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All right. >> Technical difficulty. >> Sorry about that. Um, this is the June 6th board of health meeting. Like to call it to order. And present is >> Erica, Trish Leian,

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>> and Terry Putnham from the board. >> Kayen Simons, health director. >> Maryann Deming, health nurse. >> Okay. Well, we'll get started. We've got a really heavy agenda this time. We're going to give a few minutes. Do we know if anybody is coming for public comment

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or uh Joanne, I'm sorry, I don't know you. Are you here for public comment or to participate in the meeting? >> I'm just here to see and hear. >> Oh, okay. And the other >> Zena Serena is here to observe. Is that

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correct? Okay. All right. We'll see anybody who's part of the group. So, we'll go ahead with our agenda, but I do reserve the action. um do reserve the the um the action to go ahead and come back to public comment if we are joined

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with the guests that we anticipate uh for later in the meeting. So we can start off with review of minutes. I did send everybody a clean copy. I took the highlights out and I took the duplication out. Um do I hear a motion to approve April's minutes?

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>> Um I'll make a motion to approve April minutes. >> Okay. Okay. Do I hear a second? >> I secondly. >> And all in favor? >> I. >> I. >> And I. So, we carry it unanimously. Now, we'll go to the election of of board of health officers. I'll start off

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by saying I don't mind being chair. I also don't mind not being chair. Um, so with that, uh, is there anyone who wants to make a motion for chair? Uh, >> I make a motion for you to be chairman.

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All in favor, please say I. I. >> All right. So, it carries two to one. No, I I I don't mind doing it. Uh, thank you. Uh, I I will continue being chair for the next year and we can revisit in next

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May. Um, do I hear now? Let's vote for vice chair. Do I hear a nomination for vice chair? >> I nominate Chair Suvenir. >> Beautiful. >> And I second. >> Great. So all in favor of of Trish

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continuing to be vice chair, please say I. Barry Putnham. I >> I >> So that carries unanimously as well. Okay, then that was quickie. Um now we'll move on. That wasn't So that was just somebody coming in to say Oh, okay.

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Yes. >> Okay. Are you here for for public comment? Hello. I'm here for >> Yeah. Come come come come up and come up and join the the the table, sir. >> And if you would for our recording, say

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state your name and your relationship to the property. >> Uh good evening. Uh my name. I'm the owner of the to >> Okay. And you're here, Kaen. Do you want to give a background?

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>> Yeah. So, a little background from our last meeting. Uh, we had sent Anatoli a letter regarding the board of health's decision to require further soil testing due to the septic system being aged um and looking at the property as new construction because a house was never

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built and the septic system was left for 30 years. It was issued a COC from the town of Southwick back in 1993. Um, so over 30 years have passed. So, we wanted to go out and do further soil evaluation. And in that letter, we also stated if the findings determined that

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the septic system, current septic system was in groundwater, we would be requiring a new plan and a new system to go in because it would no longer meet the requirements of new construction uh for title 5. Um and we did go out for a

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perk test last two Fridays ago. Last Friday. Last Friday. um Tom Fitzgerald and myself and the soil evaluator on the case was Dennis Lor. So I can pass around the perk test results. Um but we did see that the system is in

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groundwater and redox which is our finding of seasonal high groundwater at both of the test pits was 16 let me double check my my math here was at 16 in. Um so seasonal high groundwater is

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high. Um, so that is the title five if or excuse me the perk test results. Um, but my recommendation and the same recommendation as Tom Fitzgerald, our contractor for title five would be the requirement of a new septic system to be designed and put in and that is why

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Anatoli is here today. Okay. >> So Anatoli, what what would you like to tell us that would contradict what the what the new soil testing has done? Uh yeah that's uh just what I hear just

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before meeting I was trying to uh reach uh Kalin to ask some questions also I send a text message to the Tom Gerald asking what is the separation what they

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see what is separation but I didn't hear anything but now I >> your soil evaluator should have should have given you this perk test results >> yeah I have that perk You have this. You have a copy of this. >> Uh yes. >> Okay. >> But in that uh

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the statement the system in groundwater. >> Mhm. That is not true >> to our title five contractor the system is in groundwater >> and what you >> due to our system our seasonal high groundwater and our that is that's what Tom Fitzgerald >> and what is your what what what that is

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not true because >> you remember when the he dig the first uh deep hole he show you the groundwater elevation and I bring the I asked how you can determine if the uh there was

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debugs open So that's basically bottom of the leaf field. And they asking, "How are you going to determine elevation if you don't have the laser level?" >> Mhm. >> He say, "No, I don't have this. That's

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that's not my business." So I get my guy to bring the laser level and I show that. Remember, I set the laser. I uh show on the elevation of the debug and where he in

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the deep hole where he showed the ground of the I mean top of the groundwater and that was different like 8 10 inches. So you witnessed that right Kayyn? >> I can tell you what Tom Fitzgerald told

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me. So he said Anatoli or excuse me um it was between 1 to 2 feet above the D box as I recall. Also the first perk test did not move. So we tried to perk one area where the soil was so dense that the perk test was not valid. So we

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had to do two on the opposite ends of the plot or the piece of land. And that is why that soil evaluator gave you that first document with that letter >> um saying what he would look his recommendation is basically to there's a lot of fill on the land meaning there's

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a lot of top you know there's disturbed soil on top >> so his recommendation is to remove that and do more perk tests but he had there was two valid perk tests done here so I do not believe we need to do extra percolation tests um but to what we saw

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in the field and the three docks and the two perk tests that were done. It is the system is in groundwater to our evaluation. Um Tom Fitzgerald has 30 plus years in septic experience. I do

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not. So I don't want to speak for Tom, but that is what Tom Fitzgerald has determined. Um and that was his recommendation that he wanted me to share with you all is that a new system should be put in. Um, >> so we have help us understand we have at 9:43.

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>> Yep. So these are valid perks >> with that failed. >> So that was the first one that they tried to do. >> That is not failed. It's just because he did the perk test below the groundwater level and and the water from the soil

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raised. So this was >> and that was done at 60 in correct. >> Yes. >> And it was pulled due to water infiltrating the top of the per hole. Yep. >> And then at 10:43 at 34 in that one passed. >> Yep. Because that was 24 minutes an

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inch. >> Okay. And then we have at 11:34 that one pass. >> That one got a 38 minute per inch. So he had he did receive two valid perk results. So the 24 and the 38 minutes per inch.

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>> So explain that to us unless you guys know understand these. So to pass title 5 you need to be under 60 minutes per inch. So these passed. >> Yeah. So uh my understanding from from the letter was to determine the

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groundwater >> Mhm. >> elevation. But as soon as uh Tom show up and uh Dennis, they wasn't talking about that. They wasn't talking about to do the perk test for the new system.

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So, and uh that wasn't uh >> because it was our understanding that we would we were doing this >> to estimate the groundwater >> to estimate the groundwater because it your septic system hasn't been used. Is is that >> was that your understanding?

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>> Yeah. Um but that that fact that that is not that is not true that the system in groundwater I am not agree with that and uh I I and even uh with that's what I asked for the Tom send me the picture because this is this is the one of the

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deep hole. >> Mhm. >> Next next to the next to the leechfield. >> And how many inches is that? Uh I I can't that's very I can see this this

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like about 8 8 ft 8 ft something and Tom asked me to hold the tape for him to to show the elevation when uh where is the the groundwater was about

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here but the septic septic bottom of the leechfield it was like about 3 ft above. So uh and I take the laser there is the uh vent pipe to the end of the leech field. So basically bottom of that pipe

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that is the bottom of the leech field. So what I did, I take the laser again. I set up the laser. I set up the bottom of the leech field, bottom of the pipe, and I show the thumb

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in this hole and he take the pictures. But and and uh and later like yesterday, I asked him, can you send me those pictures? And he even not responded to me. And that was clear. That's

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separation about 3 ft between the groundwater and the and the leech field. So that that's that's not that not correct. >> And and one of the things uh to to point out is this is this is the place that we

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talk about that. So that may be why Tom didn't get back to you. But this is the since there due to open meeting law discussions like that can't can't uh occur outside because everybody has a chance. There may be other people for

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for whatever reason that to that >> and that's why I responded to you to come to the meeting tonight because I can't discuss without the board. >> No, actually you didn't respond to me. >> Yes, I did. I >> you didn't I didn't say okay doesn't matter. Anyway, >> I responded

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>> um um but seeing from this there two soil evaluations that occurred your soil evaluator put redux features at 16 in um redox meaning that's seasonal high ground water >> 16 in from what point because that's >> that's what your that's where your

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groundwater is. That's what they were determining with these perk tests. So where your system was due to Dennis Lor and Thomas Fitzgerald's evaluation both of them determined that you're they said to me I don't have I'm not certified in title five yet so I can't you know I'm

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not saying with my own >> you know soil license they said it was in groundwater so that's what I have to go based upon I wish they were here tonight I wish Tom was available tonight but he was not >> um but that's the message that he wanted me to relay >> and so bottom line from Tom

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>> yes >> this system did not pass >> the system. So they have passing perk test but he with his recommendation he believes that the system is in groundwater and a new system needs to be in place. Correct. >> Yeah. I'm I'm totally not not agree with

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that. Also I will uh I I have to say this uh Dennis who did the title fire inspection for me. He he is the one who was on the meeting May 1st >> here. So what what happened? I scheduled

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the title fight with uh Jill Cafarelli. >> Mhm. >> But her father passed away. >> Oh, sorry. >> And he couldn't uh couldn't do that. So I reach out to Ken asking, "Can you show me send me the list who is the title 5

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inspector here?" He she told me go to the online website and find the licensed evaluator. So I go there. I find find the Dennis. So I I was

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assuming this is the same Dennis who was basically was speaking against against all all this uh situation. So I was assuming when I reach him I was assuming he will say I'm I'm not going to do

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this. I cannot do this because that's conflict of interest. I was assuming he will say that but he didn't say that and he agreed to do the perk test. >> Mhm. >> Right. And when when when he come come

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then u Tom also come and how I see how how this test was done when I ask him the question when he dig the first deep hole I was asking where is the ground groundwater can you show me he say no I I'm not going to show you

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we have to wait until his director will come >> Tom Fitzgerald was there though >> uh uh Tom Fitzgerald wasn't there Okay. Dennis, it was just Dennis and you there at the time. Okay. I was going to say the board health witness was not there yet. >> Basically, I hired him. He's supposed to

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tell me everything, but he didn't say. And when uh Kayen come, Tom come, they were talking and basically all three of them were doing this title, I mean per test together. That's not like they

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witness it. They did all together. They was helping helping Dennis If you look from the side that's not was witnessing that was like three people doing that was totally >> and I always help people conduct perk

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test by bringing water dumping water in that's what all board of health witnesses we we help but we don't conduct I did not conduct >> the soil evaluation and neither did Tom Fitzger >> yeah and there was very uh like they have to time do the timing

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like set the time when the practice start that was arguing we start timing or with not this was very I mean very very sketchy I I I didn't like at this point I didn't trust that

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that part test even at especially when you're saying that the septic leechfield in the groundwater it's totally totally false I am I'm not agree with that >> so so I guess my first comment would be

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were there no other title five contractors on that list because one could believe that if you contacted me you're okay if I do it. So, I I I think that that might have been the

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first mishap, if we can call it a mishap, that that you had someone that you had a had a a different reaction to based on the previous on the previous um uh interaction. We'll just we'll just

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So, so um >> yeah. So, um >> that you might you you might want to think about. So, what would you like to come what would you encourage the board to do at this point? What what >> you know? Yeah. What

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>> and then we're going to stop comment and we're going to we're going to talk about it amongst ourselves. >> Yeah. What what I what I want to ask and also I I send that email to Ken before that per test. I was asking if the board

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will consider to signing off on my building permit so I can start construction and we will figure out this issue with the septic system. >> The only issue with us doing that I mean it would be this is going to be a the only issue is if we gave you that

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temporary permit the the and and we decided that we needed another perk test. it still showed that you were underground water, then then you're going to have to rip up whatever it is potentially to put another leech field. >> Yeah. So, uh so based on the on the new

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I mean even I'm not very agree with that, but based on this per test, I can do the new new system, right? You agree with that? >> Yes. So, we have the soil is okay. I can do new system. the soil. It's you got

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two passing perk tests. If you're unhappy with the perk tests that were conducted, then I would recommend possibly doing having another soil evaluation. So, but I can't we can't request that of you since you did two and you got passing ones. >> Um >> yeah. So, so we we can do the septic

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septic system new system. If this septic system like you saying underground water or something, there is the place to do the new septic system. So what I asking just because I waste already a lot of time

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>> to let me start construction and we will resolve the issue with the septic. I I don't need believe me I I trying to build a house I don't need failed failed septic system I even if for myself or

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for somebody I given the warranty on the house. >> Mhm. >> So I I don't need that and I don't plan to I need good septic system. >> Mhm. So I need uh just uh to do it correctly if I don't have to overpay to

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build new system or do in instead of that I can do some uh for example if we can do some modification or something. So I I uh I will be willing to do that. So I just I just want to start start

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construction and uh do simultaneously talking to board of health about the septic system. If you need the new per test, I willing to do that. If you need the design, I I will do that. That's that's the what what I need for for now.

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>> So, the location of the septic system is acceptable. >> The loca Yeah. So, yeah, where it is currently would be okay. Um, >> but the current septic system is what's not not meeting the criteria for

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>> Yes. It has to be up to title five requirements. So the the five ft of groundwater separation um or variance could be given for four um but yeah a new system going in. So the new system going in does that

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impact your building plans? Does that impact where the house is going to go? uh the new per test what we the existing septic system on the front of the house but the per test what we did like on on the left of the house

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>> so basically I can do new system without touching touching that system I can leave it underground >> yes >> and not not touching it and install basically brand new brand new system >> but the the house plans themselves that's not going to be an alteration to

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what you've already presented. >> No, that's that's not going to happen. >> You're okay with the system being underneath your driveway? >> Uh yeah. Okay. Actually, we did on last one on 55. >> I remember saying that that would you know that you would have to be okay with that because it would be going under

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your proposed driveway. >> But if if you need new new per test, we will do it like for example if you need to move it somewhere. But basically percolation rate is about the same in the area. >> Okay. So, anything else you want to say because we're going to cut off unless

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unless the other two board members >> somebody else is here the public comment. >> I think he's here for >> you're here for new Mayoon. >> Okay, we'll be with you in just a few minutes. >> That's okay. >> No, you're you're fine. Um, so anything else you want to say before we

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>> uh Yeah. Okay. So so so that's all and uh yeah, I want to say I'm I'm not agree with with that statement that existence septic in the groundwater. I'm not agree with that. >> Well, that that's at least in my benefit that that's kind of the rub here because

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you know there are other things that you can do. You can have another podcast to if if that's what you're interested in doing. Um um otherwise we have to go on on the information that's been provided to us that your perk test is

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good but but your but your your septic system is not in a place that that's going to protect >> yeah definitely >> protect the aquifer. >> Yeah. So definitely I will not be that uh like like you're saying against if if

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I can continue because every month is costing me like I would say 3 to 4,000 on interest on everything. So so basically that's this will will help me to to not be that against new I mean

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even if even if I need to put new systems so like like something like that. >> Yeah. So if a new system needs to be put in, you would get your design. Tom Fitzgerald would review it and approve it and once we have that permit issued,

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then I can approve the building permit. >> Uh this another issue I I mean not not the issue. I I send all the information to the Jill Cafarelli and to the B Bob Cafarelli. I was thinking they can can do this and he sent me a message

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yesterday. I cannot do this because my ma my mom passed away because he couldn't because her father just passed away. >> Mhm. >> So, and they couldn't do it. So, basically they had the two funerals in one week. >> So, that's that's why uh they couldn't

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do it and that's why I asked him to to let me to sign off on building permit so I can I can start working on it. >> So, you sent the design or you sent the request for them to do the design? the redesign. >> I send the the request to take a look on

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the per test and start putting together so to give me idea. >> Are there other people that that could do this for you? >> Yeah, they they can do it. She told me Wednesday, next Wednesday, we can take a look take a look on it.

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>> Okay. Okay. All right. Any questions of it totally before we get Okay. Thank you. And you can stay here while while we talk about it if you'd like >> or or you can leave whatever it's whatever from an open meeting perspective all of this is out in the open.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. So what are the two of you I mean is that we've got the per test that pass um >> so the existing system is correct. I

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agree with that you're saying in reference to we have to rely on reporting details um and follow through on that. So if a new system's needed then new systems needed or as you suggested we can find another thing.

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Um, I do have a little search, but at the same time, I guess with that, yeah, he seems like he still sees the old system based off of the the test. I think he's

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waiting for us to tell him he needs a new system. >> Okay. >> Um, and he's willing to do that. >> Okay. But what what the holdup is is that we have to see new treatments. We have to see the building plans have to be

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renovated that show the leech field. Right now what we have is the leech field in the place that it is with the house. >> Um so there's a delay in that. I think that's the concern what and and Kayen, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

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>> Um um what he is asking because there's a delay with his with his contractors for lack of a better term, Jill and I forget Jill's husband. That's the company he's used. Cafferelli, I think it's their last name. Um, they won't be available until Wednesday to even look

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at it. >> Okay. >> So, what he's asking for us to do is is uh vote that we would go ahead and approve the the temporary um the temporary go ahead start building the

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house while trusting that that if we say new system, it's going to be done. Why does that fall on us? >> You need to get building uh or excuse me, you need to get health DPW. We all sign off on plans

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>> has signed off. >> Uh I guess >> I don't know if everyone has signed off. I know building or health has not and I believe he they were waiting on one more sign off. I could be wrong. It could be signed off now. But when a new build is being put in, you you always have the septic tank. You always have the septic

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design or the permit issued. Um, and you also have the well or if it's going to be connected to sewer water, you have that information before signing off. So, this would be unprecedented to do so. Um, but obviously because we know

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of the sensitivity to time and understand that this has been in, you know, the board's agenda for a while, Tom Fitzgerald, you know, once we see a plan, Tom Fitzgerald can very quickly review it. you know, if he has any edits, quickly get it back to the

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designer. It can move very quickly once the design is in our office. >> I'm not worried about that. Um, and then right when we get the issu the permit issued, I can sign off saying that is being built simultaneously as the building is being or the dwelling is being built. When the building, just for

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everyone's knowledge, when the building is being built and the septic's being put put in, at what point in the building process usually is the septic built? Is it in the middle at the end? So, what is title five say generally?

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Title five I don't think has like a specific timeline but in just in the terms of building they always look has it been approved by you know the plans because the plans will show where the leech field are both >> yeah um I don't know the building process of when they >> just curious yeah >> I mean it would make sense if they want

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to do a leech field system first because >> I don't think they do anymore right I think that's because you can't connect it right you want to connect it >> have to is to connect it >> okay >> so >> I can double check with Joe, but I don't want I don't want to delay this for us. >> So, I think this is where over time it's

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changed. Back in the day, they used to actually put it in first. >> And now, >> obviously, yeah. 30 years ago. >> 30 years ago. And now it's not done like that. Now, it's done. >> The plans are in place, but then it's done after to connect it and then test it because you can't test it. So, then you put it in, it can't be tested. So,

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now you want to be able to put it in, connect, and test. >> Okay. >> Um, but you have to have something to connect it to. So, that's why I was curious about that. So, >> and and we would I'm sorry. >> Yeah. No. >> So, in my mind, I feel like there has to be some kind of concrete plan to give

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that >> um approval. So, whether it be getting a new design and having that before the approval, right? >> Um I'm not comfortable with this old system. >> So, that's a no for me, >> but that or finding someone else to give

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a different perspective on it. And I guess my question would be after after construction and before move in or before sale, would the board of health then have to approve? Now we've connected it, we're testing it

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>> once a system has been approved by the board of health and the building goes in. >> So there's no because that could be the stop that um >> Right. So we just we hope to get the pumping records every two years. We rarely do get pumping records every two

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years from all the houses here that are hooked up to septic. Um, but there is no like once once you you put the septic system in, Joe will go out for the certificate of occupancy and then obviously gas they do

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all their final, you know, final plumbing will go in. So they'll make sure that it's, you know, connected correctly, final electrical, all of those things. So they they do all of their building permits um in order to get the certificate of occupancy. >> Has Joe been involved in I think we we

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had asked Joe earlier. >> Has Joe been involved and and understand that there is a request to do to be to go out into unknown territory and >> yes Joe recommended not to do so and just to wait for the design. Um that was

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his recommendation. >> Joe is our building instru inspector. Yes. just just for your information >> just because it would be very unprecedented and it would also be starting a wave of well the board of health will will let us build without a septic design. >> Correct.

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>> I'm very against that. Um but obviously up up to the three of you >> agreed. And I'm just curious the several feet of fill added how does that impact >> when they go to build the house? I believe that fill will all be leveled if I'm not mistaken. >> How does that impact the septic that's

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there? I don't know where that fill really came from, but obviously there's just a little cliff. >> Yes, there's a lot that has built up on top, but that will most likely be cleared. I believe the house is going lower if I'm not mistaken. It's going to be go >> It's just there temporarily.

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>> Yes, it will look a lot different when all is said and done. >> Can Anatoli, can you explain the fill? Does that does that cliff of fill? >> No, that's >> it's going to be everything's going to be flattened out. >> There's nothing. The uh I plan to build

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a walk out basement. There's going to be flat on the front and I mean flat on the back as well, but it's going to be two story on the back and one story on the front. >> Okay. So, the walkout brace. >> Okay. Yeah. >> That feel which is extra fill on the

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front should go around the house. >> Yep. So it'll all be flat. >> So I think you know I I I you know as as much as I understand the delay I don't know that uh uh and and we're going

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around and in and voicing our opinions. Um well before I start you voice your opinion. I don't want to explain anything in the chair. >> Um I do think I agree with what has been suggested and there needs to be new plans before

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final. Yes. >> And and what's being suggested is a new system >> with new plan. >> Correct. >> And then you have our commitment that that from our building in inspector and from our title five that we would get that

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signed off as as quickly as as the plan is approved. Um so that's >> so this could be approved prior to your next meeting. >> Yes. Right now it's dependent on the the company that has the appointments. >> Okay. Yeah.

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>> Um and I I am in agreements. >> So do I hear a motion that we will um that we are requiring a new system and we will require plans to reflect that new system before the board of health

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and and before we can sign it off. >> Sure. Um, I'll make a motion to uh have suggest new plans as well as new systems in place prior to signing off on the curtain. Second.

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>> All in favor, please say I. >> And that's Erica Church and I Terry Pton. >> Okay. So Anatola, you have what we've what we've done is we need to see basically we need to see the planning

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that includes the new septic system before we can sign off. So while I while I I mean it's a it's a we're we're now a little bit over a week from when they said they could look or is tomorrow when they can look. >> Yeah. Okay. So uh

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>> so we we need to see that. But but you have our commitment that one of our title five um uh inspectors will review that plan and and um uh if it's approved, we'll do that immediately when we see that

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>> you don't give me the choice. So u >> you could also have another opinion go to look at >> the system. You absolutely can. And I would and and this time I would have I I I would pick someone, you know, different off the list if you're if

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you're concerned um about that. But we all all we have to go by is is the the the paperwork that we have here. >> Yeah. Okay. Absolutely. But uh just again for for the record I'm not I'm not

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agree with u that statement that is that uh existing system is under under the water. >> Okay. >> But but >> and I can't say obviously that is coming from Tom Fitzgerald and Dennis Lor because I cannot because I'm not

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certified in title. I'm not I don't have my cell evaluator or my system evaluator or my RS and I'm voicing that to the board. Tom Fitzgerald though has relayed the message to me and I was at the site at the time. Um, and that is why I'm expressing it to you all. And Tom

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Fitzgerald would be happy to speak to you all individually >> to attest to that as well. >> And and we want you to know you have options. You you are welcome to have it redone. You are welcome. You know, we we will welcome you any time here, but with what we have right now, this is what we

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have to go on. >> Yeah. Okay. also like I I have the uh council attorney. I was talking to them but he wasn't able to attend this meeting. So he will get the information and he will he will get back to you.

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>> Okay. Okay. All right. >> Thank you. >> Okay. So, come come up to the table and if you would let us know what your what your name is and what capacity you're you're here to talk about. >> Uh yeah, my name is uh Vilson and I'm

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pretty much like the manager of like New Main Moon. >> Okay. >> Um so, you're here today because we're we're talking about I have sent the board uh my inspection results from New Main Moon. >> Yeah. >> Um and the concerns I have regarding the food

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establishment. So, I went out for inspection on the 19th of May. I noted 22 violations, 11 of which are conditions deemed to endanger or uh cause foodborne illness. Many of which we spoke about were uh repeat violations

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from my last inspection, which also resulted in closure. Um I did deem these serious enough to suspend the permit for a time. I reinspected on 2 days later, so on 521. um quite a bit of cleaning had occurred

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um which I was happy to see, but that's exactly what happened in my previous set of inspections. Um so I requested their presence here tonight at the board of health meeting to kind of discuss what is our best steps forward for inspections and for keeping the

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establishment sanitary and safe for residents to eat at um and to ensure compliance with the state sanitary code. So the main things that we talked about were proper thawing and cooling mechanisms to ensure that food safety is there and that you're decreasing the

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risk of bacteria growth as well as handashing, thermometer use cleaning practices in general, dish sanitation, date marking and food storage. Um, as well as the food uh fire suppression system. Both times I've gone

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out, the fire suppression system has been out of date. Due to the grease accumulation and the type of food you guys cook, you have to do it quarterly. So, making sure that that hood is cleaned is the most important thing to me because it decreases the risk of fire

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in this type of establishment. Fire is very likely just due to the grease and you and I talked about that quite a bit. So making sure that that happens is my top priority because I do not want to see anything like that occur. Um so the

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reason to bring you to the board is just because I've been seeing these repeat violations um and setting kind of a standard. So I know you and I had spoke possibly about a consultant coming in and doing food safety practices with you guys or perhaps just what we're going to do moving forward with inspections. So,

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I kind of wanted your opinion and see where you guys are at with how we should address this moving forward. >> So, why don't you and what did you tell me your what did you say your name on? >> Vilson. V I L S O N. >> Okay. Vilson. Um uh the three of us are

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the board. >> I'm Terry Erica. >> And Erica. Um so so tell us a little bit about um what you've done between this last inspection and to to change uh yes

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you've cleaned what have you done to kind of hardwire some of the processes into into every day? Um do you have have you done staff re-education?

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Uh do you rotate staff in and out? I the big concern for me is this is a repetition >> and in between those Kaen can't go out there every day >> and in between the inspections the potential to have food born illness

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or fires is is very very big. So we're here to protect the the community while while still helping you to help us do that. So, so what what what do you think led up to this and what have you done since to make sure it doesn't happen again?

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>> I mean, yeah, it's pretty much just my my mom and dad. There's not really much other people there. So, it's just them and I'm I told them like you can't, you know, it's usually my dad. I keep telling him you can't, you know, do all this stuff and I he just Yeah. you know.

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So, I mean, I've been trying to tell him to not, you know, like the cans like cardboard all over the ground, you know, like just keep the stuff in the fridge and just take it out when you need to like cook it and then just put it back in when it's like >> So, I guess what she's asking is how can

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we help you be more compliant? Do you think so? My question here would be, do you believe your mom and dad are aware of the food safety practices are aware of the state sanitary code, the requirements of a food establishment? Do you feel like they have that knowledge?

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And I don't want you to feel like you have to respond to that question either or speak for them, but >> I think they do. We for the most part, I think they should know. Yeah. >> Okay. Mhm. >> And something to note from my inspection that I really was disheartened by is

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there was a box of chicken, raw chicken thawing on the counter and it was I don't want to quote it, but it was over 50° F. So, should be it was requested to be thrown out. And when I said that and

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I turned around, the food was then dumped into a walk and was started to be being cooked. Um, which that led me to a consideration of not understanding the food safety aspect of that and the danger that can come from that. Many

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food born illness outbreaks could have occurred from that chicken alone, that one box of chicken. So, what is happening when I'm not there for inspections is concerning. I know you and I have talked a lot about the cardboard as well. It's things that I always repeat to you. So, I I I I don't

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want to keep doing that to you. >> As well as the date marking. >> Um, so making sure the items when they're prepared, if they aren't used within a certain time period, like we talked about, are being removed from the premises and no longer, you know, going

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to be used is my concern. Um, as well as handwashing. Every time I've gone to the establishment, I haven't seen gloves being worn. I haven't I've seen the handwashing sink obstructed. um clearly evidently not being used dry. That's very concerning to me because

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your hands should be constantly washed in a food establishment. Um again something we had talked about >> and some of our concern is we grant food permits trusting that people that are using the

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restaurants that are using that are cooking food have been trained to do it safely. Um and and one of the recourses here that that that uh you know that we have because we can't have it's it it's

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been twice now. We can't have there be a third time and still feel comfortable letting letting your family continue to to serve food. >> Um chicken not using gloves. You're and you're

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going from chicken to I'm preparing a fresh salad. Well, now you've taken the stuff that was on the chicken, the wall stuff, and you put it with ready to eat stuff, >> and and that's just a vehicle. I almost guarantee that something's going to go on.

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>> So, we have to be convinced as as the board that you're and I understand it's got to be hard for you. It's hard for for children to tell parents anything. >> Um, so so we feel for you. Um but if but

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if if and we'll just we'll just talk talk about the the the we'll say cooks right now rather than mom and dad. >> Um if if they have always been doing it this way it's very hard to change

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>> but that's what our responsibility is. So, how how do you envision because as Kaen said, >> one of the things that we would propose after we talk about it, I I I envision that we'll propose that someone from the outside >> that's that sounds a good idea. I mean,

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I don't not we're not we're not opposed to that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Cuz could be >> it could be really helpful to have somebody from the outside who's not a board of health person coming in. They'll do inspections. So they'll go through >> do mock things. >> Yes. Like

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>> Yep. And they'll give kind of reports to you on what could be improved or what could, you know, what needs to change. Um >> there's also food safety education that's available for all of you, for anybody who works in the restaurant to help you.

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>> Um because it's not that we think people are bad. It's not that we think that we think people in your restaurant are doing things on purpose. um it's that you they might not know differently because >> because it's always been done that way and that makes it very hard.

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>> But what we can't have there being a third time that they're major infractions like this and still feel comfortable letting you continue to cook for the for the community. um thing and and you know, you might

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Kaylee might go in and find five or six things, but it's the nature of the things that she's finding that that are extremely dangerous. Not just the hood. It's a Thank you for getting it so clean and and the fact that you can get it turned around so quickly is is is very

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promising, >> but we have to sustain what it is that you're doing. Mhm. >> Um, so whatever you choose to do, we we're going to talk and we're going to strongly advise, but because we can't make you do those things, but what we

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can make you do is by with another inspection, and you will continue right now to get frequent inspections until we feel comfortable. If if there are any of the of the most serious things that happen again,

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>> we'll have to to close you um until such time as we feel like um it's safe enough. >> So, anything you want to anything else you want to tell us or >> No, I'm not sure. >> Sounds good. >> Okay. So, if we were to recommend that

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there be an outside food inspector and food educator, maybe there's and and are there people that you can recommend or places they can go to find those? >> Yep. So, there's food, it would be called a food safety consultant. >> They came to us. >> Yes. They had been there previously.

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>> And if your mother and father need to hear it directly from us, they are welcome to come and hear us so that they're so so that that you're kind of taken out of the middle. if you're acting as a manager English isn't all that, you know, like their English is not that good. So that's kind of what I think.

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>> Do you think a would a translator be beneficial? >> I guess. Yeah. Okay. Or they know like bit of Mandarin. That'd be great. >> Yeah. So I can explore that because I want to make sure that it's not just you feeling like the person in the middle as well as I want to make sure that the

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everything I'm saying is, you know, understood because I don't want them to feel in the dark. Um, >> and I feel like they understand the seriousness that the restaurant could close. Um, that that that help. But let us talk for a few minutes. So you can

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sit you can sit right there. >> Um, >> so what I just want you to add was that with the nature of things that are happening here. We talked a little bit about crosscontamination, you know, kind of things. Um, and that we're going to

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strongly suggest Kayyn suggests a food uh inspector, but I I'd also like to have that education piece >> um in on that as well. >> Sounds good with the two of you. >> I um I very much agree with that. I it

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does sound like with what he's saying about the barrier that could be the thing that is obstructing them from um understanding what needs to be done. And so I think if it can be relayed to them in their primary language, I think that could possibly make a big difference.

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Yeah. Like it's possible with the whole putting the chicken that you said please throw out putting it in the walk. It's possible they just didn't understand you. >> Yeah. >> And I know >> that's a great perspective. Yeah. >> I know being involved in serve safe right now there there are all kinds of

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languages that kind of education is done in. >> Yes. So your mom holds a serve safe. >> Yep. >> Yep. She recently just got that. That would have been during my first inspection. >> Okay. Okay. Um, >> does your dad have it? Can I ask? >> No. >> Okay. Maybe that would be beneficial

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because I know he does more primary cooking. >> Yes. Yeah. Just for that reason. And what about you? Do you have certain I >> You don't really cook, do you? >> No. No. >> No. No. Okay. Um, it might be helpful at some point because if you're managing, if you're if

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you're the manager and and and you and Kayleen have been in in communication, you'll be able to tell them and I assume you speak Mandarin as well a little bit. >> Okay. >> Um, so a translator may benefit you as well uh to help your family.

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>> Um, but but that's something for you to look at. But if uh you know especially the people that are handling the food, if they both had serve safe, I would be doing >> um anything else and and one of the things I said is you know they have the third uh because we would have to

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suspend operations for for an undetermined time based on what we see the next. That's what I was that was going to be my question is the length of the next suspension if the next routine inspection was to go the way that it has

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been going. How would what would you guys want? >> I I I would hesitate to say anything until I mean if you have raw chicken out again that's a biggie. The food is a biggie. Yep. >> The cardboard and one of the reasons we harp on cardboard you can you can Google

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YouTube. You can use a YouTube insects come in that things things come into your restaurant related to the food from that that are transported with it. >> So so that's a big thing. Um and so I would encourage proper cutting boards

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and and so there may be some some purchases you need to make for your restaurant, but I would say any I'd have to look back at your list, but we we could easily name the the the non-negotiables that have to be fixed if that would help. and the three bay sink

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setup for sanitation of dishes. I did provide that in Mandarin. Um that was the unfortunately the only one I could find in Mandarin, but that one we did go over. And the importance of you know when you're chopping raw chicken or raw meat, making sure that that is being

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sanitized properly is critical. Um and making sure that items that are coming out of your three bay sink are not laden with food grease and and still have debris on them. um and gloves or and the proper use of gloves. One pair of gloves doesn't do everything.

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>> I can handle chicken, but then before I mix up the salad or something that serve me somebody, you don't have to cook. You got to change. >> So, I think th those for me are the are some of the big >> but can can go over that with you and

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and what really what really raised the red flag for her. Okay. So, >> no, I like Yeah. >> So, we're good with um suggesting that

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you have an educator/food inspector that comes regularly to help you um in with a Mandarin um or or handouts in in Mandarin Chinese that can that can be um

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that your parents can can look at. Um and um the thing dad didn't serve save us as well. Serve safe for your father would be you know we we can't give you a timeline but what we would encourage that sooner rather than later. >> Okay.

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>> Um and and you if you so feel if it would help you be a manager for them. Um so any question and and did I state that correctly? I can make that motion because I said it. Um there any any second? Yes. I second the motion. 20 mil

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conversation. >> Okay. >> So, to invite them to open up. Yes. >> Yes. >> So, I'll be in tomorrow. Are you open tomorrow? >> Um, I'm not we're not sure yet cuz I know my mom is still going to be in like I don't know if she's going to be anywhere for a little longer for

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surgery, but >> well, give us a call when you guys are opening and then I'll come with my, you know, the list of people that I can suggest. I can't re, you know, force any anyone, but recommend some places and then I'll try to collect some items in Mandarin to maybe help. >> Okay.

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>> And we'll also come with the list of the of the >> the major stuff, >> the big major stuff that that would kind of be non-negotiable. Yep. >> If if we saw those in >> perfect Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, sir.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay. So why don't we in interest of Mary >> why don't we go ahead and let you >> yes >> let you regail us with all the stuff that >> how much regaling will happen um in interest of time when we engage a lot um

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just briefly I think the report went out um focus area for May for education was tick awareness and everyone seems very aware of ticks because they're certainly out and about >> so I did a lot of um had a lot of interactions with folks about that um used a lot of the um clearing house

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materials, handed a lot a lot of our tick removal kits. So that was very popular. That was great in all six towns. Um for June, we've just started. It's food safety month. So that's our focus area this month. >> Um so I meant to give that to him. >> Yes.

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>> Um USDA is no longer providing these, but I do have a stockpile from last year. So these are great magnets for folks. Um they also last year gave us food thermometers. We don't have those this year, but it was at least a reminder. >> Refrigerator. >> Yeah. Auburn each one. >> Yeah.

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>> And then we have the handouts that go along with it. And I have some trifolds I travel with and just small groups do the education. So that's pretty well received. >> And then for July, we'll move into summer safety. So water safety, sun and extreme heat safety, um continue with the sick and food safety. So that's sort

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of the education plan. Some of the other things we did um last month is we did with Hilltown Ambulance, we did with the um Gateway uh school nurses, they had a half day, we did a little education buffet, we did a stop

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the bleed class, a CPR a review, and uh the tip safety information. So, that was fun. Um and with Hilltown Ambulance again, we did a nice community first aid class at the Russell Library that was already received. So, we're going to do some more of those. Specifically for Southwick, we did with um the tapestry

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folks. We did an overdose uh Narcan training class for the the Southwick school nurses. That was great, very wellreceived. Had some great conversations. Had some open hours at the South Library. Still kind of finding way for good dates and times for that.

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And some open earth hours here at the South COA. So those are the big things for Southwood. But any other questions about anything in the report or suggestions or >> I was I was surprised to see that lime was so small and you know less than five

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had a lot of less than five. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Very good. We'll get a little reprieve from my dog. >> Ohides. >> Not actually lying butis. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He had a little dog. He skipped that.

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Yeah. Well, I do have to note to the board, I have had a couple residents come up to the health department, which has never happened since I've been here, to talk about Maryanne and how helpful she's been to them. So, awesome. So, I had to highlight that because I love hearing it and so does Karen. So,

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>> so they need to know the great work you're doing. >> Thank you, Maryanne. And um thank you for for the temporary coverage. >> It's been a pleasure so far. So, thank you. The job is posted. So hopefully we will be able to help carry on soon.

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>> I hope. We'll see. >> What if you just know what you >> I we I do. >> Just kidding. Help would if you could. >> You say it's posted. We didn't say where. >> Yeah. >> It's in the bathroom. >> Well, thank you.

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>> Thank you very much. >> And thank you for being here. Thank you. >> See you next week. >> All righty. What's next? >> Why don't we do we've done uh have we heard from you? We sent We We

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have your report. >> Yes. >> But anything you want to highlight from your >> Yes. So for the Western Hampton County Public Health update, we have a meeting coming up on June 10th. Uh we just received the budget and work plan today actually. So I'm going to be scrambling

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with Maryanne to get that done before Wednesday and make sure that the board is able to vote on that. They got the state got this to us really late. So, we have a lot of work to do. Um, we're meeting on Friday, though. So, uh, we're spending down the funds as much as possible. Um, in the in terms of grant

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funds and worrying about public health and funding for next year, the state has asked us to if we don't believe we'll spend all our funds, take a percentage of your term three payment instead of we were supposed to get 75,000. Due to how much we've been spending and the

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trajectory of spending for the rest of the year, we actually ended up only taking 40,000 and that's to ensure that that remaining amount of money stays in public health. It doesn't go back to general fund. So, it seems like a negative thing, but in in terms of public health, it actually is better um

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because the money will hopefully still stay in the Commonwealth with public health and not go back to general funds. So, I'm still happy with our spending though. We've done more this year than we have in the two years I've gotten here. So, I'm good with it. Um any

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questions on my report that I can answer? It has been really busy with food inspections, mobile food trucks. Is that what a lot of >> MF? Yes. MF is a mobile food truck. So quite a bit. >> Oh yes.

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>> Sorry. Is it over there? There it is. >> Um so quite a bit of um mobile food trucks as well as I have opened 233 South Lumis' pool as well as so that is Sodom Campground and then um South Acres pool as well. I have a couple more

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upcoming. Um >> what is 112nd three short-term rental? >> Yes, that's the Airbnbs. So I go with um Joe the building inspector and Brian the fire inspector and we make sure that those are safe um for residents to

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short-term so less than 30 days rent those out. >> What happened to the snack shack? >> Yes. So so they pulled a permit. I asked when they were available to conduct an inspection and >> after you talked to them they pulled it? Yes, they did pull a permit and they did

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they have not paid for it yet. Um, but it's I see what they they're up to. I've talked with the fire inspector and it's just the hot dogs that I'm worried about. Um, otherwise everything's commercially packaged. Nothing that could cause food born illness. >> It's more the fire inspector is afraid

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of the fire risk. So, still kind of we're going to get back to that and uh >> see what we can do there. this week is just crazy busy with some mobile food trucks and they have um there's motocross this weekend. It's high school

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graduation and there's something else going on, Iron Man. So, he's very busy. That's on Sunday. Um so, yes, you know, >> update on the um bathroom at Molly Park. >> Yes. So, a police report was filed for that. >> Wait, what happened?

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>> Uh somebody it was vandalized. So there was a bill. >> Oh yeah, >> I swear to God. >> Yeah. So our maintenance crew is wonderful and cleaned that all up and I made sure there was health safety practices involved. Um they do a really good job, but it's very unfortunate. Um

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>> so yeah, police report was filed. >> Yes. >> And then it said there was footage. >> Yes. So I haven't heard anything else about it. Hopefully. >> So are we restricting hours or anything? >> Not to my knowledge. Not yet. Anyways, um >> really unfortunate.

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>> Yeah, I don't know who would be in charge of that. If that's mostly police with the or if it's park and wreck. >> I think that's um it's not the baseball field, right? >> Yeah, >> I I have a name for for the various person. I think it's the same person as

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the snackers involved. >> Okay. So, I'm trying to get in touch with them, but we we'll see. Um one thing I had to note is Edgewood Golf Course. Um, so I was notified that the clubhouse at the Edgewood Golf Course had opened without a food permit issued.

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Um, I had spoken to the owner back in December when it was our renewal season who said he would get a permit before opening. Obviously, that did not occur. Um, so I did send out a notice of violation. He came in, I helped, you know, we got it done very quickly because he did not want to be closed,

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which I understand, but I also wanted to reiterate to him the importance of permitting. Um, I know I was really new during the renewal season time, but I would just ask that I I just would like to see all establishments have to be

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permitted during the renewal season so that this doesn't occur again. >> Yeah. Um, but I was able to do the inspection. It was okay. Um, and I'll obviously go there during their open season for another routine inspection. Um, and make sure that there's still

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compliance. Um, but just something to highlight that, you know, I I kind of want to change the way we do renewals. Um, and hope to start them earlier so that we have a set list and there's no adding last minute like this. I I just think I didn't go about it the right way

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when I was so new. So, >> bring that to us at the next meeting if we want help. >> Yeah, that would be late fees. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> So, I kind of kicked myself after that. I didn't even think about a late fee, which I should have done. Um, but we don't I don't think we have anything in place. I kind of was looking through.

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>> You should definitely add that. There's chronic offenders that should know. >> Absolutely. And it was a last year was a lot of hunting. I don't want to use that word, but there was a lot of tracking down individuals to get food permits and it was a lot of work for Cindy and I. So, we can't do it again. We just don't

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have the capacity. >> I think we're very lenient this year. >> Yes. Due to the change >> and uh I think that um that has to change next year. >> Yes. Um, so we do have two new restaurants coming. Uh, one has opened. So, Off the Hook Landslide. I went for

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their pre-opening inspection with the fire inspector and the building inspector. Everything was clean and ready to go. So, I have to go back now that they have food and ensure compliance. I was contacted that they have a smoking grill outside. So, I did go this week because I was not aware

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that they were going to have a grill outside. So, it is 40 ft off the property. Um the menu is a little different than what was given to me originally. So now they're kind of doing Off the Hook Landslide, which is um seafood and and ice cream and things like that. And now they're also doing

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kind of a barbecueesque. It kind of seems like two establishments in one, but we're working through it and I'm, you know, they're compliant, so we're working on it. Um and then there will be the South Pond Tavern. So I went out with building and fire a couple of

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weeks ago. Uh that's 141 Congam. Um they weren't ready for their pre-opening. They didn't want it to be conducted and they don't have an opening date yet, but they do know that I have to go out for the pre-opening before they're allowed to open. Um the new owner or occupant there is fantastic. Has a lot of food

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experience. Um and I'm excited about that restaurant. I think he's going to do a really great job there. >> What type of food? >> Um it's kind of like an American It's kind of a hodge podge. Both of these are kind of a hodge podge place. Um, but I think it's going to be good right on the lake. I think they'll get

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some good business. And he's not opening the coffee side yet, but they're hoping to do ice cream there eventually. Hard serve only because he does not want to get into the bacteria count of soft serve ice cream, which I appreciate because it is a lot of work. Housing

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cases, same old, same old. Um, with some things. Seven sheep pasture is new though. So, the fire chief contacted me regarding trash accumulation at Seven Sheep Pasture. I did send out a notice of violation. Um, but another aspect to this is that there is a violation for

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zoning. Um, they have uh outside of their it's a residential, it's R40 zoned um location. Uh that it is a dump um that they are operating as a dumping facility. Um >> dumping of what?

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>> There's mattresses. There's house. Yes, they have a fence. >> For some reason, the previous building inspector asked them to put that up, but now the refuge was above the fence, so you could still see it. Um, so I reached out to him. I don't believe the building inspector has sent out the zoning letter

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yet. Um, but I did reiterate in the department head meeting today the importance of getting this under control because you cannot we cannot have a landfill in the front yard of somebody's home that is zoned for residents only. Um, so I'm working with the building inspector because this is far beyond

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just a refuge board of health problem. Um, this could even be escalated to D if this is not handled quickly. >> Well, I had wondered if it was like a small I drove down that street the other day and I was wondering if that was like maybe the person had their own business where they clean out houses. Yes.

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>> That's how much stuff was out. >> Yes. So, it's his business of a dumping facility which we can't have. >> Mattresses. Yes. And I did talk to the owners about just the health risk of accumulating refues in your front yard, especially mattresses because rodents love to live in mattresses.

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>> Um, which is my biggest concern for them because then it will come up to their house. I have had a lot of calls leading into this about rodents. So, I have a new one that came be uh since I've sent out this inspection, but 185 Granville.

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Uh I had a resident come in about rodent accumulation due to his neighbor having chickens and goats, and that is also very similar to 13point Grove, which is a complaint about chickens um and chicken smells. So, I'm working with the

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animal control officer on these two properties. uh sent out letters of violation um for the state sanitary code for 185 Granville um because it is accumulating with rodent feces. Uh but 13point Grove uh the building inspector

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and I went he did not have over the 25 chickens that you are allotted to you are allowed to have. So I know the neighbor is upset about that. Um but I did not record any violations of the state sanitary code. The house was in good condition. The backyard was in good

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condition. the animals are being treated humanely and fairly. Um, but I obviously want to take into consideration the complaint that's coming in of the smell. Chickens in the summertime when you're very close does not smell great at times. So, I did reiterate to the

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homeowner just the importance of trying to clear up the chicken poop as much as possible and promoting a good relationship between the two neighbors. Um, the neighbor is very upset. um rightfully so and we're working on it, but uh that seems more to be an animal

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control uh issue at this time. 403 College Highway, I do have good news about that one. They are they are being very responsive and really working on the refuge accumulation in their front yard. So, they're making trips to the transfer station and I have been seeing

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a really good faith effort to remove the trash. And I've gotten the same response from uh the chief uh the police chief and from buildings. So they're doing a really good job. Um it was a lot of refu. So I the state sanitary code says 24 hours. It's not possible for people

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to get that much refu of their house in 24 hours. Um do I think we gave a little a lot of time? Yes. >> Are there any barriers for the person not being able to get this done? >> Yes. >> What are the barriers? >> Um personal matters. Um, I can tell you

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that off of a public meeting, but just things that she didn't want, you know, probably to share. Um, but there was reasons. >> Okay. >> And then 85 Granville Road, that was our condemnation. I apologize. I realize that was not in my report, which is

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huge. Um, attempt CO was given last Friday from the building inspector. So, Terry and I did go out. Um, all the health safety violations on my side had been corrected. um a temp CO was given from the building inspector and the

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combination was lifted. Um the temp CO is only for 6 months. So after the 6 months building fire and myself will probably go out again if she allows us into the residence. That's the hard part with a temporary CO. She may not let us back in. Um but we'll see.

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>> Is this the residence where it's like two different >> Yes. An H style home. >> Yeah. Um, but they were able to get an up and running. The sinks, the toilets, they have a shower. Um, they have beds now. Everything that you would need for the dwelling. All of the fire safety

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things are there. The smoke detectors and alarms. Um, >> is one of the uh safety things. Um, having railings on the front step. >> Yes. So, now they have railings. Um, yes. >> Yes. So, now we're going to work on where it connects the H house. that's

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also needs to have railings, but it's not a huge thing that I thought would stop them from living in the home. It seemed like they were going to be at the level of needing to go to potentially a shelter if we didn't get this CO issued. Um, so I wanted to really work with them

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on that and so did the building inspector, but doing it in a safe manner so it is safe and deemed safe from both the fire building and myself. Um, so I felt good about that. Um, lastly, just the soil evaluator course that has

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finally ended. I did my field exam on the 27th. I'm waiting for the results, um, which should come on Friday. Hopefully, I passed and then I will be able to help out with the perk witnessing. I can't do anything else yet until I get my sanitarian, which I'm

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sitting for hopefully in July if life goes well. Um, but then I will be able to help out as much as possible. Um, but that leads me into our two jobs that we are looking to post. So, we have the board of health

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secretary. Cindy's last day was on Friday, Thursday, which is going to be 10 hours weekly. It is 15 to $20. I'm not sure if we want to add anything to that job description. Um, that's one. And then our other job would be the Title 5 uh sanitarian, which is a PDM

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independent contractor position. And that is funded all through our fees because our revolving fund was approved by town meeting. Um with talking to a lot of people, they do believe we probably should look into

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increasing our permit fees. Um but that that doesn't have to happen today obviously. Um but probably the next meeting I'll have a proposed uh idea of that. I have to see if that needs to be a hearing um or not. I'm not particularly sure.

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>> Why do they want to increase fees? >> A lot of these independent contractors won't go for our fees. So, based on what I'm seeing in the other towns, there's a fee. Our fees are low. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, we we would benefit from increasing our fees, especially for food

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establishments. Our permits are low. Um and then for septic, if we're going to have a contractor come in, for instance, a we have two fees. So we have the perk test which is 150 and then we have the um disposal construction fee

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which is 175. So now hiring a consultant to come in will probably have to separate it a little bit. So we'll probably have a fee for septic design review which is them reviewing the plans. We'll probably need one for perk test witnessing which would be a set rate and then for every hour past 3

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hours you'd have to increase the rate. So, for instance, that two Hmel Lane property, Tom Fitzgerald was at that property from 9:00 a.m. to 3:00. So, our fees are so low that we only took in $150 for that. So, we have to change that sort of thing. Um, where you would

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collect the money afterwards for however long over it went. Um, and then we would need one for the final uh septic installation review. So, when they go out when the tank has actually been put in or the system has actually put been put in. So, there'll be little tweaks.

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Um, but overall, we'll increase the fees for that contractor. Um, because there's quite a bit of work that goes into a septic system on our end that we just don't bring in the fees for. >> Um, yeah. >> I'm just curious with the um board of

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health secretary, it says 10 hours weekly. Is that in office? And how many do they have the option to any day? Like how does that work? Is it specific days, specific hours per day? >> It's 10 hours weekly. It has the opportunity to be remote um at times.

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>> I'd prefer it to be in person though to help with the phones. >> Um and then it can be it's very flexible on schedule. So Cindy would come in Tuesdays, Thursdays from 10 to 2ish. >> Um but I'm flexible because we just need

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to help. I'm just curious if people are asking questions because I don't see it specifically saying >> very flexible Monday through Friday anytime they want to come from 8:30 to 4:30 um to help. It seems the busiest we are right now is Fridays. Friday afternoons have been crazy. I don't know

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why, but it's all it's all coming in on Friday afternoons. >> Anyone from the senior center? >> I have talked to the senior center director, Lisa, and said that we'll be posting this. So maybe um Cindy did give me a recommendation of a friend. She

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sent me her resume. Um so that's an option as well as just posting it and seeing who >> where did that did you have the conversation with one of the existing people in the office to pick up? >> Yes, that was going I had a sticky note about that. So Karen the the building

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secretary does a ton for board of health. Way more than we could offer her because she's already 37 and a half hours. Um, but I did talk with Naen, the HR director downstairs about increasing her two hours. So, just giving her a

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couple hours for the board of health during this time, um, which would be approved. So, if we wanted to offer her at least at this time, those two hours a week to just help us out, she does way more than that for us. So, I'm even thinking it being beyond if you were all

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comfortable. We had the budget for it, having it be beyond the $20 an hour just because it's only 2 hours a week. I don't know what we'd feel comfortable with, but she helps me with the septic plans, making sure those are all organized. She answers the phone. She leaves messages.

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>> What's What's her current rate? Do we know? Cuz she's experienced. She >> She's experienced. I don't know. >> More than 20, I'm sure. >> Yeah. I don't know her current rate, but if I know once I learned that if we matched that, I think it's probably in the 30, maybe 25.

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>> You know, she's already doing the work. Yeah. >> Um it's quality work. >> It's it's if I could steal her, I would. I really would. But um she can't go over the 40 >> for the interim. You know, I I I'd say let's do it. >> Okay.

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>> Great. I would love to at least give her something extra for everything she does for us. >> Yeah. >> Okay, great. So, that would be two to two and a half hours a week. Um, >> and and I think the one thing uh that we've acquired too and when when we were

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working with um Sandy, I put some stuff in an email. I may want to make sure that that's >> Yes. >> And I know, you know, I heard that the these have to go through a process to revise, but we can have an addendum. >> Yes. or what we want. >> Yes. So, if you have any edits that you

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want me to make, I can do that and then I will send it downstairs. Those will probably come back with some corrections. I'll bring it back and then post it. The only thing I have to add is Tom Fitzgerald has put July 1st as his last day. So, this has got to move kind

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of quickly >> as for like being a contractor. >> Yeah, he wants to be done. Um, so very quickly. Uh Nicole Parker, the town administrator, has somebody that she would like to recommend as well as Dennis the course is also

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>> well >> showed me that his interest in the job as well. So we do have two potential applicants >> and and I would ask we'll treat them both the same or anything anybody else out there >> but we need to see a resume or

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>> and I said that to Dennis came in and I did tell him that we're waiting to post it and he's >> references. >> Yep. Absolutely. So any edits that you all have for these um two positions, if you want to send me them tomorrow and then I

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can send it down to Nat um for that. Um I believe >> well she hasn't Are you sending back the agendum? I I don't think you have to Okay. I don't >> No, I actually I I'm going to be honest. I kind of tweaked the one that we had already seen.

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>> Just Yeah, >> this is different. >> Okay. >> Yes, this is different. So, this would need total new approval. Um, but it has everything I think it should have, but we'll see. It might have some edits. And then the last thing that is of concern

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to me is the opening of the beach. Um, they lost their the park and wreck coordinator left early this year and they had Margaret um McCarthy, the select board secretary doing the work for them. She

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actually just put in her notice as well. Um, so they do not have a park and wreck coordinator. They were the ones who set up everything for the beach. So the testing, the work with the labs. So all Tom Hibbert did was go to the beach on Monday mornings, test, bring it to the

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lab, and that was it. We didn't do any of the invoices, nothing. Um, and at this time, I haven't heard the date of the beach opening. I haven't heard when I need to start testing. Um, I believe they have a park and wreck meeting next

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week that I will attend. Um, I don't think I really am strongly hoping that we don't have to add that to our list of things that we have to do, meaning the invoices and all of the work with the lab. Uh, because it's a lot and we

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really can't take it on. Our our our health department has gone from 5 to two quite quickly. Um, but I do obviously want to open the beach. I'm not sure if they're even going to. I've heard that they potentially don't have lifeguards. I don't know if the snack shack is opening. I have a lot of questions about

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that, but I wanted you all to be aware of that in the case that you get questions because it's June and usually we would have a date by now. I think I haven't heard anything and I don't have any I don't have any contact um that I need to I need to figure that out with

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um park and recre >> potentially. I know they get a lot of outofstate. I I know they get a lot of Connecticut residents. I'm not really sure how many Southwork residents use the public beach. Could be wrong, but I do think people will be upset. >> A lot of out of town people come out.

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>> Yeah. So, I do think we'll get we get calls when the when the beach gets closed. So, if the beach doesn't open Yes. When the beach doesn't open, I'd be scared. >> Are they allowed? >> They pay complain about that. They pay Oh, out of town. >> Yes, you pay to come to the beach. I've never actually been there.

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Yes. So, we'll see what happens there. I'll keep you updated hopefully. I I know the meeting is it's either next Wednesday or >> I've seen a lot of posts, you know, you see on online um about people asking that it

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just be for South residents. >> So, has anyone toyed with that idea? >> I've heard, you know, speculation that they may not even open it due to the cost of it as well. I again I haven't

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heard anything. I really don't know what is going to happen. But >> do you think um so Westfield State they have an environmental science bachelor program? >> I know the um the chair of that

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department. I don't know if maybe reaching out to him and having like a senior or like a senior or somebody who like maybe has a product so like they could step in for the summer kind of thing. Um, >> sounds like a wonderful idea. >> Yeah, >> an internship. >> An internship would be great.

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>> Yeah, >> unpaid. >> We do not have I don't think we have the funds. >> Are internships paid >> sometime? I didn't I didn't get paid in mine. >> But if somebody needs a project, >> not in healthare. >> Yeah. Not in public health. >> Healthare.

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>> Yeah. Not in public health. >> I think like it's financed accounting. Yeah. Like >> right. >> Yeah. Well, again, my other concern that kind of happened with Tom Hibbert, I think, is that Monday, you get consumed by the beach. I mean, you go, you test,

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you drive all the way to East Long Meadow, you come back, you've missed a lot during the day. >> That's a great idea. >> That is a great idea. It would really help us. >> Um, I will see that up. >> Yep. >> His name is Michael Bwork. >> Yeah, they're interested in that. I I

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had reached out to the lab that we use just to say what does happen >> too >> because I feel like if you have a buddy then if one can't there's always someone >> right >> so because it is someone >> right >> and that would look real good on our a

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shared I think it' better be a shared >> it would look good >> okay >> it would really help us >> um as far as so if I were to reach out to him one exactly are we looking to have done and to who would be the point

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person for him to reach out to >> me. And then the the actual action we would need to occur is they would get the test sample. They would get the collection kit from me. They would put their waiters on. They'd go into the the

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beach. They have to be 3 feet deep, scoop up some water, put the lid on it. They record kind of we have a little sheet where you record, you know, what the weather's like, what you observe on the beach. Pretty simple. did that that um with biology at the environmental

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science and I did that in class. >> Yep. And then they would just um put it on ice and bring it to the lab in East Long. And >> um you got it going to help. >> What do you do on Monday mornings at 8 a.m.

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>> Go to work? >> Yep. >> Or >> I'm going to work. Yep. Exactly. So that's my update on that. Hopefully I have a little bit more to share uh in an email to you all because I know our July meeting we would hope to see it open um and being tested. Um so far so good on

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any algo blooms. Um nothing has been recorded. So making sure that we're up to date on all of that. And I I know we talked about um and we may not have time to cover all of this, but some of these things we need to let the appropriate

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committees know that the board of health >> has to be involved. >> Yep. >> The algo bloom. Absolutely. You have to be involved. Bessa, you know, those things we have to have. >> Yes. So best is uh is pretty much all going to be us. So, whatever we see

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coming out will be board of health acting on regulations quickly. Um, I'm trying to get a little bit more knowledge about. >> We didn't officially vote on that. >> No, we talked about it. >> I haven't even really seen any mock regulations either. Um, >> I don't think we we talked about it. I'm

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trying to >> Yeah, it's the like the Yep. The um synthetic versus >> Yes. There may be there may have been some a slide or something to that on that that we're making a let me see if I can pull it up right now to send assembly to you guys on that.

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>> So MHA has some help with regulations. Her name's Cheryl Sabara. She's uh the lawyer at MHA. I'm going to reach out to her and see if there's any regulations that she recommends towns adopt in regards to this. I think being proactive is a really from what I I've done

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limited research, but from what I see, I'm concerned about it as well. And we'll give you the contact also. They're the the project leaders of of this workshop are also at our beck and call. Yeah. >> So they would be at least one of them would be to include on the email as

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well. >> Absolutely. Um >> especially when we talk about this, right? >> They have they have the uh >> um they have contacts. They actually have experience on some of the towns helping them with that.

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>> Know because of our moratorum ending >> or being approved. We're going to see it. We just need to make sure we're on the at the table. >> Absolutely. And I did speak with the town planner Alvin who is going to put together a subcommittee and I put our names. We want to be very much so

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involved. >> I I talked to a select board member as well. Um >> there is some major >> me but we we have to we have to be involved. >> Yeah, there are some major health concerns. um that I don't think are spoken about enough.

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>> I'll go back to see what I have on notes on that. Okay. >> And the other one I would like to get on the agenda >> is um u the use of the open use and

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consumption of marijuana. >> Yes. >> That's that's why I sent to you guys. We need to get that on the clean up. Yep. >> Because that's coming. >> Absolutely. >> We have that we have the place at the edge of town that's talking about it's a haven and it's >> and we just need to have our ducks in

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the load before. >> So, I'm going to contact our lawyers because we have banned smoking bars. I just want to make sure that that includes marijuana. And if it doesn't, we'll have to add it. >> We'll probably have to add something to that because that question is going to come up.

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>> Absolutely. What is going on? Um, now that you mentioned the Taven, why have they not opened up yet? >> I'm not sure what's delayed them. >> Just more signage. Yes, more signage is So, so I don't know if they're >> Yeah, I don't know if it's anything to

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do with town department stopping it or if they're just delayed. It might more so be that than anything else, >> too. >> Um, and then just the last thing, opioid abatement funds. We finally have spent some of that down, which I'm excited about. Uh the chief fire chief reached

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out to me that they were low on sharps disposal boxes. So we did spend a very small amount compared to the overall amount we have. Um but I was able to get an invoice going for them and we delivered some sharps disposal boxes. >> Um question disposable boxes are those

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the ones that come with the need to send this back in this cardboard shipping. No, we have the we have the red covered ones that the I believe the fire department will give people and they can bring it back to the fire department if

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I'm not mistaken or they have people can drop them off and they have a collection kit there. >> Okay. >> Um but another >> to provide it then wouldn't be >> right. They've got to bring it back. Um, and that's something that we, Maryanne and I are scheduling meetings with Tapestry Health, which is our local harm

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reduction organization, um, to go over what is our best, what are going to be our best approaches to harm reduction. And what I'm proposing is a tier to harm reduction. So, in a community, I think throwing harm reduction in community residents faces does not work. It will

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be horribly perceived. So if we start small and step slowly towards something bigger, I think that's our best approach with this community. So something small meaning I think we'll have some sharps disposal boxes at the

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well maybe not Wally Park, but at potentially the bike trail or outside of town hall where residents can come after hours. I want it to be a little bit more >> less barriers. I know we've talked about this already.

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>> Yes. And I want to reduce the stigma because we don't know why. We won't know why they're being used and we don't need to know why. And that's kind of what I look at harm reduction practice as. Um but I did I know we were looking for some data and some harm reduction

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practices. So Marian and I worked on that in the schools. So I have a couple of studies um based on harm reduction in the school systems. Um, so those are interested if anybody's interested in those as well as they do have a

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substance addiction service board dashboard on the state website. It's kind of older data now. It's from 2024, but for Southwick, we did have 109 uh substance related ER visits. We had two substance related deaths. We did not

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have any opioid related deaths in 2024. Um, but we did have two alcohol related. >> And this is based on 2024. 2024 data. So, a little bit older than I'd like, but it helps us because even um it gives you treatment. So, 77 individuals um are

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receiving methadone. Um so, we actively have um >> these are residents, not necessarily school. >> These are residents. Okay. That is school-based knowledge. Okay. I think working No, no, no. These are not just kids. Um

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>> well one of the I think the biggest reason for um overdose is accidental overdose. >> Absolutely. >> Right. So >> I think it's a big one of the one of the leading um so it's something to

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definitely think about and it Maryanne are Maryanne and I are very engaged on this topic and want to approach harm reduction with the right care and sensitivity to individuals. Um, but my focus and what I kind of wanted to bring you to all is working with the school. I

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think starting at the school age though can be controversial. These kids are this group of kids is excellent. I just feel like they're sponges and they are going to take this information if it's given to them at the right age. We're not doing young. I I don't think young is the way to go. But

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these high school kids are interested and they have the you're either going down two paths and if we can help we want them to go down the path of not using >> I totally agree. What role do we play with this? >> I think it's I think our role as the

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board of health is enga so engagement I don't see enough of our health I don't see it in a lot of towns but if the health director can get involved with the school committee >> I will tell you right now the school is very resistant. Absolutely. >> So, I personally had an experience with

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the health teacher in my son's class >> dealing with smoking. We had >> obviously I'm not going to name any names, but there were kids vaping in the classroom. >> Yeah. >> I reached out to her to say, "Is this on the class curriculum?" >> Yeah. >> Can we have this as a discussion?

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>> Yeah. >> Send me your syllabus. It wasn't there. Do you know what's on the syllabus? >> Sex education, parenting. Eric, >> the kids learned three different ways to have sex. That's what they're learning. They're not learning things essential

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like this. So, I think it's important that we >> I think have a relationship board of health with the school committee. I I think that's important. It's an important relationship to foster as well. >> Um, and the head nurse is excellent. Ashley and I, Ashley and Maryanne

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especially have a great relationship and she is very responsive to this. >> Yeah, it was not there's a lot of there. I don't know where they're basing their curriculum on. >> Yeah. >> But what's actually outlined and what they discuss in class from what I hear

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is very different and it's almost like an agenda that's going on. So >> these are core issues. Like this is very important to talk about and I don't think it is. >> And listening to the the kids talk with what's being said, it's actually quite alarming. So you could have a voice

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because I tried to have voice. >> Yeah. >> And a lot of resistance in doing that, but I'm I'm going there as a parent. Yes. Right. So that's very different. Yes. >> Um so if there's something we can do to help that navigate >> that would be fantastic. >> Absolutely. And they were very

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responsive to tapestry coming in. Um Maryanne was able to do the Narcan training making sure that all teachers are educated on Narcan use is a it's vital because we don't know what students you don't you don't know what's going in you don't know what's coming

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out schools these days. So just being proactive instead of reactive I think is our main goal. >> So it sounds like we need to um keep fostering your relationship with Ashley. >> Yeah. >> And and build this in. >> Yeah.

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>> I think this it could be I think we're at a good time where beginning of this next school year we can try to get together when they're doing their I know they come a few days earlier than students. Perhaps we engage. I I know they're hiring a new superintendent. So

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perhaps if we can quickly meet the new superintendent and get a meeting and greet coming up >> tomorrow. >> I know. And I can't go because I'm at work. >> Um it would be nice to kind of feel this stuff, >> get the take on it. I think it's important, but once this new person is

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hired, I think we very quickly, if we can foster the relationship quickly and gain the trust that we're here to help, we don't I don't want to >> correct. >> Our main goal here is the students and the health of the students and >> um if we can build that relationship quickly, I think that would be

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excellent, especially with the school committee and parents. >> I don't know if uh I don't know how much information or like how deep in information you have. Um, I'm the resident program director for the

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community pharmacy program and one of the learning experiences that they do is office based addiction and treatment. >> I don't from a public health standpoint, I don't really know how that could be useful

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>> um if one of the residents were to like do it as a public health project. >> Yeah. Um but that is a potential success. >> Yes, I think so. Definitely. Just need to explore bridging those together, but

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I think it could all Yeah, absolutely. >> I think so. >> What would be kind of amazing too? I don't know why the school doesn't do especially seniors >> uh if they're going into certain professions, say medical field, nursing, whatnot. Mhm.

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>> It'd be great to um when I was a student, I sat on boards as the student representative. >> Yeah. >> Having somebody here and that would be excellent >> being a liazison. >> Yeah. >> And that's great on the resume too that you know I was the student representative on you know so

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>> that's just another thought >> even shadowing I would I would love if a student wanted to come to shadow maybe I wouldn't bring them to a housing inspection but I could definitely bring them to maybe a food inspection especially if the restaurant's okay with it. things like that. Show them what the

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day-to-day of I no student at that age knows public health. Maybe now post pandemic they do but seeing what we do on a local level I think could help and students talk. So if they learned >> it could be word of mouth which would be good >> engaging them. >> Yeah. So another thing I can pose to

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Ash. Sorry. So >> okay we we beat that horse. >> We did we we did >> we can beat the horse. Um, so I think we covered pretty much we didn't hear from Crepe's Teeth House um at the year.

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>> Um, so we'll we'll look uh >> we will need to um >> they're still waiting on a site plan um with planning. >> So we'll we'll that's >> from a public health perspective. I think we already um uh talked about

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having a handwashing station >> out there if they're going to do that. But we'll wait to see what what plan they give to the planning board and we'll go from there. >> Yep. >> Um >> anything else that we that absolutely needs to be covered before we go into

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executive session. >> Okay. >> So, can I have a motion that we will go into executive session? I motion that we go into executive session >> and that's pursuant to MGL chapter 30 session 21 number two to conduct

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strategy sessions in prep for negotiation with non-union personnel or to conduct collective bargaining sessions of contact contracts negotiations with non-use nonUN personnel and we will not reconvene in

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open session so any more can I hear a vote that we go into There's a motion. Is there a second? I second the motion. All in favor for for adjourning and going into executive session, please say I. Idi

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and I, Terry Putnham. Okay, so the meeting is now ended. >> Thank you. That's