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Nikki, can you hear me? Unmute your computer. That usually works. Nikki, >> can you hear me now? It's okay. Don't worry. >> Good evening everyone. If you can please take your seats, we'd like to get

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started. And if we could uh yeah, if we could ask you to please uh silence or turn off your cell phones, we would greatly appreciate it. Thank you very much. No, it's George. >> Okay. Good evening everyone. Uh it is now 7:15 and we will call to order uh

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this meeting of the South Miami City Commission. Today is Tuesday, June 9th, 2026. Again, please silence or turn off your cell phones. We appreciate it. Madame clerk, if you could please call the role. >> Yes. Mayor Fernandez, >> present. >> Vice Mayor Corey, >> present. >> Commissioner Rodriguez,

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>> here. >> Commissioner Bonish, >> here. >> Commissioner Kay, >> here. >> You have a quum. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Uh, let's rise for a moment of silence and then followed by the pledge of allegiance. Would one of our scouts like to lead the

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pledge of allegiance? >> Raise your hand. Anybody want to volunteer? >> Raise your hand. >> Did you get a public speaking credit? >> There you go. Come on up. >> Come on up. >> Both of you. >> Come on up, guys. >> Come up to that microphone right there. I'll tell you when to get started. Okay.

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>> It's green. >> Okay, gentlemen. Go ahead. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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>> Hey, before you sit down, can you give us your names, please? >> Andrew. >> Andrew, what's your last name? Do you have one? >> Toa. Great. Where do you live? Andrew. >> Uh, Coral Gables. >> Awesome. How about you, sir? >> My name is Carlos Guerrero. >> Carlos, where do you live? I live in

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Miami. >> Great. How old are you guys or what grade are you just finished? >> I'm 12 years old and I just finished sixth grade. >> Awesome. And how about you? >> And what's what badge have you earned so far? >> Are you guys uh I forget I for I Bears or what are you now in the scouting

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process? >> We're both um tenderoot. >> Tender foot. >> Second class. Second class. >> Second class. Okay. Awesome. Thank you guys. Appreciate your help. Okay, we're going to move on to public remarks. Um, if you have not registered for public remarks, there is a list

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available up front. Please come up and register. Uh, on the list first is Yoel Valdez, uh, Master Road. Sir, good evening. You're recognized. >> Good evening. How you >> doing? Great. What's your name and address for the record, please?

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>> My name is Joel Valdez and I come representing Master Finishers Court and I'm here to say that there is a big mistake being made here today. >> Just to clarify, you're here on item two. >> Yes, item two. >> Thank you. >> There is a 1.4 and a half million

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dollars mistake being here uh made. I ask that you extend the uh the award date because we would like to have our company re-evaluated. We are more than uh capable and more than qualified uh

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for this job. Um we are bonded for over $20 million and which is like four times the value of of the project and have extensive experience in the field and we can present any evidence that that you

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would like uh references whatever whatever you guys need which we already presented. um for some reason uh or or another was looked over. >> Okay. >> So, we ask that we could extend the time and >> we appreciate your comments. What I'll

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do is since it's an item on the agenda, when it comes up, it's not a public hearing item, but since you're here, if you wait, when staff makes your presentation, if you want to add something else into the record by way of clarifying remarks, we can have some more conversation on that time. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you for coming.

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>> Uh Elizabeth Holtz, you're up next. >> Good evening. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. My name is Elizabeth Holes. I'm living 5871 Southwest 67th Street. And uh the house I'm living, my son is Rafael Hesman. He's the owner. I'm his

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mother. And I'm here to first of all to thank you, to thank you for your great team, for Mr. Alex Munos and also for Carlos to help us to make this street what is a very complicated street, you know, close to the school to make it a little bit more better. Thank you very much for this. First, the second point

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is we know that you building building urban related. Four years ago, my son wanted to do a two building on this lot. What is next to his to the house and what also belongs to him. But he was not allowed to do a two twotory house. So

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now I see that the city is allowing you know to do 11 uh unit building in front of us right in front of us. Before you understand, it's said that you would do little family houses like, you know, like town houses

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in front of us, but now it's not like this. And I see >> Sorry to interrupt. Can you can just because what is the address you're referring to again? >> 58 71. >> Okay. >> Southwest 67th Street. It's right next to the school and to the Little Children Hospital. >> Okay.

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>> Hi, my name is Gloria Brown and I'm also on the same uh street that Elizabeth live on. My address is 5899 Southwest 67th Street and I'm pretty much having the same concerns as Elizabeth is she's having so and I know

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and we want to thank you guys because you did come out like she said that we did get some results because we had very bad parking over there. So thank you for that. >> Yeah, no problem. So let let me clarify uh so we all level set. Uh the property across the street as you know is owned

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by the county. It's been a public uh housing site historically. Uh the building that's being built, unfortunately, it's not being approved by us. The county uh has the authority to take uh preempt our zoning powers and

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in this case they have and they've designated part of the rapid transit zone corridor and so they have assigned the zoning to that site and they are approving the project that's going on there. So with this board, we approve the first phase right under our rules, which is why it's very different in

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scale than what's being proposed there for that site under the county's rules. Okay. So um I am vaguely aware personally of what's on proposed for the site plan. I know it's probably north of about 650 units. It's a lot. Uh I'm not

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sure how tall it is any longer. uh understand the concern but unfortunately we are unable to really do anything about it uh sadly. >> So who can do something about it? >> I we'd have to direct you to the county uh your county mayor and your county commissioner. Okay, I understand this

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point very good from your side, but maybe you you understand as a city for pleasant living because this is your slogan. You could do also something because I live directly next to the school and there's even now you understand it's vacation but even on

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Sundays there's loud music, people do barbecue, you know, inside of the street and loud music comes from, you know, from the swimming pool. We have earphones in these days. I cannot sit in the garden during the day. Absolutely not because it's always loud. The music

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is really uh everybody has a different taste. But everything is happening in this little corner. The person, you know, the the people, you know, who collecting blood, you know, the guys there, then the other people with the fruits. Now you have the Soie building

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on this other side and there's an unbelievable beautiful park behind. Why the city, you understand, cannot, you know, make a little balance. You know that there is a balance that not everything is in this corner. This school is day and night open. So sometimes even the night. >> What school? I'm sorry. What school are

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you referring to? >> Mel Gypson. The school next to it. What is >> it's not it's not a school. It's it's the gym. Somi or the gym? I'm sorry. That's why I'm confused. >> No, no, no. It's What is the name of the school? You know where the gym is. Also >> the gym. So the gym and the school are not at all related.

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>> The children hospital is >> Yes, the clinic. Yes. >> Yeah. And this is the school. The school there. There's on the south side. Okay. So So you're at 5871. >> Yeah. I'm right away there at the corner. Okay. Right away. >> So >> the next block down is a school you're

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referring to. >> Yeah. It's right away on the other side. >> Okay. Okay. That is so me. Yes. >> And I think there could be, you know, when the city would make a little balance, you know, like a little balance because this building I see all the people from this building going also to the school and in one way could be also

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very dangerous one day. And when you when this will be there you know with a you know like so high and you know public uh building you know whatever I think you know then it gets really really you can hardly live there more

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and it's very it will be very difficult so we are really dependent on your health we are really dependent you know that you see it also you know from our side because when you would live there you would understand it better you know so >> no we understand it and I will say we

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another conflict like this that's being created on 62nd Avenue and we've decided as a you know individually that we want to jump in and work with the development team >> sure >> to make sure that we don't have the same imbalance on that side. Unfortunately, this one quite honestly my understanding

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it's already been approved >> at the county administratively. So I don't want to make you any promises that we can do anything here really to intervene >> and we just want to make sure that when this project is going on that uh to know because it going to be a mess. We already know that it going to

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be a mess. >> So on that point Mr. Manager is that it's this is not being permitted through our offices. Correct. It's being permitted through the county. So even on the building side I just want to clarify is it it's being reviewed by the county. So all the conflicts around construction staging and construction management

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where we may require a construction construction management plan. We don't have any purview over that. It's all being handled at the county. >> So again, I we're happy if you want to have staff speak to you and put you in contact with some of the district 7 staff so you can kind of meet with them and they can tell you how they're going to manage this process.

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>> Okay. Yeah. Because I know right now we already having problems with the the department on the other side with the parking. sometime I come out that my mailbox are being blocked, my my driveway are being blocked >> and that we've been working on because that is something we've been managing. You know, we we did create a no parking area on the west side and started to

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clamp down on the enforcement there and on the northern street I think where you live. >> So hopefully that situation has gotten better over the last year or so. The thing is also you know sorry I don't want to interrupt you but you have so old I mean I was born in Germany I was educated in Germany but I'm wondering

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really when I travel to Europe you know that this city you know is you know has so old signs there they're looking like 150 years old 200 years old some of them and of course people people really can't see how long they can park when they can

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only park there four hours and there's a sign then know that they only can park four hours because we have always to go there. We have to call and this and this and this and a lot of people they you know they're parked there all night because they don't go in the building and they don't want to pay the parking

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there. I understand everything >> you're talking about on 67th Avenue 67th Street >> we can we can work we can work with you and Mr. to Riverall to kind of set up a resident parking >> area there and and help manage that with

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you know uh you all getting you know Alfredo decals thank you for the word decals so that we know who lives there right and we can enforce the cars that are just parking on the street without without authorization >> I think we are the only from the streets who are going here and speaking to you

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you know and make us visible to you it's not easy you know because before you know building was very very very hot. I'm already very happy that the street is now I hired you understand a person who's going once a week there now with a

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blower you know a very nice person who does this because the city by itself obviously you know cannot do it but you know when I go out of the house and I see you know all this mess I I don't like >> well your house looks immaculate so thank you for that I will tell you

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>> I like it and you know I I like to do pleasant like you said you know Miami pleasant living. So really thank you for listening to us and please you know help us a little bit that we get a little bit balanced you know about the noise you know so talk to the school maybe you

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know so to have better arrangements. >> Okay thank you so >> thank you very much Mr. River. You can speak to him about the parking decal program and we'll get >> Is this Carlos? >> No, >> Carlos is there. There you go. >> Carlos Carlos did a very good job. There you go. >> I did not know him from Faze. I talked

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to him on the phone and he's very polite and the whole city is great. You have great team. Really, I have to tell you this. This is wonderful that we can talk to you and thank you again. >> Thank you for coming. We appreciate it. >> Okay. >> Okay. Next on the list, Miss Gloria Brown. We got you already. I'm sorry,

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Gloria. Mr. Ward, you're next on the list. I apologize. I'm going to talk about my favorite subject tonight called elections. I was I don't know if it was Facebook or neighbors that mentioned just briefly that there's an election coming up in

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the city of South Miami and three of you are going to be there and I thought about the last couple of elections and I was talking to Commissioner Corey before the meeting and I said, "I wish

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you all could establish a maximum amount of money you could collect, but He mentioned that's probably not legal. And I said, I think you're right. But at the same time, I do wish that we could encourage

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candidates to at least be reasonable. I managed 11 campaigns in this city, and the most money I ever raised was just a little over 18,000 for a mayor's race. That was Rabbina.

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And uh most of the time you could get elected with as a commissioner for around $14,000 easily. Today I think you could take a good candidate and probably easily

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win an election in this city spending no more than $25,000. That'd be a lot. And that's one of the reasons I quit managing campaigns is because it became money and not personal contact. the way we used to do.

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And I know mayor, you're up for reelection and the people on each corner of the disor, they're up for reelection also. So take into considerations. I tried to get people to run for office in the last two elections and all of

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them, there were five, and they told me point blank, I can't compete in an election like that. Why raise that much money? Just briefly telling you 18,000 up until about 2022.

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And since that time, we've had one person in 22 that raised 64,000, a little over. We had one that raised 33,000 and another one that raised 18,000 which was almost okay. In this

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last election, I could not believe the winning candidate raised just right at 68,000. The loser raised $12,000.

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We have r roughly 13,000 voters in the city. I would I believe I'm correct in which there was just maybe 4,000 voters. And if you divide dollar

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by the number of votes, $12,000 and 13,000 voters, if you got them all, it'd be out of sight. So people, all three of you that are going to run for reelection, keep that in mind. You can you can do it at least no more than

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40,000. You could make an easy in 40,000. And being an incumbent, you could probably make it easy in about 20. Thank you, sir. We appreciate the comments. Mr. Williams, you're up next. >> Good evening. um hate to correct my

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former assistant principal. There's 13,000 residents in the city, roughly 72 73 7300 registered voters. So, I just want to correct the record and I know. I'm going to read something.

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Miami's rentals crisis is no longer just a talking point. It's now officially the worst in the nation. Out of 182 US cities ranked by Wal Wallet Hub for rental affordability,

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Miami lands dead last, underscoring the growing divide between the city luxury fuel growth and financial realities facing each and everyday residents. While high profits and

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billionaires including Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, and Zuckerberg continue to flock to South Florida, many middle class Miamiians are struggling to keep up with the soaring housing cost and stagnant

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wage growth. According to Zillow data cited to cited in the report, Miami's average rent is now sits at around $3,150 per month, while the medium household

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income hovers near 62,000 annually, leaving many residents spending well above the record recommended one-third of their income on housing. The f the findings also paint A broader

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picture for Florida with no city in the state ranking within the top 100 rental affordability highlighting the non I'm sorry highlighting the mounting pressure affordability challenges and placing on

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community across South Florida. What are we going to do? We're building all these apartments here and the people that I know, middle class people are struggling to stay in them.

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South Miami has a lot going on be the city of pleasant living or the city of expensive living. Thank you um public works director for talking to me about this the CIP

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projects. I agree with we should do a full zoning of the city as far as the zones and breaking it down about the traffic calming and everything because it's it's it's out of control in my neighborhood. I can't speak for all the rest, but it's out of control in my

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neighborhood. I already told you my horror story. Um what else I want to talk about? Oh, 62nd 64th Street. So, after over a month, we haven't heard from the county about the lights. So, I

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guess I'm going have to email Mayor Cava again and the chief of public works of the county again like I did with US1 because this is ridiculous. I mean, I'm about to have eye surgery on my left

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eye from diabetes. I'm already impaired in the daytime, but at night I don't even want to I'm scared to cross that road. And just a month ago when we had the food trucks at my Olive, I

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almost witnessed two kids get hit by a car because those lights weren't working. And we were talking like two months ago. So infrastructure, I mean, come on. We can do better at South Miami. That's

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all I can say. We do a lot better. >> Thank you, Travis. Uh John Edward Smith, you're next on the list. >> Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, members of the commission, city administration, uh, John Edward Smith, a

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resident of South Miami for many years. Matter of fact, that's what I want to talk about this evening. Um, upcoming this week, June 14th, uh, is a very important day for me. Has nothing to do with the UFC or

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>> That's is certainly a good thing. Uh, it's the day I moved into South Miami. um one year after the Knicks won their last championship. >> Oh. >> So that was 1974 that I moved into South Miami. Um and as we look to celebrate

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our 100th anniversary coming up delighted to know that half of my life has been spent here in the city of South Miami and pleased to be part of the history of South Miami. uh and making

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the contribution that um as a as a child I was always taught you need to give back. You need to be part of something. You need to make something happen and and be part of change. And I'm really delighted that I was able to do that over these years.

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Um we've had a lot of changes. I remember when my daughter was born in 1983 in May. That was the year that the Metro Rail came in. And I remember holding her as a baby in

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our backyard and thinking, "You're never going to know what it was like not to hear this noise." And um sure enough, I think it's gotten worse over the years, frankly. >> Um that's because we never had the

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budget together to put um rubber tires on the on the metro rail to start off with. >> But anyway, so we're dealing with that as well. But it's been a good 52 years and I'm pleased to u continue to

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contribute to the city and thank you. >> Thank you, sir. We appreciate you. Uh, Elizabeth Marin, next on the list. >> You sure? >> Okay, no problem. Uh, Javier Banos

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and Jav, I won't comment on the uniform. I promise. >> What's up, man? >> How are you? >> Long time. >> Long time. Last time I spoke in this commission was 2012, so it's been quite a bit. Okay. So, I still own my house at

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4240 62nd Avenue in South Miami. I am the transfer to the Gables. I am the charter organization representative for Troop 16. Who are the all here? Boy Scouts in Santa Teresa Boy Scouts in in

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Little in Little Flower. But >> why why are you all here this evening? >> Oh, well, I I'll get to that, mayor, in a minute. Okay. Always you're ahead of me, sir. Uh but you know before you guys were all elected uh I was a I sat on one

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of those chairs and I'm happy to see that Mr. Moore is here. Mr. Williams still here Smith is still here. Where are you? Um and the only one I miss is Sharon McCain. But so I don't know about you guys. >> So >> I think we're good. But thank you for mentioning her.

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>> So anyway uh but it it's it's nice to see that we still have the same comments. But uh uh but at any rate um so just a few remarks. Good good evening mayor, commissioner, city staff uh scout um scout leaders, parents and members of

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the public. My name is Javier Banos. I am here today with scout uh troop 16. I want to thank the city of South Miami for welcoming our scouts and giving them the opportunity to observe local government in action. Today's visit is part of their work together. uh the

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merit badges involved in citizenship in the community, communications, public speaking and learning about government and civil participation, but more importantly, it's an opportunity for them to see the government is not something not something far away in Washington DC or Tallahassee. Government

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begins right here in city hall, commission chambers, neighborhoods, parks, streets, schools, and everyday um actions in effect on family and residents. Uh for our scouts be uh um for our scouts being here is a lesson in

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citizenship that learning the public service requires listening, preparation, patience, respect and a willingness to hear different points of view. They're also learning that particip participating in government is not just a right but a responsibility. Whether they are speaking at a meeting, volunteering in a community, helping a

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neighbor, or simply paying attention to the issues that affect the city, they already beginning to understand what is means to be active citizen. Scouting, scouting, teachings, leadership, service, duty to country, and a duty to others. Those values are closely connected to what's happening in this room. Local government gives you young

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people a chance to for leadership in practice. Not a little but a service to the community. On behalf of Trip 16, thank you for allowing our scouts to attend or serve and learn. We hope today encourages them to stay involved, ask questions, speak respectfully, and understand that the voices matter in

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shaping the view the future of their community. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Boss. And to you and the other fathers and mothers who volunteer, thank you for uh your service as a volunteer to scouting. >> Thank you very much. Okay, boys. >> If you would like to speak in any way, shape, or form, okay, and you wanted to

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give your speeches, you're welcome to do so. Okay, >> it's public remarks, so it's open. You get >> three minutes. You can come talk about anything you want. We got to listen to you, sir. Come on up. >> Come. You got to come to the microphone. Might as well take advantage and get a public speaking badge while you're here.

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>> Is there a water fountain? Okay. So, just in case, there's a bathroom out the door to the left. Okay. Can't miss it. If you want a water bottle, we've got one right behind the clerk here. So, if you're nice, she'll get she'll get they'll get you one. Okay.

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>> Any water bottles? >> No. There you go. >> Anybody else want to speak? >> Who's brave enough to come up and say something? >> Mr. Mr. Leone, you're recognized. Floor is yours. Let's go, sir.

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>> Mr. Leone, should I get the Should I get our officer in the back to come in and squirt you up to the microphone? >> No. >> No takers. >> I promise we don't bite up here. Actually, you know what? >> Let's sweeten the pot. Literally, do we

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still have cookies left over? >> They are. Okay. Anybody who comes up and speaks, there are chocolate chip cookies in the room, you can walk away with Mr. Bass, you get paid to speak. No, no double dip. Okay. If you're a Boy Scout

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and you want to come up and speak. Oh, hey. Oh, look. This may taking us up on the offer. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Stop. >> The question that I had before Yeah. is one that's not strictly related to South Miami. I live in on that little strip of

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42nd terrace where part of my street is South Miami and the other part is unincorporated in county. >> Yep. >> I understand that South Miami is doing a project to have a septic to sewer conversion and I understand there's probably going to be part of some

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comments on that later in the meeting. What I wanted to know is what are the chances of getting involved in that because it would be really nice to be on the city of Pleasant Living sewer system as opposed to being the septic person across the street. That was my question.

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>> Great. So, um the the basin that you're talking about is not part of the project that we may award this evening. Uh it's our priority base at the southern end of the city near Dante Pel Park. So, we've been working on a series of priority basins. That basin and one near Twin

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Lakes are our top two priority basins. And so, those will probably go first at some point in our master plan. resources permitting will hopefully get to the rest of the city. Okay, >> thank you very much, mayor. I'll wave my right to the cookie. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay, boys. Chocolate chip cookies on the line. Who wants to come up and speak? You get your mayor badge and a cookie. >> Okay, we're going to give it going once. >> I I'm eating the cookies. >> Yeah, going twice, not one. Wow. Okay. Well, then we're

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going to go ahead and close public remarks unless uh madam clerk, is there someone online? >> Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand if you would like to speak during public remarks. >> Okay, >> Kai, you wanted to say something in

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public remarks. >> Mr. Bos, I had a question for you. Um, >> we I I re I just had a meeting today about other scouts. Um, I forgot what what what number they were, what um Michael, but they were really interested

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in doing some community service projects collectively with other packs and stuff like that. Is that something that we can kind of get more people involved as a community ser? I mean, I don't know what the age requirements are, if it's older, younger, so they can start working on that. But there is a lot of

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opportunities that we have in the city that we're going to start working on where we can have a lot more help from scouts like that. So part of scouting uh part of the education process. So the the there are two levels of scouting. There's cup scouting which essentially

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it's uh from five years old to fifth grade and then from sixth grade onwards all the way to 18 is their former scouts. But as they go through that they have to go through advancements and as and merit badges. And that requires them >> to actually do public service. Besides

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the fact that one of the One of sections of the scout law is uh it's that the scout has to provide service to the community. >> Okay. >> So, we're more than welcome and you were more than happy to to participate in any activities you uh you guys uh are available. Just they've done tree

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planting. They've done service with the American Legion in the retirement of flags. They typically go to the cemetery and and and uh so they do all type of activities and they can be physical in nature of them building something out or they can just be cleaning or so. But

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again, you're talking about four scouts uh from sixth grade all the way to uh most of them uh is 16. This is primarily middle school to early high school activity. >> All right. Well, keep your mind open if you're looking for more activities. >> We are. So, I'll the mayor has my

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contact. I'll be happy to give it to you. So, you know, I know you guys going to talk to each other unless you're up here, but >> not we're not taking action on Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts. So, we can I can I can pass your number to >> You're about to have an election, Mr. Mayor. You know, things are touchy. Uh

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but anyway, uh but sure, I'm I'm happy to to volunteer. Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much, guys. Appreciate it. >> Thank you guys for coming. Okay, we're going to close public remarks and uh Mr. City Manager or Mr. Is there any item

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that we need to defer on this agenda? Okay. So, okay. The agenda is otherwise set then. Okay. No deferrals, no requests for non-action. Huh? >> Which are the which are the uh procurement items we need to take up

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first? Two. >> Derek, can you observe if you want to take a picture? >> Yeah, we have a birthday boy in the house. Mr. Steen Kula who's our procurement director. So we want to help usher him. Happy birthday sir.

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Much good. We want to try to get him home to his family. So item two. Any other items? >> Two two three four. Are those the only items we have? >> Three or four. I mean they're just agreements for the consultants. >> Okay. Let's let's Can you read to the

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record item item three and item four? Madam clerk. >> Let's get to two last. I know. But let's get to two last since we do have a potential >> objector. >> Item three, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving a proposal and project

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agreement with Stant Consulting Services, Inc. to provide owners representative project management services for the septic to sewer conversion sub area K phase 2 project and amount not to exceed $169,178. >> If you can read item four as well. Item

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four, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida approving the proposal and project agreement with SRS Engineering Inc. for construction phase services for phase two of the sub area K sanitary sewer improvements project and amount not to

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see $200,46528. >> Okay, colleagues, any questions regarding item three or four? >> Can I get a motion on item three, please? >> I'll move it. >> A motion. I'll second. >> Okay, I got a motion by Commissioner Bonich and a second by Commissioner Caya. Madam clerk, if you can call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish, >> yes.

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>> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 5-0. >> Is there a motion to adopt item four? >> I'll move. Okay, I'll second. >> A motion by Commissioner Cay and a second by Commissioner Monich. Madam Clerk, if you can again call the role,

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please. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez? >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item passes 5-0. >> Okay. Let's take the harder one up now which is item two. If you could read that into the record please. >> Yes. Item two. A resolution of the mayor

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city commission of the city of South Florida selecting and awarding construction contract to Pavon Engineering Inc. for the phase 2 accepted to sewer improvements project in amount not to see 6,670,667 pursuant to invitation to a bid number

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PW206-03. >> Thank you. Um, Mr. Attorney, before we start, since I know that Mr. Valdez was here, uh, on behalf of, I guess, Master Road, is there anything from a procedural perspective or any >> is it okay if I recognize him for two to

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three minutes in terms of allowing him some rebuttal? The staff represent him >> without prejudice to our position on the issue. >> Correct. You can certainly hear. >> Fair enough. So, Mr. Valdez, what I'm going to do is have staff come up and give us their presentation, their rationale for making the reward. You can listen to it if you want to then add

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something into the record for us to consider before we act. I'll afford you the opportunity once they're complete. Okay. Okay. So, uh, Mr. Manager, floor is yours. >> Thank you, mayor. We'll have, uh, our director of public works, Alex Muse, come up. Um, as you know, uh, we were

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working on phase two of a septic to sewer uh, project. Right now, we're in phase one closing that out. Um, this phase would continue that project. uh this part of the project, phase one had a pump station included in in the design. This phase is is really just

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pipe work. And I'll let u our director uh go through the project and this bid award recommendation. >> Thank you, Mr. Munoz, you're recognized. >> Alex Moses, director of public works. So, yes, the uh proposals were evaluated. Uh the city received 11

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proposals uh and in line with you know procurement requirements they were evaluated based on responsiveness and and price. Uh in doing that it was found that uh the uh three lowest proposals and that's in reflected in the memorandum. uh the three lowest

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proposals were not responsive uh missing information uh that was to be provided as required by the procurement documents and the lowest responsive uh proposal was uh the fourth one pabone engineering uh on page two of your memorandum uh

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there's a section there that says while three bids received contain lower prices than the recommended award responsiveness review against the ITB requirements determined these biders to be non-responsive specifically The lower price firms failed to provide mandatory information required by the ITB. Uh the

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deficiencies occurred in the following categories. Proof of experience personnel experience lack of documentation. Uh and the bid requires specific information on key personnel, similar projects in the past, amount of projects that are to be provided as

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examples and uh certain safety information. Uh so in the case of the three lower uh biders, uh the information was missed in those categories. So the recommendation is based on the lowest response of responsible bidder.

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>> Colleagues, any questions of Mr. Moss? Mos just just since we have the again master road finishers here. Can you can you elaborate on what was missing specifically from their proposal? >> Yep. Proof of experience. Uh number of firms that were to be number of projects

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that were to be provided. Uh there was uh on the safety record there was two questions. They got the first one but not the second one on the safety record. Uh the bidder qualifications uh were not fully provided. The key personnel and similar projects uh detail also.

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>> Okay. Any questions regarding those omissions? Yes, sir. You're recognized. >> And and the the contractor that's that was chosen was did provide these items? >> Yes. >> Thank you. And just for the record, Munosk, I recall when we discussed this

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in my briefing, there were roughly a checklist of 23 items. >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, it depends how you break them down. I guess >> that was what I remembered my number being. So, they the the again the contractor we are you're recommending we select provided all 23 items. >> Yes.

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>> Okay. And do we have any information on what again from Mr. about that so you can hear the detail roughly how they graded out on requirements versus actually requirements satisfied on that checklist. >> Uh 23 of 23 versus 18 of 23.

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>> Okay. Thank you. Okay. Yes, you're recognized, sir. >> Hi. Uh so he had mentioned the uh bonding proof as as as a point, but you didn't mention that. Was that not a def? >> He complied with bonding. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> Yeah, he did comply. That's a good point. Yes, he did comply with bonding.

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That wasn't one of the considerations uh in his particular evaluation. He did comply. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Further questions? Okay. Um Mr. Moss, we'll pause there. If we have any follow questions, we'll recognize you again. Mr. Valdez, if you want to come up now, I'll give you a

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couple minutes. >> Okay. Uh to the best of my knowledge, we did provide the experience and what was required. Now, for >> sorry, to the best of your knowledge, you did or did not. I'm sorry. >> We did. We did. >> Did. Okay. >> Now, for us to be bonded alone, I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with the

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bonding process, we have to submit a number of things, jump through a number of uh loopholes, jobs completed, uh financial statements, you you think about it, and we had to do it. So, for a company just bond us alone, uh I think that makes us

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qualified. We have the infrastructure, we have the capability, we own our own machinery, we own more than8 million dollars worth of machinery. Um, I just think that it's a mistake. Uh, and we should be awarded the the project. It's

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1 point $1.4 million uh difference that the city is spending more uh for, you know, for no reason, I would say in my opinion. Um, two more weeks or one more week reevaluate. I could submit

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everything, whatever you guys request. Um, and you guys can save yourself $1.4 million. >> Thank you for that. >> Okay, colleagues, any discussion on the item? >> You're recognized. >> Thank you.

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>> Do we ever reopen these things based on this type of conversation or have we? So >> let me ask this question if I may just to build on your maybe your thought. >> Was there is there an opportunity to cure on the part of the bid or if there's missing information? So were

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they notified that there was information missing and were they given a chance to supplement their submitt was that offered to all the parties none of the parties some of the parties commissioner is that what you were going >> more or less? Yes. But no, because what I'm I >> what I'm trying to figure out is

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>> if >> if we ever go back simply because there is such a such as he does mention it's over a million dollars. A million dollars is the parking lot at South Miami Park. >> Um so when you look at this, how often

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or do we ever say, "Hey, let's open it up again, reach out to these, you know, to these five people or whatever." Do we ever do that? I don't I don't. >> So, no, because we can't reach out to them in the way that that you're that you're contemplating. Well, what we

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could do is throw out the process and start over and rebid it. >> So, then all these people would have to bid up. >> We have to rebid. Correct. There there's there's there's a way to do that. Um there's also a way when there are minor irregularities that those can be waved. When they are minor, when they're more

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significant, it those are not minor irregularities. This is a question of um and you heard Mr. Munoz mentioned responsiveness and response and responsibility. >> Responsiveness is did you provide all the information that you were supposed to provide?

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>> Uh wait, we've already we've already given you an opportunity if if you >> you've heard from Mr. Munoz the analysis that there were 23 roughly 23 items and that that this this particular bid in question had only 18 of the 23 items. um

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that the the bid selected was provided all 23 of the of the 23 items. That's what you that's the the what the staff analysis has revealed. >> Can I can I ask a followup question that Mr. Mos and maybe Mr. Kulick? I'm assuming we had a bit information session where people could come ask

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questions make sure they understood what was required in the solicitation by way of responses and documentation. Sorry to make you work on your birthday, Steve. >> Work more. >> Yeah, we had a pre- bid meeting. I forget the date. And then we with every bid, including this one, there's a time

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for submitted of questions. And then we respond back out in addendum. So, everybody that either asked a question or didn't gets the benefit of those questions and responses so they can, you know, help uh formulate their proposals. So, there was a pre-bid and a question

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answer process during the whole process. >> Thank you. Colleagues, any other questions? Okay, let's just close questions and let's discuss the item if you want and then we'll entertain a motion. Bad commissioner, do you want to start? You said your piece. Okay. Okay.

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Commissioner K, anything you want to add for the discussion? >> I just had one question. The source of funding for this particular contract is the uh >> it's a combination of local money match federal and state, right? Yes, sir.

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>> Further questions or comments? Mr. Vice Mayor, >> for me, I just want to say I mean based on what it sounds like, it seems like it was fair by our processes and just looking at the price, it is below the median of of range within the proposal. So, I'm not as concerned on on the price side. Obviously, one was more affordable

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than others, but we followed it fairly and it's below the median. >> Okay. >> I mean, for me typically, um, sir, I I I I have been through the bonding process many times. Um, I'm bonded in construction, not like you in, uh,

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underground work, but um, so it is it's a it's an audit that that that you get. Typically, I would just move on and and say you didn't submit what you needed to do. But when we're talking about what is it $1.4 million at a time where we don't

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know how the future or what the future holds, um is that a big enough number where we want to I don't know analyze this a little bit more or or is everyone okay with just moving forward?

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>> Sorry, we're we're closed with any public comment on this. So >> it's it's just a number for me is the the only deciding factor at this point. >> I I understand the reservation on the on the delta. I will tell you this the last experience we had we went with the low

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bid and again that that firm was bonded. To me the bonding is obviously it's a minimum requirement. part of the part of the process given the nature of this work which is very much in your face literally in the trenches with neighbors whose lives you are disrupting is about making sure that you've got excellent

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communication and I think that communication process starts with putting together a bid document that's fully responsive to me it's an indication of how much the person really took the time energy effort to understand what we're trying to accomplish to meet our goals and our

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objectives I'm going to guess without putting words in Mr. M just's mouth that was part of the reason why they were so exacting in their analysis to break it down to that level of detail because I will tell you the last firm we worked with not disparaging the quality of their work but the communication was

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abysmal and the coordination was abysmal as someone who lived that experience right on the street. So I would tell you we probably went the route of trying to save every dollar the last time. Um, I

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don't know that it necessarily saved us the money because you all know that we've had to spend a lot of money on thirdparty consultants to manage the contractor uh given their performance. And so I just, you know, you know, sometimes we can be penny wise and pound foolish with these choices. I having had

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a long conversation with Mr. Munoz about it, I'm very comfortable with how they scrutinized this bid and the level of detail they went through. And I think it's a I think it's a recommendation founded on uh based on really that recent experience uh where certainly

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dollars matter but it should not be the only measure of someone's responsiveness. And again we're you know again I'm not trying to cast any dispersion on anybody in their ability to communicate or manage a job that bid bid and maybe did not provide all the documentation but to me it certainly is

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I mean Sir, sir, the floor's closed. I I mean, I didn't have to recognize you at all. We did as a courtesy. I'm not going to have a back and forth on it. If you want to if you want to follow protest, you I don't know if you still have the ability to do that or not. It's your prerogative, but um and I mean, I'm sure

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you've got information about that in the packet as well. I'm just speaking from my personal experience having lived this project. We're going it's going to be in my neighborhood again. uh you know it's it's not an easy thing to manage even though a lot of the work here is not as complicated as the first

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phase but I think you know for my money um having someone that we know has kind of gone through the process demonstrated their ability to kind of understand the documents understand what we're looking for deliver all that to me speaks volumes of the kind of contractor we're

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possibly going to engage my two cents any any closing comments yes sir >> may I and obviously these process are are difficult because you know they're difficult um from the standpoint of making sure you have a a qualified bidder but but there's a there's a state

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statute also dictates a little bit of what this process is and as an ITB there's a legal standard to be met which is responsive and responsible bidder and so what what I caution us is that there may be somebody who has met those requirements they may not be cheapest and therefore they'll have a claim you

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know if somehow those things are summarily dismissed right and that's just the nature of of an ITB and state statute. It's just not only, you know, our own code. Um, so yes, I would I rather do something cheaper, of course. But I just want to bring that standard into this conversation. >> Mr. Man, you bring you bring up a a good

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point beyond the standard. I think we also need to think about we put out a notice and invitation to bid. If we don't live by the terms, we're reducing the amount of predictability and it's going to reduce the amount of I mean, we had 11 responses here in contrast to the last one. I think that also speaks

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volumes about the level of predictability people see when they want to contract with us. If we walk away from a solicitation and a process that we designed, right, send a message to the market that could undermine our ability to get better pricing on future projects. I just want to make that that

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that closing remark as well. >> Do you want to come to the microphone? If you give me your name and address on the record, please. Thank you. >> My name is Lilani Delgado. I'm with Master Road as well. So, um I did write an email early today on how to protest

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this um ongoing situation and that I did get an email from the city saying that uh you guys don't have a proper way to protest. So, I would consider something in regards to that. There should be a way to protest this. >> There is. There is. I got an email

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saying there isn't that I should go through the proper >> legal if I may address. >> You may please. >> Thank you. Thank you. That there is a legal protest procedure. You are welcome to avail yourself of that. We do not have a separate protest procedure. That's the email that you got today. >> Got it.

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>> So we don't have an administrative process. Correct. There is a legal process. So again, you are within your rights to do >> whatever you feel is appropriate. Again, I I >> No, of course. >> We we look we hopefully there'll be an opportunity for us to contract. This is not a one-off project for for us. Hopefully, most definitely.

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>> We'll see what happens with November and our ability to do more projects, but again, we I wanted to expand on the record loop. You understand why we're making the choice that we're making. It's not just about every dollar. >> Understood. Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Further questions, comments? No. Is there a motion? >> I'll move it. >> Second. >> Okay. Motion by Commissioner Kaya, second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madame clerk, if you can call the role on item two, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes.

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>> Commissioner Nish, >> no. >> Vice Mayor Py, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes forward. >> Thank you, Steve. Happy birthday. Get on home. >> You got consent, too.

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>> Yeah. Uh let's move to uh consent item one please. Item one, a res a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of suffer selecting and awarding a contract for construction to HG construction

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development and investment inc for the South Park parking lot improvements project in amount not to see 1,17,029 including contingency pursuant to invitation to bid number PR 2026-05. >> Thank you madam clerk. Colleagues, is

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there any questions regarding CA1? >> You have a question. Go ahead, ma'am. >> Can we please clarify where the funds for this are coming from? >> Mr. Manager, uh these are are part of our uh CIP U

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general fund in our current uh we have about 1.2 uh million dollars. Obviously, it's a little bit short of that. Thank you. >> Further questions? Okay, Mr. Rodriguez. >> No, no, I'm ready to move it. >> Move it. Then if you'd like >> move the motion.

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>> Is there a second? >> Second. A motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Commissioner Cory. Madam Clerk, if you can call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Bonish, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 5 Z. >> Thank you. Okay, let's take up the

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presentations quickly. Mr. Riverall, Oh, he was he stepped out. Okay, let's take up another item while we're waiting then. >> Uh, can we >> Oh, Carlos Maringo from last. We'll we'll introduce our our two companies that'll be presenting. >> Sorry, Carlos. Good evening. Good to see you.

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>> Good evening, mayor, commissioner, city manager, deputy city manager, and city attorney. Carlos Monenko, parking manager. So, first we're going to do the presentation. And uh we have Sean Grimes up city in partnership with pay back home and Japan just another parking app

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will be presenting after virtually. >> Thank you. And just by way of context um I've been talking with Mr. Riverall about trying to enhance people's ability to kind of find parking in the district became aware of uh one of these vendors and forward

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along the information. and he then shared with me the fact that now pay by phone which I my recollection when I lived in DC used to have the ability to find parking um on their platform is now partnered with up city. So the the idea was to have a conversation as we kind of

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started our budgeting process about whether or not we want to look at integrating some of this technology to manage our on street uh parking inventory and our off street parking inventory in particular and kind of reduce the friction for people coming into South Miami, you know, shop, eat or d shop or dine in

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particularly when I know we hear a lot of complaints about the scarcity of parking. often that's not true, but people just to know where their available parking is located. And hopefully this will reduce uh enhance their experience uh with either or both of these um uh technology options or

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others. >> Yeah, they basically so let's go through the presentation. You'll have a they'll tell you how it works, but basically through these apps, they you'll see that they will help you direct you to available parking inventory in in the city. You just give us your name and address

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for the record, please. Thank you. >> Absolutely. Sean Grimes from Up City. I don't live in Florida. You still want my address? >> We'll we'll let it go. Thank you. >> 2971 California. Um, thank you to the mayor, vice mayor, and the members of the commission for

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sorry giving us this opportunity to uh demonstrate our technology. Um so as you perfectly teed up mayor uh we hear this about three to four times every single day probably. Uh common perception is there is no parking in my city. Uh and

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we've heard that um clearly uh working with members of your city as well that the perception often is that there's no parking on street or off streetet. Um and we do have proposed solutions for this. Uh as you mentioned, we have a

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strategic partnership with pay by phone and this allows us to capitalize on exist existing infrastructure but also uh as you said offer ways for people to find parking for constituents uh tourists in the area, anyone uh with the

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pay by phone app. Um this is our technology. Uh it is a sensor, not a camera. It senses both people and vehicles but without identifying their faces nor their license plates and yet we're still able to show people where parking is. We can also scale for other

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use cases like pedestrian counting for economic development. And uh we can also we have a noise sensor as well here which does not record anything but can be set to a decibel level and give the city real-time alerts as well. So, um,

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some advantages to our technology because it's a sensor, not a camera. It's low cost. We're going to get into that. We know that South Miami has very big, uh, plans here for smart plans for development, so we can scale with you. Um, each sensor can do all of these use

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cases, so as you see fit. Uh, we're going to go over the proposed zone here in a second. You could add sensors in the future. Um, also, it's mounted to a pole. It can also be mounted to palm trees. that's been proposed as well. Um, and so if you

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have any road works, sensor is not affected, which is helpful. And please interrupt me if you do have any questions or I can take them later. Uh, immediate impact is really what we're going for here. Again, partnering with Pay by Phone. We have Stephen, a member of Pay by Phone here with us today in case you have any questions for

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him specifically. But in the last year, uh, you all have had about 200,000 people using the Pay by phone app for parking here in South Miami. about 40,000 people every month use it uh more than once. So good user adoption

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already. So immediate impact there. And typically when we partner together at cities, this is for you know it it can be um these are generic statistics that don't necessarily correlate to every single city, but usually we see parking

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turnover improve which small businesses businesses of all size love. Right? you have a person coming to do their business, but then they do their business and free up a spot for an additional customer to uh to do their business. Congestion goes down, you have less people circling, and you have

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people finding parking generally about 5 minutes faster than they would without an app. Um, we have three specific parking use cases in here. So, people get to find a parking spot. The city gets its own pipeline for data uh for vehicles and

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people and again the data is yours. You will have this data to do with it as you will put it in city dashboards etc. And also uh we do have an app for guided enforcement. So an enforcement officer can sit there with their own iOS or Android app see a double parking

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incident issue a ticket. they can see somebody overstaying a particular stay in a parking spot, give them a ticket, but an officer has to do that. Here's our pricing for the first year. We're having a promotion with Pay by

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phone uh to offset costs. Uh essentially, we co-lease these sensors. And the reason why we do that is we want to make sure that we're standing behind our equipment for the duration of the contract. So, hurricane happens,

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something, we replace this on our dime. Or if somebody takes a skateboard to this, we replace this on our dime. So, there's a lot of uh incidents, you know, in the middle of hurricane and skateboard uh that we absolutely want to um make sure our

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equipment stays uh you know, in service. Um so, that is no cost to the city for the first year. Uh we do generally ask that cities pay for the installation and generally that's a good thing because cities typically like to use their own folks to to install these things for various reasons. Obviously we guide

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people, train people, all that's included in our services. Um and here's the pricing uh for the future. So I forgot to point out one of the most important parts. See I told you I'd have

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problem with back John. Oh, >> there we go. Oh, >> I work for a technology company. Uh, that guarantee statement. So, if for any reason the city wants to cancel our service within first year for convenience, you can do so, no charge.

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That's how confident we are in this technology and the solution. Uh, should you want to renew starting year two, those that's our pricing right there with some discounts for multi-year contracting. uh since again we work with cities big and small all over the

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country and we know cost containment is a big issue. So there's our our pricing. Um as I said I've got a couple colleagues uh Rock who represents the Southeast. He's uh here in the black jacket and in the gray jacket Stephen

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from Payback. So um hopefully that was five minutes of time but happy to answer any questions that you all might have uh either during this period or obviously offline. Thank you. Uh, quick questions, colleagues. Go left to right, ladies first. >> Thank you. So, literally I'll be able to

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pop open pay by phone if this existed here and click find a spot and it would send me to wherever the spot was. >> Yes, correct. So, typically the way we deploy this is rather than showing an available spot, we show an available block. And that's a good thing because

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what if somebody takes that one free spot? We have logic that actually will take them to uh well like for example I had lunch at uh Kuban there >> Kasakuba. Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh let's say one half of the block

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is full the other half has uh five open spots. Well, we'll guide them there. But what if that whole street is completely taken? We'll take them to the next available block. >> But hopefully that answered your question. The other key thing here, it goes to my

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second slide, is let's say that whole block is completely full. The garage always shows on the wayfinding app. So again, if people think, oh, well, the garage must be full. Well, we have a sensor on the front showing it's actually not. And we we have on good

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authority that that parking garage is, which is usually the case with cities, underutilized, right? So people on the way finding app will see, ah, why would I park right in front of the restaurant or keep circling to try to park right in front of the restaurant when the garage is right there?

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>> Any other questions? >> Mr. Vice Mayor, >> thank you. I just had two questions. One, um, do you happen to know, um, just off the top of your head, what percentage of people end up using this through the pay by phone app using the actual wayfinding and maps?

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>> Yes, great question. So, it's It's a user user adoption curve. So, we're partnered with paper phone in the city of Paris and usually user adoption um you know, it starts slowly if they're new to the app. But what we're really confident about here is that the

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majority of people parking in South Miami already using the app. So, we're actually quite hopeful that we're going to get a very fast adoption rate given that they're going to open the app and go, "Wait a second, I I can actually see this." Not to mention any broad marketing campaigns that we can do. So,

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um, I can give you statistics for for Paris specifically. Uh, actually, I'd like to get those right. So, let me send those to you offline, um, with with our team. Um, but in conversations obviously between our two companies, we're actually quite hopeful that it will be

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much faster given that that was a a new feature to most in that location versus here in South. >> Yes. And the second question, I'm I was excited to hear that most people end up adopting it at year two and the free model for the first year is obviously amazing. I'm curious what type of KPIs

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or ROI do they look at to say, "Wow, I really want to do this for the second year." >> Great question. So, there's two things really. It's you could bucket most of it into quality of life. Obviously, especially you all here most concerned with people's quality of life. So, we

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like to think the most important statistics are things like again the perception of parking in South Miami, you know, can can somebody sit at their house and go, "Oh, I I need to run an errand. Oh, I can do that." You know, and and how do you measure that? That's usually a sentiment metric, right? We

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can look at things like reduce circling, which is something that we can measure. Um because again the phone is not tracking the person but the phone is tracking an anonymized user and what they're doing essentially. Okay. Uh so circling

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is another one. Um there are uh benefits to the environment obviously with less pollution uh because of people going directly to a specific spot. And then of course there are outside of the quality of life benefits the financial ones right and actually Stephen from from pay

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by phone here can diagram in great detail um all of the transaction data since you all first partnered with pay by phone back in 2011 um that shows parking transactions and and what that that revenue is flow uh revenue flow is like and obviously that that revenue

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helps support a lot of great things in the city. >> Great. Thank you. Thank you uh Mr. Rodriguez. So I just have one question. So in our city we have we have pay by phone but we also have park mobile. So are our

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residents or patrons have more than one option when it comes to paying for parking. Is this strictly just to pay by phone or are you on the other apps as well? >> Uh right now >> no offense to pay by phone but >> no worries. Um you know again this is a

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system that is your your data. Um and you all are our customer. So um you know should we need to integrate with other uh adjacent technologies um we we we have done that. Um but uh but yes our

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initial offering is obviously especially given the the high adoption rate of pay by phone here pay by phone is the is the is already built essentially. >> Yes. >> Yes. I guess it's used the most or I don't know if you can but either way so for those who use the other applications

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they necessarily don't have this >> technology >> this specific wayfinding feature yet. Yes. Um but again I mean Obsid's policy we are an open data platform and essentially meaning we can we have uh open APIs if you're familiar with those basically that are able to communicate

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with various vendors. >> Okay. And I I do want to I don't know you want to comment on anything else you recognize. >> Thank you for the presentation. I'm much appreciated. Um what is a typical installation for the hardware on the sensors? How do you install that?

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>> Uh in terms of time or money or both orally? Oh, physically. How? Yes. Yeah. You're welcome to see this or I can pass it up there. But normally there's a bracket on the back. ahead and put a specific bracket just because it can vary depending on which what type of >> So you just put it on a post. >> Yeah, exactly. Usually it's on a >> goes all the way across

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>> sensoring all the parking. >> Exactly. Usually about this 12 to 15 ft is an ideal perch in in order to catch the multiple use cases. So you can catch pedestrian counting, you can catch parking, things like that. >> And what's the distance between sensors on a long road for example? How how often do you want to have them? Like any

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five 10 spots? Uh yeah, it's usually capturing in terms of parking about four to six spots. Um 150 ft is is generally the the sensing. It's a very wide angled sensor. Again, not a camera, but a sensor in terms of what it's able to pick up.

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>> But um that's something that our engineers, you know, look at very closely. In fact, one of our engineers has already done a sizing plan that has been sent to the city that looked at uh Oh, actually, oh, my presentation's down. You'll see it on slide uh I think

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four. Thank you. Thanks, John. >> It's kind of hard to see here, but there is the size of plan. >> So, that that those are the center locations in blue, >> correct? These are the 82 that you're proposing. >> These are the ones that the 82 that we are proposing, correct? Yes. Um

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>> and you and you said you said that the current usage model that you guys what cities are you guys working with right now? So currently in the US uh we have deployed already in Columbus, Ohio, Dublin, Ohio, and Omaha, Nebraska. Um they were deployed uh mid last year and

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not with this wayfinding solution specifically to do um parking availability, but their their parking is free, not not wayfinding. They the city just wants to know supply and demand. And they're also doing uh bicycle counting. Uh our sensor can determine the difference between say a bicycle and

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even a motorcycle. So they were uh counting bicycles for uh bike lane improvements there. Um and then we are co-deployed for the wayfinding solution in in Paris, France. >> And the way you deploy it in these specific cities, it's just an API API you attach to their platform and it's

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only specific in those areas. >> Great question. Our we have a generic API that any tech company could integrate with that they would like to. Um but we have a specific integration with pay by phone that Yes. Like is the

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case of Paris is specific. Yes. So if you were to go to Paris right now um download the pay by phone app. Yes. You would pull up the pay by phone app that then uh uses up city centers sensors to ingest that data. And maybe after this maybe you can send us through somehow um

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a demo of how the guey actually works with through the platform how easy it is to find and and then obviously you know if if we do decide to move forward with this the ability to market this is going to be pretty big. Um I'm not really sure on the ROI yet. I really kind of want to

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study that but I would understand the go to market strategy and how do we get more people adapting to this. Just wanted to see what it looks like and how we can adapt. I appreciate it. >> We would love that too. I mean, with all due respect to technology, I'm I'm It's 2026 and I'm shocked that

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this isn't more deployed in most places in the world, and yet that is the case, unfortunately. >> Thank you. >> Um Sean, thank you for the presentation. Um I I swear I must have had to pass the light because I remember experiencing this in DC when I'm parking at the

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National Mall. I'm not sure if it's ever been pioneered elsewhere on another platform. Yes, sir. >> I'm sorry, Mayor. I I just is there any capture of you know false positives or sort of any errors in the system that that the system is able to later on capture?

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>> Sure. Great question. So um we always start by saying there is no system that is completely 100% accurate. Anyone who tells you that that's the case is not telling the truth. Um but we're dealing with relatively simple use cases, right,

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of counting people and assessing both real time um availability in this case of a of a parking spot because of a vehicle being there. Um so our false positives are more about um what if

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somebody puts a big storage container in a parking spot? It's probably gonna it's going to show occupied even though we do have so for the purpose of this audience essentially what it's doing is it's a lot of object recognition right is this a person is

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this not a person is it a car what size car um in fact you would see in the wayfinding app in Paris you can actually put in your own car size so a smart car might be able to fit in a small spot um although South Miami from what I've seen

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very well delineated spots, but you know, somebody with a giant truck with a trailer, they can put that in and find a larger spot, you know, if if this the system is configured that way. But yeah, in terms of false positives, you are going to find the odd something's

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blocking a parking spot and on our app, it's going to say it's blocked. Um, our solve for that is we do have a lot of analytics which show, wait a second, that parking spot has been occupied for a long long time. Something must be wrong there. And that's also what's helpful about the the real time app for

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enforcement or anybody with the city. Um it's not a public facing app. It's it's for you all in the city to see uh wait a second there's a storage unit in that part. Things like that. Um you know we also comment you know somebody wore like a giant thing of you know like a giant

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Halloween costume or something that extended from their body the system might not count that person right be like what is that? But you'd lose account of a person when you're trying to generate economic development down your downtown. You're not recording a person who's obviously dressed in a

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Halloween costume who could obviously be identified. >> Does that answer your question? >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> No, no problem, sir. >> Uh again, my only interest is in understanding if uh if we were to adopt this and work with you and pay by phone whether we can actually message

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proactively to uh registered users the existence of this feature. So they actually can get something a touch point as soon as we deploy it. >> So yeah, we we have the capability to message to the users in within the app.

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So they're accessing any of your locations. There's the capability for you guys. You guys are doing some of this with uh your downtown area for registrations, uh things like anything of that nature you can place into the app in a messaging um space. Some

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limitations on characters, things like that, but it's certainly something you can message within the app. >> Great. Good to know. Okay, thank you very much. We appreciate it. Um Carl, I think we could we've got Japa next. Do you want to introduce uh So, from just another parking app, uh,

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Japa, we have Matthew Magno. >> Matthew, you're recognized. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, Vice Mayor, Commissioners. Um, good evening. Thank you for your time. Uh, my name is Matthew Magno. I'm the CEO and co-founder of JAPA. Um, I just want to clarify. >> Matthew, give us one second so we can

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take down the other the other presentation. >> No problem. >> Just a second. There you go. Now, now we got you on screen. Excellent. >> Okay, cool. Well, my name is Matthew Magno. I'm the CEO and co-founder of Japa. I appreciate your time tonight. Um, just before we start, Japa is an acronym for just a parking, uh, just a

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parking app. Uh, but we're a lot more than that. Um, we're a smart parking technology company and that's hopefully can help solve a lot of the problems in South Miami. But I want to get right to it. Um, I know we don't have too much time, so the topic at hand is parking. You might feel like this a lot of times

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just hearing it. I know mayor, uh, tonight you said that you've dealt with some parking frustrations. Um, this could be a lot of the drivers in South Miami on a busy Friday night circling, getting frustrated, probably not spending money at local businesses because they're too frustrated and can't find a space. Even though, like you

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mentioned earlier, there might be a space around the corner that they just don't know about, right? Before we built this presentation, we really wanted to understand the problems around the parking in the city. And what we heard was around two two problems, right? You have wavefinding and economic activity.

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And then you have enforcement in coverage. When it comes down to wayfinding e economic activity, it is really important to get that commuter satisfaction up, right, and get less complaints from people, right? People are going to say they can't find parking when there might be one around the corner and it's going to cause a city to

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maybe you have to build a $60 million parking structure when it's not really needed, right? And especially that economic activity turnover is the name of the game when it comes to parking, especially with cities, right? You want more economic wealth somewhere, whether it's someone going to the sandwich spot down the street, buying an extra sandwich, or going to the library and

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renting out some more books. When it comes down to enforcement, a lot of people, there's we're working with the the DMV right now to do ADA placard fraud, but people are swapping it left and right, overstating their times, not really knowing the rules of what parking, where they can park. Well,

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that's where Japa comes in. Uh we've developed a full stack parking platform and a mo a commuter mobile app that shows them real-time parking availability, gives them directions and wayfinding um straight to the available space. Similar to like up city, if that space is taken before they get there, we

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recomv available space. Um a little bit of difference between us though is that we'll show you each individual spot in real time. Um, and then we utilize sensor technology. And then on the back end to take care of that whole cycle of

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parking, we give that data back to you, your city managers, your planners to really understand what they need to do for the city. Do we need to take out parking over here because it's underutilized? We need to put a bike and scooter program here because we have a lot more space, right? Or do we need to direct them straight to the garage so we

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can get that that turnover flow? Um the way it works is we put sensors on every space or at the entrance and exits of parking lots or parking garages. These all work indoor, outdoor, on street, off streetet. So we detect a vehicle in real time. We send that information up to the cloud. Once it hits the cloud, we put it

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through our parking algorithms and then we distribute it to on the computer mobile app that we showed you or the dashboard for your city management. Um, and the best thing about this is we understand that, you know, the the climate out in Florida, you know, floods

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happen, the humidity is 24/7. Our sensors are built for that. They're all pressure tested, pinpoint tested, weather tested. It could sit in a pool of water and we're totally fine. And it could um take up to a double-decker bus without breaking. Um, our system is all battery operated, so there's no

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trenching, no wiring, no conduits. You just literally put plug and play. You take stick take a sensor, stick it on the floor just like any road marker and you glue it down. Um we have around 99% accuracy when detecting a vehicle and we're already live in Florida in multiple places, Boca Raton, University

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of Florida in Tampa. Um similar to we have an open API. We already partnered with uh Park Mobile pay by phone where they have the integrations into our app. So the commuters have one app to open if they they could choose to use park mobile or pay by phone and pay pay for it with just one app to use. Um and

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everything's privacy friendly. We don't take any information. No user information. We work with a ton of hospitals. We have an MSA with like Kaiser Hospital too. So totally totally fine there. Um when it comes to smarter enforcement, there's a lot going on here. Like I mentioned, we partnered

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with um the DMV because they're going digital now, right? And now we can recognize with our sensors, hey, is this someone parking here and are they accredited? Um, do they have credited credentials for ADA? If it flags that they don't and it doesn't pass it through our system, then we're going to flag that there's a potential violation

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there. On top of that, too, we do time zone violations, right? A lot of people are parking in 20 minute, 30 minute hour time zones. They don't know when their time is up. It's hard for them to know, right? So on our app, we tell them, hey, you have 10 minutes left. Go ahead and move your car. If they don't move their car, you have another touch. the city

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management or your enforcement will say, "Hey, here's the violations here, right? And then now you're going to be able to get all this data on all your ADA spaces, right? Likewise, you want to send a message out to your commuters on our on our dashboard, you can send a message and it'll pop up a notification

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saying, "Hey, all the ADA spaces are taken on the north side. Go straight to the south side if you guys have like an event going on or something like that." Um, now when it comes to turnover, like I mentioned earlier, that's the name of the game, right? You want more people in

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and out of those spaces. You don't want them circling around. You want them to be happy. So, what we've done with um the city of Bakville is they got plagued with complaints. People can't find parking. We looked at their data, right? They were going to build a $60 million

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parking structure. And after we looked at the data, we said, "Hey, why are people complaining? your parking is only at 70% occupied, 73%. You still have around 30% occupancy left over. We turned on our mobile app for them. They launched it out for the city. People loved it. Their commuter complaints went

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down. It took them around like 12 minutes to field one complaint each. It went down by 30% and we increased their parking up to 90% occupancy. They didn't have to build a parking structure anymore, right? It's all about optimizing the assets that you have. Um,

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and the path is clear. We're already partnered with Omnia. So, you know, the procurement process could be as simple as just signing a contract. And the timeline is, you know, if we can get a scope by July 1, we can have you up and running by October 1st. Now, this is

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aggressive, but it's because our installation is a breeze. It takes less than, I want to say, three minutes to install one sensor. No downtime, no no disruption to service. Our team can come out at night, too. So, if you're ready to start parking smarter and stressing

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less, come talk to us. Thank you all. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Uh uh any comments or questions? No, no, no thing from over here. >> Uh the the hardware is is individually on each parking.

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>> Is that what it was? It's like a small beacon. >> Yeah. So, if you see on the front right here at the bottom, these are our sensors that we put onto the parking spaces. And then, like I said, they can be used as car counters, too, if you put them at the entrance and exits or the ingress and egress. And then they'll

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count cars and get occupancy for your lots. Um, you won't get the real time of every space, but you'll still get that general occupancy. So, you'll be able to save a lot of money for the city by not having to do anything. A lot of our customers too, they'll put occupant sensors in the ingress and egress, but

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then put sensors on their specialty spaces like their EV charging spaces or their ADA spaces. So now you're starting to get all the information but a smaller cost. >> But if you want if you want uh individual spaces allocation, you would need to put it on each spot, right? Each parking spot. >> Correct.

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>> Correct. Or we do have a camera system that now we can if we can situate the camera to recognize the spaces um pretty well, that is an option as well. >> And you um Um do you have a cost structure on this? I don't remember seeing that in the presentation. >> Yes. Um the cost structure comes when we

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come to a scope and it's and so because the cost structure scales with the size of the project. Um I believe our sales team is we'll we'll discuss that u moving forward but it's it's very similar to up city where we do a leasing program. You guys don't have to worry about the hardware if something goes down. We actually have a client

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represent uh client success manager that actually lives in Bickl in Miami. So you guys will have the quickest service to anything. >> So okay. Yeah. I mean we we do have a lot of parking spots. So I mean if we allocate 12 to 1500 spots, you know,

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order of magnitude we want to understand like what what what that would look like. I understand the first year whether I I mean I just don't understand the cost structure, but if you can give us an example, that'd be great to to understand that. Yeah, we charge anywhere between like a $100 of space up to $200 of space

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depending on the size. Um, and that's an annual cost. Uh, first year, like I said, everything's leased to you all. So, operation maintenance comes with it and installation comes with it too. Unless you guys want to do the installation yourself, then we can make the the the cost structure cheaper there. >> Yeah, sorry.

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>> Go ahead. I was going to say last question I had was that you need to download the app that you guys have or is it a fully integrated with what people are already using for parking. >> So we've done both. So we launched our app and then had like park mobile integrated into our app. So people are using our app and we had the vice versa

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too where park mobile integrated our data into theirs. So if they're already using it same thing with pay by phone like this is open API they can just pretty much recreate it onto their app. So, um, I think for yours guys situation, we'll just probably integrate like we'll talk to the reps at at Park

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Mobile Pay phone and pass over our API data so they can recreate this into their app. I think that would be >> Okay, Madam Commissioner. >> Thank you. So, that little black circle, you put it on the floor of the parking space, like where does that go? >> Yes. Yes, that goes right in the middle

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of the parking space. Um, and so when a car drives over it, we have a magnetometer and a light sensor in there. And then that's how we detect the vehicle with 99% accuracy. >> Thank you. >> No problem. >> Yes, sir. >> Hi, thank you. Um just quick question.

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Up city had mentioned uh that it was also able to track um pedestrian double parking things like that. This is mostly just focused on parking and parking spaces. Correct. Yes, we can we can identify double parking and violations around parking

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but we do not um we do not identify or people tracking. Uh we do have a partnership with Seammens um that does that so we can introduce that but JA itself we do not. >> Okay thank you. >> No problem you guys did you get I'm sorry I stepped out. So

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>> okay really appreciate the presentations. I had seen this presentation before so I don't have any questions colleagues. The point was just to kind of bring the information forward. Um, since we're heading into a budget cycle, I thought if we have an interest, we can maybe task or ask the

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manager and survival to kind of explore or or come up with a recommendation about adoption of this or, you know, technology, similar technology from another provider and see if it's something we want to consider incorporating into our fiscal year 27 budget if we think it makes sense. I

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mean a go my goal was simply uh to try to use technology to minimize friction and you know enhance customer convenience so the people who are coming or thinking about coming to South Miami will um will uh take that make that

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extra trip not worry about parking um certainly tried this with the transportation side had less success I think probably this will be hopefully slightly more successful than our our our past forayas with uh you ride share. Uh but um if there's an interest uh my

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goal was simply just to put it before us and see if we want to just continue the conversation before wasting staff's time. >> Yep. >> I love the idea of sensor technology, especially ones we can adapt as the technology gets better. >> I mean right now we could also just put a printed sign with an arrow that says

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200 spots available to our garage, but like eventually we are going to need to get higher tech. Yeah, >> I would say, mayor, that um I I struggle with the ROI right now. I know it's a it's a city of Pleasant Living type of thing where we can make facilities and I

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love it. Uh I think we should add it just to the discussions as we continue with budget. I just don't know where the priority lies this year coming up, but we can discuss it. >> Yeah, I I'm sorry. On the job of presentation, did you guys I stepped out for a second to go to the restroom. We I I've I've had an ROI conversation before

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um with one of your Can you >> Well, the first one had an ROI. >> Correct. >> Second one. >> I I mean there's some use cases. I was there's a use case in California. I think on a camp I I forget on a campus. I was Anyhow, I think Mr. Riverall certainly can get us that information so

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you can see what what the what the return on investment has been some other use cases and we can decide whether it applies to you or not. I know we've talked about, you know, maybe each technology has its own use case, right? And some are better suited for others. So again, I don't want to pre we don't

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need to have make a decision here. The point was if there's an interest, just want to get direction to the administration to work on this and maybe bring a recommendation forward. That was really the goal of today's conversation. So >> I'd rather look at some more information. I I requested some information.

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>> Yeah. Guey understand how the interconnections of the second one Japa I just asked the integrations if it's pay by phone or not versus the Japa app and how that works. I just want to see that because if we're not going to have people using it it's kind of a wast

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>> no I I I 100% agree my conversation with Japa my concern was their their app to me is not what people are already using. My goal was since they have a backend API, if they can get on the other platforms, I think that makes sense, right? They just got if they can integrate, I agree. I want I want to

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meet people where they're at, not try to offer them something. >> We're trying new offerings. >> Okay. So, with that, do we want to explore this further or >> Well, I think we are I think we requested for some information. >> Okay, great. Let's let's get >> Fair enough. So, let's weward let's move the conversation forward and uh with

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that, let's move on to the next item. Thank you both for your presentations. We appreciate it. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh colleagues, where do we want to go next? Uh do we want to go take item We've got people here. I know on the TSDD we've got people. So let's see.

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>> We've got CRA. So you want to take up item 11. That should be pretty straightforward. Madam clerk, if you can read item 11, please. >> Yes. Item 11. A resolution of the mayor and city commissioner of the city of South Florida approving and adopting the South community redevelopment plan after

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making the findings required by section 163.3607 Florida statutes. >> Thank you colleagues. Any questions of uh the city attorney or administration on this item? >> No. Anyone want to move uh adoption? This is a public hearing item. So let me

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open up the public hearing. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item 11, which is the uh resolution approving and adopting the South Miami CRA redevelopment plan, please come forward at this time. >> Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand.

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>> Okay, seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we'll close the public hearing. Is there a motion to adopt? >> I'll move it. >> Second. >> We get a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez and a second by Commissioner Cay. Madam Clerk, if you can call the RO, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay. Commissioner Bonish.

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>> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Item passes 5. >> Let's take item 10, please. >> 10. >> Item 10, a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of South, Florida, approving an application to amend the conditions of resolution

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number 032-17-14833, which approved a waiver plan to permit development of a two-story single family home on a property located at 5975 Southwest Ath Street. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Um, Mr. Attorney, you're recognized.

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>> Thank you, mayor. Application number 10 on tonight's agenda is quasi judicial in nature. Uh, simply because the waiver of plat was originally quasi judicial in nature. Uh, the clerk has read the title of the resolution. Uh, the public hearing that uh comes after this will include presentation uh should include

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presentations by staff, the applicant, and any public comment. Commission may ask any questions either before or after public comment is closed. Following public comment, the commission may deliberate on the item. The procedures for quasi judicial items require this commission to consider the evidence presented and base uh your decision on

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the applicable law and primarily on the evidence presented whether by the applicant staff or members of the public. Uh the hearing tonight is to consider a modification to a condition on a waiver of plat that is governed by criteria in 20-4.2

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um and the items in the staff analysis and in general law. Uh the evidence considered must be substantial competent evidence. That means testimony or other evidence based on a on personal observation or relevant expert testimony that a reasonable mind would accept as adequate to support a conclusion. It's not a popularity contest. It cannot be

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based solely on non-expert opinions, no matter how fervent those opinions might be. If you wish to speak on an item uh this evening, uh just a couple of comments. Uh you're you will be sworn in shortly before your testimony is taken. Please know if you do speak, you may be subject to cross-examination.

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If you uh members of the public will not be allowed to cross-examine uh but you um but they can ask the commission to direct questions on their behalf to either staff or the applicant. At this time, if you wish to speak, please uh stand and uh raise your right hand.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Thank you. Uh Madame Clerk, can you confirm compliance with the advertising and notice requirements for this evening's >> Yes. theory. Thank you so much. And then mayor, vice mayor, and commissioners, have any of you had any exparte

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communications with either the applicant or any members of the public? >> I have. >> Who' you speak to and the substance of communication >> with the applicant? I've spoken to him many times outside of today. Okay. >> Um he just called to explain what was coming. >> So about the application.

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>> Okay. Or the request. Anyone else? >> I did as well. I had a conversation with Garcia last I think it was last Thursday. >> Okay. Uh he just briefly explained that he was asking for I guess a limitation on the number of stories that could be built on the lot. >> Okay. >> Thank you.

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>> Yes. I spoke with the applicant regarding the application and the reasoning behind it. Got it. >> I did not. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I did not add >> Thank you. Mayor >> said thank you. Just quickly is are there any objections that are record? Anyone here an objection to the

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application >> of record objections? I'm not aware of any. Uh Ma here in the audience who's here to object to the application. No. Okay. >> All right. >> So we all have >> are I believe there were members of the public who stood uh to be sworn in. Are

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you presenting an objection to the application or you are a proponent? >> She's here in support. >> Got it. Fair enough. >> Appreciate that. >> Okay. So with that, has everyone reviewed the staff presentation? Anyone have any questions of staff regarding the recommendation to approve and the modifications to the conditions? No.

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Okay. So, uh, this is a public hearing item, so we'll open up the public hearing again formally. Is there anyone in the public who would like to address this commission with respect item 10? >> Madam clerk, is there anyone online? >> Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand.

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>> Okay, seeing no one in the chamber, no one will, we'll close the public hearing. Mr. Garcia, unless you want to say something, we'll entertain a motion to adopt. >> No. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Who wants to move it? >> I'll move it. I'll second. >> Okay. A motion by Commissioner Rodriguez and a second by Commissioner Monich.

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Madam Clerk, if you can call the role on item 10, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Commissioner Bonich. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Item passes 5. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Uh let's take up item eight,

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please. Item eight, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida declaration of restrictions from South Hospital Inc. as owner anchor Miami IRF LLC as developer and builder building

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landlord and Baptist Health Rehabilitation Hospital LLC as operator mitigating material non-compliance with development agreement conditions. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. the attorney. Do you want to uh walk us through this one quickly?

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>> Sure thing. So, uh you This is the uh rehab uh hospital that that is born that was constructed on 62nd Avenue and Sunset and Sunset Drive. Thank you. Uh they as you may recall uh this came

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before you uh to consider their development agreement. At the time they had agreed to two conditions. um one providing for enclosure of the loading area uh because there was a concern um regarding the experience of neighbors to

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the west. Uh and then another one of the conditions involved the facade improvements to the parking garage on along 62nd Avenue. Um it became apparent uh now that they're very deep into construction that uh those improvements were not made uh in strict accordance

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with the development agreement. So they have come back um and they are proposing uh some mitigation measures to try to address those conditions. Uh that's what's before you tonight. Uh among those they have um it is my understanding that they have made

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certain improvements to the construction including installing louvers onto the onto the loading area to better enclose the area. It's still not fully enclosed. um and they are moving a backflow pretor from up on the street uh to somewhere uh

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not quite as prominent. Now the declaration restrictions that you are considering this evening doesn't doesn't include those those items. What it does include however are operational restrictions restrict limiting uh deliveries everything except emergency

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deliveries would be between 8:00 a.m. and 6 p.m. They would be limited to that that that would be their use of that area. that includes solid waste, garbage pickup, um or even specialized uh waste pickup. And then for the 62nd Avenue facade, they have a a landscape proposal

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where they have a number of trees that they are installing along the facade of the garage facing 62nd Avenue. Um and they are I believe they are 8 feet at at installation. Uh so that's what's before you this evening. That's what they're proposing. and they have offered a declaration of

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restrictions uh to to tie their hands to that. >> Colleagues, you want to hear from any representatives from Anchor or Baptist? Okay, >> floor's yours. Good evening, >> Mayor Commissioners. Thank you for uh

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taking the time today and thank you for taking the time to uh bring up your concerns regarding our project. It's always been our goal to meet and exceed the expectations set forth in the development agreement uh back from October of 2024. And so um again, thank

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you for taking time to bring those concerns to light. So ultimately um we heard your concerns. We take them very seriously. So we went ahead and started to address those immediately uh through working with Tony and the city to make sure that we you know come to amends

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with however we can. So ultimately we've already relocated the backflow pre. We've already installed the 22 mash trees on the uh 62nd there to screen the garage enclosure. Uh we've already released procurement of mechanical louvers and we're actively working on obviously limiting operations in the uh

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loading enclosure. So uh again thank you for taking the time to bring these concerns. Ultimately our goal is to deliver a final product, a facility that you all are proud of, that the city is proud of, uh ultimately that serves this community. So thank you. Thank you.

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Uh, we can take qu you want to have questions. Okay, please. You're recognized. >> Okay. >> Did you just say oh boy? >> No, that was only murder. >> Okay.

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I'm I'm famous for not saying the nice thing. Or >> do you need a translation? >> Yeah. Right. Do I need a I I probably do. Um, if I were building my house and it was approved a certain way, and I'll

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actually use an example that I learned from Danny Rodriguez a couple of years ago. If I was putting a pool in my house and for whatever reason I pushed it too far back and now the pool is in the area the

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pool is not supposed to be in, the answer was too bad. so sad. Rip out your pool. Do it right. And I feel a lot of times we give people who have bigger projects a pass or we

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try to find a way to play nice. And I don't think that's right. I think that you all sat here, you agreed to something, and now when it's kind of hour 11, those things don't exist. And

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it's, oh, we're going to give you 8 foot trees. I am 5'5. I am definitely not covering the second floor of your garage, right? And eight eight feet. So, eight feet. it.

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I feel like it's you're offering accommodations that while they sound really nice, the reality is they don't do none of those things do what the original agreement was, which was to shield the residents

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to the west of you from having to see, smell, hear garbage or anything else y'all were doing. that that just simply no matter how many pretty trees you put this side, that side, that's not going to happen now. So that's that's the reality. We're at the point where that's

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not going to happen. And with the trees on 62nd Avenue, totally not your thing, but there's trees across the street right over there. They put them in when we saw the the tree study. They put them in, I want to tell you, like 15

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years ago, they're still the same size. and they're the same size because there's nowhere for them to grow, right? And so then I'm like, are are we going to run into the same thing in front of your parking where the tree, okay, it's 8 feet now from, you know, dirt to the

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top of the tree and in 10 years it's going to be 9 feet from dirt to the top of the tree and I'll be dead before the tree covers the garage. So then, you know, I think to myself, okay, so what could the nicer things be?

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What what helps us who have now essentially been kind of scratched out of whatever the plan was? Because realistically, to say it nice, oh, it was an oversight. To not say it nice, hey, you know what? We got

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as far as we did and too bad so sad South Miami whatever it is that you requested and if I recall correctly it was really requested. It wasn't even like a a passing thought. It was like very well thought out and discussed

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during that meeting. I'm probably not the person to say what would be the nice thing to do because even if I try to say what the nice thing to do is probably not going to sound very nice. you know, I'm like, okay, so you're our partner in a bunch of

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different things. How do you we bridge that gap? And maybe I'm not the person to think about how do we bridge that gap because I've focused on kind of where the wheels fell off the bus.

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But if we have a great partnership, which I think that we most likely do, how do we find a way to kind of make this okay? And I'm kind of looking at you guys because maybe you have ideas on

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how that best works. So I I'll just I'll let me just add a couple thoughts since I you know I was insensed probably when I saw the condition. I was annoyed initially by the backflip pre being put right at the

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corner of a very prominent intersection at a new building that I'm looking forward to inaugurating hopefully very soon. I'm grateful that you guys removed that. You've now put it up against the back column, so it's not visible from the rightway. That was not a condition

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of any approval. But it did trigger me as I was driving by, triggered is probably the right word. I was driving by bringing my son back from lacrosse practice and saw the loading area lit up and noticed that the roof was not enclosed. And so did a pass by and

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pulled the conditions, watched the video, and yes, my vote was contingent upon those two items being incorporated. And so um we are where we are. They're not they've not built in accordance. Um you know,

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Baptist is uh been an exceptional community partner. I have tried to make peace with the fact that we are where we are by at least making sure that this declaration provides some operational limitations. on when that loading dock uh is in operation so it's not creating noise and

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inconvenience to the neighbors right who are both there today and neighbors that may be there in the future since we things are changing um I think the the declaration with respect to that goal which was a goal of having a

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fully enclosed loading dock which I think is a requirement of the code um is being achieved the modifications that they're taking to the what's the the east side east eastward facing portion of the loading dock with

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the louvers I think is a benefit to the project because it's actually making this public internalized public space garden a more attractive place for people to sit and enjoy when they're at the facility recuperating as opposed to looking at what is a screen enclosure

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with dumpsters in it. Um so those are positive modifications. you know, the landscaping, the screening, I basically left it to staff to come up with something that worked. I really didn't want to dictate the solution there. I think our land development director, adult services director, is was okay

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with this. I'm sure it's not her her optimal execution. Um, yeah, this is not a this is not an item that I'm happy about voting for, right? I'm I'm inclined to vote for it, right?

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So, uh, I'm still disappointed by it, but you know, I am grateful that, um, they're willing to bring this forward. In part, I I wanted this as the talk to the city attorney about this as a mechanism so we don't have to go through the rigoral of also modifying a whole

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bunch of other related development orders. um this was an easy way to kind of get something calendared, get in front and do uh the project no harm in terms of the ability to get to opening and operating which you know they're probably a matter of weeks away from being in that

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posture. Um achieving our conditions on the garage to my understanding, you can correct me if wrong requires them to fully mechanize the garage because it can't be naturally ventilated with that screening. probably something that should have been communicated to us when we asked for the condition, right? Um,

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and we're not there. We're not back. We're not there anymore. Uh, and on the enclosure, you know, um, again, I've explained kind of the rationale for accepting the condition. I' I've made my peace with it. Um, again, just my my personal

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position on it, but you know, uh, yes, I wish that, um, the sand the conditions would have been strictly adhered to, right? I'm not happy about having this conversation at all. >> Yes, sir. >> So, when I toured the uh facilities and

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and we reviewed a lot of the things that were being discussed and I met with the management group and did a tour, the facility looks great. The hospital is going to be fantastic. I can't wait for you guys to open. But we did speak about those three things, right? So, the enclosures and the louvers have been taken care of. The uh front piping

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system has been taken care of. And the east side corridor has not. So, an 8ft tree, which you want to stand up again, that's not a lot, right? Uh, and we have we have the we have and what we spoke about when I spoke with you and the team was that we were going to mimic the the

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booon windows going across and it could still stay screens. Just mimic it so it looks better. What I could do, mayor, with your your approval here or just appease me on this, but if you are not happy with the

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8 foot um hedges. I don't know if they're I don't even know what you guys put there. What What What's the plan? >> The eight foot mash trees. They're installed currently. >> It's It's like a hedge. >> Uh it's a tall narrow tree that kind of grows up. And >> how high can they grow? >> 20 20 feet, I believe, is maximum height for those

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>> 20 feet. >> And again, again, I'm going to call them. They're like they they look like a Christmas tree, right? They kind of get bushy right at the bottom. So, they do >> widen out the cover. >> So, you know, again, I I had seen the Mullian option. That alone to me would not I mean it

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just bas >> I saw them only an option and it just basically lined on the on the grade >> reading grade. I didn't think it really made a difference in terms of people's perception of the garage. I thought the landscaping would be fine. I didn't dictate the landscaping. I just basically punted it to

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>> to um to our staff. And I think I don't again I don't want to Mr. Cabar if you want to address it as to why you thought this was a acceptable execution happy to have you kind of share that with my colleagues. I actually like the landscaping. Um, and

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I think short of that, they would have had to redesign the entire parking garage because it would be an enclosed parking structures. They would have to have mechanical ventilation system for it. This is actually I think the best alternative >> director would have been would have been

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something that we we're trying to do as much mature landscaping as we can. Is it something feasible that we can require? And I'm not telling you throw these trees away, so just hear me out for a second. On the east, on the west side, we have a fence wall that lines and is

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neighbors with the apartment buildings. We don't have any hedge or landscaping on that particular fence. Is that accurate? >> Correct. >> Okay. Is it feasible? I'm just here trying to amend what my my colleague wants here. Um, is it feasible for us to put those eight footers and kind of

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spread it across the back and fill it up as much as we can on the on the east on the west side? And on the east side, maybe we can do the same hedge, just a little bit taller, a little bit more mature, so it covers a little bit more. I think that'll appease you uh from an 8 foot front and we can see a little bit

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more coverage and beautifification of that area instantly. I don't think it's a big cost to you guys. Um would is that something that you would be amendable for? Is there space on your property on that west side to even put trees or would you

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be then reaching out to the building of the residence to ask if you put it there? Like >> I believe we're going to have to work with the neighboring property. Um I believe the property line ends to the back of curb there. So there is an easement right for the trash pickup for the 700 building uh for that back side of curb then belongs to the multif

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family complex and so we'd have to coordinate with them some sort of improvement and maintenance agreement. Okay. I thought I thought the easement was at least 5 feet or something like that. You can fit something on there. >> I I could take a look, but I don't believe so. >> There's about a six foot uh from curb to

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fence. About a six foot stretch as right now is just full of rocks. I don't know what the ultimate intent is for that space, but so about six foot wide stretch >> west of the curb. >> Yes, sir. And that backside is what we believe to be the neighbors. So again, we'd have to figure out and work with

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them on what we're able to do and then on some sort of maintenance agreement for who's going to maintain these options >> because I think visually we're seeing the fence set back from the back of curb. You're saying that fence is not at the property line. >> That is correct. >> Okay. So that's why there's a gap. So

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it's feasible, but it would it would require their cooperation. I mean look, if we can get some more landscaping on the west side, I'm I think that's a a positive improvement. I mean, what's the what's the board's pleasure? What do we want to do here? Tanny, sorry. here.

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>> I wasn't here for the development agreement. So, >> Oh, yeah. >> My only concern was uh on the resident side, you know, I don't know what you guys agreed for on the 62nd side, but on the resident side, I definitely want a hedge. I know I had the

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conversation with the manager and we asked, is there space? On your property, there was no space. So, I guess you're going to have to deal with the other property and hopefully you can't. That's my ultimate concern is uh shielding the the residents.

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>> Of course, and we'll reach out to the adjacent property owner and start the conversation with them and figure out what they're agreeable to. >> Okay. So, what would we like to do here? >> I will say this.

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I hope y'all are as agreeable with the city as the city is being with you. because I know there's lots of conversations happening about the city hall property and I think that'll be interesting how how those pan out later

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because I tell you what these four gentlemen are being I think beyond gracious with y'all not with you because you don't build the building but with your team because if it was a resident

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building a house I doubt we would be having this conversation Okay. With respect to the item that's before us, is there a motion to adopt it with an amendment? And then would we like to get the city attorney's recommendation as to

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what that amendment would look like? >> I would. >> Okay. So, Mr. City Attorney, um my concern about the request is not that it's not unreasonable, but is their ability to >> perform, right? And so how can we style

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this so that it's uh puts the onus on them to use I mean is it >> best efforts >> best efforts commercial you know commercial best efforts or >> yeah just best efforts >> okay >> I I think that would be the >> and what would be the time frame in which we would want to see that executed is it before CO or

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>> because how far are you guys from getting a TCO or do you have one already? >> Uh we hope to have a TCO by next week in CO by the end of the month. So, >> I was going to say you could hold up TCO. >> Yeah, I'm happy to issue a TCO uh and

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then get this done before we issue the seal. >> Yeah. Okay. So, what is your recommendation, sir? So, we're looking at best efforts to work with the neighboring land owner uh to install a hedge along the west

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side. Uh a hedge along the west side. >> Can I ask if it could just be landscaping, not necessarily a hedge? >> Yeah. >> Okay. To install landscaping. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean by that?

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So, we lost a lot of tree canopy with this project and there were conversations at a point of actually putting some trees in rightways or even in the rightway of the adjacent property. So, it really couldn't be done at the time we looked at it. It just couldn't be done because of timing, but

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it may be able to be done now because it's not really affecting anything else. So, if we could restore some canopy, I would love to see that happen. >> Okay. So, to install shade trees, is that what we're looking at? possible. I don't know if there's space. I don't want to.

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>> And our goal our goal with the landscaping, whatever form it takes would be to screen the loading dock and the west side of the garage. So that length I that's the full run of the property or not or a portion of it. What are we trying to just want to be clear,

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but what our goal is that we're trying to obscure those two elements. Correct. >> I hadn't really thought about that. I was thinking about the whole side. >> Okay. So, okay. So, the for the length of the western boundary of the property, it sounds like is the consensus here on

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the west boundary of the property. >> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. Because if not, it's going to look like broken teeth. >> It's going to look like broken teeth, you know. >> Shade or broken teeth. >> Okay. So, best efforts to work with neighbor owner to install shade trees along the west bound of the property

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prior to >> of TCO. Prior to TCO. >> Okay. >> Prior to >> prior co. Sorry. CO. Sorry. I misspoke. >> Issuance of CO. >> Been a long day. >> Been a long day. Sorry. Not trying to give anybody a heart attack. >> Although you can get excellent care at South Miami Hospital if you do have one.

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So, okay. >> Is that intended to be a modification to the declaration of restrictions or a condition on this? >> I think we acceptance. >> I think we need to make it a modification to there's got to be a maintenance obligation on their part. >> So, it's got to be agreed to. Is this agreeable to to

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Thank you. >> Okay. >> All right. >> We're we're clear on what we're asking for. >> Yes, sir. >> Okay. So, it's the installation and the maintenance >> along that western boundary. Okay. >> Yep. >> In addition to what's already in the proper >> mature trees on

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>> Do we want to specify a minimum height for the trees? >> Three leases tall. >> Three leases tall. >> Three leases tall. Yeah. I just think if if there's stuff already there, it's like what are you going to do? Rip it out. releases wide. >> It's going to be like the Oompa Loompas only. >> So, you're okay leaving it?

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>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at this point, we're going to rip out what's there. Just We know that it's >> Oh, so minimum a fee. Is that what we're looking for? >> At least Well, that's it's already in. >> We can make it. >> No, no, no. That's what's on the east side. >> We're talking about the west side. >> The west side.

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>> Look, the east side. The east side would honestly I don't know if the height personally matters that much. You're talking about a How tall is the first story parking deck? >> Not even 10 feet, right? Yes, sir. >> So, I would tell you if we're going to go for size, I would, you know, ask them

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to spend the effort on the west side to protect the residents, >> especially because the city attorney searched it up and these trees go two to three feet a year. >> Okay. >> They grow fast. >> They're fast growing trees. >> Those are fast growing trees. >> So, okay. >> They look like almost like a tree.

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>> Yeah, they do. They like I I I call them a Christmas tree. They've got, you know, they seem to grow quickly and they grow wide. So, I think they'll do a nice job of obscuring that frontage. But We should focus our efforts on the west where it's really going to be >> impactful. >> Okay. >> So, do we have a height at at in at

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planting? >> Is 8t feasible? >> Yes, sir. 8 ft feasible. >> For the on the on the west side >> on the west side, we're planting the same trees. >> Okay. I'm asking Okay. >> I don't

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No, I think we need something that has bigger shade that would fit. I think we would go with whatever is feasibly like what an arborist would say fits the root ball in that space. Correct. >> And I don't know enough to even have make a guess at that. >> Well, do we want to make the condition

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say the recommendation is our arborist their arburist? Who do we want to rely on here >> any arborist >> at the very least it has to be reviewed by our arborist. If they their arburist has a recommendation it should be reviewed by our >> fair enough. >> Okay. >> Okay. So you won't specify the form of

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the installation. It's just got to be it's got to be mustered. Okay. >> Is there a motion to adopt the resolution as amended? >> I'll move it. >> Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. >> A motion by Commissioner Cay. A second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madame Clerk. Uh

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please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Bonish. >> Yep. >> Vice Mayor Corey. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Passes 5. >> Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Okay, let's uh move on to items uh 12,

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13, 14, 15. What? What number you >> 12 as well? So, let's take up item 12 and we'll move on down the line and anybody here else for any other items you guys are here on 13. >> Leave those for that.

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Item 12, an ordinance of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida amending article 8 transit supported development district to amend regulations to provide new definitions, clarify existing provisions and modify procedures and criteria within the transit supported development district.

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>> Okay, colleagues, do you have any questions of um Mr. Alvarez regarding this particular item? >> No. Okay. Uh this is a public hearing item. There's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission regarding item 12, which is again an

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ordinance to amend the TSDD district regulations and provide for new definitions clarifying some provisions and modifying certain procedures. Please come forward at this time. Madam clerk, is anyone online? >> Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand.

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>> Mayor, did you want to have the attorney just put a quick synopsis on it? >> Do do we have there been any modifications since we last heard the item? There were two um minor modifications I think since the last one you saw was uh they have

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>> the version that you last saw had some waiver language uh to allow uh ex exceeding the maximum floor plate of the fifth and sixth uh at the fifth and sixth floors on sixtory buildings. Um there we were kind of unhappy about that

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and there was some some questions about that. that the more we looked at it, the less we thought it was ready for prime time. So, we have pulled that concept out of here. We have, however, uh increased, we've provided one additional uh line for those sixstory buildings, only those six-story buildings to allow

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them to go to a maximum 30,000 square foot floor plate as opposed to 20, so that they can take advantage of of uh you know, the the the the podium since they don't have really a tower component. Um it stops at 30,000. there's no way to really I guess they could conceivably increase it through a

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waiver process to 33,000. That's the max that it can go. Um and that's what uh Mr. Alvarez had had kind of done the math on and that that seems to work. Um we would like to come back to you with a waiver proposal that is much more

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fleshed out and ready more ready later at some later date. >> Colleagues, any concerns about the modification as presented? No. Okay. Okay. We opened up the public hearing. We saw no one come forward in

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the chamber or online. So, we'll close the public hearing. Is there a motion or any further discussion on item 12? I'm good. So, I'm good on this. So, seeing no discussion, who'd like to move it? >> I'll move it. >> Is there a second? >> Second.

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>> A motion by Commissioner Kai, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam clerk, please call the role. Yes. Commissioner Bonish. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes.

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>> Item passes 5 Z. >> Can you read item 13, please? >> Item 13. In the ordinance of the mayor and city commission of the city of South Florida amending section 8.8 8 bonus allocations to amend regulations related to transfer development rights and payments in l of inind public benefits

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within the transit supported development district. >> Thank you madam clerk. Um attorney do you want to walk us through any changes? >> Yeah only one minor change. Uh last time there was the discussion about the cost deposit um for uh for projects because

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because the actual uh TDRs would not be submitted to the building department till before uh issuance of the building permit. There's a whole review process that happens before. So we had we had built in this concept of a cost deposit. Um after looking at it uh a few times it

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was a blank in your last version that you saw. uh we filled that in with 3% because we already charged an upfront fee of 30% of the building permit fee. So uh this would get it to about 33% which is really in line with uh most jurisdictions in South Florida. Okay,

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colleagues, any questions of the city attorney? Okay. Uh any this is a public hearing item, so let's open this up for public hearing. Any member of the public would like to address this commission on item 13 again which is modification to the bonus

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allocation regulations in the TSCD related to TDDRS please come forward at this time. >> Anyone on Zoom please raise your virtual hand. >> Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online we will close the public hearing. Um colleagues any comments regarding

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this item? If not I'll entertain a motion to adopt. >> Is there a motion? >> I'll move the motion. Is there a second? >> Second. >> We have a motion by Commissioner Rodriguez, a second by Vice Mayor Corey. Madam clerk, if you can please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Cayenne? >> Yes.

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>> Commissioner Rodriguez? >> Yes. >> Commissioner Bonish? >> Yep. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Item P 5 Z. >> Great. Let's read item 14, please. >> Item 14. An ordinance of the mayor city commission of the city of South Florida creating a new section 20-4.13

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sustainable development and article four other regulations of the land development code to provide incentives to promote energy efficient home design sustainable construction practices increase climate resilience and conservation of natural resources.

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>> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Mr. Attorney, just procedurally to make sure we're in the right posture, we're discussing this. Uh if we adopt 14, do we need to take any action on 15 or is that item get tabled or withdrawn? >> We would actually recommend that you withdraw that item. Okay. >> If you adopt this one.

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>> Fair enough. Okay. So, um colleagues, do we need to hear a presentation from Miss Cabra? >> Okay. Any So, no questions regarding you have a question. Please go ahead. >> I know we had had a conversation about you had to have a certain amount of points which was something you had

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brought up. So I think uh the way the ordinance has been modified, it basically we we're essentially leaving the solar mandate in place >> and this becomes a method for opting out of it if you at least satisfy tier one and that keeps us in compliance with the

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governing state regulate the now newly revised uh state regulations. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And just to clarify one thing if I me um which I I spoke with Miss Cabrera, it's not just one or the other. But if you reach the tier one, there are also

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bonuses. So there are rewards for getting it. So it's not just this or this or you get punished. There are rewards for reaching the tier one. >> This is incentive based. That's correct. >> That's correct. >> In keeping with the statute. >> Yep. >> And can we just get an example of tier one because not everybody will

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>> Sure. Mr. You want to give us a >> So tier one is 10 points. And when we looked at it, the reflective flat roofs that almost all modern homes have, the permeable pavers, um, wow.

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Um, all the masonry block walls pretty much are already u good for the thermal um, insulating and um, that that's pretty much it. I mean, they were we could pretty much get them there. Uh the things that are difficult to get is the

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operable windows on opposing sides. That's not one that we saw very often, which I hope it would get. Uh the porches are just not part of this whole modern trend of architecture, but you know, for the more traditional looking homes, that should be something that has

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a big incentive. Um and yeah, I mean >> that's good. Thank you. >> Sorry. >> No, that's okay. I just >> It's been like three months since I last looked at it. I >> No. And I think it's good for people to like just hear that there are options and what even they look like. >> Yeah, we looked at like five or six

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homes and we scored them and um there were a few that almost made it to tier two. There was one in particular almost made it to a tier two. Wow. >> U but a lot of them were just about at a tier one. So just little push we'll get them over. >> Thank you. >> Yes, sir. You're recognized, Mr. Vice Mayor. And I guess just like we've done

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with the zoning, if at all possible, as early as possible, the applications that come in, if we see any issues, revising this would be a great idea because I want to make sure that it has staying power and it's successful. So, just like we've done with the zoning, if come back to us, we're happy to make any

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adjustments based on what you're seeing. >> Yeah, we're going to be monitoring it to see how it's working. If we see that it's way too easy, then maybe we need to revisit the tier two, tier three because we don't want to just give away development um additional development um and if we see that it's just really not working, it's just very difficult to get

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there. We'll come back with you with that also. >> Great. Thank you. >> Just on on that point, just to pick piggy back on his city attorney, sorry to steal your for a second, but to the vice mayor's point, I'm sorry I'm getting tired here. Um

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if if we observe some issues with this that in fact it's either not working or it's too easy for folks to satisfy the tier one requirements. Um what Senate bill is it again? >> SP 180. >> 180. >> I I'm less concerned about modifying

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incentives. >> Okay. That's what I wanted to confirm. So there's no there's no issue with SP 180 >> because again we're not making our ordinance more restrictive than that. What we allow is what we allow. This is this is allowing something additional. >> Just want to confirm for the vice

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mayor's benefit that we do have that flexibility. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Further questions? >> This is a public hearing item. If there's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item 14 again, which is the adoption of some new sustainable development regulations

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in our land development code, please come forward at this time. >> Anyone on Zoom, please raise your virtual hand. Seeing no one in the chamber and no one online, we will close the public hearing. Uh colleagues, we have a motion to adopt item 14. >> I'll move it. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> A motion by Commissioner Bonich and a

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second by Commissioner Cay. Madame Clerk, please call the role. >> Commissioner Cayenne, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Monich, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> It passes 52. >> Uh, can I get a motion to withdraw? Actually, mayor, I have we're revising

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our recommendation just in an abundance of caution. Okay. Um the uh the moratorum the way it was written would run through October 15th, 2026. We would ask because it did lapse on April 15th that it just cover the period between April 15th and June 9th just in case

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there was anybody caught in that time period. So, uh, we would we would ask if you are, uh, because the sustain the sustainable ordinance did not exist until just now. >> Okay. >> That it run through just now. >> What prejudice do they have if >> they could amend their permit? That's a

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that's always another option. >> I mean, I'm >> okay. >> My personal just to basically withdraw it and allow the >> them to travel under the new regulations. That's fair. >> They can certainly do do so. >> Okay. So, do we need a formal motion? >> Uh, no.

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>> Okay. So, show it. >> We'll show the item as withdrawn. >> Fair enough. Okay, great. Okay, let's jump to item five. >> Peacock should liven up the conversation. Item five, a resolution of the mayor and city commission of the city of S,

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Florida urging Miami Day County to re-examine existing protections for peacocks, non-native and invasive species supporting countywide pile mitigation and population management efforts and requesting regional coordination among South Miami Dade

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municipalities including the city of South Miami, city of Pine Crest, city of Corables and city of Miami. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Um, Commissioner Fours, >> we originally had something in the books

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for Peacock mitigation and it it didn't pan out the way that we had hoped. We continue to have real and major issues in our city with peacocks destroying

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people's cars, their roofs, their I mean all kinds of things. They're pooping everywhere. It's just it's while they're very pretty, they're also very destructive. And so this is essentially a mechanism asking

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the county to just reexamine where we're at because they're invasive. They're not in well, in my opinion, not safe to be around because we all know I am not a bird person. But we have to do something.

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Doing nothing. Well, we all know I'm terrified of birds. Um, doing nothing is not an option for us. When, you know, there are some people who love peacocks, some people who hate them. The reality is love them, hate them, they're destructive. And so that's why I brought

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this back. >> Thank you. Uh, was there any uh additional comments or questions? >> Um, I have a qu to the deputy city manager. Um, where are we with with the new weren't you looking at the company

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that's now approved by Core Gables? >> Yeah, they officially approved a contract with a vendor. So, we have all the documents and we're moving forward with piggy backing off of that contract. >> And do do they take it to a sanctuary or we don't know where

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>> humane safe relocation is the scope of their contract? >> Okay. Thank you. >> Great. Thank you. and uh Commissioner Kay. >> No good. >> Okay. >> I didn't I didn't have one either. I guess we could do both. We could have uh

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the city pursue it and we could still send something to the county without running a foul. >> Um >> Oh, that was that was a good one. >> I don't get this opportunity very Okay, so uh with that I'll entertain a motion.

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>> I'll move it. >> Second. All right. >> Madam City Clerk, >> yes. Commissioner Bonish, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory,

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>> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 5 Z. >> And I believe uh the next item would be six. >> Yeah. Item six, a resolution of the mayor city commission of the city of South supporting and uniting in

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solidarity with the Cuban people's right to democracy, freedom of speech, expression, assembly, and of the press, recognizing the historical significance of Cuban independence day, supporting the actions taken by the president of the United States in advocating for Cuban sovereignty and people's right for

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democracy. >> So cool. >> Thank you, M. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Again, Commissioner, when each item is yours, you're recognized. >> When this came across my email, I thought to myself, wow, at at last we have a way to actually voice

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our support in a unified way. I think that we often see, you know, people here, there, and everywhere, but I think rarely do you see it happen municipality by municipality. So, I believe all of us received this in

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our email. The city attorney was nice enough to send me the ideas maybe from one or more than one of y'all to reward some of this

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because I understand that it it can it can read a little much. I I get it. So there were two uh two changes and or suggestions for change. One of them was

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on page two, the one, two, three, four, fifth. It was six, right? No, it was the fifth one where they wanted to add authorized Cuban citizens contract for their labor

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directly with foreign multinationals and not through state sponsored enterprises. And I understand where that comes from. You know, for anybody who's been paying attention, the Castros essentially own a company that outsources the unwilling

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citizens of the island of Cuba to do labor in other countries around the world. They do not see that money. They that money actually goes to this corporation. That corporation is the Castro family. So not even the island of

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Cuba benefits from it. It is a private benefit. I agree with that. I think maybe it belongs in the next whereas clause because Those really talk about that whereas clause in particular talks about the electoral

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process where the next one it says whereas the city commission believes that the realization of freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, of association of religion, of the press, a free and open economy. I believe maybe that might be better

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served there right after e open economy because it kind of ties in to the process of them being able to make money for themselves. If whoever wrote that or any one of you have a better idea of where you think it would work.

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>> No, I I I mean I suggest that to see attorney as a modification for us to consider. Uh I want to support the item. I had a little heartburn about a couple of the statements in some of the recitals. >> Um I could for me for me it's a that issue is a particularly personal one

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because I had an uncle who um had a chance to work abroad in Canada >> or call him an uncle. He's more like a fourth cousin or third cousin. But um >> he's your Cuban uncle. >> My Cuban uncle. Yeah. But uh literally he was paid by the state uh a tenth of

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what they were paying uh this foreign entity. And whether you working abroad or working on the island, you're not allowed to contract freely for your labor. And there really is no freedom in any society unless you can actually earn money without the government as an intermediary. And so,

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>> and it's not >> I know I sound like a I know I sound like a uh you know, Republican right now, but and anyhow, >> I warming my heart. >> I know. I'm sure I know. >> But, you know, here's the thing, though. You're right. Warming my heart. >> And and and the thing >> though, Travis is going to pull my party

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card in the back in a second. But anyhow, no, but Travis even though Travis even agrees with me on this point. So, >> no. No. And I and and the worst part is that not only that you say, you know, the the government of Cuba is benefiting from >> they're oppressed and then on top of

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that, the people benefiting from this are directly their oppressed. >> So I I don't have I don't I mean I I suggested it being amended in the a particular recital. I'm open to having it included wherever you the city attorney thinks it makes reads most reads most artfully. Okay.

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>> Okay. And then the second one was in section two which is on the last page at the top. The expression of support recognition of Cuban Independence Day supporting Cubans right to freedom of expression and support for actions taken by US government. The city commission

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hereby approves this resolution and supports the Cuban people and further urges the US government to such action in support of Cuban sovereignty. And then you had written as determined by the Cuban people. I I I went back and forth with the city attorney on this to

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see if maybe we found a a better way to write that simply because I I almost feel like that's premature. They don't have It's funny, we talked about the Declaration of Independence while we were having this conversation because I was like there's no group I don't think

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ready to take action like that. So how you know they're going to have massive state department of assistance for years if that were to go through. It's not like Venezuela where they've you know had 20 years you you know the mechanism mechanism is rusty but it can turn

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itself back on. Here we have almost several years. So how do we like is there a way as determined by >> I don't I would I'm going to just I don't want to get into philosophical discussion. It's a little far beyond our >> can I tell you and I'm not >> I'm not opposed to it. I'm just

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wondering if that's if that's like the the last way you want to write it. >> Yeah. The reason I included the statement that way is because you know I certainly have no love loss for Nicholas Maduro. I don't think if I spoke to my long deceased Cuban nationalist

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grandfather, you know, Miguel San Pedro, and he were commenting on what happened in Venezuela, he'd be more upset if about that happening in Cuba. And this is a man who spent every one of his 59 years leading protests on streets here and organizing labor strikes to support,

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you know, Cuban sovereignty and independence. uh but he would be offended by US intervention in what he would see fundamentally as an issue of Cuba's self-governance and uh I think the lesson that we take away

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from the Plat amendment as Cubans is you know when we sanction that kind of activity we invite Cuba's you know US intervention and it destabilizes the democracy over time I think that's what's happened in Cuba over its history so you know I I wrote that because I wanted to be express about it being

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something that's organic on the island. There's been quite a lot of activism for an island that's not seen uh seen a ton of repression. It seems that, you know, liberty is, you know, uh a divine instinct, right, that's embedded in all of us. And whether you grew up in it or not, somehow it always finds a way to

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manifest itself. And we certainly seen plenty of examples of that over the last 70 long years. So I, you know, I think that language is important, my perspective as a Cuban American to include it because um and I say CubanAmerican and I'm going to say in

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light on the Cuban, right, having, you know, been to the island and and seen how different, you know, my culturation process here has been from the lived experience of Cubans there. And so, you know, while I want to support a

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democratic transition and raise my voice and support, I want to follow the lead of people on the island who know best, you know, what that future should look like as opposed to whatever outdated, you know, unmed versions we may have here, you know, living under the

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umbrella of freedom, right? Uh as opposed to people who are struggling to claim it every single >> sitting in the cheap seats is what you're trying to say. >> That's exactly right. >> So, that was the reason for the language change. I got you. All right. >> And I I did have one other modification which to me is particularly important because it's I think this should be a

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neutral political statement from us about freedom and supporting a democratic you know a democratic transition anywhere. And that was the recital um that reads currently as recognizing and supporting the actions of >> wait where are you >> taken by taken by president the

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president of the United States right >> where yeah but >> I think it's recital 13 if I'm remembering from memory >> yeah I had suggested some alternate language that basically was a statement about policy and values as opposed to necessarily applauding Congress or a

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president or any particular leader for whatever actions they've taken in for it. Um, >> it's here. Yeah. I I didn't Oh, >> you did. Okay. >> I didn't have any issues with anything. I just said that that one sentence I think belonged in the next one. >> That's fine. Then I'm golden. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Thank you. >> I was like, wait, there's more.

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>> Commissioner, thank you for bringing in and thank you for u considering the modifications. >> Of course. I think we speak especially on something like this, we need to speak with one voice. >> Okay. Is there a motion? Do you want to move it as as modified? >> As modified. >> Is there a second?

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>> I'll second it. Just I'll second. I'm going to take that one. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> A motion by Commissioner Bonich and a second by myself as the modifier. Madam clerk, if you can call the role, please. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Cay. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez.

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>> Yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Item pass as amended. >> You can read item seven, please. Item seven, a resolution of the mayor, city commission of the city of South, Florida, amending a building division section of the city's schedule of fees and fines to update building permit plan

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review inspection and related fees in compliance with House Bill 803 2026 effective July 1st, 2026 and section 553.8.80 Florida statutes. Colleagues, any questions regarding item

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seven of our land development director or land development services director for the administration? I often wonder what we would do if it wasn't for all these modifications we got to make in response to bills from Tallahassee. So, um, is there a motion to adopt?

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>> Motion. >> Second. >> A motion by Commissioner Rodriguez and a second by Commissioner Bonich. Madam Clerk, please call the RO. >> Yes. Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. Commission Moni. >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez. >> Yes. >> Item passes 5.

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>> Thank you. Okay. Uh I have on the board still minutes >> report number nine. >> Nine. >> Number nine. >> Unless you don't want to get elected. >> No, number nine. I'm sorry. No, I I scratched it off. Anyhow, let's read number nine. Then we'll go back through the regular order. >> Item nine. A resolution of the mayor

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city commission of the city of South America relating to the 2026 general election for the mayor and city commissioners groups one and four to be held on November 3rd, 2026 establishing qualifying dates for the city's general election on November 3rd, 2026 provided

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for city clerks to utilize the services of Miami Day County Supervisor of Elections for the general election, including the issuance of the appropriate ballot and adherence to election procedures in accordance with applicable and state law. >> Thank you, Madam Clerk. Um, colleagues,

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any questions regarding the resolution? If not, I'll open up the public hearing. There's any member of the public who'd like to address this commission on item nine, which sets the date for our next election to be held and the qualifying dates for candidates, please come forward at this time. Seeing no one in

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the chamber, madam clerk, is there anyone online? No one online, we will close the public hearing. Colleagues, is there a motion to adopt item nine? >> I'll move it. >> Second. We have a motion by Commissioner Bonich and a second by Commissioner Cay. Madame clerk, please call the role.

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>> Commissioner Cay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Commission Bon, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Cory, >> yes. >> Mayor Fernandez, >> yes. >> Item passes 5 Z. >> Sir, a motion to adopt the minutes of May 19th, 2026. >> I'll move. >> I'll second. >> We got a motion by Commissioner Kay, a second by Commissioner Bonich. Madam

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clerk, please call the role. >> Yes. Commissioner Bonish. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Kay, >> yes. >> Commissioner Rodriguez, >> yes. >> Vice Mayor Corey? >> Yes. >> Mayor Fernandez? >> Yes. >> Minutes pass 5. Thank you, Mr. Manager. Your report. Madam Deputy, are you >> I'll just mention one item that is not in the printed manager report, which is

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that this Saturday we're going to have our annual recycling event where you can drive up and um drop off your electronics here at city hall. So, there'll be two individuals from public works that'll be available to help people unload their car. You don't even have to get out of your car and the truck will be parked alongside Sunset

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Drive right outside of city hall. So, I wanted to mention that because it's not in the printed report. Sorry, >> we were going fast. I'm putting it in my calendar. It's okay. So, it's here at city hall and Saturday. Okay. Thank >> you're welcome. Um, and we sent it out

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in our newsletter. We'll put it out on our social media again as a reminder. Um, I also wanted to introduce Chief so that he can formally introduce our new assistant chief, uh, Jose Vargas. >> Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, and the citizens of South

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Miami. It is my honor and privilege to introduce and formally present our new assistant chief of police, Dr. Jose M. Vargas, following a comprehensive national executive. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. We have another doctor here. >> Sorry, doctor. We've already got >> Wow, this is going to be insufferable to

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come to the work of this government. >> I know. It's going to be like doctor >> doctor. >> Everyone gets that one. Following the comprehensive national executive search, Assistant Chief Vargas emerged as a clear choice to help lead South Miami Police Department. His selection reflects an exceptional

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combination of executive leadership, operational expertise, and academic achievement, and an unwavering commitment to public service. Assistant Chief Vargas brings nearly three decades of distinguished law enforcement experience from the Myiramar Police Department, where he most recently served as the interim chief of police

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prior to his retirement. Throughout his career, he has earned a reputation as a thoughtful, innovative leader whose values accountability, organizational excellence, and professional development and strong community partnerships. His experience spans the full spectrum of modern

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policing from operational leadership and strategic planning to fostering trust and collaboration with the communities he serves. His educational accomplishments are equally impressive. Dr. Dr. Vargas holds a doctorate of education in organizational learning and leadership, a master's in public

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administration, and a bachelor of arts and criminology. He's also a graduate of some of the nation's most prestigious executive leadership programs, including the FBI National Academy, the Harvard Kennedy School of Executive Education program, and the Southern Police Institute's Command and Development

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Program. What impressed me the most throughout this process was not only his extensive experience and credentials, but also his vision for the future of policing. One that embraces innovation, develops people, strengthens community relationships, and upholds the highest standards of professionalism and

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integrity. The city of South Miami is fortunate to welcome a leader of Assistant Chief Vargas' caliber. I'm confident that his experience, his character, and a commitment to excellence will serve our department, our city, and our residents exceptionally well. A ceremonial

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swearing in will be held on June 16th, 2026. However, please join me in welcoming Assistant Chief Joseé M. Vargas to the South Miami Police Department in the city of South Miami. Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, commissioners, city manager, deputy city

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manager. It's truly an honor uh to have been chosen and selected for this position. Um the warm welcome I've received from staff speaks volumes about, you know, the the the quality of people that you have working here. Everyone's been so welcoming from the

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men and women at the police department to the directors, city staff, professionals. Uh the expertise and professionalism speaks volumes. Uh I'm honored to be here to have been chosen. And um you know I want to thank the

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residents as well for allowing me to serve them at this capacity and I look forward to many years of contributions to an already great city with a amazing amazing history and legacy. So thank you very much for having me.

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>> Thank you. Uh I have a question since you know >> I I work with a doctor. I'm married to a doctor. So I have to ask you this question which is what was the title of your dissertation? So it was a capstone and it was on >> it was a cap a capstone project.

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>> Yeah, it was a capstone project and it was on the effects of police monitoring on reducing juvenile recidivism and burglaries. >> Okay, that's actually understandable. So thank you. Okay, any further questions? >> Yeah.

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>> So are you doctor friends with our doctor? >> I am now. >> There you go. You see? >> Well, technically one doctor chose the other doctor. Yes, there you go. Oh, and and as as long as you're innovative, policing doesn't include u non-man

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police cars that should be delivering. I love for innovation and new technology. And uh you know, I I got to say I was very impressed also coming into a police department where the chief's just been recognized for chief

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of the year leadership award. the gentleman that I'm replacing, God bless him, 36 plus years, just inducted into the uh the law enforcement hall of fame, you know, my my brag is I was voted best hair when I was a young officer for my squad. So,

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>> there you go. >> Still have a good head of hair. So, congrats. >> It does speak uh, you know, it gives testament that that 36 years here and uh it's not just a city of pleasant living but also pleasant working. So, I look

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forward to an amazing career and given many great contributions to the city. >> Mr. Manager, you're recognized. >> Mr. Mayor, thank you. I I just point of personal privilege. I I'll overlook the the hair thing, but um I um you know, I we're we're

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>> I can't I can't imagine you with hair, honestly. So, >> you just go to my office. There's one picture that has >> No, that picture I can't believe it's real. >> It's real. No AI. >> AI. AI. Um, no, I I I certainly want to, you know, echo uh some of the comments that the chief made. We're certainly lucky uh to have somebody of uh Chief

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Vargas' pedigree and, you know, it runs deep in the family. His brother is a police chief at Peenrook Pines and he feels he he had a a role in mentoring his brother and he continues to to take that on uh from a mentoring standpoint, which is going to be very important to this department um given the the youth

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movement uh that we have as it relates to, you know, the positions that are being filled. So, somebody that has done and been and and you know, walked the the talk. Uh, and we're fortunate to to have his experience here. So, I appreciate you taking an interest and uh we're fortunate and certainly welcome to

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City of South Miami. >> Thank you, sir. >> Further comments? No. Welcome aboard. Good luck. >> Big shoes to fill, but you we're sure to do a good job. >> Thank you, sir. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, >> Mayor. If I if I could on on the comment

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that was made on the chief corbin because I I think >> I think it was uh really important. is something that you had heard, but you know, I was fortunate to to to be in Tallahassee along with the chief and other staff members and a lot of family members to support him in that nomination and it was a a class act

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operation of Florida Department of Law Enforcement and how uh they um organized that event and the significance that it has prominent location within the Capitol lobby uh you know with his picture there and to have somebody from our own organization be recognized at

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that level. uh second person, Chief Land, also was been inducted in the Hall of Fame, but you know, Larry was a 38-year career person. So, if you go to the Capitol, you see his ugly mug on the in the lobby. But, but I can tell you that it was uh incredibly um powerful to

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see the show of support for him. Chief Perry, who was his chief that hired him, actually took the trip up there. Yeah. And so it was really neat to see u both the chief that hired him and and the chief that that uh made him assistant chief be part of that ceremony. So I was glad to represent the city on our

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behalf. But um certainly a great recognition and testament to to you know people like Chief Corbin that serve our citizens every day. >> Thank you sir. Um I do have one question in the report. I'm sorry to even ask it. I forgot. What what are what exactly are we doing at Murray Park with the

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residing? I thought we had resided the field previously and now that I'm actually going to the gym, I I saw that recently. >> Yeah, sir. >> Yeah. The the the the installation of that grass, I mean, it took a beating. I I think that the uh probably the

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maintenance was was not um you know, up to par. I will tell you that, you know, unfortunately with the type of use that those areas receive, it's just very difficult to maintain that. But certainly uh you know uh a a ad a Tyson and I had spoken about it. There was

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some seeding and fertilizing and just a more intentional approach to that and it just requires that type of um maintenance. So okay that took place and and and but I I can tell you that it's always a challenge for an area that has an intensive use from a daily standpoint

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being PE with the school to to football and and so forth. Um so we we hope to have a better handle on that. Again, I just thank you for reminding me. I'll recognize you right now. I'm sorry, ma'am. Um, I know we we passed the item for Somi on the one-year basis, and it's

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just something for us to keep in mind as we try to think about cost recovery. Again, I'm not trying to want to make a I don't want to make a profit on a school, but just want to make sure that we're have a number that it's fair and allows us to kind of keep a facility up to par, right? So, kids actually have u a good place to play in recre. Yes,

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you're recognized. I think I I was actually at the pool the other day and I was looking at the field. We've got to make sure that when we do these things that we drop and I I want to say it's sand, but I'm probably thinking it

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wrong. You know, the the gr the grass gets all these divots and if we don't put that filling sand, maybe that's not what it's called. Oh, there you go. Yeah. If we don't keep that a consistent thing that we do, we're gonna see people

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like bending ankles and falling and all of that. So, I think while we do have to stay on top of regular minutes, I think that is key. >> Thank you. Okay, moving on. Mr. City Attorney, here report please. >> Nothing to report.

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>> Okay, thank you. Okay. >> Uh, did we take action on N1? No. >> Nope. Does it require formal appointment or is it just you just need to read in the record? >> I can just read into record >> please if you can then. >> And when Michael Alman has been appointed by commissioner Kay to the town center advisory board as per city

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charter article 2 section 8A for a two-year term ending June 9th 2028. >> Thank you madam clerk. >> Okay colleagues we've got the final report from the charter review commission that we convened uh to talk about. I there's a lot in there. If I

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could just op offer some observations and see if there's some consensus and we can narrow the list to a subset because I don't know that all of us want to put all 14 items on the ballot this year and I don't know if there's any way to do it in a consolidated fashion if we got to

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attorneys. Is there one way to kind of adopt a document or as a single item or do we have to take these in in >> if if we presented it as a rewrite we could do it all in one shot. However, the the the >> the work product is the work product

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there to support that right now or not? >> I I don't think so. I Yeah, I I Yeah. >> So, again, I just don't know how feasible it is for us to literally put 14 questions on the ballot and have them all kind of considered and supported. I think they probably get a lot of down

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ballot fatigue. I in terms of I wanted to get the manager's opinion on the ones that were most operationally critical for the city. Mr. Manager, if you have some thoughts on that, I'd love to hear them. We didn't have a chance certainly to discuss that. Um, I had

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flagged just my quick list ones that I know had been some discussion here before. Items one, two, three, five, 7, 13, and 14 as being the ones that were most operational critical.

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In my review of the uh memo, a lot of the elections related or term related ones, I thought there were some holes in a lot of the uh the logic and I think they probably used some additional work and I know we do need to give the city attorney some direction to start writing ballot language for us to consider over

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our next couple of meetings. So those are the ones I had seen that I thought were probably in the category of most critical from an operational standpoint. Again, one with respect to vacancies, two with respect to meeting frequency. We could argue about whether that's something we need to do or not. I know

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that commissioner um Rodriguez had mentioned the planning board item with the dual service on planning board and development review committee before and that came back with a recommendation recommending that. Um item five, which I can't read my own

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handwriting. Item seven, which I think that was the acting manager appointment process in item five. Seven had the city manager purchasing authority. Uh 13 was our ability to use electronic notices which should save us substantial money.

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And then 14 was um I can't even read my writing. This is terrible. Uh anyone can help me with 14? >> 14 franchise agreements versus franchise >> franchise agreement. So those to me were the ones that I thought were closer to ready to prime time and may have some

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operational impact. So Mr. Man, I don't know if any of any items are you wanted to highlight that maybe I omitted. >> Yeah, mayor. Um, Commissioner Ka earlier during our briefing asked that question. The deputy and I had taken a look at it. Uh, just from the standpoint of I think the goal is realizing there's only so much bandwidth that when somebody goes

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to vote that that that that uh so um I I we had pretty much all of those we just kept a more truncated list with seven 13 and 14. Um u you know there's some other things that are clean up but at the end of the day you know they're not earthshattering if you will. I think uh

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from that standpoint uh one uh was primarily I think something that that is a functional you know replacement of a vacancy. I know the clerk was concerned about that. Um and seven given the u the the purching

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authority I think they just finished cleaning up to comport with the ordinance uh you know >> that we adopted. So you we can make modifications as needed in our ordinance as opposed to having to go back and correct constantly amend the >> I think that just finishes that process

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of cleaning that up. Um certainly 13 um with the issue of uh the publication we've talked about that and and the possibility that you know that's also financial has some financial implications. Uh 14 I I know you know Mr. City attorney you and I had talked a

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little bit about that. Obviously there there's a there's a decoupling there and I think may merit some further explanation because there was a issue of of of I think primary importance on the length of leases and I'll let the city attorney speak about that. So we we had that on our list. So we had 1 171 1314.

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Okay. >> As a means of having something that you know maybe is not too much to bite off. >> Colleagues, are we agreement that maybe four is the right number of ballot items? Generally, anyone have any thoughts on the total number? >> I was I was between four and five. >> Okay, sir.

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>> I'm not really held to a number. >> Okay, Mr. Vice Mayor, any thoughts? >> We've never done more. We've written more than four before, but yeah. U Madam Commissioner, any thoughts on the number before we get into expanding the list? >> I don't.

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>> You don't have a You don't have a hard line? >> No, I think four or five. Either one works. >> Okay. Let's go left to right and see. Are there any items that you want to add to the list? >> No. What I want to talk about. >> Okay. But but it's on the list so far.

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>> It's it's here already. >> Okay. Perfect. Vice Mayor, you're good. >> Which would you like to add? So, um, changing the the land lease. >> Okay. >> 14. >> That's 14. >> 14. Okay. >> The franchise. Oh, >> franchise. Yes.

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>> I I I'll explain it whenever it's time. >> That fine. Okay. I just want to make sure we've got a list of the things we want to focus on, Commissioner Cay. >> Nope. >> We're good. Okay. So, let's go through right again. Ladies, first, which one would you like to discuss first? >> Um, amendment 10.

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>> Oh, okay. That's not what I had on my list. Okay. Now, what is number 10? >> Sorry. That's why I said I just had one that I wanted to talk about. >> Got it. I was starting to see added so we knew what we wanted to talk about. Okay, we'll add 10. Let's go there. Yeah. >> Do you want me to talk about please? Yeah. Yeah. Now you're recognized.

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>> Um this puts in place primary election procedures. I maybe I'm misreading this, but I'm like I thought that the way that it runs is everybody runs and whoever wins wins, right? And now we're saying we want to add a layer to this. So, I think what

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this is designed, what as I read it, what it does is puts us on the August primary as opposed to a November election. Um, which generally has lower turnout. Um, >> but it puts us on both. >> It put Well, so what I thought was absurd and why I thought it was one of

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the ones I think was ready to be discussed or considered is because let's assume you've got three candidates in the race. Let's assume I ran for mayor and I won with 80% of the vote. the way this is drafted would require me to run in the in November again,

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>> right? So, I just I you know, I don't know what the logic was. I I talked very briefly with my appointee about it. I wanted to kind of review the record and kind of understand what the discussion was to get to this recommendation, but as it was drafted, it just didn't intuitively make sense to me. And all the folks that are on that committee are

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right people. So, I thought they would have why would they advance something with this recommendation with what seems to be an obvious flaw. That's why I didn't put it in the list of issues I thought were ready for >> Yeah. No, I don't think it's ready. That's where I'm like, >> yeah, that's why I didn't I didn't I didn't include it in my list for that

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reason. >> Any other comments on that? Anyone want to discuss that for >> I keep hitting this thing. And then the other one, if we decided to go with five, which is just such an easy one, is the amendment two. If we decide to go

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with five items on the on the ballot instead of four, >> sure, >> that one is just an easy Sure. I think it's an easy cleanup. So, >> so again, I um I I think really the goal I have on the list, okay, the manager said, 17, 13,

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and 14. Do you want to talk about the franchise one since that's the most complicated? >> Sure. >> Of the ones that we have potentially, Mr. C attorney. So, I as I read the item, it didn't really the recommendation did not necessarily decouple it. Define franchise. Correct.

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>> Yes. I I I think we could have done a better job at explaining it. Uh let me start there >> because my my my the feedback I got from my appointee who I talked to was >> yes >> that the committee wanted to keep leases to not longer than 50 years but they did want to distinguish between leases and

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franchises. >> They did want to distinguish between them. Okay. >> But they yeah they my understanding is again I don't want to speak for the whole board but right >> Manny Chico who I pointed who I kind of debriefed with >> said the discussion essentially was >> franchises are distinct. They're a

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privilege, right? >> Right. They should be for a shorter term. >> Leases obviously confer rights in the realy or or real property. They saw a distinction as a board, but notwithstanding the distinction. They didn't want to allow leases to go beyond

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50 years without going to the ballot. >> Okay. That's not what this says. >> That's not what this says. >> Correct. Correct. This I I Yeah. >> Yeah. So, just I wanted to clarify that part of it. >> Okay. Why don't you explain what you what you understand the language read?

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>> Sure. Sure. What what we did with this was decouple franchises from leases. So this provision that you're looking at right here would only deal with franchises. >> Leases would be governed by another portion another section in the uh I

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think in article two uh which requires four votes, an ordinance and the notice that comes along with with adopting an ordinance which is standard. um it would not be subject to these other restrictions under what we have proposed

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at at this point based on what I guess what we understood the direction to be. Um, so if we could make that clear obviously in a ballot question, we would clarify that certainly. Um, this is not a ballot question. This is just the per the the

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draft amendment. U, if that's the direction you want to go, we could go down that direction or we could uh, you know, do something more overt even. So to understand the effect of this, you're saying we have to read the section four modifications

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concurrently with what other section of the charter >> with article two. There's a reference to it in your in your um on page 18 of 19. Yep. >> In your packet. >> Okay. Um it is article 2 section six ordinances and article 2 section 6D which requires

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four affirmative votes of the commission. >> Okay. Got it. >> Okay. >> We just got to work on the verbage. >> Okay. So that just again so that's the process section of the charter. >> Correct. >> That it deals with vote thresholds for >> correct. There would not not be a

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separate section on leases. >> Okay. So there's no Okay. Got it. Okay, >> understood. Okay, colleagues, are we clear on what the effect of the draft change is? Okay, >> any any comments, questions here? >> I mean, yeah. So, what I what I was

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going for is the the land leases kind of like what we did with city hall instead of having to go for each land from 50 to 99. I think we should just all land leases should just go to 99. >> Well, doing this way, we'll have no

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limitation. Correct. >> Yeah. But this is you just said it. Franchises and leases are separate. >> Correct. And this 50-year term is really only applicable to franchises. >> So leases would then >> leases would be separate and would not have any limitation. >> So yeah. So leases

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>> do we have to go to B? Sorry. Do we have to go to ballot? >> Basic. >> We we have to go to ballot for this approval. >> For this but not for leases >> you would not have to go in the future to extend the lease term. >> Okay. That's all I was saying. I just thought it was ridiculous to have to go to >> Okay. >> Fair enough. Any any further

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conversation or thoughts on this? Okay. So, this is one that we want to put among the four or five. >> Yeah, that's number one for me. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, let's put that on the list of items. >> Okay. >> U one question. Do you want to retain the 50-year term for franchises? The maximum term for franchises?

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>> I mean, I it seems long for a franchise. I mean, the only thing I you know, I don't I mean, >> what is typical? Yeah. >> What is >> 15 years for for a maximum? 10 years, 15 years. >> Do we have any leases that are 50 years? >> Not leases. I'm sorry. Franches that are

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50 years. >> Franchise agreements. >> Not land leases that we have. Is there >> utility agreements with what was the last gas franchise that we did like 10 years maybe? >> Yeah. There. So

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I mean franchise would be any any utilities, right? So yeah, FPL if FPL has is requires some some use of our rights of way. Um that's actually all regulated by the state. So we don't even get involved in that. The gas franchise is another one. Um

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>> any telecoms? >> Telecom, water and sewer. >> Solid waste. >> Yeah, solid solid waste is an interesting one. Yeah, solid waste because we grant franch franchises for their for the use of our own roads, right? so that they can go and pick up solid waste and they pay for that

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privilege. Uh those terms >> five years I think >> I think those are five years what >> five years I >> think are five years >> afraid are they five or 10 years >> the franchise agreement with waste >> dollarers >> sir you recognize

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>> is there ever a case where a utility needs to build a substantial amount of infrastructure and needs to collect that back with a longer term lease >> it can happen yeah if they're if they're installing new utilities if uh for example, if water and sewer were ever to install, >> right?

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>> Uh uh you know, not but not that we're going to kick them out either, >> right? But couldn't we make it like 25 in like the greatest case so we never handcuff a commission to be able to have like a water and sewer? >> I I don't I don't I don't I'm not that

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Yes, sir. You recognize >> just put something on on the map just in case given our conversations with our public works yard that potentially there there could be a use there. I wonder if they would sort of ride under a franchise depending on who >> I think it would be. It would be it's

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not a privilege. We're we're basically giving them rights in the real property. So that's a in my mind that's a distinction. >> We structure it as a lease. >> We structure as a lease. Yeah. >> I think it's if we structured it that way. >> This is more like a license, a the franchise, >> right? But we've considered that for

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occup occupying other property that that we own and the franchise has come into play. We have in the past. No, you're absolutely right. That's why we're proposing cleaning it up >> to not get caught in that. >> So, you want us 25?

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>> I I I honestly we could leave we could leave it at 50. I mean, it doesn't at the end of the day it doesn't have to be that have to be that long. We decide to issue it. I mean, just gives the commission flexibility to decide on a maximum term. >> That could also get us tied into

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a bad partnership for a very long time. >> Yeah, it is. But, you know, we we've done worse deals than this for sure. So, I mean, >> I think 15 15 20 >> I I was not looking at you off. >> He did. He looked at you and he said garage.

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>> Yeah. >> I mean, I I would say 15. Cut it down. >> I I don't want to die on this hill, but um I mean I I would tell you remember It's

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>> just seems like such a long time for me. >> It is a long time. I I would never vote for a franchise agreement that's 50 years. >> Correct. >> But I don't want to limit the ability for someone to do a 50-year franchise agreement, right? Because, you know, >> Well, they can come back and extend it for 50 years on a referendum if they want. >> Yeah. But you you and I know how

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difficult that is. So, I mean, um, whatever the board wants to do. I'm not I'm not it's not my not my uh >> is it is it possible that Can we do this? Why don't Why don't we ask the city attorney to look at Would you guys just mind looking at what other

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restrictions are in some other cities >> around the terms of these and bring back we want this one? We clearly want to come back with the possibility of shortening the the maximum term. If you can give us some reference term reference points on what that the appropriate term is or what practices I

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think it kind of help us certainly me get more comfortable with a shorter term. Okay. But this is another one. Yes or not? Yes. Right. We want to move this one onto the agenda. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> One I don't agree with is number 11.

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>> Number 11. It's not on the list. >> So, it's not saying number 11. >> Okay. Well, you want to put it on? >> I do not. Okay. >> No, no, no. It's not. I'd be I'd be the only one left. >> No. No. There you go. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. You're with me. >> Wait. I'd be the only one left up here.

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>> Yeah. >> That might not be a bad thing for me at least. >> Anyhow, um, >> keep the train riding. >> Yeah. Number I have a counter on number two. >> On number two? Yes, sir. >> Yeah. I I don't I mean I don't see why we'd want to do this. It's just it's it gives a perception that we don't want to

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work anymore more. >> I I agree. That is one possible way to read that aren't wanting to have less frequent meetings. And >> I don't think it's a big deal. >> I don't think it's a big deal either. >> Does anybody remember when this happened? >> Yes. >> What what remind >> when this decision was made? It was it

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was insane. >> Remind me. >> It was um with Mayor Phillips and they went back and forth of what the verbiage should be and the arguments

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were were very interesting. So, >> but we're going on our fourth year. We haven't had a problem with it. So, >> no. >> And I don't think people >> we often meet we often meet in excess of what we need to or required to. So, I mean, I I I just my only objection to

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putting this on would be it was on three years ago. >> Yeah. >> And we're going to put it back on again and people be like, "What what is this so important?" So, I would I'd rather save my gunfire for seven, for example, on the CM purchasing, which gives us more operational flexibility.

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Um, number one, which the clerk, I think, has some concerns about filling vacancies, right? Those are things that potentially if we don't have the operational flexibility of the charter could be crippling to or limiting to our operations. >> So can we say all say that we agree with

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1713 and 14 and then if there's one that we need to add that we can just talk about it. >> I do. Yeah, I agree with 17 13 and 14. >> And I'd like us to remove 10 because I don't think it makes >> 10's not on the list. I know but like >> like

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>> remove it from us. >> This is just a report. So we can choose to accept from this report what what we what we want. >> I'm fine. 171314. >> So 171314. Anything else that we want to put on the list, >> Mr. Manager? Uh we've got planning

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board. Did you want to put planning board on the list? >> I I I I think Yeah. I think if you're on the planning board and you're on the DRB, you should be choose one. >> Okay. You really want to set that to referendum?

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>> People vote on it. >> Sure. >> Is there any is there Mr. C? Is there anything to limit us from precluding service on both boards by ordinance? >> Okay. Okay. So, >> you could you could do it by ordinance.

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Why don't we bring back an ordinance to uh beyond any existing appointment? >> Correct. >> We >> correct. >> Prohibit the dual service. Okay. >> That's exactly how we said it the first time. >> Well, it's fine. We now we >> No, no, >> I said grandfathering the current

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person. >> Fine. Now we have now it's gone. That's gotten kicked around by everybody. So, we have 100% unity. >> No, no, hold on, mayor. No disrespect to Danny. We've already voted on this before. Like, we don't need to go through this. >> Okay. I mean, my opinion, let's just move forward.

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>> Okay, that's just my opinion. >> I mean, Danny, I mean, sorry, Commissioner Rodriguez is a big deal, >> but this is not for me. This is just for the city. Just to clean it up as far as like >> I don't think going forward we should have this one person on both. >> Let's leave that to the side for now,

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but let's put in the parking lot. Do you need five in terms of the acne manager cleanup? Is that something you wanted? Is that something that's you think is operationally essential? I I just I think it just makes it um more practical, but in the scheme of things

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and in considering voters, I I think that would just create more more noise than we need for the benefit that we're getting. >> Okay. I mean, yes, it would be helpful, but >> Okay. >> something. >> Okay. Yes, ma'am. >> Can't we just put these on like in a

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>> Yeah. cycle? We can over the years rolling rolling year. Yeah. I I look I think there's consensus of 1713 and 14. So we're not here a lot longer. Everyone fine with having language brought back at the next meeting for us to consider

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and then we can each have individual conversations with the city attorney about other items that we may want to bring back with modifications or or not discuss this at all. >> Okay. >> You need a vote. >> I don't think we need a vote. Correct.

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This is not an action item. It's just uh we'll vote on the questions themselves once every back. >> Correct. >> Okay. Anything else before this body that we need to attend to, Madam Clerk? We good? >> Commission discussions. That's it. >> Okay. Anybody have anything for the record they want to know? >> No. Okay.

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>> I do Hold on. I want to say something. Um just real quick. I'm sorry. Uh having all these kids coming in the last couple of days and weeks, I think it's beneficial. Um I was encouraged that we can trip. I'm talking to everybody on the because we're all contributing. I think it's been really cool. I think the

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kids are really appreciative of what we're trying to do. I would encourage us to continue to do that. Figure out not only Columbus or other schools, but mayor for the day. She was amazing. >> You're a great girl. Yeah. >> Fantastic. So, I think it's a good way of giving back to the community and I'm all for it. >> It's been motivational for myself.

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>> I wanted to thank you guys because it's been great. And I think I I think we have one intern who's working on a proposal for a possible youth advisory council or some sort of way to formalize >> that would be great >> this. So hopefully we'll have something to consider in the future.

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>> But you still want the prohibition on Bin. >> No, as long as it's as long as it's 10 to one Columbus dies to Bend guys, we're good. >> You know, >> you can even take a saber or two. It's okay. >> Um I just wanted to say I wanted to I

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already I I said this to the to the manager, but Alfredo wasn't there. So, I just wanted to say um when the whole thing rolled out with the property tax and all that, I you know, I just appreciate the fact that because my next thing was going to email how did we get affected by it and your email was excellent and,

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>> you know, spot on on and and actually informing us very well as far as how it affects our city. So, I just wanted to commend you guys for acting swiftly and knowledgeably. So, thank you for that,

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>> mayor. To add to that, is that something that we want to encourage our staff to do? Really start pointing to the importance of what our taxes do. Maybe a marketing camp marketing campaign. Uh, start emphasizing what the actual tax dollars are being used for, like just maybe a campaign.

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>> Yeah, I think I mean I think we >> What do you think? >> We certainly I think one really interesting fact I badgered Alfredo quite a bit this week beginning on Tuesday. So, thank you for your patience. Uh, but one really interesting

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fact that I took away from the analysis that he put together that when you look at our growth rate year-over-year from 2009 to 22, our city budget grew at less than 1% a year. That's for all the bunk we hear because I can't think of a

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there's a strong word I want to use. >> We hear about governments being wasteful. This has not been one of them. >> We've had a lot of growth the last three years. We ramped up our spending, but I think we all know that we needed to do that to get to full staffing and police and get competitive in terms of our pay and retaining people in a very

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inflationary environment. So, you know, and even with all that spending, we're still trending at under four. Was it 4% or four and a half percent? Four and a half percent. So, >> broken bridge. >> Yeah. But it's but it's so it's not like, you know, I you know, we're not I

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was on TV on Thursday. I'm like I want to understand where these like you know wild and crazy times are happening. They're not happening in South Miami. So, you know, kudos to Alfredo, Sam who've been here, you know, a long time and the rest of the staff for kind of keeping, >> you know, the uh the controls on growth

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and um but I think it would be helpful to share that historical information with our residents so they know what's been happening and uh certainly think there's a conversation to have about, you know, it's not cataclysmic, right? This is not going to, you know, undermine our operations in the near

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term. And we are fortunate that we've in some ways limited the amount of growth we've had here for the last 20 years because we'll see a good bump in advorum because of the growth that we'll be able to harness now. But I do worry about what happens a decade from now. If we do have an environment where we're capped

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at 3% of, you know, residential growth and 5% of commercial growth, that blended average does not make for good math in terms of structural budget balance. Um, because we got to pay people to stay, right? And we got to have insurance costs that are going to

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rise and there will be inflation at some level, right? Maybe not the level we've experienced recently. I think it's all a conversation we should have. And at the end of the day, you know, I certainly do not. We know how hard it is to get money to Tallahassee that we can use, but we don't like really really really need. I

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mean, you know, um I cannot imagine having to go up there every year to ask in hand to fund our police department or, you know, our land development department. It's just, you know, it's our parks for Christ's sake, right? That's uh would be a tough position for

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all of us to be in to kind of make that work if that's how we end up making it work. And the numbers, you know, God bless the governor, but his math is for a guy went to Harvard, his math is very, very bad. Yeah. No, I mean, and I say this because $3.8 8 million billion

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dollars. Yes, we'll have a surplus in fiscal year 27, but the projected deficit, it's not my math. It's the estimating conference at the state is 7 billion in 20 fiscal year 28 and 10 billion in fiscal year 29. So where is the money going to come

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from? Right? And again, because they have their own financial challenges. I'm not doing it to be critical. It's just I want like we should have a conversation about this stuff. We can all look at other governmental units and there are some spending that we all recognize is out of control and some people have been flapping around pretty good because of

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it and deservedly so, but that's not the reality for everyone. And so, frankly, I you know, and um to staff, congrats on what you've done historically here. It's really you've made miracles with very little like really squeezed every ounce

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of um juice out of this lemon, right? Um, and uh, you know, hopefully we're not facing those kind of times again, but we'll deal with what we got to deal with. >> Good thing we fixed the bridge. >> Good thing we fixed the bridge. Yeah,

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exactly. >> We are journ. Thank you guys.