This government meeting is brought to you by Eastworks and our local cable subscribers. Okay, we're going to call to order the meeting of the Southampton Select Board for July 22nd, 2025 at 6 p.m. If we could all start with the pledge of
allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands one nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. All right.
All right. Welcome. Welcome. All right. So, we have any citizens speak? I see Tammy. Come on. Green light on. Yep. Okay. Tammy Wunis, 298 College Highway. On
behalf of the Southampton Historical Society, I want to remind people that there is a free concert tomorrow night um at 6:00 and the historical society will be
selling our new book. Um, we have created a documentary of Ted Hendrickx and Frank Conan. And there's
lots of other information in here that pertains to World War II and their life here and the things that they've done. And it's incredible. It's an incredible read. They're $15.
um prefer cash or check? No, we do not have Venmo. Sorry. Um and then the other thing that I know will be touched on, but hopefully if I can ask that licenses and permits be
done earlier. We'll we'll move them up a little bit into new business there. Yeah. the his the historical society again doing celebrate Southampton um August 16th and it's there's a lot happening that day
starting at 10:00 a.m. with memory hour but then at 11:30 we have um craft vendors and three food trucks, free popsicles, music, the citizen of the year presentation. We have two types of raffles this year. We actually have
some grand raffles um that are bigger items and we will have our historic train ride. So please um save that date August 16th. It's a Saturday and um come
out and celebrate with the town. Great. Thank you. Thanks you. Perfect. All right. Okay. Uh I see Sam is here from the Gazette. Anything to say? Just want to sit in? All right. Perfect. Thank you very much.
All right, so um with that, let's go to treasure collector update and Scott, do we have uh Megan on? He's intermediate. Can you hear me? Megan, uh unfortunately Megan doesn't have any sound.
Oh, now she does. Maybe she just did a thumbs up. So, okay. So, uh we'll introduce Megan Kaine, our interim treasure collector. Hi, how are you? Sorry about that. I just couldn't hear anybody for a little bit.
Good. Um so, Megan's uh started last week uh and jumped right into it. A lot of stuff going on. um a lot of great new ideas um that I think that we can improve efficiency things like uh bringing a lock box to the to the bank so they go directly you know the bills
go directly to the bank for deposit you know check scanners so things get uh sorted out quicker um we we actually had tech support in to fix the computer to input things at the window quicker already we're looking at payroll um making that more efficient switching to paperless so you don't have to run
around town hall looking for uh Stephen knows with the warrants and things like that. Um so you you know Megan's jumped right into it. She brings you know almost a decade of experience working in Westfield. Um have to get a little bit used to town meeting a little bit
different over here but I'll I'll bring you up to speed. Um but yeah and I think it's working out really well. We're looking at staffing issues now as well. Um obviously we we have the assistant treasurer uh left. Um she's um Angie is helping out on a night
and weekend basis just to make sure that payroll is okay being processed. So we also have help from Robin Richards as well uh from Highway used to work in the treasures department and we're looking at bringing on a proc another person. Mhm. Okay, great. So Megan, you want to just
say a few words? We we've seen your uh your background a bit, but if you want to say a few words to to the folks that are listening, uh we have our public education channel here, so Okay. Sure. Say something. Yeah, I'd love to. Um, so I started off working in public accounting um in
auditing and I did that for almost seven years. Um, and then I was at the city of Westfield. I started as the treasurer there. Um, the collector retired while I was there. So then I ended up taking on the treasure and collector's role. Um, and I left that to stay home with my kids. So um, on board now in Southampton
part-time and like Scott was saying, I'm really just trying to increase efficiency with what we're doing. um you know a lot of things that we were able to implement in Westfield I think we can get in place here and it'll cut down on a lot of um like human data entry which
always opens you up for the chance of error or something getting missing. Um, so trying to automate what we can and like Scott said, looking at things like time and attendance. Um, getting that pushed out to the departments and then maybe eventually like turnovers and receipts. Um, just kind of try to cut
down some of the data entry. Um, that really like the treasure collector was doing a lot of. Um, which I think is maybe not the most efficient use of time for someone in that position. Um, and then yeah, just trying to get not trying to upset the apple cart by any means. Um but just trying to see where we can
improve efficiencies um and get things moving. Great. Okay. No, it's great. I mean, I think it it helps to have another set of eyes from the outside coming in with different experience and and maybe looking at things that we're doing and saying, gosh, um you know, you could you could update a little bit and get into
the 21st century here. Uh we rely on paper quite a bit, but we've we've gotten better since Scott has been here. I must say the last year we've reduced our paper quite a bit. So, um I think anything we can do to make time and and efficiency better and reduce the the way that paper has to flow around here and
this the various signoffs and all that kind of stuff. I mean, whatever we can do to make that more more efficient and not take up so much of anybody's time in the treasure collector's office sounds like a great idea. So, yeah. Anybody have any comments, questions? Yeah. No. Oh, welcome. So, welcome. Yeah. No, thank you.
Thank you so much. All right. And you're going to be in two days a week, is that right? or what's required. Yeah, I was just trying to kind of get a feel um kind of what the busy days are in the office when I really need to be in the office, but that was my goal is to be in there two days a week um and
then see see if that works out. Mhm. Okay, great. All right, good. Well, thank you for stepping up and uh wanting to to volunteer next door here in Southampton in terms of volunteering, but uh being part of a different uh
town government structure and uh jumping in to see what we've got here that we can perhaps improve. So, thank you for doing that. Yeah, thank you so much. All right. Very good. Thanks, Megan. Thank you. Okay. Uh we have just one
one appointment I guess tonight. Move to approve uh the reappointment of Christina Matson Public Safety Building Committee one-year term to expire June 30th, 2026. Okay. Second. Second by Steven. All right. All those in favor? I
I All right. That's approved. Um that's the only appointment, I guess. Uh town administrator report. Scott So, we actually um we have actually for the green energy manager, we've we've submitted an offer and I believe it has
been accepted. I just want to double check with Doug um from that position that we talked about a few months ago that shared between West Hampton um Williamsburg and uh Southampton and we'll be focusing on Hampshire Regional First and hopefully expand into the municipal buildings. that was from a
grant that was paid for um on your Eversource bill. It all goes into a green energy fund and we applied for it as a regional and it was accepted. So hopefully next next meeting I'll be able to uh share with you. Supposed to be an energy manager type person, but working for all three towns though. Y great.
Y um we are going to be having some issues coming up. Um maybe I'm probably going to suggest having the um quarterly meeting that we planned for se September maybe a little bit earlier. Um but it looks like the at the last meeting the
Hampshire Regional Trust Group had mentioned that there might be a 10 to 20% increase midyear in October which there was no previous warnings about and that's obviously pretty devastating to our budget because it'll probably be 150 to $250,000 that we're going to have to come up with mid year.
Explain for people listening what the group trust is. Uh the group trust is about 30ish 30 to 40 um towns that uh purchase health insurance together um and they're self-insured. So instead of being fully insured where the insurance
company would take the risk and the profit, we have to pay for um all the claims that come through. So that increase of estimated to be 150 to 250,000, is that the full amount? And if so, that means 25% of it would be absorbed by the employees that are on
the plan. Correct. Well, from from our we spend about $1.2 million right now on the the health insurance. So, just rough math, right? So, that's the potential full impact of which 75% would have to be absorbed through the budget. No, that's just the town. Then the employees would have to pay their 25%
additional. So, that would hit the employees as well. All right. And so, we had for this last budget season, didn't we have like a 15% or so increase already that we had to budget for now? Yeah, it was an 18% and this is another 18%. And this is going to be another
Mhm. that would hit us for this fiscal year or Yep. Okay. And not just the town side because the town pays for the school, but also affects Hampshire Regional because they get their insurance through that too. So, right, that's going to impact our schools,
right? So, they pay their own but we pay the teachers insurance. Yeah. Wow. That's going to be a huge challenge. Okay. Um so we are looking at insurance. Yeah. Yeah. But I think but nothing nothing goes quickly with insurance. So I mean re realistically
it's do we have any options? I mean uh there are options. Um we we're getting the claims data right now and at the end of the day the claims are the claims. So um there there's more efficient ways to do things. So we have the obstacle of having to negotiate with
the unions. Timing is an obstacle cuz if you want to go in the GIC you have to have notification by October. Um, you know, Maya, uh, is another process whether we go with fully insured with Blue Cross Shield or another provider or self-insured, which I think we might be
a little bit too small for that. Um, but until we really dive into the data, we won't know. No. Y um, we had a site visit from Vanessa Fanny from the U. Mass Division of Conservation on um potentially um some
conservation land um off of Fulmer Road. Um you mentioned Megan Kaine uh started last week. Um the other big item was the senior center building committee met last week and actually today as well u about moving forward uh recommending to the select board moving forward with uh
the town meeting and town vote on the um construction costs for the senior center. Um I'm going to propose having a joint meeting for the by the next meeting um to talk about timing and they can do a proposal to the psych board that the select board would have to approve. Then we would need a formal
vote to have a special town meeting and then if that passes another vote for um a special town election for that. So we're looking, you know, whether it's late September, early October maybe for a special town meeting. Um, I'd like to avoid December or January for any type
of Yeah. vote. I mean, with the weather the way you can get 12 inches of snow and um, unfortunately there's no redoss when it comes to elections, so we can't cancel those. Um, but yeah, definitely before you know the holidays and people's minds
start to look at other things. So, um, the ADA self-evaluation has also started. You might have seen some people uh in the parking lot and around the buildings in the schools, the fire station, police station uh with some measuring sticks and different things. So, they've been working on that,
getting some preliminary report, but it's going to be a few more months before we get a final report. So, um they did town um Jim and um Mike did town hall while they were here last week. So, and they were in the parking lot today with the fire station. Okay. So,
and they said I think they were going to do some of the processes too because one of the things that we might do I think if they if they do that um we had tried as we created the new website to make it more ADA accessible. So maybe if they have that on their radar too that would
be good while they're here to give us any input or any advice on anything we still need to improve on that. Yep. Uh and then I did I don't know if it's on the agenda but I did attach the latest 24 FY24 audit. We're we're roughly about um 30% done. Um there's a
few things I I didn't upload yet for the assessors. Um I'm working on some other things, but obviously the biggest part is the uh the treasure collector part. Um but you know, we're probably about 40% of it is stuff that we can do now. So we're almost there on our part. Um
so we're moving forward with that. And I think it should have been uh in the packet. Um Mhm. Yeah, it was here. Was it? I didn't. Okay. Um might be a little tough to read, but yeah, it's very tiny, very small to read.
So, that's for the FI24 audit. And then I did uh get um an update from CBiz on FI24. So, they're going to try to get it by the end of this month, which is in the next nine days. Um Yep. Nine days. So,
they'll be on the 20 23 audit, huh? 23 audit. Yeah. 23. Yeah. Okay. So once we receive that, then we would also look at trying to program them to come in at a future meeting. And they won't start the 24 audit until they get all this stuff in. Is that
most of it? Yeah. Yeah. And they definitely have to wrap up the 23 first. Yeah, for sure. Okay. All right. Any questions of Scott? Well, then there's a typo in the TA report. Mhm. Fernie,
at the very last line, um, we're still working on 23 audit, not 24 audit. No, but this is the progress report. This is what we're trying to submit in. That's the progress report for 24. Yeah. Okay. These are all the things that are I thought we weren't working on them
concurrently. This is all the stuff that in terms of what we have to submit to the auditor. We had asked to get a progress report every meeting to see how much we had been submitting to the auditor. Which fiscal year? 24 to the auditors. The auditors have not yet started reviewing. They haven't started until they complete. So they
just they won't start until they get obviously juggling 23 24 and 25 filling up the bucket. Yeah. Yeah. So that's basically it. Yeah. So very good. Okay. All right. Um any uh select board reports, John? Anything?
None. Stephen, sure. housing authority met last week and um Sierra was available and intending to attend a opening a ribbon cutting of affordable housing property
in Lello that uh Wfinders is u opening. Okay. And it is um I won't go through all the details, but um it's townhouse style of about the scale that we've been trying to wrap our arms around for the
college highway property. Um and the housing authority is well positioned to forge ahead towards getting out of our planning processes um aotting plan so that each of the
interest groups can go forward to some extent independent of the other as they each face their own funding peculiarities. Okay. Hope that make somewhat. Does that make sense? I got it. I think so. Yeah, that'll tie
into the future. If we know where everybody's going to land and they're happy with that piece of land, then um it's uh in I don't have crystal ball. I think these things are each going to have their own trajectory,
right? And I think, you know, we've obviously got more land use planning stuff coming up on the agenda here in terms of scheduling and when that'll That's fine. I apologize. I could not access any of this. No, understood. Yeah, I know we've had some computer issues this week, so that's fine. Are we secure now? I mean, that's a TA
question. Yeah, we are secure the on our internet and everything. Mhm. Yeah. After that, that was fixed within at this level it was fixed within minutes, right? I mean, yeah. So, once when you had that breach last week, um I just notified Novvice, they reset everything so that anyone
that had access to it remotely had to relog in and they wouldn't be able to do that. So well because concurrently there was a onepoint issue. Is it onepoint the Microsoft uh share shareepoint maybe whatever the hell it is. Uh that sounded
like what we're using to coordinate town files and I wasn't sure if our issue was isolated and simple or part of something they were still inventing a patch for. Uh, no. It was really just uh confined to email and
fishing. So, well, pernicious. It's still there. Yeah, we've had enough of fishing lately, too. A lot of emails. So, we're just being very cautious on clicking on any attachments that we get. I hope so. Even though this one apparently that was was opened up was one that we would have
believed was a real one from a vendor apparently from what I understood. Yeah, they're they're tricky. Yeah. So, they're hard to hard to spot these days. Um uh not too much going on on my front from uh grant committee or um we've been trying to schedule a
master plan meeting, but we haven't had people in time coordinate well enough. So we may have to hold off another couple weeks before we can get everybody back from vacation time to do that. Um we did have a meeting with the bylaws committee and both um the highway
superintendent and building commissioner Tree Warden joined us uh to talk about the scenic roads bylaw. So, we made a little bit of headway on that. Um, but we're still working on that. So, that's basically it. No more grant work right now. We put in any and all grant applications. We're
just in a a waiting mode now to um see any responses. So, a lot of these should be coming through any day over the next two months. So, between August and September, we would be hearing on any of the grants that we put in. Uh either yay or nay. So, we'll
take it as it happens, I guess. Okay. Uh, new business. Our first item up is a chapter land withdrawal for 50 C crooked ledge Road and looking at this paperwork
for purposes of discussion. Well, Mhm. Go ahead, Stephen. I'm just cracking open the package now. Um, yeah. This is the notice of intent for withdrawal of land from chapter
Mhm. Halfway down the page, I we intend to convert to a non-qualifying use. Yes. Mhm. If yes, an appraisal is required. I don't find an appraisal in my packet,
nor reference to an appraisal by the assessors, the conservation commission, or the planning board. I don't see a town interest in this except in conforming to state law and our own process as clearly stated and
acknowledged in the application. I would I guess now I know it. I want to move to table this until we receive an appraisal. All right. Good point. I had not caught that. Is that a motion? That's a motion. Second. All right.
uh just for further discussion. So we do have apparently nobody picked that up because it already went through uh concoming board and it went through the assessors and the assessors have also um done the computation of roll back taxes.
All of that starting number is the number the assessors carry not appraisal is required by our policy and state law. Okay. I'm sorry this this is it's just the way the form
longstanding problem right of none of the agencies speaking to each other and not understanding the requirements of state law as clearly represented on our own form it is I'm disappointed I'm sorry no it is I see that now so it's as the
way the form is laid out so if if they were selling it then they would have to have a bonafide purchase and sale which I think we've seen from others so this is circumstance. This is a recent a different kind of use where they're going to convert it to um to building a house. So, that does say and it says right next to it, an appraisal
is required. So, sounds like Stephen has a point here. I think we need to go back to the to the land owner on that and also notify the boards that they're missing something on their checklist here as they're looking at this paperwork. So, I think we have a motion and a second on this. Uh all those in favor of
tableabling this I I I All right. I would just say I mean when this packet whoever ever wants to do this for whatever reason under 6161A or 61B where does this get filed? Where's the first stop that this document shows up
in the town clerk's office? The clerk timestamps it and then as far as I know does nothing. So I think to help the clerk we should develop some sort of little cover sheet. When these come in here's the checklist. If this does then this is where it goes. Before you time stamp it, make sure you
have a complete packet. I've offered several versions of that because in theory it shouldn't have been it shouldn't have been timestamped because it wasn't a full packet received. Well, and she she wouldn't be responsible for looking at the full packet necessarily right now. I agree with you right now, but if we were to provide a cover sheet,
here's the receipt you issue. Everything's here. Now I can time stamp and I could be wrong but I think Stephen if I'm not wrong that they the applicant puts in a direct letter to each board right they don't all come in in one packet and they circulate I believe
there's a letter written to that is required by state law I cannot describe the practice as it exists so let's let's assume that we need to I know you've said I think we can probably develop the best clarify this yeah I think the assessors are kind of complex and there's good will and
commitment But very little training and very little coordination on this. The mere fact that 75% of this board is confused on what should happen tells me enough that we need a better process in place. No, I think I think for the most part,
you know, the to my knowledge when I was liazing with the assessors, the letters were coming in directly to each of the boards, but the assessors took the lead on their first review, you know, after it was Yeah. So also under statute. Yeah.
So we get a we have a we have an action item to get that tidied up. Yeah. At fourth with Mhm. Okay. Can we um would uh Yeah. Would would the chair mind if we go out of order and take up
the three license permits as a collective package? Sure. Do you want to do them early? Yeah. Um, I'll move that uh we approve the following the three following one-day wine and malt applications. The first one, celebrate Southampton, Conan Park,
Saturday, August 16th, 2025, 8:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Uh, the purpose is celebrate Southampton. The second one is Jennifer Hudson Hutchkins, Co Park, September 14th, 2025, 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. for a work picnic. And the third is
the Southampton Town Democratic Committee, Sunday, September 21st from 2:00 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. for a meeting. Second. Okay. Second by Steven. All those in favor? I I I All right. All three permits are approved and we'll get those signed
tonight and passed back. Thank you. All right. And then do we want to deal with the water department now so the um employees can go home and have dinner? you guys are being very uh I don't I don't mind. We could we can do it.
So, all right. Let's take up the water overtime policy if we can find it in our packets here. Um I guess I know you guys met last night. I'm a little confused because it looks very similar to one that we did not
agree with back in April. So, I'm wondering what's changed because I think we had suggested some language that we wanted to see and that doesn't look like it's here. So, I'll leave it to you, Mr. Brett. Hello, everybody. Hi, I'm Brett for Favor Man. Nice to
meet you. So, uh language. Um, we did get most of all the language that you would wanted in there. So, I'm not sure exactly what Well, well, I think it comes down to the there's three paragraphs under weekend
treatment plant coverage. The first paragraph seems fine, but the next two paragraphs are different than than the paragraph the town administrator sent back at the committee's request for wording, right? And so, the water commissioners, we had a meeting last night. Um, well,
we had a meeting back in Yeah. the one the main thing prior to this the finance committee and met we had a meeting on June 16th the water commissioners and um so we one of the things Brett we had asked I can just give you one that comes
to my mind that I see that I don't think is changed based on what we had said so it was on the um uh all hours worked so this basically the sec the second big paragraph of yours at the end of it all hours worked in excess of 40 hours
per week shall paid at the overtime rate of 1 and a half the employees straight time. We wanted it stopped right there. We did not agree at the time vacation time, holiday time, paid personal time, paid sick time would be counted as time worked for the purpose of computing that. And so I think that
so yeah, I wanted to um I have a couple of uh thoughts on that. Um I had heard at the last meeting that I wasn't here um that it was a common practice that it wasn't that wasn't um the fact at town meetings I'm sorry at
other towns um where in fact East Hampton Hoyoke West Springfield all have that policy where overtime sick and vacation is considered hours work regardless. Um does it combine with our personnel handbook however I don't think it does.
I thought it does not non-unel for non-un employees. It doesn't. So that's a challenge. I think that's where we were having our issue and and that is where we are also having issues on um trying to be competitive with other water departments. And I mean I'll go back on
understand round two of my my woes of the water world profession. Um I you weren't on the board last. Um I have handouts to show that where where the um water world is progressing with lack of um licensed staff. Um we're a department of two.
I think yeah I think that's it. I mean I think our challenge is because we are a small department that a lot of the language in here I think as we said the first time really applies to a large a larger operation like a a bigger city. So when you're talking about we're competing with those bigger cities
and so I know but the language isn't Southampton focused. It's it's much more you know talking about various departments within the water department. You are a department of two people right now. Right. So I mean the language here doesn't make sense with the structure of
the system here in town and I don't think it's still in compliance with the personnel handbook because it's a non-union situation here where it may be unionized through a DPW or something else in another town. So that's my op. Do we not have the ability to does this board not have the ability to change
that to on the personnel policy stuff? I mean well the select board could but the select board needs to the select board could change that policy and make that but it's would go beyond the wire department. It would go across all non-union roles. So it's not
just one or two positions that would have happened to um So how do we need to make how do we what do I need to go do forward to make that happen where it just mean no but I'm not seeing the paragraph you reference Chris what what paragraph did you just reference
the on the first page um it starts out the normal work week so hours of work and overtime end of the second paragraph second paragraph all employees shall be scheduled um short-term some shift changes that begins there. Okay. And it's the last sentence. We had just
recommended that it stop right after half the employee straight time and not go with the vacation holiday all that computed in. That was our recommendation last time. I think so. In here there was in the packet
there was some of the language that Scott had provided which is this. And so on June June 16th, we had the um water commissioners meeting and and in our meeting notes. I'm not sure if anybody got those. Um
there was a there was changes, but we did not did not agree to those changes pretending that holiday, sick, and vacation time that don't count to the 40 hours. So, um I just want to point out that the three water commissioners um are in agreeance that the that in the
best interest to keep this department staffed in the best interest of public health to the rateayers that we need to make these changes to stay competitive, right? And and their their vote only represents that isolated group you just said. So now it's got to come here and
if we agree to it, it's good. If not, we strike the language and whatever the final wording comes out tonight, that becomes the law of the land. But again, I think we're having to look at it across the town. Well, and that's why we're looking at it through a different lens. Right. Right. And so, how do we make it so that
I'm not trying to compare myself to other departments that this department is different. It's not the library. It's this is not um 9 to5, you know, town hall. This is a 365 days a year job. Where are you at filling the third position? I don't work 9 to5.
Neither does this. Me neither do I. No, but but I mean because part of this was only put into place until the end of the year with the intent that a third person is going to come on cuz right now you've got one employee working 365 days a year. Yeah, you're correct. Right.
Which is a burnout factor. So just to throw more money at it, you're still going to potentially lose that employee. I I don't know many people that'll work 365 days a year. He's buying a new house. So, well, I get it. But life bal work balance quality comes in at some point.
Yeah. No, I understand. Um, previous employee also worked and he's not it's not 365 days a year. Um, I I do fill in for every single holiday since I've started. The other comments he's I I don't want to go back in history
because we're trying to bring things onto an even keel and have them consistent across departments. But my understanding and I've not reviewed the hiring sheets is that um this is the
policy that conforms to the hiring agreement. Not a contract certainly not a union contract. But the hourly employee is scheduled Monday through Friday.
So to be I think the employment agreement is silent. I don't believe and I'm going off my photographic memory that it calls out that it says, you know, if you if you have a a planned vacation day or PTO day, whatever it is, in the middle of
that week, it doesn't say and and that's the clarity. So if it's silent it falls back to what is the past practice and past practice is nonwork time does not count for the purposes of calculating time and a half
and here it's inserting a a wording I'm a real proponent for uniform policies a department of two is already on life support we need to do
the flip side of this if if it really if If the issue is to make sure that that eight hour well no it's more because you get four four and four eight is that additional 12 hours of compensation for working the weekend right it's four hours on Saturday four hours on Sunday
and if it's a time and a half that's 12 hours pay uh 16 four on four pay period it' be 16 a pay period so Sunday Sunday right well if yeah if you're doing the math out that way yeah it's the straight it's it Per 7-day calendar, there's 2 days at
4 hours a piece. So that's 8 hours per week. Time and a half means you're going to get 12 hours compensation. Bi-weekly, you're going to get 24 hours of compensation. The flip side is change the change the wage. That's really what it costs to keep somebody in that job. Don't be don't be
changing the the entire policy that then impacts all the other department wage, right? And then one would argue that that potentially really raises to the level now your salary position. I want I want to say also that there's been six years of precedence that this
has gone on without an issue and it has only been brought to light since December probably has been a lot of good communication I would say in that amount of time. Well I would say retaining staff is something that we need to look at here. I would say that the past treasurer collector was was a
pretty good stickler on these. So I I would be surprised if she let those go under the former employee and when you hired a new employee that's when she raised the question, right? And so then we actually on September 4th um it wasn't September 4th. This is when the offer letter for
Andrew was signed. We I I was standing at this podium here with this offer letter that was read and accepted. Um, and that offers him nights, weekends, and overtime. Does does it say it gets thrown out?
Does it specifically say that vacation, sick time, PTO time, and all that will be considered hours worked for purposes of calculating time? No, it doesn't. Your normal work week will be 40 hours per week with expected hours of 8 to 4. Right. Right. It doesn't say specifically weekends or
Monday through Friday 8 to 4, but it would be normally accepted that a town job it's Monday through Friday 8 to 4. Um, and it says in an event of emergency, you would be expected to work at a rate of time and a half with 4hour minimums for weekends and call outs. Um, and you've got that in here, I think,
where that person coming in on the 4 hours, if they're coming in on the weekend for that 4hour D required thing that you have to do, you've put it in here, which I think is something you did take into consideration that that person, if the work doesn't take 4 hours on Saturday, they're still on call.
They're considered on call. That's that was one of our one of our suggestions. And so, that has been incorporated. Yep. And so back to answer a question a second ago on extra um the additional hires um that that position's been
posted well before I started um with zero applicants. So since we put it on Indeed, we got a great response. But since November 11th of 2024, we've had 61 applicants on Indeed. and not one single person will have does have a
treatment license or a distribution license which in this situation will not help us. Um so they'll continue to be myself and the current water technician um covering 7 days a week um because uh anybody that doesn't have a license doesn't get to be left in there
unattended on the weekends. So there's talk of a water laborer position. Um I haven't had time to put that pos that um description together in the the discussion is to have that a
trained in position and get them on boarded. Um issues with that is it's it's at least at minimum 365 days in the making. If we hire somebody, they have the incentive to go in. They're going to have to get their treatment one and in the event that we become a water
department of one myself, they're going to need a distribution to license because I currently have the distribution primary operator according to the D staffing plan. Andrew is the treatment plant operator and we are backups to each other because we both
have licenses. So, um that that is a great fix to it, but it's not a short-term fix. um to the fixing everything with staffing issues. Yes, sir.
Yeah. Um just just talking about this. So, you know, this policy was I I don't understand what we're trying to accomplish with this with all this additional wording. This was just lifted from our highway contract, but it doesn't include all the language like pyramiding of overtiming. It doesn't
have that prohibition in it. There's also a lot of issues with just taking this language in a union workplace and putting it into a non-UN workplace. It just doesn't fit. I'm not quite sure what's trying to be accomplished with this because all of our personal policy and regulations well as well as federal regulations and overtime regulations
already cover this. So, we're engineering something that for trying to fit a a square into a round hole essentially. Uh and that's why it's taken over a year to get to this point. Um, when you look at the actual policy itself, you know, the water commission agrees to give an employee reasonable
notice. That really should be the water superintendent. The water superintendent should be able to rec do that on a daily basis to schedule their employee. Whereas the water commission meets every month. Maybe they miss a meeting. So now you're talking two months off. Um, it talks about short-term shift changes. You
know, this is a department of two people. I think it was going on to finish. It's a matter of u the other thing is with like the vacation time and holiday that doesn't apply to non-union employees and we have employees that do bump up against overtime.
Um it would also mean it would set a very bad precedent moving forward with the non-union employees because other non-un employees simply don't get that and they have to adhere to you know the the standard that we all have. Um I mean it references different
divisions. So this this is just a policy that doesn't apply to the water department and a lot of it just isn't really needed. What this real nexus of this issue was it was we had an employee getting paid for 4 hours no matter what
overtime um every Saturday and that was not a policy of the town of Southampton and the previous treasurer had to stop that because it's not a policy. So regardless of whatever it says in an offer letter, the offer letter cannot go against what a town policy is. If the offer letter says I'm going to get a
Ferrari as a commuting car for the town, that doesn't mean I get a Ferrari for a community car unless it says it in the policies. So there's a real issue with that. Um the other thing is, you know, going back to what the the main actual issue is, it's is how do we treat that
Saturday time? Mhm. And that's really what what needs to be focused on, not all this hours and scheduling and all that stuff that's already that's already covered in our personnel policies and procedures. Um, realistically with the amount of work that the water department has, and I
know that Brett has constantly brought up the whole the lead pipe inspections, um, there's lots of work. They're short-handed. I don't see how we can pay an employee every Saturday to come in to do, you know, maybe an hour's work, pay them four hours, actually six hours
because it's time and a half guaranteed no matter what and not have any work performed for that considering how much of a workload the water department has. So I you're essentially paying someone not to work while there's this huge amount of workload that does say in here now that they would be
considered if the if the Saturday were the We added that in there didn't take the full four hours. They've incorporated that now in that fourth or fifth paragraph that they would be considered on call for the remainder of that time. Well, on call is different from actually performing work. Yeah.
So, I agree with Scott. It's actually actually taken a extremely aggravating amount of time to cover this policy. In November, it was one paragraph of November of 2024. That wasn't good enough. Went to January 2025. It went to a bigger paragraph that that was uh
continually added last pay cycle. In the last pay cycle, how was So now it's up to three pages. I hear you. In the last pay cycle, how was it treated? I'm sorry. In the last pay cycle, how was the employee compensated? The last pay cycle. The last paycheck that they got two
weeks ago, were they paid for overtime? Well, was depends on whether or not uh I'd have to go to my calendar. Did I take a do we have a holiday in the last two weeks? So anytime he takes sick personal vacation since December of 2024,
he has not gotten overtime on the weekends. Mhm. So every time he takes sick personal vacation time to four hours though, just not at time, right? Not time and a half. Not time and a half. Right. And so I agree it's gone on too long and it has gone from a paragraph to three
pages which is not my the December 24th one. Could you just show us that one? Whatever that one paragraph was. I don't even remember. That was way back when during feels like years ago now. Yeah. And I think the only thing not to be PP but I think the only thing that
was count that was out after it was agreed upon by the the PPP board was so if he takes personal segreation he doesn't get overtime. And we had made a remark at that point that that was not the intent of our policy. It was a
omission that we thought it was very simply easily corrected with policy attempt two and now it has gone. I mean this is this is essentially what we're saying though what what you all had agreed to in I don't remember us picking this up on our November agenda. I was at I I was at that at the December
meeting I was there and Tim Tim is the one when when the committee posed back to him this means that it's 40 hours actual work. Mhm. They agreed that that's what it said, but they then said, "We're going to be sending forward another draft because that's not what our intent was."
It was an omission of because at the time it says at at a rate of one and a half times the regular base hourly rate for hours worked in excess of 20 40 hours a week. And so that was that's what we're saying or I'm saying I'm saying now. So it didn't make any,
you know, reference to computing all the um paid leave, personal time, etc. in there. So anyway, so we we know sort of what the issue I I think we've we I agree we've over complicated whatever this should policy should be. I think it just needs to be a couple of paragraphs.
So at this point I move that we approve the document labeled town administrators proposed policy for water department which includes two paragraphs. If a licensed non-salary employee of the water department who is qualified to monitor a T1 system is required to work
and authorized by the water and superintendent on either a Saturday and or a Sunday, that person shall be compensated for a minimum of 4 hours overtime at a rate of 1 and a half the employees straight time for any work performed in excess of 40 hours for that
week. Second paragraph, it is expected that the employee shall perform the functions and duties of their position for the entire 4-hour period. If there's not enough work to be assigned, the employee shall be considered on call for the remainder of the time. This policy shall expire December 31st, 2025.
And that we formally we formally accept that we formally adopt that. And then these these to all the points that were pointed out earlier and I don't think this needs to be the water department's issue at this point. The uh I think we need to find a calendar time and the TA
can rewrite this. the rest of this stuff, send it to the commission for a look at, but in the meantime, let's just square away the time and half pay. That would allow at least get that getting paid and done. That would allow the overtime pay going forward on the weekend. Correct. All right. So, that's
But personal, sick, vacation, and holiday is considered hours worked and not considered. No, it wouldn't be. So, it's going to be in the same spot we're in now with But it would get you the overtime, which you're not getting right now. But then there's 12 11 holidays that are going to
be pay periods where he's where it's not going to be over time. But this step one will authorize the new treasurer that we just met earlier to start making those payments in accordance with policy. There's more work to do and possibly have to get revisited. But at least this one specific issue gets done before the
the new treasur looks and stops the payroll. Right. So, I'd like to hand out a few more handouts that I had handed out back um about what the D requires of us in sanitary survey in 2021.
Make one thing. We have a motion on the floor first. Correct. Did we have a second? Thank you. All right. I'll second the motion just for that. We'll have discussion, but we need to keep on moving here. So the alternative is if we become a
water department of one due to compensation issues and not being able to compete with the other towns, union or not, water's water. I get it. Union has more power. But we're still competing about with those people. Um I have pay stubs from Hoyok Waterworks
that I've got paid double time on Saturdays and Sundays. So I want to put to bed the the the misconception that there is other towns are not paying but for water works unionized. Yes. Yeah. All we're saying Brett is it doesn't apply to Southampton because this water
department is not a union department. But we're competing against them and if we need to compete and keep professional staff here we're going to right now our current policy doesn't allow for that. So we're going to have to do some real policy change because it's got impact beyond the water department. It's got impact for any
non-union employee which is already quite a challenge in terms in the last year and a half we've recruited a superintendent from Hoyo. We've recruited another person from Westfield. We also had a really good candidate that was a competitor for that same position that was from Westfield as
well. Um so the we are recruiting people from other cities and towns are coming to Southampton and there are options. I mean, right now in the last two years, we've recruited at least three people for positions, right? And at that pos at that point in time, we hired Andrew, right? And you see,
but I think a challenge may be with the licensing and whatever that's required. So, at this point in time, I mean, I know there's a motion on the floor and we got to vote on it. But I I still go back to I don't it's a bigger ask for us to change the process to make an we can't make an
exception for the water department because if we approve for the water department it's approved across the town and that's a financial obligation we can't do the water department can go back and make an argument to its commissioners that because it's a non-union shop and because we're two
people and because of this this and this we need to adjust that base salary. and and just address it on that and without cuz that only impacts right now you have one hourly employee right yours is salary that's one per
versus doing this change here then opens it up to all non-union employees in town to then fall under that I love that suggestion um we'll have to look into that one other thing I wanted to discuss there is the alternative if we go end up to a oneperson department I've handed
this out before Our only alternative is is immediately we're in a uh a violation with the D. Um our only alternative right now because of there's 61 applicants and nobody is qualified. The alternative is $165 an hour to bring
in a licensed third party private company in here. And that's where we're headed. Um I'm not sure of any other besides indeed. Where else have you advertised? Um it's on Mass Ral Water. It's on um
Massachusetts Waterworks Association. I have printed off their website. Yang's still wet. 15 job applications in July, carried over 13 of them from June and 12 from May. Um just to and they don't have the qualifications. No, these are these are open positions
because of the lack of licensed treatment and distribution operators in Massachusetts. Okay. Um, so it's again it's a statewide problem and so to stay ahead of the curve to retain staff something needs to be done and if it breaks us out and I know we
can't be a union of one um Mhm. we need to do something to keep keep retain staff at the water department because I feel like it is absolutely different than that's the issue most okay jobs or uh departments in town.
So we have a motion on the floor and a second. I'd like to call for vote. So, is Perfect. Okay. All those in favor of the motion made by John. Yeah. I as a water commissioner, I support the
urgent need to provide adequate support from the staff. It's completely unsupportable the way it is. And therefore I voted in support of the policy as submitted because it was
represented to me as the newest commissioner to be consistent with the past practice as a member of the select board and understanding that um there's really no provision for an exception to the
uniform policy for non-unionized personnel. I will support the motion. John support. Okay. All right. So, one more thing I would like to add is my 4 to zero. Motion passes. My apologies cuz I was not aware that was not brought to my attention. I did
not was not aware that this policy would affect the entire town. It wasn't brought to my attention. The last every meeting we've have come in here. I don't recall that being a topic of discussion. We writing this specifically for the water department. Any because the water department is non-union.
Mhm. and the all non-union employees have to fall under the same category. So if we if it's contrary to what the current book says and then we pass it here by dist by extension, it automatically now becomes the rule for
all non-UN personnel in town because we we've in essence changed the entire policy by permitting it. So I'll be really quick on this issue. If we're going to change the um pay scale, it's going to take a modification
of the non-exempt classification because currently the water technician under the new classification scale tops out at $28 an hour. On the old pay scale, it topped out at 31. Yeah. At $31 an hour, we couldn't find people. We're definitely not going to find
people at this $28 an hour in this profession. So, that's a topic for a different disc um day. I understand this is overtime and thank you for fitting us in so we can go home to our families where the work lies. Yes. To probably the easier solution in some ways. Yeah.
Now, when can we have an open dialogue and who do I have to have it with and can I have it back here at this wage scale would be with Scott. Oh, with wage ship if that's what you want. Wage scale would be Scott. What we need to do is just have these couple paragraphs. We can type them up and if the board will allow the select board
to approve and sign the not approve but sign the u the policy that we just approved. Yeah, I can sign it tomorrow and we don't have to get everybody back together again. We'll just type up these two paragraphs that you read and um I'll sign it and that can be effect so therefore the treasur's collector can have it going
forward. Okay. Okay. We'll get that part done. Wage scale stuff is really Scott's Bailey Wake. All right. Thank you. All right. Okay. Um, moving on. I'm going to uh
actually ask that we skip the uh board committee leison because the package didn't get in the packet and I don't have it on hand. So, we'll pick it up next time. Um, we all know what we had said before in terms of any voting committees that still stands. Um, we've had a couple people that have already
started attending meetings. Um, and we haven't formalize it, but we had said that uh you had been interested, Ellen, in in Concom and CPC. So, I think we just need to keep track of those kind of meetings and then we'll get this finalized and so
forth so we can do that more correctly. But, uh anytime that they might have a meeting between now and the next meeting, feel free to zoom in or attend the meeting. So, okay. All right. Uh land use planning update. Scott, where are we on things? Uh we have the next meeting on Thursday.
um with everybody. Um the uh expanded uh internal group, this the internal working group. Okay. Uh we also had uh meetings with Dodson Flinker and the senior center building committee to uh have a few discussions on that. That went uh very well. I think they explained a lot of different items
that were maybe questioned or misunderstood on placement. Um, I think there's a little bit more of a um understanding of the process and and and some more some better options at where the senior
center can go. Mhm. Okay. All right. So, that meeting will be this Thursday. All right. Um All right. Um, so FY24 audit update, I think you talked about that briefly in terms of the progress report. Um, large part of that is still on the treasur.
And is this something that that Megan will be able to start doing or is this something we have to wait for other people? The second person you were hoping to bring on, is that something she would take the lead on or um I would have to defer to Megan on that one. Okay. All right. Okay.
But Megan has an idea of of the list of what has to come in from the treasur collector's office. Okay. All right. And um Okay. Um hazard mitigation plan update. Um is there a meeting scheduled on that too? Um we're looking at the first meeting in
September. It's been distributed to all the different um boards and committees uh for any type of uh input and that should be compiled and have a final draft in a couple weeks from meeting. Okay. And so for a September meeting and then we need to have another public hearing on that which well yeah
yeah it maybe I think it might be more beneficial to do it separate from a regular select meeting select board meeting just have another night where it's just focused on the you know a public meeting Zoom meeting for hazard mitigation plan that would be good okay
um 250th anniversary info um just two things Tammy started um briefly so uh tomorrow night's concert at Conan Park u with the time stretchers and Barry Surl uh one of our local musicians bands uh that is wellknown uh starts at 6:00 not
7:00 um in conjunction with the Lions Club and Bank of East Savings Bank uh it's a 250th event so please come and join that and then the real big one is going to be the town birthday party which is August 23rd so it's the week
after Celebrate Southampton it's a Saturday after Celebrate Southampton uh August 23rd from 5:00 to 8:00. That will be the Buddy Mccern's band also at Conet Park with um Verusana food truck as well as ice cream emergency and cupcakes. So,
we're having a birthday party. So, that should be a real fun one. Um hopefully everybody can uh have a have a good evening and come out from 5 to 8:00 on August 23rd. So, that's where we are. We've still got some things that we're mulling around for September and October, but uh nothing definitive as
yet. Okay. I think uh we got let's see how about um any other business that can't wait. Yes. Yeah. I have uh two two things. The first one is I'd like to in your packet there's a PCF that we need to approve
uh PCF related to Robin Richard. Right. Effective July 12th, 2025 part-time. Uh it's an increase weekly of up to five hours uh to be carried out within the treasur's office, not to exceed 40 hours per week. uh collectively at her uh
current rate of pay 2652. Okay. All right. And just clarity, so this is going to be obviously she's working full-time now, so she's taking some time from either highway or water or transfer station. She's not currently at 40 hours, right?
She's not currently at 40 hours. This gets her up to the 40. Oh, it gets her up to 40 hours. I'm sorry. between her highway department transfer station time and these five hours, she could do a total of 40 hours per week. I said, is she 32 or 37 right now?
Um, she's 15 at highway 2 for wastewater and up to 10 for water, which she doesn't completely use, right? Well, what it says here, highway 20, transfer five and water up water up to 15. But if she's only using all that, so that was my question. Yeah.
So, she's using it within her current time frame. Okay. All right. We had a motion and I did I hear a second? Yep. Okay. Second by Stephen. Okay. Uh, and so this will be a short-term short-term appointment here until rescended. Okay. All right. All those in favor? I I
I. And then the other item is uh Chief Ellingsworth has one or two items that should have gone to the PPP board, but they were in summer recess. So, I believe I believe they're routine and he could present them and we're going to byp I'm going to recommend we bypass PPP
because I think they're all right. They'll speak for themselves. Yeah, sure. Coming up quick. Um, so last week the PQB uh didn't meet, didn't have a quorum. So, um I had a a request for an appointment of a full-time police officer. a full-time
police officer resigned in June and a part-time police officer accepted a position to fill the position that that that officer left. Um so I submitted the PCF on um for that meeting and as you know they didn't have a quorum so they didn't attend it. So, I'm just looking
to see if, you know, if they don't meet again until the 21st and then the select board meets, you know, the following week and then the person has to give a notice. I'm looking at, you know, potentially September and u it is vacation season. Did you bring the forms with you? I
I actually I sent everyone an email just before I came. We're all locked out of our email. Oh, okay. Well, I have Scott might be able to see. All right. I have I I do have a couple copies. All right. I just need one to read into the record. Just give it to John. and they can read it out.
So, I will note that the um the offer letter or the letter and the posting and all the prerequisites to get to the job posting have been the same and previously approved by PPP. There's hasn't been any changes. So really the only thing we're doing is
um Dominic's last name Ramachi. Okay. Ramachi. He's uh and he's a local local resident. And has he been filling the parttime one? Is that Yes, he's been working part-time. So he's going from part-time to full-time status. Okay. Is so I I move that we approve a PCF
form for Dominic Ramachi of Southampton. Um pre currently he's authorized up to 19 1/2 hours part-time police officer year three hourly rate of 2574 to a new full-time status 37 1/2 hours a
week grade six with a hourly rate of $33.14. It's been approved by the chief. It's been approved by the town accountant and the step six is based on the union voted and they allowed his pay and his um benefits to be commensurate to his
time as a postcertified police officer or law enforcement officer. So he it'll amount to six years and there is a letter signed by the representative of the union. Okay. To that. All right. Very good. Okay. So second by John I'm sorry by
Stephen. Okay. Any questions for anybody? No. Okay. All those in favor of that appointment? I I So, all right. Do you want to just sign as chair and then give him back the originals? Yep. A question for the board. What does this mean now? Do I have the authorization
now to hire him or do I still have to wait until the 21st of August or PP? No, this this vote supersedes that. So, you're authorized to act on it now. Thank you very much. And all that paperwork is it is in your
email. Just before I came in, I I sent sent it to you. John, do you want to sign as PPB chair or Well, no, because the committee didn't formally vote. Okay. I mean, we'll we'll take it up, but we'll note that the select board already offered. Sounds
I mean if this was a new spot or an existing then I'd say we have to go through it's an existing that's budget for right okay all set. Yeah. Well, thank you very much. All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right. We voted. Yeah.
Okay. Uh we are going to um Well, we were going to go out to do the cannabis on on the executive session and come back in because we've got to come back in if we vote on this. We've got to come back in public session. So, the cannabis executive session was going to happen like now.
Okay. And then we'll come back in. So, um I would like to say the magic word. Uh have this meeting temporarily adjourned. I guess that's the word at the moment. But we will go into
executive session briefly for uh discussion around MGL or per MGL chapter 3A section 21A3 to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigating position of the public body and the
chair so declares and this is regarding the cannabis host community agreement. So, if I could have that with the stipul or the added language that we will return to we will return. So, we will return after the uh after the executive session and
just finish off a couple of other items on the on the agenda. So, so moved. Okay. Have a second on that. Second. All right. Roll call vote, please. Lumber I. Johnson. Ruin I. Fowl's eye. Okay. We are going to be adjourned at I will say the correct time
tonight about 7:06. Um and uh we will go into executive session briefly and then we will come back. We'll let Eastampton media know. Thank you. They turn off the microphone on their end. Good for them. All right.
Okay, folks. Um do we need to reopen our call back? Yeah, we're okay. We're just calling us all back to order after the executive session. Okay. So, we are back in order here at about 7:17. Like to um make make a motion that the
town of Southampton enter into an agree host agreement community agreement with Vulcan LLC and that uh we approve the agreement presented to us in executive session and authorized the chair to sign on our behalf. Okay. I second approval of the community
host agreement. Okay. And just a note that this is a three-year agreement that would take effect upon our signature. All right. All those in favor, I'll take vote. I I I Okay. The motion passes. So, we will go ahead and sign or I will sign on
behalf of the board theo the new revised host community agreement. Thank you very much. I move approval of the April 24th, 2025 minutes. Second. All right. Any comments? If not, all those in favor?
I I Okay. Meeting minutes are approved. And then I think we have some warrants for Stephen. Oh, my favorite part. Excuse me. We spent some money.
Warrants are PD25-50A. The amount $278,64282. W25-51. The amount is $233,52622. P25-52, the amount is $322,3102. PD25-52
the amount is $56,425 and46 W25-53 the amount is $196,58625. Lastly W26-1 the amount is1,357,081 and 58 cents.
That's our first warrant for fiscal 26. All right. Okay. Uh under old business, is there any updates, Scott, on U um Bradley is uh putting money on the uh debit card for the ADA doors? So, we're ordering those very soon.
So, those will be ordered. Okay, good. Um we have to put our bank card in to access the building. Um, I'm gonna work with Megan on uh maybe having a limited credit card available rather than
Yeah, it's credit card issue to buy these things. That's all. I thought it was a new revenue generating. Yes. Yeah. No, that'd be great to get like an employee passc card. That's $2 to pass. $2 to pass. I would.
Yeah. So, yeah, do it. I have well I just have issues with with municipal credit cards but um East Savings Bank who I believe is still the primary bank that we utilize here um or people's both for other communities
will uh it's like a pre-load debit card where you just the treasurer can just transfer the money to the account and it's there to be used. Um. Mhm. And then sometimes, well, it's a little different over here, but at the city side, we'd require the warrant ahead of time before the money would be moved.
Right now, is it just one person that has authorization to use it or what is the um the treasurer and then the accountant has to move the money around and then the treasur has to double check and then it's given to the department head. I see. Okay. So, there can be times when they order through the credit card,
right? Okay. And that's actually one of the things that Megan forgot to mention. We're going to start paying a lot of stuff through a so right now we send checks to Amazon, we send checks to Zoom, which creates timing issues and interest and penalties. Goodness, the more we can do electronically go,
that would be a major thing. Plus just just the ease of just getting the books up to date, right? It's got to save many days off of I was very pleased to see that we threw out the typewriter. So that we are making progress pretty much. Pretty much. Oh goodness. thought it was too much to ask for as
after the mimograph went. We do have we still have society when you really need it. We still have one instance of using carbon paper that that will be part of the online permitting for stuff. So that is the one I miss winding the microf
actually one of the machines that was downstairs in our excess stuff that Judy was selling was um uh what was that the oh gosh was it the projector with the red pencil. pretty close. No, it's the thing you would use the library. The um microfish, I guess it was microfish. Yeah, it was a
microfish machine. Yeah, I think it was. It was sitting down there in the corner somewhere. I was like, what is this thing? So, yeah, I think we we'll come back to excess equipment on some other meeting. We've got more stuff to to approve to get off the books, too. Okay. Um not seeing anything else on the agenda. Our
next select board meetings are August 5th and August 19, I believe. Uh did we miss anything on the agenda? I think we covered it all even though we kept hopping around on our order. Yep. All right. So, with that, I'll take a motion to adjurnn.
So moved. Second. All right. All those in favor? I I I All right. I think we are adjourned at 7:23. Thank you very much. Apologies.