Um, let's call to order the August 5th meeting of the board of health at 6:00 pm. Um, present are Terry Putnham, >> Erica Crowy, Trish Leiniac,
>> Tom Hmer, >> Trisha Sudlo, >> Kaen Simons. Okay. And is Cindy with us, too? Yep. Cindy. >> Hi, Cindy. >> Hi. How are you?
>> Good. Nice to nice to virtually see you or see your name. >> Okay. Do we have anybody in the audience for public comment? >> Nope. >> Okay. So, did we get a chance to review the
minutes? I did just now. any con any um corrections or additions? Boy, Trish, I've never seen you imp. >> It's been a while. >> Yeah, that no. No, no, no. Good to see you. >> That's a lot of stuff coming every
month. >> I did. Yes. >> Um, so any corrections or additions or anything to the minutes? >> I couldn't find anything. Me neither. >> Yeah, I didn't see anything in the brief
time I I um looked at it. So, none from from Trish from >> No, no, I'm sorry. >> Both of them. Sorry. >> Okay. Trish one and two. Well, I'm on a survey with three Teresa. So, you know, I'm I'm a little mixed up right now. Um
Okay. So, do I hear a motion to accept the minutes as written? >> Yes, accept the motion. uh to accept the minutes as written. >> Okay. Do I hear a second? >> I second that. >> Okay. All in favor?
>> Trish. >> Erica. Okay. All right. Then that carries unanimously. So I will turn the agenda now, sir, because it looks like the the updated perk expiration policy and everything you can you can fill us in on.
>> Okay. Um first are you planning to hang around? Do you want us to skip to It's up there way if you want to talk about that. >> Okay. >> Yeah, go ahead. >> I don't think this will take too long. So, we've talked about this um before
and so knock we haven't had too many lately, but um but it does happen a lot where a perk uh and that this is the town of Southwick um disposal system regulation. So, it's a supplement to the state code.
And on the the document I sent um is three pages and the top of the second page is the section I'm referring to. Um so, in the state code, there's no expiration for perk tests. Um as long as there the site hasn't been disturbed and
you can tell where it was and um that sort of thing. But um this in the Southwork regulation, it says they expire after 5 years. Um but it also says validity of a soil suitability assessment after expiration shall re be
reviewed on an individual basis. Verification of the assessment results, the precise location of the assessment tests and any change in the topography or drainage at or near the assessment sites shall be provided to the board of health. The board of health at any time may
require additional percolation tests or soil evaluation tests to be performed for confirmation of a previous test at the expense of the owner. Um so we had talked about just removing this entirely
um but without having to go through the process of changing our regulations. Um it's kind of vague the way that case by case basis is is written. Um, the first time I ran into it when I started, I had brought someone wanted to use an older
perk test. I had brought it to the board. Um, and I said, "How how do you want to handle this? Do you want to vote on it every time? Do you want me to review it, make a decision, and report it to you?" Um, and that board at that time said, "We'd like to to vote on it."
So, um, kind of a a quick solution rather than doing the public hearing and all that, which we could still do maybe when we do the wellregs and kind of save time and effort of kind of like last year we did the tobacco and the um the food rag at the same time at the same
hearing. Um, we could kind of do that if we if we did want to change it, but um, so it's up to you guys, but I was I was going to ask that you consider changing the the policy um, to be to what happens is
someone will, you know, I'll get a call tomorrow and someone's like, I want to use an old perk test and then I have to say, well, we don't meet again until September, so you can send me the plan, but I can't officially approve it and you can't install until after our next meeting. Um
so um so I would request that um the board considers changing the policy um because it is vague and because I'm an agent of the board um that would just the policy would allow me to make a decision to use an older perk test while
I'm reviewing the plan. Um, and then if I do that at the next meeting, I would report it to the board and just say they had a expired perk test, but it was, you know, still the pipe was still there and the soils hadn't changed, the topography hadn't changed, and it was um suitable
to to still use it. >> Do you know the history as to why we went more stringent than the state? >> Um, I don't I don't exactly. Um, I think some some towns have it for, um,
you know, generating funds. Um, I don't know if that's necessarily the case here, but I have heard of towns doing that is, you know, if you got to perk it again, you got another perk fee. And, um, sometimes in smaller towns, the the fees are how
they pay their inspectors. Um, which, you know, doesn't isn't really what applies here in Southwick. So, um I don't know if that was the case or maybe they just had a string of people trying to get away with get away with
stuff. Um I'm not I'm not sure, but um >> so with the perk test, the time it expires, why do they expire? Can there be an acute change in the soil that over the time that would cause >> Not not really. I like I've never
thought it really made any sense to have them expire because you know this the soil it takes thousands and thousands of years for the soil to be you know created and it was mostly deposited in this area by the glaciers. So
you know if if someone um you know if you there was a lot of perks on like a wooded site and then they clearcut it and stripped out a bunch of material. Um, but that would be if they did that even without this being in the board of
health regulation, it's in the code that if it's been altered, >> okay, >> that the board of health could still say, "Hey, this this doesn't look like what what it was when it was parked, so let's let's redo it." Um, >> okay. >> And it still needs to be inspected before they can go and build anyway,
right? >> So, if there is a problem, someone's going to see it and can report it, >> right? And there like there was one um there was one un noble steed that the perk was expired. Um but also really more of the reason that I denied the
plan was there was the driveway and the perks were under the driveway and the system was going to be next to the driveway. >> So even if the perk wasn't expired, I still would have said, "Hey, this doesn't this isn't going to fly. you
that's you put your driveway there, you you ruined your perk, you got to do another one. Um and luckily they did cuz the area where they had put it next to the driveway didn't perk and they had to move it back to the one area on the lot that did perk. So, um, so even without it
expiring, um, I still it was and like I even if we never changed the regulation, if we just made it so it was more at my discretion, I and it because that's the thing I don't like. I It's not that I'm opposed
to asking the board to vote on it and formalize it. It's just that I feel bad hanging people up >> um and saying, "Oh, you know, you can't you can't I can't officially approve your plan for a month or for another
three weeks sort of thing. So, um because most of the ones lately have been um things that were perked, you know, six years ago, like a lot of the ones at the South and Country Club. Um, and a lot of times when someone's
like has raw land, even smaller developments from the time they buy the land and they first do the perks, it often is, you know, at minimum it's like two, three years. So it's it's not unheard of for that process to go more
than five years. So um, >> so another thing to look at then I know you're following state regulation, but the number of years it expires, >> right? And currently it's >> it's five five. >> Yeah. >> Can that be increased? >> Yeah, we could. This is the this is your
>> Yeah. >> the board of health regulation. So, we could do we could do anything with it. So, um I think five I'm not wholly opposed to having the expiration cuz in that one the Noble Steed instance it it was kind of nice to have one more
thing to be able to say well not only is it expired or not only is it in the wrong place it's also expired by our local regulation. So it kind of gives you like a one-two punch sort of thing. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. Um so so that could be a solution too would
be to um you know to say to say 10 years or >> 15 years or something like that. >> And do we know what other towns do? >> Um I don't think a lot of other towns have a have an expiration. >> Don't even have it. Interesting. Okay.
>> Like I know in Westfield we didn't have it. We just went by the the state code for that. Um, there's some towns that I could try to find out what because I know there we're not the only town that has an expiration, but >> is there any way in which like having the expiration holds builders
accountable for something or is it just kind of there? >> I think it's just kind of there because I have to I have to review the plan anyway. >> Yeah. Um, so you know, if I if there's an inconsistency with the plan and the
perk, I would hopefully identify that during during that time. Um, so >> so basically before anything before occupancy is approved, you have to look at the plan anyway. So, if they're doing
another another um driveway kind of kind of thing, you would know about that before even if it was even if it was not expired. >> Yeah. No. So, it would only be the I would only if I was doing something with a driveway, I wouldn't see that, but
only for the um for like the actual system itself when they're putting it in. So, whether it's for new construction or for a repair if their system fails and they're replacing it. >> Okay. Uh, >> so you'd still have the ultimate, you know, you can't put it in that place, >> right? Okay.
>> Right. So, if there if there was a problem, >> um, if they're trying to use an older perk and something had had happened, it would usually be be it would come up uh during that that process. Um,
so, so like I, like I said, I don't I don't hate having it in there because it kind of gives you that extra step of, um, you know, when someone calls, hey, I have a six-year-old perk. And then I'll usually I'll usually go do a driveby and see, you know, it's a lot with tall
grass, they cleared it and haven't changed anything. And, oh, I can still see the PVC pipe where the perk was. Um, and kind of verify it. So it it is kind of an extra um sort of check and check and balance. But um
>> but but then even during during construction if um you know this would be more of an expense to the property owner. Um but if say something had changed and we didn't catch it, >> they do they dig out where the system's
going to go and if it looked completely different than what it was they had reported, >> right? um the engineer looks at it. Sometimes the board of health will look at it and the installer um usually would know enough to say, "Hey, this this doesn't look right." And then at that
point, if you had to make some changes, you could. Although, usually you don't want to wait till that late, but um but that's kind of the final the final check and balance would be that inspections during construction before they they dig the hole, before they put everything in. You could say, "Oh, wait. This isn't
this doesn't look good." Well, and and I'm not opposed to what Trish suggested. You know, we could lengthen the time but still have your still have that oversight and and you know, I have no problem, but it would certainly depend
on on Eric and Trish into giving you a little more concrete uh uh we we don't want anybody to have to wait a month or or wait if it's summer, but but still having I I tell you some of the instances that you've
told us about over the last oh gosh, two years or whatever I've been on the board kind of lead me to think we I I would still like some oversight for you before things get a little too far along. Um >> but I I I don't know what the two of you think, but I I think lengthening the
time like you suggested. Um but still giving you leeway so that you can do, you know, you you you don't have to depend on us to vote on it before you decide. And and you need some some parameters that are objective. So it's not okay. I like I like you Sally better
and I know you would never do that but I like you Sally so we going to go ahead and approve yours but you know you pulled out in front of me the other day so I I'm gonna but um so I I don't know what what do you two think about that?
>> I think I agree with you. I it's tough especially knowing that other towns don't even have an expiration. So then it's like these are hurdles that are unnecessary in a sense. So I do think that I mean given the leeway maybe just um adjusting that maybe just figuring
out what other towns are doing and that way we have some kind of reference to say hey we did this because we looked and not just randomly picking a number so to speak >> right >> and that actually eases us into something like that. So if we all of a
sudden get get a call, hey our revenue, you know, the revenue is really decreased. What are you doing? And I don't want to do what we do because of revenue. But but we also want to uh you know be reasonable. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And there's also I mean this is
something that we could always change now to instead of five years say we do eight years and then Tom also has oversight and we can re-evaluate it in a year or even two years and then if it's like well there weren't really any hiccups it still seems kind of unnecessary
>> and >> right >> revisit. That's a good idea. >> Okay. So, so do we do you want us to vote tonight, Tom, or you want to see you you know how we're feeling. Do you want to pull some other towns and bring it back? >> Yeah. So, that's up to you guys. So, if
if we want to go with um you know, changing the time frame and then still having the board vote, we would have to um change the regulation um because in the regulation it's clearly five years. So, we would have to do do a public hearing
and that sort of thing. And um I can't imagine anyone would come to the public hearing for this because um >> we would be >> there's probably like five people in town that would be remotely interested in it and they but anyway um so the only
thing we could officially do tonight would be if you wanted to change the policy um based on that section for C where it says it's reviewed on an individual basis. Um, if you were if you were comfortable
at this time, just to say that uh you were okay with me reviewing them and then reporting to you at the following board meeting um any uh any expired perks that were allowed. Um,
and I won't be I won't be upset or offended if you want to do a little more research before we take that step cuz realistically we get I mean there was a stretch where we had like one a month. Um I haven't had any in a little while. Um so knock on wood. Um
>> so is there I guess my only question is because I I don't know. Um, is there any liability say with the town if you say go ahead and then they did have a problem and it wasn't you know what I mean? >> I don't
I don't know. That's something to consider cuz that that kind of makes me think by having the expiration we're kind of creating that liability whereas if there was no expiration we can say it's a state code you know they don't expire in the state code. >> Yeah.
>> Um >> so yeah >> is it guess I want to make sure it's not setting you up for something where somebody gets upset with you. Well he said I could do it >> right >> and here we are >> right. >> You know what I mean? So I don't I don't know what the right answer is.
>> Yeah, that is um that is interesting. I would think I would think not because they have to get a plan done by a an engineer or a sanitarian. Um so I would think it would more fall on the person who designed the system,
maybe not doing maybe they didn't do their due diligence to say that it was still that perk was still usable. >> Okay. Um but but I get theoretically I mean you can sue anybody so >> they they could if they were that mad they could sue the
>> don't you >> um so >> sue Happy World. >> Yeah. So >> so I don't know. So I I I guess with that being said maybe I'll before we do anything I'll um try to find out what some other towns do and um and we can
revisit this at the next meeting. I think that would be good to get more information before just going ahead and doing it and then looking back. >> Right. >> Right. Right. >> So, do do we need to vote on we're okay with tableabling it right now and get more information from from but we're not
really changing anything. So, I don't see that we need to vote on that if the two of you are in agreement of that >> of seeing what what information's out there. >> And it's not that we don't trust you, Tom. We also don't want you to be hanging out on a limb by yourself. what I'm more concerned about because I think
you're very capable in making that judgment call, but I want to make sure that >> you're not hung out to dry, right, >> in the instance where you do come across someone that >> Right. Yeah. Okay, sounds good. Thank you. >> Well, if if my driveway falls in because
I use an expired perk and I put thing under there, it's your fault because you you didn't stop me from doing that. So, >> yeah, that's a good point, both of you. That good good conversation there. >> Yeah,
thank you. >> Well, do you want to you can keep going and and we can have Trish do her nursing report. She's been And you have a lovely haircut, by the way. >> And uh uh please go ahead.
>> All right. Thank you. So Cindy, would you send um our board members the correct report um so that they'll have the July of 2025 report? You have an old report from last year. But >> that's on me. >> That's Yes, I was.
But no, she'll send you the right ones. But anyways, really what I've been doing is just a lot of training. I've been having a lot of success with stop the bleed trainings. Um actually I I was told by many people that I am the only one in really this part of the state
even Worcester area uh west because no one's doing it. There's a few people out east doing it. Um so we have done it for all um my three towns Southwick, Talland and Graanville. Um I did it for the South DPW. I've done at the library a few times. I've actually been asked by a
state trooper to assist him in trainings because he couldn't find anybody and under stop the bleed guidance one trainer can only train 10 people. So we tried to maximize and do like 20. So and he's doing it for schools. So of course with high school students you might have
15 or 16 in class. So I assisted him twice. Um and I'm sure I'll be hearing from him once school starts again because yeah it's unfortunate no one's doing it. So we have had really good success with that. Trained many people and um I even did the Granville Fire
Department and um Taland a lot of people showed up to Taland for the class. So but they are coming from all over the state. I had two people come to the Salt Lake and they were from Grafton which is an hour and a half drive. So >> insanity, right? But yeah, it's been
going really well. And then I also created a nut a nutrition presentation because we had sent out like a survey to all our talents saying what do you want? And one of the big asks was nutrition. So because nutrition is so broad, I narrowed it down to like summer seasonal
fruits and vegetables. What's the health benefits? And that went over really well. I did it here in the South Senior Center and um you know she put out like healthy vegetables and things and fruits and u we had a good showing. So, I'm doing more with the South Hook Senior
Center now that Lisa's the director. Um, she's going to do that with me like quarterly, which is good because I need time to come up with presentations. So, and then we order, we can pay for brochures through our grant. So, then we order nice brochures to go with it and we hand them out on the topic. So, the
next one I'm going to work on is like unhealthy fats and um sugar. So, that's next. Yeah. Um, so it's been really good with the presentations and I did give you the list Harry. I have the list here for you, but I could email it to you so you it's for all our towns of what we've
been doing. And um, Maryanne, who is the nurse for um, our other three towns, she's been doing a lot of like um, hands only CPR cuz that's what their ask was. And she'll do a lot of cuz they don't get the same number of people that of course I get here in South. So it's more
smaller at the senior centers. So she'll do like table talk discussions and I think Bamford she goes up twice a month or something so there's more of a crowd there. Montgomery is kind of small. Um they don't get high numbers and um Russell kind of same thing but she goes
to this the COA all the time. So um and as far as infectious disease really it's um tick right now few salmonellas but that I've had to investigate but um yeah tick lime and everything. lime
uh besiosis and anoplasmosis. That's what we're seeing. So, um and then COVID the numbers were low. I think it's starting to tick up a little. Um and flu-l like illness over the summer has really been low. I don't
I don't haven't had one case. And COVID, it's hard because we have all the home testing. So, we get the numbers through the portal through the state, but it's all it's PCR. So, it the numbers are low. We're not getting the home numbers at all. We don't capture that. Um, we just know it from the wastewater. So,
and I've heard a lot of people talk about having COVID and then getting hit with like pneumonia on top of it. So, that's like what's going on with the COVID now. It's really affecting the lungs a lot and it could be that new variant that's out there. >> And I did hear on a webinar today that
as far as the COVID vaccine, as we all know, um, they're not pushing it for everybody. It's only going to be high-risisk people and but if you go to somewhere and you say, "I'm a high-risisk person. I want the COVID vaccine." They're supposed to give it to you. So, they shouldn't question it, but
you have to be high-risisk to get COVID. It's not going to be for everybody. Flu should be for everybody. So, >> can I ask um so stop the bleed? >> Yes. >> Is that just as it sounds like teaching people how to stop a major bleed? >> Yeah. So you teach them like wound
packing and um then tourniquet as the last option. So a lot of people don't know how to apply a tourniquet. So >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And what prompted the education on that specifically? >> We I'm a member of the Western Mass um Association of Public Health Nurses and
they had Bay State come in and train us. >> Okay. >> And that's kind of what prompted it and they said that people are looking for training and they are and I was surprised. I mean it was something that came around years ago of course because of what was you know happening in the
world back then and um but now I mean it's not just for major catastrophic it's for every day >> and you know farm equipment boating it's all things that right and you know and I say to them because there's pictures in the in the slideshow and it's like this
is everyday stuff you know >> um axes of course you know anything like that so it's like and I say when I do it here like okay who was chopping wood yesterday and then they all raised their hand. I'm like, great. So, it's not just for shootings, right? It's for everyday
life and of course car accidents. So, it was all that that prompted it. So, >> okay. >> Yeah. Thank you. >> And we had bought the um we have like this leg that we use and it has wounds in it and then we bought um some additional wounds to like little ones but the leg was quite large but they the
grant paid for that. So, yeah. And then I did it for employees. out with two. We sent around an email, asked if anyone was interested, and I think I had like eight. So, but it was up to them if they wanted to sign up. So, and the employees asked me to do like a blood drive. I tried, but there's not enough people.
There was like five people that in town hall that I surveyed and um you know, Bay State wants more and I get that. I mean, I appreciate I'm not going to have them come out here for five people cuz they said we could advertise it to the public. Well, there's no How do I know how many people would come? I don't.
There's no way to quantify that data. So, I'm like, I can't waste their It's not It's to me. So, >> you know, because Nicole, the um town um administrator was like, "Yeah, she was all about it." She's like, "Yeah, I would, you know, she was one of the
people that signed up for it." But, but yeah. Yeah. So, unfortunately, I >> wonder if that's something we could have enough people next time we do our health fair or something like that. >> Yeah, maybe that's a good idea. We try to see if they would come out. >> All the vendor all the vendors would be doing I know they would need the space though,
so that's the thing. And the auditorium would be the space. So unless >> come up with something else, but we could work on it. >> Yeah, >> with enough time maybe people would come and that could draw them. I a lot of people are afraid of blood donations. So may not entice everybody, but >> they're big needles.
>> Yeah. For the blood donations. >> So you really have to be someone that >> Yeah. >> donate. So >> like what age? >> I think they do 14s. >> Yeah, I think you're right. Well, maybe you partner your stop the bleed with donating blood so people know you can
stop it. >> True, right? >> Yeah. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I have to keep thinking how do we get them to Yeah. Because I I mean I try to do things. We just don't get I mean, you know, we don't have a ton of employees either, so we also have to consider that.
>> Well, I I applaud you for doing surveys. you know, in in hospitals, the big thing is population health and surveys and actually targeting things for what's going on in Southwick. That, you know, that thank you for that. Um,
>> and and for being on the forefront of trying, you know, when I think stop the bleed, I I I think of Cape Cod, you know, and and that's where a lot of that stuff is. But you're right, I I hadn't thought about the everyday stuff outside of the traumatic events that we have.
So, thank you. >> Yes. And I even had school nurses come to the training. It's, you know, younger school nurses. It's like because >> when you go to nursing school, you're not really taught to put on a tourniquet. I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but you know, people >> No. And I actually thought of this too
with my son plays hockey. And in this past year, there was one kid in Connecticut and another again where they took a blade. Yes. >> Wow. >> Yes. >> So, that's a tough one to stop. >> Yes. >> Yes. So it's like, oh, this would be beneficial to people in the rink because
that's like that's urgent. That's like >> Yeah. >> So I'm like, well, I wonder if there's something with that that people could learn on the >> Yeah. And I mean, I think what even with the state police officer, what he said is they're trying to work it into CPR, >> which makes sense. So when they're
teaching CPR, they're hoping to be able to teach stop the bleeding at the same time. >> Okay. >> I mean, it's rough because CPR is so long as it is. Mhm. >> And this is at least 40 minutes >> depending on how long how many people you have and how long it takes them to do the hands-on training. But I mean the
PowerPoint is really 30 to 45 minutes. So >> So it would be long but maybe people would do it if given the opportunity to. So >> is it required for police and >> I think so. Yes. Yeah. Because I even had the gentleman who runs the active shooter program. He called me and he's
he took my class. Like it was amazing to me the people that were taking the class. I was like >> how come you don't have this training like it's just something that they I think they did it years ago and people lost their certificates. But now in order to like become a trainer you need the certificate. So I think they're
pushing that more and I think more and more people want to be trainers and I encourage people you know if you want to be a trainer do it because there's no trainers >> and we need that. So, um, yeah. So, it was it was it was a learning experience for me and all the different people I
saw and yeah, it was it was great. And I mean like a um hiking club I had, I'm like, "Yeah, this is great. If you're out there in the woods, you need to especially rural, you can't get, you know, takes forever to get services." So, >> so yeah.
Any qu any other questions? Who knows? >> One thing just to add on the stop the bleed is with all the grant we also were able to get um one for each town hall um a like almost like an AED case >> um but it has like the stop the bleed
kits in it. So there's >> um like a a tourniquet uh the packing gauze gloves. >> Um so that way I when they put it up in town hall they didn't really give us the best spot. It's pretty central, but it's
like if you come in this back door here, and then you look down the half staircase to the basement, you'll see it on the wall there. >> So, it's central, but it's like maybe would have been better to be on the first floor or even in that lobby there, but um I guess there wasn't enough wall
space to hang it. So, um, but with the grant, we had to get special permission and, um, but because we were doing the classes, they allowed us to get, um, one for each of the six town halls in the grant. So, >> so hopefully we never have to use it. >> Yeah,
>> that's what I always say to everybody. Hopefully you'll never use this training in your life, but now you know, >> right? >> You know, everybody takes something different from training. So, if you remember one thing, you know, just you do the best you can, especially if you're helping a stranger. So, do the best you can.
>> All right. Well, thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> See you next month. Well, I won't see you next month. I'll be on vacation that day. So, I'll see you in October. >> You have a nice vacation. >> We did bump it a week. So, you might see >> Oh, you did? So then I will see you. >> I was going to check that. I
>> It'll be the ninth. >> I wrote down the wrong one and then I was looking at my notes. I was like, "Oh, wait. I think we pushed that to the 10th." >> I will see you then. Wait a week. >> September. >> Tuesday of the 9th. >> It's not the second, >> I think. Right. Or did we agree to do it
on the second? >> I thought on in October I thought it was the seventh. Or did we? >> That's the seventh. >> That's still But I won't be here. So I don't think And I think you weren't going to be here, right, Tom? And we needed >> Although my my my training that day got
cancelled, so >> Well, my trip to Peru has not been cancelled. So >> that's good. I will not be there. >> We're checking the minutes to see if it's in there. >> Yeah. >> Did you want it?
>> I don't think I saw it, but I I could have skimmed over it. >> I'm pretty sure we kept it that >> it should be in there. >> Yeah. Meeting schedule page two all the way at the bottom. >> September 2nd. It is. And it's October 7th. You're right. So, it is September.
That's all right. October. I got an account picked. So, that one's good. I know he talked about it. >> So, are we changing or we aren't changing? Are we leaving it at September o October 7th? >> Oh, that's the one right thinking about
that. >> That's I mean, it should be fine for me. >> I mean, as long as Trish and and um Erica are are good, I'll be thinking of you. Maybe not. But I I'll be >> You don't want to call in from Peru? >> Yeah, probably not.
>> Probably not. >> I'll be tending llamas or something by then. Um, so we could, you know, we could we got one more meeting before we have to order. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, because I put that one tenatively in for the 14th. >> Yeah, I could I could certainly do the
14th. >> So, I don't know. >> It's up to up to you guys. I'm good with uh >> I could do seventh or 14th. I'm good with any of them. >> Uh October, >> yes, >> the 14th is less desirable, but I can easily make it work. I prefer the seventh, but I can
make the 14th work if I need to. >> Yeah. And and I can certainly I mean, the three of you can certainly do it without me and keep Yeah. you know, I'll review everything ahead of time maybe and we can we can certainly talk afterwards if there's any
>> that. >> Yeah, it it is night. I mean, sometimes it's better to push it, but it is nice to keep the date because sometimes when we push it and then we meet three weeks later, I'm like I I feel like we met like last last week. I don't have anything. >> I'm certainly okay.
>> Our schedule Okay, sounds good. I love y'all but but not again. I love you. >> Hi Trish. Good night. >> See you Trish. >> Thank you Trish. >> And are the general updates Kaen? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> I just have a few things.
>> You have >> Yes. So to start, we had the FY25 report due to the state on the 31st of July. So that went great, we have everything into the system. um we'll be giving back the
funds from FY25 in September. So that's good. Um another thing that I kind of wanted to piggyback off of what Trisha said was after that survey, we kind of saw one of the highlights was cardiovascular health. So the nurses already do our BP clinics, but we
definitely wanted to start working on some sort of program within the six towns. So, we're going to start kind of brainstorming that um and hopefully have that as a focus in our work plan for FY26 um as well. So, that's that should be
good for the next year. And then also the last thing I sent to the board today was our website went live. So, we have our Western Hampton County Public Health District website now. So, that'll be nice to kind of have updates and be able to have everything in one location. Um,
so yeah, that's all I have. >> Okay, sounds good. Any questions for Kaen? Thank you, Kaen. >> Yeah, no problem. >> All right, now the rest of the the rest of the floor is for you, sir. >> Oh, lucky me. Thank you.
>> Um, >> looks like you sent us some interesting attachments. That's >> Yes. Yes, I did. So, um, for my the health director's report I sent on the email, Terry, you have the one from August 204.
So, I didn't >> I thought it sounded a little familiar. What? Yeah. Okay. >> I didn't um they were both in the same folder and I just dragged the wrong one over to my email. And when I was setting up the folders right before the meeting, I realized it. So, I we have the right
one here, but I didn't have time to resend it. So, sorry about that. Okay. But so but uh Cindy or you'll resend it afterwards. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> I can resend it. Um so we've had uh 13 new applications in
the last month, $1,600 in fees. Um a thousand of that was the tobacco violation. So we'll get to that. Um four perk tests, a few housing inspections, a few um food inspections. Um, and I actually have started taking Caen out to
do a few um food truck and um and another right we did another restaurant inspection. So, um that and then with housing, there's one thing that I'm going to actually add to this report that I forgot. Um so I will
send everyone a new version anyway. Um there was a housing complaint at um Erand Circle. Um so this is someone who who frequently calls with with issues there, but um if you're not familiar, it
is um a um I I think it's I think it's exclusively for seniors, but it's um on Sheep Pasture Road. Um, and it's I don't know, maybe 30 or so apartments um for seniors. And
the um >> Oh, I've seen that before. >> Yeah. >> Just not too far past the church. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um so there you can see the the trees. So this um this person was complaining about it. One of the trees um and there are like three trees that
you can see closer to the road. there's like the big field and then the trees and then the that first building there. Um so um one of the trees had some like dead leaves in it and um so this person complained and I went out and I
explained I'm you know not really there's not much in the health code about trees. Um the only time that I really in the the housing sanitary code would do anything about a tree is if it was like an truly an imminent hazard. if there was like a lightning strike or a a
dangling branch that was like if you don't do something right now it's going to fall and crush the house. Um but I humored her and and you know talked to her and um so I said you know I can it is weird that there's all these dead leaves on here. I don't think that's
totally normal. Um so I'll send an email to the property manager and just say hey maybe you want to have an arborist look at it. But I was clear with them. I'm not ordering you to do anything. I don't have the authority to do that and I don't think there's any imminent hazard here for me to to do so. So, um they had
had someone look at it and um the person said it's fine, but if you want you can thin out some branches. I don't know if they ever did it. Then I got another call from the person that um a lot of bark was falling off of the tree and I was like, "Well, that sounds weird, but
I'm not a tree guy." So, so I went out again and met with her and um and sure enough there was a lot of bark on the ground like it's like thin kind of papery bark and um so I took a I took a picture of the tree and the phones now
come up with a thing and it says it's an American sycamore. So then I look up sycamore peeling bark and for American sycamore trees if my phone identified it correctly is um >> it's natural. it's naturally the bark every few years or whatever the bark
peels off and that's just how it goes. >> And so I showed her a picture on my phone of another tree that looked exactly the same as as that one. Um and I said like I explained the imminent hazard thing to her again and she was um not thrilled with me. But um but what
made me think of this was a conversation about being sued. Um, and I said, you know, he's more than welcome. Some the tree falls, you're more than welcome to try to sue the town. I I don't know what else to tell you. So, um, but, uh, but I did just want to report anytime there's
someone unhappy that I can't help like that, I like to make sure I tell you guys about it because, um, >> so yeah, I probably do have pictures in my phone. Um, so that I didn't put in my written report, but I will add that and
resend it out. Um, 256 College Highway. Um, we did go back to court and um, he did show up this time and they so they kind of modified the order and added um, changed a couple of the dates and added penalties. Um, so I think one of the
dates is coming up. So I should I got to look at that tomorrow. >> That's the one with all the cards. >> Yes. Um, so now if he for any one of the thing because he has to get us a report for what he's going to do for the rest of the stuff and he
has to get finally get rid of all the cars. Um, so now there's once it's documented, he's not in compliance and the expiration date is up. Um, it's a per day fine. Um, so if he doesn't act quickly, then
that the fines will quickly stack up and they will eventually be a lean on his property and then eventually he won't have any equity in the property. So, um, so he agreed to it. So, um, hopefully that means he I don't want to go down the path of having to >> go out there every day and say, "Oh,
it's still in violation." Like that's a lot of work and I don't want to have to deal with all that. So, when >> that start? Uh, it's probably probably this week. I gotta double I gotta double check the dates tomorrow. >> Now, is there a reason why he hasn't been able to get rid of the stuff or is
he's just non-compliant? >> Um, he's he's had excuses. Um but so I don't I think maybe there's some reasons, but also um he hasn't been exactly been
forthcoming, which the or the town the town attorney and the the judge kind of both said like, you know, if you're not like if if you had said, "Hey, I'm trying my best, but I had whatever medical or this or that. Um you know,
can I can I have an extra week?" we probably would have been like, "Okay, yeah, we'll come out and um but we just kind of got radio silence." So, um so and unfortunately with no building in this was kind of a joint thing between building and health, but unfortunately
um with no building inspector, it's just a health thing for now. So, um but hopefully they fill that and then I don't have to deal with this alone and I can have, you know, one day the building inspector going to go out, I can go out the next day, sort of thing. up. Um but
so that's progressing along and and hopefully I think him agreeing to um to the terms and the fines and everything that means he's actually going to get it done. But time will tell I guess. Um so crepes tea house. So I
attached a letter that I sent um and then I'll just give a little bit of backstory. Um because this has started before Erica was here and maybe even before
Trish was on the board too. >> Um so >> it's been out there for a couple years. Yeah. >> Close to where I live because I'm I'm on Raybrook. >> Okay. >> Literally right there. >> Yeah. Um so
they I think during COVID and those shortly thereafter when things were reopening um at Crepes Tea House they built those three structures in the back and they were on their building permit and I think when they went to planning
and conservation um they were called gazeos. I think they still call them gazeos. Mhm. >> Um but that is very much not what most
people would consider to be a gazebo. Um they're fully enclosed structures and um there's power to them and you know a gazebo in front of the summer next to the summer house. It's like wooden structure with some benches in
there. Um, so if they had actually built gazeos, I think technically DP would consider that seating, but it probably would have never raised to our attention and you know, someone wants to get a tea or a crepe or something to go and sit out on the gazebo by the stream and eat
a snack and hit the road. Um, so I don't if they were actually gazeos, I don't think that ever would have been a thing with their with their septic and all that, but um, so so then they kind of
got hung up because they are that is not zoned for commercial. Um, I don't know exact. That's not my specialty. U, but they're so they're not in the right zone which means that they they can't expand. They're kind of you can only do what's
already there because it's pre-existing and non-conforming. So >> So this you mean the land that's behind them that they cleared and put the >> So their their whole their whole lot is not commercial >> lands as well. >> Yeah. There's a stream all around it.
>> Yeah. So, um, so they went for, um, so they were trying to get approval and I think conservation okayed it and then they went to planning and planning said, you know, you're not the right zone. So, they went to get a
zone change. It needs to go to town meeting and the town needs to vote on it. U, so they went to town meeting. I think at this point it was two years ago and that that got voted down. Um, that's all within planning. So I don't know all the details of that but um
>> did they build before they knew this and that's why >> correct that's what >> yeah they built they built before and I think I don't know that it was intentional it could have been a um misunderstanding
um but I think for building and conservation oh sure yeah you can build a gazebo but then it wasn't a gazebo So, so they like they did have a building permit for gazeos.
So, it's kind of a >> because they built, >> right? So, it's kind of a confusing um >> situation there. So, >> yes. Um, so, so I don't I'm assuming it's been a few years, so I don't know if they still have to get the zone change or if
they're trying to go down some other path with um with planning to make this work, but they are um they are back to trying to to um figure out if there's any legal way that they can they can use these. So, um, on
July 1st, I met with, um, out there, um, with planning, building, fire, and the owner of, um, of Crepes Tea House. Um, so we kind of discussed a few options for the SEP. Their septic is is very
large. Um, it's sized for like 3,000 gallons a day. Um, and just for reference, like a a three-bedroom house is for 330 gallons a day. So, it's a it's a big system. >> Um, but it's a restaurant. So, restaurants are sized by number of
seats. Um, so there's a certain it's um >> I don't remember if I wrote it in here. >> I did. Yeah. In here. System design for 90 seats or >> Yeah. >> Yep. So, um, so
>> the 94 seats actual design, >> what do they have for seats now? >> They I've never counted them. I think they in the original plan, it showed the restaurant and the um and the the p the >> the back >> the back deck was on the on the on the
plan that was there. So, um I've never done a a full count. Um, that's not something we normally do for existing restaurants, but um, I think it's roughly I know their occupancy on the card they get from the
building department is I think like 90 94. So, it's right in right in there. Um, >> would it ever be an option for since they did expand with these non-zum that does increase the system the system
flow? >> Yeah. Um would putting in like not that anybody wants to border party but would that even be an option? >> I think maybe maybe that was one I talked to the
um their engineer today and um that could be a an option. So >> that area floods. Have you ever seen it? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It really floods. Right. Yeah. >> Back in the back there the zebras are that's why they put them up on Right. They're like up on cinder blocks,
>> right? It floods up like >> that because they know it floods. >> The highest I've seen it is like to the >> to the parking lot like part like half the parking lot was flooded once. >> I don't I only see it because again I live right there. Yeah, I see. Especially when the
>> Yeah. Um so so he one one kind of idea that he was going to pursue and this would be for planning too. um but to kind of do um I don't remember what he called it, but the wording I came up
with was variable occupancy. So if um and he doesn't want to use those for regular seating, it would be more for events. Um so you know, a a meeting or a a small baby shower or something like that. Um
>> yeah, there we go. Um so that that sort of thing. So if there was going to be an event out in one of the gazeos with, you know, 15 people, they would reduce their on like a daily basis, they would they would close off 15 seats in the in
the bar or in the restaurant. So that way they're never over 90 at any given time, but they kind of have that that leeway. >> And how would you know? >> You wouldn't really. So one thing one
thing I thought of um and and ultimately I talked to D and they were like no you can't do that. So um but um just for the purposes of going through the whole thought process and everything. So one thing I had thought of is um for for
houses. So the minimum design for a septic is three bedrooms. Um, but if someone actually has a two-bedroom house, um, you can do what's called a bedroom count deed restriction, and it allows you to design a two-bedroom system.
This is also sometimes used for, and we actually did this in town recently, um, for larger houses like like mansions. Um, and so there was the one in town recently was
um up in the ranch neighborhood. The house would the plan was and it was only like 5 years old. The plan was for three bedrooms and then the guy was selling it and the title five inspector called me
cuz he was like there's five bedrooms maybe maybe six. Um, so it was, you know, based on the bedroom definition, it's not and if the person's using it as an office, like it's not always super clear. Um, and there is something in the
code, I think you can take the total number of rooms and divide by two and use that for your bedrooms. Um, so sometimes in those h in like bigger houses where it's like not super clear. Um, they can just do a deed restriction and say, you know what, there's however many
rooms, but this is a five- bedroomedroom house. It's never going to be anything more than a five- bedroomedroom house. Um, so D suggested for that house, um, they did have to add onto the system, but um, but I was like, there's these like there's these two questionable rooms. I don't know what the bedroom
count should actually be. and D said just just have them do a deed restriction and at whatever they you know not three bedrooms because it's obviously more than that but um so we settled on five and and that worked. So um so I was kind of thinking maybe we
take that logic and apply it to the restaurant and have put have them put it on their deed their seat capacity. Um, and that way cuz I mean definitely it's not exclusively on them cuz there there's a stream right
there. So something goes wrong it could pollute the stream and all that. So um but as far financially the liability is is on all on them. >> So this is all contingent though it on a zone being changed >> or no?
>> Um I don't know. I don't know if there's planning wise I don't know if there's another path that they can go down. I don't know enough about that. Um, >> and they're restricted in front of you right now. >> Yeah. So, they've those things have been installed for like probably two, three years and they have never been occupied.
>> Yeah. So, um, >> I think it's probably been longer than that. >> Yeah, it could be. >> They were up when I when I started. Um, they had been installed. So I've that's two and a half years that I've been here.
>> Um so so yeah. So I was kind of thinking do some sort of restriction where it says you know you can never have more than 90 seats and then if they do put too much stress on the system and it and it fails
um you know they're going to be the ones that have to pay for the new system and it's not a cheap system because it's so big. Um, and at deep he said, you know, you really can't do that with the he had said he wanted 15 and there's two
smaller ones and a bigger one. Um, 15 in the two smaller ones and 20 in the bigger one. So the EP was like that's that's half their capacity. Like you can't >> you can't maybe if it was like five seats or something like that, but um
>> but that's that's a lot that's a lot of capacity. So, >> who's going to police that that that they're actually dividing those seats? So, does that now fall onto you? >> Yeah. >> Make sure that they're not exceeding capacity. >> I we basically would have to go on the
honor system for that because >> because no one even if it was on me or the building inspector, no one's going to have the time to do a good job policing that. So, >> and can they bring alcohol to these gazeos? That's a whole another >> Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It's a whole another layer
>> because that that would be part of their their liquor license. So, um >> zebras actually that >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Um so, >> the tiny homes that are out there, >> right? So, that that would be one um
that was one idea he had and and I I did um I did the due diligence. I I did a little research. I talked to D and um you know ultimately it um wouldn't that one wouldn't fly. Um and then so there
is one other thing in the code for people to use um the actual water meter data. >> Um but that has to be approved by D. And I don't know anyone who's ever gone
through this process. So um it's in the code. I don't know how often DE people do it or if D even has the the system set up to to hear these requests, but uh but it is in the code. So, um so I did I suggested that to them that you know you
could look into um and they this was already on their radar. I think their um consultant had mentioned it to them. Um but I I think he said they use they use a thousand roughly 1,000 gallons a day. Their system's 3,000. Um, so that wouldn't be our decision. That would be
up to D. Um, but it it does say it has to be um unique design features. So I don't know if you know the D would consider that unique design features. So
um so the the the I don't know if they'll come up with any other ideas. Um, I'm not I'm not opposed to to hearing any additional ideas, but I don't nothing else I can think of. Um,
>> and what's going on with the actual wetlands? >> I think because those are on stilts, I think I think those are were actually okayed by conservation >> and the stone pathways were through it. >> I'm not sure. >> Okay. >> I'm not sure.
Um, I can run that by Sabrina because I don't know if once again you don't know if they >> I know initially conversation or conservation approved it but then if they did more than what they were permitted to. >> Yeah, it's be it looks beautiful.
beautiful. No, >> but yeah. Um, so so the the the proper the proper way to do it would be um to have that current system inspected. Um
they may be although it does, you know, make me nervous and any the engineer who's designing it, it would probably make them a little nervous cuz it's like a 25y old system. I think I think it was like the late 90s, early 2000s that they put it in um to add on to an older
system that you know >> a lot of times engineers are like I don't want to put my name on a new section when the rest is 25 years old and it could fail in two years anyway. >> Um so so I' I've never seen I that one
with the bedrooms that was a 5-year-old system. They did add on to that one. Um, that's the only time I've ever actually seen someone add on to a existing system. Um, theoretically though it could be done. Um, and then if they're adding seats, it puts it into a new
category in the code. It's considered new construction. Um, so then they also need to do an extra set of perk tests to document that there's a reserve area that when this system fails, they have another option. Um,
so given that site, there's not I mean there's a parking lot, they'd have to do it there. Um, so it's a tough site and it's surrounded by a stream. >> Um, it's in the well area because the town wells are back there. Um,
so so yeah, I don't I don't know um what what they're going to do. I did talk to their consultant today um and he said that they were they were thinking of um he mentioned a portaotty like you had
suggested and um they were thinking of maybe reducing it down to just keeping one of them. Um and then and then he was also saying that he thinks the the estimate of the 15 and 20 um is probably a little on the high side
and once because the building building inspector ultimately determines the occupancy. So um it's based on square footage and then you have to subtract for any tables and all that. So um he was thinking it might be more like like 15 for the bigger one and maybe 10 for
the smaller one. So, um, but it's hard at this point, it's hard to say exactly what that would come out to be. So, um, so then I I don't know. I I told him, you know, either you have you do it for him or um have him put something in
writing of, you know, what what your idea is now. Um, I don't know if 10 seats and, you know, maybe a porta potty is something we could consider or or what. I
>> um, >> I know that's saying, >> right? And I I do, you know, a porta potty can be removed, but being in the flood plane, >> you don't always if there's a flood, you don't always have enough time to be like, oh, >> call the call the porta potty company to
pick that up. And then you've gota, you know, >> and who's really going to use it? They're gonna go inside, right? >> Yeah. It's >> right. So, um >> Well, and it sounds like you've done all you can do and it's kind of up to them >> to to we you didn't approve
approve that. And I I can't imagine those those beautiful little gazeos um with the portaotti in in you know, I can't imagine them wanting to do that. But but that's, you know, I just think it's in their hands. And
then would would whatever whatever they come up with, would that ultimately have to to get D approval as well? Again, um >> um in my letter, I told them um basically anything that they submit, I'm
going to run by D and and the board. I'm not going to I'm not going to approve anything on on my own unless they say, "All right, we're going to we'll do the full park test. We'll put in a whole new system and have a full reserve area." I don't know that they there's a space for them to do that even.
>> Um but if there's anything if there's anything unusual um I'm going to run it by D just because >> um and and D, they're not always willing to give me something in writing. um like for in this case I didn't I talked to
the person on the phone and got a lot of helpful information but they um they often >> would rather talk on the phone than than put something in writing. So, >> um, so yeah. So, I'll, uh,
>> I think this could be a hot button and I would, I I would definitely encourage, >> right? And, and we're one thing that's good is I've been in in contact with planning and building. So, it's it's not just on the board of health. There's,
you know, they have to appease, I think, five, they have to four other four total departments and boards. So, um, so it's not it's not like we're the only ones uh that are in their way. I think they've
got some other some other roadblocks. So, um, so I'll I'll keep you all in the in the loop on this one, but that's where that's where that one stands. Um, and I haven't I did talk to their consultant today, but nothing um nothing
official at this point of what they're what they want to do next. So, >> yeah, I think the bottom line is if it's done correctly and you know, everything's approved the right way, nobody's going to have a problem, >> right? Right. >> Um, and >> it goes through proper channels. It
sounds to me like some of the Yeah. So, I appreciate you being on top of that. >> Yeah, no problem. Um, and then lastly, Sunny's Convenience. Um, there was a um
compliance check for sale to underage and they sold a pack of Zin to um I don't know if you say minor because it's under 21 now. >> I had to look that up. It was 2018 it changed. I'm like, when did it change to 21?
>> Tobacco products. >> 21. >> 21. >> 2018 they changed it. I had to look back. I'm like, "Wow, >> okay." Yeah, >> let me run again. >> Yeah. >> No, but I didn't realize it either until I was like, "What?" >> Yeah. So,
um yeah, we did it in Westfield. We changed the age in Westfield to 21 like >> before that. I think like like by like a month >> before the state did or maybe no I think we we beat Boston by
like a month and then the state did it like six months later or something like I can't remember exactly but >> um but yeah so um so we've had so I don't do the tobacco inspections or the compliance checks or anything um we just
do the enforcement. there is a collaborative um I think it's run by South Hadley um and then the the director the health director from Northampton is also involved with it um so they have some
inspectors who just do tobacco um and they do I think they do one or two educational visits per store um every so they'll do a quick inspection make sure they have all their signage and um you know make sure they are up on carding and all Uh, and then they do two
compliance checks a year where they'll send in a a youth and try to buy. So, I was looking at the town records and I think there has been they've been doing this since like 2017, 2016 that South's been part of this group. Um, and for
like for like six, seven years there was no sales to minor. Like they were like their record was like so clean. Yeah. >> And then this is the fifth one in like a year and a half. >> So, um, we had a string last summer of
we had two in was it or was it two years ago? I don't remember. >> I remember that last year. >> So, was So, yeah, there we had like two in March and then we had two in July or something like that. So, um, so that's almost half of the um half of the stores
in town. So, um, so hopefully they have learned their lesson and the owners are, you know, make sure to keep people up on on carding and all that. So, um, >> so aside from the fine and then they get
a three-day suspension, is that their store has to close or they just can't sell the product? >> They just can't sell Well, technically they're supposed to remove all of the all of the tobacco. So, >> okay. >> Um, so and they did that. So, they paid. He did send a letter.
>> Yeah. So, he didn't actually uh request a hearing. And the point of the hearing is like this didn't happen. We didn't do this. Like >> you went to the store across the street. Like I'm not I'm not uh you know,
Sunny's convenience. I'm I'm Sunconvenience. And some you know, something like that where you could say this didn't happen. >> Yeah. Um but in his letter he said it happened. So I was like I don't think he's asking for a hearing. Um I think he
was just asking for so wave wave it. Yeah. So and I So I called him and he wasn't thrilled with me but I was like I we literally can't do that. >> Nothing like I'm this the state law prohibits it. We just that's not an option. Um and
I'm not I'm not going to violate state law myself and lose my job. So you can stay open for three days. So um >> and and we had that we had an appeal that was was about the same thing. >> Right. Right. Yeah. He did he put us
through the ropes and um did the appeal and then >> said, "Oh yeah, can you just not do the suspension? I'll pay the money." Um, so >> so that one that one was a little bit of a waste of time, but um but in this case
he he reluctantly paid and did the suspension. So um so hopefully they learned their lesson and um we don't have any and and now for these these five now um it's within I think it's
within three years for your second violation. Um, so that would be >> 2,000 and then the third time would be 5,000. So, >> um, >> so when when he is asking for an exemption, is that even like a thing?
>> It's not. >> No. >> No. >> He's like, I'm so sorry this happened. Please don't. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Just please look the other way this one time. So, >> right. And then that would be everybody saying, well, you looked away from him. >> Right. Right. And I told him that. I said you're the fifth one in like a year
and a half and no one else got an exemption. So it wouldn't it wouldn't be fair. Um and then and also the the if there's a sale to a minor um the state law cuz like a lot of boards the fines
for forever were like 100 200 300 and then when they made tobacco purchasing ages 21 the state increased the fines to 1,002,000 5,000. the the um the suspension the duration of the
suspension is up to the board of health. Um so our in our tobacco regs the board had voted on on the days that that we use. Um but and you for a first suspension or for a first sale to a minor you have to do a suspension.
It could be one day but it also you can also go up to 30 days. So, we would for our suspensions, we went with um >> three >> three three days and I Oh, it's just the general language in here. This because the the coalition
that does our inspections, they give me this almost all filled out. So, um so that part's not updated yet, but I think we did 357. >> Okay. >> I think that I think you're right. Um, so I mean to them that's still a pretty
good or pretty bad for them punishment because they make a lot of money selling tobacco and to go a whole week without it. But >> um, but I did explain this to him as well is, you know, we chose these days and they're a little more on the friendly side. We could have gone up to
a 30-day suspension on your first one. I think it was uh 1 to seven days was our option. So, you know, we we could have had double this suspension. So, um you know, I think we were pretty fair with in choosing these the day number of
days. Um the $1,000 wasn't up to us and and we have to be fair to the other people who who made the same mistake. So, >> um >> where's that money go? The $1,000 >> it goes into the general fund of the town. So, South. Yep. So,
so which I'm kind of surprised because I don't know I don't know how the the the tobacco coalition was set up before I was here. So, I don't know how they're funded if it's if they're state funded. But I almost think they would be like, "Well, we'll do all this work for
you, but when you get fines, they go to us." So, but for now, they go to they go to Southwick. So, >> nice. >> So, it works works for us. Um, and then I think that is the last that is the last thing I had.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Anything else from anybody either on the Well, I think we're the I'm the only one on the phone, so no, I don't have anything else. Uh, anybody in the room with it? Erica or Trish? Any other
or Tom? Any other >> just the one thing just for the sake of clarity? Um, we're still meeting on the 2nd, >> correct? >> For the for September 2nd for our next meeting. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yep. I'm not doing anything fun then.
So, Yep. >> Okay. >> Um Okay. Do I hear a motion to adjourn at 6 at I'm on central time on my computer, so 7 7:16 p.m.? >> Yes. Motion to adjurnn at 7:16
p.m. >> And do I hear a second? I second that motion. >> And all in favor of adjourning, Terry Putnham, yes. >> Erica Pratt, yes. >> Trish Levveniac. >> Oh, sweet. >> Well, thank you all.
>> Thank you. Thank you, Kaen.