##VIDEO ID:emRaVmZU54U## is your good evening everyone uh if I could ask you to please take your seats uh and before we get started here in a minute if you could please take a moment to silence your cell phones we'd greatly appreciate it welcome [Music] oh good evening everyone uh welcome to uh the city of South Miami uh and our commission Chambers today is Tuesday January 21st 202 2 the time is just after 7:00 p.m. we' now like to call to order um this meeting of the commission Madame clerk if you could please call the role yes mayor Fernandez present Vice May Cory present commission Cay here commission here commissioner Rodriguez you have a quum thank you madam clerk if we could please stand for a brief prayer and then I would ask um commissioner Bon to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance as we begin tonight proceedings I'd just like to um ask everyone uh first extend my condolences to the family of uh Miss Gail Alexander a beloved member of our community who we will hopefully honor later this evening and I'd like to offer the following prayer up for her dear God we lift up Gail Alexander in our prayer and ask for your loving care and protection for her soul please bring her into your loving arms and Grant her peace and rest may she feel your presence and know the fullness of your love and grace in your precious name we pray amen amen thank you commissioner bu please I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you please be seated Madam clerk are there presentations on tonight's agenda yes we have four great if you could read the first one please the first one Proclamation William C Winkler holiday Sales LLC thank you very much Madam clerk um Mr MC are you here in the audience thank you uh if you could be recognized to give us a little bit of background on tonight's recognition and the good works of uh Mr Winkler and again your name and address of the record please sir 6210 Southwest 63rd ter I should have known I've done so long um it's all right you're retired we'll forgive you thank you guys uh Chris good guy you know I met him through um uh Dick Ward and this was like four maybe five years ago believe I yeah five years ago and by his kindness and what he was doing we started buying the big tree from him you know and as we got it set up this guy said Hey listen listen do you want some other trees just to give away yes so we tried them so he put us to the test uh the first year I think it was about 100 trees 150 and then the next year it was about 200 and then the next year was 300 he was just surprise we all was and he came out of his pocket because we had some tragedy in our neighborhood uh to help families uh during the during the time where uh people were really uh hungry and going through some changes he donated some funds to our Black Culture uh Foundation to help with food and and clothing uh so we became pretty good uh friends and the last couple of years he he gave us uh in two years a total of 650 trees wow 650 trees uh for the public everybody in South Miami who needed a tree had a tree and even folks out of this area that needed some so um without further Ado Mr Winkler from holiday sales where are you please stand everybody give this man a hand Don sir please come forward Mr Winkler please come forward to be recognized thank you again Mr MCC thank you for connecting us with Mr Winkler and uh again as you said many person's been helped by your generosity and I was surprised to learn that this was not the first year it's been a multi-year engagement so we thought it would be appropriate to have you down here and just uh present you with a a proclamation just to express our thanks uh as a body here for all the good work you've done for our constituents um I'm going to read this really quickly and then I'd love to recognize you for some comments sir okay so the proclamation is issued uh reads as follows whereas holiday sales LC was established in 2015 and is a Winker family-owned business of over two generations prior to holiday sales all see the familyowned north cut Christmas trees and whereas donating Christmas trees has been a generational Winkler family tradition for years prior to the establishment of holiday Sales LLC and whereas throughout the year South Mi residents have benefited from these Christmas tree donations and whereas during the 2024 Christmas season holiday sales donated over 350 fresh Christmas trees if you buy your own Christmas tree I think you understand the value of that donation so thank you again incredibly generous and whereas Christmas tree Christmas is a special time of the year and holiday salesy along with the Winker family have helped many families in need maintain the spirit of the holiday season alive throughout the years and whereas the city of South Miami is extremely appreciative and I emphasize extremely appreciative sir and grateful for the continued contributions made to our community during the holiday season now therefore I Javier Fernandez mayor along with my colleagues on the city commission vice mayor Brian Cory commissioner kayek bonich and Rodriguez do hereby Proclaim January 21st 2025 holiday Sales LLC day if you could please come forward and receive this PL well um I'm going to intervene you stay right here for a minute um Mr um Mr Levi Kelly on behalf of the uh black cultural Affairs committee uh we have a little something to say my apologies Mr Kelly of course you told me before the meeting I already forgot so there you go when you I didn't take my I didn't take my Geno Boba this morning so Mr Kelly you recognized thank you I just wanted to extend also our appreciation from the black cultural Affairs foundation for your continued support and um you actually become a true partner and a friend to our community and uh we just want to give you a certificate of gratitude and appreciation so thank you [Applause] than thank you Mr K and thanks to the black cultural Affairs for the recognition as well yeah one more I have one other presentation I just want to U give out to Mr John ree okay we will uh we'll take that up when we bring up uh next item for the employee the year okay Mr Winkler you're recognized did you want to say something else Mr M i wanteded some yeah let's take a picture Mr Kelly come on up here we'll stand at the de behind you thank you wait wait [Laughter] okay [Applause] okay Mr wrinkler the floor is yours please now before you go I I I again just want to if you had a few words for the community or again I just want to say thank you uh I'd be intrigued to know why you decided to partner with our city in the black cultural Affairs how did you get connected with them and what made you want to be you know what help me was uh Mr Ward uh and then I met James and he was really nice guy uh we used to live here in South Miami years ago we had a produce market on 67th in Sunset before they built the lar building got it um so we uh I called him and told him I had extra trees and we went from there fantastic well good to know the connection here and uh thank you for staying in touch and and thank you for what's a very impressive donation and uh to Mr Ward if you're listening or watching somewhere thank you for making the original connection we're very grateful thank you have a good evening you [Applause] to Madam clerk do we have any other presentations yes um employees of the quarter for Q4 of 2024 Miguel Vega and Julio valo fantastic Madam Deputy manager good evening evening mayor I'd like to invite Miguel Vega and Julio valo up Miguel if I if I may ask M are you making the presentations I am beginning the presentation and I'm inviting Mr John ree to come and see okay I I was hoping there would be a Mr Reese assist here so John you ready he's not off the hook he's not he's no yeah yeah come on come on why why don't you just come on up so you're ready to kind of Step step up there you know let's give him a round of applause since Mr Reese you work with these gentlemen very closely every day I think you should be the one to testify to all the great work they've been we let the deputy manager kick off the the proceedings I'll give you background on why they were nominated yes um so Miguel Julio both in the city's public works department obviously were nominated by the police department which is a testament of how their workers appreciated Citywide in September the police department began preparations for the pp's annual pig roast and this year the team Hatfield and the heat set out to win the presentation Award with only a pencil sketch and creative freedom they created a beautiful display and although it didn't win it was the consensus of many attendees that we were robbed the passion that they put into creating a piece for another department really demonstrates their commitment to the city which is why that they were voted by their peers as employee of the quarter for Q4 Mr ree all right by the way this is the your favorite part of this job we all know that I thought I was finished with this no I'd like to say congratulations to Miguel and Julio uh two hard workers uh the attitude if you know them they're wonderful you know uh put in 110% always you know [Applause] congratulations mayor if I if I may real quick as well you are cly uh you know I'm out there a lot and and I see our Public Works team working and these two gentlemen certainly it could be a evening could be a weekend and and and any assignment that you can think of so I appreciate the uh get it get a dumb mentality and and their disposition to to to help out the broader cause year so thank you and congratulations thank you much mayor yes sir you're recognized if you got I mean I wish someone would have brought out a picture wait if anybody would show a picture of what they created over at the pig Road do we do we have a picture of it I don't know Sam anyone that that thing was amazing it what you guys created and how hard they worked last minute just to provide support to our police and the rest of our team it was just amazing again thank you it was it was we did get robbed by way and before you we we'd love to take a picture with you you could please come forward let's go ahead and do that colleagues for [Applause] and Mr ree excellent job again I promise I'll stop picking on you next meeting we'll we'll put uh Mr Muno in the or on the hot seat yes sir yes I'm sorry Levi again please come forward sir John if you can come up one more time so I think you're I think people want to embarrass you a little bit more it's all good it's all good stuff Mr Kelly the mic is yours thank you sir I just want to take a brief moment to appreciate a young men who live in our community and do us a lot of work with his time off and that what he exemplified when he help us doing the Christmas tree ceremony uh John is not only a good person but also an understanding person he also understand the need to get something done and you just tell him and you get out of his way um I think the whole team that Mr Kell you didn't have to tell him you just have to say something and he goes out and does it so I've seen that quite a few times already that's true too so yeah but the whole team that that that works with him I mean you just to see the camaraderie and and the way they really Embrace him it's it's something special so uh on behalf of the black cultural Affairs Foundation again we just want to show our appreciation to one of our own one of our homegrown so John congratulations [Applause] John we we we'll we'll recognize you one more time if you really feeling need to get up there and say something I have to say something about John um in representation for the CRA for 21 years plus um uh the public works department has been great for the Marshal Williams area uh it it's been a drastic change from when I came on board and John and his crew has always kept the the CRA area the Marti Williamson area the loow income area in mind and he always made sure that things were done to our infrastructure our streets Street lighting and cleanup and all of our projects and I can't name them all um this guy and his crew has been uh a big help for the African American community and John I appreciate you for keeping us in the loop and making us look good along with the rest of the city I appreciate you you know and [Applause] everybody Mr manager of course you recogniz if I if I could Echo some of those comments um uh John has uh been an invaluable resource and when I I came uh to to Mr Kelly's words I I I would say you have to be careful sometimes when you call him to ask for something because before you hang up if you didn't weren't really clear exactly how you know what John would take care of it and uh maybe you didn't finish talking yet uh but but he John would uh take on any assignment uh and as an assistant director he was from operating a truck to working on a on budgets and everything in between and so John I certainly appreciate your your disposition uh and care for this community because you're always uh about getting things done and and um that is admirable and I appreciate uh all your work so um even in including coming and presenting before this board where where John said I don't really want to do that but but you know that day he showed up he looked like a million dollars the only thing missing tonight is a tie so you know yeah it didn't matter what he would say that day he just looked like a million bucks so um so John thank you for for that's before you saw that's before you see what he rolled up in here on you know CU he's got a pretty cool ride too yeah yeah on his a little spider bike so thank you John I appreciate everything that you've done uh somewhat short-handed and now we've added to the team just to keep getting things done so thank you thank you uh commission Cay so just to add on to what John's been doing for the city and just a a small little sipp snippet of what the team created for the PBA pig roast that we did so there's a video on our marketing team wanted to show real quick so they did that last minute by the way so again guys I appreciate all the work that you do for the city and the rest of your team little things like that bring us together and and that's what community is all about so I appreciate that yeah it's John Mr Munos uh the team of Public Works hopefully with the jokes you understand that we love and appreciate you and uh seriously your your contribution is uh sincerely appreciated thank you all okay uh Madam cler or Madam clerk we've got another Pres presentation yes employees of the Year 2024 Craig Martin and Sheldon Bo here we go John's not off the hook yet cuz they're also Public Works employees yes well they're sweeping today sweep tonight congrats so um you may remember that Craig and Sheldon won employee of the quarter for q1 because during last year SOI Art Festival they assisted an elderly gentleman who had injured his head and they also put out a fire during that event event oh wow so their peers voted them from the winners from q1 through Q4 and decided that they should be employees of the Year John ree Mr Reese you're recognized no congratulations to uh Craig and Sheldon also uh two hard workers in the public works team that also put in% always um just great workers congratulations it's well deserved thank you [Applause] John let let's come forward and take a picture mayor I want to I want to say thank you to them also I I every time I see them they're out there with a smile and uh no matter if it's you know 100 degrees or whatever and and so I thank them for for their effort and when I grow up I want to have hair like that I appreciate y'all thank you guys for everything you know we give a special shout out to John Reese too and Len Carter Laren Carter give him a round of applause for lar thank you part [Applause] Madam clerk I believe we have an Adam add on adom tonight's agenda yes we got one more okay yeah if we could read the add-on item please okay addon a resolution of the city Commission of the city of South Florida approving the naming of 63rd Court from Southwest 64 4 Street to Southway 66 Street in honor and of an Abigail Coachman Alexander without objection we'll consider the item added on to tonight's agenda and then I'd like to entertain a motion to adopt item F1 is there a motion I'll move the motion okay is there a second I'll second okay so have a motion by commissioner Rodriguez and a second by commissioner bonich I got that right this time Madame commissioner you are recognized to introduce the item thank you um as we all know we lost someone that was near and dear to this community recently her son is here tonight along with some of his family members I believe Gail Alexander is one of the only if not the only um artist who had public art installations that are painted in this city she made our city beautiful and that needs to be preserved she did the unity wall she was responsible for the pool mural she's a senior art teacher the seniors loved spending time with her she was important to them she's important to a lot of people in this community and while years may pass and that artwork may be painted over we need to have something that recognizes that she is special to our city she did things before other people did them right some would say better than other people did [Applause] them and and and I I think it's important to recognize that and so I had had the conversation with our city manager of possibly naming her street after her or you know I don't know how difficult it would be to do 602nd Avenue or 64th Street by the unity mural or naming you know the pool area after her I say all of these so that we can maybe come to a consensus on what we think would best honor her I just think it's important to honor her yeah I I I I would get I have no objection to the item as it styled I would have a like to have a conversation about whether or not there's something we can do to make sure that her work is preserved uh through some sort of a designation if that's appropriate but I think that's probably some more conversation to be had with the city attorney's office or city attorneys about that to understand what the proper process would be to do that but I certainly want to make sure that we continue or we preserve her her Legacy of great work um you know on the unity wall in our public in our public places um and uh would certainly love to discuss that further but if you we do have this item do we want to modify it or do we want to adopt it as it's presented how do you guys feel because i' I've offered suggestions I know that we had originally said naming her street after her I think I think this is a great unless the family has an objection I'd love to hear from them this is a great way to honor her to start and I think we can continue the conversation with regard to the the living work that she has throughout the city at a later date if that's appropriate I think that would be wonderful so uh colleagues [Music] um I'd love to hear from all of us and again I don't want to keep us here the whole evening but this is kind of um it's a tough moment and so I I know there's a lot of people here who are still grieving and so I'd like to open up this item for some sort of public comment specifically if that's okay uh so uh commissioner k why we just go across the de here and then there's any from the public who'd like to speak on this item I will recognize you to come up specifically and uh so it's contemporaneous with the presentation of the item and we love to hear from everyone and certainly we love to hear from her family that's here as well Comm Mr guy you're recognized sir the lady in blue hair that's Gail right um Gail what to me I mean we had a really good relationship you know we we spoke a lot and we always thought about different ideas and how to bring people together and U when I found out I was really shocked and I was telling her son that we we spoke a lot and we we we you know we were supposed to meet this week by the way we she wanted some cool ideas and she she was telling me that she felt great all these things were coming together for her I she just felt I you know you said it yourself she array of sunshine this past week um ideas things were coming together she she felt healthy she you know she was talking so well so when I found out you know and I told the rest of our colleagues I was I was shook you know she was someone really really special she's a she's a lady that just protrude gave out just warmth she she was happy she brought people together and that that that's a special person and you know I don't I don't know if a lot of people got to interact with her like that but it's not it's not normal it's rare to have a special like person like that and it it's shocking you know I just went through something like that too with someone in my family but and I know how you feel but she was loved I loved her I I really really I really really was a big fan of her so my condolences to you to the family to everybody that knew her all her friends family colleagues us I mean we all we all cared about her so those are my two cents for you commiss Rodriguez so I got to know Gail um obviously I'm the new one here on this Das um our election or my election was this last summer to November and I was telling her son this that um I got to meet her during the election and as I went around every day you know especially when I would go through downtown or go through the Southside I'd be on my golf cart and I would always come down her street and I didn't see her every night but I would see her a lot she would be outside with her silver Jeep and I'd stop to you know to make a Le she go Rodriguez I'd turn around I'd say hi and we'd sit there and talk and you know after those long days of campaigning you know her words of encouragement were just stay the course she kept telling me do what you do I see the authenticity in you do what you do do what you do and you don't think about it but those words of encouragement of such a grueling process help you know and uh um I just came to find out recently that that she passed I was out of town and so it's it's very sad and my condolences to the family and um I'll leave it with this it was I saw her a couple weeks ago at the senior center and she just walked up to me she goes and and and uh commissioner bonich was there she grabbed me by the shoulder she goes you have no idea how happy I am that you won and gave me a huge hug and you know from that and her encour her words of encouragement on those days that you really need it you know what a great great person so again my condolences to you and you know we we'll definitely miss her Mr vice mayor thank you yeah I'll I'll try to be brief with it but you know I I had worked with her for many years and she was just such a beautiful soul and it just poured out of her in art and community service and she had so many projects in mind and she was so good at trying to reinforce the kind of culture that we really want to see in South Miami and when I heard the news it's just you know it's always tragic to hear of someone's passing but I felt this greater loss for the city that there was going to be this void we couldn't fill that we weren't going to be able to finish this these kinds of projects without her that we weren't going to have the kind of heart and soul that she brought to the city and I still feel it and it's still just makes it very very hard you know even harder than than it probably normally would have been to to to go through that process of you know losing somebody but I worked with her on the sensory room so I think there's a lot of projects that she did um that maybe aren't as in plain sight um and then her future projects I'm I'm very I'm very interested in and and trying to make sure those actually happen as well just focus on that but thank you thank you all I I I just want to say that um I'm really glad I came out on a Saturday to um paint with Gail uh at the unity wall um I'm by no means an artist and um she was very gracious in complimenting the work I had done which probably uh was pretty poorly done certainly given her stand high standard of Excellence and um you know getting to know G I think it's uh as I got to know her it's obvious to me that she's she's always been a teacher she's a teacher through and through and her personality very nurturing as many of us have said always with a kind word always trying to help lift someone's head keep them moving forward towards any goal they had I think hers was a life um um as I said yesterday that was kind of perfect for the day as we we talked about her a bit uh yesterday was a day of uh to celebrate the spirit of service and she certainly lived her life uh in that way and and fueled by a desire to unite us all through her art you know whether we're black or white rich or poor or did matter to Gail What mattered was uh building community and she did that successfully and so to the family uh thank you for sharing her with us and uh our our sincere condolences um friends who are here and want to say a few words we'll open up the microphone at this time uh Mr Kelly do you want to kick us off sir okay um this really touched me and shook me um for the last what five years now I've been going through tough periods first with my mom and then my wife and then my dad and Gail has been with me all the way through I want to thank her son because if it wasn't for her son coming to me and getting her started on these projects me coaching uh Mr Quinton to give her an opportunity this is years ago and then coaching her through the process and putting her in contact with other artists um what a gift that she had um and it didn't matter whether you was black white big tall fat it didn't matter to her she wasn't a politician she wasn't nobody running for anything she was was just Gale and I can remember um we had a special project in the artistic room and they had this famous um child that did panics and he was he was just closed up and wouldn't talk to anybody but when Gail got there she opened up he opened up to Gail and the mother was just just amazed but she had that kind of uh a Persona about herself to just be friendly open and honest and I saw the goodness and kindness in in her so we worked to make sure that these projects were done we work work to make sure that her name were on these projects and it and it is we work to make sure she worked with me to try to make sure that the historic significance would be on the wall so people could see them my last conversation with girl was Friday we went to Friday I bought her the book that had um Marshall Williamson and history in it and she always tell me James you're working too hard you're supposed to be retired you do she's always on me and she gives me a coconut water and said I'mma pray that you take a rest you know and I'll see you Monday at the MLK event and I gave her the book and I said Gil I want that book back you know and she said J I'm going to give it to you she wanted she was working on more upward we're going to miss that Spirit you know she was just a regular everyday person that touched a lot of hearts and I'm going to miss it thank you sir good evening 6243 Southwest 57 Street um I'm not very good at speaking in front of her Crow but Gil was was unique we painted a lot of hours together just mixing colors and um I remember one day she said I think I'm going to have my eyes uh checked and she went for um her cataract operation and after that I mean she was I see the color she couldn't believe the colors she could see and I mean you couldn't say let's spend this color she said no no let's mix this and she was I mean she was incredible and then we went I mean she invited me in the at the pool she said come on we we are going to stretch so for years now I have been going to the pool and she was there uh we had so so much love so much and um she has the best smile in the world her smile is I I don't know anybody with a better smile so I miss help thank you for your words who's next folks so be sh if you want to line if you if you do want to speak please just line up at behind the lect turn and and come forward good evening sir good evening mayor everybody on the sound of my voice I'm heard tonight been fighting bad tears as I heard girl was my friend I met her 12 years ago when I retired from the Navy she was sweet like James said she didn't care if you was rich for batter skinny she could work with anybody she cared about everybody we lost somebody special I can remember when the debate about the Wall came up I'm G be honestly Frank with you I was was the first one say tear it down stories I heard about that wall about Jim Crow and what this city went through what these walls represented I was like tear it down I don't care Gail had another idea this tells you how she brought people together and and in the see all the people that came I couldn't come that day because I had to work but to see that happen after the history of this of this city it it touched my heart so I just want to say to the family her son and everybody on the sound of my voice need to honor her and I'm glad that commissioner B Mitch is doing that or at Le start the conversation be on her in the maximum best way possible cuz we would never have the likes at least I don't think somebody of that caliber it's going to be hard to find somebody like that who had a heart of gold who didn't care about money didn't care about politics none of that so I'm grieving but we're going to get through this and I'm just glad that we're doing the best we can to honor her with her family here thank you thank you little Travis Reen good evening that was a when I heard it was like the wind was just totally knocked out of me and I couldn't believe the words that was told to me um Gail there's nobody that I've met that was like Gail and um Gail and I and we had a unit myself gray Dr Price Dale Andre and Gail that we got together in 2000 right before the pandemic at the pandemic and we set at the park right across from the Mayors and we sat and we found out about each other some things that they didn't know that happened with us and some things that we didn't know that happened with them and we became like a family a small the six we call ourselves United survivors and that was the first time that I had seen Gail riding around in fact I had seen Gail at my brothers I'm like who is that lady in that sheep coming to see my brother with that green hair then the next day the red hair who is she but we became after my brother my brother passed in 2020 and um we became closer and after we joined together we came even closer and because Gail has a son a only son and I have an only son we would sit down and say you know they think they know they try to tell us what we need to do they think they know everything about us they forgot that we raised them they didn't raise us and we were just talking about you all last week we sat in the gy she would come to the house and she'll call and say I'm outside I said you can come in no come on outside I'm not GNA be here long and um last Thursday she came and that was the last conversation we talked about you all and she told me she said everything is falling in place she said I can't believe it everything is falling in place I put my glass at the cigar place and sitting there and I got a relationship with her and the city's going to give me some more work and I'm with the seniors and I'm she says I can't believe it I can't believe everything and I said you know there's a time and there's a season for every g girl and I said this is your time I said you enjoy it and I do remember her telling me she said I am having the most wonderful time of my life this is something that I had been thinking about for years and it's finally comeing fu is you and she did tell me she said um barari told me Mom you need to slow down you need to take care of yourself but she had just told me a couple maybe a month before that she went to the doctor and everything was well she said whatever you doing the doctor told her whatever you're doing just keep doing it so she introduced me and I'm going to stop to the mango leaves she said you know I take the mango leaves off the tree and I boil them and you know I went to the doctor and my cholesterol was down and my so she she she vacuum sealed me some leaves I hadn't had the strength to take them yet I'm like do I really want to boil these leaves and she bought me a bag of popcorn and they're still there at the house and last week finally my final remarks she came to the house and she came in cuz she normally don't come in she said I brought you something she had a little silver loaf pan with some macaroni and cheese with the bread crumbs she says this is for you she said I really appreciate you I appreciate you being there and telling me the truth and and listening to me I said that's what friends are for I'm going to miss Gil but I'm grateful that she accomplished all the things that her heart desired she got relationships from all people like she said she has no respect of persons she love all people and most of all K she loved you she loved you very much because she talked about you all the time so may God bless and keep you and your family thank you thank you Michelle GRE good evening well we we miss her so much but what we learned from her is that's how you live life you know boy she really lived every day she embraced it she loved it she l loved us and what more can you what more can you ask for so I just remember in all of our discussions about the wall you know it's going to be this way it's going to be that way it's going to be the other way and there was one point where she says you know I feel it I feel it now and that's how it was thanks thank you [Applause] gray good evening good evening Commissioners and mayor I just want to say that from everything that I'm hearing and from what I know of Gail myself I would say she was an inspiration to everyone to this entire city of how we should all live our life she lived her life to the fullest and she deserves to be celebrated she deserves to have a street named after her um if there's going to be a a church service I want to know where it is I want to go and um and pray and be with the community on that and I just want you to know that you know years ago I used to come here almost to every single Commission meeting and I used to see Gail um with a gentleman I believe was her husband at times and we I'd be sitting kind of close to her we always said hello and someone gave me her phone number and we talked a few times on the phone she barely knew me I she just knew who I was kind of but we never had a real you know we didn't know each other too well but I just liked her instantly and we had a couple of wonderful conversations on the phone about her artwork and about artwork in general and the project in South Miami I was very interested in all that so you know even though I didn't know her as well as many people here I knew who she was I admired her she was a beautiful elegant lady a very talented lady uh and she was a great soul with a great heart so I think you know she made this C she made the city better by being a part of it and by everything that she did and I just have one last thing to say about this street naming and how much she deserves it uh we have some artwork displayed in this city of artist that we don't even know we don't know those artists okay and we really didn't have any say as to those pieces of art going in that particular Park Dante fael I I particular I particularly have um an issue with I've always had an issue with that it's always we just let's let's keep to the moment we can talk about this other time I'm just saying I'm just saying know you take this situation you take this situation and this lady deserves to be honored forever you amen thank you sir you're recognized good evening Commissioners uh city manager mayor City attorney um I Echo the young lady before means enthusiasm um I've known Gail for 40 years Gail was Gil she gave everything she had her sincerity uh top to bottom and I think it's a fantastic and wonderful idea that the city of Miami is thinking about naming some a street after somebody whose commitment to the city was the same as the commitment to everything else she poured her heart into thank you thank you for your comments Sir Mr Hollis Mr Hollis please give our condolences to your mom uh you know I know they were really tight so please please convey on our behalf that we're thinking about her as well and God speed for her her health nice uh good evening uh I am 10 years with the city of South miam and parks department when I first met Miss Gil she said to call her the crazy art teacher lady she had her long logs different colors and she was teaching or uh finishing teaching the kids at the community center and uh I remember one day in particular I came to work and I had uh I came very early and I was in the bathroom and I was trying to fix my hair and uh she was like like she was in there with me and she was like what are you doing and I was like I'm fixing my hair and she was like there's nothing wrong with your hair she said let it out let it out and and and and go to work like that that's how it grows out of your head right and I said yes ma'am and she was like I don't know if you should dye it blue but you know wear your hair like that and I just uh over these years over these P this past decade uh her impact on me as a person uh in relations professionally to teach uh someone who's younger uh friendship kindness uh she has truly been a light in my life uh she has impacted on my children um and when I lost my mom she was there she came to me she sat with me and prayed with me uh and just in water aerobics in Silver Sneakers her at the senior center she's always been a great big part of our Parks and Recreation Department like she is just a light and she's just taught me so much and especially in her 40 plus year friendship with Dr Price and seeing them I called them sugar and spice you know uh and I see Dr Price and she's always been a very strong woman and gild has kind of been the free one you know and it's like come with me come with me Anna and just to see them their friendship and how it works and how she brings the light out of other people um it is uh such a shock to see that candle flame blown out but the the the smoke or the light from the wig it is in all of us and uh I just I know you and I know that you're a great man because your mom talks about you all the time congratulations on your family growing and she will absolutely 1000% thank you for your comments Mr Kelly good evening I guess I was meant to go last but no no there's a few more behind you they lying up behind you yeah but anyway I'm here for probably primary reason because my wife asked me to come she and G were like sisters when G was working G would stopped by the house every day when she got off the first thing she would say Corey love this young man left him to death and they were sit there for maybe an hour or two and they chat and chit chat and chit chat and at some point she'll say uh so where's Ryan Ryan is my son he's also an artist when is he gonna put his talents to work I said well you have to ask him because he's a basketball Junkie so he would come in the house and she said Ryan what when are we going to do some projects together he said we'll get there we'll get there so when I told him the news the other day he actually broke down I broke down my wife is still in trauma G was a good friend to us she was a great friend to my wife my wife talked to her a couple of weeks ago we were in DC and she told my wife said when you get back I need to talk to you I'm going to go in the hospital for a couple of days to get something done but I'm okay when I got that phone call the other morning it floored me so I went to tell my wife I couldn't eventually I was able to compose myself to tell her she said I need to speak to Cory I need to find them so I said well you got to settle down she's still in the position where she can't really deal with this right now but we're family to them so the kids each one of the boys the little ones they used to come to the house and play and do whatever it needs to be done and to this day she still talks about each and every one of them how is he doing what's this one doing so it's um it's been a been a hard week and uh but like I told them earlier we're there for them if you need us now all right thank you thank you sir good evening I'm just here good evening I'm just here for support hi hello my name is laana Williams I'm the South M greo cheer commissioner 40 plus years everyone knows that it's Miss G or Miss Gil but that was my mom that was Mom that's my brother anything I will call her for with those girls herself and Miss price were there for us my daughter's in Arkansas Little Rock scholarship every month she's asking how is Kiara how is Kiara track scholarship she's doing great art was her passion her love but those grand boys and my brother she left to death She's going to truly trly be missed because when I got the news I passed by the house I thought she was having a cookout i s the cars not knowing she had that but I just want to say that she's going to truly be missed from the city of South May grego's program and also me and I really if you guys do this for her name re it's going to be a beautiful thing if she deserves it thank you thank you for your words last we met Andre the six the group The use us um Gail asked if I say artism artism what do you think about and um we we all came up with the idea she had such an incredible Connection in the sensory room with the student with autism that made the the fresk on the wall that she had imagined that she was going to start a group with Children of students with autism or adults even and make it an art uh project uh for her in the future and that has important enough to thank you Nique Cory good evening yes uh mayor Commissioners vice mayor city manager um it's been a tremendously heavy couple days and uh I didn't intend to speak uh I just been Len with grief but everything everyone said is in me of who my mother was I want to thank everybody who here tonight my family the community my wife our child we expected and I just pray for strength as we continue as go on and and make these preparations for her I've been the one to be strong for my mom as you can hear from his people the ideas that she has I've been the one sort of be the Catalyst when she's Peter down and can't figure it out sometimes she's going to call me and I told her you be the artist you do what you do and I'll be the Mind behind this to give you those ideas and you take it and you run with it you go and speak to Mr MC don't don't shy away from him go and speak with him be strong be that person that you are they're going to connect with you they're going to see what your work is they're going to see what you're embodying they're going to support you so when I hear this from you tonight I know that everything that I thought of and this is from afar I was actually you know a resident of South Miami as well but I moved to Houston with my wife and been there for 40 years now but being in the community I know what this community needed um just to have a staple like that so much vibrant energy to be able to touch everyone and there was no she was color blind as an artist she's able to see every Spectrum um her six I call them divine I'd said go back to your group you know speak with them about it get their ideas what she just spoke about said take that back to them let them help you come up with something you do something collectively and everyone appreciates that but have some input from everyone whatever demographic it may be and this is what community is about um The Project Unity wall um she's she's like I want to do something in the community before it's all transpire um I'm like yeah well you know look at Kaio they have the the G over there you know what I mean so I'm like uh we need to do something here with this South Miami that's just as effective that you know can possibly be uh uh you know something fixated in the community as you were speaking about and I really appreciate you introducing this because this is is is is everything that I wanted for her and I'm just so proud I'm I'm just overwhelmed uh with pride and this is what helping me to kind of push through uh because I I didn't think it's it just came so quickly I didn't think I'd be able to articulate any of this as of now but I just want to thank you all um for your support your introduction your thoughts your connections uh you know just being able to communicate with me and I I've heard the stories it's so funny hearing these stories from her over the phone but seeing you guys now in front of me um and she's always said great words to say about everyone so I know a little bit about of you even though we've never met before uh so I just want to thank you this evening for just your introduction for this and I know that you will do the right thing by making her a true Staple in the community uh from here on and where we can always come back and and reflect and and just be be be proud to have been a part of her era and it will continue to live on and I really appreciate it thank you and I I'll just um hopefully we'll close this out in a second I just wanted to say um you know we've honored a lot of people here people with very important titles uh who were professors to do a lot of great things but I don't think we'll ever see kind of a cross-section of people from this community come out and speak about someone being honored this way I think it's um it's rather extraordinary sitting here observing it um and it's a testament to just how extraordinary she was um and the love she gave and so I hope that um you know the stories give you consolation of what I know is was a difficult moment losing a parent and um you know um thank you for being here and hopefully at a appropriate time when we actually put out the signage on the street you can join us for that celebration when it's convenient for you and your family and we'd love to uh do have another hopefully more joyous celebration um where we can look back at all her accomplishments as well and and just smile about that moment okay Madam clerk uh if we can call the role on uh resolution F1 commissioner C commissioner Cay yes commissioner Rodriguez yes um vice mayor Cory yes commissioner B yes mayor Fernandez yes item passes 5 Z thank you so much and thank you for everyone for being here and for your words this evening we appreciate it um we're going to go back to one of our presentation items I believe we still had one more yes John Edward Smith John Edward Smith 20th anniversary of fi magazine thank you John Edward you're recognized and I know your presentation will lift lift our Spirits once again so good evening good evening good evening thank you for this opportunity to uh present to you and appreciate it uh when I heard of Gail's passing I went to my office and got a piece of her glass tile with somi on it that she gave me about a year and a half ago I'd hear from Gail you know we're going to be uh working on the wall Saturday come on by if you can we covered pretty much all of her murals and Exhibits uh in somi magazine uh Gail also participated in somi artwalk which was the second Friday of the month uh in season for a few years that she was there she came out and did her work so she is uh certainly be missed well 20 years of somi magazine it's h there you go uh it's been an exhilarating adventure and I'm pleased to bring uh somi magazine that far this is a time of reflection and appreciation for the city I've lived in for 51 years and where I established my image marketing and Business Development Consulting business in 1982 South Miami is where I live work and play I used to get my photo copying done at Sunset quickprint which was in the wholesome office building the Water Tower came down then Along Came Bakery Center then Bakery Center came down and then came along the shops at Sunset Place and in a not too distant future that will be demolished in a new Sunset Place or whatever might be called will be a beacon of creativity for this area and I am pleased and delighted to have brought some of that creativity in my work um going forward I don't know if any of you have caught Jim Lena's press conference when he retired or resigned or walked away from um his coaching actually um when I first started teaching in New York back in 1964 U Jim was a senior at high school at Archbishop mooy High School I took a picture of him doing a layup published it in our yearbook and when he came down here to Miami I presented him with a copy of it and we've been in touch um several times but in his press conference he read a poem from a English philosopher JP ja and I was quite impressed with what he was the content of the poem and basically it sums up that a master in The Art of Living draws no s sharp distinction between work and play and that's very reflective for me as I said we're looking at our 20th anniversary when we celebrated the 5th we had a party at Splitsville and we we did the unveiling of the rebranding of somi magazine for our 10th year we had a celebration at Town Kitchen and Bar and we had copies of the covers of the magazine for the past 10 years in the two rooms at at at town and attendees could vote for what they the best we celebrated a new look our first feature being Caribbean rum so we just had to appreciate that as well for our 15th we introduced a square format and the pastry chef and owner of Cecile which had recently opened prepared a special square pastries for the occasion and the champagne flow uh I opted not to host a 20th anniversary rece ception you got it I spent the money on the redesign of our website and I invite you if you haven't seen it to um look at it it's um I'm sorry why not okay sorry there you go um I'm here tonight to talk a little bit about the back story uh on the significant decisions and Milestones over the past 20 years uh when I started I wasn't planning to do a magazine I know we needed to to have a marketing piece for our area something that was consistent something that was current and a product that reflected the quality of the businesses that we have in town my great grand father was a book publisher in Liverpool England in the mid 1800s I acquired a copy of one of his books and an antique dealer in Canada so I guess I'd say I have ink in my veins I've been in the print publishing advisory business for the past six Deads when we started sui magazine I I co-published with Miller publishing for the first year uh we printed 35,000 copies published 10 issues combining the summer issues we distributed from the on the US One corridor from 152nd Street into the South into South Gables the whole plan was to be building Our Town Center brand but before moving through 20 years quickly uh there is a special place in town uh and it is described South Miami has been described as quaint and Charming what you're looking at is a picture of Dorne Avenue uh back in the late 1980s what was so unique about Dorne Avenue now is that it was a community project we brought old world old world charm italian-made lamps and I think John Reese for uh getting new Globes on those lamps after so many years thank you for me dor Avenue is a sacr syn place it's a historic prized historic district Avalon Bay senior development VP Stu Royer first came to South Miami and he sat on Dorne Avenue and had lunch and he said this is the place the kind of place we want to invest in and after that they teamed up with Helios with with um Bard's people and put up excuse me put up the uh SOI market and are going to be expanding more don't Avenue marked our first Renaissance daring al fresco and wide sidewalks uh Twisted concrete slabs for Street Furniture did not cut it and does not cut it on D Avenue and that led to the town center Advisory Board to provide guidance on how we can move forward and envision ourselves what we'd like to see and how South Miami develop going forward we had a home tap excuse me we had a HomeTown charet and the mayor's marketing task force was developed in 1996 under mayor Neil Carver and city manager Eddie Cox we looked at a couple of options uh in in discussing uh how we want to identify ourselves he talked Village one uh member wanted to go back and call it lens uh Hometown came up town came up and Town Center came up uh there was really no budget back then in the city for a marketing effort we didn't have the The Good Fortune of having a good marketing staff uh and um basically um that logo that was created didn't get any traction at the time it was when I started uh Town Center magazine uh back in 2020 that we um began to introduce that uh it took uh spent probably nine months working on putting together the first issue I set aside some other projects like traveling to Italy um to to work on uh to work on this project and um it was very well received we had a reception at marava and we had a number of businesses there to talk about the project and what we wanted to do our first issue came out in October of that year and and featured uh treia solle on Sunset Drive uh the beginning of our um experience with Al Al Fresco dining in January of that second year we did a cover with the the three Mayors or three elected officials in the area um for the county Carlos Jimenez and ludes for Carl Gables Don snik and the late Janette snik and then Mary Scott Russell mea South Miami we did a photo shoot on the on the corner of Sunset Drive in us one excuse me Sunset Drive in Red Road uh Dressed them in tux and had a top photographer come in to do that the whole concept there was to talk about and develop the whole town center with South Miami Coral Gables and Dade County Jor just so we can plan how much more time do you think you'll need minutes okay perfect all right it's 20 years 20 years 20 minutes no but we're we're on Pace with that that's why I asked okay no I appreciate thanks um this is another one of the covers that I my art director just went crazy over because he probably had aund layers of uh covers on that we had um all the little names of the businesses on the little hearts for years I've wanted to redo that and actually look to have the businesses do their little hearts and maybe we'll still work on that and I I refer you to um our website sag.com where you can take a look at how the the logo and the brand developed over these 20 years uh our Mast heads and how we moved to a to a new format we had to stop we stopped printing the magazine and as a magazine and strictly went online and then continued to print and publish the somi guide which is an exclusive addition for for the area um I think an important and then we we start in the fifth year we started with um somi now I was advised by one of the top marketing people in town why are you doing that you didn't ask me you you didn't let me know what was going on and of course South Beach was soie at that time uh and you really anymore don't hear about people talking about soie it's South Beach the only thing that's still branded soie is the Food and Wine Festival because that's continued or started back then but so me I had one of the beans at the University saw me at at the uh um Bank lobby with a copy of the magazine and he says soai and I like no it's SOI South Beach was the first cable of South and the first syllable of beach sui is the first syllable of South and the last syal of Miami so that's how that came about and we were able to to U build and promote that brand over these past uh 15 years U SOI uh when we opened up when we when we introduced SOI we had a big reception at at um Splitsville we had sent um working with our designer uh we sent uh copies of the the brand from PE which people could select probably to about 60 people it looked like a Whitman's sampler of good things all different all different images and we finally will willed it down and created uh the SOI with with the uh uh with the brand with the U uh word Escapes Me Voice or or the never mind oh another another important aspect of of Som magazine is sponsoring and presenting events and we've had um anything from the parade of the elves to SOI artwalk uh it was uh it was good this is where we had our um first edition of somi when we did our 10th anniversary did a cover featuring Caribbean rum the magazine even before uh the first shovel went in the ground for the underline uh was a sponsor of the underline and continues to be the only uh print media sponsor for the underly uh we presented the history of South Miami we've done so many things with our Artis um architectural historic buildings when year 15 came along uh we introduced a new look a square coffee table size and then Along Came Co and U that's when we had that that was a defining time for us and just finishing up uh right now we're running a campaign by day by Night SOI is so right and um with the heart in somi and that's what we're looking at the the brand uh Town Center um a number of realtors in the area when they're promoting and advertising properties in the area they say you're close to your walking distance South Miami Town Center so it h it has an appeal uh to the business Community uh for that and as an educator former educator uh always a teacher the importance for us was to um provide accurate and informative reporting and articles and with that I will sign off thank you sir we we appreciate your presentation and uh more importantly your contribution to our our little city for so many years thank you thank you John Edward so much for what you do for the city oh my apologies John John thank you I I I I got distracted again we do have a little something for you so if we can uh just have a small thank you commissioner Rodriguez uh we have a small certificate of recognition um uh and it reads as follows to S presented to somi magazine congratulations on your 20th anniversary we value and acknowledge your steadfast commitment to the city of South Miami over the years may you persist in being a beacon for our community and local businesses highlighting all the positive attributes the city has to offer John thank you John Edward excuse me thank you [Applause] sir e okay colleagues with your uh permission I would like to just move the public remarks and then I know we've got a couple folks here in the audience on specific items uh second reading for our um comp plan which I'd like to take up next and then I believe we also have a uh presentation or discussion item related to branding I think Mr is it discussion yes correct I think we have our consultant here as well so I want to be respectful of their time if there's no objection we'll proceed in that order okay without any objection then what we will do is uh if we can read um open up sorry the floor for public remarks and thus far I have two people registered U Miss Anon Fisher will recognize you first followed by Del Travis Williams if he's still here I think he may have already addressed the item which was related to Gander uh following Miss Fisher if there's anyone else in the audience who'd like to address this Commission on any topic topic uh feel free to follow her at the podium and Madam clerk we will open up uh the same right to anyone online thereafter Miss Fischer good evening you're recognized good evening I'll try to make it snappy I know you have business to get to first of all I want to thank you all including all of our city staff for a very beautiful Martin Luther King Jr day it was really wonderful I wasn't there for the entire you know it's the ENT higher two hours or whatever but the time that I was there was just just so wonderful uh the commit everyone it was all about the people the people there we just had such a good time and the people who were working and and created the the venue and served us food they were so gracious and so lovely I I have a big thank you to those ladies I thank them there and I want to thank them publicly now because they did such a great job so you know we really have so much good going on in this city and people should come out more take advantage of it and contribute so then I want to make another I want to say that a couple what was it yesterday I believe I heard on on channel 4 news that our dear and wonderful Sergeant Bosch was hit by a car and I was horrified and very upset when I heard that because I'm acqu aced with him and I know how what a good person he is and what a valuable member of our police force he is then they and they said that he was sent home from the hospital he's doing he's doing well I spoke to him yesterday and um he's very sore but uh he's in it looks looks like pretty good health so amen amen I'm so I'm so relieved that he's going to be okay about that but it just made me reflect that our police officers put their lives on the line for us all the time and we have a wonderful police force I've always admired them and respected them for me all the many years that I've lived here and um you know we need to appreciate what they do for us and I was really like amazed that they said in the news report he said that the person that hid him didn't see him uh I was a bit appalled by that to tell you the truth because I've been driving since I was 17 years old and I was always taught that I'm responsible for whatever happens when I'm behind the wheel of that vehicle and I watch the road I watch for Animals I watch for everything and I to me that's like pretty much inexcusable but uh it sounds like our Sergeant Bosch was very forgiving I don't know what the extenda circumstances are but thank God that he's okay uh then I have one last thing to say and then I'm sorry I have to leave early I'm not going to be able to stay for everything because I have other obligations but I'm just going to say real quickly that the fireworks situation in this situ in this city is just totally out of control this last New Year's Eve and day it was like I live on Southwest 8th and it was like living in a I felt like I was in the middle of a war zone the explosions were so out of control so they're using illegal explosives every time every time there are fireworks it's insane and we need we we need something to be done about that uh we need I guess more fines more enforcement we need something we need to get the message out to people that they have no right to be using these very dangerous explosive uh fireworks some of them are illegal and they're doing it all the time I when I looked outside first of all animals are absolutely terrified anybody who's an animal lover who has pets they were indoors we all had our pets indoors and they could still like jumping and freaking out um you know I just I just think I looked out the door and I could see like the the air was filled with smoke absolutely smoke a neighbor in back of me had set off a hug huge firework in his backyard that went up very high into the air and was spewing Sparks all over I'm going oh my God somebody's trees are going to catch fire that happened to us not too long ago that some one of our neighbors I won't say who it was but one of our neighbors was setting off fireworks in their backyard and Sparks got in we have a huge beautiful old Royal poin Siana Sparks got into the tree and a branch CAU fire and the gentleman in back of us he actually called uh the fire department and we we didn't know what was going on we were all indoors and the fire department shows up in front of the house and they're notifying us knocking on the door and they're going to the back with the you know to ascertain the situation and everything and I'm like oh my God we've got a tree on fire fortunately it was you know the fire was put out right away everything you know no damage to any structures or anything but we've got power lines in back of our house we have power lines running in front of our homes and in back of our homes and I've seen Sparks on the power lines too I just say you know I don't know what what has to be done exactly but something really needs to be done it's out totally out of control thank you for listening okay I'll see you again soon I hope thank you Miss fer good to see you again take care anyone else who' like to address this comment uh this Commission on on any topic please come forward this time please young man you're recognized through the mayor yes so um sorry so before I'll give a little context uh please thank you um I invited uh Santiago and his father Gonzalo they are South Miami residents uh Santiago is a student at Columbus Christopher Columbus you're Alma moer I won't hold that again I won't hold you against SE as well no alante welcome um he's interested in in politics oh so we got to talk so we got to abuse you of this interest so I invited him to come to our commission meeting today to come and experience a little bit of uh what it is that we do up here so with that um Santiago I I give you the floor yeah please tell us your name your address and uh what grade you're in if you can all right um so my name is Santiago R um my address is 7901 Southwest 59th Avenue right next to Van Smith Park and um I'm currently a nth grader um first of all before I start I just want to give my condolences it was really moving to hear all these people talk and I really want to see the art pieces that were made um by her and um I just wanted to address something because um I just feel like right now in South Miami I feel like it's not really recognized I feel like we kind of have an ongoing problem with littering and a bit of pollution going on um some of um our streets especially the street that kind of leads in fols park it's like full of plastic styrofoam and a bunch of stuff you're talking about 80th Street um near near us one the the one that goes down okay the one that's by the canal yeah okay and um I just wanted to address every single time I because I kind of walk there when I go back from school so um it's I kind I try to I do my best to try to pick up a bit of the trash but I can only do so much and um it keeps getting Fuller and Fuller every day and even on my street 59th Avenue in the park that we have it's honestly overgrown it's disgusting and honestly it's kind of embarrassing because we have a bunch of trash and I just feel like we have no like management and control over it and I know that most of it's going on private property so you can only do so much but I feel like maybe we could have a situation or maybe a community clean up to try to fix that up and manage it a bit Yeah so just um a couple things and I'll recognize my colleague who know was eager to address the last comment you made um that the one street you're referencing near fuks Park uh I've observed that the uh embankment for the canal is often really overgrown the only problem is it's not it's outside of our our Municipal boundaries technically so we don't have jurisdiction but we can certainly um ask the manager to advise uh I probably the Water Management District that owns a canal embankment to go through there and clean it up um there's also just want to share information we we created a so SOI Connect app so whenever you observe a condition like this you or your friends if you can download the app you can actually create a um a a ticket that'll result in public works or one of our departments being dispatched to address the condition and you'll get an update as to the status of the resolution of the item so it's a good way for you to kind of um activate yourself your neighbors as they spot things that are not not in the right condition to help us kind of be eyes and ears the community to address it and I'll recognize commissioner Caye uh on the last item well it's it's it's good that you brought that up but neighborhood community uh cleanup we just had an event uh what 10 days ago uh and it was a very very well attended we had probably close to 30 to 40 people kids from Columbus Riviera all you know all the schools around here so I would recommend as a lot of our community is Columbus kids uh my son just got into so we're all excited about it um what I would recommend is let's get some of the boys and figure out what we can do for the next one that's coming up soon probably we're trying to do it maybe once a quarter um so maybe in the next one you give us some pointers on where to go and we'll be more than happy to set up it all up and get some advertising marketing social media and we'll get a whole bunch of people and then let's do it I just want to like negotiate further on I think that's a really great idea but we know that um normally when school gets out it's a really packed um Road a bunch of cars are trying to go in and out of there so like I mean we're going to have trash going there like every single day so is it like possible to maybe have a enforcement or a future legislation to maybe control that or something of that sort yeah did something we I think I think we probably have all the regulatory Tools in place to address it um you know unfortunately litter is a constant problem so I think the best thing I would suggest you help us do is when there's a problem identify it we created a mechanism so we have a feedback loop and a tracking system so we can dispatch resources and um unfortunately we get a concentration sometimes In Pockets um you know my son Lucas is a freshman Lucas Fernandez at Columbus as well so why don't you we live a couple blocks from each other we can uh drag him into this and get a group of kids mobilized and if we want to do community cleanup events for service hours more than once a quarter we're we're happy to make our team resources police Public Works available to groups like you a group like yours to actually help us you know kind of uh accelerate the cleanup efforts so um but but appreciate you coming here appreciate your interest and would love to offer to have coffee with you or well not coffee I mean you probably don't Dr coffee your age but get together get together in chat well he may uh get together in chat sometime about your interest in in local government and and share the benefit of any you know experiences we we've all had so I'm sure we all would be happy to make some time for you so all right thank you so much thanks for being here thank you anyone else in the public would like to uh address this Commission on any topic anyone anyone on Zoom please raise your virtual hand thank you madam clerk seeing No One in the Chamber and no hands being raised online we're going to close public remarks at this time uh colleagues let's move on to a couple of action items where we have folks here in the audience um Mr City attorney on item four we do not need any sort of agends disclosure no okay leg legislative item uh Madam clerk if you can read item four please yes an ordinance of the mayor and City Commission of the city of South Miami Florida comprehensively amending the city of South Miami comprehensive plan specifically the future land use element to provide for development of enhanced Town Center area and major quarters with surrounding development support of the Town Center spe specifically by amending the future land use element okay just by by way of background information so we don't have to spend a lot of time on a staff presentation uh it's is it fair to say this is the same item we adopted uh earlier this year exactly or L last year in December the same yeah we're asking that you reopt it so we could timely transmit this time correct it was it was October 1st colleagues are there any questions regarding this item okay so seeing no seeing no questions or comments yes uh did you do you have anything to uh for the record Mr resio no okay uh then we will open public hearing on this on item four at this time if there's any member of the public who'd like to uh speak on item four which is the adoption of a comprehensive plan Amendment to the city's uh future land use element uh please come forward and if you zoom please raise your virtual hand okay seeing No One in the Chamber and no one online we will close the public hearing can I get a motion to adopt item four please I'll move the motion is there a second oh second great we have a motion by commissioner Kai a second by commissioner Rodriguez Madam clerk please call the rooll yes commissioner C yes commissioner Rodriguez yes Vice Cory yes mayor Fernandez yes ad passes 4 Z thank you Mr alers you can go home now thank you uh if we can take up item M3 for uh clerk if you can read that for the record please M3 Brandon Town Senate Advisory Board recommendations thank you madam clerk uh I believe we have Mr M right here in the audience um Mr uh Mr city manager do you want to provide us some back backround and Deputy manager good good evening you're recognized thank you mayor um in late 2023 as you know the city selected plus Serbia design for placemaking Branding Community planning and Urban Design Services for the hometown District in 2024 they began that work and in June they began working on The Branding portion so the process included work by the pbia team a branding steering committee that had City staff on it a member of our town center ad board as well as the VP of University Communications for University of Miami the committee discussed we vetted several Alternatives and we agreed to share three with residents and stakeholders those Alternatives were shared at a public openhouse in September as well as online for a public vote where one of the Alternatives won with over 51% of the vote plus her are presented to the town center Advisory Board as well as this commission back in November and at that point you all as a board gave the city manager direction to move forward with um finding branding opportunities during the December 10th meeting uh the city manager was instructed by this commission to pause on moving forward with branding initiatives so that plus Serbia could present once again to the town center Advisory Board and we can take their recommendations along with the previous public input so Serbia presented to Center on January 6 the board issued comments and recommendations therefore recommendations are in your agendas tonight there there were no formal vote but some key points members unan unanimously recommended uh the somi name the subtext beneath somi which right now is recommended with District was Drew more discussion some members liked it other members discussed using Hometown District or maybe South Miami so the public knows what somi means sorry so somi South Miami one of the comments was somi South Miami somi Hometown District somi district okay uh the the logo that won the public vote is a version of the current logo which is the Ibis so it's discussion about either using the logo on a smaller scale than it was presented or potentially eliminating it altogether since the city already has a bird logo and it may be confusing to have to that's generally the discussion that occurred colleagues any questions the deputy manager Mr Kay I can no okay on the on her remarks on the summary of actions that okay okay so no questions of the Deputy manager do we want to bring up Mr muet for some discussion sure okay ju if you could join us to the podium we'd appreciate it good evening and thank you for Patiently Waiting uh on us this evening pleasure I'm here to answer questions okay colleagues I so there's been some consternation or expressed reservations about the logo that we chose to stt I mean um I went on the 6th and um you went where I went to the meeting of the Town C Advisory Board I did not stay for the full discussion uh my general message was to encourage them to not be reserved and expressing their opinion on a variety of topics that relate to the district um was not specifically to address the branding question uh my only comments there were to just uh reaffirm that I certainly do not want them to feel like they are our potted plant for lack of a better way of describing it that they're there to provide feedback and advice and guidance and to reaffirm that we are opening to listening to it now I I've read the report I don't know that from my distillation of what the discussion as it was as it was um summarized that I necessarily would take any different action than I would have when we voted on this the first time but I I thought we should have discuss this further and you know again to use a bad metaphor land the plane on this once and for all uh you know in one way or another so uh if you guys have any ideas or comments regarding the logo Alternatives the one we selected if we want to revisit it again uh opening up the floor for for conversation commissioner Cay thanks mayor kick us off um Juan just a quick question uh we we've been through this process I attended the process here with a lot of people and it was fantastic uh the amount of enthusiasm and feedback and just just wanted to be involved was great I was here it was awesome um I I I do have a question what is the just for the public and and for people listening at home what is the intent of having the bird a different bird well it's probably the same bird but just a different graphic of it um as in the in the in the area of our hometown District whatever you want to call it for now but what is the intent of having that particular bird differently than what we already have in our board on our logo whoever it is I yeah I I I don't think there's a part particular intent um we provided six different logos we were given a certain direction everybody it wasn't my favorite by the way um but which was your favorite just out of curiosity now that you said that I mean I mean I'll tell you but does it really matter it was the I'm scous to here now I actually like the heart and and I was you know in looking at your presentation you had a couple of hearts and the Heart of show me and there there was there was one with a heart that had a line through which represented us one the two portions of of of South Miami divided by us one coming together that kind of thing but that was the you know the one with a bird was the one that uh people related to uh it might have been because the the the current logo has a bird um the bird itself uh is also shaped like a pin in a map um which was something that also I think resonated with people they felt like they they needed uh the the Town Center to have sort of like a there there and it um from a design perspective uh it provided uh some flexibility as to how to use the logo you could use the bird only without the name or the name without the bird the bird big or the the bird on a map I think that's what resonated with people um what was the intent I think I think it was partly the flexibility of it that uh that I think people related to and and and that's the kind of conversations that I had with people during the Evy can I ask of you um is your question a part because I've I've heard this feedback that you know our City's too small to have two iterations of the bird and and frankly you know um I don't I don't subscribe to that logic for the following reason I mean we have roughly it's like 5280 household in the city today today and what we've been discussing in terms of the growth of the Town Center we'll probably have an equivalent number of units potentially built over the next decade or so uh in this small area so to have a a graphic that creates a different sense of place related to the town center to me given that you'll have you know a city within a city of equivalent size you know uh allowed for plenty of room for distinction um of place but again that was just my thinking CU I have heard that criticism should we incorporate the existing bird into the logo um again I don't find the current logo objectionable I don't find it's not my favorite either but if it's a if it's the question is in part motivated by concern about the inconsistency uh given the size of our city that's how I've kind of rationalized the the possible use of both no mayor I I I personally don't I I like the differentiation between Our Town Center or whatever you want to call it right now and the rest of the town I think that's what we're trying to create is a different Ambiance a different Center a different urban area so no I I I don't as a matter of fact I went through this process right when when we did this process I did it by myself I asked one don't tell me anything don't give me any feedback just walked me through the process and I did it with him um and I actually landed on the bird as well so I just wanted to make sure people understood why we're doing this and the differentiation of the birds and what they mean and and why things were chosen that that's pretty much it I'm I'm of the same opinion as you mayor and and probably Mr Cory I think you've said the same thing so I think we're all pretty much in agreement I don't know where Danny stands on this but um but I'm okay with the process I I'm you know you guys know I'm a big process guy as long as we follow a process and have good feedback and a lot of people attending which we did I'm okay with moving forward might not be the favorite or it might be but and commission Cory to you I mean you were the I mean kind of the Genesis of this branding exercise started with you giv your background um I'm assuming the iconography being different than the existing logo was part of the part of the point of the exercise as well correct yes and not uncommon in other cities and other types of branding and what I also wanted to mention and this can be a pretty common thing I mean marketing is like half storytelling and then half data which is why even though this wasn't your preferred option you followed the data and it and it told you uh otherwise I actually felt the same way about the heart we actually have Thomas heatherwick who's a world famous architect who tends to design Hearts who happens to be designing the largest project in in in our city but regardless of that we had the feedback come through and the logo hits on a lot of things I mean really us trying to push this as a destination we do have uh a a very Natural Essence in the city we do um we are a bird sanctuary it's part of our of our of our culture part of our our branding and then even the um the the typography of having like the traditional lettering mixed with the modern as a way of fusing things I think I think it's just a it's a good logo it's a good representation I think the the the group gave really good feedback and I think we should follow it because that's how you tend to have really good creative projects come through and be impactful from a marketing and promotional side you don't when when the client decides at last minute that they like something else it's not usually part of the process so Mr Rodriguez any thoughts um so and are you U Mr Mayor you you're in favor of the the one that's been chosen or you prefer to stay with with the original our current so I I'm I'm a humble lawyer and so um you know I work with creatives it's one of the fun parts of my job I get to work with you know talented designers planners Architects but I'm not one right uh when my clients ask ask me my opinion on the architecture of their projects I tend to keep my opinion to myself unless they're a really really good client because most of the time I'll say something they'll get me fired so because it's either ill informed or runs counter to their design Vision which they're just looking for me to reaffirm and I'm not smart enough to realize that all they want is affirmation of their own idea so when this process kind of wrapped up you know I I was with the same opinion as commissioner Corey which is you know um and I'll use this example in transit you know we we talk a lot about about heavy rail versus bus Rapid Transit the South Corridor if you pull people everybody wants to everybody wants heavy rail right the only part that's missing is that people understanding need density and but I'm a big believer is figure out a way to finance what the what the customer wants right because meet the customer where they're at if you want them to utilize the service here the customer again against you know the preference of someone who I say has very excellent design instincts seeing a lot of his work uh said something else the customer chose this and so I think you know I kind of I default to what commissioner Cory said is if the customer is pointing me in this direction then I'm going to go with the customer's preference because at the end of the day I want them to feel connected to the place and if this provides them the greatest amount of connection then I think that's the option we should choose um no and I asked the question because you were talking about cohesiveness with the rest of the city so that's that's why I asked the question I've heard that commentary and again I I I you know I didn't know if that's how you felt or if that was no that's a comment I've heard I mean in my mind I rational Iz you know we're trying to create a small City within the city in sense this is where we know we should grow uh we want to keep you I think what we heard on all the doors that we knocked on is that the city people want to keep their single family neighborhoods the same yeah but they want to see our town center change and so but I I just mentioned to people who may struggle with the um the lack of consistency across logos is that we we've got uh a place that you know one day could be as big as the population base of the rest of the city that makes it the majority of the land mass and I think it's appropriate that it could have a very different identity and that there's a logo to reaffirm that distinction in place and identity right you could see the more passive kind of bucolic or relaxed logo that we have had to represent more so the single family um aesthetic and makeup of the of the majority of the land MK but for this District it's more intense a bit more urban something that's a bit more stylized Chic right May capture that ethos more appropriately so I don't struggle with the lack of consistency but I have heard from people as I've talked about this that that's something that they they struggle with okay so based off that and you know my talks with the city manager and his uh um I don't want to call it frustration but uh you know opinion of that we've been working on this for so long you know I think everybody here on the commission is for that logo I I I have no no opinion against it I I would say one of the comments made out of the Town Center board was make the bird part a little smaller and make the the somi district the the lettering which I like the lettering the modern look a little bigger just I I found that to be a a good piece of advice that's but other than that I'm I'm I'm good with it yeah and I I think to to to just to kind of I think it's a good point and that was made and also um that we don't have to use it again I just want to reaffirm that the application of this can be graphic textual exclusively or a combination of both with maybe a difference in the balance between the two is that a fair summary so Mr Mayor if I may you please um November 4th I think you guys voted to move with that logo forward we've been working since then to create guidelines that provide different and some variety to the logo and how to apply it so there is the possibility of putting the bird on the side and then s on something next to it um and there's other ways that you know we're working with colors we're working with a few different things I think it's like a 20 to 30 page guideline that that gives you the dos and don'ts with a logo uh including background including shap including um sizes Etc and that should be done well we were planning to submit it in fact I think we submitted you oh you shared it with them so you guys I think might have a draft already of that guideline that gives you to you know that variety through the May um I I actually I think the way that you have the logo and and you know once it was mentioned that it looks like like you're putting a setting a pin over the somi district I think that that was pretty intelligent so I wouldn't change it personally I I think showing it's like you're saying I'm here at somi District so I think for me moving the bird to the side kind of defeats that purpose so I 100% agree with you still there is a guideline that allows you variety so depending on what situation you find yourself in front of and how you want to use that logo and what the intent is it'll provide that variety for you like sometimes you'll have it on a website on a header and it has to be in a certain orientation or you'll have it as like a signature and an email or somewhere in a small space where it just has to be a different orientation Instagram page or right on the top on the onsite the website it cannot be Square needs to be rectangular so we're providing that variety for you okay okay colleagues any further comments questions if not I I guess our prior decision will stand and Mr manager I think um proceed Full Speed Ahead okay thank you for your time thank you okay uh colleagues let's go back to a regular order quickly can I get a motion to approve the minutes of uh January 7 2025 please I'll move the motion is is there a second motion by commissioner K second by commissioner Cory Madam clerk uh please call the rooll on item H1 yes commissioner C yes commissioner Rodriguez yes Vice May Cory yes mayor Fernandez yes and it's pass 4 Mr manager your report please Madam manager are you up to bat again lots of Duty tonight um commissioner Kai I mentioned it early but I want to thank everyone who took part in SOI Fresh Start volunteer cleanup we did have over 40 volunteers show up and 280 pounds of trash collected so internally it was a team effort it was led by Our Community Affairs manager Samantha Mesa with a lot of help from public work and um and park so thanks to the team for making this happen and we're looking to make it a quarterly event so we'll keep everybody posted on that we had a promo video go out with information on the resident discount parking program featuring commissioner Cay commissioner Kai it was very well done by the way it's very well done I'm a rock I want to know what I want to know I want know what Instagram filter you use that made them look so thin the video's been viewed over 10,000 times we've had since it was published since it was published we have had um 128 registrations just in this last weekend so it's working I even got a marriage proposal you did really no it was from his wife I hope Dr Kai is not listening yeah uh congratulations are in order for our CFO Alfredo riveral and his Finance team who once again were awarded the gfoa Triple Crown award which is the culmination of winning the certificate of achievement for excellence in financial reporting the distinguished budget presentation award and the popular annual financial reporting award there are over 86,000 entities that are eligible for this award but only 360 in the US earn it and we are one of five in Miami da County so congratulations congratulations and hu baseball horse racing and financial reporting all have a Triple Crown there we go for the record how many years in a row is that no no he lost count it's too many too many to many yeah not one not two three uh congratulations are also in order for our city manager who's officially an icma credentialed manager the icma credentialed manager are professional local government managers qualified by a combination of education and experience adherence to high standards of integrity and an assess commitment to lifelong learning and professional development so I think we can all agree it's welld deserved [Applause] congratulations you pay me to say that I have a question I I thought when we hired him he already had the credential so can you can you just check his application make sure he didn't uh fraudulently list that on uh I provided it knowing that I would probably going to chase and obtain it later oh okay okay so it was aspirational the time okay no problem planning he didn't made it happen it's a little puffer a little puffery on the that was not part of the formal report so you sneak that in uh next Tuesday January 28th we invite the public to join the city and the plus Serbia team as they come back and request feedback on the Sunset Drive alternative so um that's open to the public you can register on our website that'll happen right here in commission Chambers 6:30 to 8:00 p.m. in reference to our current annexation efforts after a second set of ballots were sent out there was a December 16th deadline there weren't sufficient votes uh in favor of annexation for us to move forward with the process at this time so so again colleagues do we do you need any direction from us with respect to what to do next or do we consider this officially dead yeah I think I think by by your comment your comments right now uh yeah uh the threshold hasn't been bent and and we did a second round of ballots because some uh resident uh residents felt like they had not received it or had lost it I think uh we've given our best uh Faith effort towards it okay so if if you know unless you direct otherwise we were going to abandon that that process okay can we can we um I know we've had a couple of stakeholders that area that have been very diligent about trying to advance this conversation particularly Mr Bracken and Mr Ward if we can just advise them what the results are so as a courtesy to them and I certainly would appreciate that thank you thank you through the mayor um you recognized um to the city manager do we know by how much it's didn't meet the threshold we we needed to reach 20% uh of the voters which is about was 133 and we were at 73 in favor oh so short so thank you you're welcome okay one final item the city's undergoing a vulnerability assessment is spearheaded by our development servic department so unless there are any additional questions on the manager's report I'm going to yes mayor yes you recognized sir one last thing that we we didn't talk about maybe we can do a little feedback on feedback on the Porsche event that DRT show uh it was really well attended do we have any stats any uh anything that police wise attendance wise Public Works I mean I I went it was really good by the way yeah commissioner there's going to be a uh a follow-up after action meeting uh with the promoter uh to to get into those type of details but you know generally I I think uh you know from our standpoint operationally uh Li limited hiccups and I think it was well attended and we'll look for discuss opportunities to how to improve it um and and certainly try to identify opportunities throughout the year um so there's not just one event per year uh we had those conversations last time they didn't really materialize uh we'd like to have those again okay Mr maner I think also we by way of Point information and and feedback I mean I heard very i b there Sunday heard good feedback from some of the restaurant tours but we are going to do the uh survey of uh local businesses to kind of get a sense of impact positive negative correct okay yeah we we've done that after some of these events so we can start getting a sense and some some data on you know what type of events assists what kind of businesses right because you know they all have different comments some events help food and beverage some events help you know sort of boutiques and Retail uh so yes we're going to do that I think also just kind of continue to grow the possibility of a partnership to the extent that they collect demographic information about uh the event participants particularly for the ticketed portion it'd be great for us to get access to that because I think as we start to engage there were still a number of the boutiques that were closed I mean I did see some stores that were not open last year open this year I think seeing the value of the event but that we can take some of the information and use that to put in front of our local business so they understand hey here's a demographic that's coming right does it match your native demographic do to make it worth opening it would be helpful in terms of building some more support for for the event and some more participation yeah they get educated I mean the V the V sorry the Vintage store shop I we got text messages and I got phone calls how well it was they were so happy yeah little the new little store behind spree I for the name of it vintage store yeah I mean there where people constantly exploring going around there because they did have huh Mesa BL mess thank you appreciate that I the other thing I would say is there are some sections the event that we talked about the 73rd and the West End of US1 where we had the closure all the way to us one where was kind of under subscribed in terms of uh car participation I mean figuring out whether we can should bring that in and be a little bit less ambitious because it does have some operational constraints for Access for some of the restaurants um on that edge certainly yeah the promoter felt that U he he uh would be able to to to expand to to to those perimeters as you said uh 73rd and and portion of um Suns Drive closer years one was not I don't know if the weather played into it at all some of the participants didn't decide not to bring their cars we'll get into that in the after action but certainly uh 73rd uh had limited uh presence 73rd was yeah yeah the whole thing no no no it's portion of it I didn't even see yeah well there's just nothing to see there so if you went you really would notice was part of the event okay um further comments or questions none okay um our development services director sud is going to give a brief presentation on the city's vulnerability assessment thank you m you're recognized good evening good evening development services director so what you see on the screens is a presentation that was prepared by kimly horn it was for our first steering committee meeting which we had on the 17th and basically it was to introduce um the committee members to what is this vulnerability study which is what I'm going to be presenting to you today also uh basically this is a project that's funded by a grant that was awarded to the city about a year ago and what it does is that it identifies what city assets um what vulnerabilities we have to flooding of City assets whether it be from rainstorm events or sea level rise or whatever it is and as I said it's funded by a grant there's a certain list of um deliverables and deadlines that we have to meet kimorn has has been working on that with the city uh as you can see there we performed about four actually five because we already had our steering committee meeting the next item that we're going to be uh having is the public Outreach meeting that will be on February 6 uh the we've already disseminated this through all City Communication um tools that we have um the commission is also invited to come out uh we're hoping that we get a good turnout and what it'll be is we'll get input from the residents on where they see flooding what do they see as you know any information we get to identify the vulnerabilities of our city assets it's only for City assets by the way which is something that I learned during the uh my first meeting um it's February 6 as I said it's in the evening we made it that day because it's um the same week as a commission meeting so we're hoping to you know get people out here if they hear about it again in the second commission meeting this is the project schedule basically everything has been done for the schedule we've met all our deliverables that we've had to submit to the state and everything should be completed by August of 2025 that's it colleagues questions okay thank you for the presentation the consultant is here so if you have any questions he's also here good evening thank you for your help with this colleagues any questions the consultant or Mr cabero see then thank you very much thank you uh Mr Man does that conclude your report thank you very much uh appreciate you guys um Mr City attorney you're up next it's going to be Madam today oh Madam City attorney today nice I like it this is just an informational note the drb has not met for the past two months in January or December of 24 we understand there was no Quorum at these meetings either all all of them yeah yeah you currently have five members the ordinance requires seven members so you need to appoint the Quick Fix is to appoint two members potentially three or to amend the code to allow for a lesser Quorum potentially three instead of four for a quorum for that committee Mr Mayor yes sir sorry do we have any uh regulations on if members Miss more than a couple yes it says if you miss more than three meetings three or more you automatically are removed from the board are there members that have missed more than three yes we understand can you circulate those names through the clerk the identify those I I think the clerk gave us a report last week did she not on correct no not not that haven't attended okay I don't know who missed I think Rebecca has missed um yeah yeah I think she missed like three but I don't know Lord because she's the V play board okay so let's just not have the back and forth on this but I think uh if we can get a report I thought it was included in the last report uh on who's missed the rec number of means I have someone I'll nominate I do think we should change the ordinance so it's just a majority of the members present if it's three it's fine uh because I do think it's very disruptive to the advancement of projects we had one this did we not have one today there was no Quorum today there was no Quorum this morning either okay we've got a couple projects there I know the bank relocation project was on on this morning's agenda as well so um project Bank the bank un commun Banks relocation so yes I I would be in favor of just a remedial ordinance that would just make it you know they could take action if there's simple majority of the members present maybe it's you know got to be a minimum of three and um and uh address that way but I'll bring forward a nomination for um the drb next next meeting through the mayor I don't I don't know if I necessarily agree with that either I mean I still like to have the ability to have more just because people don't attend I I agree I I understand what you're trying to do there but I don't I think we need to have this design review board make sure we have the right people people in the place make sure that we're doing the right thing by the city may I ask to that point because I I mean I don't don't want to disagree with you um from a process perspective do these projects end up coming for site plan approval to us not not not all of them not all of them yeah some some are well there single family homes yes and then site plan review that doesn't require any extraordinary uh approval so so just pass question if they're below the Threshold at the applicant's election they've not been able to to they've been deferred can they choose just to come here would that be one way we'd want to give them some additional relief they can choose to wait for a Corum where they could just choose to have the the matter considered by this board so that it's they can get someone can adjudicate right their site plan and dispense with the matter so that we don't delay projects unnecessarily yeah I would suggest maybe perhaps like a minimum number of of attempts at the at at the board one or two you know that they've been they've been deferred because for lack of Quorum at least once before I would say at Le at least once I'd say at least I would say at least once yes for lack of Quorum again my my the goal there just not to have things stuck right through the May through through the mayor to the to the Madam City attorney is it am I wrong in that if if they don't have Quorum doesn't it then go back to the building department and they make the decision on that project no no they have so they have so they make on single family they make a recommendation to the building department does and the building department issues the the approval but they've got to make a recommendation the way it's written right now okay so we would we could build that in that that it would I guess not go to that board if they didn't get Quorum and is there a minimum amount of times that they get DEF like a maximum amount of times that they get DEF not present so for the last three meetings these projects just keep getting deferred and delayed I don't think that's very fair to the owners and to everybody part of that project 100% that's that's just costing them money and time I think we yeah we need to do something I I think honestly I think uh so let's just and excuse my ignorance I should know more about this process than I've just purposely remain ignorant um I I mean I would be comfortable with having staff basically if there's an attempt and there's a lack of quum you know once uh allowing the the building department on a single family home to make the decision to approve without the recommendation okay um with respect to larger projects that maybe are below the threshold so you know multiple dwelling unit projects I would be I'd be fine with allowing them the option after a failure have quorum to come to the board here if it's more expeditious to have us adjudicate the the um the matter I don't know any thoughts on that how how long like how many deferments I I I think one one is you know yeah cuz two two is already 60 days plus they have to wait till then the next Commission meeting so yeah we're looking at what 70 to 90 days out okay can we bring that on an emergency basis I so normally we would require a discussion you you guys are having the discussion right now so yeah we could bring it back as first if we can bring in an emergency basis advertise it if it's still timely for February 4th that would be that would be um okay any objection to that colleagues May mayor can I add something please um maybe what we can also do is that we really haven't really focused on our boards pretty much at all um using the priorities maybe we can set aside five minutes to make sure that we we go over board assignments sure um and make sure that we're filling them uh I know I need to kick off another one that's going to start now in February and I really love our participation from you guys so maybe we could just include that in our priorities sure five minutes just to discuss them and that's it it's fine we can certainly take that up on the four mayor according to our ulations and nig's Report uh Commissioners Cory bonich and the mayor need to appoint uh representatives to the the drb yeah okay that's it anything else okay colleagues are we fine with that direction or yes okay okay so look forward to seeing an emergency ordinance on the 4th okay um next up on the agenda very quick quickly can I get a motion on oh sorry we've got uh you want to take up the discussion items or you want to get rid of the uh resolutions here quickly get rid of the resolution okay if we can take up uh consent agenda item one and read that for the record Madam clerk yes item one a resolution approving the waiver of rental fees in amount of $1,190 for the use of the field at pman Park and the baseball gymnasium at gibon Bela Community Center by sou miy Middle School uh is there a motion on item one please I'll move the motion is there a second second okay we motion to approve item one by commissioner c and a second by vice mayor Corey uh Madam clerk if you can call the rule on item one please yes commissioner K yes commissioner Rodriguez yes vice mayor Cory yes mayor Fernandez yes item passes if you can read item two the record please item two a resolution amending the schedule fees and fines to revise the Parks and Recreation fee schedule um colleagues any questions of the administration on the proposed free schedule auditions for South Lamy Park and um what was the other facility Mr manager uh Moy building the mo building and the uh picnic shelters these are just establishing fees for those two facilities that Pavilion that were previously not in our fee schedule so we're not changing any other items by my reading of the item correct huh addition additions yeah there's the the there's one that did have previous but it was on a per hour which is changing to a flat rate so technically it it was on the books before okay my apologies for the the statement uh seeing no questions is there a motion on item two I move the item is there a second I second a motion by the vice mayor a second by commissioner Rodriguez Madam clerk if you can call the role please yes commissioner CA yes commissioner Rodriguez yes vice mayor Cory yes mayor Fernandez yes I don't that's Z great thank you just record mayor I'm sorry these were recommendations based on neighborhood uh recreational different cities yes staff did to want to make sure the public for benefit of the public yes the U staff uh did an assessment of comparable facilities in neighboring jurisdictions and arrived at a kind of a consensus estimate on what the appropriate fee was uh all of which might bu my recollection were below uhet or below the market generally uh so um hopefully people will get to enjoy those new facilities um we have uh two discussion items uh Madam clerk if you can read item one and then we'll recognize commissioner Corey to kick off the conversation what about item three I'm sorry item three oh my apologies I checked it off prematurely if you can read item three into the record please item three a resolution creating a charter Review Committee to review and recommend amendments to the city Charter providing for appicable do procedures including is composition qualification duties and other related matters okay thank you so colleagues um I I spond to this item simply because I think uh we have been prior to your joining the commission commission igz uh discovering uh as we were doing that our Charter in many ways um is fairly Antiquated and so rather than continue to peac mealing reforms just want to kind of take the next year and change to begin to have a group assist us in on our analysis of the charter uh propose a series of reforms to the extent they're necessary and have a deliver process that would inform possibly our putting some items on the November 2026 election ballot for the public to consider um that's the intent of the item uh the difference between the presentation today and the previous presentation was a modification to the schedule so there's more time for the conversation to happen hopefully large more Community involvement can can happen as part of that as well and we'll avoid um incurring the cost of a special election under the previously proposed schedule by putting it on uh a general a general uh election ballot in November of 2026 so uh those are my kind of comments on the item if you have any questions happy to answer them uh through the mayor so um in regards to this we will be setting up a committee that going to review the entire Charter put them all which I think is also very efficient um are we going to now be appointing these how many appointees will there be we are u m attorney if you can address his question and just clarify for me that the item is drafted would allow us to appoint non-citizens I I would like to possibly bring on someone I would consider an expert in Municipal governance to kind of serve as my representative so I want to make sure I'm allowed the flexibility to do that right so the committee consists of five members each commissioner would appoint one member however mayor the qualifications is drafted they must be residents of the city and qualified elect can can we allow for a a minority of the yes of the members to be non-residents I think it'd be good to have a combination of both people who are very familiar with local Municipal Charters almost like an expert uh uh participant and then balanced out by you know regular South Mi residents who can you know certainly uh bring to the table their perspective on you know the unique character that is our our small city right so three out of the five could be non residents with expertise no I I would like it to be the opposite so three out of five should be residents with a maximum of two that could be non-residents okay colleagues any objection to that Amendment no if not I'll move the item without modification is there a second I'll second thank you so motion by myself with the modification um expressed earlier and a second by commissioner Cay Madam clerk if you can call the role please yes commissioner Cay yes commissioner Rodriguez yes vice mayor Cory yes mayor Fernandez yes IEM pass thank you okay now we have two items left which I believe are the discussion items Adam clerk if you can read item M1 and then we'll recognize commissioner Cory yes M1 Vice Cory North Area annexation thank you commissioner commissioner would you like to give us a quick overview on on the item yes no problem at all so I think uh we're all very much aware of the fractured borders that exist in our city uh particularly in the Northern Area creates some service challenges and difficulties I think we've all um potentially had the vision of squaring off our borders and looking into annexation uh in that Northern Area I did want to make a minor Amendment here um west of 67th and if you look at the memo you can see um uh the intention west of 67 all the way down to 80th Street there is a swath of three to four blocks of unincorporated dat that AB buts the llam trail that I would also like to include in this study so it does go a little bit further south but that would connect our city um to the lam Trail entirely instead of just a small portion that is currently connected on 64th Street and the intention of this is not for us to immediately engage and uh put money and and and and fullon effort into it the intention is to bring this over to the city to look at it to see if a consultant would be required to get the kind of information we're looking for in terms of a cost benefit analysis in terms of process and for them to come back to us with a recommendation of the best way to approach this I think doing this is in line with a lot of the vision that we have had for our city of you know uh having our own uh envision the future of the city from a zoning perspective I think this is also envisioning the future of the city as it should be as a whole um I've had multiple neighborhoods and multiple neighbors as I live in some of these fractured areas that have come to me with a desire to join the city both west of 67th Avenue and in sort of the builtmore Heights area in the northern part um I do believe there's a lot of benefit to it I despite all of the math and research we've tried to do on our own I do believe that the city or potentially if they come back with a consultant can give us the answers we need to be able to make an informed decision on whether we want to take this step but I think we should know as a body whether this is what we want for the future South Miami or not and the sooner we get started on something like this the better as it could take years to accomplish so that's my that's my framework for the discussion again this is not for the city to dive head in this is not for all of our resources is and budget to be allocated this is for the city to look at it and bring back to us a practical application of how how we could accomplish this so questions of commissioner Corey colleagues yeah uh you know I don't have a question for commissioner Corey I think that we're all I mean I'm in the same mindset with him I do live let's let's if I can because I do have a question I want to take questions and we'll take have some some conversation so you have a question yeah so um the vice mayor excuse me um Mr vice mayor so I would ask are you open to maybe doing this in like a phase one or phase two because I think when when we go for 67 East to 57th and Bird Road to Miller I think you're going to get a much more positive feedback and an easier Road um I'm I'm with you 100% I as you know I just went through there it's impos you know it's it's it's a cluster of finding which one's here and which one's not and um I just feel west of 67th with that shopping center with those new apartments growing um and and and and Southward I think we might find a little bit more of a roadblock so I don't want to I don't want to jam the whole Annex thing for you know and I I don't I don't think you do either and and and because I think we're all in favor of of doing the north side um that's why I think it might be easier to you know go after one obtain that and then possibly go for the second one I'm just asking if if yeah that something you'd be open to or I I think so and I have had some discussions with the city manager about potentially looking at the options of having that commercial west of 67th involved and the commercial not involved to also consider the viability of it it it might not be viable without that depending on what they come back to us with I also do think that we will run into what when you say viability do you mean Financial viability yeah okay yeah Financial viability I also think that so from your perspective this is got to be you want you're looking for a break even uh Prospect at worse yeah okay yeah and I I do think that it is possible that if we do that first stage annexation we're still going to have similar issues where we have fractured borders up there once the lam Trail comes into play you know we're it's going to be a very active part of us to activate those major roads which we will only have one connection to it on 6 4 so there's and and and those neighborhoods I mean just to in my opinion especially going even further south they're even more isolated than the neighborhoods up north because they're sandwiched between the lam Trail which is currently inactive and the city of South Miami and they have two or three blocks where honestly I don't even know how they're served uh by by the county they're completely isolated um commissioner I just want to get some clarification from you um on the boundaries particularly in the South can you kind of give me a sense of the modification you wanted to the item so I'm clear yeah so originally I had 64th Street but if you go south on 64th Street down 67th Avenue okay everything west of that to the lam Trail is currently unincorporated dat and then it gets cut off toward the bottom around 80th Street so there are essentially like two three blocks sometimes four blocks that are well yeah I I think actually 69th Avenue is [Music] where not 67th 69th to the lam Trail is day County 69th East to 67th is South M but in some cases 67th is the boundary for South Miami so if you look at the map oh as you guys us one yeah yeah yeah okay but but the southern boundary would be 80 Street we're not yeah the one thing I just want to make sure is that we're not looking at picking up I I mean I would love to that commercial but I believe it's in the North in the Kendall urban center District M right and uh the County's already expressed some reservations before in connection with the prior attempt to enn um the fuks Park area for a lack a better way of describing it uh to including the commercial in that area okay so I'm I'm clear on that um going further north I my only suggestion would be that rather than use a lam Trail um as the eastern boundary uh north of 44 Street I'm just trying to look at the map here we go to 70th Court which is the western western side of that new apartment building uh that pretty much would then leave the industrial which again I would love to have as well but that Industrial Area as uh you know outside the municipal boundary and clearly within the County's Province I think that probably at least as a first cut would get a better reception from uh our colleagues at Mi D County um and I think point of just point information to remember is that we will be dealing with a new County Commissioner there probably as we if we start this conversation because commissioner Cabrera will soon be uh departing uh the county if he's you know confirmed and there's no reason to expect he would not be um so um hopefully we'll get a um a receptive Year from his replacement uh or uh further questions of commissioner Cory what was the street you just said 70th Court so it's um it's here's the uh you want to take a look at my I see it where the building is on the west side on the west side of the building that's correct where our chief used to live yes the back of those duplex correct so we what what's your intention there to go that far west I think it's just that that's kind of the last it's all everything to the east is all residential of that of that street everything immediately West has an industrial commercial character so it you know if we're if we are taking if the if the the information we've received before is to the extent that the character of the neighborhood is residential they're more happy to they're happier to cooperate with the annexation request I think that's consistent with that request um do you feel like the property south of that apartment buildings is going to change over to residential I I I well no a again I'm saying just north of 44 Street yeah that's what I'm saying so between 40th 44 Street and bird there's a building on the North side but south of that that's still yeah you're right you've got a couple of industrial buildings there I'm sorry I thought they were U an ad yeah I mean I would probably excise so north of um 70th Court to the southern phase of I forget the name of the building but the multif family building and everything else would kind of be on the east side of those properties I'll I'll um I think we all know what we're talking about but we we can figure out how we describe those boundaries with the city attorney at the appropriate date okay this is just a discussion item M okay um since we moved Beyond questions uh comments I know you wanted to say A you had a few thoughts commissioner G yeah no I think that you know it's always been on the Forefront when I first ran two and a half years ago well when never two years ago two and a half years ago um just the the sheer uh inefficiencies of our waste or police not only us but them as well Miami day County um I think that taxes on the North side being lower it'll be a Jud that's the only part that people are hesitant to join our city is because uh Apples to Apples were very similar but as the property appraisal value goes up higher uh exponentially it goes higher on the tax burden for the resident so on the North side you do see an average medium uh taxable value on each property a little bit a little bit lower than we just experienced when we try to do the area around fuches so I think that as we proceed with this to make sure we communicate clearly um the advantages disadvantages and and tax purposes that'll be the only deterrent in my opinion on why uh the majority of the deterrents would be based on tax value and I think people would be surprised how well we do compare to the county but um just to make sure you guys understand that that is a deterrent commiss R any thoughts want sh no no I I agree um from conversations I've had with people who live in there that are not part of our city that's their one concern is is just tax how are their taxes going to go up we down look I think um my my general reservation with annexation is um I think absolutely this is the right thing to do um I think um it makes all the operational sense for both the County of the city for us to square off these boundaries that said um I I want to be I would say uh my general thoughts on annexation with respect to how best engag it is let's go where we're welcome and so I I know I've had I've been invited to meet with the builtmore Heights Board uh sometime last year I think commission Kai was invited as well had a conversation you know my my general consensus with them was why don't you come forward and once you've organized and meet the request I know there's the difficulty with that is we're working on someone else's timeline but I think what um we probably learned from from this last engagement with the area around fuks Park is um we've got to test the organization of the proponents yeah that we learned they were not as well organize this time around um allow making them take the own of coming forward and making the request gives us um some legitimacy in the eyes of neighbors it's not us trying to do what was perceived in that neighborhood as a tax grab which I think is why in fact this failed so I I'm a little bit I mean I think if we want to do the analysis to be prepared to engage in that conversation I'm all for it but to the extent that we want to get out and start affirmatively marketing this opportunity to the neighborh to these neighborhoods I'd be more reent to want to take that next step just because I think we need to come under the cover of some neighborhood legitimacy this is that we want this is about we I mean I think we should be having conversations with key stakeholders and giving them all the requisite talking points right we can provide them better protection in terms of the certainty around the single family character of their neighborhoods given our zoning code versus the County zoning code we're going to provide them better police response times right than they would from a tax perspective we should understand in every conversation what the differential is of any the tax burden to those residents so you can say to them definitively when you factor in these additional costs right that the county imposes it's a wash or it's you know what $300 more a year for a response time that's two and a half minutes versus spe jerson say s and a half minutes per police so people very clearly understand the value um and then I think we've got to start to work on the policy piece which is if we inherit you know if we're if we're fortunate to be able to welcome these uh residents into our city that we're not creating a a long-term liability financially for the city with the septic to sore conversion cost where we are expected to kind of solve that problem for the regional government that's going to end up owning the infrastructure and deriving all the revenue uh from it in the future it's I don't think that um as much as I want to rationalize the boundaries and I would like to go well beyond what you're suggesting because I think there's a lot of opportunity for the city uh within industrial areas you know all the way to the paleto um again I don't want to I don't want to um ignore the fact that uh I don't want to whistle pass a graveyard on that Legacy cost issue right so um it's not going to show up on our books uh that was a comment I got from an elected at the county so what do you care I I care because I know it's there right and so um you know I want to be you know a good fiscal store for the folks that'll have to follow us here on this dayas so but I but I I think we should do the analysis and we should be prepared to have the conversations when people come forward yeah and I'm in complete agreement with you in fact without U buil more Heights and some of these other larger organizations within that area I I don't even think it's a possibility yeah so um but we do need to be prepared to say whether it is a good idea or not and then of course you know they're not the only neighborhood um that we'd be looking corre and if we want to like I said before have the vision of squaring off our boundaries it's going to have to be us even getting one organization together to do something that big would be a challenge getting multiples is you know yeah agree okay and and through the mayor um we're actually I you know in what you were saying um selling them on on better response times our our police officers are actually in my discussions I found out that our police officers do already go they do they do I mean and that's and that's part of so that's our cost that we're that's part of yeah and that's part of the challeng you right is that a lot of people and people said this to us in the last conversation why do I need to join you when I already get the benefit of uh the mutual Aid and and I mean that's unfortunately the way our system is set up the the bad of that system is we pay for service calls outside our jurisdiction but you know we've had some events last year here where we were overwhelmed and we called our County Partners and they came and and back stop our department when we were frankly overrun so um you know but I I think what what we have to say is you don't you don't get the same predictability you would get if you know that you know you're a a part of the city and Beyond the police response time which is a huge differentiator I think a um a huge value Creator there are some other real benefits um in terms of representation in terms of predictability in terms of zoning Etc that U Waste Management right uh level of service there are some other benefits that we just need to make sure that we communicate we we you know the our last conversation was our first rodeo I don't think we managed that the roll out as well as we could have and we lost some momentum as a result so that's on us but now that we know better we need to do better and I think um I agree with commissioner Cory being prepared for the conversation is just to our benefit um and we should engage when people are ready and we should be thinking about how we can kind of create some support um in those other areas that are not as well mobilized so that uh and give them the tools to to sell the idea if people are committed to agree okay uh with that do we need to take any action uh on the side of Mr maners do you need any direction from us no if I understood correctly it's to um identify a consultant who can assist with uh initial well I think it was it I think it's the question is do we need one do we need to engage a third party or can we begin to do some of that analysis on our own and then if there if your conclusion is that we need the support let's figure out that what that looks like from a cost perspective commission Cory m am I clarifying your intent is yeah that's the memo request is that we uh either either are able to conduct it herself or come back with a consultant option okay understood thank you okay with that let's Che up item M2 commissioner Cay no noise ordinance Amendment commissioner C you're recognized to uh introduce this discussion item uh we made some some some noise ordinance changes just recently and um you know the borders between Todd and different borders where they're more residential we really didn't take effect well some C some some constituents came up to me and asked me to really review that as there are little holes there especially on those boundaries where across the street you can have noise ordinance that are you know a little excessive at times because they're in a Todd District but they'd live right across the street for and residential so what what street specifically uh 74 Street so I I I mean I read the memo and I would just tell you my my initial thought is um the exemption that where I'm concerned about the exemption is to the extent it bleeds into the TD what's the appropriate term the attorney the na no no no tdna is the north side the south side of it yeah so so so it's t to o t give me the acronyms again yeah you've got to uhhuh that's the that's the core core that's the dark purple in tsdd right TS that's to O daa tsda tsda is the lighter purple okay so that's historically the commercial era that would include that's right everything 74 Street North correct uh yes 74 Street North and then and then t t correct so that's that's where I'm concerned do the does the exemption apply in that area today oh already applies it would apply in if you look at the map it would apply to the light purple and and the peach so it would apply to both of them I'm not looking at the map so gotcha so it would apply to the commercial area and the TV and then south of 74 I'm in agreement with changing the rules with respect to that area and here's the reason why I don't I don't necessarily agree with the balance which is the area just immediately North I think I think your proposal would have also modified uh the areas north of 74 Street in terms of ours as well am I correct in Reading we're calling the reason I would tell you that uh I'm not supportive of that is that that's been the rule historically so the point of demarcation what is commercial what has not been commercial been 74 Street and there's been my recollection always been an exemption for noise in that area in the commercial area there was an exemption for the hometown District yes Hometown District which that was part of it was it not uh yeah if we go back but there was always we just implemented the Noise We No but so but there was we we modified it and I believe and again so I want this is why I want some clarification 100% agree south of 74 Street we need to we need to rightsize the rules I just wanted understand historically I thought we had an exemption for the areas north of 74 street I'll tell you now hold on mayor we're not changing the noise ordinance south of 74 street that stays the same what we're changing is the Todd District because that affects the TDN the tdna area well again my my my point is I just want understand what the status quo status quo an was before we change it so that so we had the city commission may stand the hours of any musical performance uh or any business that provides live music performances in grsr or Tod that's what the old ordinance used to say okay so there was no exemption there was no blanket exception okay I thought there was that's why that's why I was yeah no the commission could extend it okay okay so what this proposal would do is just provide a blanket exemption to TOA correct it it already exists the blanket exemption so it would it would curtail it for those sorry so what what blanket exemption exists where before we change the nomenclature no problem around the district so the way the code is written right now which was based on the the ordinance that you guys adopted a few months ago is that everything in the tsdd everything whether you're understand that but before that before we change the mayor just let him clarify because he wasn't here I'm sorry my apologies okay reading so Mr C attorney go through it go through before we changed the ordinance yeah we had we had a rule that said you know it was a little looser in terms of how you measure it wasn't as as set in terms of decb or anything like that right um and then there was an exemption that could be granted by the city commission to extend the hours of any music performance for any business that provides live music in any gr Sr or Tod so Tod would have been kind of the central you know you what what we consider now tooda okay okay and then gr and Sr went all the way down us one uh and in the hometown District okay but that that Loosey Goosey ordinance you're referring yes by by inference yes I'm going to assume there were hours were you allowed for Amplified noise there were there were it was from 7:00 a.m. to 11: you were you were a loud noise between 7:00 a.m. and 11 p.m. okay yes my my my concern with this change as I read it is that we are reducing those hours for the to Da portion where historically their hours were more liberal than they are under the current proposal yes and I think you mean the TSD tsda thank you yes sorry it's confusing so okay so that I what I what I the only modification I would like to propose to commissioner Ka if my colleagues agree is that we make the modifications to the old area but I would like to at least keep the app the historic hours the same for the areas I'm going to call the historic commercial District which is the areas north of 74 street right so we're not we're not adversely impacting those businesses and again I it I also want to mention to my colleagues one of the motivations for doing this is that we can Now operate in a world where we are severely limited in our Municipal Authority because tomorrow any one of those owners wakes up and wants to sue us and can automatically enjoin the ordinance if they believe it's detrimental to their business so I also want to keep us out of the prospect of someone deciding to wake up tomorrow and suing Us by virtue of any action to modify those historic hours for that section what are the difference in hours that we're speaking it's about an hour plus or change what did we change on the hours so the right now the or or the proposal was to change I no what what sorry he wants to know before before we gave the blank exception what were the hours historically and what are the hours today as of two months ago yeah okay so historically it was you were allowed to make to have loud music 7: a.m. to 11 p.m. and we we provided that from 9:00 am to 11:00 PM it would apply to everything in the tsdd which is all all three subd districts every day every day okay yeah what I what this proposed was to treat the TOA which is the right around in the station right differently and preserve those that exemption for them and then everything else would be would have a lesser the exemption applies to the decb decibel levels correct correct yes correct it's not the hour and the hours they're not much different right so we Chang it from 8 to 8 800 amm to 8:00 P.M Monday through Thursday and actually increased it to 12:00 a.m. on Friday and Saturday and national holidays and then Sundays reduced it from 10:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. yeah I I I'm just in with the areas that are historically commercial that we take the most liberal hours that we've approved and apply them there okay okay now I'm not I'm not I'm not I I I I want to support the deciel I want to preserve or revise the deciel limitation okay but I just don't want to I'm concerned because we went pendulum swung this way maybe we didn't think about all the consequences right uh and I agree that there are there are some areas where there there's some spillover but what I'm saying to you is the spillover has always existed and we're living in a universe where Tallahassee has said you do something that negatively affects a business and that business wants to get up and sue you tomorrow right they can sue us we're in court we're going to lose our ordinances and joined let me try to yeah I don't think propos oh just a wait what the mayor's suggesting is right now we we we're treating the dark purple one way and then we're lumping the light purple in the Peach together that's what the proposal is I think what the mayor is suggesting is to lump the light purple with the dark purple treat them all the same and then the peach treated differently that's correct I think that's what the proposal is thank you for simplifying it there's no businesses in this on the peach correct so why are we changing it's residential anyway because right now it applies everything on this map has the exemption right now the the blanket exemption so the the idea of The Proposal what we discussed was that the light pink especially on that Corridor which on 74 Street north of it there is no real businesses right now anyway right right but the fear was from those residents is that as we populate and we get more development that we will get noise encroachment into that area we've never had an issue before no there have been issues I mean I I will tell you as a practitioner I stood on the other side that day and had an application for the building of town denied to basically create a lounge was called Lady Marmalade of all places because there were concerns from Neighbors about noise and so the concerns have I mean it's not it's not a future problem or future concern I'm telling you it's a concern it's been a concern 10 years ago 12 years ago when I was a practitioner here before I decided not to do me work in South Miami um and I I think that you know we all choose to again this is I'm going to go back to to my put on my very offensive and probably not kind hat that I wore the day we at South Miami park around the conflicts there and say we all choose to live close to certain things and this is a historically commercial district and I do not want to start saying the president right now where we're going to say it's got to be like living in uh the area south of Adia street right you live closer to the district you're living closer to the action it comes with a good of the proximity of being able to go and have a coffee a block and a half away from your house but it comes with a bad there may be people talking a little bit more loudly and it comes with maybe a little bit less Tranquility that does in some other parts of the city those are choices that people have to weigh when they decide what places to live that's how I feel about it I'm just one person I I I respect the fact that we want to try to limit conflict but I don't think it's going to be possible when I lived at downtown dayand and the Rooms To Go trucks came in we're beeping at 4:30 in the morning to do deliveries CU we didn't want to have deliveries happening through day I had to live with the noise of the delivery trucks cuz I lived in the building not even above it you know two blocks away and that's just part of living in a more urbanized environment you deal with those those those conflicts and so I don't want to start to create the the precedent where we're going to say this needs to be as quiet as a uh single family residential neighborhood right because this is a transition area where we decided as a board just a few weeks ago to also increase the intensity of development that can happen there right so I I think we're going to have more conflicts over time because we're inviting more change if we if we start down this path so through the mayor um I I I I have a little bit of the same concerns is there any way that we can diff so how do I put this so we have for example I'm just going to give an example I don't know what their noise and what their what their proposals are to do with their business but for example we're going to have happy wines which is right on 74 so are we telling Happy wines that if they want to do the outside portion of their restaurant that they got to shut down by 8 o00 and not have music or people outside because of the deciple levels that would then then I'm I'm not no what what so the exemption hours would be for for that area on 74th would be uh Fridays well Thursdays this this be south of 74th Thursdays yeah it would be 8 to8 8:00 so at 8:00 we're telling this business they can't have noise outside I is there any way of differentiating the commercial with residential because we also are going to have Apartments there so an apartment if someone's in their balcony you know in the new Avalon building facing south and they're blasting music I can understand that but I don't think we should limit our commercial especially when we're trying to invite businesses and you know new business to come into our down into our somi district and and then tell them hey by 8:00 you have to be shut down you can't have music or people outside because it's too loud you could extend the exemption to those for for for those areas you know right now what was proposed in this was uh Friday Saturday and Sunday exemption you could extend that to all the days of the week or just I I don't think I don't think 8:00 is reasonable under any standard so I mean that's how I feel about it again and again I think let's get all our concern turns out so that the City attorney can hear it and again we don't have to come to a resolution today and but I think we I think I do want to move forward with you know commissioner Kai supporting you and having an ordinance drafted to begin to address some of these conflicts but I'm not I'm not you know I I do have concerns about um tipping the balance too far now in the opposite direction and I am and I am concerned that for example this new entrepreneur who is expecting to operate you know on these guidelines wakes up tomorrow and says say hey city of South Miami you know what I don't like your ordinance statute says I cons sue you ordinances and joined and we get none of the no portion of the outcome we want until that litigation resolved I mean that that is that is a possibility that is a possibility yes yes and and and again we we don't know uh for example the future Bank uh lot if that gets developed we're going to have restaurants and and lounges and stuff there there's no way I mean we want this to happen I think 12:00 is even very stringent because buganvilia gets to operate till 2: in the morning but then a business that's right up against 74th on a new development is going to have to shut down at 12 no they're not shutting down Danny they're they're they just can't have really loud noise over 80 de that's all well we were talking we talking about we I'm sorry I want to also be clear we were talking about adjusting decies down I think the recommendation was to go to possibly 65 or 70 so I mean that's again not terribly loud either I mean I'm just Alfredo can probably relate I'm having flashbacks to the days of Kathy mccan not to invoke the name of a constituent who lived just across the street from 74 Street and every time anybody wanted to situate a business in the district she came out and she would basically try to blow the whole thing up right the city has evolved beyond that day I just don't want to set up a series of rules that's going to have the unintended consequence of tying our hands and limiting the kind of development that we want let's I think any any other reservations colleagues so I think we've kind of all kicked this around a bit rather than protract the conversation and extend the me any longer let's leave it to our our very talent to City attorney to bring back a draft Ordinance do you want to have it as an ordinance on first reading I'm happy to hear it or you want to discuss it further what's your preference commission K I'll discuss it further with the city attorney okay we'll come back to okay fair enough move forward I'll I'll bring I'll bring it back okay again I'm I'm happy I I'm happy that I think we need to make some modifications no doubt so colleag see uh yes sorry quick question do you do you want to move forward with a deciel limitation as well uh modify it or we'll bring it back and you can I think I think we should I think I think we should include the modification for discussion that's my opinion I don't know if you have a I can again I'll say it again um is there a way of differentiating a Commercial Business from a again apartment where someone's blasting noise on their balcony you know that I can understand you know they got to lower it but's the difference well one's a business I know but the business and the apartment are right next to each why does he get so guys we can have a conversation in the microphone so that you know mine's green too um no it's green but it's not it's not I'm not hearing it in the system I I just feel you know at the end of the day we're we're trying to get you know our our our our town you know up and running get businesses in here get get you know bars and restaurants and you know for example if you have kitchen 57 with the people that they have outside and the tables that they have outside if they're too close if another business like that were to happen to come in and they're too close to 74th now that now one side of it of that building will have no restrictions and and the other side's going to have these restrictions I I don't I don't find that to be fair um the reason I say residences is because you're going to have like the Avalon building where there's going to be all these balconies facing towards the South and if they start blasting music and they start hearing it I you know I don't know I'm just trying to work with with so what one other one other one other suggestion which is something they do on Miami Beach particularly when they're talking about what they call Neighborhood Impact establishments which restaurants lounges Etc that tend to have Amplified music or live music right or where people congregate you know um maybe within the areas south of 74th or along 74th Street if we're having that kind of a use in Mr attorney we can identify like a subset of uses when we when we go through the site plan process they've got to do some sort of a noise attenuation study or mitigation study and present to us how they're basically going to incorporate that music so that they can have the use but it's done in a way that minimizes the impact of the neighborhood and I think you know the neighbor I think you're talking to uh probably would understand that very well given that you know he is uh he works for that jurisdiction so I think that might that might I would ask invite you to ask him to that would help address his concern yeah no no I'm just curious if you know and again I just think the best example is Happy ones and I think we were saying what are they going to do outside we just that that's a great example 8:00 on a Thursday it's to too so that's it okay uh any further business uh that's been that remains open in front of us Madam city clerk just commission discussion you oh colleagues uh any any announcements that we want to make I do have one very quick one so um Our Lady of Lebanon is celebrating I think their 46th anniversary they have a Festival this weekend on Saturday and Sunday day um I was gifted uh a series of free entrances which I've left with our Deputy city manager anyone of the commission or staff would like to attend the festival we have like I think a total of 50 I took a couple for my family uh please feel free to Avail yourselves of them uh they've invited us to participate uh you're welcome to uh you're welcome to attend the festival happens again this Friday sorry this Saturday and Sunday um important congregation locate in the city of Miami but nonetheless they have reached out to kind of partner with us and so one on away yes yeah okay yep normae Abraham who's been involved with us here on some senior stuff um wanted to make sure to extend uh an invitation okay thank you any further announcements [Music] comments okay with that we stand adjourn thank you everyone e e e e e e