This government meeting is brought to you by Eastworks and our local cable subscribers. Okay, let us call to order the meeting of the Southampton Select Board for October 28th at about 6:02 and we have
Steven, myself, uh, Ellen via via Zoom and John should be coming momentito, but let us stand and say the pledge of allegiance, please. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thanks. All right. Okay. So, we were due to have a poll hearing at 6:05
um with NSTAR or known as Eversource Energy. Uh if you would just check and make sure they're not lost to be sure they're here. When we set a time for a hearing, we need to try and respect that. Unless they don't show up, then we will move on. Okay. Um so, give us a
minute. Nobody. Okay. All right. So, I think we're going to have to postpone the idea of the um the poll hearing, which was going to be for a house uh service on a new customer on
116 East Street and future service to 118 East Street. Um you folks are here representing one of those two houses. Is that correct? Or >> 118. >> 118. Okay. Um I think what we'll end up doing, we'll just have to contact Ever. I'm surprised
they're not here. So, we'll contact them and try to get on the agenda for the next meeting, which will be November 10th, >> which is actually Monday night. Uh, normally we meet on Tuesday, but next Tuesday will be a holiday. So, or that Tuesday would be a holiday. So, we're going to meet on Monday night the 10th instead. Um, so just watch out for that.
But, um, you can check in with with Scott here at town hall or leave us your your email if you want. We'll just make sure that you know that there is the hearing if it's on the agenda. If you want to just just jot down your email on something here. Here's a piece of paper on the back of this if you'd like to.
>> No, we're not opening the >> Oh, we didn't leave. >> We're not even opening the hearing >> anymore. So, yeah. >> Sorry about that. Thanks for coming out. >> That's kind of unusual that they don't show up. They're the ones that they requested it. So, >> yeah. So,
>> okay. So, we will aim to check with them and get this on the agenda for the November 10th meeting. Okay. same time, six o'clockish thereabouts. Okay, thanks. Okay, so with that, let's go to citizen speak. I take it we have some people here for citizen speak tonight. Uh so who would like to go first? Okay,
go ahead. Stand up and at the podium and give your name and address and go for it. >> Good evening. Martha is a Golden Circle. >> Sorry Martha, maybe pull that down. There you go. Thank you. We good. >> I think so. Probably. Okay. Years ago, I
served on the town council in southern New Jersey, a rural town of about 25,000 people. We bought open space freely, believing it was right until the debt caught up with us. The town nearly went bankrupt. The
state warned it would step in if we didn't act. Citizens approved a 30% tax increase just to keep basic services running. What had been one of South Jerseys most desirable communities saw property values drop, the police force
cut in half, and services outsourced. That experience taught me how good intentions can turn into long-term debt. Southampton's changing, and many feel the strain of higher property taxes, new fees, and rising cost. Recently, the
town purchased 52 acres for a public safety complex and other community uses. With around 2 and a.5 million in outstanding debt, we should re-examine what's practical and consider selling the unused portion to reduce cost and
bring in new commercial ratables. We can refocus our plan on a smaller efficient public safety complex that meets our needs and allows the select board to set clear financial boundaries not to exceed $15 million for the entire
project. as a suggestion or begin with a new fire station with the intention of phasing in a police station as funds allow again within conservative financial parameters. With the 2.5 million donation, we could
modernize the existing senior center, opening the layout, eliminating interior walls and the outdated kitchen, adding movable soundproof partitions, and updating the Havoc system and lighting to make it more welcoming without the
heavy cost of new construction. Overflow parking could be added behind the old fire station. By improving what we already have and using funds already in hand, we can meet real needs, limiting new borrowing and strengthen
the town's finances. We also need to rebuild public trust, and that begins with clear communication. Before any new capital projects go to town meeting, the town should implement and share a 5 to 10year capital spending
plan with cost and priorities. A one-page fiscal summary mailed with the next tax bill perhaps and posted online would give everyone the same facts. Thank you for listening, for your service to the town, and for keeping an
open mind as we work towards balanced practical solution. Let's give this town a reason to believe and a reason to vote yes with confidence. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Martha. All right. Very good. Next. >> Hello, Reinie Groden and Cheryl Lane.
I'm here also to talk about the public safety building committee and the building complex. And I'm urging the select board to not accept the nom uh recommendation from the public safety building committee. I can understand how discouraged this committee is. I know
there have been people on this committee that have been on this committee for a very very long time and I think that this is the second time that a vote went to the citizens and they uh voted it down. It's the third time we've
purchased land uh for the intention of uh the public safety complex or an emergency building. And um I just want to remind the committee that a tremendous amount of uh progress was made this time around. As discouraging as it is, the first time around the
historical society was against knocking down the uh old fire station. Uh this time uh there's plenty of land that was bought to be able to have a public safety complex and it was also a sizable donation that was received. So, I think
the committee deserves a tremendous amount of uh congratulations on all the incredibly hard work that they did, but I don't know what the charge currently of the public safety building committee is. I don't know if the select board has a more recent copy, but I'm not even sure that the recent vote that they took
is consistent with the charge from the select board. Uh I can't stay unfortunately for the presentation. So, I'm sort of preempting uh their vote, which I watched, and basically it's to move forward with only a fire station. I don't think that they ever looked at what the people in Southampton actually
want. I don't I didn't hear a single person say after the vote, uh they should only just do a fire station. I think that I agree that the price tag was prohibitive for a lot of people in town, but I don't think we should throw out everything. I think there should be
a pause on this particular committee. We are in terrible financial times. It reminds me of 2020 when every department was cut 3%. I think we have to just pause a committee uh come up with a new charge by the select board, see if we can recruit new members, thank the
people that were on the committee that feel like they need to rotate off and do a little bit more work to um bring in more people and to um decide what is in the best interest of Southampton. You can't make decisions solely on finances or you're going to be doomed. I think
you have to make decisions on what's in the best interest of Southampton. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Next. >> My name is Anne Bowman and my address is 202 Pomememoroy Meadow Road. My concern tonight is about the public safety
complex. I think that Southampton needs a public safety complex. I understand that both the fire department and the police department are h are housed in less than adequate adequate facilities. I think this is to the detriment of all
residents of Southampton. I also understand that the fire department's needs are of more concern than the needs of the police department. However, I think that the residents of Southampton need adequate facilities for
both departments. I support a public safety complex for Southampton. Southampton has already waited too long for this. I would like to thank the public safety building committee and the select board for their hard work and
dedication to our town. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. >> Hi, excuse me. Bruce Bowman, 202 Pomroy Meadow Road. Um, I uh just want to express my support of the uh public
safety building committee. Um, I also want to uh express my support for a building that um can adequately do the job and not having an artificial cap be placed on it without uh assessing what
are the needs that need to go into that building. Um uh anyway, I look forward to um let me take that back. Um hopefully the um building committee uh
can continue uh possibly with a new charge. Um they've put in a lot of work and it's something that the town needs. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Anyone else? Open time. Public speak.
Welcome, John. All right, if that's the end of that, we will close open time for the public. All right, moving on to the actual agenda. Um, John, for your information, Eversource did not show up, so we did not do the public uh sorry, the poll
hearing. Uh, we'll put it off until November 10th and assuming that they come at that point in time. Um, we have two appointments, I believe, tonight. Um, hold on. I can pull these up. Come on.
>> If you will. >> Yeah, you have it handy. Go ahead. >> There actually three. >> Okay. There's one uh >> but the details are different. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Yep. >> Uh the first one is an appointment to the housing authority. Sharon Tilby, a new appointment until the next election
on May 19, 2026. >> Okay. And you want to read just a little bit or about her background a little bit? She's wrote a letter into me. You don't um >> had some issues. >> So uh let's see. So Sharon Tilby's had been a longtime resident in town, had
moved away for work over time. Um but has been back in town uh for a number of years. She's been very much a health care professional for most of her life here down in Florida. uh and uh she basically would like to volunteer to
help out the town and uh she's been working currently as a volunteer coordinator for East East Hampton Neighbors which is a nonprofit serving East Hampton seniors. Um and so she's served on the board there and has been back in Southampton since 2021. So she's
put forth her name to be on the housing authority and according to the chair of the housing authority, she's attended a few of the meetings and is aware of what the housing authority does. So, I can vouch for that. >> All right. So, we have a motion on the table. Could I have a second on that? >> Second. >> All right. Uh, all those in favor, we'll
do a roll call vote given that Ellen is uh remote tonight. So, all those in favor, Ellen, I'll start with you. >> Okay. Uh, can't hear you. Uh, no. I saw you, but I didn't hear you. There's no volume. Scott >> Johnson. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Fat. Okay, that one passes. Thank you very much. Uh so Sharon, if you're listening, uh you will get an appointment letter from uh the town administrator's assistant and you will need to come to the town clerk's office to get sworn in before you could attend another uh housing authority meeting than have a voting privilege. Okay.
>> In order to vote. Great. >> The meetings are open to all. >> So next one. >> Uh next one is also for the housing authority. Uh Joy Piper, a resignation effective October 23, 2025.
>> Second. >> All right. >> Joy has served in many roles in this community and recently uh on the housing authority, but I think family commitments uh limit her engagement and
um the next appointment involves joy as well. >> No, let's let's take one let's do the resignation first. You don't think that people have the agenda in front of them? Okay, it is one by one. >> First, she has to resign from the housing authority effective October 23,
2020. >> We have a resignation on the table and a second. All those in favor? >> I >> I >> Johnson I >> lumber I. >> Ellen, >> you're muted, Ellen. Sorry, raise your hand. I'll take that.
>> And thirdly, um, again, motion passes. Hang on. Okay, we'll figure out that that >> sound thing because we're going to need Ellen's input here. >> Joy Piper, a new appointment to the board, the affordable housing trust,
>> a two-year term to expire June 30th, 2027. >> Okay. All right. All uh second, please. >> Second. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> I Johnson I >> FS I
uh I see Ellen's mouth moving, but I don't hear any volume. So, uh I'm not sure what's going on there. All right, that motion passes. Thank you very much. Well, we'll take all those appointments. So, two appointments on resignation and the same thing. Joy knows the ropes, I think, to come in and
get sworn in. Okay. I think that gives us a feedback there if you do that. I don't know. >> Can't hear you, Ellen. No. >> East media if you would. But, um, let's, uh, let's go ahead and jump to reports, though. Um,
>> Scott, would you like to give us your town administrator report, please? Uh, yep. Um, so we have uh a few good pieces of news. We received a grant uh thanks to the hard work of uh a lot of different committees, the grant committee, a lot
of volunteers of uh 99,000 uh dollars from the Executive Office of Energy, Environmental Affairs uh for the Parkland Acquisitions and and Renovations Communities Grant. Um that's going to be used to um facilitate the
construction of a um walking path and a use the term splash pad, although I know it's outdated. >> Spray deck is what they call it now. >> Exa. Exactly. So, um the other thing is that uh the town received a grant for $281,000
uh for the Alder Pond Conservation Area Project uh by again the EOA. Um yesterday, I attended a Zoom meeting with the Lieutenant Governor uh the Western Massachusetts state delegation and other member communities of uh Hampshire County Group Insurance Trust. Um they were seeking some input uh as to
how they could be helpful uh during this health insurance crisis as well as to share some news uh on some pending legislation uh that's coming up that could impact the the towns positively. Um we also had a kickoff meeting last week for the um uh Southampton project
stay cool um which would be to uh have community engagement and outreach um with the goal of also um establishing a cooling center cooling and heating center in Southampton. Um and then I uh also attended the stand meeting last
week um where we had presentations from Deborah Deborah Wagner from uh DLS as well as uh some facility managers and some um of our insurance reps from Maya uh to discuss ways um that we can uh reduce risk and uh better take care of
our facilities. >> And for those listening, your STAM meeting is your town administrator. >> Yeah, small town administrators. >> Small town administrators group. Okay. All right. Good. Yes. So we have some some good news. We're getting some grant money in at least from the state. We're not hearing anything from the feds, but uh we do have some state money coming in
which is good. So, good. All right. Uh any questions for Scott on the on his report? If not, we'll move on to select board reports. Okay. Uh John, you have anything off hand? >> Nothing. >> All right. Stephen, anything from your
committees? >> Uh no, not anything from my committees. >> Okay. Uh, I think we lost Ellen alto together. Okay. Um, think she's gone off. Yeah, Scott. Okay. All right. Uh, just from my end, uh, we
had a bylaws review advisory committee meeting yesterday. We're working on a couple of bylaws. Uh, one on just uh, delineating more the responsibilities of the finance committee. Uh, and then uh, we're still working on the scenic roads bylaw. That one's still taking a while
to get ironed out. It's very um very um not so much complicated, but there's a lot of pieces to it that have to get in the right order. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense. So, we're working on those two bylaws. And then tomorrow we have a grant committee meeting uh at 1:00 on
Zoom and we will then also tomorrow evening have the first uh affordable housing trust meeting. So, this housing trust was set up a couple of years ago in our bylaws and at town meeting, but we have taken a while to recruit members who are really qualified and interested
to be on that. And so, we have now with Joyy's appointment, that will be four people out of five. And so, we were having our first meeting on tomorrow night for that. So, those are those various committees that are happening. And I think that's all that I have from my end. And Ellen is back. Okay,
Ellen, do you have any news from any of your committees? Have you had any committee meetings that you've attended? Not sure if we can hear you, but you can try. I'm thinking she's not even hearing us. Ellen, are you hearing us at all? No, this doesn't look possible. How
about um coming in on her phone, Scott, or something? the connection with East Hampton Media because these are supposed to be paused or these are supposed to be muted. >> Okay. >> But it looks like I don't think it's working
>> as far as votes go. She could always text it or put it in the chat. >> Yeah, I was trying to find the chat feature. >> Um, nope. We'll just we'll take her hand raising. Okay. So, Ellen, when we have a vote, we just Oh, she can hear us.
>> Raise your hand. She can hear us, but we can't hear her. >> Oh, frustrating. Okay. Technology. We love it some days. Thanks for trying and being in on the Zoom anyway. We'll get it into that some days. It's It's worked in the past, so I'm not sure what's going on, but all
right, let's keep on moving on the agenda. Um, we have some new business, so let's jump into that. Uh, Scott, first on the agenda, special town meeting update. Um, quickly, so just with the updated warrant, I know that we might want to uh think about moving the
uh closing date till the next meeting. We had some stuff that just came in in the last 24 hours. Um, just looking very quickly at the draft warrant. Um, the first part, and I'll distribute this, I'm just cleaning it up. The next day or two, I'll distribute this to all the select board. >> Um, but Brad and I, we worked on
cleaning up the financial transfers for the health insurance for this fiscal year. Um, it would be 150 from operating, 125 from capital. Uh, there's some leftover interest from the ambulance stabilization fund, and it' be $50,000 from the highway. That would
bring us to about $330,000. That should cover the majority of um at least the active employees insuranceances. Um, >> does that include the Medicare increase in January? >> No. >> Yeah. >> So, this is just to cover the increase that we were notified of in August. And it doesn't Yeah, it doesn't include
Medicare or and it doesn't include um Hampshire regional. >> Um we also have the uh transfer of funds for the conservation commissioner. We've updated that number. Uh the transfer of funds for the health agent has stayed the same as well. Um we have the um
appointment of the finance committee as well as possibly some other um things coming down regarding the finance committee. perhaps a uh um more thorough charge or responsibilities for our bylaws. Um we have the two uh mo articles about
the PQB and and uh reducing that and folding that into the select board officially. Um we have the uh the fee acquisition of the Transeri property which goes along with the grant that we just received. I'm sorry that's the other one. This is the one with the um the Kestrel. So, it
would be um $50,000 from the town and then that's that's only contingent on Castro obtaining and then transferring the $50,000 to the town. So, it's not going to I originally thought it was going to be $100,000, but it's actually going to be just the $50,000. >> $50,000 for the CO. Okay.
>> Mhm. Uh the next one is the uh the floor uh property. So, I have to remove the words contingent, but um we did receive the grant. Um, so we eliminated the other one that was going to um purchase at fe simple just outright without the grant. >> So this is the sorry this is the land
grant that we just received. >> Mhm. >> Yes. >> Local acquisitions of for natural diversity. Okay. >> Uh we have some unpaid accounts from previous fiscal years. And then we have um the park grant. Um, so I'm just working um w with the state just uh
there's a formal introduction on November 5th uh that I have to attend uh to go over this. Um but preliminary they're saying that we have to front the uh $150,000 first and find the funding source and then the reimbursement would
be up to 99,000 uh or 66% of that. So we'd have to we're going to have to look at finding, you know, potential funds uh that we could put onto the warrant. So, this is just placeholder language. >> Um, so it's going to take a little while. They do have to approve the language um for the warrant before um
the December one. So, we'll have that go through them. >> All right. And that language you've got in there is just some sample language. That's not Southampton language. >> No. Yeah, definitely not. >> Okay. And just so everybody was clear, that's not there is no Smith Park in town. Okay. Good. Okay. And there may be one or two others coming. One at least
maybe depending on uh some work that Concom is doing or CPC. Um, so there may be another one coming in. >> Yep. Um, we sent out the emails a couple days ago just to remind people to get them in early. Um, and we haven't received anything back. So, >> I think with that, we ought to aim to
close these on our next meeting, November 10th. >> Close the warrant on November 10th would be that should give people enough time to finalize their anything that they've got to get in on the warrant so we can get it posted in time. Okay. Is that >> good with anybody? Can we just have a
motion to do that? close the warrant for November 10th because we were going to do it tonight originally. >> Move the closing date of the warrant to November 10th. Okay. >> Unless later changed. >> Okay. >> Second. >> All right. Thank you. All right. We'll try again. Ellen, all those in favor?
>> Lumber Eye. >> Johnson I. >> All right. I see a hand up there. De Bruin eye and Fowl's eye. Okay. Thank you very much. >> I don't know what's happening there. >> Quick question on Does this indicate anything about the sound? Oh, and that's
just the Wi-Fi. Yeah. Uh, ENT Media has us mute everything to prevent feedback and they take over the audio controls. >> Speak with an X usually means it's off. >> Yeah, they actually want us to do that. Yeah. Or it'll go feedback. >> Otherwise, we have echoes all over the room when they're doing this. Yeah. No, thank you. That That's true. Uh, all
right. Thanks. Um, so we will, uh, just so that people uh haven't forgotten, we do have a special town meeting. The word is getting out. I think we've had it posted in a couple of places already. Uh it's been an article I believe has been in the newspaper a little bit about that. It's going to be
on December 6th which is a Saturday at 10:00 at Norris School. Um and so hopefully people can plan their schedules accordingly and plan on attending. Okay. Next up, public safety building committee update.
Where's Ian? Are you the person? We have several members here. Uh >> two >> two. >> Yeah. >> Good evening. Ian Ellingsworth, uh police chief, also co-chair of the uh
public safety building committee. >> Last Monday, the uh committee uh voted on two motions. The first motion was to uh no longer proceed forward with the the uh HKT
design and build with the cost. And that motion was passed. The second motion was relative to how to proceed forward relative to a um fire department standalone building first. That motion
was passed with descending uh descending votes though >> and that's where we are right now with it. >> Right. Okay. So at this point in time I think one of the things that was mentioned by someone who spoke but also at that meeting right was about needing
a new charge. >> Yes. >> For the for the committee which I think as we looked at at the last meeting we have gotten to that level of what they were supposed to do at that point in time. So that will be a task that we will need to do. Mhm. >> Um but I think it would be good to have um
I think it would be good for the committee here, the board to hear get the minutes andor watch the video of the meeting so that you know we have a sense because not everybody I mean I've been there. It was recorded recorded. >> Yes. >> Um so there's a video already up on on
the town website um for that. >> Uh and then figure out how we want to to proceed because I know there were some long discussions. It took a long time to get the most. I mean yes it was you're being very very quick in terms of saying that but it must have taken at least five times to >> rephrase even even the language to get
it right. Um and that's partially because of me but there was a lot of discussion relative to how to proceed and it's an important discussion. >> Yeah. >> It was an important discussion. >> Okay. And my understanding was that the one of the main stumbling block was more the cost on the HKT.
>> That's correct. >> More so than the design per se but the cost prohibited >> cost. It was Yes. Exactly. That's what the discussion was generally about. >> Great. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Great. >> Anybody else from the committee who's here? Um >> Barry. Yeah, sure. You want to come on
up and say anything about your your point of view or anything? It's time for the committee if you would like to say something you'd like to sum it up pretty well. >> Okay. All right. So, what would you like the board to do at this point in time then? >> I think I think the board should give a
another charge, establish another charge. um and um go forward with with a charge from the select board as to how you want the committee to proceed or even just consider the the um uh
forming an entirely new committee having new members however the board feels fit. But we're at a we're as far as the feasibility study with HKT due to the cost. We didn't want to proceed any further as as a board that was as a committee that was unanimous
that we weren't we felt it wasn't uh appropriate to proceed further with that cost and and pursue that particular floor plan with the with the cost involved. >> Okay. Have we finished all of our contractual
obligations with HQ? >> I have not reached out to them. I haven't informed them. I wanted to >> get the results of this meeting from the select board and and direction from the select board to reach out to them to to let them know. As far as any invoicing, we don't have any outstanding invoicing,
but we have not uh as a committee or have notified HQT of our decision. >> Mhm. Okay. I wanted to wait until >> So there might still be a final invoice >> there. There there possibly could be. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Pending the uh any other contractual um agreements that we had that we we still
need to meet with them. >> Mhm. >> But that's the discussion I'll have with them. I just wanted to >> Mhm. >> get the board's direction, the select board's direction. >> Okay. And so the basically to not continue with
that particular design >> lar with a different option in the >> standalone fire station or continue with a smaller complex. Is that very
got a little confusing my understanding and anybody on the committee >> that's here wants to >> correct correct >> exactly what they are weren't prepared yet >> and but I believe was to
>> and correct correct you wrong to proceed with the standalone fire department that was the vote but there was dissenting a vote opinions on that. It was not a >> It was not >> with the um addition of the police >> with the addition phased in approach. >> Phased in approach. Yes. >> Was it expanded? Wasn't it
>> expandable? >> Yes. Right. Standalone fire department, but phased in police department. >> Cuz I know I I'll speak for myself personally. I voiced my concern about standalone fire station only. Not not negating the fact that I think we all kind of think that's the higher priority
of the two. But I firmly am behind the public safety joint building rather than just doing one thing and then assuming 5 or 10 years from now we're going to do a police station cuz I don't see that happening. I've been in this town too long. That will not happen. So let's stop kidding ourselves. If we don't make
something and commit ourselves to an expandable fire safety, public safety complex to include a police station. And I don't know how we make that solidified in terms of our intention. That's that's a tough one. But I think we are
fooling ourselves if we think we will just do the fire station and that will solve our problems because I think the police station equally needs our attention. So >> it certainly does need >> that was part of the dissenting vote and so >> yes that that was the >> don't take any discussion at this point in time. >> No, sorry.
>> Yeah. So I think that is that is part of the discussion that we had is like how to proceed and so I think that what we would like to do probably at some mostly our next meeting I guess on the 10th if we have a chance. Are you out of town? >> Oh boy. Okay. When are you back?
>> You certainly have the meeting without me but >> Well, I know but that's not >> I personally I mean I think the committee and I think the committee should inform HTK or HKT of what their votes were >> and they referred to the select board and then they can come to us if they have questions. But
>> beginning again, we're coming on two years. Where's our 5-year plan? >> I mean, we sent Bradley to the school >> and and the classes. They've got the reports. I know there's a lot of other things that are being worked on, but we need the 5-year capital. We need the 5-year forecasting. We need the capital plan. This this is not the only issue in
town that needs to be addressed. >> And to keep putting these issues up as a solo project >> is we're just going to keep repeating the same thing. So I I don't think we'll be ready by November 10th to have a conversation. >> Okay. >> To to make >> Well, we've got two meetings or the
other right around Thanksgiving time or the 1st of December, beginning of December. But we'd have to take it up. I mean, we've got to get going on a charge then if that's one thing that is recommended. So, I think we can be thinking about that and not, you know, I don't have any bright ideas about what a charge should consist of right now. Um, we can pick up
I can for I can send around the old one. Well, I guess the question is, are we are we still and I'm not asking this as a question for answers tonight, but at that meeting whenever we're going to discuss this, is this still the number one priority? >> Well, I got the impression it was.
>> From where? >> Well, in terms of doing a public safety building or fire station, yes, I think that's >> I don't after the last votes. I don't know if that's still accurate amongst the citizens >> because we haven't done anything. We we haven't gone back with any facts or figures or the reports or looking at the
big picture like we said we would. >> Well, I think we're going to be we're going to be getting there as we start talking about the various things that are going on in town. I mean, the health insurance is kind of taken over our lives right now. >> And that is, you know, dwarfing everything that we've got to do, whether it's fire station, police station, you
know, school, public safety, or I mean, uh, senior center, whatever. So that that >> you know is definitely a conundrum that we've got to solve and that's why we put everything kind of on hold >> so that we could deal with the insurance first and get >> and the other thing we have to deal with is the two notices from Mass DOT that
two of our bridges are going to be closed. >> Correct. Right. >> So I don't know. >> Yeah. >> It'd be hard to rank one through 10. >> Yeah. Well, and I think you know part of the capital planning I mean Scott I know you're putting together a capital plan with the department heads and that's
prim is it still primarily though that's more on the equipment side is it Scott or >> Yep. I can give you a quick preview. >> That's okay. I'm just so what what do you int anticipate that plan though to do? Is that over a fiveyear time 10 year time?
>> Uh it'll be over a focus on five but looking out to 10 years. >> Mhm. and is contingent on being able to borrow for a lot of these this equipment. Unfortunately, when when we look at the debt in our budget, all of our debt is from debt exclusions. So, when the debt comes off, we don't actually realize and are able to purchase more equipment from that debt.
It just goes away. So, our capital plan in the past has been wholly contingent on a percentages a percentage of our free cash being available each year or having a debt exclusion. And it's never actually been actually built into part of our budget. So, the idea is to um
look over the next 10 years and at least see when we might be able to absorb some of the debt as part of our budget so we can get some of these larger items. >> Mhm. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> But again, that's that's primarily all vehicles, >> right? >> What you're I mean, so yeah.
>> Um no, I mean heart monitors, portable, you know, jaws cutter, uh library sidewalks, >> right? But it's not it's not facilities is what John said, >> right? Yeah. It's not the other buildings. That's not I mean the bridges. >> Yeah. The unexpected things like the bridges and so forth, right? So that we've got to work on and some of that,
you know, I mean not to say that we're not going to look for grant money, but the grant money is getting scarcer and scarcer. We all know that much for sure, especially from the federal sources, which would be the likely source for some of these bigger infrastructure type projects. >> So, okay. Well, anyway, I I think at
this point in time, is anybody else from public safety want to say anything? Even Ian, are you done with what you said? Yeah. Okay. Anybody else? Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I know you came in late. Sorry. We didn't have our poll hearing tonight. It they didn't show up. So
>> Oh. Oh. Well, so I'm late and I don't know. Introduce yourself. Oh, excuse me. Christina Madson, 40 Rattle Hill Road, co-chair of public safety. Um, I'm sorry that I'm late and um, so I don't know
what has transpired and therefore >> you've just basically shared the vote with us right now in terms of recommending that we push aside and the HKT plan primarily because of cost and move forward with the next steps whatever those next steps are. Uh, giving priority to the fire station the
way I understand it but hoping to make it an expandable facility. >> Okay. So, um I will just say that there were two dissenting votes to the motion. I was one of them. Um
and I uh strongly believe that now over two feasibility studies over a 10ear span. Two independent architectural firms have um determined what we need.
And I believe that we should uh move forward with that and really push educate our our um residents and not back down. I actually believe that what is termed as a phased plan
forsakes the police department. I think that um what given what we know about Southampton residents willingness to spend money if we move forward with just
a a fire station. You and I will never see a police department in this town. And um that I that's not what I've worked nearly four years to achieve. I think that um we had
an assignment and we have um gotten the information we need. We've gotten it twice over 10 years and so um I had to vote against um dividing it up. Um
it's it's not costeffective. For one thing, it will it was mentioned at the meeting. It was stated that it would be a little more expensive to do it in two phases phases. That's inaccurate. It's going to be a lot more expensive. And by
the time we get around to building a um police or even proposing a police department, it's going to be gigantically more expensive and probably prohibitive. So, um I'm disappointed that we're not
moving forward and trying to um get what we were given the charge to do. I I'm disappointed and um I wish, you know, I I wish it was
different. I understand the costs, but I don't think that's a reason uh to back down. We know what we need. So I think that's >> Thank you. >> All right. Good. >> Okay. I think any questions from select board? Any comments?
>> Sure. >> Oh, are you kidding me? Um, as someone who's followed this process, both feasibility building feasibility studies and been a strong advocate for the acquisition of
these 54 acres that would accommodate both public safety building and a senior center and affordable housing and parking and accessible all persons access to the greenway, the Southampton
Greenway. way which is on schedule to be completed in 2019 2020 um >> 2019 no >> it's funded for 209 >> 2919 I wish it was 19
>> all right you're right I stand corrected um right so the land supports this that was the primary motivation for acquiring this land in this location. >> We found that it well would accommodate
a senior center and additional uses. It is consistent with our master plan, our regional growth plan, our housing production plan, our open space plan.
Our hazard mitigation plan identified that relocating our critical infrastructure in a public safety building and emergency operations center was a high priority. So
we are following through year after year, decade after decade. Okay. What would I observe from the last meeting which I attended but I'm not on the public safety building committee. I think my sense of the community is the
HKT report needs to be resoundingly set aside. I don't want to be too critical because there's an enormous amount of research, outreach, and so on upon which our needs assessment was built.
The place we clearly got into trouble was putting a price tag alongside our needs. And I think we at this point have heard clearly from the voters and from federal government and the economy in
general. We need to get our operating account under control. We're in a crisis in terms of meeting health insurance and other expenses. Completely unexpected. Not not bad
planning. Completely unexpected. Okay. And then we need to build a multi-year capital plan that includes these projects. I would say public safety, my view is the most urgent issue because
we're not OSHA compliant. We're not ADA compliant. Our public servants are working in completely unhealthy conditions. Probably shouldn't be putting this on television.
And this is in my mind the number one priority. But let me um add briefly that I have been consistently advocating for master planning this property and we've gotten through a needs assessment driven
by this board and then with community input and help from Pioneer Valley Planning Commission and Dodson Flinker. So now we have a conceptual plan of how public safety building plus the senior
center which I fully support as well plus affordable housing agricultural elements would be retained. It would again provide parking and accessible
connection to the Southampton Greenway. And the parcel that we never talk about is beyond the greenway, beyond the old railroad and down to the Manhan River frontage. But those seven acres, we've always said that's obvious flood plane
and a piece of conserving the Manhan River corridor. When you add up all these public use benefits and coordinate them, you've got much more than the sum of the parts. What unlocks this careful
planning that allows phasing and development of each and any of those uses more or less independent of the other. And towards that end, I'm working now with you and uh the grants committee to
fund the next round that we need some professional help, but we need to make it a lot more homegrown as well. We need to be technically grounded that we're protecting our water resources and doing everything right that way. But
I think we're going to again need to put our shoulder to the wheel in looking at the cost >> and >> Mhm. and with help probably again consultants to educate and communicate to the
community how each of these plays out and reinforces the other because I strongly believe that they do and I strongly believe we will incrementally over perhaps many years get funding support to build it out.
>> Okay. >> All right. Um, as far as a public uh fire station standalone with, you know, opportunities, no, I'm not personally in support of that. I think that's cost
inefficient and it doesn't address our urgent needs. >> Okay. Thank you, Ellen. I'm not sure if you can say anything or if you'd like to say anything. Can we hear you? We still don't have a volume. ECM media hasn't been able to
diagnose yet. >> Sorry, Ellen. Apologize. Okay, we have a technical issue tonight of all nights. Um, so at this point in time, I think, um, we've heard comments. I don't know that we're ready to take a vote on any particular motion at this
point in time. I don't want to necessarily have a motion tonight. I'd like to suggest that we all think about this a little bit more and come back at our next meeting or two. whenever we have our quorum in place, I'd like to have a discussion with everybody present rather than trying to do this half hybrid thing that is not working tonight
um and talk about, you know, what are the options from our point of view. We've heard what public safety is recommending to us. Um I think we have to take that seriously obviously um they've put a lot of work into that and um you know there's a lot of deliberation the other day too about how
they would like to present the challenges going forward to us. uh it doesn't seem like there's a lot of um wiggle room in terms of taking the HKT plan and trying to still downsize it. Uh I will remind anybody uh who's been
listening to us that over time and especially in the last few months we'd already decreased this the um the amount of square footage total square footage I believe down to 21,000 square feet. It had been 26,000. It had been more than that even before I believe. Uh and as we
looked at the current public safety structure in town existing current fire and police station that we have which is as you know kind of scattered all over the place that amount of square footage was 16,000 is 16,000 square ft. So the
new facility uh was asking for 5,000 ft more. Um so that that is where that is. So >> we don't yet have a pumper truck. That's a totally separate issue, right? Exactly. That's the grant we're waiting to hear about. We've applied for it. Um,
so I guess the, you know, the issue is trying to figure out how you can possibly get a square foot cost less than what we've been told. Uh, and you know, I various people have got different thoughts about that. Certainly from the architects that we've talked to, it's been closer to that $1,000 a
square foot, not $500 a square foot. So, and to be clear, we can't we can't buy a pumper truck unless we have a place to park it indoors. >> Well, >> that full stop. >> Well, whatever whatever happens first. Yes. I don't know what's going to happen first. That's the trouble. We're
searching. Um but anyway, so just to say that we're, you know, we're we're at that level where even if we try to take the HKT design and downsize it even more somehow and again based on the needs assessment that was done for both the fire and the police department by the
fire chiefs and the police chief to talk about what their needs are for for space to be a functional facility. you know, we're not quite sure, I think at that meeting the other day that we could downsize it any more meaningfully to been to really achieve that difference
in cost. So, when I hear maybe 15 million versus 25 million, I don't know how we make up a $10 million cost no matter what we do. Uh, honestly, so I think that's a a debate we all need to talk about a little bit more ourselves and and get into it in a bit more detail, which probably should not be
tonight. Um, I would really like us to be around a table and sit down and kind of debate ups and downs on our side as well. And >> well, I agree with you, but I think uh I'd like to expand on that and um when we take this up at our next meeting u
and I think it's that important to keep it going. Um, I'd like to see a draft charge reflecting what we've already heard from the committee >> and some further thoughts about whether
uh people want to, you know, um, put take a break and invite new people onto the committee or whether they're really committed and want to keep going for another turn. Mhm.
>> I'm not clear about how >> membership and terms work currently, but >> yeah, >> everybody ought to have a chance. >> Sure. And I I think usually I mean I you know this was uh started out kind of as a combination I think the naming of the committee has always been public safety building but it was really much more of
a feasibility committee in many ways. Um but the name the name was chosen before the before the task square I think shorten the name >> in that but I think certainly when we get to a point and and to me that would be real designs not just the conceptual drawing that we have now
>> those are when you know when you've got an architect's designs that's when you're going to need to have probably a more technically skilled committee I would assume that have got you know some of that engineering and architecture background to really monitor the work that the architect doing work with the
OPM etc. So, >> and with the goal to minimize unnecessary expense and to increase efficiency, >> all I'm saying is that that change will happen. I just don't know the timing of that change. I'm not sure that that it's >> that is on the on the work scope.
>> Right. Exactly. So, I think that's something that we need to talk about in terms of what the charge would would consist of. I can take a stab if you'd like to put a few thoughts down on paper so that when we do meet and have that um I will >> with consultation to the chairs. >> For sure. Uh um but I'll take a look at
maybe some other um other building committees and a couple of other neighboring towns and see if I can get information from them in terms of what they you know uh they u you know instructed if you will their their building committees to do. That might help us get started on that process.
>> Okay. I'm sorry. >> All right. Okay. Uh All right. So, if no further discussion on public safety, we'll keep on moving. >> Thank you. >> All right. We have um our ARPA quarterly reports and our ARPA financial report.
Um I'm thinking we're not getting anywhere with that. Um so, sorry, Ellen. Um, you're welcome to keep on listening in here, but I guess we cannot cannot get us here. Um, in terms of your chiming in
tonight. Um, so we have uh the ARPA financial reports we've gotten from Bradley. Um, >> are we just accepting those two into the records? And >> I think at this point in time, unless you've got some comments on them, there they look like they're pretty pretty good. We've got a couple of things that
uh have been challenging just in terms of the um uh covert management grant that came in where we had to obligate the full amount of the grant and then we got reimbursed from the state. So, we did get that reimbursement from the state now. Uh I think it was about $84,000 reimbured which we have in our
coffers. So, it's gone back more into our I believe it's gone into our general fund, not back into the ARPA coffers. >> Yeah. But didn't isn't there 130,000 coming? I might have the number wrong, but didn't we get penalized because of the previous >> That was car's money. That was totally CAR's money,
>> but that had to come out of the general fund. >> Um, >> we come up with the money somewhere. >> It will have to. Yes. At some point. Yeah. >> So, it's just really an offset. >> Yeah. Well, two different grants. I'm I'm not sure where that one can go, where the where the ARPA money can go back to. I don't know. >> Previous select board over spent. This
select board have come up with the money. and all this other crisis put it in. And now we've got a 84,000 coming in. >> The general fund I don't think it should show up on any expense line. I think it needs to fall out the free cash because this year we have zero free cash. >> No, it might very well. The the 130 on
the car's act is largely due to FEMA rejecting things that had been approved and changing the percentage that they were going to reimburse on things. So that was what caught up a lot of that at the very end. Um so anyway, the the ARPA figures are just to say that there's a
few things that are still being spent. There's an ARPA uh quarterly report tracker. Uh those that are active projects are still reporting on a quarterly basis. Um there's probably four I think there's four projects that are ongoing out of everything that we've approved and those will continue to be
spent. Uh probably the one that's the most ongoing is the uh the financial software I believe Scott. Uh that's a continuing um Arper project. the others are getting closer to the end. Uh, and so we've kept track on the ARPA decision-making, the ARPA quarterly
tracker, uh, in terms of report tracking. Uh, and then Bradley's giving us monthly reports on those. So, at this point in time, um, I think we're on track. We can still be spending the money. We can't reobligate any new money for ARPA. We have another year basically
to spend all the money that we have awarded out. So, I think we're doing okay from the reports I'm seeing. Anyway, um does anybody have any other questions on that? All right. If not, we'll go down to surplus equipment. Scott, you want to
walk us through whatever we've got? We got some new things to be able to sell. We're cleaning out more things. >> Uh Judy's you used equipment emporium soon be reopened. >> Really? >> Um so we have a few things from the fire department. an air compressor, some um
Cascade system bottles, and a uh SCBA fill uh station. The one that we funded through capital last year uh has been installed, so there's no more need from it. Um so this is the compressor that's used to uh fill the bottles. Um
this is the I believe the SCBA unit and then this is the um the spare bottle. So, uh, the chief would like to see if there's any value to it and and post it on the, um, the Munabids website. >> Um, for the library, we have some, uh,
heat heat lamps, um, which are those things that you see at restaurants that stand up. Um, they're in good working order, so we would like to change those. And last but not least, we have
um some old computers. So, they're they're probably not worth anything. Um, especially with the hard drive destroyed, but we we'll post them and see if there's anyone. >> I move that on recommendation of 10 administrator, we declare the entire
list surplus. >> Okay. Surplus for IT, fire department, and the library. Could I have a second, please? >> Second. >> Okay. All those in favor? >> Home I, >> Johnson, I. >> I see Brunai. Very, very good. Files
eye. All right. Thank you. Yeah. So, we can put those on the surplus list and Judy can proceed with disposal on those. Good. Um, land use planning update. I Stephen has given a bit of a intro to that, but Scott, uh, want to give us an update about what's happening schedule-wise?
>> So, um, hot off the presses, uh, from Dodson Flinker, we got a, um, the most recent, um, conceptual drawing. I'm not Stephen, did they share that with you? Okay. Yes, >> I just got it yesterday. Um, it looks looks really amazing. I think people are
going to be really really happy with it. I think it's >> I don't have that. >> Huh? >> I have an earlier version. >> Oh, you don't have the most recent one? No. >> Oh, okay. I'll I'll forward it I'll forward it to the select board. Um, >> that would be perfect. >> Yeah. But it's it's really um it's
really great. I mean, you see what the the work that DNF did on their 3D rendering conceptual designs. um it really comes to life like seeing it on paper like that way. And they're going to do a lot more. I think they're going to do some like 3D modeling and things
like that. But um so once that's kind of approved, I think that'll it'll go to the the final public phase um where there's a presentation and uh kind of a uh unveiling of it. So um I think it's I think everyone should be really excited
about it. I think it's um there's two really great options. Um but there's a lot of opportunity to move forward with the town to phase it in. We have the commercial section, we have the affordable housing section, and then we still have the area that's reserved for um municipal use. And then the other
great thing is going to be the access to the greenway as well. I think they did a really great job tying that in. Um and when you look at the entire project, uh they took into account, um the neighbors, you know, their concerns, especially with water drainage. Um we still have to go before Mass DOT, but when you look at the way that they did
the and uh potential access to the property. Um you also have to look at um the size and scope of it. Um you know, we we had a lot of different opinions from >> doing absolutely nothing to building
huge apartment complexes. Uh I think the when people see the design um and it looks a lot better once you see the 3D rendering. When you see the the visuals up above straight above it looks a lot bigger than it actually is. Um, but once you once everyone sees that, you're going to see the scope of it. Um, and I
think people are going to be pretty happy with it. It's going to be um it's going to it's going to present a new option for the town for people that this is going to be a place where people will want to come whether it's you know to use the greenway to use the
commercial to live there um to visit you know if we have different community events there as well on like a new town green uh I think it's going to be a real real place where people are going to want to come and gather. >> Okay. And do we have a rough timeline about when we might >> um
>> have that session or or No, >> not yet. Not yet. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> But before the end of the year, most likely. >> Hopefully. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. Hope so. >> Yeah. I'll just PS that that Dodson Flinker and Pioneer Valley Planning
Commission consultants have helped us with applying for the next round of grants and uh really valuable work that we've completed with them so far to build on uh to take the next steps and
to seek funding for the professional services that we'll need. Mhm. >> Um still as I said earlier um we need to put our shoulder to the wheel and put a local face on every bit of this decision making.
>> Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh just briefly on the 250th anniversary, we're still plugging away on various things here. We have two events in November that are definitely uh got a date certain. One is uh November 9th, which
is a Sunday afternoon from 3 to 6. We're doing another uh musical bingo, and this time it's going to be at Tin Can Alley over by uh next to the bowling lanes. If you haven't frequented Tin Canal, uh it's right next door to Canal Bowling, and they will be hosting us for Sweater
Weather Bingo, musical bingo. Uh which the first one we did uh in February turned out to be a lot of fun. And so we're hoping we can have another event um on November 9th. And then on November 23rd, I believe it's a Sunday. Also, uh
the First Congregational Church next door here will be doing a gratitude service that is both uh not only toward Thanksgiving obviously, but looking at the relationship, the historical relationship between the town and the church um that has uh existed for more
than 200 years. And so we'll be getting a little bit of a history lesson along with that. And it's also going to be a chance to celebrate the 15th anniversary of the community cupboard. Um, so there'll be more information on that. So, um, I know a lot of us have been concerned lately about donations for the
community cupboard and we thank all those that have put their voices out to try and make that more more u a top priority among u people's thinking about where they could maybe help out and give some donations. And I think we'll probably add that in on the 23rd as well. And then we're still working on
December, but we're talking about a front yard/porch holiday decorating contest. So, for those of you that go out and shop early for all your holiday decorations, keep that in mind. You might want to find something totally unique and creative.
Um, we'll get some more details out on that. Uh, but sometime that would probably start right around Thanksgiving time and for the first couple weeks of December. And then we're looking uh to work with the fire department on a couple of things uh in addition to the uh to the uh usual tree lighting out
here. Um some sort of a mini uh firetruck parade, decorated firetr parade. Um and then um we will hopefully be having a bonfire on New Year's Eve. That would end our 250th celebration. So, and that would be at Church Hill uh
right next door. So, those are what's in the planning stages. So, stay tuned. We'll get the information out as best we can. and hopefully you can find one of those activities to join in on. So, >> all right. Any other business that can't wait until our next meeting, which is on
Monday, November 10th, given the holiday. All right. If not, uh Steven Warrants are on your >> agenda here. >> Yes. Dramatic reading. >> Yes. >> Uh so, we've paid the following
warrants. W25-49A. The amount is $4,651.84. PD26-8, the amount is 53,84.50. PD26-8A, the amount is $252,479.81. P26-12,
the amount is $363,2122. PD26-12 $60,9784 PD26-12A the amount is 305,389.77 W26-13 the amount is $197,169.94 4 P26-14.
The amount is hard to read. 353,873.93. PD26-14, the amount is 58,291.7. And lastly, W26-15. The amount is 329,217.97. >> Okay. Very good. Thank you very much.
Appreciate you looking those over and signing those each week. Uh we have one PCF in front of us. Uh John, would you like >> Motion to approve PCF? PCF for the highway department. Mark Craig. New hire part-time nonfit benefited only as
needed has CDL would be a an additional driver during inclement weather pay rate of $40 an hour effective November 1st. >> Okay. >> Second. >> All right. Okay. All those in favor >> I Johnson I >> I hear De Bruy over there and Fowl's
eye. Okay. Thank you very much. That is approved. We'll sign that PCF tonight. Um old business. Um, any further update on 24 audit, Scott? I know we had our auditor here a couple weeks ago and uh we're done with the 23 audit and um
making progress at getting her all the information we need on the 20 24 audit, but >> uh what where are we at with that? >> Um so we we met with the I met with the financial team um met with the finance team on uh Monday. Um Dave, our
assessor, uh Megan, treasurer and Bradley, the the town account. So, we're going to start uh pushing over next month to get some of those done. Everyone's been signed up. Um Megan has been uploading um a significant portion of documents. I've been getting the emails each time. >> Um so, I'll get a percentage for next
meeting to just get that along, but it's now now the focus is try to only be two years behind. >> Right. >> So, we are moving we are moving forward and it's a priority. >> Mhm. Okay. And our goal is still to get our free cash in for December. >> Yes, that is that is the goal. Yep. I I
met with Bradley and um looks like that's more than likely doable. So, not to jinx it, but >> I think that'll be what whatever's left of free cash. That's a different different topic, but I think we'll be certified by then. Uh the tax rate uh on
a related note was just I think I forwarded to the select board. Um the preliminary um uh valuations were just uh approved and Dave's going to finish that up in the next week or two. Uh we hope to have we'll probably have to have the um classification hearing. Um
hopefully if everything works out maybe the mid November meeting uh if not very early in in December. >> Mhm. Okay. All right. Good. All right. Um these other two we just have had on here. So in my head old
business to me it's old business/pending business. Um we just wanted to bring back on um something that we haven't acted on. We voted on it at town meeting, but we haven't put it together yet, which is this prudent investor rule and getting a trust fund set of commissioners set up, and that's something that we still have to do. It's
on the to-do list. Um, a lot of that work would involve our treasurer, I believe, too. And given her part-time nature right now, I'm not sure that that takes priority over getting the audit information in, but um, it's definitely on the list so we don't forget it. And
on volunteer side, the finance committee before we add another committee with similar skill needs, >> wouldn't you say the trustees of the >> the trust fun would have similar overlapping skills with a healthy
functioning finance committee? >> Maybe, maybe not. I think it's more in terms of investment, right, John? I mean, I'm not sure. In terms of the >> fair >> prudent investor rule, it's really focusing not on the general fund so much, which is where finance committee would focus more of their attention. The investment fund is really much more um
per our investment policy that the treasurer manages. So >> that's correct. >> That's with Bartholomew. Yeah. So uh East Street, as far as we know, everything is still on on track with that. I think there have been some >> meetings with Randall lately on that. So, we're still on on board with that
eventual widening and uh improvement of East Street as far as what Whispering Lane, I think it is, or down in that area. Goes from here to that area. So, we've got a few things on the board with uh DOT. I know there's a DOT meeting coming up this week. Is it this week?
>> Um at WTover. Um >> right. >> But it was more just Was it intended to be a >> meet and greet? >> Meet and greet kind of session with officials from Boston. Is that it? >> Mhm. from the transportation office. >> It's your time to vent. >> Same.
>> You know, it that's the event to go to to vent your frustrations with the DOT. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, maybe Scott might end up going. I'm I'm not going to be able to go, but uh Okay. So, we do have our select board meeting as I mentioned uh right now, November 10th and 25th. We
can talk about the 25th if that's too close to um Thanksgiving. We could fiddle with that date differently perhaps. Um, and then December 9th and 23rd. Um, and then our special town meeting, uh, December 6th. So, just for those that are here, since I can't hear,
Ellen, uh, John and Stephen, are the dates of those that you would not be here? >> Well, yeah, November 10th, right now, I'll be at a summit and December 9th, I'll be in Portsouth. >> Okay. December 9th.
>> 9th as well. >> Okay. All right. All right. Ste Stephen, are you around, you think? Or >> I think so. >> Okay. >> The the 10th is the first night when I fly in. So, I mean, I could if they can figure out the Zoom thing. >> Uh-huh. Okay. Yeah, that has worked in
the past. I'm not sure what's going on with it now. So, um for November 10th. Okay. All right. We'll check that out and see what we can do. Okay. Um we will be going into uh executive session. Uh we have two reasons for executive
session. Uh the first is MGL chapter 30A section 21A3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigation litigating position of the public body and the chair so declares this is
regarding health insurance and also MGL chapter 3A section 21A2 to con conduct strategy sessions in preparation for negotiations with non-union personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions or contract negotiations with non-union personnel. And this is regarding the
police chief. So with that, if I could have a motion to adjourn our regular meeting and go into executive session. >> Do you anticipate coming back into open session? >> We will not be coming back into open session. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All right. All those in favor, roll call vote, please.
>> John. Okay. I see the de Bruin I fouls I. So we will adjourn at 7:15 and uh pick up in a minute on our executive session.