For Halloween, we had 12 amazing businesses that decorated their storefronts in the festivities of Halloween with one ultimately reigning supreme who's with us today. But to give recognition to all the businesses who did participate, we have Sunset In South Miami, Dragonfly Thrift Boutique, South
Miami Jewelers, Handin Stone, Armor Dance Theater, Kono Gelato, Pub 52, La 1789, Bouilas, Stretch Zone, Amsterdam Falafel, and Garcia with first place obviously going to Armor Dance Theater. So I invite them up for a few words.
>> Good evening. >> Thank you so much. Uh we are already beginning uh my brilliant team here are beginning the winter decorations and we're just trying to keep up with the decorations that the city has put out for the holidays. They're beautiful. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you. And thank you for being such a pillar of our community. We're really lucky to have you here >> headquartered in South Miami. >> We love South Miami. We're never leaving. Before Before you go, if I can impose upon you, because I don't think people appreciate just what a gem you are and how deeply you reach into so
many different communities across Date County, could you give us a quick overview of the program and the work you do, not only in South Miami, but but beyond? >> Sure. Um, well, basically in a nutshell, um, at Armor Dance Theater, we've been around for 76 years. Um, it was founded
by Thomas Armor, um, for 1949. We basically use dance as a vehicle um to get um to remove obstacles and barriers to create accessibility for all kids and our goal is really to get them to college and get them educated and get
them great jobs. So we are about 400 kids here in South Miami on the 73rd Street site and then we're at five elementary schools every day after school where we do not only dance but we do reading, math, um social emotional skill building, intervention, obstacle
removal. So, we've been doing it a long time and um it's been a very very successful program. >> And where are your other satellite campuses and programs? >> We're Miami Gardens Elementary, Morningside K8, South Miami Heights Elementary, South Miami Elementary, and Pine Villa Elementary.
>> Fantastic. And if I could just one last question, who who funds that work for you? Who are your who are your main patrons? >> Um well, we're we're always writing grants, right? So, we we have support from the county. We have a lot of support from the Children's Trust, a lot
from private foundations. Um, in the past we've been funded by the state, but that's a little bit tenuous right now in terms of arts organizations. Um, a lot of private donations, a lot of people who believe in the work that we do. So, we're very grateful to all of them. >> Well, I was lucky to attend uh the
preview for the Nutcracker and recognition to the Wilson family. Thank you to them for underwriting that performance. But, uh, honestly, we're really lucky to have an organization that, um, touches so many lives all across Me County. You guys do exceptional work. As a father of a, you
know, a former dancer before she became a volleyball player, uh, it was some of my fondest memories are in that little studio on the second floor. And so, again, congratulations to you. We'll let you get back to the important work you're doing tonight with kids who are still uh, over at your at your studio. >> Thank you so much, Mayor Fernandez. Thank you, Commissioner.
>> Can we take a quick picture with your team? >> Yes, sure. >> Thank you. Let's do that. I take a couple by the way, it is Giving Tuesday, so if you want to make a donation to the Arbor Dance Theater, I'm sure they'd welcome it. So, Okay, I think we have uh Mr. Manager,
one presentation that's not on the agenda. Would you like to kick us off? >> Uh mayor, um I I think yeah, you want to bring forward uh one of our directors um that uh is uh going to leave us and
and go to uh another position. Uh >> he's pulling Lane Keifin. >> I'm sorry. Yeah, we did see a jet a jet plane land nearby and uh but um >> our our parks director uh Quinn is is h
amazing opportunity to continue his professional growth and um um he will be leaving the city after over 12 years of serving this city u and going to city of Fort Lauderdale as assistant city manager and so we're we're certainly very proud of him and and and and
uh I think the city has been blessed under his leadership and and how he's moved mountains as it relates to our programming and our capital project. So, I told him the other day um that um that I have, you know, the utmost respect for him and his professionalism and and have
appreciated what he's done and certainly I I did share that I'd called the governor to doge the city of Fort Lauderdale. Um um so hopefully it's on the list. I would start with his job. Um but um Quinton has has has been an amazing asset to this community and and
who was certainly uh appreciative and the fact that Fort Lauderdale felt like he would be a great asset to the team as a compliment to the city and to his work. So um I know that uh you're going to be presenting something and this is a surprise to him. He doesn't know that this is uh was going to be on the agenda. That's why you mentioned the surprise.
>> Hopefully we'll embarrass him very well here. So um for those of you who don't know Q uh >> should make him stand. He should stand. Come up to the front, Quentyn. I He's no he's no stranger to the podium. So, uh, you know, he is, uh, the consmate professional. Uh, and you know, if you
know his mom, who I worked with on occasion, city of Miami, you see where he gets, you know, that work ethic and that, uh, and that attitude from. So, you really are credit not only the city, but to your family. So, congratulations. I'm excited for you even though it's very bittersweet to see you leave because we have been planning a lot of
big things here and I know you were excited about but um as a as a city it's great to see members of our team stand out be recognized and and get bigger and better opportunities right that's all all you know like any good parent that's what we want for our folks here as well so congrats to you and put you a little
bit closer to home which I know is will make it easier on your wife and your family so I'm looking forward to you being able to spend more time with your beautiful family and your kids and want to say that we wish you nothing but uh continued success. I have no doubt that uh in this new job with the added responsibilities you're going to shine
like you always have. Uh with that, I wanted to share a gift that we a couple gifts. The first is uh he was a big football fan and so we thought we'd get him a jersey for one of his favorite teams. Y >> is that the right time? >> Yes, sir. >> This this better not be from the
University of Miami. >> There you go. Okay. got throw it up before you leave, right? >> But no, no, seriously, uh, in in recognition of your service, >> we will expect you to wear that for the rest of the year since you did lose to us this season for all the Gators on the
days, >> but we did get you uh a 12 and it's not for it's not for uh your favorite quarterback, Mr. Goator. >> Exactly for your 12 years of service. >> So, Q. >> Oh my god, that's so cute. There you go.
>> Commissioner Bonish, thank you very much for that. >> It's not a Chris League jersey. There you go. >> But uh no, but we also have a proclamation which is the least we could do to say to honor you on this day and say um and I'll read the recitals which you tend not to do because they're long,
but you deserve uh every every word in here. And it says, "Whereas the city of South Miami proudly recognizes individuals whose dedication, professionalism, and leadership have significantly enriched the lives of our residents and strengthened our community." That's very true uh in your service. And whereas Quentyn Pew, I
always screw up his name, joined the city of South Miami August 19th, 2013 as assistant parks and recreation director, bringing with him extensive experience in parks management through his service with the city of Miami and the city of Miami Gardens. And whereas shortly after joining our team, Quentyn's exceptional
leadership, vision, and commitment to public service led to his appointment as director of parks and recreation September of 2014. And whereas in 2023, in recognition of the expanding scope and impact of the department, Quinton's title was formally updated as director of parks, recreation, and culture,
reflecting his leadership and advancing not only recreational services, but also cultural programming for the community. And whereas throughout his tenure, Quentyn has demonstrated unwavering dedication to enhancing recreational opportunities, invest improving parks, facilities, expanding cultural initiatives, and ensuring high quality
service for residents of all ages. And finally, whereas for 12 years, Quinton has served the city of South with integrity, professionalism, and a genuine passion for the community enrichment, leaving an enduring enduring legacy that will benefit residents for years to come. and whereas he's announced his resignation effective
December 12, 2025, making the conclusion of a distinguished chapter of service to the city and the beginning of a new of new opportunities ahead. Now therefore, I, Javier Fernandez as mayor, along with my colleagues on the city commission, Vice Mayor Brian Corey, commissioners Lisa Bonich, Steve Cay, and Danny
Rodriguez proclaim the city of South Miami uh and our heartfelt appreciation for Quinton Poe for Pew for his exemplary service, leadership, and commitment to our department and wishes him continued success and fulfillment in all future endeavors and declare this
day in your honor. Congratulations. >> Thank you. Colleagues, why don't we go around the horn and say a few words before we come down and take a picture? >> I am not surprised at all that you're moving on to bigger and better things. I will miss you. I think most of us, if
not all of us, will you carry yourself? I think I think people have big shoes to fill when they're going to take over your position. Your shoes will not be filled. Somebody else will have to figure out how they manage. Um, and go
Gators. We beat FSU. We're happy people today. >> Go Gators. Thank you. >> Thank you. This is a very bittersweet. I've been uh uh on the commission here almost about half the time you've been here. And even before that, I think it's
very clear the work you've done. You can see it in the parks and probably the greatest parks transformation story in the past 20 years from any city. Um, you have such great vision, such hard work, and you really left no park behind in
the in the 12 years you were here. Uh, you pushed so hard for everything that you can do. Obviously, you got to work with these people up here, but like, you know, you have done just such an incredible job. And when I got that notification that you were leaving, I was just like, ah. It took me like a
couple weeks, maybe. I'm still not completely over it, but you did such a great job. You got stolen. you're you're you're you're amazing and I know you're going to do amazing work there and again it's going to be very hard to replace you but I wish you uh absolutely the best of luck. >> Thank you, Vice Mayor. >> Yeah,
>> I I I told Q earlier when when we got the announcement that uh that he was uh leaving, I thought he was going off to referee college basketball. >> I was like, "Oh my god, we're going to see him." Uh but no, you know, we've been working together for a year now. um
right from the jump of of of me coming in a year ago, you know, I immediately texting him about Tammy and about all the things that that that you know, I I saw for for parks and for kids and all that and responded to every single one
of them. You were professional. You came through with responses to everything. You know, it is definitely a sad day that you're leaving, but congratulations to you. I know, like the mayor said, you're going to be closer to your family
and you know, Fort Lauderdale is very lucky to have you and you're leaving very big shoes to fill here. So, my friend, congratulations again. >> Thank you, Commissioner. >> I I'll tell you guys a quick story about Q. So, when he called me and he's like, "Steve, I'm leaving." He's like, "I
heard." And uh I go, "Que, be honest with me. Did we Did we overwork you? Did we did we give you way too much?" Because, you know, we're we're pretty ambitious. >> A little aggressive. We're a little aggressive up here, but Q, did we did we burn you out? He's like, nah, man. He's like, on the contrary, I love what you
guys are doing. I love the work and you guys kept me busy. I loved it. Thank you guys. And I was like, that's who Q is and I really appreciate that. You're going to fly high, man. And I'm happy for you. And you know, I love you, buddy. >> Thank you, Commissioner. So, I only have one request. Uh, since he ran on getting
rid of portaotties, we're inaugurating the bathroom next week. You got to come back for that event. It's my only condition on your separation from the city. So hopefully we'll see you. >> It'll be here. Excellent. Glad to hear that. So >> we'll see you all on December 11th, 4:30. >> And we'll have and we'll have we'll have some gift certificates Chipotle for you
for your uh for your journey up to Fort Lauderdale. So, >> Mr. Manager, do you want to add anything else or or >> No, Mayor, thank you. I I appreciate the the time uh um to to recognize, you know, somebody. It's always important how our organization, you know, on boards somebody and and and how they
thank somebody uh on the way out. I mean, we're going to be brutal to him to the very last minute. Uh he know he knows that. Uh but it's it's uh certainly gratifying to to hear his colleagues uh you know with the praise and comments and of support and certainly from my standpoint appreciate
um all the work and the diligence to to to make this city shine and and certainly you know make this administration um always striving for excellence. So, I appreciate that uh Q and um I I look forward to going over and being a Gadfly and speaking at Fort Lauderdale Commission meetings
and I'll sign up for remarks and I'll have my my uh two minutes of fame and u but I I am uh eternally grateful for for your work and is so appreciative. Um and I know that um you're closer to home and and that's important too with with a
little one. um you you you may be there longer than here, but you're closer, too. So, we we talked a little bit about that. So, uh on behalf of all the administration, and I said that before the employees, we we thank you for for your leadership and dedication and certainly appreciative. Um and so I
appreciate the commission taking time to to for this recognition. >> Please, Mr. Director. >> Thank you, manager. Lucky for me, um Fort Lauderdale's commission meetings are on the same night, the first and third Tuesday of each month, so you'll be occupied. Okay, we'll cancel one just
for you and take the bright line so we can avoid the traffic. So, >> um if I may, I would love to say a few words. Uh definitely unexpected. This was not on the agenda. Um however, when you work for parks and wreck, you always have to be ready. So, I have a few talking points here that I would like to
share. >> Um thank you all so much. Uh after 12 years of service, I want to express my deepest gratitude uh to the past and present uh city commissions. Uh thank you for your vision and your continuously support um supporting the
growth of our parks and program. To our city manager, uh thank you for your leadership and unwavering support throughout my time here. Um to the community, thank you for embracing me, trusting me, and allowing me to serve you. It has been an honor. And last, but certainly not least, to my incredible
parks and recreation team. You are the heart of everything we have accomplished. Your dedication, passion, and resilience made every success possible, including me. Thank you all for the privilege of serving this city. I appreciate you all. >> Thank you, sir.
Okay, madam clerk, can you read the next presentation item, please? >> Yes. Joel in South Miami. >> Great. Thank you. Uh, I believe we have a presentation. Commissioner Rodriguez, do you This is your item, correct? >> Yeah. Do you want to lead us in? >> Sure. So, a couple weeks ago, uh, I had
the privilege of meeting with, um, Les and Will who represents Jolt. I know that they had, uh, spoken with the manager previously over a year ago, I think it was, um, to put their electric,
uh, charging stations, but at the time it was for Sunset. And obviously we know with the placerbia and with the whole um you know redoing of of of Sunset Drive that wasn't going to be possible.
So we explored the option of of possibly three options in in South Miami of putting these charging stations. And I think one of the first one which would be a a a a great area to put it would be right in front of the Avalon building.
So, it would be the last parking space to the east uh in front of the fresh market. And the reason for that is because that's set. That's that's the future of what our city's going to look like. And having electric charging
stations in a place like that starts showing a model or representation of what the future of our city is going to look like. And what I liked about Jolt mainly is that it's not just um you know uh Chargepoint and some of
these other companies just a it's just a a stand. Jolt provides with visual effects which also um provides the opportunity to advertise if uh in in conjunction with them advertise events
for the city. Also, in the case of any emergencies, um they'd be able to advertise any procedures or anything that the city is requiring residents to do as a emergency response. So, I I just found that what they're offering um they would cover all
the charges, um you know, I think it works in it works very well with the city. So will um if he's online and can hear me, he would be uh showing this presentation right there. That's that's how it would
look in front of um in front of Avalon. So Will, I'll let you take over. Uh can you hear me? >> Yeah. Go ahead. I'll unmute yourself. >> Hello. Sorry, I was having some trouble unmuting. Uh, yes, I appreciate it, Commissioner Rodriguez. Uh, yeah, I
believe we found some good locations that uh could provide benefits to the community uh with minimal sort of disruption or interruption with the revitalization that's going on in downtown with uh Placerbia. Uh so we've we've identified a handful of locations.
A couple along um Southwest 73rd as you mentioned uh right in front of Avalon and then a few other potential locations that I think uh would uh be a perfect fit really for EV fast charging um supported supported by advertising. And
so just as a sort of summary of what the offer generally is is that we would uh be paying the city for the ability to be here. We would be giving the city a profit share of the charging revenue. We would pay for all of the installation, all of the electricity, all of the
maintenance, and we would also give every user of these fast chargers a daily commute worth of energy for free per day. So, we really think it's uh sort of mutually beneficial. I think it would be great for residents and for visitors. We think it would drive
visitors to come visit uh South Miami and uh patronize some of the local businesses while their cars are charging uh and while they they receive that free energy from us. Um and also enable people who uh have EVs but don't
necessarily have a place to charge them at home to be able to charge them cost-effectively. Uh so with uh Commissioner Rodriguez's help, we we found some uh some really great locations, I think, and welcome any feedback or um uh questions on the
proposal here. >> Okay. Um colleagues, where do you want to start? Who wants to go first? >> Sure. >> Can we pop up the locations on there?
I I have more comments than anything else. I think this could be beneficial to the city. We'd have to see really and I think we should run through the slides afterwards just so we can see how it looks in the different locations. But I wonder why nothing in front of the
lot B or in that area where there is so much movement and has anyone considered the areas closer to where we're potentially looking at student housing because I will tell you the reason my
daughter's Tesla came back was because there was no no fast charging anywhere near her in Nashville. So, it's just something for us to think about. We also have to look at how we're going to make this not a billboard in your face because if if we can move to one of the
images, we we need to see how we make them not so I don't know the right word. I'm like, we're we're doing all this placemaking to make the downtown area seem more
upscale, but then we're popping these like in places maybe where they aren't at their best. So, I I think we'd want to maybe talk a little bit more about some of those locations with this one that we're looking at right now being my
real main concern. >> Okay. Vice Mayor, >> would do you want do you want to add something by way of clarification? >> Yeah. Okay. You're recognized. So, um, Commissioner Bonish, the reason that you're only seeing some there is because we didn't want to just put I mean, you
could go up to 20 locations. You can do as many locations. So, we just wanted to keep it very limited right now to just give the perspective of how it looks and show it to the commission. And then I mean if the commission's open to more
locations, I'm sure that they're very open to it >> or even just moving some of them from >> Yeah. Yeah. These aren't set in stone. These are just preliminary locations that can I imagine, you know, they'd be willing to to relocate to,
you know, based on the input that that the commission gives. >> Yes. Yes, sir. Let me go down the line and we'll come back. Let me go down to the vice me. I'll come back in two days. Yes, sir. Yeah, besides what uh Commissioner Benich stated, I don't see any major
downside. I do like the digital out of home advertising. I think it's a a a great new way for us to um further monetize the downtown as long as we do it in an aesthetically pleasing way. And then of course the uh EV charging is uh
definitely welcome and it's not like there's going to be less of those cars in the future. There'll likely be more. So yeah, >> Commissioner Kay, >> so we we've had this presentation from Jolt before and we've met many of times uh with Joel. I'm a big fan of what we
can do here. I think the direction that we had was it late last year sometime 18 months ago. >> You know, it's okay. It's not it's not I think the idea here was that we we we gave a little direction to make sure you meet with Placerbia and the way that we're doing all the placemaking to make
sure we have spacing, we have visuals, we have a lot of the things that we just didn't know at the time. We're getting a little closer. Um, but I didn't see that reflected in the maps, right? Whether we have one ways, what parking spots that are available or not available, those parking spots right there that we're
seeing visually might not be there in the future. So, those are the things that that I wanted to make sure as we I'm I'm a more of a planner. I like to plan and make sure that we're planning the whole sidewalks and streets and we have a lot of big I mean we're investing
a lot of money into our city in this particular area. I just want to see it incorporated with an idea working with our teams and planning and design to make sure that it all works feasibly. Right. I'm not a big fan of spot. You know, I'm sure you guys went around and looked around everywhere to see where it
would be great. I think there's a little bit more science that needs to be applied to this situation and the way that we're going to do this. um electrically, how we're going to get electric to the some of these places. I know you guys are going to take care of it. I just don't know if feasibly believe that you could do that. So, um I
would I would caution to take a step back before we take two steps forward and make sure we plan this correctly. Um I do like it. I I like it a lot. I've always liked it. Less, you know, I like it. Um I just I don't I don't I just want to make sure it's put in the plan, that's all. So, that's that's where I'll
stay with that. >> You may. Yes. Um great great comments uh uh Commissioner Cay. So these were again these are just preliminary really the ones that would be more would be implemented in I guess if you want to
call it phase one would be in front of Avalon um and and along 73rd uh because obviously we know Sunset Drive is going to change uh we know Dorne is going to change and all these all these other streets that are part of the pluserbia
and And one of the things that we talked about with less was um absolutely having discussions with preservia. So this all works in conjunction with each other. So just wanted to let you know that that was may >> you may was uh and I'm speaking to Jolt
now. Was there conversations with Pleria that have happened yet? Because I know we we spoke about this a long time ago. I wasn't sure if you guys actually had spoken have an understanding of what's coming down the pipeline. >> We we uh we reached out to them. We hadn't we had no contact back from them. So we tried. >> Well, that's fair.
>> Yeah, we we we had one uh preliminary discussion with them. Uh and but that was some time and then kind of uh went a little bit quiet on their end. >> And by the way, I don't expect Placervia to say yes or no. That's not the what what they're there for.
>> It's just Placervia has an idea of what the plan is. Uh what underground lighting that we just approved um infrastructure that's going to change. There's there's a lot of things underground that are going to change here. So I would just caution that we just do this correctly. I like I said I'm a big fan of this just let's do it
right. >> So look I think I think you know again thanks to um lesson and the Joel team for bringing this forward. I mean we we talked about this probably 18 plus months ago. Um I'm open to the concept.
I think you know um I I don't I don't I don't we I heard the word proposal. I haven't seen terms uh written down, so it's hard for me to kind of evaluate whether this is something we should really consider uh going forward. Um you know, if we're going to make I think
there are a lot of options. I haven't seen the integration of signage and charging. Um I think we should try to make charging more ubiquitous in the town, you know, in the town center. Uh because that's, you know, I certainly drive an electric car. I think three or three of the five of us do as well.
>> Four of us. So um certainly more opportunities to charge away from home is welcome my perspective. I think it speaks to the the direct the future direction of the city or future future looking direction that we're trying to set for the city. Um I know when we
talked there is the ability to uh disagregate the signage from the actual charging function. I think, you know, we may be trying to stick uh a 10 pound bag uh 10 pounds of stuff in a five pound bag given the amount of rideaway we have. Um and so maybe
disagregating those functions because with some of these locations just on a practical basis as a a user of the technology. Uh it's hard to make it work for every type of car, right? That potentially could use a charging station. So, um we can look at
disagregating the charging from the signage. Uh, but I think that opens up the door to a whole lot of other conversations. But I think if we are serious about moving this forward, I I certainly would want to see a a hard proposal with not only locations vetted by Blue Serbia, which I know is the
conversation that I had initially um with less and uh I believe the manager. I don't recall it's been a long time. Uh and then see what the economics look like. I know we've heard references to it, but I I certainly don't have any understanding of what those economics look like. Um, and you know, then we can
sit down and really have a a real discussion about whether this is the certainly is an interesting idea, but whether it's really the right fit for what we're trying to get done in in the uh the district. >> I'll let you close. >> So, yeah. So, bringing this item for uh
as a discussion was obviously yes to do exactly what we just did. Do um I guess the next step would be do do we give the manager uh the go ahead to start uh meeting with Jolt and and less and and start putting
together and seeing what those proposals and everything would look like. >> Yeah, I I think um it seems like they've done a good amount of work trying to figure out where this could fit. So I my my request would be for them to actually submit a proposal to us as to what the economic terms would look like. And then
I think you know my my I think question and also direction to the city attorney is I don't know if this is a a sole source or how exactly we would go about procuring this if it's a license. I mean I'm not sure what the nature of the procurement would be. I I mean I'm not sure whether they've been contracted in
other jurisdiction and we're piggybacking what exactly what's the procurement mechanism that we could do this or whether we'd have to go through some sort of a process to get to what is this result >> mayor depends on it depends on the structure um at at at heart this is a franchise we are we are providing space
in our right of way at at for a fee >> okay >> uh but we could structure it as if we are providing a service then it's it becomes a vendor vendee relationship and that's they happen to be they they're providing a city service. So that's a it's a structured question. >> Yeah. I I I'm not I just want to
understand how we get there with if this is the provider we want to work with. >> I I want to understand the actual economics. >> Sure. >> And then you know my concern is we have lots of good ideas. Often they don't work right and that's just a fact of life. We we're going to make mistakes as we do things here. But I want to also
understand how we unwind the relationship if it's just not working. So that's, you know, that's the conversation I've had with most of our most of our contracts up here is how do you unwind them if it just goes the wrong way, right? And so these are these are costly. I'm assuming they're costly
panels to deploy. Uh getting power to them, you know, is not an easy thing. You know, I just want to make sure that we understand if we wanted to unwind the relationship, user a successive commission, what our obligations and liabilities are if we do that as well. So, >> okay, >> those are kind of my initial thoughts is
what I would want more information about. Uh, colleagues, anything else we want to give away of direction? >> One more thing, like like I said, I just >> and I'll recognize you if you wanted to say something. >> I just want to make sure they do their homework and work with Blerbia and we'll we'll establish a communication line there to make sure that it's all
feasible here. But infrastructure wise is the only thing I have a big concern with. And all >> I agree because these things typically in my experience have a power center in close proximity. So, they're not and that's not And this is not the large part of the infrastructure. It's the it's the power generation source. So
yeah. So I guess ask uh Joel to provide us a presentation uh proposal and and we go from there >> and and le if I can ask you to um again my mind in this is if we can disagregate the function for example if if if we
wanted to do let's say five signs right but we didn't want them to have the power charging capability attached we wanted to deploy 10 Jolt chargers at the garage for example Right. So we add more capacity in our public garage. Is that something that
would be an opportunity you could help us shape? >> We could look we could look at something like that. >> I know that's something you wanted some optionality in disagregating the function or not. >> No, I I I I sorry. Go ahead. >> I I I I would we're being very specific to the garage. I don't think the garage is the right place for Joel just because
of what they do. But I the pre premise of what you're trying to say I agree with. I think let's overall take a big picture and see what we what we can scale it correct. garage is not the right place. >> But you're But you're saying that because you're saying they're married to the signage. >> Because of the signage. >> Okay. But I'm I'm saying is there a
world where because again the signage and the charging function live independent of each other? And my in my expectation they can't. I mean >> well we've already done a study when it comes to charging perspectives across the board for the garage. Right. So we've looked at charge point, we looked at Tesla. We have Tesla right now. >> Yeah.
>> Um so we've done we've looked at FPL. I mean, we've done a lot of studies inside the garage on infrastructure wise, how to get all that stuff there. So, we the the director of finance has done a lot of work to that already. Um, I think this would apply specifically on the surface parking lots uh and around so
it's be useful. Like, you know, one of the things that we spoke about when we first started doing the plusuria is having a little bit more of a smart edge to it and this has the opportunity to do that, right? I don't know how smart it is because I haven't seen it. Last time we spoke, I don't even think it was you guys had even launched yet, right? You only had a couple places where these
were launched, right, Les? Do you remember? >> Right. And now in the we're rolling out in the US and New Jersey and South Florida. >> Well, I guess that begs the question, where where are you guys right now? >> We're in a few places in New Jersey. I think Will can mention the specific uh jurisdictions there. And here we're in Sweetwater.
>> You're in Sweetwater already? >> We're building on Sweetwater now. >> Okay. How many how many units have you guys applying there? >> I think it's five there as well. >> Five. Are these just digital digital billboards for lack of a better way of describing them or are they actually like an ike panel that you see in coral gables where you have >> Yeah, they're not interactive.
>> They're not interactive. Okay. So, they're static. Okay. >> They're not static. They do change. >> No, maybe static in terms of you don't there's no they're not they're not touch >> correct. >> Okay. >> Maybe we can take a field trip and see the ones at Sweet Water being installed or something like that. >> Okay, that's fine. >> Okay. Did you want to add anything? I'm
sorry. We didn't give you a chance to say anything. >> That's all. And then there is an an optionality of a of a piggyback. So the uh Sweetwater used that mechanism. >> Okay. Thank you colleagues for the questions. Okay. Mr. Manager, anything else you need from us on this? Okay.
Thank you very much. Appreciate it. >> So just closing it out. So do do we want them to start putting together >> I think I think we I think we should see a formal proposal of some sort sent over and then we can figure out if it's a piggyback, it's the piggyback. I mean that's one easy way to evaluate it. So the Yeah. Yeah. Just wanted to confirm
the direction is let's see a proposal and go from there. >> Okay. >> Okay. Uh no problem. Thank you. >> Madam clerk, we've concluded the presentations. >> Then we have one more. >> We do. >> Yes. Proposed ideas for Man Lane Park.
>> Okay. Um do you guys mind if I put push that one off to after we get to some of the other business items? I know we got a bunch of people here for for business items this evening. >> You also have people here for the parks, too, though. Just >> Oh, I'm sorry. I we do. I apologize. So, we'll move right back to that. Let me let me just get the minutes out of the way uh and we'll open up uh public
remarks. And for those who want to speak on the park, what I'll do is I'll allow you to speak post the discussion so you can see the benefit of it and then have concurrent comment thereafter. Okay. Can I get a motion to approve the minutes of November 4th and November 18th, 2025? >> Just November 4th.
>> November 4th, please. Is there a motion? >> Move the motion. >> Is there a second? >> Mr. Bonich. Thank you. The motion by Commissioner Kay. Second by Commissioner Bonich. All in favor say I. >> I. >> I. >> I. >> Okay. Uh motion passes. Uh let's see
here. Uh Mr. Manager, can you give us your report, please? >> Madam Deputy, good evening. >> Good evening. On December 8th, there'll be a food distribution event taking place at South Miami Children's Clinic. That's going to be from 12:15 to 1:15.
Then on December 11th, as mentioned by our short-timer parks director, at 4:30, we have the ribbon cutting ceremony for South Miami Park restroom and concession building. Um, congratulations are once again in order for our finance team led by our CFO, Alfredo Riverall. The city's
fiscal year 26 budget has been awarded the distinguished budget presentation award. That's the highest form of recognition. >> How many years in a row is that? >> We lost count. >> Okay. >> 10 fingers. Sentos many years. Um the city created a residential and business
resource guide. We have um a marketing campaign that's coming out in January and they're both available on our website right now. We have hard copies available in the manager's office. So this is the residential guide, the business guide. They both have all the information that anybody could want or
need about our city. Our um community affairs team is working closely with our business tax officer to make sure that any businesses that are coming in or inquiring have all the information that they need as well. Um, we have lots of great holiday activations happening. The Santa's
parade kicks us off this Sunday, December 7th, on Sunset Drive from US1 to Red Road. We have pre- parade activities from 12:00 to 2:00 and the parade begins at from 2:00 to 3. The holidays continue with our first ever holiday village. We have the first weekend, December 13th and 14th, in the
same location where we have second Saturdays. We're going to have vendors, a skating rink, um, photo opportunities with Santa. This is all free for anybody who comes to visit. And then the next weekend, December 20th and 21st, we'll have the same activation, but this is going to occur on Sunset Drive between
58th Court and 58th AB. And both of those events are 4:30 to 9:30 and again free. And thank you to Avalon Bay. They sponsored Santa Claus for our first weekend. Speaking of holidays and great decorations, I want to take a moment to acknowledge our amazing team in public
works. Um they've taken a lot of time, a lot of hard work to make it look beautiful and lots of light. So I want to call the guys up for recognition. We have our assistant director John Reese, Mike Cypio, Laren Carter, Jordan Lee,
Julio Valido, and Wayne Morton. Also Sergio Moscoso and Miguel Vega and Carlos Hernandez who couldn't make it tonight, but they've all worked really hard, so we wanted to take a moment to make sure that they were recognized. >> Thank you guys. Mayor, commissioners, I I I just want to, you know, extra extra shout out
because, you know, these things sometimes start at 3:00, 4 in the morning and and and they're out there that early to to get this done, you know, safely and expediently. So, uh we thank them for for the extra effort uh in stepping up this year uh more from what we did last year, right? And we
appreciate you giving us the resources to do so. >> No, no, we've gotten all I've gotten our compliments, so thank you. Credit Thank you guys. done. Thank you. >> Great job. >> Thank you. >> He looks amazing, guys. I appreciate it. >> That's the end of the report unless there are any questions.
>> Yes, you recognize. >> Um for the resident guide, it's a big folder. Um do we have any way or is someone tracking when houses are sold and stuff so that we can get this to the residents? because if you don't know it
exists, you don't know to ask for it. >> Yeah, we're working on a mechanism internally to do that. Right now, what's going to happen in January is the marketing campaign. If anybody is incoming to the city, here's where to access it. Here's where to pick it up. But on the residential side is definitely a little more difficult than
on the business side. We left a packet um with Avalon Bay. So, when residents move in, that's one of the welcome things that they leave on their countertops. So, >> is there is there a way we can track I mean I know we're required to get I think we're still required to get a burglar alarm permit. >> Is there a way to use that database as a
as a mechanism for getting a packet? I would also just suggest throwing out ideas here. >> People still get that. >> I Yeah, you still get it. I get I get a bill every year >> registration. Yeah. >> Yeah. But the other thing is I I do know I've had been invited on a few occasions to meet with brokerages for residential
brokerages that are interested in marketing South Miami. I think it'd be great. There's a couple here in the town center to get them a cohort of packages and just as a even if they're not a resident, but just as a marketing opportunity for us to kind of sell ourselves to prospective buyers, right? And get some more information out about
all the good work that we're doing. So, I would offer that as another suggestion as well. >> Any other ideas, sir? >> No, no, >> question. >> Yeah. Yeah. Just a statement. Um >> statement. >> I know we did we speak about the director and his award again. >> Yes, we did. >> All right. Well, look, it goes it goes
to show the city what what what leadership we have here. We just talked about Director Po Pew. >> I did it on >> I know you did you did it on purpose. Thank you. >> Uh, director Rivall to to to do what you've done. I mean, look, it shows what
the city and the leadership does because being fiscally responsible is not a given. what we've done here, what you've done here for the city and the team is something special because it shows honesty, it shows integrity, it shows respect. Um, and those are the things
that you don't see a lot of places nowadays. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth. And I I what I want people in the city to know is that we do have great leaders and great teams here in the city that are honest, that are integrity. >> Have integrity
>> and just being loyal to to its citizens. So again, I just I know it's con you win it all the time, but it's a big deal. I know it's a big deal to you and it's a big deal for your team. So I just wanted to say thank you, >> commissioner. Thank you for saying that, too. >> Further comments, questions, manager.
Thank you. >> Thank you, >> Mr. City Attorney. You're recognized. >> Thank you, mayor. I have some updates to share, but there are actually four items on this agenda, so I will wait to speak when it's pertinent. >> Anyone have any questions or the seizure? >> I I have one request. uh our manager's
contract is coming up for is expiring at the end of next month. I he and I have discussed his renewal. Uh I believe you know we may have solicit comment individually from commissioners about it. If I could ask you to consolidate those comments to the contract and if we make sure we could have it on the next
agenda in January so that we timely extend. >> Sure. >> Unless there's some opposition on the part of the commission. >> Sure. Are these written comments? >> These are I believe certainly mine were. I I don't know if the others were verbal or not. Uh but the manager can help you make those contacts and certainly you can follow up individually with all the
commissioners uh and solicit any other feedback that they may have. >> Understood. >> Okay. Appreciate that. Thank you. Uh okay, with that, let's move to uh public remarks uh quickly. Uh and again, I will with respect to the Manor Lane item, I'll invite people to speak concurrent
with that item. So public remarks on tonight's list, we've got Forest Shaw. Good evening. You're recognized. Thanks. Um, I just wanted to come here and uh I wanted to bring up an issue that has
affected me recently and I've spoken to some of my neighbors and other people. It's I don't know if anything can be done about it, but uh it's important. I think it's um public urination and um I just want to know like why is it why
isn't it legal or better yet why is it illegal because I've I've done it before. I've done it my whole life and does that make me a criminal? But according to the city of South Miami it does according to the ticket I got a $500 ticket for urinating in my yard. I was in my yard and I'm not again I
understand the exposure issues like I'm not I don't think like if I always like tuck behind a tree or in a bush something like that I was but if $500 is I don't know if this is the proper form to do this but I don't know where else to to talk about it. I was um
it's not something I do all the time but I just I was in Miami Springs. There's a bar that I I go there with some friends sometimes called Unfinished Business. I took an Uber home. I didn't have my keys. I went by a tree in my yard. In my yard, my grass, my grease, my grass, my bushes, and then the cops saw me. Give
me a ticket. $500. Um, again, I don't think I think if you're exposing yourself, of course, I don't think I always like I always like, you know, look, you know, make sure no one's flanking me and then I just, you know, but I don't know. I'm sure every I don't know. I don't
remember where the guy's name is. By the way, this is a first for me. And I think it's just a really bad really bad luck on your part cuz I don't I don't think our guys are in people's backyards. >> I was in my front yard. >> Oh, your front yard. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, >> and I don't remember what the guy's name is that you guys were honoring. He got rid of the portaotties. I think that's
great. I think they're ugly and we should pee on trees. That's much better. Restore the aqua for every drop counts, you know? I mean, that's what we were taught. Um, but uh is this the time I have left? A minute. Okay. I uh I just think that,
you know, other animals do it. I if it's respectful, that's what I'm saying. I don't think we should expose ourselves. I don't think I'm not anti-woman. I just want to put that out there. I don't think women should do it because it's hard to cover up that way. So, I just think men, but um um and I just a 500
ticket is a lot. We got tariffs like the economies that's I don't have a job right now. So, I don't know if there's some way that we can like amend the laws or I don't know. I can take questions or >> any questions. >> Yes, you're recognized, sir. >> Yeah, I I I would respectfully suggest that that $500 was probably a easy way
to get out of it because there could have been some other charges uh given that you're, you know, in public and exposing yourself. So, uh I I I would highly suggest that um maybe going inside would be a better practice because I I I think the outcome could have been a lot worse. Yeah. So, I think you got off easy. I I would say um
that's >> I don't do it all the time. I just was that night. And then >> I I understand, but there could be kids walking by and so I I think I think uh >> as an adult you could have a little better judgment. I think $500 probably was a a pretty good outcome given what other charges could have been levied.
>> All right. Well, >> is that it? That's my time. >> I think thanks for listening. >> No, no problem. >> All right. Thanks. >> Take care. >> Okay. Uh Jason, I've got you in the list, but we'll hold you for over the item. Uh Mr. Kelly. Levi Kelly, you're
recognized. >> I thought we were going to be on a Billy Corbin uh Instagram reel with that. >> I thought it was >> what when he said I >> Mr. Kelly, bring us back to bring us back to some uh bring >> That's a hard act to follow.
>> Yeah, it is. >> Not at all, sir. You You're raising the ball. >> I wonder if pun intended. Did somebody follow him? No, I'm kidding. >> On on a on a happier note, uh we're having our annual tree lighting ceremony on the 12th
uh at the same location at the uh corner of 64th and 6th Avenue across from the dollar store and it starts at 6 o'clock. You all invited. U we'll have some kids caroling. We'll have some little bit of
dancing and and u we'll be even I think the chief decided to give me a hundred hot dogs. So, we'll be doing some hot dogs. I'm putting them on the spot. I >> You know what, Levi? I'll I I'll I'll happily take care of that because I
because I have to apologize. I found out about the event after I had already booked >> an anniversary trip with my wife. So, I will not be there on Friday. >> Okay. >> But I'm happy to talk to you about some food. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. But secondly, on a on a more serious note, I uh I'm I'm
a little bit hardened to see uh Quinton Weave. He's almost like a a little brother to me. I go in and and chat with him all the time. And the kid, and he's a kid to me. Uh he's he's so humble and so dedicated to do what's right for
the community. and he don't know this, but the impact that he's had on some of the young black kids in the community is is outstanding because they see something that they can
>> reach for. And I just I wanted to make sure he know that. U but I also want him to know that uh he have some good judgment in hiring a good assistant. And I John is is a great guy. But secondly,
he had some bad judgment, too, by bringing a Florida Gator jersey into the territory. >> I saw you in the back. I saw you, Commissioner. >> So, we we we'll have to talk about that. But he did he did threat me that if I didn't give him some barbecue before I
leave that uh uh he might do bodily harm. So, Chief, that's might be a way to keep him here. >> Okay. But anyway, you you guys uh >> Thank you, sir. >> See you on the 12th. >> Appreciate it. Thank you. Okay. Uh, Mr. Rodriguez, Al Rodriguez,
did you want to say something or you just want wait for the item? Okay. Uh, I also have, uh, Miss Garcia as well. You want to wait as well on the item? Okay. Uh, let's see here. I can't read names today. Uh, again, this is Manor Lane Parks with John. We'll wait with you as
well. Uh, let's see. Oh, council for the quasi judicial items and his clients. And oh, you're not. My apologies. Okay. Representative, my apologies. And then Ruth Wilson.
Ruth already left. She was here before. Okay. John, anyone else who's registered for public comment with you? Okay. U Madam Clerk, is there anyone online? >> Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand. >> Seeing no one online, we'll close public remarks.
Um, colleagues, let's move to the matter lane presentation so we can get some folks home. Oh, Quinton stepped out. >> Okay. While we're while we're waiting, uh, anyone have any questions on any of the CA items? >> No questions on the CA items. Uh, madam
clerk, if you can read CA one, two, and three, please. >> Yes. Item one, a resolution of the city commission of the city of South Florida amending the city commission meeting schedule to provide for only one commission meeting during the months of December 20 25 and January 2026.
Item two, a resolution of the mayor, city commission of the city of South, Florida, approving and authorizing the waiver of certain event related fees and cost an amount not to 6,522 pursuant to section 15B-6 of the city
code for a special event known as a 2026- TF car show presented by patrol bureaus LLC to be held February on Friday, January 16, 2026 through Sunday, January
18, 2026 at the shops at Sunset Place and adjacent streets. Item three, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving authorizing the purchase of bulk fuel including gasoline diesel and equipment from Sunshine Gasoline Distributors,
Inc. utilizing the terms, conditions, and pricing of Miami Day County contract number ENV00001 442 for the city's vehicle fleet in amount not to see $329,580
for fiscal year 2025 2026. >> Thank you, madam clerk. Uh Kay, you raised your hand. Did you have an item you wanted to discuss? >> Yeah, let's pull item two. I know we have the uh ownership the representation for. >> So, we'll pull item two. Anyone else? Uh, everyone's fine with CA1 and three. >> If so, can I get a motion on C to adopt
CA1 and CA3? >> I move the motion. >> I'll second. >> A motion by Commissioner Cay again and a second by Commissioner Bonich. Are you okay? >> I'm sorry to see that. Okay. We have a motion in a second. Madam clerk, if you can call the role on CA1 and three. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish.
>> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Items pass five. Madam clerk, we're here. Can you read board item N1, please? >> I'm sorry. >> If you can read board item N1. >> N1. Oh, >> it's not require any action. Correct.
>> No. No action. Emanuel Menendez the second has been appointed by Mayor Fernandez to the green task force as per city charter for a two-year term ending December 2nd, 2027. >> Mr. K, I'm going to hold off on uh CA2 and we'll just go to the presentation on
Mor Lane. >> Thank you, Mayor. >> Okay. Thank you, sir. >> Okay. >> Okay, Mr. Mr. Manager, I think we're ready now. >> Thank you. Uh, mayor, uh, the commission, um, during the discussion of of Manor Lane, uh, at a previous meeting had asked, uh, the administration to
come back to begin to have some ideation of how the Manor Lane, uh, property, uh, could be repurposed from a park standpoint uh, after its acquisition. Uh, so uh, we're going to present some some ideas and options. This is just a first step to get some direction from you. uh given that direction then we can
you know obtain additional stakeholder feedback. So u our parks director what's his name um is is going to >> oh the guy that's leaving us. >> Yeah he's going to >> we're going to call him Lane the rest of the day. Director Lane. >> Yeah going to present some some ideas
and options and and uh based on your feedback we'll we'll move on with some additional work. >> Director Lane you're recognized. >> Thank you manager. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. Quinton Pew, director of parks, recreation and culture. Also joining me this evening is
John Tyson, assistant director of parks and recreation. Uh staff has prepared three uh different concepts for your feedback and look forward to your direction following the presentation. A little bit about uh Manor Lane Park
and the surrounding area. Along Manor Lane is single family homes. Across from the proposed park is southwest 66 Avenue which is a professional business center. To the east side of the property is the underline in the metro rail. Uh across
US1 uh sits Fuches Park and the proposed uh property itself uh Manor Lane Park is uh roughly 0.40 acres or 17,500 square feet. There is a continuous sidewalk on the perimeter. There are few uh few
species on the property uh such as mango trees, a few pon sienna trees, uh there are some undesirable species um such as the chefera or the umbrella tree and the Hong Kong orchid. There are several
different palms from a sable and a um royal palm standpoint and there's somewhat of a landscape buffer um along the property. So concept option number one balances uh modest revenue opportunities
uh some children uh play activities and u focuses on uh social gathering spaces. Um along Southwest 66 Avenue there's a stretch of parallel parking to improve
access to the park. Um within the park are some food trucks with adjacent picnic tables and again that's to promote some revenue opportunities at the site. Uh the children's playground features a few nature uh play equipment
components and the focal point is a um iconic uh heron playground structure. There's also a proposed dog park at this site. Um, as you all know, we have an existing uh city dog park which is
currently operating under a leased um an expired lease agreement. Um, staff is in discussions with the property owner regarding the city's dog park and its renewal, but this is a viable alternative option
uh to the city actually owning its own dog park. Um again this this this concept option balances again modest revenue opportunities uh children activities and uh social gathering spaces. There is a uh sidewalk when the
food trucks um are not present obviously that that walkway can be used for pedestrians. It connects to Manor Lane as well as the underline. >> Before we move on um colleagues any any questions, comments, thoughts on option
one you want to share? Do we wait? Maybe you want to wait till we see all of them and then just talk all of them through or do you want to take >> however you want to handle it. I was thinking we could go one by one, but I'm happy to reserve comment till the end. So, let's go ahead and do that. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, members
of the commission. Appreciate the opportunity to present this to you guys. So on slide two um here we will be presenting our second option for the manor lane the proposed manor lane project. Um at the focal point of this design is a kind of an elevated
embarkment slide that is on a hill um which will kind of showcase the elevation and also the visibility throughout the entire site of this park. Um surrounding that embankment is a terrace lawn space um which is kind of
layered and allows constituents and park patrons the opportunity to sit amongst there and and view everything that's taking place in the park um but also to participate in additional leisure activities as well. Um to the right side of that we have natural play water
equipment um which will be composed of log and stone components. Um and above that there's additional um natural play equipment which will hopefully encourage exploratory play for those that are um visiting and participating in the things
that are taking place at this park. Um on the bottom half of our design parallel to Southwest 88th Street um there is an observation deck for small gatherings. Um, and this is also another opportunity to kind of heighten that elevation and allow people to get a
complete viewpoint of our park here. Um, additionally, um, I I wanted to mention surrounding that, uh, that concrete or that elevated pad, um, is a rain pond, um, which is made of rip wrap, um, which helps with drainage throughout the entire park side in case there's, you
know, water and preventing the erosion. But, uh, one of the the neat features on this design is the concrete pad, um, that loops this entire park. Um, and it connects all of our amenities and and what I think, you know, brings value to this is, um, how it complements the
underline and um, supporting biking and walking and and those types of features with with what the intended design and purpose is is for this design. Um, I did think it was worth noting that in this design, it is the goal is to preserve as much vegetation vegetation as possible.
Um, and there will be some additional Florida natives planted along the buffer zone to to add that greenery to this space. Option three introduces a splash pad component um, which is which could potentially be a very desirable um,
option. Um, one of the reasons I believe this is, um, this provides year- round water opportunities for our constituents. Um, currently at our aquatic center, uh, we are only open half the year, but having this this feature at this park, um, would provide our constituents a chance to have water
all year long. And in South Florida, I I think that's something to note. Um, and something that could be potentially important. Um, another reason, um, along the underline, there are no other proposed sites that has these types of water features. Um, so it would be
something that would be unique to South Miami and unique to the underline itself. Um, and the last thing I do want to note about this design is that, um, out of all of our options, this is the option that preserves the most green space and the most natural green space that that currently exists on this
feature. But to kind of go into detail a little bit more, um the the splash pad is the the central focal point of this and it's there's a a design up top that kind of showcases proposed of what it could potentially look like. Um but surrounding that area are um shaded
areas to to sit. There's open lawn space. Um there is a gazebo for for shaded seating. Um and there is a a coral rock wall that is an accent to the main feature itself. So, uh, digital amenities, uh, motion sensor lighting,
picnic tables and benches, uh, water fountain. There will be Florida native landscaping on this design, and, um, along the perimeter there is a fence for enhanced safety because there is a water feature here. That is all. Thank you very much.
>> Okay. Uh, comments, questions? Go ahead. As much as I love the dog park idea, I don't think it's a particularly good one because you do have all of that traffic and the train noise. And so if if you
have the dogs, you run the the risk of that train passing and the dogs freaking got an issue that you don't want. Um, I think the other two options, we know historically I am not a splash pad fan because of the expense that comes along
with that, but it it actually fits well here. So, I I like all of the options with the exception of the dog park and simply for that reason. Like I am I have dogs, but I'm not a dog park person. But if you are, I I can't imagine that that
level of noise would be conducive to having multiple dogs in that space. >> Let's go. We'll go go back and forth. So, Commissioner Kle, I'll give you next track if you like. >> Excuse me for one second, you guys. I'm I'm gonna have to go. >> You okay? >> Yeah. No, I I must have touched
something at dinner and so I'm getting it. It's It's starting to get in my my throat. >> Okay. Okay. >> Feel better. >> Want to go next? >> Um I mean I I like the more natural look and you know Can you pull it back up?
You don't mind? >> Go back one. See which one it was? >> This one. Well, look, I I I like a place that people can hang out. I love I want it to be very natural, have a lot of tree coverage and canopy. Like we've been
saying, we just want a lot of the canopy. Um I'm not necessarily, you know, we have a playground. I know it's natural. We have a playground to the north at um what's the name of that
park? No. >> Bob Welsh. >> Welsh. >> Bob Welsh. We have a playground on the other side. So, we have a lot of playgrounds in the area. Um, I don't know it what what what what do we do usually as a city, Mr. Manager,
Mr. Director, about getting feedback from the community here? Um, I know we've seen surveys. I know sometimes it goes the other way, right? Because we don't there's too much back and forth. People there's no consensus. So, it becomes a little bit more problematic. through all the lessons that you've gone
here in your 12 years, um what do you suggest getting some feedback from the community, getting consensus from the from the commission on how to move forward here because I don't I don't really necessarily know which one I mean I have a preference
versus another, but I don't live in that area. I just I would like to know what's a need for our city. uh this is not only for that particular community, it's for the city again. But like maybe some context or >> I want to piggyback on your comment if I may. I'm going to go out of turn. But um
>> I I think what what to me is missing the I think the concepts some have merit, some option one for me is not is non-starter, right? Just because I don't like the idea of the activation proposed, but I think it's just the wrong place. So I think the activation for a food truck would be better served
at FUKs, for example. We have the existing parking lot apron. We've got a building that's underutilized and potentially there's a way to kind of bring some more energy and life to that park. I I like the idea. I don't think the execution here would be appropriate personally. But going back to the commissioner's broader point, which is
we're going through this process of a master plan and I was going back through that the presentation that was handed out at the meeting I attended and seeing where we are under over resourced and underresourced based on the analysis that we're doing. And one of the one of
the takeaways as I looked this last night is, you know, by the analysis that we're doing, they're saying we're overresourced on playground apparatus, right? Um, so I I guess from my perspective, director, how does it tie back to the overall plan that we're trying to evolve and update right now
these particular concepts? what what elements of these options tie back to the needs that are being identifi identified either by the professionals or as preferences being expressed by by the um by constituents we're serving.
>> So let me start with uh Commissioner Cay if I may. So what we've done u for other park development projects such as uh PO Park Welsh Park it started in a community first. this process was a little bit different where it started
with the you know how we're going to fund the acquisition of this park and there was some discussions with the commission up here about ideas and then was thrown on parks to um come up with the idea. So um what we've done in the past is just simply um with PO with
Welsh Park we started with door hangers um with individuals who lived in that immediate community. Um we hosted meetings and things of that magnitude did surveys and got feedback from the community for those particular projects. With that information then we came up
with the design. Once we had that design then it was basically a couple of meetings where um we'll finalize that design. Um, as far as the master plan, um, some of the things that it did mention was, uh, social gathering
spaces, uh, that we sort of lacked. You know, those those gathering spaces and things of that that nature. Uh, playgrounds, uh, was something on the low end. Um, however, um, it did talk about some some water features that we
don't have. um it did talk about um you know some sensory components that were lacking throughout our park system. So what we tried to do was complement the underlying as much as possible in one of the plans which is the one you're
looking at now. Um in another plan we tried to there was a member on the commission who talked about revenue opportunities and things. So we try to uh fit that in the concept plan itself. So, um, yeah, I mean there's there's we don't
have nature playgrounds throughout our park system. This would be the one area where we could capitalize on that. Um, and that's what we tried to, you know, focus on, those sort of things. >> Thank you. >> So, to finish off my comments on that, thanks
>> director. I I do agree. I I mean, I like the natural play. Uh, it's something different out there. Um, I think the kids in the community enjoy it. I just don't know if the the local, we have a couple different ones. So, just how different it could be, not just the swing set and all that stuff. So, um, I
like the gathering portion of it where people can attend, meet, uh, enjoy the nature that we have there with all the lust trees. >> Um, so this to me would be my favorite um, of what's proposed, something in this magnitude. Um, you know, whether we
have a concrete driveway through I think we did that because of you know, maybe uh food trucks or whatever the case may be with kids biking or whatnot just to follow the under underline there. Um, we can figure that out. But to if if if it was up to me, this would be kind of the
best solution right now. But again, I would love I would love, you know, we don't do things in a vacuum here. So getting the feedback from the community, I think, is essential. Um, so I'll just leave it at that. >> Yeah, >> I would agree with uh Commissioner Cay.
I do think that this is the best concept I could I could see. Obviously, I've actually in New York City, they have one of those slides as well. It's extremely popular. I could see that happening here. Uh I think shade cover would be really important for anything that we're
doing. I know that can take away from the natural and obviously we already do have the trees, but as a consideration because then it basically doesn't get used for like six months. Um I love the idea of a water activation. A splash pad would be great, but the natural one, I I I like that option, too. I think there
should be some considerations for water fountains and water stations, just both because it's hot and because it's off the underline, and that could bring more people in and be a little bit more inviting. Um, I but I really really like this concept and I do like the play structures. I know I've got three small
children, but I do think it it's it's just a helpful thing and especially if we can show and I would love to do more natural play equipment throughout the city and this would be a great place for us to showcase that and to advertise that to um the rest of the county that
this is the type of um uh activations that we build in our in our parks. >> Serious. Can we can we go to the first slide if you don't mind please to the first part? Yes, sir. >> So,
I was leaning towards this one at first. I mean, not nec not necessarily for the food trucks. I mean, that doesn't have to be there. You could actually extend the green space where the benches are more and just make that a walkway. We don't have to have the food trucks. Um I
I am open to the idea that if we lose the other dog park, then we have absolutely no dog park in in the city. So that's why I like this dog park and relation to what Commissioner Bonich was saying that you know the the noise of
the of the metro rail. The other dog park is so is is close enough that the noise is relatively maybe a little bit higher here than it is where where the current dog park is. Um, I think a lot of people in the neighborhood have a lot of, you
know, I think would appreciate that because that lot if I, and we can always ask Jason, like there's a lot of people who walk their dog in that right now. Um, more or less. Um, so that's a this one to me, I like it for the to to try
to, you know, um, create the dog park if we lose the other one. If we don't lose the other one, then I kind of like the second the the the the second model. But eventually, I think for me, what we're going to have, what we should do here is kind of like what we did with uh the
Pleria options, you know, call uh uh you know, one of those forums that you do here, put the poster boards up and let the let the residents decide what they want in their or what they prefer in their neighborhood kind of.
>> Yeah. you know, like we did at uh at Marshall Williamson that >> you know that we let them decide whether they wanted. So I think we should do the same here. >> Yeah. I I'll be very brief. So I think I think each option is interesting. I my only concern about any of the options
was the food truck activation here because uh it's a congested area. Uh we've got issues with the parking on the property to the west and um and I think that there's a natural parking apron that exists just immediately south that we should just leverage as opposed to
adding more concrete here. Um, I mean, I like I I I I like the I like the element of a dog park because again, for the reasons that Commissioner Rodriguez mentioned, I However, I do think that in terms of the organization of any of the concepts, concept two is the best organized. And I say that in part as a
parent now with older kids, if my kids were younger, I'd prefer to have the play apparatus on the north end of that park as opposed to closer to that street corner. It's pretty, you know, in the odd event that there's an accident there where it puts them in a point of possible conflict. I do like the passive
water retention element on the south. I think that's an interesting element. But I would say even with that with that execution, we should really reduce the the footprint of the concrete throughout and maybe go through some sort of a natural kind of a surface whether it's dirt or
you know crush shell or or something else that's um you know more more impervious than than the concrete. uh the walking pad around the park. Um I I don't know that we need it here just because it's small and you're on a
linear amenity that's you're going to arrive to it or you're going to walk from the neighborhood. It's really going to be your natural walking path. But I do like the organization of the elements here in how they're laid out, how they're thought about. I would just want to soften it more in terms of um the impact of concrete. But again, I think I
agree. I think let's it's good to have these concepts and I I know that some neighbors are probably feeling this is a little bit predetermined but I think if you show up with nothing right to a community conversation it becomes very hard to to distill you know what people like and don't like. So I think giving them some options something to react to
is important. I think that's why you did this by way of preview >> to the residents that are here. And I and I would just say that I think from from my mind, I just want to make sure we end this conversation as we think about these kind of opportunities, we're tying it back to what our needs
assessment uh through this master plan is telling us so that we're whether it's a dog park that we have one of and we're at the right level of service today, but we may lose, we find an opportunity, maybe we work an option here uh to include it. But again, I want to tie back to that needs that needs assessment
so that we're mindful of, you know, trying to capitalize on the limit opportunity we're going to have to to capture some public space for those kind of uses. So, uh, with that, I think, Mr. manager. Um, do we want to narrow this down to one or two options or uh how do
we want to I mean again this is just to start a conversation I think so or or do we want to just kind of let everyone have all those options and then I'll open it up the floor so we can hear from the residents who want to speak on this issue. >> Yeah, >> I if we if we have to choose I would say we clearly like one and two the most.
So, um, my concern with option three, uh, I know I know the vice mayor was talking about it, but the the splash pad, you know, I think that that opens doors for, you know, god forbid you have any homeless in the area and all that and, you know, they start using that as
a as a shower and then, you know, >> we don't want that either. >> And I think just on that point, there's probably a better opportunity to think about the green space here that we're going to create with this campus. Should we do that to incorporate that as an adjunct to the children's activity zone, the library, and kind of make that
another element for convening uh in this space. So, I I would I like the idea, but I think maybe in terms of an opportunity, this is it would kind of intensify the use of that park because it might be too attractive. I think it might be more appropriate to think about that kind of an opportunity uh in this
kind of central civic space that we want to create. So, I from my perspective, I would say let's put all three options out. I mean, again, it's just a conversation starter and then let's open it up. I know that Mr. Lopez and a few other folks are here. If you like come forward, Jason, in whatever order you
like, you're welcome to come up and speak. >> Jason Lopez, 7730 Southwest 65th place. Um, I appreciate this as a conversation piece. Uh, but I think that these three designs are pretty far from what the neighborhood has expressed they want in
that neighbor in that area. And I realize that this is a park for all of South Miami, but let's be realistic. The local neighbors are going to be the ones using it. Um, I sent a message to the neighbors this morning. I said, "I'm going to read your
responses at the meeting tonight. Please give me a succinct answer. And I said, what should they turn the the the park at Manerane into? And in a summary, here's some different answers. Park for adolescence and adults, a natural park, passive green space, as green as
possible, green space, passive park, open space, native plants, space for the mangoes, plants, benches, maybe some signs to interpret the the mangoes. No concrete, a place to pick mangoes, and to take a moment. Uh, I think it's
pretty clear that there's really no desire for major activation of this space. We don't we don't need a splash park. We don't need recessed terrace places. We need native plants. We need open space and we need a space to just
kind of have a a transition zone to the underlying. It's a great opportunity to complement it, not to be a sore thumb to try and hey, we're doing this. Let's let's complement the space that's going to benefit us all and make this a space that you pass through to get to and from
the underline safely so that you avoid US1. You avoid 80th Street. You avoid the rush hour hell zone that goes on there twice a day. And let's keep it simple. We don't need to invest in all this infrastructure and make it more
expensive. We can plant small plants that don't need fertilizer, that don't need irrigation. We don't need We can use permeable uh surfaces and we can we can use smart choices and we can keep this an open green space like it's been
my entire life. It's been managed by private owners as a space available to the public forever. We don't need big plastic things there. We don't need concrete floors. Parking, what are we talking about here? Like this is a
simple space. We have All America Park as a great example. We have uh the one in her neighbor, I can't remember the name right now, Van Smith. We have we have precedent for parks that are not overbuilt and we have plenty of spaces for kids to play. I see moms getting
their Teslas and drive to Bob Walsh Park to play in that playground all the time. They don't need to be doing that in this space. This is a wander in, wander out. Bike in, bike out. Walk in, walk out. Thank you very much. >> Thank you, Jason. John
John Palen 7641 Southwest 65th place. First of all, Quenton, thank you for all you've done for us. Came up with I think a very workable, beautiful space that's well used by the
community. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Um, yeah, I I really think that that this space should be a passive space. It should be a a calm of, you know, native
plant space, some benches. You know, I I like the idea of a water fountain. I mean, there people that are going to be on the underline that might need a a nice place to sit down and take a break. It's not the the calmst calmst place in the world because of course we have our
our wonderful metro rail there. But um you know you know some some big boulders, a few tree trunks I think will provide great recreation for for kids if they want to climb and and and and uh
mess around there and get a little exercise and don't need real playground equipment. Even though I I know you've got some ideas about some some nature play stuff, concrete is not needed. Uh
there's a lot of u pvious surfaces that can be put in. Merry Christmas Park has a walking path that's made with the Envirro bond it's called, but it's a sandy surface, but it's it's it's a wheelchair accessible, you know. So So
we we can do that. Um and I think some interpretive signs. Why don't we, you know, some signage just to talk about our city, talk about um maybe the mangoes and and and and where they came from and and the mangro mangrove, a mango grove that was there. I mean,
there there's some things that we can do to educate people, talk about what a wonderful place this is. It's a small area and and and we can really use it that way um without um without going uh overboard. I know that this property has
cost the city and and us the citizens a a pretty penny and u and I think we can at least start simply you know with with vegetation some benches if if a gazebo is is considered something that might be
needed as a gathering spot but uh let's try to keep it simple I think uh you know as times goes on you can you know if you see a need that's not being uh met maybe you can modify things, but rather than put in a big thing that
we're kind of tied to, let's let's start small. Um um if we're kind we're talking about a future-looking direction for the city. Uh this might be something that people don't think about. Recreation is not only activity, it can be very
passive. It's just sitting down, taking a break. uh and Jason said, you know, making your way to the underline, off the underline, through kind of a calm natural area. So, I I really thank you for your time. Uh and uh I hope these
comments will be uh will be helpful to the future. Thank you. >> Thank you, John. >> Uh anyone else on this item? Okay, then we'll go ahead and we'll go ahead and close uh public comment on the item. Colleagues, I guess the direction
manager is let's take it to the street and have a couple couple community meetings and further conversation. And I think what I'm hearing is consistent with a lot of the feedback we've also gotten the survey which is we want to elevate more passive uh spaces in the city and certainly this could be an
opportunity for that as well. So, um, further ideas, we fine just trying to, uh, do some more outreach. >> No, definitely. Um, just I would say do outreach, see what it is. The one aspect that I do think is that
this, and I hope you can appreciate this, this is an entrance to our city. So, at minimum, maybe do some sort of coral rock along the edges. You know, a sign, you know, saying it's a park. not necessarily having if they want to keep
if the residents want to keep the inside passive or put, you know, a gathering structure, I'm I'm I'm fine with that. But at least something at the edges that at the edge, you know, that that, you know, signifies, you know,
you're you're coming into South Miami and, you know, and give something kind of like across the street where we have that the entrance uh on 80th Street, you know, that has the coral >> maybe something like that that we can do there. At least make it look nice, you
know, to those, you know, in front of in front of the mangoes and along the side with a with an opening to the to the underline. Just that's what I suggest that, you know, it is it is an entry point. So, we should at least try
to make it look nice a little bit for for our city. >> Okay, let's wrap that. Does that concludes? Thank you again for the presentation. Appreciate it. Thank you for coming. Um, let's go to We've got some folks on items here. I've got the
TSC ordinance. We've got CA2. We've got the two applications. So, let's And do we have anyone here from ask me, Mr. Manager? >> Okay. So, >> the Mr. Brown, >> let's do this. Let's take if we can read our uh resolution six, I believe. Is is
that the first one? Resolution seven. >> I'm sorry. Resolution seven. Madam clerk. Item seven, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Miami, Florida providing for ratification of the three-year conductive bargaining agreement from June 22nd, 2025 to June 21st, 2028
between the American Federation of State, county, and municipal employees. Ask me local 3294 for the bargaining unit defined in public employees relations commission certification 12 and the city of South Miami authorizing the city manager to
execute the agreement. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. You want to give us a quick overview and then we'll open up the public hearing? >> Yeah, mayor. Um, this is a uh negotiated agreement with um ASME um and the city and it's a three-year collective
bargaining agreement. um a successor uh agreement to to the one that's been in place. There are elements uh to to the contract that are outlined in the in the memo as to the areas that of changes um
to note that there's been some changes in in minimal changes in the way sick leave payout is is paid. Modest increase uh to safe driving award allocation that's given to some of the employees. Um there were some modifications from a retirement benefit
standpoint that uh increases the multiplier and its and its uh stair steps uh over a three-year period. Um there's also corresponding employee contributions that increase over that time to match um the the increase uh
benefit. Um there were uh some other things having to do with the deferred retirement option program, the drop program um that uh would provide for the employees to a certain time period to move the money out of the plan. Um so
the memo gets into the details from a from a wage standpoint. um really uh uh retains the same formula that the city has had which is a cost of living increase that is set uh when we evaluate the u South Florida uh CPI um and and
that's really the the same model that we've had. So certainly uh happy to answer any questions as it relates to the the pension and the retirements uh changes the there were actuarial fiscal analysis done and >> we're talking about uh this item
on first reading >> um correct the the the the other item implements the changes those are embedded in the in the in the CBA. Um so to uh for purposes of having that language in the CVA we conducted different analysis fin fiscal analysis
uh to identify exactly what would be the cost uh to the city over the long term um and and so it's it's in this contract and it's also germanine to to >> and again the actual just to confirm my understanding the analysis from our actuary was that it's either cost neutral or positive for the city
>> over the over a 10-year period it's positive to the city uh as a result of the contribution the employee contribution also increasing um and um so that that analysis provided with the with the other item. Uh certainly Mr. Brown is here, the president of the union. I know some other members are
here. Uh certainly happy to answer any other questions the commission may have. >> Colleagues, any questions? >> No. Uh Mr. Brown, would you like to say anything? >> Mr. Brown, thank you for your service. >> Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Mayor,
assistant mayor, commissioners, city manager, deputy city manager, directors, as well as the audience. I stand before you today as president of local 3294, Randy Brown. Real name Randolph, but you
guys, my kickball teammates call me Randy. meanest picture in town, by the way. >> And I must say to I must say to uh you guys that the ratification vote was a unanimous vote
um with union members as well as uh CBA members. And in the city of South Miami, as we take a giant step into the future, as a united front to get a unanimous
vote, we're united. And you know, that's not easy. And I've negotiated four contracts here in this city. Four contracts. and I've dealt with several city managers here in this
city and your negotiation team that you put before me this time hands down hands down was probably I call them the A team and um
they really really professional group of people and that comes from that comes from a mutual respect from manag punishment to union and this is how we were able to establish what we established and um
it wasn't easy. It wasn't easy and and the city manager managed to pull a diamond out of the rough by the name of Wendy. Hard hard negotiate, very smart. She
brings it to the table. Large amount of respect for her. But this contract, this contract that we managed to uh negotiate on and you got to understand what was happening within this city, you know, 12 12 years ago, 12
years ago within this city, you had city employees that went eight years without a raise in this city. Then it began the the the commissioners and you know we begin to transform and we begin to get new commission and new
mayors and then then we begin to see a transformation within the city workers because what initially was happening is we had people who worked in this city for 24 years up and just leave. And I'm telling you we lost some good people. So, we had to come up with a way
where we can lure people back into this city. And working with this city manager, he he really really really really put it on the table to try to lure people into this city. So, when we decided, you know, and I use this as an
example, in order to for me myself to retire here in this city, I have to be 67 years old. 67 years old to retire here in this city. The way they had it set up was I couldn't even go into the drop until I
was 67 years old. And I think I said this to the city manager, you know. So what do I do? 67. I go in drop for five years. I'm 72 70 77 years old. I don't think I'm going
to spend any of that drop money, you know. So So we begin to negotiate. So we managed to come up with some with some great things lowering the retirement age to 60 where members contribute and over the long run with your finance
guy or Fredo over there managed to help the city where it's going to be a profit in 10 years for the city. So it's a win-win for everybody. So now when we are luring people into this city, we say, "Hey, we have a drop program. We got retirement
at the age of 60. We got payback uh uh uh sick payback uh uh 200 hours. Now South Miami becomes what? People want to come here. People want to come here. The last contract we negotiated in this
city, ask me put our contract in front of over I want to say over five million different members throughout this country using
our contract as an example. There's nowhere in the United States where a city gave its employees almost a 18% pay increase. Nowhere.
This city did it. This city did it. And it is the relationship that management and the union has had that we're able to do that. So, I'm going to ask something of each and every one of
you here today. When you vote on this contract, anything other than a unanimous decision would not show a unified front here for the city's employees.
You say you care for us. You say you like what we do. Show us. Show us. because we're going to go to bat for you out there. We're going to go to bat for you because
we know that we're the gateway to the city. These residents, they speak to us before they speak to you. They come to us, they ask us, "How's the city treating you?"
Well, Commissioner Kie, he wanted to leave me alone, you know. So, if you love us, if you care for us, I'm looking for a unanimous vote from you guys. I want I want the city I want
the residents I want the employees to know that there's a unified front here in this city. Thank you. Thank you, city manager. You know, it's a pleasure negotiating with you guys. This this guy's smart. But all the way
to the director, I mean, you guys really really I can I was speaking to Commissioner Khie earlier outside. I have never ran into a group of smarter people in my years of negotiating. You guys brought it to the
table and I'm telling you, they represent the city well. They represent the city well. And in in having these people in those positions, our city, because I played here in this city at the age of five
years old, that area was a library. I watched this city grow. I'm happy to be a member here in this city and I want to retire in this city. And when I speak of this city, I want to speak of love and I want to speak of united. I want to speak of family.
City of pleasant living. Let's make it pleasant for everybody. Thank you. And I hope you guys vote unanimously, please. >> Thank you, Randy. >> Any questions or anything? >> I think we're good. >> Hey, thank you. >> With that, we'll we'll open up a public
hearing for members of the public since this is a public hearing item. Okay. If any member of the public would like to speak on item >> seven, uh, which is the ratification of our collective bargaining agreement with ASME, uh, local 3294. Please come
forward at this time. There's anybody online who'd like to address this commission on item seven, please do so. Now, seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we'll close the public hearing. Uh, is there a motion uh on item seven? >> I'll move the motion.
>> Motion to adopt. >> Is there a second? >> I'm scared to say no. >> I'll second it. >> My son will be mad at me if I vote against uh anything Randy says. So, right, >> we have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Commissioner Callie. Uh, madam cler, can you call the
role, please? >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes for >> Madam Clerk, if you can read uh item 15, which is the pension item. >> Item 15.
Item 15, an ordinance of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Florida amending chapter 16 pensions article 2 city pension plan by amending section 16-14 pension benefits and retirement date by amending section 16-9
contributions by amending section 16-21 purchase of credit service by amending section 16-28 deferred retirement option plan drop in order to evacuate the pension related provision of the collective the bargaining agreement between the city and the American
federation of state, county, and municipal employees ask me local 3294 for the bargaining unit defining public employees relations commission certification 12. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. And again, colleagues, the manager explained this item basically memorializes the
modifications that uh are set forth in the contract. Any any questions? Okay. Uh, seeing none. Um, colleagues, is there a motion to adopt item 15? >> You want to move again? >> You move it. I'll move it. I'll second it. >> Have a motion by Commissioner Cay and a
second by Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Madame Clerk, if you can call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 40. >> Okay, let's move to uh our first of a
few quasi judicial items. Uh if we can move to items my checklist here. Items uh >> uh nine and 10 please clerk if you can read both items and then we'll get the warning by the city attorney. >> Yes. Item nine, a resolution of the
mayor and city commission of the city of South Florida approving or denying an application for bearance pursuant to section 20-5.9 of the land development code seeking a reduction of lots size frontage on lots one and two of a proposed plant for property located at
6240 Southwestway 65th Avenue within a low density single family residential RS3 zoning district. Item 10, a resolution of the mayor, city commission of the city of South, Florida, approving or denying an application for attending to
plan pursuant to section 20-4.2 of the land development code seeking subdivided property located at 6240 Southwestway 65th Avenue within the low single family residential RS3 zoning district. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, Mr. City
Attorney, I believe item 10 is a quasi judicial item. >> Uh, or is it nine? Item nine and 10. >> Nine and 10. If you >> are both positive judicial. Yes. Thank you, mayor. Uh these two companion items are intended to enable development of three single family homes on a on a property. Specifically, the requests are
for a variance of lot area, more particularly the uh the frontage requirement and for a tentative plat for subdividing a previously unsubdivided parcel into three lots. Both items are quasi judicial requiring a public hearing. For efficiency, the same public hearing can serve for both requests. The
clerk uh has read the title of the resolution. Um the public hearing will include presentation by staff and the applicant and any public comment. Commission may ask any questions either before or after public comment is closed. Following public comment, the commission may deliberate on the two items. The quasi judicial procedures require this commission to consider the
evidence presented to it and base your decision on the applicable law and primarily on the evidence presented whether by the applicant, staff or members of the public. In considering each item, the commission should apply the criteria which for variances is in section 20-5.9 of the land development code and for the tentative plat is in section 20-4.2 of the land development
code as well as a professional analysis and the staff recommendation and any any comment you receive. The evidence that you consider must be substantial competent evidence. That's testimony or other evidence based on personal observation or relevant expert testimony that a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support a conclusion. It is
not a popularity contest. It cannot be based solely on non-expert opinions, no matter how fervent those opinions might be. Anyone who wishes to speak on an item should be given an opportunity to speak during the public comment portion. Uh if you intend to provide testimony, uh you should be sworn in before your testimony is taken. Please know if you
do speak, you may be subject to cross-examination. If you refuse there to be cross-examined or to be sworn, your testimony will be considered in that context and given its due weight. The general public will not be permitted to cross-examine witnesses, but the public may request the commission's direct questions on their behalf to either staff or the applicant. At this
time, uh, anyone who wishes to speak on this item should be sworn in. I'd ask that you please stand and raise your right hand. >> Do you swear affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Thank you. Um, Madame Clerk, can you confirm compliance with the advertising notice requirements?
>> Yes. >> Okay. And then the last order, uh, mayor, uh, commissioners, uh, has any, have any of you had any exparte communications? >> Let's go down. Let's go down the line. >> Yeah, Mr. Vice. >> No, >> I I spoke with Mr. Gary in my office probably three weeks ago I believe. >> Okay.
>> Yeah, I spoke to Mr. Gary a couple weeks ago. >> Okay. Regarding the regarding the >> regarding the application. Yes. >> Great. Okay. Thank you colleagues. Um there is a presentation of the record Mr. uh Mark is available to us. Would
anyone like a full presentation from staff or or have you reviewed the record? >> I've reviewed it. >> You review the record? >> Yes. >> All good. Any questions as well? Okay. Do we need to hear from the applicant as well? >> I'm good, mayor. >> Okay. Um I I only have one question.
Were there any registered objections by anyone any neighbors to the request? >> Not not that we know of. And I don't believe anyone uh >> Madam Clerk, have you received any correspondence from any objecting neighbors? Okay, sir. Yes. >> Um so in response to your question now,
um this is in my neighborhood. >> Yes. >> Um so I drive by this lot on a daily basis. Um currently there There is a home, but it's this this lot, this area is I mean >> not familiar with it. Yeah.
>> As as close to abandoned as you can probably have it. It's overgrown trees. >> It's there's trash in front of it. There's piles on the trash pickup constantly. So, um I think this would be a great addition to the neighborhood.
>> Great. Okay. So, uh no no objections. We're clear on the record. Uh any offense to us not hearing from you? Perfect. Uh colleagues, uh any So, Mr. D, we we've heard your thoughts. Any other thoughts you want to share, colleagues? None.
>> It is a public hearing. >> I'm going to open the public hearing now. So, >> okay. This uh both items I believe, sorry, I know that yes, both items are public hearing items. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission regarding items nine which is a variance uh and item 10
which is the approval of attentive plat uh to effectuate the subdivision, please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in the chamber, is there anyone in the uh online who'd like to address this commission on either item? Seeing no one online, we will close the
public hearing. Um colleagues, uh I'd like to entertain a motion to approve. I I I did express to Mr. Giri my preference and I'm not sure if we could make this a condition to the approval which would be for the
easternmost home to actually be oriented towards the avenue so it would follow the development pattern of the rest of the north to south avenue. So essentially that that that home would mirror the condition and then obviously you would have the lateral street. I don't know if the applicant has any
objection to that or happy to hear uh if they have a concern about that request. My name is Jire and forgot my address. 6220 Southwest 65th Avenue. Mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, thank you for your time. Thank you for meeting with me. Uh
previously to your point of directing the front towards uh 65th Avenue. The my only concern there is we have that sight set back there that I think I'll defer to, you know, Mark. Um, I did receive some commentary that it shouldn't be
that way, but that that's my only comment. >> Okay. I again, my preference if you can accommodate it without requiring any sort of other relief, I think it just be great to have the the subdivision kind of mimic the natural pattern for the rest of the avenue and obviously the rest of the homes there. I, you know,
uh, a good friend owned the lot next door, uh, Commissioner Guy, and I occasionally play poker with him. So, I'm familiar with the condition of the lot. It's been that way for a very long time. So, we're happy. I'm personally happy to see you invest and upgrade the the quality of it. So, I'll withdraw my request for the for the condition. Okay.
>> Thank you. >> Okay. Is there a motion to approve? >> I'll move it. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> A motion by Commissioner Cay, a second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Madam Clerk, if you can call the role on item nine, please. >> Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes.
>> Vice Mayor Corey. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 40. Commissioner Kai, do you want to move item 10 again? >> Move item 10. Oh, second. >> Motion again by Commissioner Kay, a second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Madam Clerk, again, if you can call the role on item 10. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay? >> Yes.
>> Commissioner Rodriguez? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> And I'll pass 4 Z. >> Commissioner K, do you want to go back to CA2? >> Yes, please. >> Okay. We Madam Clerk, if you can read CA2 for the record one more time so we know what we're talking about >> and then we will
>> Thank you. Have a wonderful holiday and Christmas and a special thank to your to your staff. They have been amazing. >> Thank you. Merry Christmas and get get to get to work, please. >> Appreciate it. >> Yes. Item two, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South
Florida approving and authorizing the waiver of certain event related fees and cost and amount not to exceed $6,522 pursuant to section 15B-6 of the city code for a special event known as the 2026 Daz Ran Tren Porch car show
presented by patrol bureles LLC to be held Friday, January 16, 2026 through Sunday, January 18, 2026 at the shops at Sunset Place and adjacent streets. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. Kaya, you asked for this item to be pulled for discussion, so we'll recognize you for
any comments. >> Thanks, Mayor. Um, I just I just want you, you know, the city to appreciate what what this event has brought to the city. Um, I went to it last year. I attended it. It was a huge success. Um,
I don't remember what the number was, but um, it was a lot. Mr. Roberts, you can tell you can tell me what the number was, but what I wanted to know was I thought it was a great event. I'm sure it was successful. What lessons learned did you learn from last year to this year? What what is it that different
you're applying? Just so you can tell us, tell the public, tell our community what what they should expect. >> Uh good evening, uh city mayor, vice mayor, commission, and city council. Uh my name is Alvaro Rodriguez. Um, I am a business owner now in the city of South
Miami. Uh, >> very nice shop, by the way. >> Thank you. And, uh, and, uh, very proud to continue to host, uh, DRT in, uh, in South Miami. Um, one of the things that that we continue
to learn and appreciate is how we need to continue to push the standards of expectation of the event that we host here. And and I say it's it's a learning appreciation uh because there's car shows all over the world.
There's car shows every weekend in in town and to not only maintain but attract the quality uh that we bring to the event and and sort of try to manage um is very
challenging especially because from day one we have always made this event uh an allincclusive event. We we've never gated it. We've never charged a sole admission. Uh yet we've catered to everyone, right? So it's it's it's a
it's very challenging. So, so, so what what I've learned is is the challenges of uh of continue to grow uh while maintaining a a a standard and raising that standard. Um
I think uh having the access uh to the facility at Sunset Place has given us a platform uh to create an event that's that that could be could host longer term events. uh instead of doing something for a Saturday or
Sunday, now we're activating during the week. Uh we're also uh bringing the event indoors which will create future challenges because obviously we're not going to have that forever. Um but I think what what it's done is is appreciate the opportunity uh to bring
something great to South Miami where where it started. um the demographic doesn't doesn't disappoint, the city doesn't disappoint. Um and uh and again, we continue to push harder. Uh I think
um the ongoing challenge for the last 12 years has been planning and prepping for the event. Uh we tried to continue to do more sooner on a yearly basis, try to forecast a little bit more what what our needs are. Um, and I think considering
what's happening with some of the other uh events happening in town, uh, obviously everyone knows what's happening with Moda in uh, in Corables with uh, with RM Southern Bees of the Buildmore and uh, the event in the Miami Design District.
U, I think we've we've we've created a a a platform and a destination to do something great. So, so that's what I've learned that we need to continue to raise the the bar and and we can't do it without your support.
>> I also understand that we have kind of made it smaller in some of the extended streets that we some of the you know was it the 50 8th court 50 we've minimized that now right trying to make it a little bit more cozy. >> Yes. I think the idea is to consolidate
our efforts in a in a tighter uh floor plan so we could you know cater and and create a better environment. Um I think uh in the past not having not having the facility of the mall gave us
the opportunity uh to pop in and pop out. Uh yet that always compromised the the setting. It compromised the the the display. Uh so one of the things that that we learned is or or we're shooting for is reducing the floor plan to
distress the amount of of of of effort we put in the city while hopefully having a a better setting for the attendees. We're also creating environments within the space of Sunset Place that we could
somehow capitalize a return. Uh because again, everything that happens in the city is open to everybody. Uh and it's it's it's not something that I have absolutely any interest in changing, you know. So, >> thank you, mayor. I appreciate it. >> Any further questions, colleagues,
comments? No. Okay. Is there a motion on item two? >> I'll move the motion. >> Is there a second? I'll second. Thank you. Uh, madame clerk, if you can call the role on item two, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 4 Z.
>> Thank you. Thank you very much. Have a good night. Thank you. Okay. If we can take item five, please. >> Thank you, Gwen. We're going to miss you. Item five, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Miami, Florida, amending the schedule of fees and fines, building division
schedule to update fees in connection with construction, including plans, review, administration, and inspection establishing the building special revenue fund to ensure compliance with section 553.804 statutes.
>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, Miss Cabrera, I know Mr. Dios is here as well. Colleagues, before we recognize the director, do we have any questions of either Miss Cabrera or Mr. Dios about item five? >> No. Okay. I know we had Yes. You want to
add something to the record? >> No, there's a revision that that we want to put on the record to to the document. Uh so I'll let the the director put that >> director. Good evening. You're recognized. >> Good evening. Uh development uh services director. So, uh, we put in the in the latest that you have that we updated
today the discount when you use a private provider and we gave a discount if they you plan review and inspections or if they only go with inspections. It's two different percentages. That was the only substantive change. >> Just for the record, what what are the revised percentages? Now,
>> it's 40% if you do both, 25% if you do inspections only. >> Okay. Thank you. Colleagues, any questions, concerns? Yes, you're recognized. mayor comment. I I this past couple weeks um a constituent called me. Uh they had a problem. She she has a
elderly husband and she they have a wheel wheelchair ramp and all she wanted to do was put an awning on top of her house so when they take him out on the wheelchair it doesn't rain on it. >> She did pulled the permit, came to the
city like she should. it goes, it should go through, you know, uh, DRB because it's an outdoor thing. And her charge for a $1,000 awning was $2,500 through our permit fees just because of the way the system is. So, I want to
applaud Director Corba on going through this process and really fixing this problem that we've had. Small things like that just people don't pay attention, but it matters, right? To her, it matters a lot. so much that she called me and I'm glad that we took care of it because it was already part of the
plan. So, I just wanted to emphasize little things like this make a big difference to our community. >> Thank you for saying that. And um just to that point medical for the public's benefit and ours, where does that discount put us in
comparison to other cities? So, um, most cities like D County, city of Miami will give about a third, 33% >> discount if you have a private provider. >> Okay. So, it puts us a little bit further. >> Yeah. Go ahead. I mean, the statute requires that you give a discount
>> and it should be um reflective of what the savings is to the building department. So, if they're doing plan review and inspections, our role really becomes more of a QAQC of the P provider process and of course the administrative. So, It's about what we I think we're being
very fair. I think in the past we gave like 35 or something for other projects. So, >> thank you Mr. Mayor. >> I certainly want to uh thank uh Mr. Dios for, you know, helping the city through this analysis uh and bringing it to this point as well.
>> Thank you, George. We appreciate you. Okay. Uh colleagues, uh anyone like to move to adopt item five? >> I'll move the motion. Mayor, >> is there a second? >> A second. >> Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Cay, second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam clerk, if you can call the role on item five, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay,
>> yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, yes. Item passes. >> Great. Let's move on if we can take up item uh 12, which I believe is a TSDD ordinance. And then my intention to take up item 14 unless anybody else has some something
else they want to hear next. >> Okay. Madam clerk, if you read item 12, please. >> Item 12. An ordinance of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida amending sections 20-8.2 20-8.3 20-8.4 and 20-8.8 of the article 8
transit supported development district of the land development code to revise regulations relating to student housing. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, Mr. City Attorney, uh, will recognize you to walk us through the modifications between first and second reading. >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh, yes, this is
second reading. Um, so what uh, Miss Simo passed, uh, to all of you is a substitute item. The item in your agendas has some changes. These were some uh, last minute changes uh, that are highlighted in yellow in your connection. There's also one
handwritten note on uh lines uh basic 133 and 137 a footnote that we are adding to to a chart there um providing for uh student housing to be permitted on the mezzanine level. So first the
changes from first reading um the the first change on line 14 has to do with uh the off-campus student apartments. Um it was it it previously said solely that was replaced by primarily. Um the idea being that they're they're
all from a fair housing perspective although we've got um uh student housing is clearly the target market uh to to narrow it to only be that um is problematic uh on on several levels especially for lenders. So we've tried
to accommodate that. Um if we fast forward to lines six at the end of the chart on line 65 which is actually on the next page from where the chart begins. Um this is just clarifying so u I
believe it was commissioner Cay who had raised the concern about uh spacing specifically uh requiring a minimum distance from the metro rail station. Uh we we played with that a little bit. This is the the the part highlighted in gray um at just just above line 66.
Instead of doing a distance limitation, uh just to to avoid any confusion, we say it's got to be on it's in total, which is going to be immediately uh abuing the Metroal Station property. Um and it's got to abut 59th Place or
Southwest 70th Street. So, it's basically across the street from the Metro Station. Um accomplishing the same thing without necessarily a distance uh dimension. Um the the highlighted uh on that page is just clarifying. Um there
was I guess I I guess there there was a um upon further review we saw that it could be interpreted a couple of different ways. So we tried to very very much clarify um that off-campus student apartments are a standalone use in TSNA.
Um and then specifically only on certain properties when they're across from university property. Uh I will keep going. So, if I can ask you just a question regarding specific example. I know at one point we did have an inquiry
regarding our >> um interest in disposing of the inspection site. >> Yes. >> I think one of the parties was a student housing developer. >> Yes. >> Again, this language would allow for us to contemplate a disposition for with that use in mind. >> It would allow for that. Yes, that's
correct. >> That's correct. >> It does not require it, but >> it's not require. No, I just again I just want an option for you. >> Oh, for the inspection site >> site. Yes, there was there was an inquiry from a uh prospective party that was looking at using our property in
conjunction with one of the other. >> You would have to have frontage on either of the streets. I just want to confirm that that was >> So that would then, right? >> Yes. That's why I just confirming so that we know that we have that option. >> Yeah. So, okay. Another change uh if we
go to lines um uh 90 91 92 it's the same change in in a in in kind of the catchall area. Um it's for specifically those properties that above 59th place or Southwest 70th Street. Uh you'll see on line 88 highlighted it's the same
change as before. We just wanted to make it consistent. Um and then down at line 106 through 109 we are providing that the operational conditions including any conditions which I'll talk about in a moment uh that have to do with parking and transit coordination and any other
matters uh have to be uh spelled out in the covenant enforceable by the city um uh within the development agreement. Okay. the if we keep going um the chart just above line 117 we've done two
things there um we have increased the minimum area per bedroom to 150 it was 100 previously there were that was based on comments that we got at first reading and we clarified that the area of the bedroom what we're calling the bedroom
uh is all of the private spa all of the any private space so if it's a onebedroom unit, it's going to be everything in, you know, from the hallway in. Um, so you you don't have to worry about a specific bedroom being larger, but if it's u multiple bedrooms
uh off of a common area, if they put the bathroom in there and the closet in there, all of that's counting. That's all the private space. Okay. Um the we eliminated the bedroom density because if you recall on first reading
there was some concern raised um about uh the regular the the residential density in TSNA uh being much lower than what is permitted in total but yet we were providing for a four 400 bedrooms per acre limitation for both. uh what we
tried to do just a little more fair and and just direct it a little bit better. Um and it is actually kind of pinching it. Uh what we've what we've basically said is we're going to keep the same density of the units per acre but consider bedrooms at a 3.5
multiplier. So um each each unit will count as 3.5 bedrooms. And that way we we do justice to the to the difference in density. Um the change in line 136.
Um this is just clarifying. Um the TSN the TSNA is supposed to be entirely residential. So not permitting residential on the first floor uh would just would render that that space uh unusable uh for for that site. um they
are permitted up to 20% uh of of that ground floor floor area to be like a coffee shop or something like that um in in those. And then the the handwritten change that you see there is just that first story mezzanine uh where it says not permitted that's uh residential uses
are are not permitted in the tota. Um in the first story mezzanine we're we're exempting off-campus student apartments from that uh restriction. The concept behind that is um the first story mezzanine can be used to block and
shield parking to buffer it. So it just makes sense to have a habitable use on on that spa in that space. I'll keep going. We left the parking requirement. This is at the bottom of the following page. Line 154 all the way at the bottom. We
left that at 0.5 spaces per bedroom. But what we provided for um what we provided for uh in the tota only. So remember these are going to be sites that are directly across the street from the metro station. We provided the possibility of reducing
that requirement by up to 50% through city commission approval uh in connection with their their regular large scale development approval. But you you guys would have to find that the development has accepted operational conditions that address car pooling, shuttle services, microobility sharing,
transit wrership, uh or other solutions to enable students to access the university without the use of a personal vehicle. You'd have to be satisfied that they've they've done that and they've provided for some operational scenario. Uh and then
>> and again it's and again just to to clarify >> the >> we have discretion to reduce up by up to 50% >> by up to 50%. >> You're not required to reduce it at all but that you have the discretion. >> Okay. >> What we'll go down to a quarter per
bedroom. Correct. Right. >> That's right. >> Yes. >> So yeah. Sorry. So in the in the last meeting it was brought up um for a four bedroomedroom unit it was one parking space >> uh under this scenario it would be two
it would be two two parking space correct >> okay so we are move okay so >> correct >> unless we approve it to go down >> huh >> unless the commission approves it to go down >> unless it on a on a on a individual basis >> right and that's only on the in the toa right across
>> to the correct five and two at two. >> Correct. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. So, that's how we kind of split split split it. >> Okay. I'm good with that. >> Okay. Um Okay. Last last couple of changes. Uh line 178 through 180 is not actually a change. It was uh Mr. Notto
had alerted me that uh a previous ordinances uh uh provision had not had not made it into this this uh so we added it back in. Okay. And then the last thing is on 192 uh the uh stacked parking spaces. Um
this is just clarifying that student housing can can use lifts. >> So those are the changes from first reading and the latest round. >> Colleagues, any questions? >> Mr. Cay to the gun. >> I think that uh you addressed all the
concerns that we have. I think this is well done. >> I have one One question. Um, this still the maximum bedroom um per unit is is what? Anything that the developer wants. >> What do you mean?
>> We do not have we do not currently have it does not currently have a limitation on the maximum number of beds. >> It could be a threebedroom, four bedroom, five bedroom. >> Remember because you're you're I think the difference is you're now being governed by the density times the multiplier. >> Correct. >> Right. So there's there's a cap and if they want to allocate it those bedrooms
to uh a fiveplex or forplex or a triplex or whatever they call the units they can allocate the bedrooms whatever factor. >> Yeah that's what that's what we had spoken about I thought. Okay. >> Yep. Okay. Further questions. This is a public hearing item. So any
member of the public who'd like to address the commission on item 12 please come forward at this time. Is there anyone in the audience? Anyone online? >> Okay. Seeing no one in the audience and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Uh colleagues, is there a
motion to adopt item 12? >> As presented. >> As presented. Yes, Mayor. I'll I'll move it. >> Second. A motion by Commissioner Kay, second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam Clerk, if you can call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cy. >> Yes.
>> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> It passes 4. >> Thank you. Congratulations to everyone. Um, okay. Moving on. If we could read item 14, please. >> Item 14, an ordinance of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving and authorizing a franchise
and comprehensive agreement with Somi Podel Center LLC pursuant to section 255.065 065 Florida statutes for up center on the rooftop of the city of South Miami municipal parking garage providing for required statuto findings
and authorizations prior to execution of the comprehensy agreement. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh Mr. City Attorney, Mr. Manager, would you want to walk us through any changes between uh the last time we considered this item? >> Yeah, Mayor, I think the substantive change and the and I'll let the city attorney just add to to what I would
say. I would note uh for you uh two things. One that um there's a provision for cancellation for convenience uh but it would be at the four-year mark um and then it would provide for a 12 months notice. So technically we would uh be in
receipt of the garage in the fifth year but at least we would have certainty of uh when that would come back to us. And then out years between 5 and 10 that there was a notice provision um as well for convenience cancellation for convenience and uh currently is uh
drafted as 180day notice uh between years five and 10. I don't know if there's any other substantive matters that that we need to put on the record. I mean I think there were some miscellaneous things. >> I think the the revenue was addressed before. So in terms of the uh base or
>> 15% of growth >> colleagues any other questions you wanted to ask about >> I have a question >> sir you recognize >> what is the uh the process to recover or look at the books what does that process look like on cost recovery or revenue sharing >> what are I think the question is what
are our audit rights to make sure that we're getting >> what is the appropriate amount of uh of revenue Where's the Can we play some Jeopardy music in the background, please? >> It's in there. >> Are they required to provide affirmative reporting within appear a certain period
after the close of the first contract year? What >> uh monthly reporting? They have a monthly reporting requirement. They have an and they have an annual reporting requirement. >> And when when are they required to screw up uh or not. Meaning they're paying us the monthly
minimum, right? >> If we find a discrepancy. >> No, no, >> I'm saying there's a discrepancy here. Are they are they paying us the delta every month? So, let's say April, >> we get a report for a April closes. Uh we get a report 30 days later than 30 days after April closes.
>> If they're if our share is greater than $18,000, they pay us at the at the end of the following month. Or are they paying us at the end of that calendar year? >> No, at the end of at the end of the following month. It's intended to be a month. >> Okay. So, it's a rolling a rolling true up. Yes. Okay. Okay. That's even better.
So, >> understood. No, no, it's fine. It's a rolling true up is I' I'd rather hold their money. The sooner we can get their money, the better. So, >> why don't you run up to the podium next time? >> Yeah. I was asking who you are. >> He's screaming from the audience. You know, you're I'm having flashbacks. >> We've had some other
>> having flashbacks to the good old days here. too too many awards to get him. >> Yes. So, no, he's >> We've had some other strange comments. >> He's waited down by all his laurels. Yeah. >> Okay. >> I I do have one concern if you recognize, sir. >> Um I I brought this up before and I and my my only concern I think the project's
great. I think everything is great. Um to be fair to our restaurants in the building and in the area, um I I I would like to see something as far as like limiting the capabilities of of liquor sales or, you know, um
small food and beverage. I I don't mind with the shakes like small things like that, but let's keep, you know, liquor to our restaurants who are, you know, let's we're working together here. So, >> there there is an alcohol service provision that allows them to serve
alcohol. Would you like to get rid of that? >> What what provision? What's what's complimentary provision? Is it beer, wine, and champagne, or is it a full bar? >> It is alcoholic beverages. We we didn't specify. We could limit it to beer and wine. So let's I think uh Mr. Garcia
>> uh yeah when there is a beer an al beer and wine provision and um you know we haven't fully settled on that. What we did, what I did mention to the manager, I think it was last week, was that we were thinking, you know, the possibility
of beer and wine, you know, somebody has a glass of champagne or a glass of wine or beer, you know, after playing. Um, but it's not something that we had, you know, firmly locked into. We are cognizant of what you mentioned. You've brought it up to me before, Commissioner Bonich brought it up as well. Um and to
that extent we've already we've met I've personally met a few times with uh Boan Villas and others to partner up and do things together and utilize their catering license to you know to do events up on the rooftop if and when we get to that. So we're cognizant of that
and trying to be good partners. >> Okay. >> So if we if we again I don't know I don't remember my alcoholic beverage licensing law very well. Does the two cop cover beer wine and champagne? I I believe that's the 2 COP for beer wine. >> Okay. So So I think I think I think the
commissioner's intent is to not go to the 4 COP category if you're fine with that. Absolutely. >> Let's keep it a two copper. It's equivalent. >> Depending on what I mean, let's be a little bit >> Yeah. >> less prescriptive just because I don't remember if it's a two C. I don't know if they qualify for two COP, but >> beer and wine.
>> Beer, wine. >> Yeah, correct. Okay. Yeah. Fair enough. >> There's also a $200,000 difference between those >> licenses. So, >> we're going to tap our brakes right there. >> All right. >> Okay. Any further questions or comments?
Thank you for the comment. >> Okay. Um, this is a public hearing item. Thank you for coming up. Any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item 14, which is again the authorization of a franchise and comprehensive agreement for the Somi
Paddle Center LLC utilize uh our garage rooftop for a paddle center. Please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in the chamber. Is there anyone online? Madam clerk? >> No. >> See no one. Uh Ronaldo. Hello. Um
we will close the public hearing. >> Okay. Colleagues, uh with the modification proposed by Commissioner Rodriguez. Is there a motion to approve? >> I'll move the motion with the >> with the modification. >> Modification. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> I'll second.
>> Have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez. uh and a second by Commore as modified with the alcohol restriction. I just want to acknowledge that uh I did receive the forward of an Instagram post extolling the virtues of this arrangement and complimenting us for
what they think is going to be a very lucrative deal. So I'm looking forward to receipts at the level that this one I forget the name of the person who uh posted a blog but bottles battle apparently >> very intensely uh on Instagram. So hopefully this all works out as we all hope. So with that, we have a motion and
a second. Madam clerk, if you can call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 40. >> You got 60 days. >> Get to work. >> Get to work. >> I just take a a moment uh to, you know,
we we approached the city with this about 14 15 months ago, and I just wanted to thank everybody, both elected and the public servants. And I know everybody's singing Quinton's praises tonight, but he actually uh you know while the manager was instrumental in this obviously Quinton held my hand
through this process and and a lot of uh uh a lot of time was was spent on that and I wanted to thank him. I know everybody's that's the that's the appropriate thing to do today is to sing his praises but I wanted to thank the manager attorney and all the electeds for uh bearing with me over this process.
>> We love holding your hand Jeff. >> Non-compete with Fort Lauderdale by the way. Thank you guys. Okay. Uh colleagues, um I don't think we have anybody else in the chamber on any item. Did I miss anybody? So, do do you want to go back to regular order or what's your
preference? >> Ronaldo, congratulations. He's still online, but >> what is he? >> He's here for the paddle facility. >> Okay. Anything we want to take out of order? I um just attorney, I have I have I have one question on tonight's agenda.
Uh I may be dense but are are items 13 and 17 identical? At least the header reads >> no. Uh one is the second reading technically of the truest bank proposal. >> Okay. >> And the other one is the regions bank proposal. >> Okay. So we have to make a decision
about which which proposal we want to move forward with. >> Correct. >> Okay. So colleagues just to dispense with that. Is there >> I believe the manager and Mr. Riverall have >> Hold on. >> Yes sir. >> Sorry. Don't we have to withdraw first? and then go with >> proposal to draw.
>> No, we can then decide if >> Yeah. So, the the manager's recommendation is that the truest item be withdrawn. >> That's the the memo that you have. Okay. As part of the the item and that you go with Regent's Bank. >> We just had to do we had to do them separate because we had originally >> Can I can I ask a question just to give
us maximum optionality? I don't think there's any >> procedural defect in having two competing ordinances adopted on first reading. We we we could do that but truest was already adopted at first. >> I understand. So I I would I would I would move to defer the truest item.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Because maybe they wake up tomorrow and they want to offer better terms between now and the time we consider uh um the region's bank proposal. So I would just say let's leave it let's leave it let's my my thought is let's just leave that one
pregnant for a while and let them think about it. Maybe they do want to give us equivalent or slightly better terms. wishful thinking probably my part, but rather than withdraw it and not have the option, I'd rather leave it and defer it. Any objection? >> Could you be an optimist? >> I know I'm an optimist. My wife doesn't
believe it when I say it, but that's okay. >> Master negotiate. >> No, master or nothing. Uh, by the way, as evidenced by M1 on the tonight's agenda. So, uh, uh, so I have a motion to defer. I believe it's, uh, item 13. >> So, I'll move to defer item 13. Is there
a second >> to January 20th? >> To January 20th. has seconded. >> Okay, madam clerk, uh without objection, show uh item 13 deferred to January 20th. Uh can you read while we're on it? Let's just read item 17. Item 17, an ordinance of the mayor and
city commission of the city of South Florida authorizing the issuance of general obligation note of the city of South Miami Florida not to exceed 6,700,000 for the purpose of financing the cost of covert improvements, bridge repairs over
the Twin Lake canal, and the acquisition of land for park development and paying cost of issuance of the note providing for a supplemental resolution setting forth the details of said note, approving the selection of regions Capital Advantage, Inc. to purchase the
note and provide a line of credit in connection there with authorizing the city manager and city officials to negotiate with the re with region's capital evangel made it seem really exciting to me at that moment. So, thank you for that. Uh, colleagues, do we need a presentation
from Mr. River on this item? It seems like we're all pretty up to date on it. Servo, you may want to call Truis and say they gave you one more shot, so I don't know. Uh, is there a motion item 17? >> Tell them to watch this. >> I'll move it. >> Is there a second? Second from a motion
by Commissioner Kay, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam Clerk, if you can call the role on item 17. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? Yes. >> Item passes 4. >> Thank you. Okay. Um let's go back to let's just take item 11 please.
An ordinance of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida selecting and awarding a franchise agreement to Maya Catering and Events Inc. for concessionary operation and management services at Palmer Park and South Park for a 5-year term pursuant to
request for proposals RFP number PR2025-14 authorizing the city manager to negotiate and enter into the franchise agreement. >> Thank you, madam clerk. Uh colleagues, any questions on item 11? >> No.
>> No. I I I do just want to because I was not here I think the last meeting it was considered uh on first reading. Um just to confirm I mean this is a minimum guarantee payment correct that we have uh do we have do we have do we have reporting requirements again affirmally
built into this into this contract? We did not I believe under the last agreement I think we just had audit rights. So if if there one one modification and I apologize for bringing it the last minute if we could incorporate it here
on second reading would be to in have at least them report revenues >> um >> for what purpose may or >> I again I just want to understand I want to window into what the revenue actually is as opposed to having to go in and look at the books getting a report from them to say hey we're our gross revenue
is $2,000. That way we may if this becomes a very lucrative becomes a very lucrative concession. I don't know if it will, but we'll have a window into it over time and we can I think I believe we have termination for convenience rights in this agreement as well. We can choose to
relet it with real information about what the gross revenues are. So again, I'm fine with I don't want to rework the agreement, but that's the one item I would like to see us >> the mayor. Yes, sir. You're recognized. >> Mr. Mr. attorney. Is that something that
we would need or maybe procurement we would need their approval >> for that as part of this? I I mean I'm just asking. >> So we have the under the agreement as drafted we have the we have access to them. We do not have there is no
periodic reporting inquiry. No, I I I understand and that so I think that if I remember the uh the agreement of the prior pro of the prior provider who responded to the solicitation, >> it was structured the exact same way. >> Okay. >> The the pro my problem with that is it requires us to do work to go get the
documents. >> And I would rather just have them say even if it's just annually, give me a gross revenue report on the concession. And I'm not trying to make it this is I don't think this is going to be the world's biggest concession, but it was just good good to get some a window into
what their gross revenues are so that we know and maybe in year two we say, "Hey, this thing actually blew up. Should we consider putting it out uh sooner or not renew?" Okay. >> Okay. Uh monthly, uh quarterly, >> um annually I think is fine. And I don't
again this is not a big revenue uh source for us but I just do want that window in affirmatively without having to chase the documents. Okay. >> Yeah. I the only thing I I'm fine with with that. just one of the things that
that I mean as business owners if they're doing good I I think it would kind of be harsh to just all of a sudden tell them like hey we're going to go and put this back out there or >> well I mean their contract on their convenience because they're making money
or because they're doing high revenue. I I I I think what it does is allows us to have a conversation about renegotiating the terms. And I and I again I think our duty is to make sure we're getting fair value out of the asset. And I it's no intended with no disrespect. I mean I I
asked this question of the manager or the city attorney. I can't remember who. I apologize if I'm mischaracterizing the conversation anyway. But um before and you know my first inclination is let's look at the prior vendor's performance but given that they weren't being
awarded the contract I mean it seemed like you know you know punitive you know disrespectful to ask them for what the performance was historically to make sure that we were marking this to market and my my marking to market is what's the gross revenue picture look like and I think the only window in without us
having to actually go in and do the work of auditing which is consuming and costly is for them to send us a revenue report. With today's revenue reporting models, it's literally just press a button, here's the gross number for this period of time. What we decide to do with it, how we decide to treat them
after the fact, you know, we can have a conversation about what's fair or not, but I I want the optionality personally. >> Yeah. >> Yes, sir. >> Oh, you're pretty well versed with the boys girls the Boys and Girls Club. >> Do you know if that is outsourced as well, or is that something internal? >> I think I I think it's I think it's run
by the charity, but I don't want to I don't want to I don't want to put my hand on the Bible and swear to that. Okay. So, uh, with the modification, I'll move the item. >> Is there a second? Second. Okay. Um, okay. Further comments, questions. Okay. Madam clerk, if you can call the role,
please. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez. >> I'm sorry. Hold on a second. >> Oh, it's a public hearing. Yes, >> it's a public hearing. I apologize. So, there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on on item 11, which is the award of a franchise agreement to Maya's catering events for concession operations at
various city parks or specifically Palmer Park and South Miami Park for a 5-year term. Please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in the audience and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Uh, Madam Clerk, if you can now call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay,
>> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. Item passes pres. >> Thank you very much. Thank you colleagues for supporting the modification. Uh let's take item 16 which is the first reading for the arts and public places ordinance.
>> Item 16 an ordinance of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Florida amending chapter 7 building section 7-7 art and public places of the code of ordinances to modify the art and public places program procedures.
>> Thank you. Um, city attorney, you want to give us a quick overview? I'm assuming we're we're just addressing the visible from the issue of uh access and visibility. >> That's how it started. That's how it started. But, you know, you we open the hood and that's problematic. No. Um, we
just wanted to clarify a few things um regarding uh the committee and how it's set up. And >> I love that. I love that this point you've been practicing how long now? I don't want to date you but after all this time you still believe that as lawyers we can clarify things
>> further. >> We can we can try we can best effort >> the constant the constant uh constant endeavor. >> So okay our there were so so we did clarify the visibility uh aspect. Okay let's let's let's start with what what what the
initial task was. Um the and the idea is that it has to be a public space. We patterned it after I believe the Coral Gables ordinance um to provide for that. So it's a publicly accessible space. Um the the other thing that we did was just
clarify in terms of both process and how the committee uh functions. Um we wanted to avoid them being because it is it is a committee comprised of not necessarily appointments uh but
persons nominated by those institutions and they could be switched right um to pass muster under the sunshine law we we we had to kind of adjust things a little bit. So we basically moved the actual authority for approval to the city
manager uh based on their recommendation. Um that's that's so that's our our our workound. Okay. >> Exactly. Exactly. So that's what you see here. Um a lot of this this uh strike through is is just aimed at getting to that and that's that's how we approached
it. >> So >> and and there's sorry one go ahead and ask and I'll continue finish this one. >> Okay. Just the last thing. um if for some reason they don't have three members because let's say the the our you this commission is allowed to appoint three members so that you have a
minimum of three at any one time. >> Okay. And do we have qualifications specified as to >> uh we do we do uh members appointed by the city commission shall possess a high degree of confidence in art history, architecture, sculpture, painting, artistic >> as evidenced by what? >> What's that? >> As evidenced by what?
>> You'll have to be the judge of that. That's that's what it'll be. I I'm I'm really uncomfortable with that language. >> Okay. >> So, I I mean on first reading I'm fine with it, but let's I mean I think one of the the neat the neatest things I've observed is actually this group these group people work together. >> Mhm.
>> And this level of sophistication I really would invite the public to watch the critique of I mean just the critique of the public space which by the way was by two very good designers at Avalon >> was pretty extraordinary. witnessed it with the manager and and commissioner Bonich joined us online for that meeting
as well just but it was the level of commentary the sophistication the way that was delivered was very difficult in that process was at a at a level that I honestly never would have imagined we'd see at the city and so I'm I'm concerned I'm going to put on my Josh Leeman hat
here that we may invite somebody who has a passing diance in art >> and unless you specify that they've actually been in the industry you know and curating art or uh producing art and demonstrated track record. Um I'm I'm a
little uncomfortable putting on there. >> So just to clarify that would only come into play the commission's role in appointing >> if we have a vacant if we don't have >> if no if if out of the five that we identify the five institutions. >> Yeah. >> If we don't have three people. >> Okay. So if you >> those are those are like exofficial
members then >> no if if those five let's say let's say the five institutions say or three of the five institutions say we don't want to participate in this anymore. >> Okay. >> Okay. Now you're down to two that you've got you guys would appoint a third. >> Okay. >> Understood. Okay. >> That's where it triggers.
>> Notwithstanding. >> Understood. I can >> we've had we've had I think we've had meetings this far where we've only had two organizations participate. >> Yeah. >> And it's it's been there has been there have been issues there. I think it's probably likely at some point this commission will have to appoint someone or a successor body. So again,
>> would just like to kind of flesh out the the credentiing further, right? >> You got it. >> Y >> Okay, colleagues, any further comments on the ordinance? >> Again, on the sunshine issue, the pro the problem was that they were potentially alternating between appointments within the institution.
They those folks would be talking serve in one meeting next. It's really the institution that is that is correct that sends a representative and they could send us a different representative and that that occurred at one of these meetings. >> Okay, understood. Thank you for that clarification. >> Okay.
Anything you want to share with us or Okay, that's fine. >> Okay, colleagues, uh any further comments? This is not a public hearing item. So, is there a motion to adopt item uh 16? >> I'll move it. Second. Madam Cler, we have a motion by Commissioner Cay, a
second by Vice Mayor Corey. If you can call the role, please on item 16. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes. >> Thank you. Okay. Uh, what do we have left? Madam Corp, you've
got the discussion items, correct? >> Anything else I may have missed? >> Yeah. Um, item four. >> Item four. Can you read item four, please? Item four, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving and authorizing
the purchase of one two um 20264 F-150 police responded vehicles from Dubal 4 LLC pursuing to Braford County Sheriff's Office contract number BCS022-27-1.0
in amount of 103,5 103,5238 to emergency equipment and installation services from Stro's RS LLC pursuant to Broward County Sheriff's Office contract number 23004
AP in amount of $31,3230 decals and installation services from DO Digital Repro Graphics Court pursuant to Studio Dorado contract number 2023-09 in the amount of $1,541.64
64 and form one Grappler Police Bumper System and Installation Service from Stock Enterprises Inc. LLC in the amount of $9,148 for a total expendure amount of 1,400
1,045 145,000 sorry $47110. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, Chief, my apologize. I left all your items to the end here. Sorry about that. Not intentional. Uh, colleagues, any questions regarding item four agenda.
Is there a motion to adopt? >> I move the item. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Motion by uh Vice Mayor Corey and a second by Commissioner Cay. Madam Clerk, if you can call the role on item four, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez?
>> Yes. >> Item passes 4 Z. >> If you can read item six, please. Madam clerk. Item six, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approvement and authorizing the lease of mobile data terminal equipment with docking stations from PCN Strategies Inc. for the police
department pursuant to Omnia Partners contract R250307 in amount of $148,42167 for 36 months with annual payments of $49,47389. Thank you, madam clerk, colleagues, any questions regarding item six? >> No.
>> Okay, seeing no questions. Um, is there This is a public hearing item. Is there any member of the public who would like to address this commission item six, which is the authorization uh of the purchase of some docking stations from PCN strategies for our police department. Uh, please come forward at
this time. Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Colleagues, is there a motion on item six? I'll move I'll move the motion. >> Okay, we have a motion to adopt by Commissioner Kai. Is there a second? >> A second. >> A second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Madam clerk, if you can call the RO,
please. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commission Vice Mayor Cory? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 4 Z. >> If you can read item eight, please. >> Item eight. A resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South
Florida authorizing the city managers to execute a three-year agreement with Benchmark Analytics LLC for the South Police Department's personal management internal affairs field training performance evaluation early intervention software at a total cost of
$39,000 with the option to renew for two additional one-year terms providing for that's >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Colleagues, any questions regarding item eight, please? >> Mayor, I just have a comment.
>> Yes, please. You're recognized. >> Uh, chief, city manager, I think, um, you guys are doing a really good job of of bringing this police station, police force to the modern day. Um, and I applaud that. I I really do.
As we move forward though, I think that we also have an opportunity to start thinking about the future. Um, AI, a lot of system and software integration. and that used to be my bread batter bread and butter back in the days of system integration. We have two different
different programs. Moving forward, as you start working with KPIs and kind of bringing this digitized and all that stuff, I want us to really start thinking about bringing a lot of this stuff collectively AI driven, a lot more technology focused
and figure out how how much better we can do. I I I don't believe we we don't have the resources for it, but figuring out how to techn using technology to better enhance the police force is always something that's great. Um I don't know what we're doing as in trade
shows, uh white papers, like we don't we don't really have I don't believe we do anyway, but I'm just putting it out there so we can start looking into the future a little bit further. Um I think it would be great for us. But this is a great I mean what we're doing now is amazing. Just just putting it out there.
further comments? >> No. Um, this is a public hearing item. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item eight, which is authorize a three three-year agreement with Benchmark Analytics for various functions in service of our police department.
Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Colleagues, is there a motion to adopt item eight? >> I move the motion. >> Is there a second? Second. A motion by Commissioner Kai, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam clerk, please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez,
>> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. Passes for Zoom. >> Thank you. Um, colleagues, we have three discussion items left. Uh, if I'm not mistaken, anyone want to take up first? Do you want to go and want to pick up on M3?
>> So, um, M3, um, last time we deferred it because, uh, Commissioner or Vice Mayor Cy wasn't here. Now, Commissioner is I think we should all be here to discuss. So, >> you want to roll it to January 20th? >> Roll it to January. >> Okay. So, please show that item deferred
to January 20th. >> Okay. Thank you. >> U I'll quickly run through M1. U notwithstanding our best efforts to get to a negotiated understanding with um Mr. Mandle Stem, the owner of the Mandles School, uh including them having
presented an application that created a bit of consternation on the part of some neighbors given a last minute request for an enrollment cap of 200 students. That application by the management school was withdrawn. And I do not believe that as of today, we've heard whether they'd be willing to grant us an
easement on any terms. >> They they are willing to to grant us an easement. they they want the ability to terminate it upon >> upon the sale of the property which will put us exactly in the same position that we are in today. So I don't know how long we've been discussing this with them. I would say it's venture I guess
easily over six months at this point in time. Um you know I we've we've started with I started this conversation with them with two intentions. One was to secure the benefit that we need but also in response to some concerns that
Mr. Mandlesson who's obviously in the final you know later years of his life had expressed to me about wanting to help with some estate planning making sure that his children can operate the school without any any possible conflict in the future. We tried to do that in the form of a development agreement to kind of at least lock in his rights the
extent the statute would allow us for the maximum term and unfortunately those conversations for many reasons and not despite the I think the best efforts of his council was a personal friend and who I'd like to thank for investing considerable time trying to get us to uh
an understanding um you know unfortunately that that that that those conversations broke down. So colleagues, I think the better course here would be for us to authorize um Mr. Russio and our council to begin uh a
quick take analysis for the need of easement um and uh begin that process rather than uh necessarily explore uh an alternate execution on the park property itself.
Um I think the preliminary analysis that we've done it would be cheaper to acquire the rights based on a preliminary estimate from our a third party appraisal uh than it would be to even execute um the improvements to the park itself and create the roaded that
would be required for fire access. And you know another option here is if we want to scuttle this project altogether that's certainly a possibility. At that point, I would probably want to figure out have council do an analysis about whether or not we've got a claim against our design team for having spent, you
know, a half mill, you know, quarter million dollars of fees of our money on a project that, you know, had a critical defect in terms of access uh in as as part of the design execution. So, I'm I'm open to any of those conversations.
Um, where would you guys like to take it? So, I'm going to go end to middle and across. So, >> uh, mayor, so um, and city attorney, do we, if we go the route of of starting
the process of imminent domain, um, are those fees covered through our current contract with the attorney's office with you guys? >> No, those would be additional fees. >> Do we have an understanding what those fees would be? >> Uh, we don't. They're they're hourly. I
can get you I can provide estimate of what the process will cost, but it all depends on on >> uh how much push back there is. Um the quick take occurs it it's >> so the way the quick take works is we have to do a five factor analysis.
>> Yeah. So so the anal Okay, that's that's what I wanted to get. So there's analysis. >> There is an analysis that has to be done. Corodino group it's in your agendas. Corino group uh provided a a proposal for that analysis. Um that would that would be the the commencement. We would have to come back
to you with the results of that analysis where you all would review that analysis, determine whether you concur or not and finding that there is a public interest in uh effectuating the eminent domain uh of this of this
interest in the property and directing us to file uh the quick take. So we would file under that scenario, we would file the quicktake. It's about a six-month process. At the end of the six months, if once the court determines yes, there was a public interest, we are
we have to put the money in the court registry immediately of whatever the appraised value of this is. So, we will have to do an appraisal as well along the way. Um that that will be filed with the court registry. Um it is technically at that point
it will happen. It's just a matter of of certain period of time to pass and uh we are we become the the owners of that interest in that property and Mr. Manston walks away with the money that is in the court registry >> process assuming they accept the valuation. They do not accept the
valuation. They challenge valuation. They and they could litigate that'd be a >> they could do that. >> Is it a bench trial or a jury trial? >> Uh I believe it's a bench trial. >> Okay. So there'd be a trial venture jury where there'd just be the the sole claim would be a determination of the value
about value >> of the of the easement. So I think at this point, you know, that's that's the process. Yep. >> Um again, it's not not ideal. Uh but that's the process. Sir, you recognize again. >> Thank you, mayor. Um how many what's the
approximate square foot of the land that we're looking to? There is a survey that's that's provided. Um it's about 220 roughly 220 feet uh lengthwise >> square feet. >> No length length.
>> Yeah. There you go. Thank you. 4384. Thank you. >> 220 by 220 by 15 roughly. Correct. >> Yes. But it's we're not take we would not be we we don't need to have fee simple title to that. We would seek an easement over that over that uh area.
>> But But the imminent domain process would give it give it a value. >> Yes. >> And we would have to pay set value. >> Correct. >> Per,000 roughly square feet. Correct. >> For 4,000 square feet, just Yeah. >> Again, it's not it's not a fee simple valuation. It's an easement interest
valuation. So >> what what does that look like? >> So do you want to when we ran the initial numbers um we estimated it was about 15th of the value of the simple interest.
put it at $60 a foot. >> I don't know. Again, this is not a that's at a residential valuation, which this is not. So, I would be >> No, I think would be lower than the res value. >> Do we do we do we feel the negotiations
are dead? That's it. We're final. >> So, nothing stops them from uh nothing stops us from continuing to negotiate under this scenario while this process is moving ahead except the willingness of the other
party >> and look we we had to to kind of give you full full window into it the I think Mr. Russia came up with a very neat solution which is you know if in the future they decided to want to redevelop the lot let's just say for what I think
is probably the only feasible uh development alternative in my estimation, which would be a single family execution, right, of whatever number of lots they could get on the parcel. I don't think there's another commercial use that the neighbors would accept without them heavily opposing and
probably litigating the uh uh any sort of a entitlement scheme to reposition the asset. Um you know, Mr. Rea had suggested that we would allow for the easement to be relocated to the southern 15 ft of the
property. So that would it would basically take the same footprint. They' probably need some sort of an access road onto the property and it would have the least impact on any future redevelopment of the site. So that was profered and unfortunately not accepted
by um Mr. Vandles. You know um sadly the property owner I think the history have a very difficult history. my personal observation, some of that baggage notwithstanding ARB's efforts to kind of put that into the past continues to hang a cloud over every discussion. Um,
I think, you know, he's just concerned. He had to litigate to get the school established 30 years ago. Um, his concern, apprehension about what's happening with the zoning was born of I think that that history. There was a recent litigation regarding the uh telecommunications facilities that he he
had an adverse judgment on, then sued us to try to uh still on life support. >> Still on life support. >> There was a they filed a notice of appeal. The court directed them to uh file their brief within 10 days. Most recently, they filed a request for an
extension of those 10 days. >> So, um that's that's that's kind of I think the backdrop. It's um again I think we have been and I I will tell you the L his council on the other side is a lifelong friend of 30 years who I used
to play basketball with every Sunday for the better part of 12 years. So deep personal relationship a deep reservoir of trust. It's unfortunately that you know I think unfortunately did not bear any fruit. I'm bitterly disappointed but it is what it is. Sir
>> so the this has been going on for over over a year now. What? Year and a half. What? >> The fire access issue has been going on for a year and a half. I think we probably in earnest started conversations with Mr. Mandles about nine months ago, I would say. >> Could be a year. I mean, I have battle
fatigue. >> Definitely before last November. So, >> yeah, >> this this fire access is all predicated on us doing the the new building, >> right? >> Correct. So, I guess question number one is how
how How how would I say this? Um are we are we actually going to do the building? Are we set on doing the building? Because if we're not going to do the building >> and my and part of these conversations I'll share with all of you. My one one scenario I threw out there was, you know, we have to spend $3 million to
build a modest 3,000 foot building. I told him I thought I told Mr. I thought if he was if he was interested be it would be worth us having a conversation about us possibly acquiring this property to make it an extension of the park. Again fantastical thinking but think
about the fact that to build a pool replacement facility a gym right it has there are a lot of elements there that would actually complement the park would not require us to build a new building and you know it's uh would be an asset we could put immediately into service. It's that not not a conversation he
wanted to entertain. >> Okay. >> Um >> because if we if we start looking at it, we have a 30,000 foot building that we're going to pay $3.5 million for with a 200 let's say >> $50 for$4,200,000 ft. Now we're talking about $4 million
plus whatever the attorney fees are for this eminent domain. And how long is that going to take? >> That's why that's why I put that's why I put on the table. We may just want to schedule the project all together. maybe just scratch it for now and >> see what happens in the future. But I I mean this this little building has
become a very expensive building. >> Yes. So I mean I I I and hence why I said if we're going to go that route though, I would love to see us have a conversation about getting our design fees back. >> Yeah. I I would I would strongly in my
opinion I I would start analyzing that that aspect as far as like do we just table that project for now and maybe and you're right that the engineer has a error and omissions uh insurance where covers things they should have
known that we needed a fire >> correct so again I I threw that off out there sincerely I didn't I mean I think that there's the costs are the costs I mean, I I think we need a new building. I think the Russian facility there is not up to par with the level of the park.
It's probably the one the park that is is in is in a condition that's uh below what I think our standard would be. So, but I do also do not want to throw continue to throw good money after bad. Um so, I I throw that out there sincerely
about whether we want to revisit that as well. But I do not want to leave if we make that decision. It would be my strong advice the board that we have a conversation with the design team about, you know, either through litigation or a negotiate resolution recouping
um some of the substantial fees we we've expended to um to design that facility. So, yes, sir. >> Yeah. Just at some point uh maybe the the cost of doing it um it would be
interesting how that compares to Uh, we've talked about it before, designing the building in the front and rebuilding a court in in its place in the back. Um, because if this proposition begins to get up there in price, I wonder what the difference would be. >> Yeah, I know. We Yeah, I I I I thank you
for mentioning that. We had Ben and I had talked at one point about whether the issue on access gets resolved that the building's built right on the parking apron and we just take two cennis courts and push them uh to the west side. Right. So essentially they would sit on the footprint of the what was the proposed building and you keep
the level of service the same but you get the building in a place where this access issue goes away. So that is another scenario and I guess I guess my question is where do we want to go with this broader conversation? I mean, >> in terms of analyzing our options, >> there's a good conversation there as far
as talking to the designers as far as saying that the design you gave us doesn't work and try to work out a deal where we can get a redesign, you know, and hopefully favorable to the city for the errors that were made. >> Just just a disclaimer, um because we we looked at it a little bit. We sort of
mapped it out. I mean, it may impact more than one court um given depending on the size of the building and its location and because they had the terrace in the back. So, it may be more than one court. So financially it may be more than this option but I just you know we've talked about it and brainstorm it so I just wanted to kind
of bring it forward. I I I believe I wasn't on the last conversation but I think I think the issue of this easement impacting value of property is is amplified. I just don't think it's going to diminish the value of it and you know I don't know >> certainly not for the certainly not for the present use. I mean I mean I think
that's it has no impact on the on the design of the parking apron it organization. I mean, it's it's, you know, and again, this is a this is an easement for an absolute worst case scenario where you've got, you know, a fire at the structure, you know, on a
building that's, you know, built in today's fire code. So, likely never going to be used, but something we're required to have nonetheless. I >> I don't know if it's worth pursuing, you know, the appraisal of that and the value of that and and how that gets incorporated into future years. If there's going to be a sale and there's a
perceived reduction in the in the value, do we make that hole? You know, I I uh and fill that gap. I I can't see it being, you know, I think it's amplified. I I just diminishing the value of that site. If it was going to get redone completely, it's a different
conversation. And and I think we talked about, well, relocated and have it closer to the fence, unless you're going to put a building there. Yeah, that's that's that's that could be an impact. But Okay, he had his hand up. Sorry. Next vice president, you want to say something? >> The sewer line that was coming into the
proposed building was coming from the west. Correct. >> It will come in uh from the west. It stopped just at the western border of the of the park. It hasn't come in through the park yet. So, yes. >> So, if we move the building all the way to the east, we would have to cut all the way across.
>> Well, uh the issue is I don't know >> there's there's on 57th. Yeah, I believe Park Villas is on sewer, so they probably could connect from >> 57 >> 57 is my is my is my understanding, but you should confirm that. Let me get Vice
Mayor Tory the conversation. I'll come back to you. Yes, sir. >> Yeah, I would be um concerned about going into some prolonged litigation with people who frankly prefer prolonged litigation for some reason. Um, and I'm okay with the idea of rethinking the
project. Of course, trying to recoup those costs, but I'm just trying to figure out how strategically best to do that because I don't know if we can completely rely on recouping the cost on the design or having that architect move the building. So, maybe it's better
before we make this decision to approach the the firm about that because I don't know if we will be able to recoup those costs or create a deal to move the building. you you can file a claim on their on their errors and omissions uh general liability, >> right?
>> And that's that's how you would recoup the insurance company. >> Look, I I I it's not it's not none of these options are good options. I would hate to I hate I hate the idea of having to talk about eminent domain. Um I hate the idea of having to talk about >> um engaging in a conversation about
malpractice with a provider who I think in other cases has done very good work for the city. Um it's unfortunate oversight I think in this case. Um but I think you know I think the manager may may be on to something in terms of next
steps which is do we want to at least authorize uh an appraisal if we want to see this project move forward of what the easement could in the worst case be valued at maybe get a range of what the exposure looks like uh and then revisit this conversation
or do we want to are we are at this point are we just so fatigued with this conversation and the option. Do we want to look at something more radical and reorganizing the tennis facility completely? I think that's an option. Or do we just want to say let's kick the
can and let's have a conversation with the designer about some combination of those two options. Either refund us some money or we can pursue you or come up with a conceptual plan for us to um to re reconstruct the tennis facility. Yes,
sir. >> Thanks. >> Um So to the city of so right now the the contract the or the term for for that is being negotiated is they're Mandlean's okay with it but they would want the
that they can pull the property if they sell it. Can we put uh language in there that if they were going to sell it that we can have a conversation with the buyers prior to sale, prior to closing and then
try to maybe I'd have to go through all this. >> So I think I think the problem with >> you guys are the attorneys. >> The problem with the problem with their offer is not it's not one of intention. I mean I don't it seems to me that the families going to operate the school for some amount of time. Correct. Right. >> Um see certainly that seems to be the
from what I've heard with their intention. The problem is can we even get can we get even get fire county approval with an easement with that kind of language in it. So I don't know that it's >> is the problem. >> Yes. There's no minimum term of years.
>> Yeah. >> If they would tell us, look, we want a minimum term of years. We of 10 years, then it gives us some certainty. But they were not willing. I mean, again, you can correct me. They were not willing to commit to that. >> They wanted to have the optionality they needed to sell that it could it would be terminated and it would not the the
property would not be burdened further. Yeah. >> All right. The my my opinion it would be let's move forward with the understanding of what the price all the numbers are allocated for imminent domain. So, we have that ready to go. Uh, let's
give this one more shot as an opportunity to do so. Um, I don't think the other two options are viable. Whether moving it to the north, to the east or bringing fire from the other sides is just too much disruption for the park and cost heavy. Um, lastly,
we'll have that as a third option is to do cost recovery on design fees. Those will be my three three-headed monster there. >> So, you so you're recommending we get an appraisal matter appraisal an understanding of cost >> no cost litigation cost >> yeah litigation cost fee cost the whole
>> you want to know would you want to have I think to the manager's point a formal appraisal of what your you think your exposure would be >> the exposure >> they they've done I mean they I thought am I am I recalling that I think the initial estim was like $16,000 >> for what
>> chip what was the number that what was the number that uh Megan had given us it was it was less than The you guys remember >> for the appraisal >> for the for the for the value of the ement. >> Yeah.
>> They don't Yeah. >> There's no impairment. Yeah. There's no impairment on their operation. Yeah. >> Straightforward. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, Commissioner K, my my recollection the conversation with Magenheim was it was well below $50,000
in terms of the value of the easement. So, that's what made that's what that's my recollection. I could be wrong, but that's what made this option seem viable to me. And I was really using it more because he had kind of walked away and we're trying to get a little bit of negotiating leverage. Um, but you know,
I think we had looked at a we had looked at u an execution option for the actual creation of a road for the west side or on the south side of the tennis courts. And it was I think just over $100,000, was it not? And in my recollection of the two options, this one was cheaper
than the design and construction of the roadway, which is why it seemed like it was viable. >> What was that number? City manager. >> Remember, what's his name? roughly between 150 to 160 $160,000 >> and that's from the west from the west
side >> from the west side and the the cost on the >> east side was relatively the same. It was marginal indifference >> and that's with all the trees everything all cost included >> pretty much. No trees would um it's on the west on the on the west side no
trees would have been affected. However, on the east side there were um about three or four u very you know mature trees will be hit. the uh the monument with the name of the culture garden would have to be moved east.
>> Yeah. >> And then the requirement uh from the fire department would be because the approach really is invisible. It just looks like grass that there would be signage at certain intervals to um readily alert, you know, the responding
units that that's where the fire access is. >> So you have signage over the over the uh Yeah. So if you come from the west, obviously we got a lot more signs that would have to be >> installed >> installed from the back all the way to the front. So you really couldn't tell. You're looking like a grassy metal, but
then you would have these signs at intervals saying access. >> So basically you're looking at was it structural soil a structural soil execution? >> It's a paper that is that is approved and uh Miami date fire uh said that they
would accept it had told us they would accept it. Um, so yeah, when you're looking at it, it just looks like a a lawn, you know, grassy lawn. >> But because of that, it's hard to even know where it is. And so that that's where they would have this requirement of signage at certain intervals. The
west is a longer run, so you would have a number of signs, you know, in that open meadow, which kind of kind of kills the beauty of that west side. >> Would they accept sculptures over sides? >> I guess you're
>> um I guess I guess the The only way I see moving forward is, you know, what Commissioner Kay said. Let's get all the numbers and at the same time, let's do what the manager said. Let's get an appraisal because that's still part of the numbers and see what the overall cost is going to be for
us and then make a decision at that point. I think, you know, if we don't know all the costs and we don't know what we're going to actually be spending, then, you know, I think we're just going to be talking here. Okay. So, um
I guess the direction is let's do the preliminary uh budgeting and then we'll come back and have a conversation about whether we want to authorize the uh the action further. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Um >> last thing, >> the negotiations been going on between
you, the mayor, Mr. O >> mostly it's been so so I I I quite honestly stepped out for a good portion. I had an initial convers Mr. Parish who was his council. Mr. Winkler at one point another lawyer was representing him
>> I kind of stepped aside uh Andy Parish who's been a developer maybe for the last 20 years but as a lawyer by training it's the licensed Florida bar kind of stepped in to help and he and I had an initial conversation. I kind of explained to him what I was trying to accomplish a way of direction so he
could communicate it to the client and then you know we had intermittent conversation but most of the conversation happened through our city attorney and his council. Um so you know I have been getting probably at this point more regular updates from Mr.
Russio and any direct conversation with uh Mr. Parish. I have not had any direct engagement with Mr. Man clear negotiations were were They were not contentious. >> Yeah. >> Mr. Parish was a pleasure to deal with. He's he's, you know, known him for a
long time as well. >> Um, >> he's both appear, he used to be a panning board member at the city of Miami. So, we both have appeared before him many times as well. >> But, but the final, you know, basically the final word, the last word that we got from them was Mr. Manos is willing to sign over the easement
for no compensation. he was going to give it for free provided that he can terminate it at any time if he sells the property. And that's I I just told him we we can't that doesn't solve the problem, you know. So So I had suggested and and Mr. Parish was going to go try to talk to Mr. Mandles, but I don't
think they I I don't think he's gotten a a a positive response yet. Uh but basically, instead of termination, can we just move it? You know, if you want to sell the property at at the option of you or the buyer,
we just move it to the south and just put it right along the the I wouldn't we wouldn't put it there now because it would mess with their parking. But if they want us to move it to the south, I think we could accommodate that without without a problem because the fire would still have their access. The the >> the reason Thank you, Tony. The reason I
was asking is that Mr. Mesam is my neighbor. >> So I I I wanted to see what you know if if I can take a shot at. >> Yeah, I I I would just and you're welcome to please um because frankly I
don't think any of us want to I certainly don't want to be in this position with him. Um as I said the idea originated from his anxiety frankly about uh concern he had about a zoning designation and I frankly just wanted to respond to it. I thought we could get to
a very obvious understanding. Uh I will share with you that the the conversation really broke down when at the 11th hour he introduced this issue about student the enrollment numbers and my reaction was you know you're opening up a can of worms with neighbors. I don't I would
advise >> which he did by the way >> which he did and we've all gotten correspondents and I dealt with a lot of phone calls about very upset neighbors thinking that we were trying to basically give him a gift and so um so >> and we still don't know what their actual student count is. >> We have no we don't have any and their
development order does not limit it. So, um, you know, what they had what he had asked for originally was a very modest expansion of 2,700 ft² onto these the basically the reposition of one building to elevate so you could create some atgrade parking and have the art room
elevated on a second story. >> And we were okay with it >> and we were fine with that. And he proposed the addition of another I think it was 2,000 square feet. >> Yeah. >> On the southern end of of existing building again kind of elevated. It was
three stories but two I would say habitable floors >> right very modest depth to create some more classroom space and allow for the parking that's in front of the historic building to remain. So from my perspective the development request was
dimminimous. Um, I thought one that was very defensible to the community, but when he put the issue of >> numbers, >> the numbers, and I think there's a concern on his part about the viability of the school long term for his children to operate it, that was what was communicated to us. Um, you know, it it
became certainly an issue of contention with a lot of the neighbors on the west side and, you know, >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. >> So, okay. Okay. I think we've given the manager direction. If we can if we can get in an appraisal of what the easement
value would be or range, uh we'll we'll see how we and a scope of a cost for the scope of work on the part of council. We can decide if you move forward or not. Okay. Okay. Uh moving on to the last discussion item which is uh the solid
waste interlocal. Um again, um I think you all are pretty up to speed on what the county has proposed by way of um a third amended interlocal for solid waste services. Uh there are five contract cities, Homestead, Miami Springs, uh
West Miami, uh North Bay Village, and us whose contracts are expired currently. We've been presented an amendment to sign that amendment. There were I think we talked about some modifications before the county did in incorporate some changes with regard to composting and some other and some other issues.
So, we are grateful for that. >> But, um structurally, the problem I see with the contract uh is that it requires a 20-year term and we get really no cost containment beyond um the short remaining life of
the county's existing landfills or any additional capacity they could create in them. And if you follow the conversation at the county commission, both the district one commissioner Oliver Gilbert uh and the districts 8 and nine commissioners that represent the southern of the county are hellbent on
opposing any landfill capacity any expansions. So uh and the board has danced around that issue for the better part of the last three years and the sighting of the incinerator still remains an open question. complicating matters further for us is that there a
lease on the Coral Gables West transfer facility which is where we are currently tipping our trash is about to expire and from my best observation both the county and coral gables are entrenched in their respective positions
u I'm not trying to decide who has the better the better argument there but they're entrenched and the best possible outcome in the short term that may come from those discussions is a a one-year extension on the county's ability to use that facility. So, um um I was privy to
a meeting that commissioner that mayor Lago organized uh with mayors from West Miami and the rest of South Dade including Pinerest, Homestead, Florida City. I think only the mayor of Florida City did not participate where they were inviting us to consider joining them in
an effort to dispose of our green waste. And as part of that plan, they had discussed the decommissioning of the West transfer facility. So certainly I think we're interested in finding ways to divert green waste from the waist stream because we save money and it's environmentally a better thing to do.
But the resolution that they profered created another issue was where do we take our trash? And so um by our staff's own analysis, taking trash to Medley or other facilities implicates costs or time likely us having to increase manpower.
uh and fleet and you know that gets expensive for a municipality our size. So um colleagues my my my my posture is you know and I've had some conversations I mean thank you to Mr. Munoz and the city manager have really leaned in and had
conversations with you know colleagues of the county at their respective levels. Uh I I I do not believe that it's in our best interest to execute the inter localiz has been modified. I don't think that we are, you know, historically these are 10-y year agreements throughout the term. We get cost containments. I understand the
world for the county has changed, but they're um you know, their exposure should not be shifted, that burden of that exposure should not be shifted to us, right? Uh and I think that's what they're doing contractually if we sign this. Uh my understanding is that Homestead is going to be executing the
interlocal. I've spoken to the mayor of West Miami. he's willing to hold out and wait to see if we if we can negotiate a resolution for the use of our site. Um I've not been able to connect with the mayor Mike Springs or the mayor of North Bay Village. I'll try to do that over the week, but I think that there is
we've certainly gotten the county's attention by having this item on the agenda and looking at optionality. my preliminary conversations with a couple different organizations that there is interest in the use of facility um for rail but more so in the short term for the marshalling as a marshalling yard
for tipping trash. Um you know I think Mr. Munoz and the manager have thought through a series of criteria which is in the memo about what maybe an RFP that we could issue could look like in terms of requirements. Certainly my concern, you
know, the concern with not signing the interlocal is that our short-term cost could escalate substantially. We go from, you know, a fee that has the punitive a 10% penalty above what the current contract rate is. So any sort of um disposition option that we would do
outside the county ser the county's facilities or county's system would have to provide for some sort of an interim bridge for us to get there, right? So that it would be cost neutral to us. That's possible. So that's an element I think that's in the criteria.
And and lastly, um I think on the positive side, you know, earlier I reported that the mayor um and Mr. Kohley have expressed now a willingness to extend our current interlocal uh on a month-to-month basis while we
explore options. They would like to now engage us in conversations. I'm open to having conversations. My precondition, which I committed to the manager, was that if we're going to do that, they need to give us a month-to-month extension so we're not forced to sign this agreement because once we signed,
the only way out of it, as I read it, is through our mutual agreement to terminate, which is not a position I want to be in. So, um, that's kind of the state of play at the moment. Um, my hope is that we we will be able to engage the county what we've always
wanted, which is a real conversation about how we can use our facility to kind of contain our costs, right? If we can monetize it, all the better, but at the very least not put us in any worse position that we are today and that there seems to be a reopening for that. But notwithstanding that I trust, I want
to verify what what uh we can do here. And I think the best way to verify it is to at least put something together. where we can test the market. The county is willing, in my opinion, welcome to respond to it. Uh we may end up doing the deal with them and pulling the RFP, but at least we'll have some information
of what the market how the marketplace values our site and you know, at least there there seems to be some interest. This would probably require us to dedicate the full public works to uh this kind of an operation. Um, and there's probably some other, you know,
that would require us to consider some other some other uh scenarios for the relocation of our public works staff and resources. But it may be it may bear out that the the deal if we follow the lead of Bentley, which basically controls its
own destiny in this area. you know, their their their situation is rather rich and I think we probably make then the financing of this an acquisition or lease of other space for our public works facility something worth exploring. So that's what I wanted to share. Uh I want to get your feedback on
how we want to maybe engage in this conversation going forward as a body. >> I'm not familiar with the process with Medley. Can you explain that? >> So Medley operates its own uh municipal facility. Um I mean I think Tony can probably best summarize the the posture.
Yeah, waste management has a facility within Medley as we understand it. Um, and they have a deal directly with Medley. >> Um, >> is it Medley land? >> Sorry. >> It's a landfill. Yeah, >> but it's Medley land. >> Medley land. >> It's Medley land. That's correct. >> Medley land.
>> It's operated by waste management. >> Um, and the Medley takes their solid waste there. Um, now that facility is is being included as part of the county uh system,
>> historically adopted. >> Uh, but they the deal that they have with Waste Management is they they put their solid waste in there for a rate between Waste Management and them >> out of the county through the county system,
>> right? That's Medley's special deal because it's their land. >> So, >> and so >> I'm sorry. Is it is it is it waste by trail by rail there? >> No. No. >> So, it's just a transfer transfer station. >> I I think Yeah, I actually think it's it's it's a >> or it's a fill.
>> It's I think it's a fill facility. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. It's it's listed in the in the agreement. >> But I think the I think the attractive part of it obviously is that it's it's you know that we what we're learning is that there's not an inconsequential spread between what the county pays its vendors to dispose of trash at those
facilities well above what we pay. And so, you know, Medley is reaping significant savings, not with and and on top of that, because it is their land, they get a host fee, basically rent, which is very substantial as well. So,
um, you know, I've had three operators approach me and say, "Look, we think we can do something here that would be economically attractive if you're willing to go down a a path." I think one of the challenges is for a lot of the operators is many of them are contract parties to agreements with the
county and so no one wants to do a direct deal with anyone which is why I think we saw someone from outside the market be interested because they didn't have that relationship potentially to damage but the feedback we've gotten is if there's a formal solicitation issued
we would we would consider responding because at that point it's available to everyone in the marketplace. Are we uh sorry >> um are you guys aware of the transfer station or the waste services that they're imp trying to implement down by
three lakes down south? >> Yeah. >> Um >> Tony, are you are you familiar with that by any chance? >> I'm sorry. >> There's a there's a transfer I'm not sure if it's a transfer station or way station, but it's right off the rail closer to Deerwood. Uh what is it? Uh Three Lakes in that area down south by
the zoo. >> Oh, yes. I'm familiar with that was um that that that facility I believe >> it's a new facility. >> It's a new facility but I don't think it was approved for it was approved from a zoning perspective. So I ran into I think it was our our same partner uh had
retained a zoning uh firm to process an application to site >> American waste you mean? >> Huh? >> American waste. >> American waste. Okay. >> Yeah. And I believe that that that uh I believe that did not uh meet with the approval of the local sees. Okay. Is that what happened? I I I didn't know
because it's on the same rail that we would >> It is. Yeah. So I think so I think so American Waste was trying to That was their first site. >> Oh, >> they were trying to create multiple sites along the same rails to cook, you know, to basically create a volume with the rail provider
that they could make the uh the deal work. So yeah. >> Um uh I I I I'm going to bring this up because Commissioner Bonich said it and I I don't know its viability. I don't know the possibilities of it. Um, but
are we able to explore if we do some sort of smaller nextG incinerator on our lot where where one of the you know explore one that doesn't have emissions, no black smoke? >> I think I think we're at least I would say for that it's probably too small. I
don't want to I'm not certainly not an expert, but we are >> I mean we would only do one maybe for us and take in a couple other cities that that want to to profit off it, but it would definitely help us. >> I don't know. Maybe is it something we can explore?
>> You would be going off the county system though. >> Yeah, we would be getting rid of our own trash >> or just as an alter. So, so there there is an exception for what's called a resource recovery facility.
uh in a municipality um and that can be done without an interlocal agreement. A resource recovery resource recovery facility is not recycling that is a that is a recovering either energy or materials from the waste. So it's it's I believe
that's what you're describing. >> Yeah, he's he's talking about a small waste energy plant. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So um there is there is an exception. we would have to demonstrate by proponents of the evidence that the operation of that facility would not significantly impair financial commitments made by the county
>> um with respect to solid waste. So that's that's we would have to show that. >> No, and that's great. Actually, one of the entities that were bidding on the incinerator is FPL. >> Yeah, but I so I mean respectfully, I think this would be at the at the size we're talking about probably not
something that they would be >> interested >> interested in. I mean, I don't I don't I don't see it as I don't see it as particularly viable from that perspective. It's just too small. Um, but I mean, the quickest the quickest path is is
making a deal with the county to be part of their system and this would be one of their system sites and modified the inter the interlocal agreement to address that. That would be but we have proposed that in the past >> and hasn't moved. So I >> that's the point. It hasn't moved. We've
done that before. >> We've we've tried to provide solutions and I don't want to be locked in as well >> without having the opportunity to do other other things, you know, like it's you're locking us in already. >> Yeah. So at at this point, yeah, I
believe that as the mayor mentioned in in the five o'clock meeting, they're if they're willing to accept the monthtomonth while we explore these options, I think that's the best that's the best scenario in the interim. And again, I think we I think, you know,
we can we can have direct negotiations with them. I don't know whether we're not require are we we're not are we required to bid this under cone of silence or can we wave the cone of silence for one party another public part another public uh agency
under our under our under our procurement code >> that would give them a benefit I don't think you can do that right >> well I think I think so what I what I'm what I'm trying to what I'm trying to look the county is going to want the countyy's going to want us to you know at this point the message I think they
they tone the posture changed Right. The fact that we're willing to go this route, I think has sent them a message that, you know, we're we are we want to be I've made it very clear our goal is not to break a system, right? We want to we want to be part of the solution. Our goal has been from the beginning cost
containment and and making sure that we are not just blindly signing on to something that's going to put the city in five years in substantial financial jeopardy. Right? Because for us, just the additional transfer fees was a significant revenue hit. So, um I think they understand our motivation. It's not
intended to be adversarial, but at this point, I think also we'd be we'd be foolish to believe that if we could repeat the exercise of the last two years, we're going to get a different result, right? And so, I think uh if we can begin to structure an RFP based on the criteria that we have, if you guys
have comments on that, I think we should vet it. But I'd like to direct the manager to begin to to put together an instrument, right? that's released at the beginning of the year, right? That allows us to get some feedback from private operators about what kind of
facility could be viable here, right? That would allow us to create some cost attainment on the dis disposition side. And then, you know, if we can carve out the county, they're certainly welcome to submit. uh or we and we can have a parallel path
of negotiation with them about them doing maybe a joint venturing with us on actually developing a facility that they would that we would own the land but they would own the facility. So basically the Coral Gables model, I'll I'll use that as the as the as the
reference point, which isn't the case there, right? The county owns the improvements, Coral Gables owns the land. It's subject to a long-term lease. You know, um we certainly there are a lot of lessons that could be learned how that the economics of that deal were structured because it's become very disadvantageous to Coral Gables, I
think, in their current it current posture, which is what this Yeah. Go ahead. The consequences of doing the RFP, and I'm going to ask the city manager to chime in on this. Um, the consequences of the RFP would be that we signal that we're were potentially not
going to be in the system. Um, the consequences to that would be that our fees would go up significantly uh at almost a 2x rate. Am I accurate roughly on those numbers? >> No, not not so that >> not if it's monthto month, but they
you understand the consequence. What is the the what is our our non uh interlocal agreement number on the tipping fees? >> 115 >> 115 and we're currently at 74 >> compared to 76. >> 76. Yeah. >> So we see the delta. >> Mhm.
>> That's a consequence. Um it's tough. >> Look, I think this you know and I don't to me it's frankly I don't want to use this word. To me, it's surprising
that we would have added a contract over to the county for two years, right? And I will tell you that Mr. Munoz as of a year ago had been had been signaling that, hey, our interlocal is expiring. Are you guys working on a revised draft and that document got
dropped 65 days ago? It appeared on the first committee. We weren't notified of it. We f I found out frankly from a lobbyist uh that works uh the county very aggressively, hey, aren't you doing some trash stuff? Sent me the document and that's the first indication we got
that they were putting forward this alternate interlocal. I mean to me that's not the way if I were in their shoes I would do business with anybody at the local level. Um, and I'm not frankly inclined to accept being treated as an afterthought because the
consequences to us of the current impass or the current inability to fashion a solution to the trash disposition process is not one of our making and I don't think that we should be expected to bear the cost. You know, and I and I
the standard is a tough standard legally to overcome by the way they've drafted the thing. But I will tell you that I think there's an argument to make that cities like ours subsidize the rate base of UMSA taxpayers, right? Notwithstanding that they pay a separate
trash, right? Because their their miller rate is so prop preposterously low, right? that uh there's there's probably a little bit of gamesmanship happening. And the county has for a long time depressed
the cost of um to keep that fee, the trash fee low, not raised it. They have they have suppressed the cost of that fee. They haven't raised it consistently to meet their operational cost. That money is coming out of somewhere and it's probably coming out of the the countywide general fund. It's probably
coming out of you know at at our expense, right? So I, you know, if they want to have that argument, you know, I think guys, we have to, unfortunately, there's not a lot of people that are pushing this issue. I don't understand why, frankly, it's an existential issue
for us as cities. >> I don't think none of us. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, but is there risk? Yeah. And I think the only thing we can do is if we put out the solicitation, whoever we decide to belly up with on this and do a deal with has got to figure out a way for us to kind
of come out on the back end in a costume position because I do certainly don't want to saddle our our taxpayers with a $40, you know, ton differential. >> May I? >> Yeah, of course. I would be inclined to move forward with the
RFP, >> but after a deferment of this particular conversation as we now know that there's a lot better dialogue between our city and the county on this situation. So, I I think I would want to wait until the next meeting and defer it until next
>> Well, I I'm not expecting us to take action on the RFP today. I mean, we I think what I what I would have wanted to do from this conversation No, no. What I wanted to do today, if I if I can clarify what my intention is, was to direct the manager to begin to prepare one. >> Okay. >> And then maybe on on 120 if it's ready
or you know, if it's ready if we need it needs to be ready sooner, we can call a special meeting. But at some point in the future, we can authorize the issuance after we've seen it, had a chance to kick the tires on. >> Mayor, complicated issue. I think I think it's with the holidays coming up. I think
that that's giving them a very short No, I I think we've got I mean I think if you look at the memo, you've got the elements of what we would want to see a respondent address. So I think it's been you know um Alex and Chip to their credit have really you know leveled up
here and and I think put together a solid base. You know we've got to get in the right posture. Um I don't think we're I don't think we should issue it after the holidays. We're not going to get Yeah. So, but you know, if we find ourselves in a position where conversations are broken down, we may
need to act quickly. And so, I would just rather be in a position where we're working on it and it's close to ready at least, you know, I think by 120 we hopefully would be in a position where we could approve it its issuance and get it to the market. >> Sir, yeah. >> Yeah. Just what I think I heard, but I
just want to be clear that that we would be working in parallel tracks >> that the conversations with the county would provide the ability based on your conversation tonight uh to stay the signing of as long as we're engaging in earnest conversations with them. >> Um but parallel track to to do the work
and the research and the framework for an RFP. >> Correct. >> Right. And at some point >> one of those will will continue as a path. Uh and I don't think we'll be in in harm's way in the in the short term as long as we are negotiating in earnest with the county for a possible
partnership. >> Agree. >> I think we all agree. So I think I think we're like mind. I I would just I would just want to add because you know when it goes off the radar screen it people forget about it. I would say we should have a goal of having the RFP agenda for 120 we can choose to defer to that time
but at least we have a goal to get it to that point and it also continues to signal that we are committed to exploring that option. Yeah, and and I would tell you the credit is is is more well placed on on the director and Alex's work along with
city attorney and their team. Obviously, they represent other cities are in a similar situation. So, um thank thanks for the comments, but certainly the the the yman's job has been done by Alex on our case. So, appreciate >> Thank you to to everyone. >> Yeah. And and I I I want to thank you
guys for allowing me to add it to our priorities being a very prime. I think what you said was correct that I don't understand why a lot of municipalities and the county well I'm sure the county is doing it but why there's not a collective roar for a change here. Um so I we
should as a city really start making some noise here and try try to figure out best solutions for for us. I mean it's for our kids and our future. It's a no-brainer on my side. I just I want to make sure the county understands it. >> Anything else we want to add before we close? So, I think Mr. Manager, you're
clear and appreciate again everyone's work on this item. Um, colleagues, all we have left are commission reports. Uh, any discussion, remarks, anything anybody wants to add for the record? >> Um, I have a quick thing. Please go ahead. I'm just bringing this up now. Um, for John Q and to the manager, I was
at South Miami Park yesterday. Um, and for some reason, maybe you guys already are aware of this, all the grass that's in between the walkway and the fields on the south side is mud. It's all dead. There's I took a picture of it. I'll
show you after. Um, I was just afraid you guys might leave as soon as he knocks on that gavvel. So, I just wanted to make it just take a look at it, see it because all the ground. I don't know why. Uh, apparently not on the north side, but on the south side, it's all
dead. It's all mud. There does look like there's some tire tracks through that mud. So, I don't know if someone's driving their car or driving a truck or or something through there, but it's awful to walk through it. >> Is is it maybe part of the construction
that they're finalizing? The last thing they'll do is put the sod away by the container. I thought that too, but it's by the container. No, >> but that's always >> But it's Look, Sure. We'll definitely look into it. It should be unrelated to the restroom construction project. They're not in
that area. >> And it's the whole way from the walk from the >> If we would have done the artificial grass, the whole field. >> Oh, no. 100%. I said this is exactly my daughter. I know. >> He's he's giving you he's giving you he's giving you grief.
>> I know. >> Okay. Anything else, Mr. K? Well, thank you all. Let's uh we stand uh we stand a journal.