid hydrocarbon produced by the facility generating an estimated
between $150,000 to $700,000 in additional annual revenue depending on production levels. Combine it does these benefits are projected to provide the city of South Miami with an overall economic benefit
ranging from approximately 2.5 millions up to 9 millions per year over a period of at least 20 years. >> Just just to be clear, so I want to make sure I'm hearing this correctly. 1.6
million to 7.4 based on either 300 tons >> Yeah. a day to,200 tons a day. That's the range. >> Exactly. That's the range. >> Okay. And then on the RSH 150 to 700,000. >> It's going to be like uh 3% of the commercialization. >> Okay. So three 3% of whatever your sales
are of the Okay. >> The final >> of the byproduct. And so you're saying that it's between collectively $2.5 million to $9 million a year every year for the 20-year period. >> Yeah. For 20 years. >> So roughly $180 million. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Grow gross. >> Gross. One second.
>> Thank you. Sorry. Continue. >> Okay. Thank you. Most [clears throat] importantly, this can be accomplished without requiring the city to finance or construct the facility itself. Beyond the financial benefits, this
project offers something even more important. It gives South Miami the opportunity to become a leader in municipal innovation. Rather than following traditional models, the city can help define a new approach to waste management. One that views waste not as an expense to be
buried, but as a valuable resource coupled for creating economic and environmental benefits for future generations. >> If you can give another 30 seconds, we can wrap it up. Thank you. >> Sure. If you want to bring them forward, it's at the RSH. you want to show us?
>> Okay. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Thank you. >> Anything else you want to add for the record? >> No, no, no. That's it's okay. That's uh just the opportunity that we have in the with some Miami with this kind of technology. >> We appreciate the presentation. Colleagues, you have any questions for
Mr. Bordano that you want to ask? >> Mr. Cay will go down from my right to left. Sir, you're recognized. >> Thank you. Uh thank you for the pres Thank you for [clears throat] the presentation. I had a few questions. Um,
you said the capital the the capital upfront cost would be roughly you said 35 to 50 million >> the capital of the capex >> for the buildout. Yeah. >> 55 >> 55 million. >> 55 million. >> And how does that get capitalized? Like
how how what's the source of funding to go ahead and do something like that for this particular project? I mean we can we can finance the project or the total project with the sale of the final product because it's going to be in the in the global market is use it to the
hydrogen or sustainable vision fuel. So it has a high demand the the final product >> but are I guess is the question is it a debt or equity model or how are you raising the capital to finance the facility? Oh, we have we have >> I understand it gets paid back over time from the revenues from the operation,
right? So, you recover your cost and earn a profit on it. But what >> Yeah, we have a private >> question commissioner. Sorry. >> We have we have private funds to I mean finance the all the all the copics of the of the infrastructure and after we are going to finance with the sale of
the final product. I know is that is that what you are >> it's like what the mayor said. How how are you capitalizing the 55 million dollars to set up this facility. >> Exactly. One of one of the >> $55 million is one of the money especially for it's not a construction
normal type of financing. So it's a different financing model like I'm just trying to understand how you would build it up like what is the way you're going to pay for it >> because we are going to say the final product. >> No I think so >> if you can go to the microphone so we
can hear you and it can be in the record. Please if you if you can come you can speak please come forward. It's >> just before you start your name and address for the record, please. >> My name is Sasha Pix, resident here in South Miami at 4941 Southwest 75th Lane. Pleasure to be here today and thank you
for giving the podium today. Um, yeah, just just to uh to help Christian over here. the the initial finance is supposed to be financed through third party um private equity type financing through typically a large industrial type player who's already in the energy industry and
who would like to have uh the type of exposure for what you thinking of the next gen next generation energy um production. >> Is this something you need to go pitch to have that opportunity like you need to have the piece of land to go pitch that opportunity? typically yes but because insoft has the experience
already uh it's already um it's already committed yeah >> it's committed to your >> so now that we're we're talking about the experience can you tell me a little bit more about the experience where is it that you guys facilitate what facility what what you know what facilities do you guys have
>> oh we have we have a consortium uh we are supported by technip energies that is the our EPCA company they have facilities around the world. This is why >> but do but doing this >> doing this doing this >> specifically >> we have uh two two companies that
support us one of them is TRI and there is in California is store is called the shamm recovery inc they provide us the technology and the other one is a company that is called Jillkins that is located in Netherlands
they have clients like Hiken Shell Yokutama tissue and there a lot of facilities with this technology around the world just um what we what we are >> have have you done a facility like that before?
>> No, no, not me because in soft is like the developer of the business but the company that are supporting us they have all the experience and everything to do that kind of facilities. >> Okay. And what's your role with the company? I'm sorry just to make sure I'm on >> I'm the CEO of insoft and soft is the
developer of the of the opportunity. We are putting together the I mean the APC, the technology provider and we are having the financing options. I mean the private equity or any option that we have to finance. >> I I have a lot of questions. So what I'll do is I'll reserve my time and
maybe we can set up a time afterwards to go over this. Uh I just want to understand it better. >> But I think commissioner just so it's helpful for staff. Sorry. Why don't you at least if we don't take answers right now, why don't we get our an our questions out into the record so that you know the manager and Mr. Munoz can
then do some further diligence to address your concerns because I don't while we all want to have one-off meetings. I want them to also kind of work up an analysis for us. >> Okay. >> So we know so we're comfortable whatever option we choose you know there's the right technological back you have the right to license you know the
technology. >> Okay. You've got the partnerships in place to actually build the infrastructure. You've got the capital stack, preferably not a leaseold mortgage, right, to to finance the improvements, right? All those kinds of questions, which I know you probably have. Let's just get them out there so
that staff hears them and they can begin to kind of work on a diligence list for us and bring back, you know, some further analysis and we can maybe decide what option we want to pursue, uh, if any option at all. Okay. Do how many how many tons of of garbage do we do we process a day at in South Miami? Do you
have a rough understanding >> the the optimal? >> No. What do we do right now? Garbage choice >> 30 30 tons. >> All right. And then you you think that we can process up to 800 to,200 tons a day is what you were saying in your presentation.
>> So you can expand to that level. >> Yeah. We need to to to get the the the other amount. So, are you are you dependent on getting more municipalities to get that type of garbage? >> Yeah, that's that's the that's the intention. >> Okay. Um the the product that you're
that you're developing that comes the the outcome the uh the actual product >> the final product. Okay. H can you walk me again through like how the sale of that who who buys that like what is is there >> the offtakers are going companies like uh maybe Shell or every any company that
produce electricity as well >> energy >> because yeah energy and it could be there is an in Japan is a a company called Mareni that is like a commercializer and that they have a lot of
electricity plants And they use that so to produce the electricity because >> and they buy these pellets. >> Yeah. They buy they they buy those pellets because they are in in in in Japan it was forbidden the carbon. So
they have to use any any other any other alternative energy that not produce emissions or something like that. >> Okay. >> And that happened with this. And so can you tell me like what the efficiency rate is? If we're doing a thousand tons a day, how much of this are you
producing? >> It's going to be 300 tons per day or it's going to be the 30% more or less. >> 30%. >> And what is I mean, how do you sell this? By the ton. >> By ton. Yeah. >> What is the growing rate for this per ton? >> And more or less $195 per ton.
>> Per ton. >> Yeah. And that's the price of the direct competence that is called white pellets. But this kind of product has even better characteristics than the white pellets. >> So will they pay more for it?
>> Yeah, it could be. >> So this is I mean this is very similar to a model where we do plastic pellets and we put them in and create plastic and >> just like the the white pellets are creating from the boot, >> right? >> And we have two very big difference. One
of them is the calorific properties that it has the hydrocarbon are better much better than the than the white pellets. And the other one is that the the white pellets are hydro hydrophilic. That means that absorbs the water and that
damage the product. And these ones the the hydrocarbons that we produce are hydrophobic. So that repels the water. So we don't need we don't have any issue to damage or something like that when we are going to export it. >> I mean it in in theory it sounds like
it's going to work. Um I think there's a lot of factors that we need to discuss. One is $55 million for an infrastructure cost and we need to understand how that's going to work. Uh whether you have partners, you know, where is that money coming from? Who are your partners? Because we're not going to lease you the land if we're not we don't
understand where the money's coming from, right? Like that's one of the things that are very important in any development opportunity. Yeah, of course. >> Um, and then secondly, I would love to see I mean, if you guys can show me, I don't know if you have that now, but I would love to see a working uh factory, if you will, or conversion or one of
these industrial plants where I can see it working and do some research on it. Um, if you can send me or provide us some of the information of those factories and maybe have a a Zoom call or somebody that so I can >> of course and maybe we can invite it to you guys. Uh here in Durham, North
Carolina, there is a facility that process the the waste. >> Where where in North Carolina? >> Dorham close by [laughter] >> and they they they do the whole process. They they go up to sustain sustainable
aation field. They don't stop in the in the hydrocarbon. >> What's the name of the one in Durham? >> What's the name of the facility in Durham? It's from TRRI is the Yeah, TRRI. Thermosam recovery. Okay. >> And the other facility that we can go is
in in Netherlands is on the Jkins facility. >> I'll go to that one. >> Yeah. Sounds like a lot of fun. Yes. [laughter] >> Okay. >> What was it called in in the Netherlands? >> Joined by Jilkins. I think you said >> it's in Netherlands. Uh I don't have the sack city. >> No. No. What's the name of the the
>> Jkins? >> Jerkens. >> Jensen. since Y I L K I N S. >> Okay, thank you so much. I'm good. Thanks. >> Okay, Rodriguez, you're recognized. >> So, I just want to get this correct if
I'm and and just to reiterate. So, insoft doesn't have any of its own functioning facilities like this one right now, but there are other ones that are existing that have the technology. So yeah, it's basically what you would do is use that
technology and create your own facility in in soft towel which would be here. >> Yeah, as as an integrator of the of the technology but we have all the support of those companies to do to create the facilities. >> Okay. >> So I mean we are not going to create it. is going to be
>> and then um in soft the origin of the company I mean you started it but I imagine you have some experience in this in the field in this field of energy and uh >> yeah we have a our company it's about the old technology and we have research
in this kind of industry for three years right now so that's the reason why we decide to go to to this kind of business because uh we know what is the necessity of energy and electricity around the world because of the new technologies
that we have including including um data centers, AI and so on. >> Um so to build a a facility like this, what what regulations are there? What what do you have to go and get special
permitting from the state, the county? Do you the federal? >> Yeah, I mean we have we have to have we have to have the perions from the city or the county. I mean, and it's going to be uh builded by an expert company in that kind of constructions. >> But for example, the the city of South
Miami, I say you you we we all >> you'd have to be right. It would be it would be permitted under the county's um environmental regulations in chapter 24 of the county code. >> So dur Yeah, basically the derm section of the code. And in this case, it would
be an unincorporated county, so it' be subject to their zoning regulations. I think this is, if I remember the county use schedule for heavy industrial, it's a per, it would be a permitted use, I think, but you know, we'd have to we probably have to do some total just to
confirm all that. >> Yeah. >> Um, just a couple more quick questions. So, how big is this facility? >> It's uh >> roughly >> the size that we need is uh 4 acres more or less. >> And you've been to our site already? I would imagine you have to see that before.
>> I have been there and I think so. the the the side that the side of that was mentioned in the RFP, right? >> Mhm. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah, I have been there and I think so it's enough to to construct. >> Okay. Because obviously you're going to need the space to to do that. So, I'm just going to reiterate what my
colleague uh asked uh said was yeah, we definitely need to know about the financing. That's very >> that's very important. I I would imagine that everybody up here the fear would be to have a facility you half built or fully built and then all of a sudden
funds go away and then we're just stuck with this facility you know so obviously before any decisions made at least on my part. Yeah, we definitely need to see how uh not just construction but also operational wise how all that's going to get funded. But I mean it sounds like a
very very interesting and very cool idea. Yeah, I mean if you guys uh to pull this off would be would be a little groundbreaking for for this city and for yourself. >> Okay, perfect. >> Thank you. >> Thank you so much. >> Further questions. You sure you're recognized?
>> Thank you. Um thank you very much for the presentation. Very very interesting uh creative project. >> Uh I just had two questions and maybe you can bring this with like the further analysis as well. It looks like from here that you would probably need to have 40 times the waste that we're
providing to make the project viable. I just wonder if you've done analysis of the area in the region and how many people what percentage of the market you need to do to achieve that. It would be nice to know like like how how you envision that happening where you can be
competitive because obviously if it goes too far away people probably wouldn't want to tip their trash here. So I don't know if you have any of those numbers or if we could just get them later. >> What we have trying to do is um we know that if for example in just just like an
example no in Broward they have like 1500 tons per day that is overwhelming the the infrastructure that they have or over there and they are paying more than $46 per ton to send to a landfill. Okay.
So as uh our technology is going to be profitable just with the with the sale of the final product. So we don't need really the the gate fee. >> Yeah. >> So according to that we can um bring
customers just saying that we can charge uh 35 per ton gate fee. So that's going to be more than the 20% of the in savings in cost for them. So I think so that we are going to be very attractive for them to
bring the the waste to our facility. >> Yes. And obviously this is your business model but it's all contingent on RSH being something people want to buy. So I'd love to see what that looks like. Obviously we could do our own research on it on on the global market for that and demand and and trends for that for
the last 5 10 years or however long it is. >> So about the hydrocarbons. >> Yeah. >> What do you mean though? >> Yeah. So I think I I had the same question. Yeah. I think I think it would be helpful in our follow conversations with staff to understand what is the global market for this kind of a product
>> so we understand the underwriting risk with with with uh financing the facility >> if we want to measure that kind of market is something sim similar to the to the oil because uh >> no but I mean but in terms of in terms of again theoretically it's a
replacement fuel for fossil fuels right certainly so that market is vast Yeah, >> I think we we would want to understand today who are actual what's the what's the market of actual buyers >> for this? This is what you're saying, right, Vice Mayor? What's the actual market for buyers? How much?
>> So, specifically specifically >> Yeah. What what if it may not be the same exact product, but what equivalent product? How much of it's being sold and acquired in the marketplace? So you know again the risk to us to my to my colleagues comment is we we give you a
lease you build a facility the facility fails we now have now have a singleuse facility that's expensive to an asset that's now expensive to reposition so we have to make sure that whatever deal we strike we have a pretty under good understanding
of who your that your an economic model is viable right not just as a I would say not just as a replacement for traditional fossil fuels or other hydrocarbons but for that there's a known quantifiable market today of consumers for the RSH because again
that's you know that's that's what's generating the vast vast amount of revenue to finance the facility from the numbers that I'm understanding >> okay so according to the I mean if we can can have the 1200 tons per day we are going to produce 300 or 350 tons per
day of hydrocarbons that means that annually we are going to produce >> 125 20,000 25,000 tons. It's uh 24 or $25 million in revenue. I we get the numbers, but that's not >> Yeah, but I mean I mean with that with the with the with that kind of >> Yeah. Yeah. So is there is there a
market for 130,000 tons of RSH globally? Because uh normally annually we are going to produce 120,000 tons of that hydrocarbons and we have at least three of takers that they are going to use much more than that and they are going to commit.
>> That's what we need to know. Is there is there is there a buy is there a put agreement with them? >> So you produce it, they're obligated to buy it. What's the structure on the back end so that we know we've got >> an integrated system here? >> All what we have to do is get a sample of the of the waste and we are going to
make and specifically hydrocarbons to them. We are going to send the sample to them and according to that characteristics they are going to give us a letter of intention to buy more than the amount that we are going to produce of those hydrocarbons. So that's the that's the kind of that's the way
that we can assure the the business order. Sorry, Vice Mayor. You good? >> Okay, madam commissioner, >> thank you. Mine is much a much more practical
conversation. Number one, how do we avoid the flagami situation? If you go to where the waste transfer is, I imagine by Flag, by the park, >> any given day on 75th Avenue is it or 72,
>> there are 10 trucks backed up just sitting on the street waiting to go in. >> You can imagine it smells wonderful. Um, so I'm like, okay, how are we proposing to deal with that? If we've got all this trash supposedly like 10
I'm going to make up a number 10 times the trash that we could give you flowing in there every day. This the smell is going to be horrible. So it's like what do we do with that? And then you said you needed four acres. How much space do we have?
>> A little bit less. Yeah. >> If you need four acres and we have three and we're using some of it. How does I need four acres with is enough space for the 1,200 tons per day, >> but we can reduce it for 800 tons per
day if we do have the no space over there because the advantage that they have that location is the proximity to the to the rail >> and that's the reason why we we could use it >> and according to the this uh kind of technology that that
don't produce a lot of >> you don't produce the smell the garbage coming to you produces but we are going to process it as soon as possible as we get it. So that's >> and luckily it's an industrial district so it's not near but near near the residential and >> yes but no because they are building
home they're building a huge the huge condos there. >> Yes they're building a live local act project there. Yes. >> And it's it's huge. I don't know if any of you have >> 750 units. I'm very familiar with it which is why I which why why I want to do something on the site sooner rather
than later because certainly don't want people complaining about a nuisance use when essentially the live local act has allowed people to look to locate near nuisance by allowing residential be a heavy industrial district. Right. So you
know we can debate the wisdom of that provision of the bill at another time. Oh bless you in advance. Thanks a lot. Okay, so those those are my concerns. My concerns, the space, the smell, and the that is a heavily
traffked road and when you've got trucks of that size backing up there, that's a huge concern. Thank you. >> Okay. I just Yeah, I'm going to get back to you with questions when you think my quick my quick second. I apologize. >> So again, thank you for your interest.
Number one, we appreciate it. Number two, I think to me it's a very intriguing technology, right? Uh for us, you know, if we were I think if I was wearing my entrepreneur hat, I'd say let's go allin because I think it's just it speaks to my values, right? I don't
want to was talking with the the other party. The idea of sending my way somewhere else doesn't sit personally well with me. But that said, we sit here as a fiduciary for a city. So sometimes we got to air on being more conservative. So I think as you have a further conversation with our staff
about this opportunity really important for us to understand the global market >> okay >> for the RSH you know is 120,000 tons 1% 5% 10% of the proven market today >> right because that begins to help us
determine what the validity of the of the economic model is >> okay >> and then certainly understanding where your money to build a facility is going to come very important >> and that you have agreements in place with TRRI which seems to be providing
you the technology and I guess Joe I guess Yenkins which is basically actually has the knowhow >> to build the facility. >> Okay. >> Understanding where you are and your discussions with them very important as well. I would also want to know what
conversations, if any, you've had with CSX about the use of the right of their rightway to move this product and where that product where the where the rail cars I think you're envisioning being used to move the RSH out of the facility, where they're going to be
stored, how they're going to be marshaled because there's only so much frontage we have, but we have that access. There's only so much storage frontage that we have to kind of move product through. So those are my concerns. I think the site the right sizing of the facility is also an issue
I'm hearing now as you discussed it. We don't have four acres. We've got 3.1 to offer you. We have to relocate our facility to do that. We'd have to have a conversation with you about structuring a financial model that would help us relocate what we have there and replace
it as we build a facility as well. And so those are all questions that I think we need to I certainly need to have answered. But I do think it's an intri intriguing proposition. I think the technology is intriguing. You know, I would want to make sure that you have firm agreements with these two other
parties that seem to provide you. You seem to have a great idea. Seems you've identified the need. seems like this technology could be a solution. But I want to make sure that you are in privity with those people or in contract with those people who can actually deliver on the technical execution and
that you've got put contracts with buyers that are going to basically make sure that we've got an integrated solution. Right. >> Okay. >> The waste is there and again I don't know that we should assume it's viable for us legally to bring other municipal waste to the site. really I want to
understand what the commercial market is third party from your perspective to bring third party commercial waste to the facility because that's really where I think the line share of the revenue will come from anyways and and and waste stream that's not encumbered by commitments to the county.
>> Yeah. >> So those are my thoughts. Commissioner Rodriguez, you wanted further further questions. >> So we could be to provide a complete document with all that they >> we'll have our staff follow up with you to have some further conversations. Got it. Okay. >> No, the the mayor asked uh I thought was
an important question. Um I just wanted to elaborate a little bit. Um as you see on on your presentation, you have trucks, but you we also have the railway. Do you is your the majority of of hauling away um the hydrogen is that
through the rail or is that on trucks? >> Yeah, for us is it would be the best option, the rail. >> Through the rail. Okay. All right. That right now. Commissioner Guy, you want to close us out on this presentation? >> I think a lot of the questions that we ask is if you can provide the business
case model like you know it's it's it's a whole process. A lot of us have backgrounds in in startups and big big companies like this and >> we just really want to understand all the details especially if you're going to be our partner moving over for the next 20 years. It's really important that we understand the whole business
model. >> Yeah. Good. And thank you so much. >> Thank you guys for the Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. Okay, I think next up Darren Rzo for UDP, please. Thank you. >> Hi, good evening, Darren Rizzo, 425
Eagle Rock Avenue, Roseland, New Jersey. Um, thank you again uh for taking the time tonight uh to listen. I'm CEO of Unified Disposal Partners, UDP. Let's see. Not good with these things.
We'll give it a while. There we go. So, Unified Disposal Partners is an operating business today. We operate four transfer stations similar to what we're talking about here in in South Miami. Uh we have 10 collection yards throughout Tennessee and Kentucky. And
we own a rail served landfill in southern Alabama. Uh that um it's a large site. We'll talk about it, I guess, as we get further in. Uh the company is run by myself, uh my brother, we put it together as well as a very
very experienced management team. My brother and I combined have 70 years of experience uh operating in these in this industry and we're backed by uh BTG Pactual Global Alternatives. They control 11.5 billion dollars of assets
under management. So um we're we're well funded. If you look at what we've done in the past, how it's relevant here, we had Apex landfill. We started it as a green field and uh built the landfill there. It was uh processing 2 and a half
million tons approximately a year mainly by rail. We're using Norfolk Southern and CSX. You guys have CSX down here. So, we have a long-standing relationship with CSX. Uh that landfill also put a renewable energy project on and we
recaptured the gas from the landfill which we will eventually do at this landfill in southern Alabama. So there will be a renewable energy component to the project. Um let's see after that project we had Evergreen Environmental Partners and Aerrow
Disposal down in Alabama and Mississippi. We had over 60 government contracts there. Uh we never defaulted on any of them. Uh we operated about three transfer stations for different municipalities as well as we owned one of our own transfer stations down there
as well as a landfill that was truck served. Um, let's see. And the benefits of the project we see for South Miami, you know, if you're if you're if you have that property, it's rail served, we
could put that that site on there besides the rent and a royalty, which we have proposed in our in our uh in our lease, that would equate to approximately $80 million over the life of the lease. Um that lease we believe would would be bankable because it is
with a company that has substantial assets throughout the uh throughout the region and an operating history. Uh we create approximately 20 jobs locally. We would have an alternative outlet, a competitive outlet for local businesses
to dump where it doesn't always have to even be like you said municipalities or these big public companies. It could be the cleanout guys. It could be the small haulers in the market which would pass on hopefully savings to your local businesses uh throughout throughout your
area. Um we think having your own transfer station would support the Florida Growth Management Act showing that you have resources to handle your own solid waste if necessary. We don't require any public capital from
you or any debt financing. We may choose to put financing on but at this we do not require debt financing. We have full equity backing. >> Taran, before you move on from the side, um so your numbers assume 750 tons.
>> Yeah, that would be at about 750 ton per day. Um but notice the royalty is the smaller component. The majority of that $80 million is coming from rent, a guaranteed rent payment. What based on the size of the of our property, what would you say could be the maximum
throughput tonnage on a facility located on our property? >> Yeah, I think we could do about 1,250 ton per day uh on that facility. >> That's the range. Okay. >> Yep. That's the range. The addressing one of the questions you brought up. Um that would all be moving out by rail. So we at least we would
eliminate one side of the truck traffic. You' still have the inbound trucks, but you wouldn't have the outbound trucks. So that would still reduce a large portion of that truck traffic that you see there. And as well as addressing odors, a lot of odors come from just the amount of time it takes you to move the
waste. As long as we keep the floor clean, which is how we operate now, we don't we don't have odor complaints at any any of our sites or any issues with any of the local municipalities at any of our sites. Um let's see. The other uh advantage we
think it would have is we could have a section dedicated for emergency storm debris. Unfortunately with the with the bad weather storms that come through South Miami, there are times when uh we do need relief, right? Um so we think that we could put a little processing
center over there and keep a grinder there and if there is a storm cleanup, try to quickly process some of that waste and move it out for you. But at least you would have another dedicated outlet for storm relief. The landfill itself that we have, like I said, it's in southern Alabama. It will
eventually have a renewable energy project on site. We'll recapture the gas, process it, and uh and inject it into the high BTU line. Right now, without any expansions, it has uh just under 30 million cubic yards
of airspace available. So, you know, well, way more than we need for this project. The site is uh 570 acres and we're only on 270 with that permit of 30 million cubic yards. So, we do believe it would be expandable. We're pro uh
we're permitted to take 7,500 tons per day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. So, again, way more permits than what we need to handle any of this. We have almost an 80 acre rail yard on the on at the landfill. So way more than what we need uh to handle this. We have been in
talks with CSX. We actually lease the main line that comes into our landfill from CSX. So uh they're well aware of the projects we're working on. Uh we have been discussing uh these projects with CSX all along. Um
and that's that's really the overview. I tried to give you the uh threeminute version. >> Thank you very much for that. We appreciate it. Uh let's go left to right this time. Commissioner Bonito, any questions? >> No, he already answered the questions I had. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor.
>> Um, is there any way you could break down I know you had the 80-year picture, but like the annual financial picture of the benefits to the city? >> Yeah, certainly. I'll have that sent in. Uh, I'll probably have it for you, uh, emailed in tomorrow. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> Sure,
>> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Thank you for the presentation. and uh very detailed and very organized and a lot of backing and experience. So, that helps. Um I'm sorry, I didn't know if you had it there, but what's the leaf uh the lease life that you're looking for?
The >> uh the lease that I believe we discussed was 20 years up front and then three 10-year extensions. >> Okay. Sorry, I didn't >> That's fine. >> I didn't know that. Um >> it was it was in the presentation, so you shouldn't should know. >> Okay. Um the the rail is it daily,
weekly? Uh >> daily. >> Just one a day or multiple a day? >> Be one a day. >> One a day. And um in your landfill in Alabama, what do you what do you guys do with the the waste? It's just standard landfill where >> it's a subtitle D, which means it's
fully lined. Everything is completely encapsulated. Uh the surrounding area has monitoring wells to make to ensure nothing leaks from the landfill. Uh and then it is buried uh where it does decompose. It'll create methane gas which will recapture as renewable energy.
>> Okay. >> And put that into the power grid. >> Okay. Thank you again. >> Sure. >> Commission done that in the past as well. That's that's not something >> commission you're recognized. Uh yeah, what uh France was saying there
was we do uh we are we do have like a partnership so to speak with the city of Brundage and the county uh the host county there. So just so you know that we're we're supported by the local government there. This would uh not be something uh that would be adverse to local community
either. >> Can you talk a little bit about your transfer stations up in Tennessee? um what waste how much you know just name one of them roughly what the cost is uh per ton on acquiring and transporting
and then dumping on the site in in Alabama >> Alabama. >> Sure. Um yeah so all of our stations are handle municipal solid waste and construction and demolition debris. So we do deal with both products. uh we do is other things.
>> So are the the municipals are picking it up and putting it to a transfer station. Right. >> Uh yeah and some it's municipalities are dumping there. We do have contracts with uh with municipalities that do dump at our transfers as well as we have our own collection vehicles as well that dump
there as well as third party uh haulers dump there. So we have a mix of of everybody there. Um, so you could say, you know, I don't want to get all the way into the secret sauce, but I guess what we're charging like a local municipality up there or what uh or what
it actually costs us to operate. >> No, what you're charging is fine. I don't need to know your secret sauce is fine. >> In the mid60s >> and this is all type of waste. >> Yes. uh uh municipal construction like no medical no bioolids. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. Strictly municipal.
>> Just wanted to be on the record there. >> I mean, we've seen this before. A lot of the questions we know what to ask. >> Um I don't have too many questions. I think to me is again on the building of the trans transfer station, what does the investment look like? Um you know,
we've we've been through this road a little bit already, so we're pretty well verssed. This is your first one, but um >> it'll depend on some of the feedback from Florida Department of Environmental Protection. Yes. >> But you're going to assume it's going to be somewhere around a $10 million build, maybe. Maybe a little more.
>> Okay. And that would be subsidized. That'll be subsidized with you guys through our lease. >> Yes. We're not relying on debt for that. We can do that with that. >> And and the split again was revenue uh split that you're proposing. Uh we have a fixed lease of 52,500
per month and $1 per ton. >> Okay. >> And the 525 is guaranteed whether we're doing any volume or not doing any volume. That's >> that's per month, right? >> Yes. >> And it's you said $1 per ton.
>> Yes. >> Okay. Thank you so much. >> Sure. Darren, I my my question's pretty sh I think most have been covered, but I think if you could just um touch upon two points. One is obviously you've got experience permitting this
facility. So what would be your expectation assuming we signed the lease tomorrow in terms of a permitting timeline for this kind of a facility the build and that so we could actually get a sense of when we would be starting to jointly cash flow?
>> Sure. Um, you know, I would I don't want to speak for Florida D and I certainly want them to get mad that I'm uh trying to time. I'm not I I live in the world of permitting, so I'm not going to hold you to I just want to get a sense of what you realistically would expect. >> Yeah, I would expect us to be permitted in 18 months and then we'll go right
into construction from there. It's not a fancy construction build, you know, it's a concrete floor, concrete push walls and then a sheet metal building. Obviously, one that you guys approve. It would be state-of-the-art. >> We would not be approved the county. So, so you we'd be working with our partner there as well. >> Yeah.
>> You know, um but it's a quick build. >> It's a six-month build then or >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, 24 months roughly. Soup to nuts. >> That's what I would think. I would think you'd be 24 to 30 months on the high side and we should be fully operational. >> And then if I could just ask you, you
mentioned something that's of interest to me. You'd said again BTG Pactual Global Alternatives is your financial backer. >> Yes. Can you share the range of their capital investment in your company? >> Um, I could tell you that they generally
I'd say I believe the way they say it because I want to be cautious on the record, what not is uh their average check size is like 250 to 300 million. Okay. In an investment. >> Okay. Um, again that speaks to your ability to proceed. Yeah. Quickly.
>> Oh yeah. And I have not even taken a fraction of >> So then I and then Yeah. I'm sure their their balance sheets a lot bigger than that. >> Yeah, they they have 11 and a half billion of assets under management. >> So potentially we'd have we'd have recourse to a company that's actually you said you have $100 million of
operating revenues today. I thought that you said at one point >> uh we're we're coming towards it. Yes. >> Okay. So you've got you're it's a going concern we'd be contracting with not >> Yes. >> A new builder. Okay. And then I guess you said the lease could be bankable. So can you can you tease that out for myself and the benefit of the board? I
can't represent that it would be bankable. I could say that I believe it would be bankable >> because of the sponsor. >> Yeah. And and because there's an operating entity behind it, right? It's it's we have assets and if we didn't pay the rent, right, there would certainly be recourse. >> Okay. So potentially you're saying we
could >> if your projected gross revenues over over 50 years, right, with all the extensions is $80 million, we could try to borrow against this lease to address any other issues or needs that we have. Yeah, we were going to put a uh you know
um a DCF in in the uh in the model that you've asked for. Shows you show you annual uh revenue and we could put some sensitivity to it as well as discounted cash there. >> Okay. >> See, >> yeah, I'd love to see a model and if you
could make some assumptions about, you know, how quickly we're not going to get to 750 tons the first month, right? We got to grow the business. So, if we could understand how that number grows over time. Obviously, we've got the minimum floor with the with the lease, but I would like to see how our revenues would grow.
>> Yeah. And I mean, the amount of commercial waste in in even if we would just say go out to the county. Yeah. If we even look at the small haulers haulers, your junk men, your cleanup men, I I think you could get to like 500 ton a day, very, very, very quickly, you know, just to come right out of the box.
So, >> okay. >> You know, I wouldn't expect there. >> Certainly, I'd love to see us get to the 1250, right? U so if you could >> and our feed stock you know one thing about because it is traditional transfer it doesn't matter if it's construction demolition or yard waste or MSW it's
just >> okay >> in goes out via rail that's it >> any any further questions okay thank you very much I appreciate your time appreciate everybody >> colleagues um any other questions or direction you want to give to the
manager and his team just looking >> aren't aren't they just they're gathering the information to give to all of us I imagine. Do we want them to I mean do we want them to vet both options? One option is there what's your is there >> is there any any reticence about pursuing or exploring both?
>> I don't have any reticence about exploring both. They're very different. >> They are very different. Okay. >> Um I agree with Commissioner Bon. >> Okay. >> I would ask that we maybe get like a sample understanding of what the terms would be. Quick one sheeter uh just so we're all on the same page. Um and then
from um >> I think we I think we have those now because I I do believe >> I didn't have that. >> I just they just came in today. So that's why so that I believe that both um UDP and um now insoft have given us kind of an outline
>> of what the basic economic terms of their deal are deal are but I think a lot of the questions that you asked have not been as of yet vetted. So we certainly want staff to delve into those. Yeah, mayor. I think it's really important that from in Sopetto, right? Did I say it right? >> In soft tail. Yep. >> In soft towel. Y >> that we really get a business like, you
know, give me a a deck, a business model. So, I can fully understand it. I I mean, I would really love to see that. >> I don't know if you're giving that to the city manager or the clerk, but just get our information. Just send it out to us. >> I think let's do it through the manager and then
>> you'll distribute. >> He can distribute it. Okay. >> Okay. Thank you all for your time. We appreciate Let's move on then. Um colleagues, can we get a motion to approve the minutes of June 9th, 2026? Are you want them deferred? >> Yes, please.
>> Okay. Show that uh uh item is deferred. Uh Mr. Manager, I think you're giving the report tonight. >> Yes, sir. Thank you. Y uh just a couple things. You just wanted to uh there were uh in the area of capital projects, there were some turf improvements over at Murray Park. Um and and that's uh
been finished now. And certainly also a little bit of a a repair. South Miami Park natural sod restoration had some issues there on the south side. The the the type of uh grass there and turf was was changed to have something that was a little bit more tolerant and and so
that's completed. Fu pavilion uh some invasive removal to continue to help with the visibility towards the the the the lake there and and certainly the the pavilion itself was was painted. announcement on youth football and cheer. Um away games begin August 14th
and the first weekend is August 28th uh for home game. [clears throat] After school program registrations are open for that that program runs from August 13th through June 3rd and again that's serving students in kindergarten through through uh 6th grade. uh as it on the
event calendar um we have the back to school splash bash Saturday August 1st 12:30 to 2:30 at the Gibson Bethl Community Center and then just want to report on the electronics recycling event that was held June 13th it was uh 993 pounds of electronics recycled um
comparison to the last time that it was done in 2024 uh was 342 so 993 so more more than doubled >> pretty good >> and then certainly Tes Somi which is a big collaboration with our Somi district community 41 partners and different um
sectors participating and that runs through the end of uh July and that's manager's report and certainly answer any questions you may have. >> Commissioner Kay you're recognized for questions >> from the Thank you Mr. manager >> um from great from the grey ghost and the cheerleaders. Are we marketing that
in our social media and content blasting that on their behalf to get a little bit more people understanding about our program in Palmer Park? >> Well, if we're if it's not planned, we will. >> All right. Thank you. Um secondly, what are we changing the grass model on the south side of South Miami Park?
>> That that was >> I know it's done, but did we what did we do differently? >> Uh it changed the type of turf um to the St. Augustine turf that's more uh >> uh shade resilient and um so I think that was a recommendation
>> okay that that we were given. >> And lastly you did taste of somi. Do you anyone you recommend any good ones that you've been to so we can let everybody know cuz >> you can have a free beer with a a sandwich at Laya. I did that this past weekend. >> I did that today by the way. >> I I would I would say
>> testimonial >> testimonial. I I would I would say >> Seto is great. Yeah. >> Seto does a glass of wine, a appetizer, a meal, and a dessert for 36 bucks. >> And it's very generous. >> And it's very good. >> Yeah, I did that one too. They also have one for dinner.
>> Yeah, >> that's the lunch one. The dinner. They also have one. >> Yeah. So, I recommend it. It was great. >> I got to get my chocolate fixed before it's over. >> You know what? Something having like really Yes. restaurant. No taste of Somi. You know, Kitchen 57 has been
going Wednesday. >> No, there we go. Tomorrow night, I'll see you there. >> I know. There you go. >> I just before we move on from the Anyone have questions on the manager report? No. Uh before we move on, Mr. Man, if it's okay, I'd like to just uh I know we had an announcement about
a staff member moving on to greener pastures here in short order. And so I just wanted to have you put in the record. >> Talking about me or Oh, no. No, not you. We're We're lucky. We're lucky. We're lucky. I mean, unless you got something some breaking news. >> Breaking news. You're going to You're
going to ruin my otherwise good mood. >> No, I'm I'm jumping into hydrocarbons. So, >> I know. So, >> you're technically under contract. >> You're technically under contract, >> but uh I >> I have a proposal for you for hydrocarbons. >> No. Uh yes, sir. Thank you for for for
that. Uh Brandon uh I I know has has taken a position in another uh not as good of a workplace as a city of South Miami but not even close but another opportunity for him. So he's um he's going to be moving on to somewhere else. And I think that's what you were making reference to. So thank you for reminding
us and we certainly thank Brandon for all his work being the first person that that u >> um you know filled that position when we created it and and certainly we've stood up the program in in many ways. So, you know, thank you for for him doing that. >> Yeah. I just wanted to and I'll
recognize you next. I just wanted to thank Brandon on the records. I had a a film session this morning with the uh GMCVB and um if I didn't appreciate it before certainly became very evident the foundation you've laid today because it was great to have a conversation about
you've got B footage you know B-roll on this and that and you've got a whole uh inventory of product that we can share with third parties to market the city and put us in a very nice light and it's uh you know the whole team that kind of kicked off this program was exceptional
uh It's great to see you all move on to bigger and better opportunities. We're excited of that. My only request to Brandon, Mr. Manager, was that he has to refer to us refer to us an equally talented young person who can kind of step into those shoes and uh and and help uh carry the baton forward. So,
>> thank you for your service, Brandon. It's been fun working with you. Yeah, >> if it has to be young, then I'm out. I can't apply. >> No, no, yeah. We're both we're both too old. So, uh Commissioner GA, you're recognized. >> Uh Brandy, I know, you know, I always talk to you. I think you've done a phenomenal job. It's really like a startup, right? Like getting a a product
straight from zero. What you've done with our Facebook organizations, our marketing, then what you've learned to start doing from a digital perspective, from video, from photography. You've done a great job. Thank you for everything that you've done for the city. Um I'm I'm glad that you got the
position and I think that the next person that's coming in has a very good setting and understanding of what they can do. So, thank you for that. I really do appreciate you and I appreciate everything you did for us. And on a second note, mayor, um I know he's here, too. So, Marcus, 20 years with the city.
>> Oh, really? Congrats, Marcus. >> I know. I know. We I know Wendy, we usually do a thing, but Marcus Lightfoot is 20 years with the city of South Miami. That's something to, you know, to be special about. And And by the way, 20 years is 20 years. So, thank you for a lot of things that you do and and I really appreciate it.
>> Some of those you were dog ears, I'm sure. So, thank you, Marcus. >> He was in prek when he started. >> Exactly. Exactly. Okay. Uh, moving on. Let's uh get to see the attorney's report. I'm sorry. >> Go Brandon. >> Okay. >> Sorry. Anybody else?
>> I I That was the whole point of mentioning that he was going on [laughter] because we won't have another meeting before he's gone. But we we expect to celebrate his, you know, future success. We can take a picture. >> Well, let's do it. >> We do have a Taste of Somi conclusion party. Correct. >> Marcus. >> Marcus.
[laughter] >> We'll take a selfie. That's be very appropriate. So, We do have a taste of Somi uh rap party. So I think maybe we can celebrate with Brandon his departure then. That's your problem. >> So if I may, may >> Yes, sir. You're right. >> Because you're right. Um this is going to be the last meeting. I didn't I
didn't really catch that. So I guess I I'll >> But now you want to speak >> now. I was going to do it more in private, but I remember Yeah, he's gone. I'm leaving next week. But hey, you know, Brandon, thank you for even though I've only been here for a little over a year and a half. It's been a great experience, you know, learning what
you've done with uh just with the social media from the Instagram going from what a thousand to 12,000 followers. um you know what you did with the website. I mean what you do with us every time that we have a commissioner's corner or the mayor has something or any of us and and
and promoting you know recently we did the one for the affordable housing which was great. Um I think whoever follows you uh has some big shoes to fill. So congrats man and I wish you all the best and and and good luck being a father my friend.
>> Yes. Yeah. That's the biggest news. Sorry, I'm just gonna finish. I'm not gonna be the only one that doesn't say something about it, but no, we're in the same uh uh field. So, I've always appreciated him so much. I mean, just four years ago was the first time we as a city sent out newsletters. And to come from from where we are then to where we
are now is incredible. Redoing a municipal website has done the easy thing. I think you you you know did an amazing job there. Amazing job on social, amazing job on just you know, really doing the kind of outreach and media that you've done for the city. So, thank you.
>> Excellent. Okay, so selfie time. >> Yeah. Come on, >> B. This is my cry out. [laughter] >> Oh my goodness. Marcus, go ahead and do that. [laughter] Please. Here we go. I met you what? Uh, 11 years ago.
>> 11 years ago. >> Brandon, you better check the camera before the meeting's over just to make sure we got a picture that's usable. >> It looked like we were getting our knees and and our feet only. [laughter] the best you ever seen. >> He's like blurry. >> State state that for the record, please.
>> We're going to cons we're going to consolidate uh Rand's job in Alfredo, so expand his portfolio. Okay, moving on to the city attorney's report. Madam City attorney. Good evening. >> Mayor, we I don't have anything formal to report today. We are going to be going over the Turner amendment
questions later. So, um >> get to it then. Thank you. Okay. >> I have a question for the attorney. >> Yes. Do we have an update? When you say Turner, that's not what was that. >> She mentioned she doesn't have anything formal to report, but we're going to go over the charter amendment items. >> Oh, later in the meeting.
>> My question to you is do you do we have an update uh roughly on how the term sheets and the lease is going with 13th floor? >> I know that there was a meeting earlier this week. I don't have an update, but I can work on that. Well, >> the the uh the information provided by Mr. Russio at the meeting was that uh we
are targeting I think the August the last meet last meeting in August to bring the lease forward for our consideration. So that's the current timeline as last reported. >> Okay. Welcome. >> Okay, let's move on. I'm going to skip the discussion items for this for the moment and just take up the consent
agenda. Anyone have any questions regarding items one, two, three, or four that you want to pull for discussion? No. One, two, three, or four. Item one is the again appropriation of the first $50,000 in
uh art and public faces money provided by VU Church. Item two is the grant of the easement at South Miami Park to Miami water and sewer. >> Number three is the interlocal agreement with Miami County on the office of film for film permitting. And the last is a resolution to uh purchase and install a
new shade structure at uh Vice Mayor Bob Welsh Park. Okay. There's uh no that's uh not on the consent agenda. So madam clerk, if you can read items one, two, three, and four, and then I'll entertain a motion to adopt all four items.
>> Yes. Item one, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving a budget transfer in amount of $50,000 from the art and public places fund to appropriate funds received from Boot Church, Inc. for the Marshall Winston Scholarship Program, youth programming, and senior senior
programming. authorizing the city manager to take all action necessary to implement the budget transfer. Item two, a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Florida approving a revised grant of easement to Miami Day County Water and Sewer
Department for sanitary sewer facilities located at Sm Park authorizing the city manager to execute the revised grant of easement. Item three, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving a multi-year interlocal agreement with the Miami day
county office of film and entertainment to issue permits to film and steel photography companies allowing them to utilize city facilities and services as authorized by the city. Item four, a resolution of the mayor
city commission of the city of southern Florida approving the purchase of a new shade structure and related installation service for the playground at Vice Mayor W Park in amount not to see $78,555 terms and conditions of the
competitively bid Aluchum County Public Schools District FB number 24-13 authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute in agreement with the vendor relating to the same. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Is there a motion to adopt items 1, two, three, and
four? >> I'll move the motion. >> Is there a second? We have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. >> Madame Clerk, please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Kag, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Bonish, >> yep. >> Vice Mayor Corey, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> And PS50.
>> Thank you very much. Okay. Uh, I've been informed we have someone here on discussion item M1. So without objection, I'm going to call up that item which is a pedestrian bridge design conceptual discussion that I asked be put on the agenda. Uh Mr. Mayor, do you want to kind of give us a lead in and
then we can recognize Mr. Munoz or how do you want to proceed? >> Yeah, mayor. Um [clears throat] certainly. Um I think as a result of uh the conversation regarding um some grant opportunities, uh the the the bridge
opportunity came back up. um that grant opportunity was to to fund studies and you know through a conversation with yourself uh you had talked about what maybe something we should revisit and consider and that the count you know the commission should um you know uh weigh
in on on on the conversation. Um we have tried to put together some information uh given its history. I will um remind all of you that I think so I got here January 23. One of the first orders of business was this commission you know
putting a putting a stop on on the on the bridge. I think for two reasons primarily and if I can remember one was there was really no money allocated towards you know the construction of it. And two I think there was a desire to try and um look at at great solutions and try and leverage that. Um and so
what we put together in short order and certainly Mr. Adrian Alonzo from from the firm that was involved then got bought out by a bigger firm um and he yesterday we had a a virtual meeting and he was so gracious to to come in case he can you know fill in some blanks. So
what you have before you is uh some of the images of the design that had been done. Uh this uh bridge um this pedestrian bridge was uh 90% in construction drawings at the time. [snorts] Um the landing spot basically
was in front of Akashi and and and that spot really took the real estate of the roadway. Um, which then would prevent the ability to how you now are able to come out in front of Akashi and make a right-hand turn and then head north. Um, so and then you [clears throat] had the
landing spot on on the now underline side and that was even a consideration then, but obviously it wasn't built. So I'm just teeing up a little bit about u what was done at the time. This was also supported by a previous analysis of locations and and we we dug that up and
we shared that report with you about three locations that that have been looked at as possible uh landing spots for this pedestrian bridge. The commission at the time selected this particular location and so uh Mr. Mu Mos has done some research. Uh certainly Mr.
Alonzo's here and we be happy to kind of just share and answer some questions that you may have if it's something that you may want to consider. U I I will say obviously that that we have the issue of the underline now that it's built in and that landing spot. Um we have things
that that were uh done to support uh the bridge that we have to check and see if those can be repurposed and used again or um those analysis surveys and what other other studies were done would have to be redone or not. So there's a would there be a lot of uh things that they
need to look into um to see if you know what can be repurposed to further you know this this concept. So uh happy to have you know in whatever manner you want to engage in the conversation have you know Mr. Moz Mr. Alonzo you know participate in that. >> So Mr. manager. Again, just to build on
what you said, the only reason I we we I had been approached by our very intrepid um grants manager about the fact that there was some planning money and possibly some capital money out there for us to revisit this connector. We had, as I think four of the five of us
will recall, when we got here very early, quickly put the kibash on a few projects. one being the police station and this project both of which we'd spent somewhere the order of $450 to $500,000 designing without a plan to finance it. The only reason I thought it
was timely to possibly revisit the conversations that we are think as of last Tuesday we have a final understanding on the terms of the interlocal agreement for the CRA and you'll recall that one of the items there is an allocation of about $28 million present value for transportation
related improvements. I just want to get a sense of whether that's uh this is an improvement that we want to see potentially financed out of that uh transportation allocation. Um that was my motivation for bringing it forward so
that you know rather than have staff chase a grant for further study and analysis about this feasibility of this whether there was an appetite on our part to kind of revisit you know this improvement. uh as a manager said there are some challenges that exist now in
terms of collocation at this location or not collocation but the loc but citing the bridge at this location given the advancement of the underline um this execution also would remove the slip lane uh for westbound traffic onto US1
on the subject street and basically make this an inbound eastbound only movement. I you know a functionally I'm not sure how that works or not. It's something we would have to analyze but um that's how it was that's how it was designed before. So just wanted to put
in front of us for a quick conversation. Uh Mr. Munos spent a lot of time digging into this. We do have um sorry Adrian was your first name >> Alfonso. Mr. Alfonso here as well who can kind of uh you know answer any quick questions you all may have regarding the
the possibilities. So, with that, I'll turn it over to you all for questions. Yes, sir. You're recognized. >> So, I guess being the youngest one here, I've I've uh I've never seen this. So, I I I love it. Personally, I I I love it.
I love the fact that you have advertising on it. So, so many Second Saturdays, um our art festival, a lot of the things that that we do in the city, we can advertise it. And what better place advertising on US1. My
question is, do we know since we're at 90% drawings roughly, do we know what it would take to complete the drawings? Like there CHM, you know, I mean, they would have to do a little bit more work in fairness to them. I think they gave us sort of like
>> really what was the amount of the prior contract, Mr. Manager? >> So, there was about $100,000 left that that was not spent [snorts] on that. So, roughly the 400 and change that you said. So there's about 100,000 that was not spent on that that that had been approved. Um and I think that you know I
think that the they said maybe it would take an order of magnitude of $200,000. I I think it was what was shared with us. But I in fairness to them. This is a conversation we had yesterday and they need to go back and really, you know, do a deep dive. Alex, if any of that that I said is kind of not in line with, you
know, what we discussed, please jump jump in. Yeah. Now I say that but with a full disclaimer that there are a lot of things that supported those construction drawings that you know whether they can still be used or repurposed or you know that's part of the due diligence process.
>> Yeah. They would have to bring it to today's code basically. >> No beyond that I think it's also the execution [clears throat] of the landing on the west or north side. I mean is you know it's now in conflict with an existing improvement. So that's uh you
know yeah if you want to address that for sure we'd appreciate it. >> Yeah good evening everyone. So Adrian Alonso with CHA consulting with our nearest office in Dorado. Um so regarding the underlying landing before we were consider we already took into
consideration the underline because it was being planned. Um and we have we had done that coordination in the past. um we were in the middle of that and then now since the underline is constructed we would just need to you know revisit that coordination again with the county
and the partners of the underline to make that work. So that's where that coordination would be. It's a lot will have to get revisited. Yeah. >> Do you have an order magnitude cost on what it would take to build this assuming we got
through the design phase >> to to build that? Yeah. I have to revisit the estimates, but I think we were like around the 5 million range. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Yeah. The original estimate for this particular crossing was 5.4.
>> Okay. That's in But that was in 2022. Okay. >> The the study was done in 2019. So, and their design was done in 21. >> Okay. So, >> so yeah. So, our design got to 2023 when that's when it when it was stopped. >> Okay. my my construction guides to my
right say add 30% to that. So just say it's $7 million. >> Yeah. Okay. Okay. Uh so and then do we have one one have you guys discussed or looked into what the utilization is of the bridge that was supposed to be the
South Miami Bridge that's now at the University of Miami station. What's the utilization there today? Do you have any sense of that? >> No. >> No. You're talking about the current >> Yes. the current the current bridge. Yeah. I again my I'm I'm just curious and
>> what what you know what makes >> less sense to me about this is >> certainly want to get people across US1 but the main goal is to get them into the transit station. We know Miami County is very particular about things touching or going over the guideway and touching their platforms. So that may
not be feasible, but I'm just curious to seeing what number of people at that other location where you don't have any accurate crossings in close proximity that are accessible because all that section is fenced in. How many people are actually using the bridge today?
Because our our condition is slightly different. There are multiple grade crossings that one could use as an alternative to this improvement. So, I'm just trying to make sure while I think now we should have a conversation about it because we do have possibly the ability to finance it through a CRA. I
still want to understand the relative return on that investment in terms of utilization. So, I don't know if Mr. Manager can get some more information about that that would be helpful. >> The the crossing you're speaking of, obviously, we have not looked at that.
Um, however, I believe our company can provide services to to give you numbers on that like updated numbers. So if that is of interest you know you can reach back out to us. So >> thank you. >> Yes please go ahead.
>> I personally don't see any difference from when we originally looked at this till now except that we find ourselves in a more precarious position cashwise than we did when we decided that this was not worth our money. Um, more than
that, I think we find ourselves, just like I said when we were talking about, and I know it's not safe streets, but it was that study where people are getting hurt on county and state roads, and we're they're looking to us to pay for
it. US One is not our road. Yet, we're being looked at to fix or f or fund or find a way to fund a bridge that is crossing a street that is not ours. So, I I ask myself, in a city the size of
ours, with a budget the size of ours, and a populace the size of ours, why on earth would we undertake something like this that has relatively small benefit to us? Because You did just mention
there are various ways to cross US1. My husband can attest each crosses it probably more than once a day and >> probably more than all of us. >> Exactly. More than all of us probably combined. >> And he doesn't ever have a problem. And
again to to fork out even $200,000 to figure out, hey, what's the bridge going to cost us today? I think is highly irresponsible considering everything that we are possibly facing and the changes we want to make. to our own city as a whole. Why on earth would I even
spend $2 trying to figure out a bridge for someone else? Doesn't make any sense for me. >> Understood. Sir, any thoughts? >> Um, yeah. So, obviously I was part of
the commission even while some of these studies were being approved and eventually when we decided not to do it. I think now I've kind of come to the conclusion that I think a lot of the positives of this can be accomplished for less money in different ways. You know, if we're looking for much nicer
signage or to potentially pacify US1 if we can, not that the road belongs to us, but different ways of doing that. Uh that might be better money spent and less of a risk on on our part to be able to do it. Beautify it, pacify it, come up with signage that can help us, things
like that. But I think it can be done in other ways. >> Further thoughts, Shakai? >> I I think that there's three major crossings. Sunset, uh, 57th Avenue, and then 70 70th Street. So,
I see more and more usage model of people crossing the street. I don't know if if the idea is that we want people to cross from one side to the other. I think people are going to cross, especially all all the residents that we have coming in on the other side on the
west side of US1. They're not going to want to go up and across when we have three easy intersections that are working. I think they would rather wait the 20 seconds, let the light turn and cross over, and then go all the way upstairs, go all the way across, and then come back down. Where I think I agree with you,
Commissioner Bonich, is that this would be something very useful if it was a direct connection from the metro station to a major structure like Sunset Place, but that doesn't really involve us, right? So that, you know, CRA uh with the county and figure out how they can
go get that done. That's an opportunity that we can help with. But I I I mean, look, it looks great, right? It looks good in this picture. Um I just it depends. I'm very skeptical about the usage model. Um I don't think
that necessarily the usage model on the Friday's bridge is going to do steel Fridays. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um I think it's going to get a lot more usage with all the new model that's coming there with the new student housing. But that's two buildings. >> I know I have a lot more
>> and I think the difference is unlike our condition, there are no immediately accessible at great crossings there because we've basically fenced in that whole perimeter. So I that's I I kind of I share your skepticism. Um again I wanted to bring it back because again we had this grant
opportunity. We've done the design a large portion of the design. There is a backend piece to help us finance. I'm going to say we have to pay for all of it but we do have a way now to find a path to doing it. Before we had none. I think it is substantial amount of capital that's dedicated to it. My biggest concern has always been if we
spent it would it get used? And I'm, you know, that that that question would be something I would want answered before I wanted to spend any money on anything else, whether it's design or what not. I really understand what the utilization model would be given the conditions here. Um, but I I share your skepticism
quite honestly. So, yes, sir. >> I had another question for you. You would know more than I would. Um, is this something the grant or anything that we can provide to like the third party uh uh Midtown developers to figure out if they can use that said grant? We
have a lot of the infrastructure. Maybe we can connect them with them. They can get this the the uh the >> I think one of the figure out if that's something that they want to go work on. >> One of the alternatives had the connection landing at the entire kingdom site, right?
>> Yeah. >> If you're looking at what they're doing, an atgrade crossing that was an enhanced something pretty whatever that you were actually alluding to, I think would be if they were considering anything that
would be better for them because if not you're taking the bridge is if there is a bridge the bridge draws your eye. >> So if if you're a developer and you're building all of this thing the last thing I think you want is a bridge. >> The the only thing that I would say about that is that if we're using a
metro station and this is a destination that's going to be used a lot more. >> No the direct it would be this one not I'm not talking about this one specifically. Again, one of the options, one of the options actually connected had the landing on the east side, east and south side
>> near the tire cate near the tire kingdom location. It's not the designed option, but there the study did look at that as a location. I think to your point, to his point, that would probably serve that property better certainly than this location. Again, what I what I'm hearing
generally is we don't think this is worth our time and I just want to make sure that we had a group understanding. we there are additional dollars that we could pursue. I don't want our team here pursuing grant dollar for something that we don't intend to execute. So my only
point bring this back was hey the only thing in my mind that has changed is we could choose to find a path to finance it now. It doesn't mean that we should or that we would want to, but there was the possibility through the CRA since we did make a commitment to spend $28
million of that present value future revenue on transportation related enhancements. This certainly fits within that bucket. So I think just quickly to wrap up the conversation, it seems like everyone's pretty much again the consensus is thumbs down on this. Yes.
Okay. If if I guess Mr. manager if they wants if we can be a resource to a project sponsor that thinks this could be highly beneficial. We certainly want to support you know the advancement of that on their behalf but I think from the position of the board is this is not something we really want to kind of
invest our time staff time and energy behind right now. Okay, let's close and move on um with that. And again, Mr. Alfonso, thank you so much for for your time. We appreciate you being a resource to us. Okay. Um,
Commissioner Ben, do you want to just take item M2 while we're here? >> Yep. It's actually super simple. >> Yep. >> Um, when we were looking at all of the possible charter amendments a while back, we picked, you know, the ones that we thought were the best and those are
being put on the ballot. the rest. We have a list somewhere in the universe of hey things to consider for the future. I had forgotten all about this because my planning board person was there forever, but now she's stepped back and
I wanted to see if there's any interest from any of you to put onto that list of charter amendments for a future date of the possibility of having land owners, commercial land owners, be part of the
planning board. They they have significant stake in this city and are financial investies just like all of the residents most times more than most of our
residents and they have no voice on our planning board and I I don't think that that's the right way to do it. A lot of the stuff that gets discussed at the planning board also affects them. So, I think that maybe we should consider as a
future charter change making it either a resident or a land owner. We don't have to decide. >> They are a resident already. >> Well, commercial. >> Yeah. I think she's I think she's asking us to consider a modification to the
charter in the future that would allow for a non elector because you have to be a voter. I think a resident elector. elect her to serve on the board. I look, I think it's a conversation we can have. I think the only thing I would say right now is >> I I don't know that I want to spend the
time having a big discussion about it just because we really can't act on it right now. >> It's my understanding from city attorney that to kind of move the question forward, we'd have to have language. >> No, no. And it's not something that we want to do. I'm not saying do it now. I think we should put it in the parking lot when we, you know, in a year or two
when we about a year out from the next general election, which would be, you know, in 2028. If this, I think, is something that we could certainly consider and have a longer conversation about. >> Somebody that is not me needs to remember this. >> Okay. >> I will never remember this after we have
this conversation a year from now. I It literally popped into my head because I had to replace my planning board member. I think it's a conversation to someone parking lot item for January of 2028. >> Can I leave some parting ways real quick? Mayor, I'm sorry. >> Sure. >> I would just say maybe instead of doing
that, we just remove it from the from the charter. Let it just be legislated part of the code. Just get rid of it and just put it in the code. Again, all things I would say we can discuss. >> Which is wait legally which is a smarter
option? I mean, both are options that were discussed at the charter review um committee meeting. >> Oh, really? I didn't mean >> Yeah, they intended. Well, that was actually the proposal to have a at least one commercial property owner. >> Oh, yeah. And I thought I was being super smart. >> Watch out everybody.
>> Maybe it was Manny the one that >> No, I doubt it because when I said it to him, he was like, >> heard it from you and said it there. [laughter] >> I know. I wish I wish I had that power. >> But yes, this is the only board that is um embedded in our charter. That was one of the discussions about possibly removing it.
>> Okay. Removing it from the charter, not adding commercial people. >> Correct. >> Got you. Okay. So, maybe the the discussion then to be had is removing it from our charter. That's actually a a good idea. And having it managed by code so that it can be easier to manipulate.
>> Okay. >> So, I mean, should we give direction to the clerk to do we want to bring back have her put a a uh I don't know what the right term is, but uh your mark. Yeah, earmark or a note on the calendar >> January >> for January. Have a discussion on January 2028 of the
>> 2020 because again we couldn't put it on the ballot. [laughter] >> Okay. >> We couldn't put on the ballot until we wouldn't want to put onto the ballot until 28 >> because otherwise we're paying for the election. >> Exactly. >> Right. So I think they just let start the conversation in January of 28 ahead
of either the August or the November general. You can then remind us of that time frame what the time frame we have to act within is. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> We can have a conversation those three or four months and decide what we want to revisit and put on >> based on the last the address
>> the you know the list of charter review committee recommendations that we did not >> move on to the is just one correct of that >> that is exactly the goal. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay Mr. Mayor. >> Yes sir. >> My apologies. Would [clears throat] it
be possible to jump out of order and take number seven since we have our federal lobbyists? >> Sure. Let's go right ahead. Um, >> item seven, >> if you can read the record, please. Item seven, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Miami, Florida, selecting and awarding a multi-year professional services
agreement to Becker and Poly PA for a federal learning services authorizing city manager to negotiate enter into a multi-year professional services agreement with the library consultant in an amount not exceed $40,000 annually for a three-year term.
>> Thank you, Mr. Manager. Do you want to add anything or Mr. Mayor? I mean, obviously uh Mr. Omar Franco from from Becker is is is online. He's in Washington and um may be able to ask him about bridge funding, but um um we uh this has been an ongoing
relationship and and um we uh needed to structure our agreement and provide for a multi-year agreement. So it's before you at a annual cost of $40,000. And so um we appreciate the consideration and he's certainly available to answer any questions.
>> Colleagues, any questions? If not, is there a motion? Mr. Franco, I don't want to um just again, thank you for appearing. If I don't think we have any questions for at this time, we'll entertain a motion to adopt. >> I'll move it. >> Have a motion by Commissioner Bonich. >> I'll second it. And and thank you, Mr. Blanc. >> Okay,
>> Minister. >> Okay, we have a second by Commissioner Cay. Um Madam Clerk, if you can call the RO, please. >> Yes, Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Oh, it's a public hearing as well. I'm sorry. >> Oh, it is a public hearing item. I'm sorry.
If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this body on item seven, which is the approval of a multi-year agreement with our federal lobbyist at Becker and Polyoff, please come forward at this time. >> And there's no one online. >> Seeing no one online and no one in the
chamber, we'll close the public hearing. Again, we had a motion by Commissioner Bonich and a second by Commissioner Cay. I'll ask the clerk to call the role again. Thank you. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Bonich, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. Yes, Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Item passes five, sir.
>> Mr. Franco, good job and keep that money coming, sir. We appreciate your help. [laughter] >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. Commissioners. >> Okay, let's take up item five, please. >> Item five, a resolution of the mayor, city commission of the city of South, Florida, approving a memorandum of
understanding with Waste Management, Inc. of order for a one-mon green waste diversion pilot program authorizing the city manager to finalize and execute the memorandum of understanding and expand funds for such purpose. >> Okay, colleagues, there any questions of Mr. Munoz to the manager on item five,
please? Everyone understand the objective again here trying to test out alternative to save money on waste disposition kind of consistent with our earlier discussion. Mr. Vice Mayor, do you have any questions? No. Okay. Um, madame clerk, if you can call the role on I need a motion to adopt item five,
please. >> It's a public hearing as well. >> No, it's not. >> Oh, no. Sorry. >> Sorry. No problem. >> I move the item. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> I'll second it. >> Have a motion by Vice Mayor Cory. A second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Madam Clerk, if you can call the RO, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay. >> Commissioner Bonish?
>> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 5 Z. >> Great. Okay, let's take item 15, please. >> Item 15. An ordinance of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida form amending section 11-18 municipal
collection service transition period established for modification of service parameters of chapter 11 garbage and trash of the code avoidances to provide for eligible large multif family residential properties to continue to receive city provided domestic garbage
collection services. >> Thank you. Um Mr. manager. Um I think Sorry, my apologies. Madame Mayor, sorry, Madam Mayor. [laughter] >> Madam, >> it's been a long day, folks. I apologize. Um Madame City attorney, Madam City attorney, you probably need a
madam mayor so we can keep things in order here. Uh madam city attorney, if you could just I we've discussed this before uh as we modified our our policy regarding waste collection. We had two communities that were affected, the Banyan and Miller 57.
And I think we were trying to find a path to continue to accommodate them as part of our residential waste program. So can you just walk us through the legal basis for for doing this? I know we had some conversation before. There was some concern about whether or not we could grandfather them. I just want to
personally understand how we got into a position that we felt that this policy was defensible. >> Sure, Mayor. Happy to answer that. Um I'm just pulling up the ordinance because it does spell out the history. I know we've gone back and forth on this
ordinance um over the years. So where we've landed now um after further operational and physical analysis from staff um and to ensure that there's fairness and we're maintaining um continuity of historical service
patterns. The city administration and you all today would be amending section 11-18 in the code to provide for the continued city provided garbage collection services to large multif family residential properties that exceed 20 residential units but have
historically received continuous city provided domestic garbage collection services since January 1st, 1979. >> Okay. So, so basically if they've been serviced from that date forward, we're saying
we're going to continue to honor that policy determination, whatever the basis was. >> Correct. >> Okay. And we think that that is legally defensible against any third parties who properties who may otherwise want to be serviced by us because they've been just
in continuous service since that period of time. >> Yes, we do. And um we can certainly confirm that on second reading as well in the ordinance. I I know we wouldn't have put it forward on the first reading um if it was not. So yes,
>> Mr. Manager and to you or Mr. Munoz, my only question is again this stays within the existing operational cost structure for solid waste residential program or does it affect our cost structure in light of the other modifications we made to kind of go from four to 20 units? Correct.
was the was the threshold. >> Yeah, Alex Munos, director of public works. So, yes, the presentations that we did before showed that and it does say up the this one we're already servicing them. So, it doesn't have there's no change. >> No, understood that we're doing it, but
we also are now expanding the cohort of >> up to 20. >> Up to 20. So, >> up to 20. >> The aggregate of that >> does it change our cost profile, right? >> Are we are we doing this in the same way? There was two there was two minor impacts, right, that we absorb. There wasn't an operational impact in terms of
adding equipment or personnel. There was obviously uh a change in the tipping fee, right, because we would have to pay for those additional units. Some came out as well, so you know, we did the the math on that, but um it was an additional Yeah, the additional tipping and then the the loss of franchise.
Okay. >> But it was something we explained that we could absorb. Okay. >> Just want to make sure that I'm remembering. >> No new staff and no new trucks. >> Want to make sure I'm remembering correctly. Thank you. Okay, colleagues, any any further questions? >> Can I make a comment? >> Please, you can. >> Um, so I I spoke to a resident today and
they're extremely happy with the situation. Uh, they had already gotten out of their contract. They've been on a month to month, so they've been working on this. So, they're extremely excited and they said, "Thank you." By the way, >> no, I'm I'm a happy farm. I will tell you that one of the one one of these communities we and we've had calls
recently myself and staff you know because they are large communities their waste piles are particular nuisance for a lot of the abuing single family neighborhood neighbors and so again I think we need to I would like to revisit
the conversation about I'm feel like I'm trying to invoke Josh Leeman here and eliminating or or modifying that service because we do see a lot of pilot on particularly for larger communities on these major corridors where it's easy for people to come in and just dump
their dump their third party. >> Oh, but this is >> not related to them. It's just illegal dumping. >> Correct. One of the I there was a neighbor was very happy that this was that they were being pushed out of the program because their pile would essentially go away. All right. So I just want to make sure that we some of
the it's again I'm not blaming the Bians or Miller you know 57 per se for that dynamic but I think it is just something a byproduct of the fact the service exists for a community this size that it you know a lot of stuff gets aggregated there some of which is from the neighbor
for that neighborhood some of which is from just people taking advantage of the fact that they can dump their waste there. Yes sir. >> Mayor there there's a secondary issue with those we'll call them central community piles which is if if if not illegal dumping but legitimate items were put uh on the pile but those are
typically charged for we don't know who to build because any resident within that community could have put that. So that's been the dual issue that we face right the nuisance attractive nuisance of the pile to to uh illegal dumping and then the inability to properly charge um
the the legal dumping that that we would normally charge for. So those are challenges with those central you know one pile for those communities. >> Yes ma'am. >> Thank you. I remember and maybe I'm remembering
incorrectly but I'm hoping my memory isn't failing me that when we are dealing with the community right be on 62 right behind where they're building sprouts they literally reach out to us when they are going to trim their trees
and we pick it up. Other than that, I don't think we do regular, you know, big claw pickup there. So maybe maybe that's something for us to consider on second reading that those larger scale
buildings don't have big trash pickup every week because it is essentially those bigger communities that have this big trash problem. I've seen it. I think we've all seen it. Um, I just happen to
drive by both and Miller 67, so I I see it more than most. I also think, it's funny you say, Josh Leeman, I also think we need to look again at how we manage
that big garbage pickup because our city is never completely cleaned up. And I don't think that it is beyond the realm of normality to say to somebody, you are Tuesday big trash pickup.
You can't have it out there, you know, more than 24 hours, 48 hours, whatever it is. My gardener knows big trash pickup is on Tuesday. So when he's cutting stuff at my house, he is there on Monday. >> The problem I would tell you what I the complaints I get about are not about the
green waste. It's about all the other stuff that goes onto the pile. >> You know, some of which is, you know, people have homebased businesses and they're dumping their business related items into our pile. So, we're, you know, we are a lot of the cost is being
externalized on us. Um, >> yeah, but that the only way that you can control that is by maybe >> I think it's I think it's in all I don't think time frame requires us to do enforcement. So, I would humbly tell you that's not our strong suit either. No
disrespect to our team here. We don't have the resources to be out there uh and doing it as aggressively. Or maybe we do and we're just not doing it. I don't know. I don't want to make those, you know, categorical statements, but it's not been our strong suit. It's been a it's a problem. Um I think it's
doesn't it does not um particularly these gateways create a really nice aesthetic for people coming through the city. Um I'd like to again going into the next budget cycle like for 20 20 we had a million projects. I know that Mr. Munoz has the lion share of them. So,
respectfully, I think over the next maybe we just want to hire a third party management consultant and say let's add that to the scope because quite honestly, we haven't talked budget yet. But one of my thoughts is we got $150,000 of surplus revenue. I'm either going to give it back because we can't really do a lot with it or we're going to figure
out if is there a strategic priority we want to fund. maybe hiring someone to study our current practice and come up with an alternative scheme where we basically are delivering a very high quality service but on a on a very different you know kind of call as you
need basis to your point so that stuff isn't sitting in the rightway for a full week. >> Yeah. >> Right. Including the stuff that's not supposed to be there. Now the greenways can be there all week. It's the trash that can't be there. And so, you know, I I I think we need to get serious about
putting some dollars to either study it or saying, you know, hey, maybe not this fiscal year, but next fiscal year. Let's put this on the priorities list and let's figure out how we reimagine the system because I think I'm happy we're solving a problem for these folks, but there are some extra negative
externalities associated with it. >> Yep. >> That I think just to create a very negative experience for other neighbors. >> I agree. >> We can do it with the app. Exactly. So with that, is there a motion to adopt uh item 15? >> I'll move it. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. Okay. Madam uh madam clerk, if
you can call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Bon. >> Yep. >> Vice Mayor Cory. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Item pass first. >> Right. Let's take up all the public hearing items we have left. Um can we read uh item six, please?
>> Item six. A resolution of the city commission of the city of South Florida declaring as required by section 200.065 for the statues of the city's proposed millage rate roll back rate computed pursuant to section 200-0651
for the statutes and a date time and place at which the first and second public budget hearing will be held to consider the proposed millage rate and a tenative budget for fiscal year 2026 2027. directing the city manager and city clerk to transmit and file this resolution with the Miami Day County
Property Appraiser. >> Okay, Mr. Riverall, you're recognized, please, for presentation on this item. >> Good evening, Mayor Commission. Um, as mentioned and provided in the workshop earlier this afternoon, uh, what we're proposing is to hold the millillage at
the same level at 3.95. Um this will be advertised on the trim notice. Uh there will be a two hearings and what that resolution is is presenting to uh all the people in the on that are receiving our trim notice that our public hearings for budget will
be in September on the September 8th and 22nd at 5:01 p.m. With that um I've given a lot of discussion earlier today on revenues and stuff.
questions, Mr. Riverall? None. Okay. Um, I just have one. I apologize. I was not here earlier. It's attained on a work matter. Um, we've gone through the budget pretty exhaustively with the manager and I appreciate the all the work you guys have done on it thus far and still got a ways to go before we
adopt the final product. But I think we are projecting, you know, net surplus revenues of like $150,000 plus or minus a few bucks. >> 129. >> 129. So again, for tonight, I'm going to support I want to keep the millillage flat, but going forward, if we're going to
structure our budget to just kind of give that money back essentially. Um what how how much would it impact the uh actual millillage that was adopted? Finally, >> we we ran that calculation. Um it's less than a tenth. It's a half of a tenth of a point.
>> Okay. So we go from 395 to 39. Okay. >> It would be it would be a little bit less. It would be I believe like >> 389 or Right. >> Okay. That's fine. I just wanted to get a rough estimate of what it would be. Okay. >> Further questions? >> Yeah. For sure. Yes. >> Discussion. That's what you would want
to do. >> That's your opinion on >> I mean I look um the truth is we're you know projects we we have a a lot of projects coming online and hopefully by fiscal year 29, right? uh fiscal year 28 will probably be pretty light on the
number of new construction projects that'll that'll hit before the January 1 date. Um you guys all know what my priorities has been. The manager knows it. I' I've been looking at hopefully creating capacity, holding the millage rate, you know, flat
so that we could give it back um in the form of improvements. I mean, it's going slower than I honestly would hope. It's none of our fault. It's just we, you know, we're, you know, market and actors take time to act. And there are also some other headwinds out there that are probably, you know, slowing down project
starts. Um, again, I like I said before, I'd like to find a way to, if we're going to keep that money, I'd like it to be for some sort of a strategic project that we can allocate those dollars to to accomplish something else. Whether it's, you know, financing a study to figure
out how to reimagine a service or some other idea. If not, I'm just throwing out there one thing we could do is certainly continue to nudge the millillage down, which certainly helps with some related conversations I know you and Vice Mayor Koy are having on annexation because it pushes our number closer to the county's county's uh
operating modes. Those are my thoughts preliminarily. Just putting them out there since I didn't get a chance to to share them during the budget workshop. I'm not a hard it's not a hard hard line item for me. >> It's a small I get it. I think that one of the things that we we spoke about is
that uh with the impending vote uh with tax reform that is really forcing our hand to return mil rate, right? So like our tax taxable reh revenue is actually decreased significantly which is really a cost savings uh across the board to
the to all our residents throughout the city. So reducing the mill rate, it was something that I I just like you, that's something I really wanted to continue to work on, whether it was commercially or giving back in improvements. If it wasn't revenue itself. >> Yeah. >> Um but now if the state forces our hand,
then that there's no real need because we're going to need all hands on deck moving forward. >> I I look I I think I was very worried about this issue in January. Today I'm pretty much happy to bet anyone that it's going to fail because it's not going to hit the threshold. I just don't see why as a political actor if I spent
a year in change talking about um substantial property tax reform why I would walk away from the issue in the home stretch in which I got out of the legislature to me makes no sense other than the governor has real thinks it must think must have calculated this is a politically losing issue and the easy
path is to scapegoat the legislature for not adopting his policy. That's how I read the tea leaves. I'm not really worried about this cataclysm, right? I think um we'll probably find ourselves we wake up on November was it November 3rd 4th of this year and the world will
be as it exists today from policy perspective I certainly understand wanting to kind of hold the line again this is not not a huge issue for me I just want to understand what the impact was >> but um that's where we are so with that by way of background yes ma'am
>> I I I think if we're looking at investing that money just throwing it out there for people to think about and you're not going to believe it's coming from my mouth. Um, Vice Mayor Corey for a long time has talked about reforestation of our city.
I our directors has really leaned into that and I think we would do our city a disservice if we started to cannibalize those funds that could be used for something that quite literally will visually affect every single one of us.
So, I just put it there. We don't really need to talk about it, but just something to consider. >> I think it's an excellent option. So, would support it. Okay. Um, do we have a motion on this item, Madam Clerk? >> I'm not. And it's a public hearing. >> It's a public hearing item. So, there's a member of the public who'd like to
address this commission on item six, which is our setting of the proposed millage rate for fiscal year 2027. Please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online. Madam clerk, >> no. >> We will close the public hearing. Uh
colleagues, is there a motion to adopt the millillage as proposed by the administration? >> I'll I'll move the motion. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez. A second by Commissioner Cay. >> Madame Clerk, with that, please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Bonish?
>> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 5 Z. >> Thank you. Uh let's read item eight, please. Item eight, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida calling a special election to be held on November 3rd, 2026 for the
purpose of submitting to the electric a proposed amendment to section 4 franchise of article 6 general provisions of the city charter as presented in a ballot question relating to franchises including to divine to finding the term franchise to to exclude leases providing for requisite ballot
language and chart amendment text for submission to the electorate. providing for the city code to utilize the services of Miami Day County Supervisor of Elections for the special election. >> Uh thank you madam clerk. Let's read items 9, 10, and 11 since they're all ballot questions and we can just discuss
them together. >> Okay. Resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Miami, Florida calling a special election to be held on November 3rd, 2026 for the purpose of submitting to the electorate a proposed amendment to section 3 publication requirements of article 6
general provisions of the city charter as presented in a ballot question to allow notice of proceed ordinance to be published as permitted by Florida law including on public accessible website providing requisite ballot language and charter amendment text for submission to
the providing for the city character to utilize the service of the Miami day county supervisor of elections for the special election. Item 10, a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South, Florida, calling a special election to be held on November 3rd, 2026 for the purpose of submitting
to electric a proposed amendment to section 5 powers and duties article 3 city manager of the city charter as presented in the ballot question to require that city purchases be approved in accordance with purchasing policies adopted by the city commission providing
for requisite ballot language and charter amendment text for the submission to the electric. providing for the city clerk to utilize the services of Miami Day County Supervisor of Elections for this special election. Item 11, a resolution of the mayor, city commissioner of the city of South, Florida, calling a special election to
be held on November 3rd, 2026 for the purpose of submitting to the electorate a proposed amendment to section 4 vacancies of article 2 city commission of the city charter as presented in the ballot question to extend the time for calling and holding special elections to fill commission vacancies and to conform
procedures to the requirements of county and state law, providing for the requisite ballot language of charter amendment text for submission to the electric providing for the city clerk to utilize the services of Miami day county supervisor of elections for the special election.
Thank you madam clerk. Um madam city attorney for for purposes of trying to expedite the conversation I'm going to try and summarize the effect of the four questions actually the first three I'll have you explain the fourth if that's fair. So number eight allows us to basically
determine what the maximum term of lease would be on any uh any city property. So if we wanted to contract beyond the current 50-year limitation, lease agreements would be excluded from that current limitation. Correct.
>> Not haven't gotten the hang of this yet. Yes. um leases would be excluded and also other limited um in limited term interests in city property. >> Okay. Um with respect to ballot item nine, basically we're allowing ourselves
more options with with respect to the method for public for publishing items. Correct. Which as I understand it will reduce our operating costs. >> Correct. >> Okay. For item 10, um we're basically taking the purchasing standards that the manager operates under out of the
charter and we will be uh adopting them by ordinance so we can modify them as needed over time without having to go back out to referendum in the future. Is that the effect of that item? >> Yes, that's the effect. And it it does call for it to be approved by ordinance as part of the budget process every year.
>> Okay, great. And then can you explain item 11? What's the effect of it? >> Sure. So, um, this was a question. Oh, this is the vacancy question. Um, right now the ch
our city of South Bambi charter provides that vacancies have to be held within a certain time frame um, which is somewhere between 30 60 um, 30 to 60 days. The effect of this amendment would
be essentially to extend the period for when uh the city would have to call and hold a special election in the event of a vacancy. And that's really just to comply and to allow for us to schedule um the special elections in coordination
with the supervisor of elections. >> Okay, great. So basically, we're conforming with their process. >> We would be they don't really have a time frame, but they usually need more than 30 days, >> 60 days to go. Okay. >> Right. So the recommendation actually claimed from the clerk we should extend in that time period and that way also if
electors were or residents were to look at this they would say they wouldn't be concerned that you all didn't hold an election uh within within the time frame. Sorry I don't think I made myself clear there. If the charter says you have to hold it within 30 days but the
supervisor won't consent, we don't want to be in violation of our charter. So we're extending the we would be extending the period effectively. We'd be extending the period based on the determination of the supervisor election. Correct? Whatever that period is. So, she says it's not 30 days, it's got to be 90 days. >> It would be held in 90 days. >> Correct.
>> Okay. Colleagues, any questions on the four items? >> Okay, let's go left to right. Madam uh commissioner, you're recognized. >> Yes. >> Sorry. >> 9 10 11 make sense to me. Even the way they read is simple. If you read eight,
there is a ton of words there. There has to be an easier way to say this. If it wasn't because Jav sitting here explaining to me exactly what that says and I was just, you know, any person standing there trying to vote, I would
have no freaking clue what you're trying to tell me here. So, I am a hard no on this unless we can as a group come up with a better way of saying this. If what we're trying to get through here is
we want to be able to change the leases the the time of the lease, then we've got to say that. I mean, if you eat this, I mean, it's like a word salad. And I get it. Like, sometimes people are trying to confuse people. That shouldn't be what we're trying to do as a city.
Yeah, quite. >> Thank you. >> So, um I I agreed with uh I agree with Commissioner Bonich. The thing is I spoke to the manager. So, if you read the language, I mean what you're reading
here, read it. It says so basically what it's doing, it's remove out of out of it's removing leases out of it. So, then leases and 99year leases and It's no longer 50
>> by by exclusion. Basically, that's the way that >> if you didn't have the city manager and the city attorney and the mayor, you wouldn't know what that mean. >> Correct. Because the reason there it's not exactly it's not stating it like you said. So, can I just jump in here and say, um, Madam City attorney, is there a
way to recast the language between now and the end of this meeting so that it can read more affirmatively expressing what the actual change is, which is you restate there's a prohibition in the charter in the section on leases of a term of greater
than 50 years. >> Yes. your your approval of this item would allow the commission to enter into an agreement or enter into leases with it with it with a maximum term that they determined to be appropriate. Something that's a little bit more
direct as opposed to you're now trying to say only franchise agreements are subject to that term. >> Okay. So, if I may, mayor, I think it would be helpful if we go to the actual language of the franchise definition and
maybe we can work from there. Um, >> yeah, to page three. Um, >> or it's page six of the ordinance or the resolution. >> No, it's another
>> it's uh exhibit A, the text of the proposed charter amendment. So, we definitely want to make sure that the chart the text change reflects the question and to your point, Commissioner Bonich, we we can't have misleading ballot language and we want to make it
does have to be accurate. So I just want to make sure that you all are okay first with the text amendment uh which is deleting from the definition of franchise leases and any agreement from a ter for a term of three years or greater uh that
would grant give convey or give a person any interest in real property owned by the city of Miami a limited term of years um a franchise. So that's the first half of the question. We're basically deleting from the definition of franchise leases and those other
granting, giving, conveying or otherwise encumbering um our real property for a limited term of years. And so we've now defined franchise to mean a special privilege or right granted by the the city commission to a
private entity allowing uses of the of public property for constructing, operating, and or providing a utility or other public service for a term of 3 years or more. And we specifically say a franchise does not include a lease which remains subject to article 2 section six
of this charter. That's we added that language since we saw you at the last meeting because we did want to make clear that leases would still be subject to article 2 section six uh which provides that there's still
a super majority uh vote required for a um for a lease that there would no longer be >> that there would no sorry there would no longer be the term limit for years. How many how many words are we at with the
with the proposal that you have in front of us? We're limited 75, correct? >> Yes. Let me double check that because we went back and forth between I think we had a little bit a few words to play with, but I I think
we're pretty close to the >> and do you maybe want to read the question out loud and maybe >> Yeah, I'm happy to read the question out loud so I'm make sure we're all reading the same thing. Thank you. Uh for question for item eight, it reads, "The charter currently defines a franchise to include leases and other
limited term interest in city-owned real property, requiring two public hearings and limiting the term to 50 years. Shall the charter be amended to narrowly define a franchise as a privilege granted to a private entity to use public property for utility or public
service, excluding leases and other limited term interests from those requirements? I will tell you that is not if I read that it's not going to induce me to want to vote for it. Again, I don't think it's misleading.
>> I do think it's also underelling the safeguards that still remain. So, if I were to suggest a modification be to add language saying excluding leases and other limited term interests from those requirements, but still requiring their approval by a supermajority vote of the
board. Right. I counted 68, but it might be 67. So, mayor, I think I hear you. So, basically, just you want we would add still requiring >> No, but this this is the actual question. What what they're going to vote on is this
here. No, that's the actual >> Sorry. What can I >> You're reading the actual question. >> I'm reading it, but the actual That's the way I read it, too. >> Is it line is I'm sorry. Is it lines 108 to 112 that are going to be on the ballot
>> or 129 to 14? >> 129 to 143. >> I read 108 to 112. >> Yep. So, it's actually reflected two times. Uh that's just the notice, okay, in 108 through 112 and then the official
ballot language. >> It's the same question though. >> Okay. >> It should be the same question. >> Confusing the hell out of me honestly. >> There's two two official. >> So 68 >> 68 words manager counted.
>> I I don't know that more words makes this more palatable. Sometimes it is. I think it does simply because if I were to I mean look we all have a healthy skepticism of our elected officials including all of us
notwithstanding how great I think we all are [laughter] right but I think if you say excluding leases and other limited term interest from those requirements with the exception of a required supermajority vote right all of a sudden
say oh okay there still is a safeguard right not as to the term but as to the consensus that's required for a lease to be approved. Right? So, I don't know if adding the words with the exception of a supermajority vote keeps us under the
75word threshold. >> Can we can we take out narrowly define a franchise? Like, you know what I mean? If you want to add those words, are there words in this word s we could take out?
What words are you? >> We could say redefine. >> Well, hello. >> Wow. [laughter] >> Where' you pop out of? >> Wait a minute. I just as a as a as a point of personal curiosity that just got out. >> Really? >> Yeah.
>> So, you had the whole item. >> Every Sorry, I don't mean to take away from this from this. >> We'll talk about everybody who came to speak on your item >> spoke on mine. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. You're welcome. Glad I was able to get out of there quickly. >> Much appreciated. I [laughter] took it
for for you. Took one for the team. >> Thank you. >> And you are, sir. [laughter] >> Your name and address, please. >> 2800. >> So, Mr. City attorney, we were we were just discussing the language on 108 to
112 or 134 to 138, which is the official ballot language. Mhm. >> Commissioner Bonich was concerned that this is very opaque and difficult to understand. I understand what she's saying. Although
I think it's clear, right? What concerns me is more the fact that as a lay person, if I'm reading this, it reads to me that we are exempting leases from all of the
term requirements without expressing to the public that there still are safeguards as to the threshold for their approval. Right? Mhm. >> So my preference would be to if we can within the 75word limit add some language that said at the endless to say excluding leases and other limited term
interests from those requirements with the exception of a required supermajority vote or something to that effect since that at least when you read it would say okay there's still a higher threshold
for the adoption of a lease. If we how many >> 68 words I believe. >> Okay. Oh, you got it. Proposal. >> There are 68 words currently. >> 68 currently. Okay. >> If hyphenated words are two words. >> Yeah, they are.
>> Yeah. Just >> from a legal stand. This is the fun sausage making in government right here. >> Right. So if we if we're at if we change narrowly define to redefine a franchise so that we we we save one word there. So
we're down to 67 and then we add which will still require a super majority vote. That's 68 69 70 71 72 73 74. Oh, that's tight. Can't you remove >> narrowly define a franchise as a
privilege granted to a private entity? Like can't you say that >> in normal people talk? Can you just say >> can you can we just say also shall the B char be amended to retain the definition the existing definition of a franchise
skip the description >> and exclude only or only be revised to exclude leases in let me say let me let me think about this shall the charter be amended to retain the existing definition of a
franchise with the exception of leases is and other limited term interests. >> I think >> who shall only be subject to a supermajority which shall only be subject to supermajority vote of the city commission. >> Just for clarification, are you leaving the authorization as a charter
requirement? That supermajority because then it sounds like it's being left in the charter. >> It's not in the charter. >> It's No, it is in the charter. It's an article. What what what's the article reference? What I'm saying is are you taking out the authorization out of the charter or is that supermajority staying
in the charter? >> No, it's staying in the chart. >> Okay. Yes. I just want to make sure what the intent was. >> But I think that misses the point that we actually are redefining what a franchise is. >> Yeah. But you say to we are shall the charter be amended. >> I don't think we need to narrowly
define. I think we can just say shall the charter be amended to define a franchise because we really are defining what a franchise is and or or no we're not we the definition exists right to retain the definition of a franchise and
exclude leases and other limited term interest from those from from the definition >> the page six has the a revised wording of a franchise so I think that's what madam attorney was saying right that that on page six,
franchise is being redefined. >> Yeah. But we can we can say to to re we can say to redefine the definition of a franchise to solely exclude leases and other limited term interests to exclude leases which will still
require an ordinance adopted by a super majority. As long as we get rid of the whole definition, I think we'll be all right on on terms. What we don't capture in that under that scenario is other long-term interests because there those are different requirements for long-term interest than there are for leases.
That's the challenge that we have. >> What's the difference there? >> The in the other parts of the charter, the leases require an ordinance and a supermajority. The other long-term uh interests don't necessarily require that. Like a resolution, like an easement would require a resolution.
Okay. But we could specifically go to leases. So if we were to say, shall the charter be amended to redefine a franchise agreement to exclude leases, which will still require an ordinance
adopted by a supermajority. I think we should be okay on words, but let's let's each count. Okay, let's let's let's table this one and >> Okay, >> any questions on item nine, colleagues? >> No.
>> Any questions on item 10? >> No, I think we said only eight. >> Only eight. Okay. So, let's open the public hearing on all four items. Is there any member of the public who'd like to address this commission with respect to items
8 9 10 and 11 which are proposed amendments to the charter to be placed on the uh November 3rd 2026 ballot. Please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we will close the public
hearing. Let's get a motion if there is one in order for items 9, 10, and 11. >> I'll move them. >> Okay, >> I'll second. We have a motion by Commissioner Bonich and a second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Madame Clerk, can you call the role on items 9, 10, and 11?
>> As for item nine, um, Commissioner Bonish, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 5. >> Thank you. I'm going to propose we table item eight to the end of the meeting. >> Okay. give um our city attorneys a
little bit of time to work on some alternate ballot language and we can revisit the conversation then. Okay. >> All right. >> Let's go to item 12, please. >> What about 10? >> We we voted on them already. >> I think she said, >> well, I said nine, but >> Oh, but it was all one by one.
>> Yeah, she said. >> Okay, so item >> Do we need a vote separate vote on 10 and 11? >> You know what? Let's just do it. >> Huh? >> Yeah, let's just do a separate >> Okay. Uh we've got a motion. Is there a motion on item 10? >> I'll move the motion. >> Is there a second? >> I'll second. >> Okay. So, a motion by Rodriguez, a
second by Cayenne. Madam clerk, please call the role. >> Okay. Commissioner Bonish. >> Yes. >> Commission Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes. >> There a motion item 11. Please. >> I'll move it. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Second.
>> Have a motion by Commissioner um Bonich, a second by Commissioner Cay. Madam clerk, please call the role on item 11. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish. >> Yes. Commissioner Kay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> It passes.
>> If you can read item 12, please. >> Item 12, a resolution of the mayor, city commission of the city of South, Florida, authorizing the city manager to negotiate and enter into a multi-year agreement with the elevator communications group LLC for elevator monitoring emergency communications and
services for the city elevators. >> Thank you. Uh, Mr. Moses, anything you want to add for the record? This is a multi-year service contract for elevators. [laughter] >> Uh, yes. This is a replacement contract for the changes that we made over at the parking garage. We have to provide this
service. Currently, we're providing it a different way, which is not really in compliance with what we need to be doing. So, this gets us in compliance. It's here in front of you because exactly what you said. It's a multi-year contract only. It's about $2,400 a year, but it is a multi-year contract for three years. >> Colleagues, any questions? Okay. Uh, is
there any is there any member of the public who would like to address this commission on item 12? Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we'll close the public hearing. Is there a motion? Item 12. >> I'll move it. >> Is there a second? >> A second. >> A motion by Commissioner Bonich, a
second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Madam Clerk, please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commission Bonich, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Item passes 5 Z. >> Madam clerk, if you could read item 13, please. >> Item 13. A resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida
authorizing the city manager to negotiate and execute multi-year professional services agreement with urban SDK, Inc. for traffic and geo um data and decision support software services in amount not to exceed $11,818.
>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Chief, anything for the record? Okay. Colleagues, any questions of the chief on item 13? >> No. >> Nope. Okay. So, this is a public hearing item. If there's any of the public who would like to address this commission on
a contract uh with SDK, Urban SDK, Inc. Um have one question. Sorry, >> you're recognized. >> Um Chief, is there any way that I was just looking at the data reports with director Munoz on an SDK? My understanding is that we used to do we can do traffic counts as well through
the SDK system. Is that affirmative or negative on that? >> They can do hard counts. Uh it's a separate uh traffic study that they can do. Yes. Not with this the current software that we have here. >> So how do we do it? >> They they'll aggregate some data for us, but it's not a hard count that the
county would accept. >> No, I it's not about the county. It's for our information. But is it part of the system now or it's something separate we have to go to? I'm sorry. It could be separate. Sir, >> is that something we have to pay for? >> Uh, I'll have to check on the the if it's a hard count. Yes, it's something
separate we'd have to pay for. >> But I think I just want to clarify something. We we are able to extract a volume. >> Yes, we can extract volume, but it's not the exact, >> but it's not exact because it's it's aggregating smart technology, so it doesn't pick up every single car, but it
does generate a volume report. Just I just want to make sure we're on the same page. um as well as an average speed, right? So, there is a volume. >> I saw the report earlier today and and I saw the average speed. I just didn't see a count. >> We we've done it for I I don't know what analysis that was for, but we we've done
volumes for other >> Yes. >> Okay. Yeah. >> You guys say so. >> Yeah. Now, it it it doesn't replace the physical count, right? Um, and it's not 100% because it's picking up on smart technology which doesn't pick up every
single card. But I just want to clarify the issue. There is a volume uh um that provides well we've used it in a couple of instances where residents have complained about volume and speed and so we responded to both of those.
>> Okay. We'll we'll share a couple other reports that maybe we've pulled or or we can run some new report just to demonstrate that. >> Thanks, man. >> Thanks. >> Thank you, Chief. We appreciate it. Again, if there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item 13, please come
forward at this time. Okay, seeing no one in the chamber. And again, madam clerk, no one online, we'll close the public hearing. Uh, Commissioner K, you want to move this item? >> Uh, yeah. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> I'll second it. >> Thank you. A motion by Commissioner Cay, a second by Commissioner Rodriguez.
Madam Clerk, please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Bonich, >> no. >> Vice Mayor Corey, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 41. >> Thank you, madam clerk. If you can read item 14, please. Item 14, an ordinance of the mayor and city commission of the
city of South, Florida, establishing general obligation bond debt services for 202 and general obligation bond capital projects fund 302 amending the city's fiscal year 2025 2026 budget to provide for the appropriation and
reappropriation of funds associated with the city's general obligation bond program. >> Thank you. Mr. Riverall, you want to just quickly put two comments in the record on item 14? Evening mayor and commission. Uh this is
establishing the 302 and 202. They are all both funds are related to general obligation bond. It is for better transparency, transaction and reporting to have all anything and all activity related to any projects that are funded or financed from the go to be in these
two specific funds. And this is only creating those funds, not making any financial other than already what's adopted in the fiscical year 26 budget. It's just a creation and moving the monies there. >> Thank you, sir. Colleagues, any questions, Mr. River? Seeing none, let's
open up a public hearing. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on the creation of these two uh project funds in our budget, please come forward at this time. Seeing no one again in chambers and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Is there a motion on item 14, please?
>> I'll move the motion. >> Is there a second? >> If a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Commissioner Cay. Madam Clerk, if you could call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> It passes 5.
>> Thank you. Um, Mr. Russio, Miss, do we need a few more minutes? >> We can take a fiveminute recess if that's fine. >> Please, please. Thank you. Let's take a quick fiveminute recess to give them some time to polish the language and we'll be back shortly. Okay, we're calling to order again this
meeting of the South Miami City Commission. >> Madam clerk, again, if you could just read for the record item eight, please. Item eight, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida calling a special election to be held on November 3rd, 2026 for the
purpose of submitting to the electorate a proposed amendment to section 4 franchise of article 6 general provisions of the city charter as presented in ballot questioning related to franchises, including to define the term franchise to exclude leases providing for requisite valid language
and charter amendment text for submission to the electorate providing for the city clerk to utilize the services Miami Day County Supervisor of Elections for the Special Election. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. City Attorney, do you want to read the uh proposed revisions to the language once again and then? >> Sure thing. >> Just in abundance of caution, I'm going
to reopen the public hearing. Sure. >> Close it so people can comment on the modification and then assuming there's no discussion, we'll move to >> adopt the item. Okay. >> Perfect. Perfect. >> You're recognized, sir. >> Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Uh the So, the title would remain the same. revising franchise definition to exclude
leases and other limited term interest in city property. And then uh the question, the charter currently defines a franchise to include leases and other limited term property interest in city-owned real property requiring two advertised public hearings and limiting
the term to 50 years. Shall the charter be amended to define franchises as a right to use public property and to exclude property interests and leases where leases would still require an ordinance adopted by forfeits vote after advertised public hearing.
>> Okay, colleagues, any comments on the revised language? Yes, you're recognized. Commissioner Bich want to hear it again. >> Can you please read shall the charter be amended one more time? >> One more time, please. Shall the charter be amended to define franchises as a
right to use public property and to exclude property interests and leases where leases would still require an ordinance adopted by four fifths vote after advertised public hearing. >> Got
how many words we have there? >> 70. >> 70. Okay. Commissioner Gay, questions, concern? Thumbs up. Mr. Rodriguez, you're good from what you said, Mr. Vice Mayor. Madame Commission, you think that's a little bit more straightforward? >> Yeah, it it makes more sense. >> Okay, perfect. Okay, let's open up the
public hearing just to make sure we had one before, but we did change the ballot question. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item eight, which is a proposed modification to the definition of franchises in our charter
with the ballot language just read by the city attorney. Please move forward at this time. Seeing no one in the chamber and again, madam clerk, no one online, >> no one, >> we'll close the public hearing. Is there a motion to adopt item 8 with a language um ballot language as modified and read
into the record by the city attorney? >> We have a motion by Commissioner Kai. Is there a second? >> A second. >> Have a second by Commissioner Rodriguez. One one minor point which franchise is we have the words to say to define a franchise. Okay, which we are. So
>> so 71 words >> 71 words >> adding a >> a franchise. >> Okay. A franchise. Okay. >> With that final modification, does the mover accept it? >> Yes. >> Okay. And the seconder accepts as well. >> Sure. Okay. >> So we have an item in proper posture.
Madam clerk, if you can call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Kay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Bon. Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Item passes 5-0 as amended. >> Thank you. Colleagues, any further business before this commission?
>> Seeing none, we stand adjourned. Thank you everyone.