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Part 1 (Video ID: xFfPPk6gy9o):
- 00:01:47: South Miami City Commission Meeting Call to Order
- 00:03:20: Agenda Change: Public Remarks Before Presentations
- 00:04:36: Public Comment: Speed Humps Needed on 61st Street
- 00:09:13: Commissioner Update: Speed Hump Request Status
- 00:14:34: Public Comment: Resolution Number Five Discussion
- 00:15:06: Life-Saving Award: Officers Perez Leon and Alvarez
- 00:17:13: Landscape Architecture Month Proclamation 2026
- 00:21:15: Landscape Architects Requested For Design Review Boards
- 00:22:12: Recognition: South Miami Wildcats Flag Football Team
- 00:34:30: Cure Cystic Fibrosis Kickball Championship Presentation
- 00:42:39: Employee of the Quarter: Jesus 'Jay' Garcia
- 00:47:53: Septic to Sewer Grant Opportunity and Funding
- 01:01:48: Annual Comprehensive Financial Report Presentation
- 01:08:32: 62nd Avenue and 57th Avenue Project Discussion
- 01:10:45: Quasi Judicial Statement and Disclosures by Commission
- 01:17:51: Staff Presentation: 62nd Avenue Multifamily Project
- 01:36:32: Applicant Presentation: 62nd Avenue Project Details
- 01:53:42: Public Comments: Concerns Regarding 62nd Avenue Project
- 02:31:57: Assurances on Design: Traffic, Garages, and Waste Management
- 02:35:23: Open Space, Public Plazas, and Landscaping Plans
- 02:37:02: Building Height, Amenities, Location, and Form Discussion
- 02:40:35: Variance Request Rationale: Floor Plate Size and Justification
- 02:43:36: Public Comment: Med Square Comparison and Zoning Technicalities
- 02:45:31: Public Comment: Code Confusion and Clarification Appreciated
- 02:50:21: Colleagues Ask: Courtyard Inclusion in Lot Coverage?
- 02:51:10: Colleagues Ask: Facade Modification Tied to Development Agreement?
- 02:58:14: Applicant's Presentation: Overview and Goals of the Project
- 03:01:44: Ground Floor Plan, Accessibility, and Traffic Flow
- 03:03:23: Rendering Evolution, Garages, Screening Design
- 03:05:51: South Elevation, Landscape, and Screening Details
- 03:06:40: Three-Story Design, Community Outreach, and Job Creation
- 03:10:04: Tenant Relocation Assistance and Process Overview
- 03:13:53: Justifying the Variance and Text Amendments
- 03:15:32: Tree Preservation, Facade Improvements, Amenities, and Approvals
- 03:19:38: Colleagues Ask: Fenced-In Areas and Open/Close Times?
- 03:21:47: Colleagues Ask: Amenity Deck on Bottom Left Hand Side
- 03:23:50: Colleagues Ask: Job Fairs and Tree Allocation
- 03:30:14: Public Comment: Concerns Over Residential Impact, Size
- 03:35:54: Public Comment: Doesn't Fit the Blob of Mass, Questions About Meetings
- 03:41:01: Rebuttal: Defending Project Compatibility and Tenant Relocation Efforts
- 03:43:32: Colleagues Discuss: RTZ, Location, and Transitioning From Zoning
- 03:49:09: Colleagues Discuss: Zoning and Intensity of Building Massing
- 03:53:08: Colleagues Discuss: Live Local Mitigation and Possible Avenues


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You're on. >> Thank you. >> Good evening everyone and welcome. Today is Tuesday, April 21st, 2026. The time is approximately 7 p.m. We'll now call to order the city of South Miami City Commission meeting. Uh, Madame Clerk, if you could please call the role.

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>> Yes. Mayor Fernandez, >> present. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> present. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> here. >> Commissioner Bonish, >> here. here. Commissioner Cay >> here. >> We have a quorum. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. If I could ask the audience to please silence or turn off your cell phones. And if you could please also stand for a brief prayer uh

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followed by the pledge led by Commissioner Rodriguez. Dear Lord, grant me the grace to receive feedback with humble heart. When I'm corrected, keep me from becoming immediately defensive or prideful. Help me to discern the truth with crit within criticism and use it to refine my

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character and grow in wisdom. Protect me from bitter reactions to harshness and give me a teachable spirit that looks for the lessons you want me to learn in everything. Amen. >> Amen. >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. >> Please be seated. Thank you. Uh, madam clerk, I believe we have a number of presentations on tonight's agenda. Correct. >> Yes. >> If I could ask you to please call uh F3,

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please. >> F3, life saving award officer. >> Actually, I'm sorry. I'm going out of order. I apologize. >> We had agreed to do public remarks for I think at our last meeting. So, uh, breaking custom and, uh, I need to get used to it. I apologize. So, if we have

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the signing sheet for public remarks, again, if you've not signed up, you're still welcome to come up and sign up for public remarks. Uh, if you don't want to sign up, just make a line behind the podium and we'll recognize you in due course. And just you know for those of you who

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are here on a land use item uh we'll take up later in the agenda. You're also welcome to speak uh when we hear those items as well contemporaneously. >> Thank you. Okay. We got two names thus far. Uh Jose Pledo and uh David Landau. So Mr. Pledo, Mr. Landau, if you want to

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just come on up. >> Make a line. You're recognized, sir. >> Hello. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, manager, >> attorney. >> Good evening. Yeah. >> Can you hear me? >> We can now. Yes. Thank you. >> Good evening.

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>> Always first time to break the ice. >> No problem. >> Waiting for this day for a long time. And I've lived and had the pleasure of being in South Miami for 31 years. Awesome place. Um, my name is Jose Paleo and I live on uh

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Southwest 61st Street uh between 67th Avenue Lum and 50 and 65th Avenue right across the street from the South Miami Middle School. Seen the fireworks display for decades. The main reason I'm here is because um

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I'm representing my street which has 11 residences um 11 houses and um the main reason I'm here is because We clearly need speed humps for traffic control. At

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least two of them clearly marked. Uh Southwest 61st Street is a street that's right across the street from South Miami Middle School. Um recently, um because of the speed zone cameras, I've noticed

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and I've been there for a while. So I could be the study. Oh, by the way, I could be the study and save you a lot of money. I I'll charge zero. >> Thank you. We appreciate that. >> On the study and it's clearly marked. >> It's on the record. >> Yes. No, seriously, you need any long

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study or any or or charge any taxpayer one penny on the study. Zero charge. The speed bumps are needed because that 61st Street is a beautiful street, but uh it's a long street linear wise. And the speed cameras, what they're doing is the traffic, which is unfortunately kind of

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aggressive nowadays. Um, they cut through us during the speed zone to like, you know, a shortcut to go to cut through to get into Miller. So, they go fast. And, um, nowadays we also have I have my my iPad. I'm old school guy.

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Pencil in the air. >> I'm sorry. So, are they just to ask they're going there? So, they're going down 61st and then north up 65th. >> Yeah. And and the clerk was kind enough. That's fantastic. So, I was a little proactive >> and I'm being proactive because God forbid and it hasn't happened yet >> that we haven't had a tragedy. We've had

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pets killed by hit and run cars, you know, family pets that have been killed and we saw them over the years. We don't want children or We have a family on our street with elderly people that walk very slow, with middle school kids, with

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children, with pets. Okay? 61st Street has no sidewalks. It's dimly lit. It's a long launching pad. So, they cut through during school zones a launching pad to get into Miller. It's very, very It's back and forth. And it's not only

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non-resident drivers, but resident drivers and also the UPS, FedEx, Amazon, Uber Eatats, and then also now with the electric cars, you don't hear them anymore. Years ago, you'd hear the car and have a fighting chance to get out of the way. I wear neon green and orange to

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have a fighting chance and I'm pretty quick still. So, I'm just saying the electric cars, you can't hear them. The electric scooters, the electric bikes, there's no sidewalks. We have our middle school kids going up and down. We have elderly and we have streets, God bless them, in South Miami that have not one

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but two clearly marked speed humps with less linear feet nowhere near a school. So, we really desperately need one for decades. So, I'm being a little proactive. We don't want nothing bad to happen. We don't want nobody to get killed or get hurt. Um, and if you go down that street anytime 247 and I don't

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and as far as coming to the 4th of July, I've noticed that after the 4th of July or after an event, everybody always wants to rush out right fast. So they cut through also our street. Even though the people with chairs and everything are walking, they're blasting through the street to get out of that get out of get out of there. So, what I'm saying is

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they're going very fast up and down. And we clearly need a traffic control on 61st Street Southwest. Um, two speed humps clearly marked would be a proactive lifesaver for everybody. Pets, animals, everybody. >> So, let me see if I went through my

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notes really quick. Traffic I told you about the nowadays you can't hear the cars. They really whiz by. >> We covered that. >> Oh, and then two speed humps. Oh, and last but not least, I've gone in the middle of the street to try to slow people down and I've screamed at them and what do I get? I get not one but two

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middle fingers. >> Yeah, >> they're not up. >> So, let's give them two speed humps. >> Okay. >> Excellent close. >> I think I think we've got an update from Commissioner Rodriguez. You want to add something? >> Thank you, guys. >> Appreciate it. >> So, we we have we I have a request of you. >> Yeah, please.

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>> So, just to give you an update, we're neighbors. Um >> Oh, awesome. >> Yeah. I I I we met when when I was walking. Um I submitted so everything every time we we we need we request a speed hump we requested to our public

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works and then our public works has to go to day county for approvals because uh day county is basically in charge of all approvals for anyote which is movement of traffic or any calming devices. Okay. >> So we're basically at their beck and call of when they approve or disapprove.

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So, just giving you an update. Over a year ago, I already submitted through public works for 6. So, your street turns into my street, 64. >> Yeah. >> So, I turn right. >> That's the shortcut to to Miller. >> So, right now, from Miller to the turn, there's nothing. And everybody walks

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their dogs through 59th. So, you know, 65th has the stop signs. Uh, Twin Lake Drive has the the speed table, which I had adjusted to make it a little bit more bumpy. So right now the request was put in to put on 64th because it's the

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long straightaway from Miller all the way to the curb and there's six homes with kids on them and I know you live uh I know where you live too you have the kids in front of you and all that. >> So right now imagine it's taken a year. I got on a Zoom call with the head of

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transportation there. I got in an argument with him because initially I just wanted a four-way stop. So, what we're doing now is, and the public works director's here, he knows better than where we're at right now. We were

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approved for a speed hump on 64th. And then we'll have to make a request to see if they will do it further down because the problem becomes when you reach 65th and 64th, that becomes 61. You have the stop sign there. You have the four-way stop.

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>> So, what they're saying Yeah. So what they're saying is that sometimes so they're saying the distance between 65th to 67th isn't a long enough span for again this is not us. If it were up to us there'd be speed hubs on every street

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in in our city because it we're a cutthrough city. Trust me you're you're so >> but we have a fighting chance. Excuse me with all due respect. We have a fighting chance because we're right next to a middle school. We have no sidewalks. I it's just we have the speed camera right there. a long linear footage. So,

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it's a lot a lot of, you know, check the box pros. I mean, we need a speed bumper. I've been doing this for I mean, I went to public works decades decades ago. It's the same thing. You know, I'm being proactive because God forbid something bad happens. >> Understood. I'm on your team. I'm on

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your side. Trust me, I know. I I I my son rides bike through there all the time. You've probably seen him ride. >> What we'll have to do now is just we'll have to see and an update. I don't know if we can update our request, see where we are or or do a new request to include

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61st the the 61st part. >> So, we'll I'll work with the the public works director to see if we can do that. Um the county will have to do their traffic study and all that. I know you say that you do it, but they'll they'll have to do it. But >> but whatever you get from me, if you

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know, signatures, whatever, old school, whatever, >> that would be our request because >> whatever. It's just logical, man. Yeah, it's I mean I god forbid I've been there and like oh my goodness my pets are you know people elderly people like walk you know really slow with >> and by the way just so you know

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>> Commissioner Bonich also lives on the on on 64th too on the other side of 59th. So she lives on beautiful on the north side of 59th. I live on the on the south side of 59th. So we see the cars passing by. Trust me, we're on it. We're on it as far as trying to get speed bumps

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there. Um, so I'll keep you updated and let you know, but we'll have to update our our application or or we'll put in a new application >> and you guys know best. You know, you're the it's your wheelhouse. You're the gurus, but you know, no sidewalks, the middle school, you know, so many pluses, you know, the camera. It's just like I

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think we have a fighting chance now. Because I think the only thing the only thing we'll ask the view to wrap up is because we've had this experience too many times at least four of us over the last three and a half years >> is we often we used to spend money on studies before consulting with the public that was affected.

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>> Uh unfortunately we have to do that. We've procured technology to kind of test whether we'll meet the county's threshold. So we'll do that. We'll get Mr. Moses to follow up with you. But it would be helpful if you could collect signatures from your neighbors. >> Of course, >> because we don't want to go through this process, spend money, and then have a

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neighbors object to having the speed humps installed, which by the way, you laugh, but it has happened. You're >> right. >> Has happened many times before. >> I will do that. >> I I would just say also because you get the signatures to approve the speed bump, but you should also get it saying that they speed homes. >> Yeah. That they'd be okay with having it in front of their house because that

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will stop the project if somebody says they don't want it in front of their house, even if the entire street wants it. Will they be on on the property line? You know what I'm saying? Like in >> it it doesn't matter where it is. If if it's if it touches there I don't want to have any we got to wrap the conversation guys I'll leave on the scene. But I

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think if you could help us >> of course >> in collecting signatures hopefully all 11 homes on the street are okay with it. That's the ideal situation because again if we have an objector unfortunately we are powerless to we we I guess we can't override them technically via the interlocal. >> We have we have to have a public hearing

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to do that >> ASAP. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you so much for your >> appreciate appreciate you for coming. >> Okay. Uh, Mr. Landau, good evening. >> I really came in to talk about uh resolution number five and misunderstood

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the instructions. >> No, no problem. You're welcome to sit. We're going to call that item up shortly and then we'll let you speak at that time. Thank you. Is there anyone else who'd like to address this commission in public remarks? >> Okay, seeing no one in the chamber, madam clerk, is there anyone online? Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand.

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>> Okay, we'll go ahead and close public remarks. If we miss anyone, we'll come back to them. Okay, let's try to quickly run through these presentations. If you can call F3, please. >> F3, life-saving award. Officer and Officer Perez beyond Chief Hatfield. >> Chief Hatfield, you're recognized, sir.

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Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, city manager, and members of our community. Tonight, it's my honor to recognize two officers whose actions embody the very best of the South Miami Police Department and our commitment to protecting life. On April 18th, 2026,

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Officer Alejandro Perez Leon and Officer Rosio Alvarez responded to a call involving an unresponsive individual in medical distress. Upon arrival, they quickly assessed the situation and recognized the severity of the individual's condition. The individual

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was in labored breathing and without hesitation, the officers immediately began life-saving measures, including the administration of Narcan and other emergency aids as they awaited fire rescue. In those critical moments, their training, their teamwork, and their ability to stay calm under pressure made

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all the difference. Because of their actions, the individual was given a second chance at life. What makes this recognition even more meaningful is that both of these officers are among our newer members. Having joined the department in 2025, in a short time,

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they've already demonstrated the professionalism, courage, and commitment that we strive to instill in every member of this organization. Policing is not just enforcement. It's service. It's compassion. And it's the willingness to step forward when someone needs the help the most. On behalf of

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the South Miami Police Department, I want to commend you both for your actions, your dedication, and your pride to bring you bring to this department. Congratulations and thank you for your service. >> Commissioners, do you want to get a photo opportunity? >> That'd be great. I'm gonna I'm gonna

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stand back here. I understand. We'll make room for you in the picture. Okay. >> No, no, thank >> Oh, yeah. That's true. I forgot your shirt. All right, guys. Okay, madam clerk, if you can read item

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F6, please. >> F6, proclamation request, landscape architecture month, April 2026. >> Great. Thank you. I'm going to recognize Vice Mayor Cory on this item. Sir, you're recognized. >> Thank you. Uh, this is a a proclamation. Whereas landscape architecture involves

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the planning, design and stewardship of natural and built environments to create healthy, safe and resilient communities. Okay. Whereas April 1st, 2026 is recognized as professional landscape architecture day,

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honoring licensed professionals whose STEM expertise supports infrastructure and quality of life in South Miami. And landscape architecture month highlights the profession's impact on parks, streetscapes, campuses, and public

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spaces across all communities. And as the nation approaches America 250, landscape architects continue to shape and preserve places that reflect our heritage and serve future generations. and licensed landscape architects

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protect public health, safety, and welfare through responsible design of outdoor environments, including green infrastructure and complex systems. And these professionals play a vital role in addressing climate change through sustainable design that restores

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ecosystems and reduces long-term public costs. and the profession strengthens South Miami's economy through education, tourism, and development supported by accredited programs in Florida. Now therefore, I, Javier Fernandez,

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mayor, along with my colleagues in the city commission, Vice Mayor Brian Corey, Commissioner Le Lisa Bonich, Steve Cayle, and Danny Rodriguez to hereby proclaim to observe April 2026 as

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landscape architecture month. >> Thank you, uh, Mr. Vice Mayor for reading that with such intensity. >> No problem. >> Um, Mr. B, you're recognized if you can. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Good evening. Good evening. Thank you. Um my name is Suberby. I'm a landscape architect. We were major Hamil Gables

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and um also represent ASLA which is the American Society of Landscape Architects uh in Miami as a session chair. And I want to say thank you for the recognition and we appreciate that. >> Thank you so much. And we're lucky to have very talented landscape architects living amongst us here in South Miami,

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including those helping us at Curtis and Rogers with our uh our current uh landscape master plan. So that's Ecape. Thank you very much. We'll take a picture. I'll stand in the back again. My apologies for not coming down. >> One of the things that we continue to do

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in the city is have more ability and and landscape architects to help us protect and and do better with our neighborhoods as in trees and landscaping and all that. Since you represent an association that does all that, is there any way that we can get some of those people to kind of join some of our design review

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boards, some of our, you know, volunteer boards to really to to do more with the city? Would that be something that you can help us connect with? Okay, perfect. Thank you. >> Thank you. Yes. If you could help us advertise the openings, that would be great. Thank you so much.

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Uhoh. John. Okay. Are South Miami Wildcats ready? >> Yep. Come on up. So, uh we're going to have an impromptu recognition of uh one of our local schools championship uh girls flag football team. Ladies, come

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on up. Give him a round of applause. In the house. >> Okay. Hey, who's who's the team captain? You are. You're on the mic, young lady. What's your name? Give us your name and address for the record, please. >> Kayla Tumont. >> Kayla Tumont. You are

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>> the quarterback of South Miami Wildats >> and the captain. Now, you're not just the South Miami Wildcats. You're the South Miami two-time >> champion. There you go. There you go. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> And what what grade are you in, young lady? What grade are you in?

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>> Eighth grade. >> Awesome. And and who's with you? Who are your teammates with you? Can you can you run us through? Yeah. Run us through your name and your position, please. So, >> my name Jalia Brown. Um, my position is a running back. >> Awesome. And you're an eighth grader as

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well? >> Seventh. >> Seven. Awesome. Okay, great. So, she'll be back next year. Come on up. >> My name is Jada Norwood and I'm an eighth grader and my position is blocker. >> Awesome. Congrats. >> My name is Annayia Johnson and I'm in

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eighth grade and I'm a rusher. >> Awesome. >> My name is Fire Hodgees. I'm in eighth grade and I'm a middle linebacker. >> Fantastic. Fire. I love it. There you go. >> My name is Meen Marcia and I'm a blocker. >> Awesome.

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>> My name is Isabella Bora. I'm in seventh grade and I'm a receiver. >> There we go. >> My name is Olivia Williams. I'm in seventh grade and I'm a corner. >> There you go. My name is Jay Williams. I'm in the

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seventh grade and I'm a running back. >> My name is Jade Byron. I'm in sixth grade and my and I'm a middle linebacker. A >> sixth grader. There you go. >> My name is Camila Rivas. I'm in eighth grade. I'm a rusher.

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>> Coaches, come on up. >> Gentlemen, introduce yourselves again. There you go. >> Camila wore last year's shirt to show that she was on both team. last year and this year >> as were quite a few other kids and we're missing some. Let me get this thing up here. >> There you go.

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>> Um but uh I am uh as a teacher I'm the designated head coach, but I'm mainly the water boy and um I think most of you know the coach is right behind me and he's going to talk to you guys. And I would like to say that uh it was it was my duty to >> By the way, we know who you are, but can

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you for for those who may be watching at home, >> my name's I'm a Trouy. No, that's that's hard to >> but I'm not going to tell you which one just in case. >> No, I'm Nick Trouy and I'm I'm the teacher at South Miami High School.

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But they called me and said to get this certifiably correct with the right team because Obie retired. What are you doing retiring Obie? Come on, man. You got to work till the last day, man. But um I said I'd come over and it's been nothing but great for me and we had talked about

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that. But I also, before I let Obie talk about everybody here, it's been great being back uh with the community and with these kids. And um and I will also say the city of South Miami came through. We didn't really have a field.

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We were one of the schools that did have a field. There's a lot of middle schools that don't have anywhere to play. And uh so we got all home games this year, but that helped. >> That's how we like it. And you guys came through for us. Uh, Mr. Tyson behind us

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came through. Arando on the field came through as long as we picked up the cones. But, uh, but, um, and city of South Miami mayor and and commission came through for us. So, we appreciate that. And, uh, here's Coach

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Obie. Well, let's see. I'm 60 and I was a grade ahead of him in South Middle School High School. So, and he started coaching I think the week after he graduated. John for like 40 something years. >> Coach, >> thank you, Nick.

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>> Good evening, sir. >> Hello. Uh, I really appreciate uh the city of South Miami and the congregation for uh inviting these young ladies up. We we were invited last year, but you know, I get so involved with I have

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tackle football going on right now. I just came from the field with my tackle football team and I told them I got to go. I got an engagement with the girls, >> you know. I mean, these girls are very special. I've been coaching flag now for five years and uh I love it. I love

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coaching them more than I do the boys. I hope no boys not in here. But it's been a good ride. You know, we went undefeated two years in a row last year, this year. And uh they haven't been scored on in two years. Wow. Wow.

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>> Two years. And and uh it's not all of them. We're missing about six or seven girls cuz a lot of them had other engagements. Uh a couple girls are trying out for cheerleaders and you know and stuff like

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that. But uh I I really want to say thanks to the mayor. He came through for us. You know, every time I ask him for help, he gives us help. I called him and I said, "Man, we need the fear mark." And uh he told me, "Hold on a second." And uh when I looked at my phone in 10

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seconds, I was getting emails like >> that's that's the manager in John touch. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was getting emails telling me how much do we need this and that. >> But like I said, these girls are very special and I hope when they go to high school, whatever high school they go to,

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you know, they're going to accomplish a lot of things. And like I told them, the best thing to do is just be humble. If you be humble in life, you're going to make it. Nobody likes to show off. You know, every game that that we do win, the only thing I let them do at the end

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of the game after we shake hands, everybody want to do flips cuz all of them can flip. And uh I told them that I could flip also. Y'all want to see me do it right now? >> There you go. Yeah. >> And they know what my flip is. I I I run

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a couple steps and I stop. But like I say, uh it's been a good ride and I appreciate the parents for letting me coach them. And I really appreciate Mr. Trouy because I retired from the school board two years ago. And uh they was giving me a hard time because it's like

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they didn't want me coaching a girl. They saying that, you know, you got to be employee and this and that. And I said, "Okay." I said if if I got the coach from the uh parking lot, I'll do that. I had done told my quarterback. Kayla knows she got the plays wrote

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down. I told her I'll just give a hand signals of what to do. But everything played out okay. They stopped giving me a hard time. And you know, Trouy came in and stepped in cuz he still works for the school board. And I mean, we had fun. These girls are really fun.

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>> Oh, Money's here. >> Yeah. >> Come here, Money. Come on up. Introduce yourself. Please >> tell them who you are. >> My name is Ronnie Crawford and I play routce, running back, and corner. And I'm in eighth grade.

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>> Awesome. Congratulations. >> Anybody want to say? >> I mean, she's very she she's >> she seems like she's a multi multi-purpose talent. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if I need somebody to score, you know, everybody know who we we're going to go to, you

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know, we're going to go to her. And I and I mean, she's come through. She comes through, man. She's very exceptional. She runs track. >> She runs the hurdles. She can do a lot, you know. >> She's holding down the classroom, right? >> Yeah. And uh then I need a Adena Trouy.

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She's not here. She sits about 5' 11. And all I do is just tell her to go for the go routes. And you know, but like I say, I'm not going to hold you guys up because I know this could be a long night. >> Hopefully not. >> Uh you know, uh now I'm going to put

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them in another league that they're going to play in. You know, a lot of the girls didn't get to play a lot. They're going to start it out. You know, they're going to start it out. And hopefully next year, uh I can go back. I'mma do what I got to do to get certified and,

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you know, go back and coach the other girls. And uh just like I was saying, I really appreciate what you guys did for these kids. And uh come out to the Grigos. This my 44th year coaching the South Mos. >> Coach, registration still open.

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>> Is registration still open for uh the upcoming season or is it closed already? >> The GGO? >> Yes, sir. >> Yes. Yes, >> it's still open. Okay, >> it just started. >> Okay, fantastic. That's what I thought, but just want to make sure people know they can still watch. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Registration just started. >> Fantastic. >> Okay. If you guys got any 11y old kids,

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send them to me. >> Huh? >> Beautiful. >> Okay. >> There you go. We need girls and boys. And you know, again, ladies, we were happy to have you down here. We want to make sure we honor you because we've had some success on the on the guys side. You know, we had a Heisman Trophy winners to play on that field. Uh be

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recognized early this year. You guys also bringing a lot of positive recognition to Southland. We're grateful for you. Keep up the good work and the continued success next season. Commissioner Rodriguez, what do you want to So, uh, Coach Obie, you know, you know, 44 years, that's a that's a long

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time. So, it isn't easy coaching kids. Trust me, I do it, too. I coach basketball at the at Gibson, and, >> you know, I don't know how you've done it for so long. Uh, >> I mean, I'm coaching kids now. >> Yeah, man. That's that's crazy. So, thank you for what you're doing and for giving back to the community because it

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really is you're setting a foundation for these kids. Um, so that's Thank you for that. Now, the girls, have you How do you like your poster up at Gibson? >> That banner? >> Yes. >> Huh? How do you like that? >> Yes. They have two banners up there. Uh

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>> uh what the guy did was the guy that put it up, he put it up by the football banners cuz those are my football banners. All my championship team. >> Uh you know, I mean, I won nine championships. >> All right. For tackle football. >> And uh the other ones the other two are

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>> for flag. And like I said, when he put it up, he put it up with a tackle football. So I saw Mr. uh what his name at public works. >> John, I saw John and I said, "John, can you do

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me a favor, please?" I said, "Could you have the guy to move the banner?" He said, "Where you put it?" I he said I said, "He put it over there with the tackle football players." Uh so he said, "Okay, I'll take care of it." Then the next day when I went in there, they had done switched it. And you know, I know

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John not in here, but I want I want to thank him also. >> So >> for taking care of that. >> So girls, you know, congratulations on on twotime champions. You know, now every time everybody walks into that basketball court and they'll see your faces and they'll see and they'll know

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that you girls won twice. So congratulations. You you're immortal in South Miami. >> All right. Okay. Y'all want to get a break? >> Let's take a picture. Get a break. Come on. >> Let's take a picture. Come on up.

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>> Oh man. >> Picture first. >> Break first. >> Picture first. Picture first. >> Picture first. >> Congrats, girls. >> Congratulations. >> Congrats.

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>> Hope you okay. There you go. Two times three. TWO TIMES THREE. >> 1 2 3. >> OKAY. Madam clerk, if you could read uh presentation item F1, please. >> F1. Cure CF kickball community

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championship presentation. Jerry Sarman. >> Jerry. Bonnie. Good evening. You're recognized. How are you? >> Good evening. >> Well, thank you for having us here this evening. I'm Bonnie Binker and this is Jerry Soerman from Cure Cystic Fibrosis

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Miami. And before we get started, mayor, how are you feeling? Uh, I'm uh happy to report I had surgery last Monday. Uh, >> I did I'm going to officially announce my retirement from kickball. I will be going to the tournament next year, but I

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probably will not be playing. >> You'll be coaching. >> I'll be coaching. So, I'll be helping uh Mr. Riverall on the sideline. But yes, it was a fun tournament notwithstanding that I ruptured two ligaments in my ankle. So, there we go. >> Well, and and you know, a few years ago, my husband did his whole hamstring and that was the end of his kickball career.

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>> Bonnie, the good news is the I stopped playing and we started winning. So, I guess it was meant to be. >> But we're here this evening to thank you all once again for supporting the Cure Cystic Fibrosis Miami kick CF with Bryant McKini and friends kickball

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tournaments. This was our 13th annual supporting the work of the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation and CureCF Miami. Um, for those of you in the audience who don't know what cystic fibrosis is, it is a genetic

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disease that can impact any of the organs in the body. Usually, when you think of cystic fibrosis, it is the lungs and the digestive system. Currently, there are 40,000 Americans in

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the United States with cystic fibrosis. My granddaughter Delaney, who is 15 years old, is one of them. Um, when she was born and diagnosed at 15 days old, we were told that there was a 50% chance

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she would live into her 30s. Um because of the amazing work of the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation and support from our friends like the city of South Miami, children born today um have an

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outlook to live possibly into their 60s because of the medication that is being developed. In addition to supporting the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation, CURCF Miami was founded to help families with people

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with cystic fibrosis. It is a very expensive disease to have, one of the most expensive. Um because there are so few people with cystic fibrosis, the drug and the treatments are very expensive.

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But also we are now experiencing more and more uh people in the CF community who are experiencing food insecurities. So that is where cure cystic fibrosis Miami is also being able to step in

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because the CF foundation can't. So, um, we're here tonight to again thank you for for helping us with our mission, but to also congratulate you all because once again, you have won the community

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cup. And for those of you who live in South Miami, congratulations to all of you because your fine city has gone up against City of Miami, Pomemetto Bay, Pinerest, and they have now won it one,

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two, three, four out of five years. So this will stay with you guys in city hall until you bring it back to us on March 13th, 2027. and then compete for it again.

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>> No, you >> Thank you, Bonnie. Not me, but that's okay. Commissioner Kay, did you want to add anything as kind of our deacto team captain with Mr. River? >> Uh, you know, with coach, look, the the what what's so great about this event, obviously for the cause, um, but for the city that understands, it really gets

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the the the team of the city of South Miami that we have people from police, public works, parks, commissioners, mayors across the board. Um, and it really shows the commodity this this city really has and it it resembles what

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we're doing. So, it's a really cool it's a really good cause, but more importantly, we have fun and it's a good time. So, thank you for having us. >> Thank you. And just to let you know, our next big fundraiser is actually in the city of South Miami at the Elks Club on >> September 19th.

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>> September 19th. >> Say it in the microphone. >> September 19th, we are having our >> Where can we find that information about the event? Well, we're gonna we're gonna bring you guys some stuff that we didn't have today. Oh, our website, sorry. Uh, curecfmiami.org.

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And it is a casino night where you turn in your chips for raffle tickets and great prizes. So, we will keep you all updated, but um, we're bringing it home here to South Miami. >> Before we take a picture, I just want to say Bonnie and Jerry. Bonnie, thank you

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for your advocacy. I mean, you travel to Tallahassee and Washington regularly to be an advocate for families with CF and it it it doesn't go unnoticed. Your dedication to the cause is is amazing and I'm very happy personally to know that your granddaughter is thriving. Um,

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and Jerry, I mean, watched you do this event before I was in elected office and I understand how much personal time you put into it to support a cause uh, and your goddaughter and, uh, there's a community, a world full of people who are very grateful to you for your sacrifice. So, thank you for what you're

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doing. Uh, it's a great day. It's a great way to spend time with uh, friends new and old. So, if you have not participed in the past, invite you to come out and experience the event notwithstanding the injury. Always have a good time. >> Always have a good time. But the only request I have, and I can say this now

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because Mayor Cunningham is terming out, and I didn't want to do it while she was in office, is that I would love to host the event at our park as a defending champion next year. So, if we can talk about a venue change, I don't know if my colleagues would be immunable. I think it'd be great to move the cup to a park

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of the defending community cup champion. Just a thought. >> Interesting. >> Anyhow, but thanks again. Appreciate it. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you for your kind words. Come on. You get the whole You get the whole trophy. Come on. Not this year. Not this year.

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Thank you guys. Congrats again. >> Thank you guys. Thanks for coming out. Okay, let's go to F2, please. >> F2, employee of the quarter for Q1 2026, Jesus Garcia. >> Thank you, Madam Deputy Manager.

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>> It's my pleasure to introduce you tonight to the employee of the quarter for Q1, Jesus, better known as Jay Garcia. Come on up. He's been with the city since 2022. He's a rec leader with our parks department. And if you've been to the community center, I'm sure that you have been

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greeted with a warm smile, which is what he's known for. Um, he was nominated by John Tyson. So, I'm going to invite John up to say a few words before we put you on the spot to say a few words as well. >> Good evening, everyone. Mayor, vice mayor, commission. This is an extremely

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proud moment for me. I can't think of someone more deserving than I'm gonna say Jay, but his real name is Jesus Garcia, but more formerly known as Jay. Um, he is the face of of the community center, especially in the morning time when people come in and and they are greeted by him and he has made

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meaningful connections up there. I mean, every single per I I have a running joke whenever Jay goes on vacation, people are like, "Where's Jay at?" Like, "What happened to him? Where's he at?" because that's the the type of impact that he has he has made on you know the patrons that come through the community center. So I'm extremely proud to have this

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department represented. Um I cannot think of someone more deserving than than Jay to to get this award. Um I'm extremely proud of you. I am so fortunate to have you on this team and hopefully um we can continue to have others exemplify the characteristics and

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the behaviors and the customer service that you employ at the uh the front desk every each and every day that you're there. So, thank you. You know how much you you mean to me. So, you >> Jay, floor is yours. >> I'm going to let you say a few words. >> There you go, Jay. Come on. Floor's yours.

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>> Believe it or not, I'm lost for words. >> No, I >> And that's he knows. >> True. I just want to thank John and and Manny Alvarez and James Null for giving me the opportunity to come in and and work at the community center. It's it's

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been a pleasure. It's been rewarding. Uh humble. Uh I I love coming to work. Not too many people can say that. I love coming to work. I do. I really do because I get to talk to different people. We talk about

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different things and it's to me it's it's rewarding the fact that we still can have one-on-one conversations with people and and hope that we can build on

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it and make it better. So, you know, I'm I'm out of words now. >> Thank you, Jay. We appreciate you. >> Congrats. Mr. Guy, you're recognized. >> I I just wanted to say a quick word. There's, you know, it's not every day

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that we all like to go to the gym. Sometimes I hate it. Um, but to go see you every morning. It makes me feel good because you put a smile on my face, you talk to me, you have a coffee with me. It's It's really We're blessed that you're there. You're the man. You're the

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go. Let's go, man. You're awesome. That's true. >> I did just want to chime in. The the our adult basketball group uh found out about it. They come in the mornings a group of guys and I know someone's here on his behalf, but they couldn't be more thrilled to see Jay receive this award

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and they all share their sentiment as well. So, >> thank you for coming. There you go. Hey, congrats again. >> What you reckon over there? What do you reckon over there? >> Not all can catch it backwards.

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Madam clerk, can we go to F4, please? >> It's F4. Septic to sew grant opportunity. Erica Bernie. >> Mr. Ed, you're recognized. Good evening. >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners, Mr. Manager, city attorneys.

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Okay, we're ready. Go ahead. >> So, I'm here tonight to share some information about a grant opportunity that the staff has been exploring to help our residents with their septic to sewer conversions. So, let's start with our septic to sewer conversion progress.

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>> Can we go back a slide? Thank you. >> Great. So phase one of the city's septic to sewer conversion is nearing completion and residents will soon be able to connect to the newly installed system. While abudding property owners are typically required to connect to municipal sewer within 90 days of

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availability, the city worked with the Miami Dade County Environmental Quality Control Board, also known as the EQCB, to secure a 5-year extension for our residents. So tonight I'm here to talk about the EPA's 319H non-point source grant

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program. What is this program? It provides funding to states to address non-point source pollution. So, examples include runoff from agriculture, storm water, and urban water pollution. Included is septic to sewer pollution due to corroded and aging septic

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systems. To our knowledge, and we've done considerable due diligence, this is the only non-loan funding either at the state or federal level that can be used for improvements on private property. If awarded, this grant will directly

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benefit residents by easing the cost burden of converting from septic to sewer. Based on historical cycles, the tentative application deadline is July 2026. Now, given government shutdowns, we do anticipate that being delayed

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and we've had a bit of help from another county. So Martin Countyy's 319H grant implementation as a roadmap. The execution of this program as designed by Martin County has been approved by the EPA and the state of Florida and has received multiple rounds

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of funding. So what does the coordination require with this road map? The execution as designed by Martin County and approved by the state requires coordination between three parties. First is a city selected plumber as the doer. Next is the city as program

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administrator and the third is the homeowner as beneficiary. So I'd like to present a funding scenario example. The city applies and is awarded a $500,000 grant and 50 homes are ready for connection. Again, this is just an

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example. The applications have not opened. We have not received a notice of funding availability. So, we do not know how much funding is available or how many projects will be accepted. But for in the case of this example,

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let's go with a $500,000 grant. In the case that 50 homes are ready for connection, the maximum assistance per home would be $10,000. So, the total grant divided by 50. This is inclusive of plumber and possible third party administrative costs. So, let's see a

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concrete example. Home A. Home A is ready to connect to municipal sewer. The city receives an estimate from the city selected plumber for $13,000. The second step would be for the city to build a property owner $3,000, which the

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owner then pays. Third, the work would be completed by the plumber. The city would confirm that the work has been completed, and then the city would pay the plumber the entire amount of $13,000. And the last step would be for the city to seek reimbursement for the granter

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for $10,000. And that final math leaves a cost of zero dollars to the city. So next, I don't want to overwhelm the commission and mayor, vice mayor with this workflow, but these are just very

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uh comprehensive steps to how this uh grant would be implemented with our city staff. I'm going to run through it very quickly and happy to come back to it if there are specific questions. First, the city applies for and is awarded the grant. Next, recruiter would issue a request

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for proposals for designated plumbing contractors and establish a cost per linear for for connections. Public works would select the plumber and adopt the approved linear foot cost. Public Works would obtain GIS files for each eligible property to identify the

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location of the home's sewer connection. The homeowner would contact public works to express interest in connecting. Public works staff or the plumber would visit the site to confirm the linear footage and calculate the cost based on the approved rate.

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The homeowner would be provided with a quote indicating their required contribution minus the amount the city expects to be reimbursed by the state. The homeowner would submit payment to the city and finance would confirm receipt. The city selected plumber would

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complete the work. Public works would confirm the work is complete and finance would submit the reimbursement request to the state for the portion not collected uh by the homeowner. Last finance or record and process this

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reimbursement from the state once received. So, I'd like to talk a little bit about some alternative funding mechanisms apart from this 319H grant that would help to ease the cost burden for residents connecting from septic to

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sewer. Just as a PSA, a caveat, and I'd like to draw uh the audience's attention to this and the commission, mayor, vice mayor, residents must apply to the following programs directly, unlike the 319H program that I've been talking about

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before. The city cannot apply on their behalf, placing the administrative burden on the resident. The first program I'd like to talk about is the PACE, the property assess clean energy program. It's a loan that provides long-term fixed financing

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repaid through a nonadvalorum assessment on the property tax bill. So, this obligation is tied to the property, not the individual borrower, and may transfer upon sale. for septic to sewer conversions and septic to sewer has been a newly

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included category in the last six months. PACE loans can cover up to 100% of eligible project costs including connection fees, abandonment of the septic system, and related infrastructure improvements. Another program through the Miami Dade

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Water and Sewer Department's septic to sewer financial assistance program. Eligible homeowners can receive up to $15,000 in grants, zero or no interest loans to convert from septic to sewer. These are generally based on home income

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limits. So I'd like to take a look at these uh programs through the county. So subject to financial assistance program. I've included a QR code so that the audience or anyone accessing the PDF in the future can quickly go to this page and

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they would navigate how to apply right there. And the steps include completing the application form online and providing uh necessary documents related to household income and tax information.

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Thank you. Colleagues, any questions of Erica? Sorry, Miss Renee. Apologies. No. >> Yes, sir. You're recognized. >> Thank you. Um, what did Martin County receive? funding wise. Sorry,

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>> I'll defer to our finance director. >> They have gone through three rounds of funding. They applied the first time and I don't recall exactly the amounts, but I think there were about 500 on the first and I think the second round was a little bit more and the third as well because they >> 500,000 and then more and then more.

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>> Now the question is how many homes did they have as part of the the submitt? I don't recall. >> Okay. And the grant is there a fund like is there an amount total for the whole grant process? >> Yes. Unfortunately, they haven't come out with that funding. How much is going

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to be available? >> Thank you. >> Yes. >> So, we're still in the waiting period. But I can add that based on historical trends, the typical amount of funding for any given agency has been between 300 and $500,000 irrespective of number of homes >> and statewide funding was I think you

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shared with me5 to $6 million annually >> about $3 million allocated to programs. >> Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. >> Um further questions? >> Uh do do we need to do anything with with this? I think we need to >> do do you need direction as to whether we want to apply or not? Yeah, I mean I

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we given that the city would would invest you know administrative sweat equity in time. Um and there could be some other issues that we are now you know between a plumber and a homeowner if something were to happen. So just want to bring this to your attention if there's a from a public policy

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standpoint that we would assist the residents uh get get your direction that that you think it's a good approach certainly we'd be happy to it. This is a moving target. Obviously our initial phase is 46 homes. We are we have the 56 homes that were notified as of late that

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there was a line that was established could be 15 years ago and they needed to connect separate process that we're pursuing to help them get an extension possibly. So there could be other homes that uh may want to apply. So we would have to be creative on how we notify those residents um of that opportunity

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and maybe come up with a figure uh ahead of time because it's not like we have a fixed number of homes and then we can divide the number easily by that. it may be sort of an evolving program. So, um yes, if there's an interest and we get your direction to pursue, we would certainly would would apply upon the

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application being open in a couple months uh month and a half maybe or we don't know. >> We don't know exactly. >> Yeah, Mr. Man, I from my from my two cents, I think it would be I think we talked about this at the beginning. was a way for us to basically help residents avoid having to permit their own lateral

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connection and uh save them the difficulty of coordinating the work of a contractor. So, I'm I'm a fan of the idea. I don't know that for me personally since I'm one of the one of the first homes where it's going to work from a timing perspective. Uh one question I did have is can these programs work together? So, for example,

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if you're a homeowner who wants to receive the grant, uh, but wants to, you know, the $3,000 or $5,000 is still a substantial capital outlay. Can they can that that also that balance be financed through the uh low interest or no

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interest loan program uh at the county or with the PACE loan? >> You're talking about combining >> combining? Yeah. So, can we combine 319? Is it 319H? >> Yes. with any of the other programs to see if we can help them bridge that gap. I mean, I have neighbors that are retiring on fixed income, an extra

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$5,000, maybe on a PA loan, they can make it work, but it's still that's not at a terribly low interest rate. >> I haven't seen requirements that would negate that stacking, but I can certainly do due diligence and have an affirmative answer. >> Maybe Martin County has an answer to that question because I'm sure they've

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got a water and sew utility that probably may provide similar financing to to consumers. >> Well, I mean, there There certainly could be a gap once we establish uh an amount that we think we would allocate per per household. So, let's just pretend it's $15,000 lateral implementation and and we're

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offsetting 5,000. Certainly, they could apply to the county to offset some of that other uh funding. >> Yeah. Just again in terms of making it simple for people. So, these things are coordinated and they dove tail. Again, apply it's it's just the daunting part is applying. You know, I'm talking to my neighbors. We're working together to get

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quotes >> for the lateral connections. try to leverage some buying power, have three or four of us do it with one contractor. It's not easy. Uh and people, you know, we we had that experience this very jumped in and put together an EQCB application for everyone who got a

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notice to connect with now that now that's feasible within feasible distance. You know, that's very daunting to a lot of folks. So, if we can figure out a way maybe to dovetail the grant, which is incredibly valuable to a lot of people who don't have who may have invested in upgrading their septic system and want to advertise it a little

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bit longer or who aren't as pressed to connect as some of my neighbors are because they've got failing systems. Uh, if we can connect to help them cover that shortfall somehow, it would be fantastic if it's if it's possible. If a resident has their own contractor they wish to use, obviously the 319, you

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know, would work, right? So they would take advantage of some other program. >> Um and and so I think we would uh decide what we would allocate per household and then put it all in one letter and document that we would get to each homeowner so they would understand and

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certainly if we can link these programs in any way, we'll get creative. >> Appreciate that. I I'm I'm a fan. I don't know colleagues if you guys would recommend we proceed. Okay. I think so. The general objection is yes. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much for doing the research. We appreciate it. >> Okay. Let's uh move to uh item F5,

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please. >> F5 annual comprehensive financial report ACFR. Alex August from Centin Cubberman. >> Thank you. Good evening, sir. No intro for Mr. River, huh? He's just leaving you to your own devices.

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>> No. No. Okay. So, you're recognized. Good evening. >> I would like to introduce um Alex About from us. He's our auditor. He is this is a first year audit um that he worked diligently and I appreciate his team and

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the work that he put into this. So, um as required by the state of Florida, he will be presenting uh your uh annual financial comprehensive report. >> Mr. Goosey, you're recognized. Good evening. We will be kind to you. We will be cruel to Mr. River. I appreciate

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that. I appreciate it. Uh good evening, honorable mayor, vice mayor, city commission, uh city manager, city attorneys. Um thank you for the introduction, Alfredo, and I'm here to present your uh two 2025 annual

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comprehensive financial report. So, um I have a paper copy here with me. I'm not sure if you all have a PDF to follow follow along with me, but uh I will be brief. Um the first page I'd like to highlight um

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it it's page one of the document you know but it's several pages down into the document and that's our independent auditors report. On that report you'll see that we have issued what is known as an unmodified opinion or a clean opinion. This is the only opinion you

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want to be associated with. This means that when we came as auditors and asked our thousands of questions, tons of um requests for documents, um your your team, your staff answered the call, every records were in place. So um I

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think that's to be congratulated. Congratulations on another clean opinion for the city of South Miami. Um I'll next turn to page four of the document. Um this is what's known as the management discussion and analysis. If

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you cannot read this entire 13 page report, I would suggest you read these 12 pages. Um, these pages were were mainly written by your your management and it discusses it gives you context on what happened throughout the

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year. So, um, if you have any sort of questions on what went up, what went down and why, um, they're answered right here in the management discussion and analysis page. Next, I'll turn our attention to um the

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actual financial statement. So, your balance sheet, your income statement for the city. Um I would like to point out for the the general fund, which is your operating fund, you you reported a $16.5 million fund balance. Of that fund

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balance, 9.2 million is unassigned and available for future use. Very healthy position for a city of this size. Um, I'll then turn to the what's the income statement of the general fund and

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the general fund's fund balance in fiscal year 2025 decreased by 3 million. Um, much of uh that is related to a transfer to capital improvement to to perform capital improvements throughout the year. Uh, next I will turn to what's known as

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the notes to the financial statements. These supplement the financial statement. These provide tons of context on the numbers within uh the balance sheet and the income statement. If uh you're trying to fall asleep tonight and you you want to take a read for these, I

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think I think they'll do the trick. >> Um next, I will turn to um the our independent auditors report for your single audit. So, in fiscal year 2025, the city was subject to what

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is known as a federal and state single audit. What triggered that is you spent uh over a million dollars in federal funding and over $750,000 in state funding. That requires uh an additional audit to be performed, which

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is also known as a compliance audit. And it basically um our task is to determine if you spent the money um on if you if you spent the money on applicable applicable expenditures for that grant. Did you spend it properly? And I'm proud

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to say that we found no findings, no issues, no compliance issues when we uh performed our audit work on that spending. So again, congratulations. Um throughout the audit, uh the audit standards requires me to disclose to you

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all those of governance if we were to have uh discovered any disagreements with management. If we were to have found any un unfounded accounting positions, if we had any difficulties performing this audit, I'm proud to say we had no difficulties to perform this

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audit. No disagreements with management. We found no unfounded accounting positions. There were no compliance issues, no material weaknesses, no findings. Um, again, I just want to say congratulations to this body, um, to the leadership, to Alfredo, Jacqueline,

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Jackie, and her team for all their hard work. Like I said, we asked too many questions and everyone was answered timely and um, and um, appropriately. So, um, with that, I just that concludes my

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presentation. If you all have any questions, I'd be happy to take them. >> Thank you. Uh, Mr. Mayor, did you want to add anything or are you good >> before we open for questions? >> Oh, Mayor, I no, other than than obviously there's a lot of work that

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goes uh on throughout the year. And I mean, who knows? God knows how many transactions and things that that go on that uh so the ability to have a finance department, you know, come out with a clean audit is incredibly meaningful given the number of events, if you will, or transactions that have to occur

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throughout. So, I certainly appreciate the work of the finance department and the oversight of budget and finance and this commission and certainly um having you come and say what you're saying is is is is important to to a city from a transparency, accountability, and trust. We appreciate it.

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>> Thank you, sir. Colleagues, questions. No questions. Okay. Thank you for your great work. We appreciate the report. >> It's an honor to work for the city of S. Thank you. >> Thanks so much. >> Y >> Okay. Uh I believe that concludes reports. I'd just like to ask members of the audience by a quick show of hands.

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We have a few more people here than typical. How many of you are here for the 62nd Avenue project? If you could raise your hands. One, two. Then how many folks are here for the project on 57th Avenue? If you could raise your hands. Okay. So colleagues, uh I was just going

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to suggest that we take the agenda out of order since we have people waiting here for a bit and uh take up those two items first. Uh I believe um the it the item on 62 is items four and five. >> And then subsection is 6,7 and 8. Is there one that we would want to start

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with? >> 62nd Avenue. Okay. So, let's take up uh items four and five. Madame clerk, if you can read those into the record and then we'll recognize the city attorney for the appropriate um appropriate warnings. Thank you. Item four, a resolution of the mayor

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city commission of the city of South Florida approving or denying a large scale development special exception application pursuant to a section 20-8.7 of the city of Southland development code for the 75 dwelling unit multif family residential project on the 0.802

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802 acre development site located at 6914 Southwest 62nd Avenue, 6230 and 6240 Southwest 69th Street and 6931 Southwest 62nd Court.

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>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, Madam City attorney, do you want to can we read both items? We can we can hear them together, can we? >> Okay. Item five, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Mor approving nor denying a development agreement with the South Miami Reners LLC for the 75 dwelling unit multif family residential large

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scale development project on the 0.802 802 acre development site located at 6914 Southwest 62nd Avenue, 6230 and 6240 Southwest 69th Street and 6931 Southwest 62nd Court pursuant to section

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20-8.7 of the city of South Mland Development Code. >> Thank you so much. And so, Madam Attorney, can we get the requisite disclosures, please? >> Yes. Thank you. Uh, we're going to be reading one quasi judicial statement tonight for items four and five, which the clerk just read. and also items six, seven, and eight later in the agenda.

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>> Okay. >> Items number four and five on this evening's commission agenda. Seek approval of companion items for a multifamily residential development proposal by a subsidiary of the estate companies for a property located at 6914

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Southwest 62nd Avenue, 6230, and 6240 Southwest 69th Street and 6931 Southwest 62nd Court. Item number four is a resolution seeking approval of a large-scale development special exception under section 20-8.7

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of the city's land development code. And item number five seeks approval of a corresponding development agreement for the project. Items six, seven, and eight on this evening's agenda seek approval of companion items for student housing development proposed by subtext

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acquisitions for the properties located at 6404 and 6504 Red Road Southwest 57th Avenue. Item number seven is a resolution seeking approval of a large-scale development special exception under section 20-8.7 of the city's LDR. Item

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number six seeks approval of an application for a variance to allow a footprint for levels five and six of the project that exceed the maximum 20,000 square feet. And item number eight seeks approval of a development agreement for the project. The two largecale approvals

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and the variance are quasi judicial. The two development agreements are not. They are legislative or at best quasi legislative in nature. Both development agreements nevertheless require public hearing under the city's code. For efficiency, one public hearing per

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project is sufficient. Therefore, the city will frame tonight's hearings within the city's quasi judicial procedures with respect to presentations by staff, the applicant, and public comment. The clerk will has read the title of the resolutions for

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items four and five and will read the items for six, seven, and eight before public hearing. The public hearing will include presentations by staff and the applicant and public comment. The commission may ask any questions either before or after public comment is

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closed. Following public comment, the commission may deliberate on each item. The quasi judicial procedures require this commission to consider the evidence presented to it and base its decision on the applicable law and primarily on the evidence presented whether by the

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applicant, staff, or members of the public. In considering each item, the commission should apply the criteria which for variances in se is in section 20-5.9 and for the large-scale special exceptions is found in article 8 of the land development code and the

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professional analysis in the staff recommendation. The evidence presented must be substantial competent evidence. This means testimony or other evidence based on personal observation or relevant expert testimony that a reasonable mind

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would accept as adequate to support a conclusion. It is not a popularity contest. It cannot be based solely on non-expert opinions, no matter how fervent those opinions might be. Everyone who wishes to speak on an item will be given an opportunity to speak

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during the public comment portion of each hearing. If you intend to provide testimony as to any item, you will be sworn in before your testimony is taken. Please know if you speak, you may be subject to cross-examination. If you refuse either to be cross-examined or to

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be sworn, your testimony will be considered in that context and given its due weight. The general public will not be permitted to cross-examine witnesses, but the public may request the commission to direct questions on their behalf to either staff or the applicant.

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At this time, anyone who wishes to speak on any of the items, items four and five and six, seven, and eight, you should be sworn in. I'd ask that you please stand and raise your right hand. And this is for all items four and five and six, seven, and eight. Do you swear

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or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? >> Thank you. >> Madame clerk, please confirm compliance with the advertising and notice requirements for the hearing. >> Yes. Thank you, Madam Clerk, mayor, vice mayor, and commissioners. We will now do

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the exarty communication disclosure. Please let us know if you have had any exarty communication with the applicant or any member of the public, either for or against any of the applications to be heard tonight. If so, please state for the record who the communication was

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with and the nature of the committee. >> So, just to be clear, we're doing it for both applications at this moment. >> Yes. Four and five, six, seven, and Okay. Let's go left to right. I'm sorry. >> I have spoken with both parties

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separately obviously um where they were showing me the progress of their work >> and uh commissioner this is for items four and five. >> Four and five >> and then 678 >> and 67 and eight. >> So thank you both sets.

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>> I have not had communication with either party. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. So I uh with respect to four and five I met with Mr. Roberts Reese and his team at their offices probably three months ago uh to discuss the project and this morning I had a call

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with Alejandro Arieta to confirm whether the landscaping modifications uh that had been requested at Pad were made to along the I I forget what the name of the street is the western frontage of the property that faces a single family. So that was

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the nature of that conversation on items uh six, seven, and eight. Uh I've met with Mr. Mario Garcia Sarah uh personally and with his client, I forget the name of her client Mario who's from the company. I apologize. He's in the audience uh to discuss the project as well and today had a series of

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conversations with Mr. Garcia regarding conditions that are uh the subject of ongoing conversation I expect will be discussed this evening. >> Thank you, Mayor. I as well um for items four and five uh met with uh Robert Solis and with uh

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Alex Hareta at their office roughly three months ago to discuss the project and I spoke with uh Mario and the subtract team uh substract team uh this morning regarding the project and uh what they would be presenting.

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>> Thank you, >> Madam Attorney. I've spoken for four and I spoken to uh Robert uh Solis and his team at his office approximately two months ago. Um that's pretty much for that one. On six, seven, and eight, I

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talked to Mrs. Sierra, the clients, and I've also talked to Michelle Rearen, one of the residents as well. >> Thank you. Okay, I think we can proceed. Mayor, four and five staff presentations. >> We can please. Mr. Alers, you're recognized. Good

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evening. >> Good evening, mayor and commission. Mark Alvis with the Cordino Group here on behalf of the um city of South Miami planning staff. I have reviewed the plans and will provide a presentation on um on our findings.

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This is a large scale special exception site plan review under title 8 of our code. Um it's at formal address of 6914 Southwest 62nd Avenue. The applicant is South Miami Real Estate Partners and um we we first got this application in I

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believe January 20th and we've worked extensively also with this applicant. So there have been some changes along the way but this is the final plan as presented on April 1st. So this will be a second submitt um and that's what I'll be presenting tonight. So the location

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of this project is along the west side of Southwest 62nd Avenue. Um it's between 60 um excuse me 66 69th and 68th streets. Um and the west side of it would be abuing the single family neighborhood on the 62nd court

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side. Um the it is right now vacant a vacant parcel. It's vacant land. Um it it it's not the entire block. market corners around what is the estate company offices and there is one parcel one house single family house that's

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left out at the that's not part of it on the south end and I I'm sorry I misspoke there is a single family house that is within the back portion as well that will be um demolished for this project um the flume designation the future land use designation is transit support of

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development and the zoning designation is transit support of tsDD and it is a the block is split between two sub zones. the eastern part of it from the property line which you can see in the sort of central center line to the east

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is TSDA which is our sort of medium density subcategory for the T tsd and then the western part facing the neighborhood is zoned TSNA which is the transit support of neighborhood area and it is been tuned to be a transition area

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into neighborhoods to the north of this project um just Going through the surroundings to the north is also a vacant parcel at the moment. However, there that that block has an approval on it for a six-story office building uh that has town houses

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on the back. So again, it was in a similar situation where the front part or the eastern part of that block is TSD is allowed for six stories under the TSDA, but the western part of that block would have to be townhouse or a

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three-story type of product that would have the doors on on the front of it like a townhouse. That is already approved. So that is what we would compare against for the compatibility because that's we expect that to be constructed. Uh to the south is directly and abuing

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the project is the estate company offices um is a three-story structure with parking semi underneath the building. As we go further south we have the hospital building at seven stories um across from that. Going east across

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62nd Avenue we go more. So, this is a transitional block as we go east across 62nd Avenue, we are into the TSDDD, the downtown zoning district. And the permitted again, although it's it's mostly vacant now in parking, uh it is

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permitted for 10 stories. The western part of this or to the west across uh 62nd Court would be a single family neighborhood. It is um it is RS3. It is permitted for two stories and 25

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ft. However, most the four singlestory single family homes across the street are one-story homes. Right now, as far as compatibility, it there's a little bit of a clue on this. We always intended these blocks when we were

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zoning the TSDD to be the transitional blocks. This is the way we get from 16tory and 12tory and eight story and 10tory buildings and go into the edges. No matter what, we always have an edge. So we treated these blocks very differently. Most of them do have a

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split zoning. All of them are permitted wherever you are at six stories and they always have to taper down to three for the last 75 ft. So the transition on this one we have this has followed all of the requirements of the code as far

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as the transition goes. Going front to back. Front is on 62nd Avenue. As this project presents itself to 62nd Avenue it is six stories. as it moves back um it goes back to a three-story structure again that has had its uh facade

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although it's not town houses but it there are doors or lai units as they call it um that face the street with small lai in front of it so it mimics the idea of a townhouse and presents itself as a single family compatible type of residential development this is

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only residential development um and you see the rear as it's been presented for the April 1 And there is that that break up of the building to create that movement in the wall and create a better transition east to west. Also, this has a north to south

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transition. So again, as we move from this the sixtory on the north side of it and we still move down towards the south towards sunset, it actually our heights do go up as we see past the estate company. We go to the hospital building

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which is seven stories. So there's a transition in both directions and happens on these edge properties. Um, as far as the it is consistent with our comprehensive plan, the comprehensive plan future land use designation is TSD. Um, it if because

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TSD and the zoning code were done at the same time, basically it's compliant with everything in the zoning code, pretty much compliant with the future land use plan. But again, it is compliant with the future land use plan and supports the policies that are listed from the uh

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future land use uh element. It is also the TSDDD as I said it has subdists. This is compliant with the requirements of those subdists. So this is the map that's in the code and the

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red um sort of dog leg um is the subject property. the front or the eastern half I should call it is is TSDA and the rear half is TSNA. They both have different density

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um maximums as well. So the um the front or the front or the eastern part of this project could go to 150 units an acre. The rear part could go to 100 units an acre. On these blocks there are no bonuses. So um this has been aggregated.

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We've worked out the a how that average works, weighting the average by the amount of land on each subdist. This project could go to um to a total of actually 96 units based on the densities combining those densities. And it is

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presenting itself for 75 units at a at a combined density of 93.5 units an acre. and it is compliant with the density and of course it is only residential which is also compliant with the requirements of this code for this block on parking

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and loading. This was something that we worked with the applicants through the DRC and the DRB and going into the planning board. Um there have been some refinements. It is now at 117 parking spaces. I think in your report it says 124. Responding to the neighborhood

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requirement desires at the planning board, they have lo taken four spaces off the back off of the 57th port side and replace it with landscaping. There were also some changes to accommodate our requirements for um share car parking spaces and delivery parking

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spaces which are inside and displaced some of the parking spaces. Still at 117 spaces, it's more it has more parking than is required. The requirement for the 75 units under our code is 65 spaces.

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Um they're providing more than I believe it's about 1.3 per unit which is what they perceive as being the right number for their market. Um and we have we support it. I also want to note that this project is probably the first one we've seen where they're using

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underground parking and this helps get the building a little smaller and fits into the site without going up or having parking lots sticking out in too many places. And we we were very satisfied to see that. So, it's got one level of underground parking and then two levels

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interior to the building of one of the first level and one at the second level for the parking and those levels really don't touch the street except the decide where the delivery trucks come. Um it has enough bicycle storage as well

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and um and so again it is compliant with all of the requirements in our code for parking and loading for street hierarchy. Those are not easy to see those drawings but um for the 60 sec for the front of it for the 62nd Avenue side

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it has met all the requirements. This was also some changes that happened over time. There were initially some encroachments. All of the encroachments are gone. Uh it meets our code exactly. There are seven feet of clear pedestrian path with a 4 foot um landscape buffer.

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In this case, the five feet that we have been asking for would be a um would not be through a dedication. It would be through a um the word just escaped me. The um easement. Thank you. Uh I don't know why

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I forgot that word. Excuse me. Um, but it would not be through an easement. It would be through not through a dedication. It would be through an easement. The the two other sides, those streets are not TSGD streets. However, working with the applicants, as we have all these projects, we are using the

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secondary street guidelines. So, they have sixoot sidewalks and 4 feet of landscape and the same situation. Um, and that's what you see on the right side is is the side street and in the rear is the 57 court side. And that particular drawing out of their package

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also shows the sight lines which helps us be more comfortable with how this affects the neighborhood and how the trees in front of it do affect the sight lines and really this can blend in very well at three stories. Um the open space it 10% open space is

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required. It's a fairly small lot and they've provided 10% open space. U a few things to note. It is primarily linear open space. In other words, along the side of the building, but there is a small green space um on the side lot

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line and um that green space is sort of emphasized in that box on the side there. It's just a small plaza that there are some benches and place for people to sit and rest. We think it would be a good amenity for the neighborhood and it's a nice sort of pedestrian amenity as you transition

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from our downtown into the neighborhood. Um, one other thing I want to mention is that the as has been done with other applications, the open space between buildings, you'll see where on the south side is this property line. Uh, that is not allowed to be used and they are not

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using that as part of their open space. So, in other words, all of our open space must be along a street. We don't allow it between buildings. That can be there, but it doesn't count as open space. Uh for the landscape plan, again, it has met all of our landscape requirements

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without going through all the trees. Um I think they the applicant can present all of that in much more detail, but we've gone through the trees. We've made sure the landscape open space meets all of our requirements with trees with amount of pvious area and with amount of

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more urban impervious areas. And to also mention there is additional landscape on the third story in the in the west side. There's an amenity deck for the residents and that has landscaping as well which helps to soften the building.

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Um for building height this meets all the requirements. It's allowed to be six stories again on the east side. The last 75 ft have to come down to three stories. So there's that chart has two two levels. One is the transition zone is the threetory part. Um they've met

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this application meets the height in terms of stories as well as the stories the height to the roof and the height to the um the parapets and other features on the roof as far as building location massing and

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torm. And again we get into a little more subjectivity here but as far as the code goes we have certain measures that we look at. Um the facade frontage we again this is an urban downtown so we require more frontage and not less. So

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the facade frontages or occupation as we call it are acceptable. It's at 91% along of the block length or of the property length along 62nd Avenue. The building coverage which is the amount of the floor plate of the ground floor on

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the lot is at um is at 79.6% which is just below the 80% permitted. Um the build to the setbacks, the horizontal movement of the building are all within our code requirements. The floor plates above the fourth floor are

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also consistent. They're 11,95 ft. Architectural standards. Again, this is a fairly subjective area, but we do have certain measures that we use. Um one of them is about windows, and this is something we discussed at great length with the code. We use windows to

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at least have some measure of something that's architecturally uh that we want. So they uh this project meets all of the requirements for horizontal window dimensions as a percent on those walls and it's all there in in the fine print of those that table. Um there is no

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reflective glass. We don't permit reflective glass and there are no balconies within the build two line. I'm sorry. There are no balconies encroaching the property line. And finally the intent is to build to uh it's a uh gold certification equivalency

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which is ICC700 national green building standard and GBS I think we've come across it before uh that will be accepted for now and it's up to the city manager to make that determination at a later time. So, as far as the uh going through the

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process, as I said, this came in in January. Um DRB recommendations, we had a number of comments regarding the density. Um we've responded to those comments. It hasn't been changed. It was 75 units then and 75 now, but there are a number of misunderstandings in that

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time, excuse me, misunderstandings at that time about how we measure density in these split lots and the split blocks. Uh those have been addressed and checked again. There were some comments about delivery entrances and those have been mostly responded to with some fine

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details about the architecture so that we would make sure even though it's not an absolute requirement in our code but make sure that the delivery entrances aren't visible to the single family neighborhoods. So they would be in a situated in a way where they're not there's no direct line of sight and

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that's mostly because of the adjacent development to the north they would be at this point. Um, there have been some small open space adjustments to increase the open space. It did come into us a tiny bit under because it was counting the part to the south. There have been

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building movement between that and this plan. And finally, there were some sidewalk encroachments before. Those have been addressed to make sure that we have a 7 foot clear path on 62nd Avenue. And um, with planning board um, there were some neighborhood residents that

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requested when this came in. Initially, it had four parking spaces on the street in the back, which we thought was a good idea um at staff level because we have four lenai units that would have sort of a parking in front. The neighborhood uh residents came and they said it would be

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better for them if the parking was eliminated on the street and there was green space there. This plan now includes green space in lie of those parking spaces and it doesn't affect their parking compliance. Um and um Um

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that's it. So those have all come into the April 1st plan and at staff level we recommend approval of this large scale special exception. >> Thank you. >> Thank you Mr. Alers. Colleagues, any questions of Mr. Alver before we turn it over to the applicant? Yes, ma'am. You're recognized. Rodriguez.

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>> So just so that I take this 10,000 >> please close. Uh there's anyone online who's got their mic open, please mute it. Thank you. Uh, madam commissioner, continue. >> Sorry. Um, I just want to then confirm

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with everything that you've said they're they're not asking for anything special. Everything that they're getting is as of right. >> That's correct. >> I just I just wanted to clarify that because there's so much like information. So essentially there's nothing special going on. >> Correct.

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>> Okay. >> Commissioner Rodriguez recognized, sir. I she stole my question. No, it's uh um this is this this project is basically what they've proposed here is by right and there's no request for any variance or special.

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>> There's no waiverss, there's no variance, there's no anything special that even would go below that level. >> Okay. Any else? I have a quick question, Mark. Um, just looking at the renderings, there seems to be an elevation change between the

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ground floor of the building and the sidewalk. What's happening there? Because it looks like on the west end, it's on the same plane to the rough eye. What What What's happening there? >> I I think and I probably a good question for the architect, but that happened when we were moving from where there was

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a slight encroachment on the front and there was an ADA ramp. Okay. >> And all that has been morphed around a little bit to restructure that. So, I I think that the architect could answer that a little better. >> Okay, perfect. Thank you. We'll wait for their answer. Um, Mr. Dearo, are you

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handling the presentation? >> Good evening. How much time do you need, sir? >> Um, I will try to keep my comments as brief as possible. I think, um, well, for the record, uh, good evening, George Zavar with office at 333 Southeast

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Second Avenue. I think staff did a fantastic job explaining the project. Um, I will try to keep my comments brief. I would say less than five minutes if that's okay, Mr. Mayor. >> That's fine. >> All right. Thank you. Uh, so we're very excited to be here this evening to present this project. Uh, Mark did a

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very good job of walking you through the context of this area, but this project's in the heart of the city's health district. And it's an area that has a large concentration of commercial and medical office and office uses, but it's really missing a residential component

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to serve this employment center. And we believe this project aligns with the vision of the TSDD when it was created um in order to create this into a comprehensive mixeduse walkable neighborhood. Um and this project, you know, we worked very hard with staff

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over the last several months to refine it. Um, but we but we believe it's going to really contribute to redefining this area by bringing uh housing within close walking distance of jobs and transit. So, we're very excited for that. Um, as

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staff mentioned, and I think they highlighted, uh, we're not asking for a reasonzoning. This project, uh, has been refined several times to ensure it's designed completely, uh, in accordance with the applicable TSDDD standards for this site. I'd like to highlight some of

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those things uh that we've done and have done since the time of the planning and zoning board. But um this is an area that's very unique in that it's surrounded by commercial uses, but you also have an adjacent single family neighborhood. And when this TSDD

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regulations were created, they basically created two distinct subdists to create a transition between these areas. And we've designed this project um which consists of 75 residential units well below the allowable density uh

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with much larger units just to give you an idea. I'm sorry. I'm trying to highlight the points that staff uh didn't touch on, but uh what we've done is we've designed much larger units that are intended for families, young professionals, professionals that want to live near these employment districts

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rather than what other projects typically try to do, which is put as many studio bedrooms as you can. We really have been sensitive to try to uh serve this market that we believe is in the area. Uh this site plan shows the transition between the two zonings. What

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we've done is on the left side, which is the western portion of the property, that is a three-story building, which is well below the 40 ft in height that's allowed. We've tried to reduce that height as much as possible. And it transitions, as you could see here, into

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a sixstory building that is also well below the allowable height for that district as it approaches the commercial corridor on 62nd Avenue. Um, Mr. Mayor, this is the uh I think the elevation change that you may have

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been talking about. And what we did here is uh in order to provide a very large sidewalk along 62nd Avenue, we have relocated the entrance uh to our uh lobby from this site and it required an elevation change in order to get the building to be completely flushed

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throughout u be able to maintain the height that we wanted to propose on the western side which was a much lower height. Shar, before you continue, just a quick question on that rendering. I thought I saw on a prior rendering, is there an ADA ramp uh on the portions

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further? There is >> I believe the ADA ramp is on the other side of those trees. >> Yeah, it's behind those trees. You can't see them, but there is. >> Is it an elevator then? >> Uh no, it's a ramp. >> It's a ramp. >> Yeah, that's behind like that pink tree that's there. >> Okay.

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>> So, we have basically uh the access is right. I'm trying to make sure it's not on 62nd Avenue, >> correct? Yeah, it's on 69th Street. >> Okay. >> Um, this is the updated um renderings that we just wanted to show you quickly of the changes that we've made since the

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time that we've been before the planning and zoning board. This is something that our architectural team uh is very proud of. What we tried to do on this frontage is design a very active residential field at the ground level. And the way that we did that was not only through the materials that we chose for the

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building and the architecture articulation um and the break up and the facade of the buildings, but each one of these units has a ground level lenai walk up unit uh that really activates the ground level. And what this let us do was two things. First, we removed all the curb

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cuts that would have been there to make a much safer pedestrian environment. And the second thing it did is it allowed us to set the building back between 12 and 15 ft and push this building further back from the single family homes. Uh that setback is almost three times more

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than what's required under your code. One of the things that we did since the planning and zoning board which was uh a comment from from some of the neighbors was to remove the four uh on street parking spaces that we had on that area and replace it with with additional uh

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green areas and swale and landscaping. uh and our architect team worked to go ahead and revise that condition. Uh we now have additional street trees and landscaping in that area and we al we were also able to accomplish a much larger sidewalk in that area.

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This is the updated um rendering showing the removal of the on street parking spaces along 62nd Court. Uh one other item that I want to highlight and I think it's a very important item uh is that we have um agreed. Planning and zoning board wanted

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us to look at the height of the street trees that were being planted. I know some residents had raised concerns that landscaping that is planted sometimes takes years to grow and mature, but we have committed and it's one of the items in your development agreement that's

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before you this evening to plant 20 foot street trees, uh large mature oak trees at the time of planting. Uh, and we think that's really going to to help with the canopy along these streetscapes um, and really live up to the standard

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that the city of South Miami holds uh, with respect to its uh, treeline streetscapes. Here you can see the updated rendering. This is different than the uh, one we presented at the planning and zoning board. This one shows the 20 foot trees. Uh and really what we've done is and uh

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to staff's credit, we carved out portions of this building to create additional planting areas so we could block the view into the parking garage from uh from the street view. So there are pockets if you see here uh in this landscape plan. Sorry for jumping

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around, but uh that we've provided right at the entrances of both of these parking entrances to really provide some uh some additional landscaping there. I think most of the other items uh staff touched upon. This is the landscape plan

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that shows the new 20 foot trees. Uh this is the open space area that we uh wanted to provide something that would really be an amenity to the neighborhood as opposed to some unprogrammed open space. We have seating areas uh with a lot of landscaping um and some nice

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coverage there. And this is the updated um final rendering that shows the new 20 foot street trees along with the removal of the four parking spaces. So I think that summarizes the application as a whole. I know staff did a great job

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highlighting how this project's been signed fully in accordance with the applicable zoning requirements. We appreciate your time. Um and we're here to answer any questions. >> Thank you, Mr. Navaro. Uh colleagues, any questions of the applicant? Yes sir,

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you're recognized. >> I complet I I don't remember is on the 62nd side is there any retail on the ground floor? >> Oh, so that's a great point. So no, one of the things that we did is that there is no retail on the ground floor. Uh and we did that on purpose. So on the ground

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floor facing 62nd Avenue, we have the activated ground floor lobby spaces and we also have the management offices for the building. Uh the reason we did that is we wanted to be sensitive in terms of traffic. We didn't want to add any additional retail uses that would create

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additional daytime and evening traffic to the project. So, the development agreement actually has a restriction that prohibits retail uses. That was something that we did to be uh sensitive in terms of traffic. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you, Commissioner.

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>> Further questions? Um if if you could just um identify for me where are we looking at receiving parcel package delivery, small truck, Amazon delivery uh within the garage or on the adjacent rightway

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>> from so so we have designated spaces but uh we've been working on that with city staff. Okay. >> Hi Robert Sice. I'm the managing principal for the estate companies. >> Good evening. >> Uh thank you all for your time and uh consideration today, mayor, vice mayor, and commissioners. Uh I know we've

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spoken and uh we put a lot of effort into this particular building. Uh because of its size and the complexity of the lot. If you notice, the lot is not a rectangle. It's not a simple lot. You have a very uh specific code that addresses a lot of issues. And if you

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know, it sounds like it's no big feat, but it was very difficult to ask for no variances. I mean, we we basically comply with everything in your code. Uh, so we run institutional multif family. We don't run um non-professional multif

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family. So, this is designed our federal uh FedEx, UPS, we have a package room in the leasing office. And so um if you notice there is a location on the 69th Avenue side where cars to truck and park

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and get off and come to the front of the building and go into our package room. >> Yeah. >> And uh so we don't want them obviously stopping on 62nd or in any way going into the residential area. So also we believe that this project is going to mitigate a lot of traffic because if we

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do, you know, succeed in what we believe are going to be our tenants, which is a lot of the hospital um employees, uh they're not going to be driving on the street. So uh you know, traffic is an issue anywhere in this in the in the Miami Day County area, really tri county area, but uh one of the ways to mitigate

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traffic is having residential close to jobs. And so I think we're we're accomplishing that. And I think that's what the master plans today try to do, try to mitigate traffic that way. So I'm sorry I went too far. >> No, no, thank you for the clarification. >> U Mr. Ro, just one other question. I I

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know we have modified our rules um recently and it's an issue came up on an adjoining project. Walk me through the number of on street spaces that existed prior or maybe Mark you can assist. How many

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are being eliminated? how many are being allowed to provide access and what the net loss is and if you there's any payment that's owed to us for parking mitigation parking mitigation. >> So I can tell you that in the development agreement there is a provision that requires us uh to adhere

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to that new provision for us to replace the loss of on street spaces. I'm not sure that we have the exact number yet but there is a provision and development agreement that we will uh comply with that order. I was just trying to find the the number in the development agreement which we had put in in prior versions, but I didn't see >> I know we have four less now.

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>> Okay. Okay. >> But but I don't know the exact number. >> Okay. So, I'll just leave that to our city attorney to possibly address that while we uh >> and maybe I could get you that answer. >> Yes, ma'am. >> I It's funny that you touch on those four spots because I don't think it

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would be fair for us to charge them whatever that is for those four spots when it's being removed at the request of them. >> No, understood. And that's part of the reason of the request. I mean, our rules do provide when they're complying with a streetscape plan that we've requested

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that they're not penalized. But I just I what I've lo I I'm well aware of those four spaces and follow the conversations with the lower board. I had a conversation initially Mr. Sharice about it suggested they at least eliminate one particularly on the northern northwestern most corner so they could

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add more landscaping at that edge. um they had a rationale that they wanted to have at least one guest space for each one of the three ground floor units which did have some logic behind it in my mind but again we want to uh give the neighbors what they want there in in terms of an edge treatment. I just want

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to understand before the project what the net number was. Obviously, there are offsets based on access and where we ended up because obviously parking, you know, I know I I'm give Mr. River a hard time about parking enforcement and parking revenue, but it is not an

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inconsequential asset that we've got to manage. So, anyhow, we we'll get some follow-up clarity from the city attorney and others on that. Do we at some point want to have that information at least in an email or something? >> Yeah, I'm I'm not sure if Mr. Alvarez

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can get with our city attorney while we're hearing from the public and get us some refinement on on that particular detail. >> Any further questions? >> Yes, sir. You're recognized. >> Was was there a change

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to the north side of the building? uh the part of the building that actually in interjects into the residential area. >> So, uh >> the reason I'm asking just so we're all on the same page, >> last time I saw the drawings and the architectural plans, my understanding is that the rear uh the north side would

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have more townhouse look feel. It seems like it's now one-bedroom or two-bedroom apartments. Is that is that am I being clear with the with the drawings here? Just >> so yes. So, um, to your question, let me go to that, um, let me go to that

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rendering for a second here. There's one that shows it. Hold on, it's back in the presentation. Uh, to your question, yes, this this, uh, front of the project has been revised probably eight different times, six different times, but not

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since the time that before it's gone to the to the uh, initial review at DRB. uh we worked on this side with staff prior to submitting uh for quite some time and one of the things we've done and I think this angle gives it a good view is and I

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think there's one over here actually right in front so what we've done is each portion of this uh facade has a different architectural treatment has different materials uh and has different window treatment so it creates the appearance of a townhouse facade uh the

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ground levels are walk up units they're not rear accessed, right? Everybody walks in through the front. You can go in through through the rear, but there is a front door. That is the design um kind of the way it it always has been. It's got three levels of units. The ground floor units are accessible

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through the sidewalk. Uh but the way that the architecture has evolved has changed in terms of trying to really create um you know, four different articulated facads. >> Let me just add one thing. um in reality has never changed as far as the way it

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is designed. It was always designed to look like a town home, but it wasn't a town home. And we have changed some of the elements in the front to accommodate the parking, but it's really stayed pretty close to, you know, what we've been um showing everybody uh since day

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one. There's not this lot doesn't have a lot of movement. There's there's, you know, you're kind of defined in a very defined space. It's been the same project for the most part other than just removing that parking and and pushing back the building a little bit. But as far as a floor plan that you're

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discussing there there's never been town houses. It's been units. >> Okay. >> It's just it's just the effect of a townhouse is what we're trying to achieve. >> Maybe it's my misunderstanding. For some reason I always thought there was going to be town houses on the back side like that. I'm not saying it's bad or you know it's good or bad. It was just my my understanding and I just wanted to see

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what the thought process was moving from apartments over town houses back forth. But if you say it was always like like that. >> It was always like that. But we've never submitted anything to the city that in any any time that included a townhouse, a two-story unit. >> Fair enough.

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>> Colleagues for the questions? None. Okay. Let's then open up the public hearing. So, if there's any member of the public who you can take a seat, we'll reserve some time if you got rebuttal. Uh, if there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission uh with respect to items four and five, you're welcome at this time.

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Mr. Lopez, anybody else who'd like to line up after him? Mr. Ter, we'll follow up with you, sir. Okay. >> Hello, Jason Lopez, 7730 Southwest 65th place. Um, recently I've been compared to Bob Welsh, being told I'm the new Bob

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Welsh, and I realize that's a great I'm going to continue with that because I I think it's pretty cool. Um, I like the building. It's a cool building. I don't think it's really taking into consideration the actual site that it's going on ultimately. It's uh there's a

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lot of letters uh TSD, TSDA, things like that that allow trees to be killed because those letters exist. Um, on that site currently, uh, there's what we could consider a grandfather oak. Um, it's a huge

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sprawling oak tree. It's covered in resurrection fern. It's got tanzia recurvata, tanzia vicular, tanzia utricularia. It's got a number of plants that it's hosting. Um, it has a 17 foot diameter breast height read. So

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imagine 17 feet around. So they're talking about replacing it with 23 trees or whatever that are 20 feet tall but have a a caliper or a DBH of a foot maybe tall. So the net loss is far

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greater than what's being replaced. And a project like this they said themselves there's 10 extra parking spaces. Why can't this project, specifically this project, take into consideration that there are specimen oak trees on the site

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that they are removing that are hosts for epify communities, birds, all that sort of stuff? Why can't this particular plan that they have redone six or eight times consider the actual site? It's

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going based on investment opportunity. I realized they could have built units, whatever. This is filling a space that it does not need to fill. Everyone's pointing out that it's some sort of uh like the big buildings belong there.

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The backside are family residents. I have friends that have lived there my whole life. I've used that street my whole life. And I'm well aware that while it is in keeping with the planning that has been decided for City of South Miami, it is not in keeping with the

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spirit of that neighborhood. Um it's it's just really tough uh to to to make these trades for the concrete without the consideration of what's actually there. They're going to spend all this money to replant to replace things that are currently existing that

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we would all hope that we could one day get for our communities. Like it's an existing thing. That one tree, never mind the other three oaks that are on the bear the bear lot or the other two large oaks that are on the the single family home lot. Never mind them. This one tree should be protected. It's it's

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it's not unreasonable and it should be considered. And my time's about to run up. But while I was there, uh I put on my Merlin bird app and there was a gray kingbird, tufted tit mouse, morning dove, eastern phoebe, Baltimore oral,

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purple martin, house sparrow, boattile gr, northern cardinal, northern mockingb bird, and blue jays heard on the site. April 12th, I was there for 20 minutes. So, these sorts of projects do affect our communities. And I realize that this is special exception, three months, get

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it in, get it approved, and whatnot, but it doesn't need to be approved so quickly. They don't need these special exceptions. They can they can take longer. They can come back with a plan that represents self. Thank you. >> Thank you, Jason. Any other member of the public would

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like to speak? Please come forward. recognize. >> I'm David Landown. I live at 6926 Southwest 62nd Court, directly across the street from the project. Um, first I want to thank you for the prayer that you started with. It was

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beautiful. And also for all the presentations. It's really a cheerful city. >> Thank you. Um, and I want to thank the plan the planning board and the uh planners for

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restoring the swale which was taken away to make those four street park those four parking places that have been described. Um, those trees have been there at least 50.

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I've lived there 50 years. My family grew up that my children and grandchildren grew up there and those trees have been there 50 years. The first when we moved in, Mrs. Prebble told us that the city had

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given her a mahogany tree that's sitting now, still sitting there in the front yard. I don't know when she got it, but before 1975. Um, so a lot of trees are going to be massacred for this uh project

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and to replace and our lot. Oh, there are only three houses across the street. It was misqued in the early statement. There are only three single family houses on the west side of 62nd Court. There

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are three lots as you can see on their maps. Um, for me, a much nicer project would be instead of the four town houses to have trees there and then the people that

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live in the 85 units in the air would have a place to be under trees. I realize it's too late to realize that. I figured that out a couple days ago when I couldn't sleep. Thank you very much.

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>> Thank you for your time. Thank you for your comments. Is there any other member of the public? Please come forward. >> Valentine, 7300 South by 68th Court. You probably know I'm here because I'm standing up, excuse me, I'm standing up for the trees. I'm a tree hugger at

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heart. And it's not just there, but I keep seeing these big old native trees go down. There's been so many lots that have been cleared and replanted with palms or little trees. I don't understand why you have to build a

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building to wipe it out and then plant small plant trees. Why can't you build around it? I I just, you know, I don't get it. It's very excuse me. It's just very sad. Every time I see a big tree down, it just it it just kills me to see

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it. So, just want you to know I'm here in support of trying to save the big trees, the native trees, so that we can be the tree city and the bird sanctuary that we all want to be and stay. So,

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thank you very much and um thank you to our new Bob. >> Anyway, I I appreciate the opportunity to speak. Thank you. >> Thank you. Anyone else? Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand

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from his phone? >> No one online, Madam Clerk. >> No. >> Okay. I just have a question. Jason, if you can clarify, are you talking the um I see on the landscape plan a 54 inch. Still a very big tree. DBH uh oak tree,

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which is tree 70 on the plans. >> It's it's near the corner near the uh northwest corner of the site. I did a little tree survey since you're asking. Um I have them numbered one, two, three, and four. >> Uh I have >> Can I show you can if you want to come up? I'll show you on the plan which one

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I'm speaking of. Is Is this the one? >> Okay, >> that's it. >> That's it. >> No, it's good. I'm I'm good. I just want to make sure I was I was I I think it said 70 plus inches. So I was trying to find that on the chart. So

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>> it's 204 in around. It's 40t tall and it has a foot crown spread. Uh, Tanzia, Tanzia faciculada, Tanzia faciculada variety alba pleus poly. >> I'm good. I mean again, >> what's all living in the tree? Just so

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you know. >> Yeah, that's I mean again 54 in. I caught my attention. Yes, sir. You recognize >> Jason. Jason, >> you said it's a 60 foot span. >> It's of shade >> of sh of of the canopy. The whole property of the fours of the four trees

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of the public space currently uh equal 420 in of diameter at breast height. So how many feet is that? Uh there are 152 feet of crown coverage. I measured

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my height and shade distance and I measured the the tree crown shade. And so we have 152 feet of shade and about 150 ft of tree height. But that one particular tree is 17 feet around. That's a 400 year old tree. Like it's

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irreplaceable. No one in our lifetime will ever plant a tree and see it become that >> qu question. This may be a stupid question but you would know the answer. >> Um relocating that tree is undoable. >> Impossible. >> Impossible. you would have to cut its

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limbs off, completely change its character, 100% alter the root system. Uh you would stress it out and then you would it would require that the upkeep following up was topnotch. >> Yeah, it takes months, right? >> That's far more than that. For a tree

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like that, you would have to root prune it for two or three years probably and then you would pro you would have to be staked for a couple years. It would need all sorts of care. Uh the compaction that goes on from the construction sites problem. There's a number of things like that tree is irreplaceable.

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Irreplaceable. It's you cannot get that back. There is no resident of South Miami that could ever make that happen. >> We we we understand. Appreciate it. Thank you. Appreciate you highlighting it. Okay, colleagues, any further questions? Okay, so did you want to add anything by

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way of comment rebuttal? >> Yeah, I just um and Mr. Mayor, thank you. We've um we looked with our arburst um at this site and really looked at trying to relocate uh some of these trees. Unfortunately, the majority of them, if you look at the report, they're in moderate condition. So, they're not

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very good candidates for relocation. And also, there are a lot of uh lowhanging power lines in the area that would prevent us from moving that tree anywhere. And that tree would be impacted during construction as well. So, one of the things that we have done and >> sorry, when you're saying that tree, you're talking about number 70.

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>> Tree number 70. Okay. >> Yeah, we've looked at that tree in detail. Um, and unfortunately there's just no way to relocate that off site and it's not in the best condition uh to be a candidate for relocation. >> But one of the things that we've done, your code uh I mentioned requires a

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minimum 12 foot high trees. We have committed to provide 8 20 foot minimum time of planting oak trees. So these will be mature oak trees. Uh it's uh it's a substantial increase from what's required and we know it may not place

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that tree but uh these eight large mature oak trees well above what's required I think will make a substantial impact in the visual uh foliage that you see along that street tree. So that's one of the commitments uh that we made between um planning and zoning board and

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today and it's part of your development agreement. I think it's a big commitment from the developer. >> We appreciate it. You have a question? Yeah. >> Do you I mean you're welcome to go. We'll wait for you. It's okay. Do you want to take Do you want to take a three-minute v break?

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We may have some conversation. That's why I'm asking. >> Let's take a break. >> Let's take Well, let's take a Let's take a three-minute recess for Commissioner Monich. It's okay. Thank you. Turn it up. Okay. So, we uh we're reconvened. Um thank you for allowing us to break. Um

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with the applicant's indulgence, we do have a consent agent item. There's someone here in the audience. I apologize. I didn't I lost track of that. Um madam clerk, if you could in between this item read if it's okay. Then there's no problem with taking it out of order. Uh if we can take CA um I think it's

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CA1. Yeah, just very quickly. We can take CA1. CA2 does not have any sort of anyone outside the city, Mr. Manager, associate with it. Correct. >> You mean the consent agenda? >> Yeah, we have CA1, which is the uh again grant for the Jaden Higgins Youth

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Football Camp. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> And CA uh two does not require It's just Mr. Riverall. Correct. It's just both on >> division zero resolution. Okay. Thank you. So, if you can read C1 really quickly. >> A resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Florida

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approving and authorizing the waiver of certain event related fees and cost and amount not to exceed $2,248 pursuant to section 15B-6 of the city code for a special event known as 2026 Jaden Higgins Youth Football Camp presented by the Westminster Christian

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Private School, Inc. to be held Saturday, May 30, 2026 at Palmer Park. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, any questions regarding the item, colleagues? Yes, ma'am. >> I actually have something I'd like for you guys to consider. There's an

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additional $1,685 attached to this and I'm hoping that we can wave that seeming as though this is something to benefit. >> What is that for? >> It is parks and police and we routinely wave that for so many other events. And

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for this one that directly impacts our youth. I think we it's such a nominal amount that I think we should add that along with >> that's fine. I have no objection to the modification. Any objection? >> Thanks guys. >> So do you want to move it as amended? >> Yes, please. >> Okay. So >> you want to say >> please? Yeah.

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>> Okay. I'd like us to move CO1 CA1 with an additional $1,685 which is equal to the hard cost for this event so that it is completely covered and fee waved.

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>> Okay. So, we have a motion by Commissioner W and a second by Commissioner Cay. Any comment before we vote? I'd just like to thank again Jaden for being a great example of uh Hi, good evening. Thank you for being here. Sorry to keep you waiting. Do you want to come forward, introduce yourself

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really quickly? >> Hello. Thank you everybody. My name is Jade Higgins and I'm here on behalf of Jaden Higgins and the upcoming youth football camp. >> Thanks Jade. Thank you for being here. Again, just thank your brother for being a great example of uh what a South Miami can achieve and we're excited for his uh

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success and uh appreciate him coming back to the neighborhood to offer the camp and glad to see that Westminster's involved. So, thank you. >> Go Warriors. Thank you everybody. >> Okay. Uh a motion to second. Madam clerk, if you can call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cayenne? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez?

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>> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 5 Z. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Thank you again. >> Thank you. >> Thank you to you and your family for bringing that to us. It's our pleasure. >> We look forward to bringing it annually. So, we'll see you again next year. >> Awesome. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay, back to items four and five. Um where did we leave off? We've closed public comments. >> Yes. >> Any questions? Further questions? Okay. Mr. Nvar, just to kind of get um and

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Miss Cabrera, if you can also because I know this is a particular this is a particular issue that you're you care passionately about as well, preserving trees. So, and we're certainly trying to do that with our new uh sustainability standards. So I I I just want to understand there is there is a conflict

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between the look the the development of the building and that one specimen that seems to be um particularly unique given its size. Can you just clarify? I'm trying to understand whether it's salvage for example to the untrained eye

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you could you could say can we remove the line of two-bedroom units and would allow us to save the tree. My concern was does the underground parking garage the footprint of it affect the tree? And so if you can talk about the interplay between those two elements.

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>> Yeah. >> I mean we can have our arbur she's on she's on the line. She can talk about that but I have a lot of experience doing this because we do significant amount of development around tri county area. The problem is that the underground basement is right behind that wall and without that space you

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can't circulate. There is no parking garage. That's the circulation. when you go in there and if you were to go in there and root that part out of it, you're going to disa you're going to disbalance that tree. The tree is likely going to suffer significantly or die.

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It's just going to be very difficult. Uh this is really not one tree. This is really two trees. So what they're doing is they're measuring both trunks. It's really two trees that are growing right next to each other. So it's really the house of size. It's not a 400 year old tree. I have a 1500 acre ranch and I

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plant oak trees. I love oak trees and so I know how long it takes for these trees to grow. This is not a 400-y old tree. Our intent is to plant, you know, 20ft trees, fertilize them so they can grow as quickly as possible. The same birds, the same trees that are going to be on

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this oak tree are going to be on our oak trees. It's just going to be younger trees. Uh, you know, but over time, it's going to be a tremendous canopy. At the end of the day, we want our property to look uh complying with the neighborhood. It gives us more value if that building

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fits into the neighborhood. And that's what we're trying to do. We're transitioning from a fourstory from sorry threetory to a sixtory make it look residential and basically stay within the land use plan and what the what the vision is for the city. This is we're doing exactly what we spent a lot

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of time trying to put together. And so there happens to be a tree there that is a large tree. There's no question about it. But it's really two trees in one. >> No, Mesa, I appreciate you. I appreciate the explanation. I think I'm just trying to understand you cannot >> and highlight the conflict. I think if

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we if you were to then if if if you were to try to salvage a tree, not only losing the units, but you're going to lose about 23 parking spaces or access to 23 spaces. >> Circulation. >> Yeah. No, but at sub forget the circulation. I'm saying it basically

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affects access to the when I'm looking at the at the underground parking level. >> Mhm. Looks like this portion of the garage which is the the western portion becomes inaccessible then because you would have to change that portion of the >> it would be could do the project.

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>> I was I'm just trying to understand the residual impacts of trying to preserve the tree >> and and like I said it's two trees trying to relocate that tree is going to be >> No, I I'm not >> to me there's no from what Jason's offer of testimony and others what you're

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saying I I take the report on its face. It's not a good candidate for relocation. I'm just wondering if we were trying to preserve it on the site. >> What are what are the impacts beyond you all losing three two-bedroom units? And it looks like it has >> a lot more than that. >> It it looks I'm trying to understand whether it has a residual impact on the

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underground level. And it seems it does >> and it seems that you lose by my count 23 parking spaces underground. >> Yeah. And it would lose circulation. You know, it it would impact a lot of things. The garbage pickup uh trash pick uh trash shoot areas, staircases. I mean, those are on the those are on the

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ground floor level. Correct. >> Yeah, they go all the way through to the ground floor into the basement. >> But yeah, but I think that that portion Oh, would they? >> Yeah, there's a back of house and the ramp. Okay. Okay. So, it goes well beyond that. Okay. >> And then then you have the issue with the canopy that would go into the upper

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level units as well. So, it's not just the basement. >> Okay. >> You know, >> got it. >> Okay. Thank >> Thank you. >> Further questions? No. >> Okay. >> Uh, is there a motion on the item?

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>> I I have a motion. I >> This is for This is for item four. >> For item four. >> Yeah. >> Well, no, we have to take them separately. Take them separate. >> Separate votes. Yes. >> So, I'll move four. >> Okay. I'll second it. >> Second. As as presented. >> As presented. >> As presented. >> Any questions on the modifications? Do we get clarification on the Well, that's

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on the next item on the parking removal. Okay. So, we have a motion to approve by Commissioner Bon with a second by Commissioner Kaya as recommended by staff. >> Okay. Madam clerk, please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Gish, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Kay, >> yes.

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>> Vice Mayor Corey, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 5. >> On the development agreement, do we have any clarification on the parking? >> So, in speaking with uh and Mr. Mayor, sorry. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> In speaking with your uh planning staff,

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we understand there are no on street uh parking spaces today. So, um the removal of those spaces should not impact us. If we want to clarify the development agreement to that effect, probably be helpful. Uh just for further clarity down the line, but I'm being told that

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there is uh no on street parking. >> So, Mr. Overall, no on street parking in that section. This recognizes revenue generating currently on >> across the street >> across the street on the north side. Okay. So, there's nothing there was nothing on the south side because it was residential in character before the

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zoning changes. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So, if we can just clean up And uh we move the items so we can move it with a modification to strike the the mitigation payment. I just that would help be helpful to everybody. Okay. >> Excuse me, mayor. The way it reads the development agreement 3.2 should there

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be any loss? >> Just strike it because should there be is going to lead to conversation about whether it's owed or not and it's just a waste of our collective time. >> Okay. Have a question regarding the DA? Yes, sir. >> No. No, no questions regarding the DA. Yes, sir.

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>> Wanted to make a quick comment. I just wanted to uh thank the applicant. Obviously, we we took a lot of time and effort and thought into the zoning here to create some appreciation for the density and intensity in this area. Um,

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we yeah, we do appreciate that you came forward with this and considering what else is in the area, commercial, medical. I do think that this is going to be less disruptive because medical uses can have 20, 30 different cars coming every hour throughout the day.

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And this one's really only going to have the same rush hour traffic that everybody always goes through with people coming and going, whether they work across the street or whether they work wherever. So, I do think that this is a positive project for the city. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, we have a Is there a motion to

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approve? >> I'll I'll move it >> with the modification. With the modification. Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. Motion by Commissioner Bonich and a second by uh Commissioner Rodriguez. Madam Clerk, again, if you can call the role on item five. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Kagan. >> Yes.

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>> Commissioner Bonish? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 5. >> Thank you. Okay, let's uh take up items. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you all. Good evening. >> Uh let's take up items six, seven, and eight, please.

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>> Item six, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving or denying a variance application pursuant to section 20-5.9 of the land development code seeking to exceed the maximum lot coverage allow for single floor plate requirements for

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the floor plates of the fifth and sixth floors for a proposed largescale development within the transit supported neighborhood area. TSNA subd district of the transit supported development district tsd located at 6404 through

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6504 southwest 57th Avenue. Item seven, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving or denying a large scale development special exception application pursuant to 20-8.7 of the city of South land development

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code for the off-campus student apartments on the 2.73 acre development site located at 6404 through 6504 Southwest 57th Avenue. Item eight, a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Florida

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approving or denying a development agreement with Subtex Acquisitions LLC for the off-campus student apartments on the 2.73 acre development site located at 6404 through 6504 Southwest 57th

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Avenue pursuant to section 20-8.7 of the city of South Land Development Code. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Um MC attorney, we have the warnings previously, correct? Okay, so we are good to proceed. Mr. Alvarez, you're recognized

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for presentation. >> Good evening. Mark Elers with the Cardino Group. I'm here on behalf of um of the city of Miami planning staff. We have reviewed this application and work with this >> South Miami. South Miami. >> South Miami. >> Sorry, >> South Miami. >> What did I just say?

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>> City of Miami. you left. Sorry, South Miami. Um, that's bad. Excuse me. It's been a long year. Anyway, >> um, it is a large scale special, excuse me, a large scale development special exception. Uh, site plane review. This

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one does also have a variance as a separate item. The location of this is on Red is fronting Red Road between six between Hardy Road and 66th Street. Um, it's the full block. Um, and it's 2.73 acre

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block. It's rect rectangle. Um, this is a somewhat of an outlier of the tsd. It's probably one of the only properties that's not really connected to the rest of the downtown zoning district. Um, and it's it's surrounded by um, Carl Gables,

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Date County, and on the two sides, city of South Miami. Um, the designation, the land use designation is TSD. The zoning designation is TSDD and the the sub zone is the TSNA, the transit supportive

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neighborhood area um which surrounds this property and again just I'll talk in a in a moment about transitions but um to it north um it looks like a single family house actually in a very large lot and that's what it is. It's actually two single

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family houses. However, the entitlements for that it's it's um unincorporated Dade County. It's zoned RU 1Z and RU4 under those entitlements. That property could be developed at some time and it's large enough for it to a ninestory uh

492
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residential multif family building. Um to the south of this project is we all know as Redroad Commons. It's in the city of South Miami. Um it is it has been developed under PUB land unit development which is why it's not

493
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included in our TSD zoning district. Um, it's a PUBM, mixeduse PUB. Um, and that is a five-story building and we don't expect it to go anywhere soon. It's a mixeduse as well uh retail on the ground floor. The to the east of the project is

494
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again no longer in our jurisdiction. It's across Red Road. It is the UN it is it is the University of Miami and it is also Coral Gables. Um the entitlements in that really go with the campus master plan and as we can see right now under the current master plan for the campus

495
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there is nothing slated for that. However the the limitations of those buildings and that scale is really out of our hands and development is between the city of Coral Gables and the university. And then to the west is a single family neighborhood. Again this

496
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is a TSNA project. In that area we have that is a transitional area. Um and we have um uh under the zoning district RS4 we have single family homes um in that across the street on 57th Court they are um

497
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they can go to two stories and 30 ft now um and but right now those are those are singlestory homes. So for compatibility, we have, as is the case with most of our downtown development, we intended to create greater density and put more people in

498
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the downtown so that it would also feed into our um our businesses and our mixed uses and our workplaces in the downtown to have people within walking distance and most especially to have people within walking distance of the metro rail station.

499
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Uh back in I think it was November, we started talking about having student housing or student departments um because we are near the University of Miami and that adds an extra dimension to that. So that we would now have students who in this case this property

500
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is right across the street from the university. So we would I think we can easily foretell that even with students who are going to an expensive school and may bring their cars here, many would walk to the university because it is only across the street and parking costs

501
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money on both sides. So we think this also adds to the pedestrian environment of the downtown for that you that aspect of it as well. Um again it's a as a TSNA property. There are all the reasons why this is a

502
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good reason for the downtown and for the university and for pedestrianism and transit support. We also consider how it works for the neighborhood to the west. Um so this this has to come under the TSNA rules where the front part of the

503
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property in this case the east side um would be able to go to six stories and the 75 ft in from the west side across from the single family homes would have to come down to three stories to start to create that transition. And again,

504
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just here we have this north south transition with a potential for nine stories in the county property coming down to six going to five at Red Road Commons. And we have really an unknown potential for the university over time.

505
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We don't know what the campus master plan would hold for those blocks, but they are fairly undeveloped. So we could imagine that at some time there's something there. Excuse me. And then uh going in this case again east to west we would have that transitioning down to six stories across red road

506
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transitioning to three and then transitioning to the twotory single single family area. Um so again um this is consistent with our future land use plan. It's consistent with the zoning code. They were they were pretty much written

507
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together but it is consistent with the land use plan. It is consistent with numerous policies in the future land use element of our comprehensive plan which are listed there. Uh and again this this property it's in the purple area which

508
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is the future land is the u transit support of development area uh designation and it's the it's a little bit locked down by some black up there but is there the red rectangle and again I mentioned it is an outlier on our

509
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future land use map. It's not as connected by Red Road Commons because Red Road Commons falls into our designation. However, we couldn't resone Red Road Commons because it was under a PUD. So, under zoning, this property is isolated from the rest of the zoning

510
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district. Um, the residential density of this is also compliant with the the requirements of TSNA. Uh, this whole block is TSNA. It can go to 100 units an acre. However, for for student

511
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um off-campus student departments as we have termed it. Uh we count on our residential density a little bit differently and we use the number of bedrooms and it's the number of bedrooms that really is what we look at. So we take 100 times 3.5 uh and that was what we put in the code

512
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and agreed to this this property in terms of number of units comes out to 88 units per acre. Um, in also in terms of the the bedrooms or the uh what's what would be allowed under the code,

513
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this could have 273 residential units and it could have 9uh 38 student did I read that 956 uh student bedrooms and the project comes in at 240 units which is a little bit

514
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under and two and 772 bedrooms which is again a little a little bit under the maximum. Uh, and again, we have a regulation for bedroom size and it meets the requirements for bedroom size as it is currently in the code. So, every single one of those bedrooms is above

515
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our requirement in the code for 150 square ft. Um, not for the apartment is right now as in the code. We have it as per bedroom. the parking and loading. Um again there has the uh application has decided to

516
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provide more parking than we require for student housing. Um what's required is 384 spaces and it comes in at 395 spaces. So they have provided all of the parking requirement. It also meets um the car sharing and the and the delivery areas

517
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as well. And uh we have a very uh intense requirement for bicycles for students or bicycles or uh scooters or any kind of similar uh mobility. Um we have a very extensive requirement is

518
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it's meeting that requirement as well. There are um propo that's that table is wrong but um there are 193 required and it's over 193 and there are 16 on the outside on the 57 court side. Uh one of

519
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the things I want to point out and is something that this project came in to us a little bit unexpected in that is configuration put the garage on face with access onto red road. We actually didn't expect that uh when we first saw

520
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it and however we think it's a very good idea. It's one that's much more difficult because they're putting their access on a state road. There's more permitting for the state to go through. However, what it does is it takes it gives us a very good assurance as far as design goes that we would never put

521
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traffic onto the back of the project where the single family homes are. So the side streets do not have access, the back doesn't have access. It's all through Red Road. Um, and through the the process of working with this applicant, they they

522
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meet the uh the loading requirements, the delivery requirements, the car sharing requirements, all on that first level. That garage goes up six stories just as the rest of the building does. Um, and actually it goes down half a story in the back. Uh, as well and the

523
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trash, all of that is internal to the project. And again, it faces Red Road. It does not face the single family area. So we have much more assurance that we're not going to have the noise or any of the outside affluence of of those activities happening inside.

524
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Um the street hierarchy we uh we regulate as it is now in the code. We regulate what happens on Red Road. The other streets are non-TSDD streets as our code currently exists. The the project required a 7 foot clear path on

525
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the sidewalk with four feet on the outside of the um on the sidewalk so that there is protection from the moving traffic and that's been provided on this project. There is a little bit of a grass area depending on where you are on

526
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the block on the inside of it as well. Um there are a number of configuration issues that came up for Red Road. There's a taper which takes away some property. So there's this is why green area exists also on the inside but we don't actually require it. Um but still

527
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it meets all the requirements. We have the four feet on the outside. We have the seven foot sidewalk around the project. Um we have again this project has gone through a number of iterations. We've worked with this quite extensively. Um but on 66th and 64th party road and

528
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64th which is a county road. Um this will have curbon gutter and landscape on the outside to protect pedestrians and at least a six foot path pedestrian path on the inside. Six feet is what we require for the rest of the city. As we

529
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move to the back, there are some uh we've been working with the applicant. There are some changes that are related to landscaping. I'll get to the landscaping in a few slides, but the applicant will be profering the consideration of actually creating more

530
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of a single family section on the 57th Court side. So it may be a valley gutter, something neat and clean, not like the usual swale and street, but something that would not have a curb. And the reason to do that is we're going to we're and again I'll get to that in a few slides, but there are some

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discussions about retaining more of the tree canopy that is existing canopy rather than replacing it. And that's apparently going to be a necessity to have that swale area a little larger to try to retain some of those trees. So it would be six. So, no matter what,

532
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we'll have a six-foot sidewalk, but it may be a swale section in the back. And that may be something that's an interesting idea because it's it's similar to what's across the street for the single family houses and may create a street section that looks more residential.

533
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Um, for open space, this um this does meet the open space as well. Um 10% of a lot is required. Just under 11% is provided. Again, it's all linear open space with the exception of on the 57th court side, there is a a public plaza

534
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that would be public open space. Um, and I I think as a gesture to the neighborhood, this is something that breaks up the mass a little more and provides an amenity for the neighborhood if they choose to use it. Right now is programmed with a a dog walk or a dog run area

535
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um for landscaping. So, this is the plan uh as it stands and as it's in your package. We've had a number of discussions with this applicant. Uh first of all, it meets all of our landscape requirements as far as the trees that are being planted all around the project. And again, we have them

536
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mostly in that landscape area to protect pedestrians and also give the tree enough room and for the canopy to grow next to the building. Um there are a number of mahogies on the back side. There's a live oak on the red road side and there's a strangler fig on the

537
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inside. We've had a number of discussions more recently about trying to save some of those trees rather than relocate or rather than um remove them. Uh those are still ongoing and I believe again the applicant will be profering

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part of the development agreement that will work with that process to see what trees we can remove. So the landscape plan may change but it would be in the in the effect of keeping more of the trees that are there and most of the trees on the back are mahogies.

539
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Um for building height, this complies with our code as well. Um we have a sixtory uh envelope on the front that we can go to and it is six stories. It's underneath the actual roof height and that would go for 125 ft in from Red

540
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Road because this is a 200 foot deep block. So to preserve the 75 ft on the west side by the neighbor by single family side it gives them 125 ft of sixtory and then the last 75 ft come down to three story. Uh again it's

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within the height requirements and this this application also programs private open space for the residents as well with some amenities on the top. Again, there's been a lot of work the amenities to make sure that those amenities are quiet amenities. So, would not be

542
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disturbing uh to the single family neighborhoods. So, it's there were once fedel courts, I believe, and those are gone. It's just more of a swimming pool, stunning areas, and things like that that are relatively quiet. um for building building location

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massing and form. Again, we start getting into something that's a little more um you know judgmental, but we have gone through all of the criteria that are in the code for the building form. This does meet them all. Um the building coverage is consistent. 80% is

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permitted, 79.6 is provided. The building frontage on the block faces meets the requirements. All the floor plates up through number four are consistent with what's required and our build to and setbacks horizontal building variation the dimensions of all

545
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that are fully met. Um we are again I think I'll I'll get wait till the architectural slide but we are also working with the applicant still to make some changes on the surface scoring on stuckos and colors to present that building a little more u a little more

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articulated. The one thing that is the standout is that the floor plate above the fourth floor does not meet our criteria. So we have a limit on the anything above the fourth floor in the TSDDD zoning district for all of it, not depending on sub areas. Um that was

547
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designed to control tower massing. So when this was being done in the TSD, we worked on a lot of ways to generically without getting the skin and the architecture control tower massing. and we decided on 20,000 square feet. So I'm

548
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going to say right now before I get to the variance that was always intended for towers. We didn't actually for we should have foreseen but we didn't actually do that for the six-story buildings uh except for one particular set of

549
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criterias. Again the architectural standards we are continuing to work with the applicant and I believe they will be profering a development agreement uh condition that they will continue to work with that and and look at the skin and the colors and the stuckco and some of these effects that are more on the

550
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surface of the building. Um but anyway the the building uh will be looking to attain a lead silver certification. Um the wind the window glazing which we measure horizontally and we measure it differently for different floors meets all of the requirements and the garage

551
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screening which again we have worked extensively with this uh does meet the requirements and in fact the screening moves a little bit so it's not all flat it's been divided into three panels and the application the applicant has to they will be submitting this for the AIP

552
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process so the design that's on there is more of a placeholder So we have a variance for the fifth and sixth floors. We have five variance criteria. I'm going to go through them as quickly as I can. But the first criteria is that the variance is necessary to relieve a particular

553
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extraordinary condition. Um the condition is not exactly a unique condition. It doesn't need to be. But it is extraordinary not because of the land. And this is one thing that we struggled with because what we're really trying to accomplish. have a technicality that we didn't intend but

554
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we have to get through it through variance. Um but what happens on this particular property is we have a number of things come together having to do with our zoning code and our zoning code affects these these TSNA properties at the edges

555
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or all the properties limit six stories more or less the same. However, when we get to certain dimensions and certain areas and certain uses in our code, we cannot break up that mass without going to a variance. When this first came in, I'll explain a little bit of the

556
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history. We require this um this change this maximum of 20,000 square feet for a floor plate. And floor plate was our definition. Floor plate is a definition that can also be used for the division between a garage floor plate and the

557
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residential area floor. habitable areas. Um, going through the building, the habitable area to the north is about 13,000 square ft. The habitable area, the garage, I'm sorry, is about 21,000 square ft. So, it would potentially fall

558
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under a waiver. And then the last uh residential area, those floor plates are 26,000 square feet, 24,000, excuse me. Um we all we going through this process we realized that having the garage connected at each level to each

559
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residential area is a more safe and secure position which more or less emphasized our position that we we had a technicality to overcome and this is a lot of what this variance is about. But in any case our extraordinary conditions are not so much the land but the way we

560
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vertically treat these buildings in the TSNA. We have um yeah so we have a number of properties where this would affect but on this particular property because of the use

561
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so we had allowed for a waiver to excuse the floor plate under certain conditions with mixeduse buildings and office buildings and that has been accomplished already in another application. in this application because it was a use that really came along a little later. It's

562
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residential in its nature. It cannot apply for the same waiver. So, same condition, different zoning requirement, different criteria. And that's really where we found the somewhat more unique condition. >> What project was that? I'm sorry, just so you can remind us. >> That would be Med Square.

563
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>> Med Square. So, the one north of the last parcel we discussed, correct? >> So, that's at about 40,000 square feet per plate >> and It's on the 5th of >> Can I just just again I'm sorry to interrupt your presentation but I'm just curious as we're you're on the subject. I mean isn't that isn't that just a

564
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recognition that typically in my experience there's a vast difference between the maximum size of a commercial floor plate and a residential floor plate above a certain level. The market typically builds to a much smaller size. So I'm not sure if it's you know

565
02:44:09.760 --> 02:44:27.200
arbitrary in that regard. Okay. I mean, I understand it's it's treating it's treating uses differently, but it is recognizing that there is um established commercial practice. It's very different by by use. I don't typically see buildings that have there

566
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are rare exceptions. Um the site is pretty I'd say the site here is more unique than the distinction between the uses in this analysis. I mean, this is this is a pretty atypically long site. for for South Miami, we don't typically

567
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see a block that's platted as one track of this size with this kind of a dimension. Uh at least not in my experience, at least in three and a half years sitting up here. So, it's I don't I'm not sure that I agree with the the characterization of the basis for denial. But

568
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>> well, it's actually a basis to for the acceptance of their >> understood. Understood. But I mean I guess the hardship being that you're saying that are having a uh >> it's arbitrary in its treatment >> allowing allowing uses that are not not

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residential >> to obtain a variance versus uses that are residential is an improper basis for distinguishing. That's what I understand you're saying. >> Have not established what that difference is at least in our code. >> Okay.

570
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>> Okay. I thought the reason we had a floor plate delimiter that was different for residential was because it's customary to see floor plates for residential that are smaller than for commercial uses. Anyhow, again, I try to stay purposely ignorant

571
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about our code because it allows me to be a client and not a lawyer. >> But if I'm confusing principles, u I appreciate you clarifying. >> Yeah. I mean the other situation is a mixed use with office which is fairly

572
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specific. Um it would actually not apply to anything different other than a mixed use with an office. So we're looking at that and trying to say we'd actually like to cure that condition in our code um so that any building would have the

573
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same access in terms of form and not having to look at the use before we decide on the form. Um so that that's where the analysis is coming from. We just have a difference not only in the vert in the treatment of the vertical building and this is where this slide

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was going where we treat the fourth floor one way the fifth floor and sixth floor are different but the fourth floor still has the constraint of only going to a point in the project 75 ft from the neighborhood. So we have a difference in the way we treat fourth with fifth and

575
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sixth and we have a difference between properties depending on the use. which at this point at least as we have written it in our code because we don't we don't we don't provide that reason um

576
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is viewed as arbitrary. Okay. Um so again I mean the hard to begin is just that it is confiscatory in that we're treating these two these conditions differently both in the vertical which is all their property not

577
02:47:22.640 --> 02:47:38.960
really confiscatory but treating buildings across the city or not across the downtown in a different manner based on their uses. Um so the whether it's a a condition of the

578
02:47:38.960 --> 02:47:56.800
owner's uh action I think it is. However, we also recognize that the owner has done something. I mean of course they designed the project but the owner has determined that they in trying to follow the heart of what we wanted to do. They wanted the garage on the red

579
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road side, which I think complicated their project as opposed if it was in the corner or on a side street. Um, so I think they're reacting to our desires and it came out to a situation where these floor plates made more sense to

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have them connect into the garage and not have a space between them, at least on the fifth and sixth floor. And finally, um, the request would be the minimum because it's not any larger than the fourth floor. Fifth, sixth, and fourth floors are approximately the

581
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same. I mean, there's a few square feet difference. Um, so it is it's not going bigger. It's just the same thing. And um, the variance wouldn't really create a building that's inconsistent because we still allow a six-story building. It still has the transition to three

582
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stories and it doesn't create any detriment to the public welfare that you know to the extent that somebody could say there is a detriment it wouldn't be any more than not having that condition imposed. I don't think I said that right but

583
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there's no there's no delta on that. There's no in other words having the spaces and h not having the spaces we would view in this project as not having a significant difference um to the the neighborhood. And those would be our five findings for the variance.

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So we uh as a staff level we do recommend the approval of large scale special exception with uh the conditions in the development agreement or the requirements in the development agreement to continue working with the surface and to continue working with the

585
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um retaining more of the existing trees that are on the site. And one other condition I haven't mentioned, I know that they are still working with the Department of Transportation um because their left turn lane into the property from Red Road that they applied for a permit for also they have been

586
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requested and we would agree with it to extend the left turn bay going to Hardy Road from Red Road. So I know they're continuing to work with that and we would include that as well that they would continue with that along what we have been told that they're going to accomplish

587
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and uh DOT won't permit them pretty much until they do that. So it's more and then to recommend we recommend acceptance of the requested variance for the fifth and sixth floors for the floor plates.

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I know there'll be questions >> colleagues questions who want to start okay Mr. Vice Mayor floor is yours. >> I just had a question. the 79% lock coverage. Does that include the um

589
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interior courtyards or it's just the the entire exterior of the building has 79. >> It's just what's it? It does not include the courtyards. >> Okay. >> Because courtyards go to ground level. >> It's just surprising. It seems like it's more but okay.

590
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>> It fills out a little more towards the perimeters of the property because the courtyards don't count. >> Okay. >> If those were one level up then it would be part of the building's footprint and it would be part of the coverage. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Further questions.

591
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>> Yes, you're recognized commission. >> Okay. In all the words that you said, sorry I totally verbose. Um you mentioned that they are working. Oh

592
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my god, it was like mind-numbing. Um but In what you mentioned, you say that they're working on the facade still and that is going to be tied to the development agreement. Did I understand that correctly? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> Not in a way that changes the form. We

593
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do regulate the form. We don't regulate the paint and the colors and the stuckco scoring that we're trying to accomplish to just give the visual appearance of more in the building. >> Yeah. Because I mean for for clarification for all everybody it went

594
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from sorry guys I'm sorry because I'm going to say this but it went from looking like prison to looking >> institutional is a better word for that maybe >> but you're just kinder than I am >> institutional is very nice. >> So it went from looking like a prison >> had a lot of penistration now defen a

595
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lot more defenistration before. >> Oh god please. I'm going to kill all of you. Um, and then we we saw some movement on the building >> with and we're trying to get just a little bit better on the facade so that it's a prettier thing. While we're doing

596
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that in the front, can anybody pop up what the back will look like because that's what the residents are going to be seeing. I mean, I may make me sound like a jerk, but how do I say this? Nice. I think the front is great. I think the front is

597
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beautiful. >> You're more focused on South Miami than Cor. >> Exactly. I couldn't care less what people Coral Gables are seeing. I want to know what my people are seeing. And so if we're working on making the front more attractive, maybe we can make it

598
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work for the back as well because if I lived behind there, I want it to look nice for my house, too. So, >> Commissioner, do you want to do you want to see the rendering as it >> Yeah. Can we pop up the back? I don't have it ready to >> Oh, wait. >> Is there something about the rendering you're concerned about?

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>> Commissioner Cory is showing it to me. Well, if you look at the rendering in the back, it's very similar to the rendering in the front. So, if we are doing that in the front, let's make it prettier all the way around. Like I say all the time, it costs the same to make

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an ugly building as it does to make a pretty building. So >> the back is renderings A906 0708 >> I we're seeing them. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So that that's why I'm saying if you look at this it's very much

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mimicking as a building would the front to the back. So what I'm saying is as we work on the front which I have every hope that we'll come to something that's beautiful considering who's working on it.

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We do the same to the back. >> So, so just so I'm clear, you would want the facade modified on the rear as well. >> As we are fac modifying the front facade, >> I think it would benefit to have the

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back facade mimic that. If not, we have like party and you know, beautiful in the front and in the back. So I I felt that same way with the earlier illustration of the uh rear facade.

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Um I think this is a whole lot better. Um and not to reuse a word that I already used which is intensity. I think the problem with the front facade is that the I mean this block is I think it's different than med square

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is probably twice as long as med square >> in terms of its one linear dimension right >> and so when you have a building I don't care what size it is that's six stories >> at 400 ft long right it feels super intense right

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>> here because the scale is much lower I think the intensity is diminished so I think the architectural problem is tougher on the front to resolve for that reason. I don't know. We'll hear from the public. I just didn't know if you felt that that it's exactly the same condition. I don't feel it's exactly the

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same condition for that reason that they if they want to I mean certainly want to see people invest more money and improve the articulation of the facade if they can, right? I just want to give you the goal with changing the swale, the goal with >> trying to preserve the trees on that frontage, the goal with trying to make

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sure that those units kind of mimic the the rhythm of the single family neighborhood is so that it's more harmonious, but I don't know that the architectural expression should necessarily be the same >> when you consider what we saw. And I

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thought it was and that's why it really came to mind when you look at the last project that we saw and how they were treating that space so that they it did look like different pieces. It did it the same length that you have in the front you have in the back. So just

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because you're adding more height to it doesn't um simul like I don't know how do you say that word in English. No, but here here there isn't I mean again not trying to argue anyone's point and Mr. Sugar. I'm sure we'll make a do a

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good job of it. But remember, there's a a difference in this in that there is a physical break in the building, >> the dog >> because there is the courtyard, right? Whatever it's called, dog park, courtyard, whatever it is, right? There is that open area. So, the building is the the advantage that the advantage

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that we've given to the residential side is our insistence on having that green space express itself on the west >> as opposed to the east. that the building is effectively fractured at the center. Right. >> I I agree. >> So again, it's if there I think there

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are if there are specific items are of concern, I would just say let's share them with staff so they can maybe iterated further when it goes back to DRV. >> You know, I >> I don't I don't I'm just concerned about saying it's a straight one for one if it's done on the front side. >> No, I I'm not saying it's a one for one,

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but what I'm saying is people clarity of direction. >> Do Yeah. due consideration for the back needs to be taken as well because once we modify the front we don't want them to look completely different and I I have every faith that architectonica

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could make this look amazing and our director Sudami will work with him to make sure that it looks amazing. I just say whatever treatment we do we should do it where it faces our residents as well. >> Agree. We've had a lot more conversation. So, I'll I'll reserve my

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rebuttal for after the presentation. So, >> uh and hearing from the public. Further questions? >> Nope. Okay. So, why don't we hear from the applicant then we will open up for public remarks? Mr. Garcia, good evening. >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the

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commission. My name is Mario Garcia Sra with offices at 600 Bickl Avenue here this evening representing Subtex Acquisitions LLC. the applicant and contract purchaser for the property located at 64046504

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Southwest 57th Avenue. Subtex is one of the nation's leading developers and operators of student housing in the United States and consistent with the recently adopted tsd and uh student housing regulations.

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Subtext is proposing a six-story 240 unit student housing building with a small cafe on the ground level. Uh this project has undergone a rigorous city review process and we have been responsive to the many requests which have been made to us over the course of

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the project review. While the process has been demanding, we do feel that it has led to a better project and a project which addresses community concerns. Uh, with that said, I'll ask Ryan Bump from Subtext to come up and

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walk you through uh the proposed plans. >> Good evening. Welcome. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners. I am Ryan Bum with the applicant. Um, first I'd like to thank uh Mark

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staff uh planning board DRC. We've gotten a lot of collaboration from uh the city, a lot of input and I think as as noted uh the designs come a long way, the projects come a long way to meet the

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city's needs and um so I think we appreciate and uh like where we've gotten to this point. Um as everything evolved with the design, we were focused on three areas. the residential feel of

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the town homes was a core focus of ours as as the design evolved. Um reducing the amenity on the fourth floor and screening and you know being conscious of the impact that that might have on the neighborhood behind it and then the

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sidewalk and pedestrian experience and safety as you circulate around the property. Um the site as noted was um on 57th. And the what we really like about it, aside from being across the

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street from the university, um the proximity to the light rail and proximity to uh downtown South Miami and all the retail and shops on 72nd and 57th. Um it really has everything that

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we're looking for in a property. Um, as noted, we are at 240 units, 772 bedrooms, and 373 parking stalls. So, we are fully compliant with the uh density

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requirements for the site. Um, with the um public and private bicycle parking, we're at 249 stalls. Um, and that includes um uh mobility, scooter, and ebike parking spots as well. and public

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open space. Uh we've been able to achieve over 13,000 square feet of public open space around the property. Here is the ground floor. Um a as noted really a driver of the entire design was

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an effort to keep the access off Southwest 57th and keep everything away from the neighborhood on uh 57th Court. So the primary vehicular access um is located there mid block. We also have

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the um lobby and cafe entrances that are on 57th as well. You can see here as noted we've got trash uh loading parcel car share. All of that is offsite and accessed by

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Southwest 57. So reducing any impact to the surrounding neighborhood as much as possible. And all of these are fully compliant with the with the code. Um, another kind of big change that was made as the plan developed is we were

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really focused on providing as much sidewalk um and landscape buffer as possible on the site. So, as things evolved, we were able to uh provide an 11oot sidewalk uh minimum around the site consisting of 7 foot clear path and

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the 4ft landscape buffer. And then as you go to the northeast corner uh down 57th, we were able to achieve a 14 foot sidewalk profile with 10 foot minimum clear. And this is the direction and the path of travel that we would anticipate

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for a lot of our residents who are going to be walking from the property to campus. Here is a look at the um the renderings. So, the exterior design has evolved

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significantly. Um, so we've gotten a lot of really good input, giving a little more movement to that facade, more variation, color. Um, we've bumped out the balconies and created these sections that give it a little bit more

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horizontal breaks. Um, we've added additional glazing. So, that's a significant change from when this was first proposed uh even to planning board the first time around. So you can see we've expanded the size of

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windows um throughout all of those balcony stacks and um achieve the zoning requirements for glazing on all levels. Um zooming into the garage, this was another area of focus for refinement and

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improvement. So, we've separated the garage vertically into these three sections to reduce the scale of them. We've added these kind of folds into them just to provide that uh additional variation. Um, and then we really

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focused on what does that ground level pedestrian experience feel like as you're walking by the garage. So, we've completely screened the garage with the exception of the drive entrance itself and really focused on landscaping and lighting and what that pedestrian

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experience looks like as well as maximizing the width of the sidewalk as much as possible. >> A quick question on this point. So, just is the corrugated metal being continued down to the ground floor plane and is that the screening element for the garage behind it? How >> No, it's a that's a different material

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that provides. So, there's a concrete break um at the bottom of the garage. >> Yep. >> And that's uh more more of like a softer landscaping style screening uh different material there. >> Is that wood or what's the what's what are you what are you guys contemplating? >> Uh it's not defined yet.

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>> Okay. >> What's the what's the range of options you think that would be practical to execute there? >> I think for that uh square footage of area I think we would be open to anything. >> Okay. >> Something softer like a like a wood tone or something like that would be

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completely achievable. Okay. Um, here we go to the south elevation and you see the step down uh as noted, but you can also start to see that uh amenity deck on level four and we've really focused on screening as much as

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possible and you can start to see how much landscaping is up on that deck uh in an effort to provide that screening. uh we have added additional bumpouts and variation to this facade as well. And here you can see where we've transitioned from, you know, the taller

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building has a certain architectural language and we start to transition to our town home typology as you move over. So the the balcony treatment there on the right is slightly different than the treatment for the threetory section on

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the left. here is the um the threetory design and where it's evolved to. So, it has gone through extensive, you know, feedback and modifications. Um so, we've really improved the

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scaling, the vertical brakes to provide that town home scale, focused on the facade detailing, and added some additional color variation. This is where we were at uh two or three months ago. Um So you can see it's much

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more horizontal. Uh not nearly as much detailing. Uh you can see the activity up on the level four deck. Uh we have a pedel court as shown here. This is where we've ended up. Um much

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more rich uh detailing across and color variation. Gotten rid of the pedel court and added that additional screening which has caused you can't see that level four amenity deck when you're from the ground level.

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Um here's a plan view of the amenity deck. So previously on the left side of the screen there was a pedel court um some barbecue and additional gathering spaces. We've removed that um based on concerns that we heard um and then

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reduced the size of the amenity deck in that area. And then you can see the the rim of green across the whole thing. That's uh landscape planters that buffer the entire length of the deck. Here you can start to see what that

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screening does. And when you're um in this area of that amenity deck, that's that's over six feet between the wall and the planters. You're you're over six feet of screening. So you cannot see anything from the um residential homes

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below. Um we did want to provide an update on the kind of community outreach that we did early on in the project. So back in December, we did hold the um community meeting. We had about 25 individuals who

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attended that and we heard a lot of the concerns. A lot of what we heard at that time revolved around uh security and traffic service vehicles um and the amenity deck. The you know it was a big

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driver for why we put the entrance where we did. It's been a big driver for why we kind of increase the amount of screening and landscape for that amenity deck. And then for that amenity deck as well. uh we're willing to commit to a 10 p.m. cut off time and close that deck

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down so that it's not disruptive to the neighbors. Um, additionally, feedback we heard um was with regards to job creation. So, we we've worked with JMA, who's our general contractor, to have them set up a job fair when we get a little closer to

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construction. And then they're also going to use a best efforts to make outreach specifically to trades subcontractors who work in South Miami and connect to the workers who reside in South Miami and make sure we make best

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efforts to reach out to them, make sure they're aware of open positions and employment needs and um just give them the best opportunity to be a part of the project. And then once we're up and operational, uh we'll do the same thing for the property for permanent positions as well.

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Um the tenants who are on site uh most of the properties have been vacated. The owners of the property had already had the plan to exit out of the housing programs that they've been a part of prior to our involvement in the project.

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So that was all sort of in process. So there are 14 remaining tenants who are on site currently. Um, we've engaged Miami Homes for All who is a local uh housing services provider. Uh, they they

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provide support, feedback, guide people through the process of finding that rel relocation housing and comparable relocation housing is really what what we want for these people. Um, so we're actually providing 50,000 um for

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relocation assistance. Um, we've upped that a little bit to provide as much support as possible for Miami Homes for All to help with that relocation assistance. Um, and then we're continuing outreach on behalf of the tenants to Miami date Housing Authority and just trying to

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make this as seamless as a a process as possible. >> Just on this slide, um, first of all, thank you for connecting Margot with Miami Homes for All. Um, I think it was a good investment of your resources to help with that transition. I The people

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I had heard from all had vouchers. The the interesting I had was they just needed assistance with their rent deposits for their next apartment. Was that the majority of the tenant mix? Was it most mostly all possessed vouchers? What I would love some more color into

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that issue. It was um it was a not it was a majority of uh HUD vouchers and moderate rehab and market rate. So I think there was maybe 20% market rate

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and then the remainder were uh mod rehab >> 14 mod rehab and then the voucher. >> Okay. And and the 14 that are remaining are they the mod rehab? >> Correct. >> Okay. Yeah. >> And so they they they they do not have any guaranteed housing assistance for the transition. >> Not yet. >> Not yet.

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>> Yeah. So their their leases expire on uh September 5th. >> Okay. >> And we have we're fully intending to honor them. We're creating our whole plan around those dates. Um >> where are they where are they located on the site? >> Um there's two buildings in the

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northwest corner. Okay. >> And one building in the southwest corner. >> Okay. Um, so it's kind of both ends of the site. So, we've already worked with the contractor to have a plan that we can allow them to stay in place um through the end of their lease and have all of

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the same services and um protection that they have now. >> Okay. And so those are the folks that you're trying to connect with uh my media housing authority to possibly get some voucher assistance. >> Yes. So, the typical process is uh um anywhere between 45 to 60 days prior to

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the end of your lease that you start to get uh that voucher for or accept it into a new property with Miami Homes for All where the intent is to expedite that to where they have that assurance much earlier. >> Okay.

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By the way, if if you're going to speak, come on up. That's fine. Just uh name and address for the record, please. Thank you. No problem. Uh Matt Swedenberg with the developer. I was just going to say each of those mod rehab units uh Miami date has already submitted the voucher request to HUD and

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so those are in process and they're just waiting on HUD to issue the vouchers. >> They're they're going to convert the mod rehab assistance to vouchers for those individual >> tenants. Section 8 vouchers. >> Yeah, that's fine. Thank you for the clarification. >> Any other questions on that? >> No, sorry to um

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>> important issue. The the last thing Mark laid out the variance issue. We just wanted to share I guess our view of it and when you talk about where where's the value to the city of this 20,000 square foot floor plate requirement. Uh

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the image on the left is an example of building a tower without that requirement where you can just have, you know, your podium and a box that goes all the way up with the intent of the floor plate limitation to cause

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something more of a break like you see on the right. And our point with this is just it doesn't feel applicable to the dimensions of our site. as noted, it's it's a unusually long unusually shaped site for South

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Miami and um so just want to demonstrate where we understand the intent and where it came from um and just why it's not necessarily applicable to our site. Um and the last piece was just as noted

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it's this is the text amendment that you know would allow us to achieve what we want to achieve. So it's um a fairly minor text amendment and you know I think doesn't open up excessive opportunities in other parts of the city

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to be abused. Um so feel like it's justified for this particular site and you know still offers the protection to the city moving forward. With that I will uh let Mario close up. Thank you very much Ryan. And uh one

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more note on the issue of the of the variance. The variance I would summarize as being requested to address an unintended consequence of a floor plate requirement that is meant to address buildings which have both a pedestal and a tower. Here we have no tower. This is

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all pedestal and it is a pedestal where we can only use a portion of it for the maximum height permitted and we're all involved want parking loading and access strictly accessible from Southwest 57th Avenue. So further constraining where we could potentially put the program and

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requiring parking to go up higher than the whole coverage of the of the building on the ground level. Uh with that said, there was there's still been a few discussions with city staff in the last few days that Mark alluded to and I just wanted to discuss those uh also in

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particular having to do with tree preservation and facade improvements. Um on the issue of uh tree improvement, we were provided the city arburous report late uh last week and it identified

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certain certain trees that they recommended should remain. Uh we are willing to to make an effort on many of them to to be able to potentially preserve them on site or relocate them. And uh some language that I have here that I can pass out, which would be an

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additional amendment to the development agreement would read as follows. Developer shall make commercially reasonable best efforts to preserve the trees located along the southwest 57th Court rightway which are recommended to remain pursuant to the city arborist

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report prepared by Robert Curtis and dated April 15, 2026. The city arborist report. In the event that these trees cannot be preserved on site, new 18 foot high trees with a DBH me measurement of a minimum of 5 in will be planted along

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the southwest 57th Court rightway prior to issuance of the project's temporary certificate of occupancy. These are for the trees recommended to remain along Southwest 57th Court. There are then two other trees uh which uh we are willing to to make efforts on to uh relocate

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which is a strangler tree identified as tree number 35 in the city arborist report which shall be relocated to a city-owned property to be mutually agreed to by developer and city. And then developer is also willing uh with tree number 43 which is a live oak to

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uh root prune that for a period of three months to then determine whether it is eligible for relocation. So that's on the topic of trees. On the topic of architecture which we've discussed already and how to improve the

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facades uh we're profering a revision to section 2.3.41 41 of the development agreement which would add a sentence at the end of that provision which reads developer shall utilize commercially reasonable efforts to further study and elaborate the

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facade facing Red Road. We could potentially add Southwest 57th Court also too so as to further distinguish and differentiate each wing of the project based on coloring, finishing and details, meaning the north residential wing, the parking garage and the south

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residential wing. As was discussed during Ryan's presentation, the proposed contribution to assist with u tenant relocation has been increased from 35,000 to 50,000. And we've also agreed to a 1000 p.m. uh

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closing time, let's call it, for the amenities deck on the the roof of the third floor so as to create uh you know uh better regulate that uh that space. Your staff and all your boards that have reviewed this project have recommended approval. We ask that you also vote to

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approve this promising project which serve which will serve to fulfill your vision for this area of the city. The whole team here is available for questions and I'll reserve some time for rebuttal if necessary. Thank you. >> Got questions? Please go ahead. Just

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questions. Let's keep the comments to the end. >> Oh, I just have a question because I'm staring at it. This fenced in area that we're seeing on the screen will will also have an open and close time >> and well it's going to be subject to an easement in favor of the city and we

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think what would be appropriate is probably sunrise to sun down is the open time as is common I think with city parks. >> I agree. I think that's a a good idea. You don't you don't want that just open at all times. test >> that if that's if that's a condition I

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would just suggest um because I had I had similar a question. So there's a I think it's 2362 of the development agreement speaks to public access and times when it's open accessible to the public. You just might want to modify it

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or remove it without modification. 2362 is the section of the VA. further comments or questions on the same topic while we're on it. In terms of public access again, the way

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the image is I think very nice. Uh the only problem is that to the uninformed member of the public, it reads like it's private space. And so what signage requirements? This is a question to the applicant andor the city attorney. Do we have that would help any member of the

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public understand that that I think it's style the public dog run a dog run or dog park would be available to um any member of the public to um access. So I don't know if you're contemplating signage to that effect or whether we need some sort of a signage requirement

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in in section 236. Right. >> Yeah. the the signage that's shown up there is probably not appropriate for that particular spot and that can be replaced with something to the extent >> I think you're just trying to illustrate the condition but I also want to make sure that we don't forget that because

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if the intention is for people who are in the neighborhood to be able to use it it's got a signal visually that it's a place that's also available to them. So, >> okay. >> Further questions, comments? >> We're asking questions after public comments.

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>> Uh questions now. We'll have comments after public comment. >> Questions after, >> please. Yeah. >> Okay. Can we go to page 13, please? >> Page uh 13 of the presentation. >> Yeah. Presentation. >> Which one's 13? What's the top? >> Keep going. Keep going.

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>> Three more. >> There you go. There you go. That's perfect. So what do what do you have on the amendity deck here on the bottom left hand side? Why is it grayed out? Is there is it >> that's right right now that well that will be empty space that there is no

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that that was a previous location of the padel and uh you know the rocket court sort of area which after considerable comments from planning board from the public and so forth we have eliminated. So that will just be a roof area at this point. >> Just flat concrete roof, no access.

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>> Correct. >> Okay. Sir, could you clarify a question the vice mayor and I are having a side side call on, which is uh the interior courtyards, they count as open space,

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correct? Because they go all the way to the ground, not as public open space, but they count as open for for lot coverage purposes. So I I think the the vice mayor was trying to get some clarity as to how they are achieving only 79% lot

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coverage. My my calculation it's the exterior open space, the public open space which is at the edges, >> the dog run which is also public open space and then the private open space which is the courtyards >> that go all the way to the ground. That that basically is how they're getting

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only to a 79% lot coverage. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. >> Thank you, Mayor. >> Um, you we stated the comments about uh the the public's wanting of usage of job fairs and and

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and everything associated with that. So we with other development agreements and opportunities, we've had placements through the city where you know I'm just giving you a suggestion on how we can fulfill this. We have a job board. You they'll have your subcontractors and contractors submit all their positions

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including operations from your guys perspective into this public domain that we have and it's not only for here but it goes all the way across uh Miami date county but we specifically cater to South Miami residents and that's a good way for you guys to actually get that out there. Definitely the name again's

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job board. >> I don't remember. >> It's Miami Works. It's um you you probably met Willie Porro. Used to work at C Miami now works by county. I think he's running our >> What's the name of it again? >> It's I think it's Miami Works or Miami Dade Works now is the name of >> It's Workforce Now.

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>> Workforce Now. Yeah. Sorry. >> Yeah. Our contractor, they've already pointed that out as something that they would want to use. Um I don't think they've used it before. So any help to get that set up? >> We'll help out with it's I mean it's important. So I think if we could just if you don't mind a condition where we

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just are are required to connect you with your and your contractor with uh these programs and you can have some sort of at least an agreement >> so that you would have a referral relationship in terms of job opportunities. That would be great. Um, lastly, can we go over the tree

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allocation because you you rammed off the numbers real quick and I just want to understand uh what the trees are that you're planning to potentially best best case scenario try to keep and and looking at the tree scenarios

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specifically on the landscape plan. L >> Commissioner, do you want to bring up Miss Cabera to to identify the trees that she's trying to encourage them to preserve? I think those are the ones that are subject to the profered condition. Correct. >> Correct. >> Yeah.

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So basically there development services director. They're the street trees on the 57th court side. >> All of them. All of them. >> Pretty much all of them. >> Okay. >> And there are two trees that are on site. There's one on the uh southeast

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corner which is the oak, right? >> 43. And then there's a fig tree that's on the side and that's the one that they've already committed to relocating. >> That's 35. >> It's 35. >> Yeah. >> How about the trees on the north side? >> On the north side. >> There's some on the north side um that

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are also being kept. But our big concern was that the 57th Courtside really was going to lose pretty much all the trees because of the street um curbon gutter condition. So we've discussed about not having the curbon gutter and having more of a swale so that we could salvage all

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those trees. Um there's just some civil issues that need to be looked at, but um we've gotten a commitment from them of trying to work around all the trees on the 57th Court end. It just seems like you have pretty healthy trees with good canopy that'll

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help your students with shade cover on the north side of the project on 64th Street, Hardy Street. I mean, you have oaks, you have all that stuff and it's on the median facing on the street. Um, so Ramy, if you can look at that and and see determine if it's possible. I I I

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just think it's it's already there. It's not in your way. You know, you put up a fence, it's not going to be a big deal for you guys. And it's pretty mature trees, good shape. So, just look at that because I was looking at all the X's on the landscape plan and it's a lot of trees and they're mostly on the medians all the way on the exterior of the

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properties. Um, which seems like we could just reuse like we don't have to get rid of those. >> Um, >> so on the north side there's already a curb and gutter. So, I don't think the north side was as problematic as a 57 court site, but I'll take a look at that more closely with our >> look at it. I'm sure you I'm sure you

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know what what we what we're all looking for there. Um, the last question I had was I mean going back to the to to what what the elevation drawings were on the rear on 57 the court to what it is now.

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I think it's a dramatic difference. I mean, I think that what you have this big facade on the front side and I think they've done a decent job of masking that and you know, you have the backside and what you want is a symbiotic kind of way of getting everything together where

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the flows and the and how it's all together with the balconies and all that. I think that it's a lot better. Um, I mean, I'm not I'm not one I'm not an architect, right? Like that's not that's not my domain. I don't do designs on that. I think it looks good. Um I

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think on the backside and I'll leave it up to our residents to tell me, you know, I care what Michelle says. She lives right there, right? So Michelle, you'll come up in a little bit. You tell me what you think about this project. Um because it matters to me. But um I think

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it looks good. I think that the opportunities of removing traffic and and uh having everything on the 57 side has its pros and its cons, right? I mean, having having all the entrances on 57th Avenue, I'm not going to lie, it's going to increase traffic on 57th

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dramatically. And what happens there is that people are going to try to bypass 57th. They're going to go down 57th Court and etc, etc, etc. So, you know, you have your pros and your cons. Um, you know, this is a massive building for what we were used to. So, it's something

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that we're going to have to learn, get better. I've told I've told you guys before that traffic situations, crosswalks, and the ability to have a >> questions. Remember questions? >> No, this is a comment. >> I know. So, let's save them for later. Let's hear from the public first. >> That's what I was.

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>> That's what I was clarifying before. I was letting it go for a little while, but I don't we're it's 10:30 talk that much. >> I know. That's why I'm surprised. >> Okay, I'll >> Okay, so we'll we'll we're gonna we're going to close uh our round of questions here. Um, I'll save my questions and

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comments for later. Let's open up the forum to members of the public. Any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on items six, seven, or eight, you're welcome to come forward at this time. >> And anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand. >> Mr. recognized. Please come forward.

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>> It is late here. Um, thank you all so much for allowing me to come up here. This um project is really dear to my heart right now. Um right now kind of saddens and it's heavy to me because of the fact that I've lived here over 60

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years at this same residence off and on because I did move out and come back. But I don't feel as though this project fits our residence. We It's more like a commercial instead of another part of a a residential. I can't see myself coming

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out of my front door and looking out at this and um Commissioner Bonish, you may have said it, but I said the same thing as if I have just come into Fort Knox because we have nothing but this concrete and and and and and Matt, I love you because you did take time to

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talk with me and I appreciate that, but this is too large of a project as far as the concrete is concerned to be right at the edge of the last street in this community. I get up and I can't see anything. There's no sun. It's blocked

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everything that I'm accustomed to the apartments across the street. I welcome the well the apartments were there and I knew that I can look through the apartments, receive some wind, some sun, some something. I didn't have to deal with anybody on a balcony outside. Everything was on the inside where the

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parking now I would have to possibly deal with people outside on the balcony. I know everybody do their own thing. I don't want to have to wake up and see people out sunning and seeing all kind of stuff that I don't want to see. I don't think that fits this community and the people that I've spoken with last

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year, last week I was on a trip. So, the people that were there, I invited them to come. We're not happy with this project. We don't feel that this project fits our community. Um, I also want to say just we have, like you said, to the

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right on 66, we still have Redwood Commons. to the left down is called chloristers apartment. They just added some more on 57 Terrace. We have the VA. We have more than enough um student housing. Then we

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need another one here. Why hasn't anybody gone over to the University of of Miami across 57th to see if there was something that they were there? Because they wouldn't have it. They're not going to allow something in their neighborhood. And it's no disrespect to any of you all. I don't think you all

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would have that in front of your door and you open up with your children. We have kids on that resident that they have their bikes and sometime they go across the street and they enjoy riding and walking around the block there. I just feel that this is too large of a of

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a project here for us to have also the people that are there. Our community was close-knit community. We have residents that's been over there for years and now to have to uproot root them and allow them to go somewhere else. I don't think it's fair. We still need housing here in

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South Miami. Why couldn't it just be redone and where people that live here can stay here and have it? So that's my thing. I'm not happy with it. The people of South Miami, the area is not happy with it and we hope that it does not pass. Thank you. >> Michelle, before you go, I have a question for you because obviously

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you've been involved for years. So, and and as my appointee to the planning board for a while. So, >> I know that you I mean you you went through this process with us when we were kind of ushering through um these zoning changes, right, that we

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started >> before all of us got here. I think probably Commissioner Court was the only one that was at the inception since he kind of fathered it. But I guess, you know, and and I've said to the developer, I look at student housing as the naturally occurring form of housing given where we are

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>> around um around the university. >> And it's just it's just the nature of where we are in the market. It's not, you know, if I could tell someone, don't build student housing, you know, um, we actually, the manager and I have, we had a site, our inspection site, we had a student housing developer out of Los

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Angeles approach us about joint venturing on a on a acquisition of a neighboring site >> and our property to build student housing. We're like, we're not interested. Again, I'm not offended by student housing, but I don't need to do anything to encourage it to your point, I think, is what you're trying to say.

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What were you envisioning would be built when you were on the planning board uh on and and we were all considering these zoning changes? Like what were you what were your expectations? I mean because I I will be honest. >> Are you just excuse me specifically talking about where I am now? >> Where you are right now? Yes. I was

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envisioning that we would have better housing that we could have had town houses there where it was not just one long area that the people it could have been re um what can I say it could have been um redone we could have had more

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you know update and modern things that were put there. I I don't I don't not say I don't like the housing. Even where Retro Comments, I'm fine because it's not in front of someone's residence. Even over the one down the street, it's not in front of someone's residence.

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That's my whole thing. And it's blocking up everything. We can't see anything. But I was envisioning that we would because I know progress has to continue. But I was hoping that it will be other the same housing I mean areas but a better looking model and style of

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housing and not a campus or I would say a student apartment. So I'm welcoming having that there but just this particular project I'm not happy with. >> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the clarification. Thank you. >> Anyone else would like to address this

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commission in public remarks? Good evening. >> Good evening. >> Royal Highness. Um, Frank Welsh. >> Frank's a friend, so >> you guys can pick which one I'm talking about. I know. >> Uh, Frank Welsh, 6511 Southwest 57 Place. Grew up in the neighborhood. Uh,

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lived my whole life with the South Miami Senior High. Family owned a business for 50 years on the corner of Bird and Red. Um, no relations to Bob Welsh. Um, I bought a house, been living there for a while. Um, this project is It doesn't fit. If you look at the picture that

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they put up there, there's a blob and then there's houses. And I think you might have been on the Zoom two meetings ago, somebody there was a woman on one of the meetings and she goes, "It looks like a prison." >> But that's what one of the on the board building commission meeting, whatever,

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she said it. And my my position last week was if you got a pig and you put lipstick on a pig, it's still what? It's still a pig. So when you come out of the house and you know I feel for them because they live on the street that's going to be facing it. I'm a block away.

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There's just something in my gut for some reason that I just don't think all their numbers are adding up and it doesn't make sense because you know they said I had a meeting December. I've lived there for five years. No one contacted me about a meeting in the neighborhood.

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It went from 15 to 25. There's nobody knew about the meeting. Who would you invite? where was it? This and that. Um they talk about in the last couple meetings um talking about relieving students living in the neighborhood. That's going to bring more people to the neighborhood. It's going to bring more

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kids to the neighborhood. Talk about at the last meeting they talked about, well I lived next to college kids. I don't have a problem with college kids. I was only there like two or three years ago. So I have no problem with it. But what I have a problem with is the fact that you have people that are buying houses that

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are two-bedroom single family homes that are converting them into sevenbedroom houses. Now you go online, they're advertised as dorm houses, raking in 2,000 a month for each person. They're using your trash. They're using this. You got people that are avoiding

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the light at 57th and 64th speeding down the side roads. It already happens. It's not going to happen. It's not new. It's going to happen. They're already doing it. They're avo They're speeding down to get to the Eucen. They're speeding to avoid the light. Turn north off of Pon

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in the afternoon and it's already backed up all the way down. You can't turn on the 66. You can't turn on the 64th because it's backed all the way up from 60 62nd and 70 67th and 72nd. So when we talk about at the last meeting, one guy

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said, "Well, it's not going to really affect traffic." Not going to affect traffic. Are you crazy? It's going to affect a lot of traffic. They already parked on the side streets. So, if they're going to live in the building, where their friends going to park when they come? You built Vox. You've already

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built across the street from Sunset Tavern. They just built new dorms over there. I mean, where are they going to park? They're parking in front of our streets houses already. They blocked the view on the corners. So, when you try to turn, you're lucky there hasn't been a major accident there. They're flying on

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64 and 67 66 when there is no traffic because there's no lights, there's no stop signs, there's no speed bumps, they're speeding down my street on 57. I'm one block away. So when we sit there and start talking about it's not going to affect, there's a trickle down effect. And I said this at the last

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meeting is when we keep approving all these little things, they add up into one big problem. It takes you 45 minutes to go from just Riviera to where the big cheese is. 45 minutes in the in the

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regular afternoon. It's I mean there's a lot of things that are wrong with it. And I know you guys we're 3 minutes and everyone already had an hour and a half and two hours. And my only other question is when this is built, are we going to start enforcing the codes,

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single family codes in the neighborhoods that we're avoiding now? Are we going to sit there and say, "All right, when are we going to sit there and start enforcing the traffic so where they're not flying on our streets?" Because there's no Listen, that's the

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South Miami that's forgotten about that area. the rest of everyone else. Everyone loves it because that's the nice areas, isn't it? But when you started, you still got South Cross South Miami Market. You still got Sunset Place. You still got the six step. There's a lot of building that's going to happen here in the next couple years.

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And you can't drive anywhere around here. And say kids, college kids don't drive. Yeah, they do. Come on. We know better than that. That's a that's a that's a a fantasy. So, my other question is, you said it's a third

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floor. So, is it really a fourth floor if they're putting the amenities on the fourth? It's a question that I have. >> Thank you, Frank. Anyone else like to address this commission public remarks? >> No one else.

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>> Anyone on the Zoom? Please raise your hand. >> Okay. No one else. So, we will close public remarks. Mr. Are you recognized in report? >> Mr. Mayor, just a few minutes to to try to respond to to some of the concerns. Both Miss Reeden and Mr. Welsh talked

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about the the building just not fitting in or or you know being appropriate for for the neighborhood. A tremendous effort was made in the prepare the preparation of these zoning regulations to find a way to make sure that scale and context were still going to be

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respected. And probably the biggest measure that was done to try to protect single family neighborhoods, in this case the one to the west, was that height reduction and indeed that that height reduction is significant. When you think that it's going down, it's half the height of what the maximum height is permitted. So we go down from

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six stories to three stories. In the case of this project in particular too, we could have built a parking garage that was going up throughout the edges of the ground floors, the first three floors of the building and potentially encroaching upon the residential area would have made things easier for us, but we didn't do that. And that parking

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garage is completely and exclusively pushed away from the single family neighborhood and accessible only from uh 57th Avenue. Um with regards to existing residents, we we're making a significant effort to assist with the relocation of

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those uh existing residents. And when the topic of student housing, the sort of complaint that we heard right now about too many students living in the single family home area. That is part of what the student housing regulations is meant to address. The student housing

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regulations were adopted to try to direct the demand for that student housing into build which are designed, built and most importantly professionally managed for students so that there is an adult in the room managing uh the place and we try to get

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those students that are living now haphazardly in single family homes and town houses and so forth to live in a place that's appropriate to them and close to campus so to try to minimize the amount of car trips that are out there. With that said, I'll conclude the

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rebuttal and the team's ready and available here for any questions which you might have. >> Thank you for that. Okay, so thoughts. How do we want to proceed? Uh, so you want to go left to right or right to left? Let's go right to left. We've been picking on Commissioner Bonich for a while. So, Commissioner Kai, you want to

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kick us off? >> Um, I have a question. Um, is this does this property fall into RTZ by any chance? >> To where? RTZ. >> Um, >> anybody >> I don't know. It's It could I mean that's uh to be designated RTZ requires

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a map amendment by the county >> by the county. >> So they could um whoever the owner is could make a request of the county commissioner to sponsor a map amendment for inclusion in whatever map. I see a hand waving in the

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back. >> No, come on up. I'll let you I'll recognize you. She's pretty intimidating. I've been I've been on the wrong side of Michelle. >> Oh my god. >> Okay, so we're gonna open up public hearing very quickly. >> So, yeah, I'm I'm nervous, but >> ma'am, just before I just need your name and address for the record. Thank you.

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>> Yes, I was more concerned about the project over near 62nd Avenue. My name is Janine Apple White and I live in the community. Um, but I I grew up on Michelle Street because she's my cousin and I that's where I went home from

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school every day in that house. So, I I actually don't really know where to start because it's so many things wrong with this project. It's it's dormitories in a residential area. And excuse me, sir, but you were saying what you could

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have built. Maybe maybe a it could have been proposed, but but I don't think you guys have fully accepted everything, right? So, I didn't like the way that sound that we could have built a sixtory. Um,

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you know, maybe that was the plan until it was fully approved, but there's a lot of things wrong with this traffic. I hate to stand here and repeat. I just tried to get up here um to fight one last fight for this to say to each one

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of you guys, no. No. Imagine getting up every morning and looking at this dormatory. Walk out of your front door and this is what you see. Michelle forgot that when her granddaughter comes from Jacksonville, her and and and her son,

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they they loop. She she gets her energy out by going around the neighborhood on her scooter. It's it's just the wrong project for the area. What's going on with Sunset Place that it's commercialized over there? And M has

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even made it safe down near the old TGI Fridays for the students who live across the highway by building that over path. So, I just think if this goes up, y'all are going to deal with more problems from the community as far as um really

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um supporting them or or making sure that other things don't change because big business keeps coming. So, that's what I want. >> Appreciate your comments. Thank you. Okay, >> so with that, uh public comments are

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closed again. And so, uh, Commissioner Kaya, you were in the middle of a couple points. >> So, no, I just wanted to for myself to understand the RTZ if if the the project would fall into it. >> Um, >> it's it's a request. I mean, I don't Madam City attorney, am I incorrect?

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They would have to make an affirmative request to have it included within the map. I don't think it's included within the map today. Correct. I >> think you're right, mayor. Yes. >> I think this project, you know, it it is big. It's different. Um, I'm not a big fan of having student

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housing in our city that often. I, you know, we we've approved two of them. This, if this one goes through, this would be the second one. Um, the location for student housing couldn't be better, right? It literally is right across the street

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from the University of Miami. So, from a positioning perspective, this probably is the best opportunity for that. Um, we already have red red road comments on the corner and and those balconies do face the community as we speak today.

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Michelle, I mean I I know I love you and and but it does already, right? So we we're already seeing that in the community, right? And and the idea that we've always wanted to do from a zoning perspective was that we have a transition down, right? So the six stories on 57th Avenue. The idea was

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that it was always going to be seen on 57th Avenue and then you transitioned down to a threetory which is what Redro Commons did and then you transitioned to residential. I mean that's the way zoning has been done in Miami date county everywhere like Coral Gables city

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of Miami etc etc. So um I think a lot of the issues with parking could be corrected. uh we you know this will bring and not that I care about it too much but just to reference a fact we will get more tax revenue from this

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particular project where we can add more rein enforcement to the community have more policing have more traffic control systems in place that will help and facilitate that right so um I think that that would definitely be the idea uh for

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this particular project but um you know there's a lot of little things that we still probably to allocate and and fix here. Um, but I think I'm going to be in in in agreement with this project. >> So, I haven't really spoken or much about

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this. I've been kind of quiet. I've just been listening to everybody. And I had the meeting this morning with um, you know, with Mario and and the team. And um my first reaction this morning

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was just that this this project is intense. And um you know I understand that the zoning for this is is here at um is for the student housing but the difference is is that we've

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voted on student housing before but it hasn't had any residential around it. And I find myself, you know, kind of what what we said on 62nd Avenue in uh as you move more north, not not the

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current property that we heard today or the one next door because those are different scenarios, but as you move down when you are directly abuing a a residential neighborhood, the fact of the matter is is that for me

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and my personal view is I wouldn't want that in front of my personal. I would I I I I would absolutely hate it. And I can't imagine that all the residents who have been living there for years are going to love it. Um I don't think I think 772

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bedrooms, which is 1772 students added to that one little area is um extensive amount. Um I think the project is good as far as case. If it were somewhere different that didn't have a residential aspect, I would have

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you would have my full support on it. But being the fact that it is completely overshadowing the residences, I don't know if I can support this project. >> Okay. Vice Mayor,

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>> thank you. Yes. And um you know, I had asked the question earlier felt like it was a little bit of a mixed response, but uh a challenge I'm having with this as well is kind of on the intensity side, the lock coverage of the 79%

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and having that include the courtyards which are private and interior. I I do feel like that's not with the spirit of what we're trying to do on the lock coverage side. I I obviously I think everybody's experiencing just looking at this project and seeing the massing that the massing is just very heavy.

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Obviously, it's an entire uh city block and to have some of that uh lock coverage being interior, private, and accessible to the to the public looking in. It's

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going to look like we're approving a project that has 90% lock coverage because they're not going to be able to see the interior, anything like that. So, it's a it I think visually it's going to be one of these

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things that we may potentially regret after seeing it built. And I do also agree um with Commissioner Rodriguez that it is it is abudding with a lot of intensity uh single family neighborhoods

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in an imposing way because it being a city block means that the single family is also a city block directly facing this project. So it's it's it's vexing me. It's very challenging. I still don't

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exactly know because I know that it's following a lot of the rules that that that we have set. I don't know if it's meeting the spirit of all of them. So now I am still a little vexed and I'm looking forward to some more conversation as well.

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>> Madam Commissioner, >> I think the part nobody is saying is Vice Mayor Cy starts to to touch on it. They're following the rules. They're doing what the code is asking them to

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do. If we are looking at it and saying it is not in the spirit of what we imagined, I think that's that's a valid point. I also think that we can't

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have this conversation without saying live local exists. Like somebody else had mentioned, they could go to the county and get an RTZ. There are so many avenues. Let's think back a second. All of this

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change starts because we are trying to effectively not insulate because that is not the the correct word but we are trying to mitigate damage that was done at another level that we cannot control. >> So make development more symbiotic with

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neighborhoods. You know, it's I mean, I just I if I'm a regular walking talking person, I'm ignoring you. If I'm a regular walking talking person who isn't aware of live

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local, who isn't aware of the changes that a developer can do way above our heads and and you don't take into account, you know, one, two, three, four, five options that they may have that sit outside of the realm of our possibilities.

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We have to ask ourselves Knowing this, because we do, the group sitting here does know what the other possibilities are. Knowing this, do we want to just pretend this doesn't exist

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and have it come back and smack us in the face? Because while right now we're saying we want a threetory here and a six story there and you know we want this and that and the other when they turn around then and say

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well we're not going to listen to anything you say and go above our heads where it's quite possible that they would win. We've lost complete control over having any input. So while I understand and

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in context agree with the idea that having this face a residential neighborhood is not ideal. It is not. But that doesn't take away from the fact of what the reality is. And the reality

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is it will happen fortunately or unfortunately one way or another. It's just how much do you want to be involved? And lastly, there's 200 and something parking spots.

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I will tell you from my experience just in this past week, my daughter has moved into a building. It's not student housing. They're regular apartments and there is no guest parking and the area that she lives in does not have adequate

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street parking and it is a nightmare. So maybe consider guest parking because the gentleman that called you your highness um made mention they're all going to be parking in their

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neighborhoods and they are because that's what I did. That's what my you know my daughter's friend did. You go into somebody's neighborhood and you park your car because you don't have a choice. Either that or you know block park three blocks away. Well three blocks away is still somebody's neighborhood in this city. So

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maybe reassess and that's a comment to y'all. Maybe reassess what your parking looks like. >> Okay. So let me um close out with a couple thoughts and then if we have questions or want to have more interaction with the applicant or the public, I'm happy to open the floor

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forum. I think we need a motion >> to extend the time of the meeting. >> Uh let's get a motion to extend to 11:30. >> I move it. >> Is there a second? Any opposition? Okay. So show that um the meeting extended to 11:30. Um, so I'm gonna say this and to my dear

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friend Michelle, I want to remind you that when I first sat down with Mario and the developer, my first comment to them was go talk to Michelle >> because everybody everybody knows she lives right across the street and I have valued her input as a board member who I reappointed the planning board and asked

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her to serve that capacity and I and I asked the question about the planning board not to be flippant but but seriously I think one of the things that we why we are having success as a city in contrast in the past is that we have to your point, Commissioner Bonich, uh we've tried to assess the operating

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environment and come up with a scheme that rationally directs development where we think it's most appropriate, where it's going to add value and it's not going to impact our single family neighborhoods. Right? We talked through this entire process about making sure we kept the fights away from the edges. Now, this is a very

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site has a very interesting history. I've followed it for a long time. Uh, at one point members of this council said, "It can't be anything other than affordable housing. We're going to zone in affordable housing." I mean, that's was just that was the level of dystopia that existed on this board about what should happen on someone's private

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property. Um, the second conversation I had about the site as it was kind of making its way through was uh about, you know, I got a call from the tenants saying, "Hey, I have a voucher. I'm have an opportunity to relocate. I can't afford to relocate

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because my deposit I've been living here for 20 years. She was a voter. I knew her. She's like, I understand their property. They can do what they want, but I need some help. And so my first call was to Mario to say, Mario, what's going on? Can you guys do something? Which is why I made the connection with

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Miami Homes for All that we would have a nonprofit who understands the process, is in this business, helping them resolve a problem that is not entirely their issue to resolve, right? But nonetheless, I think appropriate given that we're having a transition. Our job is to kind of mitigate as much as

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possible. So again, first call in terms of compatibility, go talk to the neighbors. In terms of impact, let's get a nonprofit involved to help the transition. I will say that, you know, to the developer, they did everything I thought they should do. I will tell you

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that I was not happy and they know this with the initial design. I thought it was well below the standard that we want. Uh, I do have a lot of concerns about compatibility, but I asked Michelle the question about when we were going through this process. I I would never envision that we would have had town homes on that site because I just

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know that economically it's not feasible. And I will tell you that while I don't I certainly don't love the intensity, right, not to not to badge that word or beat that word down of what's happening on 57th, I think that we the the best part of this project is

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the edge facing the neighborhood. I will disagree with Michelle, my friend, that 57th Court is a much better condition today or will be a much better condition in the future than what exists there today. I think that's doubly true if we have a condition here that preserves the existing canopy on that street so that

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we're not trying to recreate something we already have and we provide something again that harmonizes that edge with the condition across the street in the single family neighborhood. I'm a proponent of supporting the development services director's suggestion that we keep that edge not

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consistent with our it's not that they were doing anything wrong. They were trying to follow our rules and the TSNA standards. But the reality is that's a modification that's makes to me practical sense because the more harmony we create across that street I think the

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better the outcome is for everybody. Um Commissioner Corey I think you've highlighted an interesting point. The way this building in my mind works, it's three buildings, right? Um the reality of why those courtyards are internalized is that you want to have light and air,

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you know, to benefit those interior units, right? If you externalize that, it makes the floor plates more inefficient and I think it, you know, probably reduces the total number of units. Um, you know, they've they've internalized the benefit and externalized the impact. That's the only

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problem I really have with this project other than can we get the the facade of 57th Avenue in a better posture. I would say probably yes. My frustration with our process colleagues is that I don't think it's um not been a good

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faith effort on the part of the developer to meet the mark. I haven't I think we just haven't really set a target that they can hit. we haven't clearly articulated what it is that they should be solving for and that's on that's frankly I think on us and to your point if we're going to continue to have success right and we're going to

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continue to create an environment where that is predictable so that people that want to invest don't and run us but come to us and we can do the best to harmonize these imbalances right that I think you know um notwithstanding all the concerns I think

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are I think are legitimate we probably we need to support the project for that reason Right. Um Frank, I hear you on the enforcement issue to you, Michelle. Michelle, my only frustration with your comments today is that if you're feeling this way, you probably are feeling this way tonight. Probably felt this way for

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a while. I would prefer that you call me. You don't I don't hide from you. You can call me anytime and we could have talked about this because I could have gone back to these folks who spent a lot of time, energy, and money to kind of rightsize the plan to be responsive to your conditions, which is why I sent them to you in the first place. So, in the future, you know, I'm probably going

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to vote up on Yes. I'm probably going to make you upset with me. I apologize, but I hope you know that you can you can reach out to me and in the future, the reason I sent them to you was I wanted us to have some communication. Bad on me that I didn't reach out to you again to

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say we're fine, but mutually, you know, if you're not if you're not liking what you're seeing, you know, I'm sending them to you to have that conversation, don't don't hesitate to call, right? That's why we're here. and and Frank uh on the issues of I'm sorry to be

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informal, sir, but uh since you call me your royal highness and we've had a few beers together, I feel I can be right. The on the enforcement issue, you know, to our staff, we're on their we're on their case all the time about needing to step up our code enforcement game. It's been far from perfect. It's one, if

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you've watched our meetings, it's one of the issues we talk about that we're all not happy with. If we have people that are converting single family homes into student housing, we shouldn't be tolerating it. So, just if you know what's happening, >> yeah, I don't I don't scour the internet for this stuff every day because we all

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have day jobs, right? But we'll we'll ask we'll ask staff to do it, but if you're aware of it, just let us know. I mean, again, text, we have an app, we're we're accessible for those kind of enforcement referrals, right? So, I mean, we could use your help with that

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candidly. Um, you know, I I think um we have a I I I would like to suggest the following, which is I think we should approve the um the variance and site plan portion. I think there's a lot of elements of the

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DA uh and I don't know I want to sort them all out tonight that probably need to be revisited. I would probably ask that we table that because I think there's a lot of things we need to build suspenders wise to work on in terms of language, whether it's, you know, tree relocation conditions, whether it's um

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just some details here that I just don't see completely buttoned up. Um I don't know if the applicant I'll let them I'll let them I'll let them I mean I want to I want to signal to the community where we are, right? I want to signal to you what direction we're going in. I think in my mind that's the only way I'm going

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to get to a yes on any portion of the application tonight personally. Uh and I think we can deal with cleaning up a lot of the stuff that you know I think can become problematic there because I I mean looking at the language I just don't know whether the tenency language here conforms to provisions in our code.

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There's just questions I have that we haven't had a chance to kind of run through. Um that's partially my fault. Uh it's partially I think a fault the fact that we're kind of trying to iterate a little bit too quickly in real time and I don't understand how we would condition the this facade issue. Right.

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I don't the facade on 57 to me is the port it's the portion of the project that aside from to your point the internalization of the courtyards which I understand programmatically why they're doing it. Uh I just don't know how we I yet don't understand even after like a

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couple hours of conversation with uh Mark and Sarami how we're going to condition that so that we get it back in a posture where we're giving you a target to strive for. And that's it's not just a referral to the DRB. I think it's got to be a defer a referral with the DRB with some conditions in the

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development agreement that speak to the kind of outcome that we want and that's acceptable. That's how I'm thinking about this. Um, yes, ma'am. >> Why Why would you say the DRB versus working directly with Sudami?

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>> Because they're going to go back to the DRB anyways. >> Okay. And so I mean again I I'm you know to everyone's question this is not like we're the we're the board of last review and ultimately we make the decisions but I think we do have some process questions that we need to be asking

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ourselves because a lot of these issues you know we we started with DRB goes last and then we said well let's make them go first and they're still going first and last and we're still seeing a lot of the same issues. So I think I don't know the process necessarily has been right sized. And I think that we've

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talked here before that some of that is we need maybe a DRB that's not just a citizen board but has non-citizen members that are professionals that have some expertise in this area that are willing to serve to kind of highlight some of these conflicts. You know the conflicts about the tree that we talked

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about a minute ago, right? Even some of the conflicts here with trees that we want to preserve. Honestly, I heard about them for the first time today. And so, and I think these are things that we just need to think about either augment our our time and talent with people who

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have more talent and can highlight these things for us as it's starting its way through the process. So, we get here, we've got a concrete number of things that we're looking at and that the developer and their council have had discussed with them a couple times before. So, we get here, we have the

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best product. We're not trying to kind of redesign the project in mass right uh at the final step. Sorry, you had another question. >> Do you think if we were to augment that that would be on the DRB or with Sudami

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and her team? >> I think it's both. I mean, I've shared with Mr. Cabrera today. I mean, I think our my fr my only frustration really on our side is twofold. Clearly, not enough communication with the neighbors, right, about whatever growing upset there was about the evolution of the project. And

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that's a two-way a two-way issue. and that um I mean when I when I have had a conversation with them about an issue I have found it to be responsive. One of the issues I I just don't even want to get into tonight is you know I asked the question about the ground floor plane

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because the first time I sat down with them my concern was if you're going to walk on 57th and the only part of the building that protrudes is that garage encroachment which I'm fine with makes sense. I think that I think the strategy around locating the garage on 57th at the seven of the project so it does not

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express itself to the neighborhood was the right organizational move. Now that creates a series of constraints. We've talked about that. I understand the impacts. I've got no problem with it. In my mind, I've reconciled the internalizing of the courtyard

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benefit for not externalizing the negative impact of the garage >> on the adjacent neighborhood. That to me is how one of the trade-offs that's embedded in the design, right? But I I one of my other concerns is as I'm walking down 57th Avenue, what's that

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experience going to be like when I'm walking through that ground floor opening, right? And today if I'm dissatisfied with anything in the presentation, as I heard, we don't even know what the range of materials would be like, right? what I think is going to be a very important open segment where you're going to have accurate section of

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a parking garage loading, how it's going to be screened, how it's going to landscape. I don't know. I haven't seen a rendering of it. We don't know exactly how it's going to be masked other than landscaping, how porous it's going to look. I don't have a sense of what the experience is going to be like as a pedestrian walking under the portion of

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the garage that extends over the sidewalk plane. I mean, those are things that they're not new issues, but they're issues that I would like to, you know, if I wanted to enthusiastically vote for this project, right? As opposed to right now my vote is lukewarm because, you know, I'm more

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concerned about being predictable. And, you know, again, we we made a decision strategically as a board with the help of our advisory boards that there are a handful of places that we're going to grow. This is, I think, one of those sites that we said yes to. In my mind, I

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envisioned development at this scale, right? Maybe not with a kind of linear configuration of a single building that's 400 plus feet long, but I figured we'd have something like this developed on this site at some point, right? Because it fits with the plan to

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everyone's point here. But I think, you know, there there are a lot of design details here that I would like to see further flushed out and they haven't been in the three and a half months that I have been kind of actively in conversation around the project. So that

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to me that condition along 57th Avenue to me still always has been a question mark still is a question mark. They've improved certainly the quality of the architecture over time. I think they've gotten the rear side right. There are units to now open up to the sidewalk

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have stoops and landings if I'm correct at the grade. So they kind of read almost like the units at the rear of Avalon, which I think are pretty well executed in terms of at least trying to create some dynamism on the sidewalk, right? And I think that helps reinforce again uh a scale that is accreative to

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the neighborhood, right? As opposed to just a building that's completely walled off from the neighborhood on the west side, actually interacts at the ground at the ground floor plane. I think the park is a great amenity. Those issues have been addressed. the interactivity between between the dog run and the building which before it was kind of

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kind of isolated become much more interactive. They've they've addressed all of these concerns but there still are issues I think that are not yet fully squared off. Now that said, you know, I think about the impacts on the

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neighborhood. I also think about the fact that these are people that have been spending time, energy, and money and there's a window in which they've got to make an investment or that investment gets deferred 12 months or it never happens. And I do worry about what you what you've mentioned, right? I've seen plenty of examples in my life where

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neighbors have turned away a very complimentary project. Let's just one in South Miami is 20 town homes on 67th Avenue. They thought would create a lot of traffic. And then again, no offense to VU Church, which is going to be a great addition to the community. They got out of church that is going to be a

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massive congregation with substantially a larger traffic impact. So you didn't want to allow for a portion of the site to be redeveloped. So I'm always mindful but be careful what you ask for because the next thing may not be quite as good, right? And so this is a project while

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not perfect, right? I think there has some elements that are I would say again politely defective, right? In terms of its impact, direct impact on the neighborhood, right? There's no tra there's no cars that are being organized that are going to come that have any reason logistically in terms of

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servicing this building to touch by design any of the surrounding streets other than 57 right um you know and again I don't know one of the questions I do have is given that we need a left turn access here that may or may not be approved if the applicant isn't able to

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achieve that does the development agreement allow them to even procure a building permit in the absence of that approval being granted you know, that's an issue. I mean, to me, if that approval is not granted, then the whole organizing pieces of the building is really undermined, right?

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And so, I don't know if the development agreement speaks to what posture puts us in or them if in fact that's not realized, right? Can they get a building permit if that's not approved? Right? All right. And again, I'm not trying to, you know, again, it's I'm trying to

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externalize the risk to them and minimize it for the neighborhood because if at the end of the day, they're entitled to a permit to build the building and they're not and just use best efforts to get that that traffic modification, then all the value and all the benefit I think that we are

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realizing to me is is lost. So, those are the issues and concerns I have for conversation. I'm happy to shut up. way too much. And I'll let you guys kind of weigh in. >> I thought we spoke. >> No, I mean, if you want to say anything, anything else?

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>> I I think your your left turn idea is actually very clever because if not, you end up with like an endless loop of people hooking a U-turn on 64 to try to get to that >> building. Yes. I mean the question applies does that prohibit a permit or

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not? You know that's something we need to find out. >> Okay. And you all know where I stand. >> Yes. >> I think you all always have pretty thoughtful conversations on this. I think there still is a pretty high or a

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potential chance of us having you know visual problems with this project being as massive as it is. we have the potential problems of it, not saying it's intended, but becoming a nuisance property to the to the neighborhood around it because of the number of

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students and the parking issues and things like that. That being said, you know, we put together this planning and zoning so that we could give direction to the market what we wanted and they followed it all along the way all the way here. So, it's hard for me to oppose

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this project on the direction that we've given. So, that's where I'm standing now. It is It's a challenge because I just like you, Mayor, there's things I don't like about it. That's not necessarily my job up here. >> Sure.

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>> I mean, I just want to say I'm not I'm not anti-development and I think everybody knows I'm and I'm not anti- student housing here. I just currently think that the way it's designed, there's no open room. There's no for

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those residents who walk out of their neighborhood, out of their homes. >> Yeah, it's three stories, but you're not it's not like you go blind to the six stories that are right in front of the three stories. This project is I don't even have a

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problem with what how it looks on 57th. I think that the the parking garage and the design and everything that you have looks great. I just think that the situation of this bu the the location of where this building is going is my problem. Not the design. I think the back I think the whole building as a as

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a whole is a is a nice design. It's just the one location where it's at. Again, I don't I'm not against student housing, but in its current design, I just think it's a lot. I think it's

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very imposing to a residential neighborhood which I think we all said we will always >> you know protect the residential residents be you know on projects like this. So that's my issue with this

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project. It's just it's just massive and and it's in a residential neighborhood. It's a it it has nothing to do with design with height with anything. It's just where it's situated and the current design. Now you bring student housing here where

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it's, you know, more open. I don't know, whatever. More open just different design. Maybe instead of those courtyards in the middle, open them up to the back or to the side. Make make instead of bringing it from there,

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bring them to the exterior. Now you're giving more room, more open space for people to, you know, see the sky. I It's just the current design and where it's located for me is my problem. My issue with this and as I said, I mean, I'm just repeating.

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>> So, so again, I just I don't know. I think I don't think you are. I think the the problem is we not talking specifically about what we would want to see changed for this to be a yes. Right. And so that's so again from from my my criticism of staff has been that which is okay, how do we We're we're I mean we

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had this conversation today, Mark and I said, "You're recommending approval, but you're fundamentally uncomfortable with the with the project at some level, right? He's not he's not satisfied." And I'm like, "Why are we in this position?" And the question is, what is the mark we're trying to get these folks to hit? I think I think there's a there's

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there's there is a conversation to be had these courtyards. I think it's better. We have in we purposely externalized the dog run or that park so that we would create an opening right and set the building back from the neighbors right

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could you do more of that with other that would now internalized uh private open spaces so have less private open space and more public open space to provide the transition that is if that that's direction we could give them and say is that something you can explore

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now it's going to require hire these folks after I don't know how long to basically reimagine their entire floor plan. >> Yeah. Yeah. No. >> So, I mean, yeah. >> So, I don't know if you have anything else. Is that a specific thing you would want to see for WAS or there's just no way you think that this project is

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compatible with the neighborhood? >> I mean, I'm looking at it from the perspective of if I live in Michelle's house basically is is the way I'm I'm I'm looking at this. So, if I walk out and I just have one huge block in front of my house, I wouldn't want that. I

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would want, you know, am I open to to a closer closer to a yes if if it were open and and maybe had maybe was three buildings maybe and you had some some open room to to you know that you could see through it or

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>> so your problem is >> I'm not a designer. I'm just saying >> it feels like a mega block. >> It feels like a mega block right in front of residences. >> Okay. That's that's that is the I'm trying to get to some a concrete understanding where everybody is. Okay, >> Mr. Gay, >> mayor, I I just think that, you know, if

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we're looking at this avenue, the the zoning is just documented incorrectly. So, if that's what you guys are saying, if if that was the case, you would change the zone and say that the floor plates would be at 25%. With green space mandatory 60%. And that way, you would

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have the green space. What does that do, though? That dictates that the opportunity and the upzoning in that specific area would not be feasible for capital investment. So, you know, it's it's pros and cons. We wanted we wanted the edges. We wanted we we zoned it this

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way for a particular reason, right? So, we wanted the investment. Um, so it's just difficult. You know, I I I get it. Mayor, you're talking about design features and all that iteration. I'm not we're not architecting and and this is our opportunity to say something about a particular project. So, that that that's

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our prerogative. But DRV uh the opportunities for design purposes to fix some of these issues, but some of these issues can't be fixed with what we're talking about now, right? That has to go all the way back to zoning um and reszoning the particular product and

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that you can't do that, right? So, >> no, we I mean we can I mean we we can >> I mean we can, but I mean that that that's not in my in my opinion, it's not fair, right? So, >> um >> that's the caveat that we have here, right? we zoned it this way. Uh they're

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asking for a variance for the floor plate. That is >> well I mean that's and that is not an inconsequential difference >> that I I I don't disagree with and that's something that we can hold on to. >> Um but you know that's that's my my thought process here.

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>> Okay. better pressure. >> If we are so worried about the block feel along the back, I think that would make it even more important for the visual that is back

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there to be varied. I know that that when I said the front should look like the back, you know, the back should look like the front, I was that's where I was going with this. And if we want to see something different, then maybe what we want to

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see is a forward and back movement on that facade to give it a little depth. But what are we going to give up? >> You're talking you're talking about on 57th Avenue or >> on 57th Court? >> On 57th Court, I think if you look at the renderings,

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There is that there is that that break. >> There's a little bit of a play there. But that's why I'm saying it the only way that that would look any different is if you did a more dramatic in and out. But even if you did, it looks like >> But you still have six stories. You still have the six stories. And that's

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the other problem that some people are having with it, right? You still have that six. >> I think there's I think there's six stories. And what I'm hearing is there six stories with no visual break, right? And so you had if you had six stories with visual sight lines in between portions of the block, it's less offensive, right? And so, you know, I

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think that's where the variance nexus is, right? >> And so, um, you know, >> I I think Sorry, man. >> Yes, sir. >> Last comment. I mean, we >> with the setbacks that we've done with Sunset Place, we've done the same thing, right? We we we didn't want to imposing

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on Sunset Drive. We did the step backs 25T and then we It's the same process. Like it's not any different than what we've done. We just did that right now with the previous application on 62nd Avenue. >> No, but this is but this is this is respectfully commissioner. It's like

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five times the length. All >> we're talking about the length, but you're talking about from a visual perspective. >> No, but I think Hold on. >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> On the residential side that you're seeing that perspective, right? you see that setback three, you know, add three stories in that 50 foot setback and then

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it goes back up and that's what we just approved in another particular project. That's all I'm saying. >> I I agree and like I just said, I think I think the part of this project to me that makes the most sense is the project facing the resi. Like I mean I think it works. >> So So I you're absolutely right. The

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difference is that the one that we just approved has only four unit lines. So it's not it's different. It's again it's the overall size. It's it's almost what was it like three times med square

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>> probably at least probably double what I would say >> double whatever >> 547 it's 547 ft. >> That that's that's just the difference. There's no breakup in in the building. Again I'm not here to design for you guys. I the design is is good. It's the

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location. There's just no breakup in it for me. And the property we just did, I mean, it's it's you're talking about what, like 100, we could go through the plans, like 100 200 feet. It's it's it's nothing and it's all covered by trees. So, mayor, no, I wasn't disagree with

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that. What I was just saying is that visually, right? >> Yeah. I'm just saying visually from that perspective, you still see the three stories and it goes up. Whe whether how wide it is, I I don't dis right, but that's not really the problem. It's not how wide it is. what you can see from that perspective,

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right? So, when you leave Michelle's house, Michelle, we're using you as a scenario, but you know, you know, if you leave Michelle's house, you're going to see straight up. Your problem is see what you're seeing, not necessarily what goes all the way to the cross. I mean, that's I mean, that's a matter of

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perspective on where you're coming. >> Yeah. But but we're not talking about one house. We're talking about a whole block that we can't just focus on one outs where they build a window for Michelle to see. We have to consider all the other >> We're We're running out of time. So,

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what >> do you want to do, Mayor? >> Again, I'm open to suggestions. I you know, I'm I you know, I don't know. More, you have an idea of how we want to proceed? >> And and by the way, guys, it's I we don't take it lightly that you have put money and invested and done a lot of

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hard work in it. So it doesn't go like that doesn't go >> on notice >> there. Is there is there madam attorney is there two readings for this? >> Just one just one. Yeah just one. >> So that's why I see you saying >> yeah. >> Okay. Sorry sir.

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>> Indeed. You know the story of this project has been a lot of hard work you know to try to comply with a lot of code provisions. It's a very prescriptive code try to address all the comments of the various boards and so forth and and we continue to do that. But uh you know we've already expressed our willingness today to as part of the development

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agreement go back and look at the facades on both the east and the and the west side also on 57th court. As part of that maybe we can also take a look at what more in and out there could be on the 57th court side. In reality though we're always going to have three stories

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and six stories in order for this to to happen and to work. And so Mr. Mayor, perhaps your suggestion of being able to move forward on six and seven sends uh the right message that we're on the right track here. And on eight, we can maybe defer that to try to work out some

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of these uh points. >> Yeah. I just I I just I frankly, you know, we've all tried to work harmoniously, you know, and unanimously to kind of get to a result. And so my only my only my only concern here is we're going to end up voting 32 four,

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you know, 41 on an item where I think we all know what the right result is, but we're going to end up divided. I mean, that's that's fine. I you know, again, we only need a majority. We need four votes or or so. I don't know. We have four votes. four votes for the special exception large scale and the variance.

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>> Okay. So, um Mr. C, I'm I'm just curious. Is there is there a way to explore it's going to make your building more inefficient and I apologize because you know I understand that's been you have a very efficient floor plate here.

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I I think part of the problem with the massing on 57 that it may never get resolved is can we create in the upper stories four to six of the sixtory portion some visual some physical separation in what I think functions three individual towers

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they're all connected maybe you have circulation you know on floor three that's that you know spans the entirety of the site but in the upper levels they almost operate as separate you know three separate towers All right. Um, I think that might get to

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I think resolving some of Michelle and others concerns where yes, it's three and six stories, but at least when you look down the street and I may be looking at six, you know, three and six stories when I come out my door, but there is down the road a visual break lets me see some portion of the skyline.

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So, and I think that would comply and maybe mitigate the need for the variance. Just thoughts from you all if that's something that could be considered or achievable. you know, it's something that we're willing to consider whether it makes the variance disappear or not. I don't think that will necessarily be the case. Okay. But, uh,

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but, you know, it could be something part of aside from looking at facade, also looking at breaks in elevation. >> Do we would we I mean, would it >> if we decided just to table these three items to May 6, is that something that we could try to

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work out between now and then and then make a decision up or down on all the items? So certainly give me the greatest amount of comfort that we're going to get to a result that I think is acceptable to at least four of us, hopefully all five of us. >> So we could defer to May six on all

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three items, but I I would emphasize that, you know, we need to cover a lot of ground between now and May 6 because we have a very sensitive timeline here. We want this building out of the ground in time for the 2028 school year starting in August, >> which means you got to be in the ground,

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you know, March of next year, >> right? >> So, no, when Sorry, feel free to correct us. Sorry. >> This Yeah, I don't think I would. >> Are you guys Do you guys I mean, where are you in terms of your building permits? To be very candid. I'm just a

953
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little I'm surprised. I thought it was an 18-month bill or or 20-month bill. Sorry. Yeah, we we have our um our derm approval as uh that we have and we've had our um building permits have been

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completed. They're in a third party review right now in preparation for some >> Okay. So, you're you you're basically working on CDs while you've been working on Okay, >> that's correct. We've been we've been working off of the feedback as we've been getting the feedback over the last

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four months. Uh and we've been able to accommodate all of the requests that have been made. Um some of them a little more dra drastic these ins and outs of along 57. Um you know that changed floor plates completely and so we've been able

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to work with those as we've continued to develop this site and make it work within the permitting and within everything that we've been. So, so again, I don't know whether to me to me I think the issue that as I'm seeing it is right now whether it's

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going to we may still need the variance but it sounds like for you to get five votes on this board which is certainly my goal right or minimum of four. Let's move to extend for 30 minutes. >> Is there a second? >> Okay.

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>> Second. Let's >> Okay, that's one minute. Okay, so move to extend to 12 o'clock and we'll take a one two minute recess. >> I guess I'm stuck in this chair. Come here. Okay, I think we're ready to con uh

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proceed. Just to to the development team, can you give us a sense where are you in terms of construction design documents? What are you at? 30% CDs or >> uh No, we're closer to 85%. >> Okay. >> Okay.

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Okay. Um I I I was talking with council while we were during the break and I think you know one of the things I didn't appreciate is the interplay between the special exception uh conditions and the development agreement. So I don't think

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my idea of acting on two and moving and and deferring the third is really viable for for that reason. So I'm of the mindset um let's try to make a concerted effort in the next two weeks to try to see if we can modify

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the upper floors and create some breaks in the facade if we can. I understand that's have a lot of agitant about it given where you are in your construction development document process, but I think that's really the the one thing that's going to resolve some of the

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collective angst of of the board and I think it'll address I think one of the one of the um concern of the community. So, and I want to say this again because I think this should be our northstar as we consider these things to you all. We

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want to be predictable with investors, but we also are trying to be very disciplined about where we invite development. This is a site, and that's why I asked Michelle where we we chose to invite investment. To Commissioner Gaya's point, um again, I don't think we ever imagined we'd have a building that

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was again not for any reason, just because of the length of the block being 500 plus feet, right? Um, I'm not say that the design is as deficient as I've been told in some cases by people, but I think it's just the sheer length of the block to to Mr. Cor to Vice Mayor Cory's

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point makes it seem very very imposing. And so I think today we want to go be a little bit more deliberate and exhaustive. Um take every possible care that we can to you know Commissioner Rodriguez's point which is it is one of the few blocks where there is that rare

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justosition between a single family neighborhood and um and uh and you know a site that is a transitional site. It's not quite as I think dramatic as the sites on 62nd where there's only the alleyway that separates them but still

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one where there is that um there is that adjacency and so I I think colleagues the best course would be to be to kind of defer all these items to May 6 come back and revisit the conversation see if there's been any ability to kind of

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modify the design to minimize the use the word monolithic for lack of uh a more expansive vocabulary feeling of the 57th Avenue facade in the upper stories um and and revisit this conversation

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then. Yes, ma'am. >> It it's really a question to y'all. Let's pretend right now that they hollow out the back end. I'm not saying it's the real world. I'm just playing pretend

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here. They take these this long have the courtyards. They hollow out the back piece. So, they take off that back part. It does. I don't feel that that accomplishes what y'all are envisioning.

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Let's pretend then that we take it and we slice out the equivalent of, I don't know, two units here, here, and here in three different spots. I don't think that that accomplishes what you're imagining because then

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you've got like, you know, like when you got that person that's missing a front tooth and there's just >> Yeah. You got the teeth of a hockey player. So you've got these little views of >> So I can I can tell you I don't I mean we would get 60 feet, right, between a

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typical building, right, because of fire code requirements. So, I'm not sure we'll get 60 feet, whether we get 20 feet or 15 feet. You know, I'm looking at their circulation plan. You know, it doesn't work. >> It doesn't That's what I'm saying. >> So, but so, but again,

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>> I'm not sure there's anything lost in allowing them to think about >> But here here's here's the point that I'm trying to make, and I think Sudi said it well. If if you can't take this

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long long thing and break it up because it'll mess up everything that you worked on. How are we treating the back of that sixtory section to make it not seem so imposing? You don't necessarily need to

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change structure to take away the imposing nature of something. You just have to maybe treat the facade differently. I think the best answer to that is we'll let them try and see what they can figure out, right? And so again, I I I

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feel for them because I understand the significance of what one spends to get to 85% construction, but again, that was a business judgment that they made based on how this process was evolving. You

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know, again, I I I think that they're, you know, that's a decision they made is the best we can say. I don't know that we need to own all of that. Uh I certainly I would just prefer that this board be, you know, these folks are very competent builders. They're very

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sophisticated student housing operators for what I've seen on their website and know of them. They've built good product elsewhere. So I think it'll be a value creative investment for the neighborhood and I would like to see it happen rather than not on balance. But I do also wanted to have the enthusiastic support

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of this board, right? And I don't think we're quite there yet, right? And so this is kind of the best way to to summarize our our our position. I don't know that you know the two gentlemen to my left or right are automatic yeses right on a vote today based on the

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comments I heard. So my my thought is let's move to defer all three items and let's talk about this on May 6. Again I don't think we need to madam attorney hear any further public testimony. Correct. Or you know do we reopen public

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forum? We can just basically see what the modifications are, use the feedback we've received, and try to make a quick uh determination on whether it meets the mark or not. Is that correct? >> Take public comment on May 6th. >> What >> public comment on Sorry, on May >> May 5th. >> May 5th.

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>> May 5th. Do we need to take public comment on May 5th? >> I would, Mayor, >> you would or are we required to legally? >> I think if there's a change in the plans and the concept, yes. >> Okay. allow the the the public to

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comment on the change in plans. >> Fair enough. Okay. Do you want to move to defer to May to May 5th? Excuse me. >> I'm sorry. >> Yes, sir. Quick. I just >> maybe we asked Mark. How do you feel

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about >> They're not going to like it. So, >> but I think it's better. >> Well, I mean, but sometimes you have to make a business decision. So, what what would you prefer? Just a vote to happen now or do you prefer for it to to move to May 6?

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>> We'll proceed to >> So, the business decision is that we'll go on May 5th to to try to build some better consensus here and address some of these points knowing that we're not going to be able to address all of them potentially. >> We appreciate that. But uh but in the spirit of continuing to try to work and

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you were going to say something, right? >> Yeah. We would just hope we're in town. We would hope if we just extend this trip if we could get together. >> I think our staff is willing to get with you guys in the next couple days and and hammer it out. >> Yeah. Tomorrow we can be available through architect team and would love to

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collaborate all I I think all together is really the the key piece of tying all of everything. >> You guys have an incredibly competent team. You got a great sponsor. You got a great design team. We've got a city that really wants to see this happen. I think, you know, in all fairness, we

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just need to get it right so that we can all be enthusiastic boosters of it. >> And hopefully hopefully we can repeat the experience with some less hiccups. Yes. >> If they were to come to us and say, "I can do this, this, and this." And I'm playing devil's advocate. I'm sorry. I'm

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not speaking for you guys, but I need one more floor on the front end. What do you guys feel? >> One more floor. >> One more. If I'm opening this whole thing up, I'm losing I'm pretending I'm losing 75 units. Will you give me a seventh floor to do my 70 the units I'm

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missing? >> No. >> Okay. I'm just They don't >> We're asking them to think >> I understand, but we don't practically they've got a window in which they've got to make an investment to do that. We've got to change our comp plan. We got to change the zoning code. I'm

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thinking out I want to be I I mean I want to act within the realm of no disrespect intended >> the practical absolutely >> that's just not a practical solution even if we were willing to consider it >> I wouldn't put on the table because from a time perspective we're basically telling them even if they if they wanted

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to do that they've making a decision then they're going to wait another year to start their project. >> Okay. >> Okay. Okay. Okay, further comments. Again, not a bad not a bad thought, but I just don't think it's a practical >> and and it might be the most impractical, but I'm like, you're saying go think, go do this. >> No, I think we need to work within the

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bounds of what we've got. >> Okay. So, is there a motion to defer? >> I'll I'll move the motion. >> Okay. Second. Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Vice Mayor Corey to defer items uh six,

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seven, and eight to May 5th. >> Uh Seeing no objections, consider the item adopted. >> Um, >> is there a motion to defer item nine? >> Yeah, I'll move the motion to defer number. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> I'll second.

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>> Have a motion by Commissioner Kay and a second by Commissioner uh Bonich. Uh, again, seeing no opposition, Madame Clerk, >> consider the deferral adopted >> to May 5th. >> To May 5th as well. >> Okay. >> Um, what other business do we have

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pending? Reports. We have um two and three item. >> Okay. Is there a motion on is there can you read item two for the record please? >> Item two a resolution the mayor city commission of the city of s for the committee to achieving vision 000 zero rollway fatilities fatalities by 2050

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acknowledging preparation of action plan directing the city manager to develop strategies to implementate implement action plan goals. >> Thank you. Um colleagues is there a motion on item two? >> I move the motion. Is there a second? >> Second.

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>> Uh there's a motion by Commissioner um Gay and a second by Commissioner Rodriguez. Madam Clerk, if you can call the RO, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 5 Z. >> You can read item three, please.

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>> Item three, a res of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving the proposal and agreement with tissue debates, Inc. for impact fee study service in amount not to exceed $70,840 utilizing the terms and condition of the city tam contract awarded pursuant to

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request for proposals number 25-03 are authorized the city manager to negotiate and execute an agreement with the consultant relating to the same >> thank you madam clerk uh mr I'm assuming this is to update our impact fee schedule >> absolutely right now we only charge

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impact fees for parks we need to look at mobility police the whole thing >> we only charge for parks Yes. >> Oh, fantastic. Wow. Let's get that done very quickly. Uh, yes. Is there a second? >> Second. >> Is there a second? You second? >> Yeah, I second. >> Okay. We have a motion by Commissioner Kay, second by Commissioner Rodriguez.

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Madam Clerk, please call the role on item three. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Bonish, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> hell yes. >> Okay. Uh, well, we got to get cracking on that one. Um, >> budget schedule.

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>> Budget schedule. Anybody have any concerns regarding the schedule outlined by the committ? >> Yes, sir. >> Mr. Mayor, if we could uh if can introduce a couple things that would influence your your thought process and decision on on the schedule.

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>> Is it any different than last year? >> By the way, uh, Mr. Manager, you can start to hire you can start to hire out Mr. River as an ADA consultant. Just for the record. Good evening. What you have before you is um on one side is the proposed or draft budget schedule. On the back side

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you will see the calendar for 2026. And the reason for is in the red circles you'll see those are what the first and third Tuesdays of the month which reflect your commission meetings. And the the green boxes are days that are being proposed related to the adoption

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of the budget process. If you see for example in June and then you have a rule that you can in those summer months take uh only have one meeting for those so that you have vacation with family so on and so forth. So what we're trying to do is provide

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this schedule to see if there is a modification between your schedules that you have for planned vacations and the regular commission meetings and incorporating the important dates for the adoption of the budget process. What one recommendation in June would be to

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uh combine the June 2nd meeting and the June 16th meeting to we have to do a CIP workshop with you then we're proposing June 9th. So one consideration would be that you combine 16 and two into one meeting in the 9th and we would have CIP workshop and you would have a commission

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meeting that day. So that would be one recommendation. I take that. >> I I think that's smart. >> I'm good with that. >> No objection. Anything on the schedule that's problematic? I I won't be here July 7th. >> July 7th. We don't have anything scheduled. >> Where? >> July 7th. That's circled the commission.

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>> That's regular commission. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, >> just saying >> you you you it's being provided for you to look at any other months that you may want reduce to one meeting instead of having >> Why don't we do just July 21st? >> I I I may be traveling that week. So, I was just trying to call my wife, but she's not answering

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>> the 21st. So, >> and that day is a budget workshop and that evening is the adoption of the millillage will be advertised on the trim which is required to be submitted to the Miami date county property appraisers office before the 3rd or 5th of August.

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>> I I think this last year we we skipped the first July one and went to the 26 and combined everything. Obviously, you have to see if you're travel. >> Yeah, I just I think I'm traveling at the end of that month because I can't walk till then. So, um Do we want to maybe then take it the other way? See if

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we can do the budget workshop and everything on the 7th. >> I would just suggest at this point given the hour, uh, why don't we just take the schedule and let's discuss it May 5th and finalize it then? >> Can we do that? >> Yeah. I mean, do we have to make are there is there do we have to provide any notice to third parties about our intended schedule?

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>> Yeah, that's what I was just double checking. Is there anything that would impact our ability to notify? >> We have time. If we can do this and get this finalized by May 5th, we'll be back. >> I think that's May May I? >> Yes, you may. Of course. Can we just agree for June at least so they can >> I got no problem with June 9th.

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>> But let's do the June 9th and do the all collective meeting that day for sure and then we'll come back to you guys on May. Is that okay for July >> for July? >> I am and I'm fine. I'm fine. August 5th, September 8th. Um Tuesday, September 22nd, I'll be back because I'll be

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>> Do we want my daughter to college by then? >> Guys, look at August. >> Yeah. >> So that we're ready to talk about that one when we're here in May. Yeah. >> And and in September, would you prefer moving the 1st and the 15th to the 8th and the 22nd so they all coincide? >> That works again.

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>> On September, moving the 1st and the 15th to 8th and 22nd. >> Let's summarize. We're going to agree on the June dates, the June dates, the August dates, September dates. The only place that we're going to come back and revisit the July dates, right? >> Okay. >> So, in June, you're only planning to have one meeting. >> One meeting is fine. >> On the 9th. Okay.

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>> And in August, >> August we have uh nothing. That August date is a is a C is the last day we have to advise the property appraiser. So we'll have >> So do you want to do August 4th and not >> when we finalize the July date we'll have complied with that August 5th date.

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So the the bold dates are meeting dates that we have to have. Correct. >> The most important dates right now is she's asking about August. The August date is a third party. >> I have nothing scheduled. Right. I have nothing outside date for us to complete something. So if we do our work in July,

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we complete it by August 5th. The bold dates are the dates where we have to meet. Correct. >> Those are the dates that are first and third Tuesdays of the month. >> Correct. So >> if you want to meet once one time in August or both those days, >> we need to worry about August 5th is my point. >> I know. But yes, it's June, July,

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August, September. If I'm not mistaken, we can choose to have one commission meeting >> not instead. Okay. So June, July, August. Oh, November, December. >> November, December. Right. >> Um, >> so that's why I'm saying let's look at August the 2nd and see if we can come to an agreement because remember it's not

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just the five of us that are trying to go on vacation with their families. It's all these guys. >> Of course. Yeah. >> Yeah. Who cares about them? >> Yeah. Right. Who are these people? No. Um, so do we want to say >> Yeah. Do we want to say get rid of the August 4th meeting because on the 18th

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everybody's essentially starting to go back to school? >> Okay. So, we're not doing August 4th. We're sticking with the 18th. June 9th, we're doing everything. And then September, >> I think we I think we just said we we have no problem with the dates outline

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for all the months with the exception of July. >> Yes. But Alfredo just offered instead of meeting the 1st, the 8th, the 15th, and the 22nd to move the commission meetings to the 8th and the 22nd. >> Again, we said all of us said we have no objection to the schedule exception to confirming

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>> July. Sorry, I'm not speaking English today. >> Oh, yeah. >> Nearly 12. >> I know. >> Okay. Any further questions? So, we'll we'll revisit the July dates on May 5th. Thank you. Okay. Uh do we anything on

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reports that are urgent? Well, we have four minutes. What? >> No. Okay. That we stand in recess or adjourned. Thank you.