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Part 1 (Video ID: y2zC2ZaUlJc):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Opening, ANR Discussion Introduction - Floric Property
- 00:01:48: Open Space Committee Explanation: Floric Conservation Parcel
- 00:04:33: Board Questions: Boundary Line Agreements and Clarifications
- 00:06:25: Closing Details: Boundary Dispute Resolution Discussion
- 00:07:42: Motion on Boundary Clarification, State Land Approval
- 00:09:53: Motion on Boundary Line and Fee Waving Approved
- 00:10:37: Finalizing Details, Amended ANR and Fee Waiver Discussion
- 00:12:53: Motion: Waive the Fee, Final Map Request, Approval
- 00:14:05: Bista Orchards Site Plan Change Request Introduction
- 00:15:17: Blue Wave Energy Explains Diminimus Solar Array Changes
- 00:17:16: Description of increased work area for solar array
- 00:19:35: Motion to approve solar array diminimous changes
- 00:20:28: Cell Tower Application, Energy Storage, Disturbance Issues
- 00:23:53: Building Permit Rejection, Disturbance Acreage Issues
- 00:26:37: Battery Storage Updates, Confirmation Meeting Date
- 00:27:46: Near Map Service, Aerial Imagery Tools Discussion
- 00:29:48: Vacation Plans, Upcoming Meeting Agenda Items, Adjournment
- 00:31:39: Motion to Adjourn, Funny closing Remarks


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than our local cable subscribers. All right. Now, I've got 705. So, now there's nobody else in the waiting room. I'm going to officially open up the U planning board meeting for the town of Southampton. Uh, May 6, 2026. I have a forum present.

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Mark Darnold, Paul Fergal, myself, Paul Demon, Jim Lee is unavailable, and uh we are also televised on East Stamp Media channel 191. And our first order of business tonight

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is uh an ANR. Um it was actually submitted by Mark Casses from the Open Space Committee, but it's being conveyed to the uh town of Southampton by Jeffrey and Carolyn Floric at 156 for Home Palmer Road. And

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Mark is here tonight to uh represent the open space committee and give us some background about what they're up to. So, um, should I start? >> Yeah, go ahead, Mark. >> I'm going to try to share the,

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um, >> the plan. Please do because it might be a little bit of a time before I get it up. >> Um, sorry, I'm just trying to uh, can people see this? >> Yep. Okay, I'm >> good for everybody.

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I'm I'm just trying to get a full size. Sorry. >> Um, so the um just a background is the town had approached the Floric family when

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they were thinking about taking part of this parcel out of 61A and asked if they'd be willing to sell some of the back property to the town for conservation purposes. After a couple discussions, they were willing to do that. We got an appraisal and got the

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town to approve through the CPA, Open Space Committee, Conservation Commission, and then a town vote to use CPA funds of 34% of a total grant with 66% from the state land grant program to

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purchase this parcel. If we're going to do this, it has to be finished by June 30th of 2026. And um this is the survey for the property and it requires as I understand it uh approval not uh required

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determination by the planning board because it takes uh two parcels and combines them and then the some of the parcels in the upper leftand corner were broken off of uh the larger parcel. So, um, forgive me. Uh, I don't Can you see

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my arrow here or I don't know if that shows up. >> Yes. Yeah. >> So, in this area, um, there's a three acre parcel that's owned by the Florox that is, uh, that has been combined into this. Um

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and uh originally only this parcel was taken out in the past and it's owned by the um a daughter of the family and the family is planning to keep this parcel and this parcel for development probably for family members and the parcel the

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larger parcel that says parcel 3 is what would be uh being um conveyed to the town for conservation purposes and we'll have a conservation restriction um uh held by Kestrel Land Trust with the town

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owned by the through the conservation commission. Um so uh I don't know exact process for how you determine what ANR, but it's basically two parcels that were put together. Uh there's not being um any further subdivision. They've just

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taken out uh these two building lots out of what was previously on the parcel. >> Pretty straightforward. Any questions from the board, Mark or Paula? >> Uh, just a curiosity question on on the right hand side. The boundary line uh is

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recommended to I mean a boundary line agreement is recommended along this line. I'm not sure if I've seen that on a Thank you. So, um, the plan is to both get a bound the the family's lawyer is

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working with Barry Surl, who's on the west side, and with, uh, Charlie Fish, who's on the east side, to get a a a boundary agreement um, uh, finalized before this goes through. And that's in progress. We don't expect a problem with

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that. Um, the one piece that's tricky here is the lowest I'm sorry, I'm going to bring this up. this parcel here, there's a oneacre parcel here that's pretty much underwater that's owned by a family that's in Ohio. Um, and it's been

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hard communicating with them and and it's um I don't think it affects the value of the property at all, but that's uh maybe a little harder to get the boundary agreement written up in a rapid time frame. But these are all old deeds

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that go back a long time. So getting exact um determination especially since some of the markers are underwater the original markers are underwater. So that's why it's written that way. And then there was I think both the three acres that were originally part of um

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own partially owned by Flor with a separate uh book and page uh listing and there's a twoacre that's owned by the town which is uh here and then there's this one acre that's owned by a family

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um in Ohio. Brian Murphy is the name. Does that answer adequately? >> Yeah, I think so. Yes. >> All right. So, I have a question then. So, if you're going to close on this in June, does that boundary dispute have to be

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resolved before then before you uh buy it or convey it and have it recorded >> or is it just going to be an easing? >> Your question is right on target. Um I Scott um town administrator and I met

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with Katie Klein the town's lawyer today to go over language of the purchase and sales and and look at this issue. I spoke to the person who runs the land grant program and we um and I know the Florex lawyer is working on the two boundary agreements. We need

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to pin this down and I don't um there's some stuff that I'm sorting out that just sort of came up today. So, uh it's a good question. We are working pardon on that. >> Paul, you got any comments?

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>> Other than nothing. >> Um given that, do you want to anyone want to make a motion to endorse that um with a caveat about that? Um boundary question

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just point of clarification. How how do you want to phrase that boundary clarification? I mean how does that how do we say that? >> Well, Mark, this isn't Mark Casses. This isn't going to be resolved before you uh

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close then, right? Well, um it's one of the issues I'm trying to sort out between this the state and our town lawyer about whether we can get a a title certification that meets the state requirements. Um so, uh I'm hoping that

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we get it clarified >> and if you don't then the boundary lines remain as is >> um >> shown on the map. >> Yes. >> All right. So Paul, to answer your question, maybe we uh we endorse it

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provided that the uh legal um town representatives in the state can agree upon that. Um and if not, it reverts to the original plan that we're looking at tonight. I'd like to make a motion to endorse the

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plan as as shown. >> Right. >> I'm sorry, Paul. Say that again. >> No, as shown. And >> Yes. Yes. Yes. And uh with the condition

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that the town um receives approval from the state on the land uh parcel uncertainty as as identified

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uh by the boundary line um on the plan on the on the east side of the project or the pro property as shown on the plan. >> All right, the motion is made. Do we have a second? >> I'll second it.

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>> All right, the motions were made by Paul, seconded by Mark. All in favor? Mark? >> Yes. >> Paul? >> Yes. >> Myself? Yes. So, that's endorsed. And

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um Mark, when you get that finally approved or straightened out, no matter which way it goes, would you please send a um final version of that? Um >> yep. >> And I'll put put it with your application

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>> and absolutely. Do you folks need to sign the myar uh for final submission to the uh registered deed? So >> I do. What is uh what's the best way to do that once we have >> I can probably meet with you at town hall. Um

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>> okay so we can email each other. >> I have um two other issues. One is if this is through all this negotiation with the town lawyer and the state decision to cut out um formally cut out portion down the in the lower right hand

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corner. Does that need to come back through for an ANR with the current language >> the the vote that you took? So, if we cut out an acre or so at the bottom uh uh the parcel,

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>> it probably should be amended. Uh don't you think Mark and Paul that it should be amended for that that uh parcel also or that piece? I hate to say I guess uh but that would be my uh my recommendation.

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>> Okay. Thank you. The last piece that I had spoken with Paul about the issue of the fee to the family. Normally there's I understand $125 fee. This is a project that was started by the town for conservation purposes and I brought the

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issue up to Paul and then to the select board about whether the fees can be waved since it's actually a town project and uh it sounds like the select board didn't know what to do with that and they suggested it. Um, it's something that I I need to speak to Paul and may

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have to be addressed by you folks and um, uh, if if we have to, we'll get the fee paid. But, um, well, yes, as I told you, I said uh, I don't have any money in my budget. You don't have any much in yours, and the town doesn't

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have any money. So, uh, instead of swapping dollars in town apartments that don't have much money, I think I would take the amendment to wave the fee since it's, uh, since it's town purchased property.

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Do I have any um motion on that? >> I I will motion that we uh go to U V for this AR. >> Second, >> wave the V. Sorry. All in favor?

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>> All in favor? Mark? Yes. >> Yes. >> Paul? >> Yes. >> Myself? Yes. >> So, one last motion here. We will make a motion then that once this is all finalized,

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whether it's the proposed boundary agreement or the small parcel down in the souththeast corner, we get a U map that um definitive in the final

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plane >> motion. Uh, so moved. >> Second. >> All in favor? All in favor? Paul. >> All I >> Mark >> I. >> So I

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>> And if it's okay, just to clarify, if there's not a change from this, you don't need any additional information. If there's a change you want, >> if it stays as is, you're fine. If not, then just resubmit. And uh, >> thank you very much. >> I appreciate it. Thank you, Mark.

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>> Thank you so much. Yeah, >> appreciate it. >> Can you stop sharing? >> Yep. I'm I should say I'm working on that. Stop. Yes, I got it. >> Very good. Thank you. >> Our second agenda item is uh

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for Bista Orchards um minor change in the site plan um by Blue Wave Energy. I see that Mike and Z is here tonight. Um probably going to explain it a little bit. Um and I consulted with uh Richard

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Harris, our board consultant. He believes that the uh site plan change is dimminimous but still requires our approval upon hoping that the change in the plan going forward. So Michael, can you

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unmute yourself and Yes. Can you hear me? Okay. >> Yeah. Go ahead, Michael. >> Great. Yeah. So, Mike Zeian, uh, Blue Wave, uh, project director, um, on behalf of Blue Meadow Brook LLC. So,

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this, um, project is at 160 East Street at, um, Bashista Orchards, landowner TCB Fruits LLC. We had, um, approval for site plan review and special permit back in December. uh 20th, 2023. And as we

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are now finalizing project details for um a building permit submission this year, we had some revisions to the plans and had submitted a memo to uh the board back in March with with the details um on that. So, but at a high level, um

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just wanted to hit on what they are and I can share my screen in a second to um show in uh a plan what it is. But, um the the main change is um um the raid layout um slight adjustment due to solar

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module market availability. We had um one module um that was originally, you know, proposed for the the project back in 2023. Uh right now we're looking to procure uh module Ryzen 540 watt um and

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because of the the wattage difference and just the structure um width dimensions etc of the array um we had to optimize the design a little bit um further with that change. So

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I'll share my screen here and you All right. Can you see this? Great. >> So, the and I'll zoom in here, but the red outlines are the kind of increase in the limit of work area that we had. um

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still in compliance with the setbacks um from the uh budding lines, but um so we basically extended the ray a bit um to the southern end here. Um and then um just to ensure

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uh no shading uh would occur, you know, during the operation of the ray and there's no tree buildup in the side. Um we have that extended down um to the bottom here with a proper setback. the that's the main change and again it's um

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submitted as a minor modification we see it as a dimminimous change um and that's it I can answer any questions but um let me know >> you also had in your letter U Michael that you um

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included a fence >> yes >> is that the purple >> uh Nope. So the fence is you can see the small white circles and the white line. >> Oh yeah. >> Um yeah. So the purple would be the the

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limit of work, you know, be sedime sedimentation control barriers on that side there. So it goes along the the border here kind of. >> Gotcha. Okay. Um,

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and it still didn't infringe outside the original work area of the original permit. Correct. >> Um, >> or get any closer to any of the abuing properties. >> It it didn't know. So, it's again

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down here, right? Previously, it was up a little bit. You can see at this line. Mhm. >> Um but it's still it's no closer than you know this side that was that was here. Right. So kind of it's just lined up. >> Right. >> And then similar this is just

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straightened out on this side. >> Any questions from the board? >> Mark or Paul? >> Pretty straightforward. And they think the uh cleared newly cleared areas are still out of line of sight from any uh

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any butters. >> Oh yeah. >> No questions from me. Paul >> hearing none. Do I have a motion to approve the dimminimous changes for the u

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solar Now it solar east street at the bisha and Richards. I >> like I'd like to make a motion to approve the dimminimous changes at uh as

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shown on the plans. >> You have a second. >> I'll second that. >> Motion's been made and seconded. All in favor? Mark? >> Yes. Paul? >> Yes. Myself? Yes.

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Okay, Michael, I will uh send you out the notice by email and I'll copy the building inspector on the other hill and um you've got to you've got to break ground before the end of the year for a year of permit expires.

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Correct. >> Correct. Yeah, that's our plan. It would expire December 20th 26. Yep. So, um, we've been busy this year making progress along and so, um, when we have line of sight of potential build

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building permit date, we can drop you a note. But yeah, that's our our plan to break down before end of of the year. >> Okay. >> Very good. Thank you. >> Thank you. Nice. In other business, I received after the

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uh agenda was posted a letter a couple weeks back at a meeting we had um or maybe it was a month ago for for that matter now. Uh we received the application for the cell tower that

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proposed cell tower at the one crook road and um proposed by Atlantic Wireless Committee and the plans have come forward. I don't think I've sent them to

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you yet, but um they have all their applications and peer reviews in order and requesting it to start. So given that they're going to open a public hearing for that cell tower on June 3rd,

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you know, we'll go from there. But that's the um the most current thing on the agenda. And at our next meeting on May 20th, we have the battery energy storage uh draft which Richard Harris is

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working on and u we will discuss that before that goes to public hearing and make any changing or additions to regions whatever. So, that is in the works.

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And I believe that's it. On another note, uh we received the building permit uh recently and I had to reject it and I was in discussions with Ron Warren.

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There was no plan showing the area of disturbance. So I looked it up and I had thanks to Paul Fagal and his software and had him look over the site because it appeared from the GIS I was looking at which I don't know how old it was on

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the town site there more than an acre of disturbance there. Paul um looked at it and came up with like 27,000 square feet but there was like 30,000 square feet that we couldn't

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identify. Could you just uh expound on that a second, Paul? Yeah, it's hard to tell and I haven't visited the site to understand what's out there, but um based on some aerial photography,

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it was difficult to assess what the real breakdown was of what was disturbed as in ground soil movement, excavation or moving of soil versus area that was

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um tree cut uh versus, you know, it was hard to tell based on the aerial. So, um it it's possible that there's a lot um there's over an acre of disturbance,

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soil disturbance at the site. Um but it's it's hard to tell without really visiting and understanding what's out there. Um, I had a conversation with the applicant. I'm not going to mention the

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names of the address, but um, it's it's kind of disappointing sometimes that people don't uh, vote to the building inspector or look up uh, things online when it comes to zoning and building. Well, this this

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person had no idea that we had requirements. So I said, "Well, number one, I couldn't approve it because we didn't have a a plot plan so we could verify the one that was a legal lot and whatever in the area of disturbance."

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And he said he didn't have one because he purchased the land from one of the neighbors up there and the only thing he had was from 30 or 50 years ago. So, um, he's kind of starting from scratch now. When I I spoke with John Lauren, you

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know, he said we could do something better about the systems to build people start to excavate and I even went as far as to get in contact with Randy Kemp at the highway department because he had to have got a curb cut number one to make

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the drive in that he had and thought maybe if we could get something on the angle site about warning people like yeah, you got a curve before you do some excavating and go play the throttle, you might want to

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check into some kind of regulation for a few. So, it's just communication and trying to streamline the system so people can understand the fact this poor guy he had

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no clue that what he had to go through. He he had sublimated house plans and everything else, but he's he's got some work for other unfortunately. So that's where that is. Otherwise, I don't have any other business. I noticed

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that you had some other people here earlier that I think you might have wanted to know about the best storage and see what the meeting waiting for me

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to confirm that at least 38 of his and maybe maybe Jeff is I know Jeff's name is not up there but I see a number but I think that Jeff do you have anything to say Jeff? You want to unmute yourself? have anything to say?

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Oh, you don't know how to >> Oh, wait a minute. Oh, myself. I don't know. >> Well, you can join me if you don't know how because I don't either. >> Yeah, I'm clueless. But no, that's about all we wanted to find out about. So, we're good. >> Yeah, we're we're good to go for May

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20th when we set up that last. >> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Very good. Anything else from Paul or Mark which you want to >> how do we >> discuss before you provide the abandonment?

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>> What's that? Thanks again Paul for doing that. >> No glad I uh got it to >> that fly over. I like that. That was that was pretty good. But uh >> yeah it's called near mapaps. Um, Mark,

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have you ever worked with the near map? >> Um, I'm not sure. >> So, it's a private uh aerial subscription service that has um also perspective

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uh flyover shots as well. So, angled shots and so you can see um from different angles and they fly several times a year. I mean, several almost quarterly depending where you are, but uh it's much fresher than anything you

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would find on Google Maps or Bing or any of those other um services that are out there. >> And then what's a formula by the shot we take that comes up with the dimensions?

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Well, what we do is we we import it um at scale um to a CAD program that uh we can digitize areas based on um the coordinates that that are given

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off it. So, it gives us a a high degree of of of confidence terms of uh what what we can come up with areas and distances. So, they're fairly accurate. Good question. Yeah, I think Keith um many many years ago Keith was joining the

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deal with me had an issue with I mean I do something famous that appreciated something he was >> Yeah, it's it's it's there's a lot of tools out there as long as you're willing to pay. >> Yeah.

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Well, my friends, I I don't want to hopefully if you've got vacation plans or you're going to be out of town, keep in mind the belief going forward is because it looks like you're going to pay for the last six months of not

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having any meeting several things on our plates and they may be, you know, if we can't we can't get a form or whatever, you may have them. But nevertheless, we'd have to open them up and tell some of them we could delay because we got 65 days.

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We started hearing once the applications for the event to leave are good. But also I think if you remember from the last meeting that Richard Harris is not going to be available to at all in May, no June from

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what I understand and he's going to be somewhat not available in July. So, we'll have to work around it. But if you have any idea of when you're going to be out of town, if you could forward that to me and I'll get a hold of J so I can

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hopefully um try to work around me because all these planning fail. I don't think any of them are three cities, but then we might have another village under

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there's a young live. So we might have those words. I appreciate your time. I know I'm not going to hold you but if you have good gift then you're going to be next

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season. So given that I entertain a motion to do >> like to make a motion to adjourn. >> I need to briefly you're so quick with that.

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>> But I'll second it just as quickly. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all these years on a board, Paul. You know, it's quick quick to draw. >> I don't know. When Jim comes back, he might he might have to beat Jim out

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because he he was quick. All in favor? I >> have a good week, guys. >> All right. Thank you, Paul. Thank you, Paul. In a couple of weeks hopefully we can start on that new draft and go from

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there. I'll send you information together. But I think you've got the gist of what's going on and since you're out of information on it. So >> yeah, >> the Yeah, I think the next meeting we don't want to have two marks and two Pauls on the same meeting again. A little confusing.

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>> Yeah, that's it's >> like what's that? Uh what's that uh '8s movie with uh Chevy Chase and Dan Akroyd? You know, when they walk in and they say, "Hey, doctor. Hey, doctor." You know, you know, >> it's going to be like, "Hey, Mark. Hey,

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Paul. Hey, Paul. Hey, Mark." Well, I'm glad we're going to meet in person uh going forward because I'll tell you one thing, we can't this this thing we got in front of us. >> We have to worry about because we need to leave.

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>> All right, guys. Take care. >> All right. Good night. >> All right. Good night. >> Then our local cable subscribers