Good evening folks. It is Wednesday, March 11th, 2026, 5:30. We're in the land use building, a land I'm so sorry, land use hearing room. This is the capital expenditures committee. In person tonight is Nicole Parker, Doug Mglin, Joseph Titi, Carl Steinhart, Russ
Fox, and Jason Peron. Alita Di Maria is absent today. Um, we have minutes. Let's let's do the minutes and get them done with just so I don't forget at the end of the evening. These are from last year, of course. >> I watched the video again last night
>> of last year's meeting. >> Yeah. Yeah. Last night. Good for you. That was comical. >> What's that? >> So move to accept the minutes. >> Yeah. Sure. >> Second. >> Second. >> All right. So Russ made the motion. Bug seconded it. All those in favor? I'll start with me. Joe DDI.
>> All right. If I was supposed to be there last year on the committee say >> I was here I guess there's only four people who >> we'll just
there >> all right because >> Clark wants to record on >> yes go right ahead sir >> we don't do public comment but if anyone Anyone has any public comment? Um, I shouldn't say we don't do it. It's not on my agenda. >> I'll make one. Thank you so much.
>> Okay. Name an address, please. >> The Westfield News. >> Okay. >> What's your comment, Cliff? >> That's the comment. I'm recording. Thank you. >> Oh, jeez. Thank you.
>> You're here. That's why we love you here all night. All right. Anyone else on Zoom that needs a public comment? >> I see none in the audience, sir. Anything? >> No. Okay. Thanks, guys. We'll carry on tonight. Really in front of us is only uh DPW with his list. Sir, how are you
today? How's it going over there? >> So, Mr. Chairman, before we begin, >> Before we begin, >> I did make it known to Mr. Clark. We had a friendly conversation earlier in the week. very disappointed in the headline writer, which is not Cliff Clark.
>> They constantly refer to these meetings as a wish list for these departments. >> They really take exception to that use of that term. And he Cliff said he would address it with his editor at some point in the >> Yeah, it's not really a wish list. >> It really isn't. >> No, thank you.
>> No, it's not a wish list when your trucks are broken down on the side of the road. Not a wish list, >> sir. up for us. We have water division first and it looks like you have water system upgrades to 40,000. >> Yes.
>> Okay. That is for you. Catch up. Yeah, go right ahead. Sorry. the upgrade are going to we would like to try we'd like to >> begin the phase to loop south falling
iron to fab road so you can loop that section of town so there's water from one end to the other yeah right now you only have water going past the culvert on point road okay >> so the idea would be to be able to loop it through town own land that we already have and then we have access anything
that happened because we still get water that we've been in. >> Correct. And is that the north pond field there? >> Yes. >> Yes. Right. >> Correct. Yeah, there's an easy >> which now allows us to do that. >> Yeah, there's an easy and basically just the phases. We want the design and just tree cut all that. But it that was the
initial idea to get that going. >> Understood and 40,000 is the number. >> Is that for what engineering work by a tying bond or something? >> Yeah. Just make sure we have all the and then if there's any tree cutting all that just to try to make sure because really should be we have the easement
already should be able to go right there. It's just making sure we have enough. >> Right. You might have to file for permits. >> Correct. Tree cutting. >> I would imagine concom just just for the record, Mr. Chair, like to give kudos out to Randy Brown. >> Yep.
>> Who when we were negotiating the purchase of that that Randy or saw the future in the ne city of that for the water usage in the town of South Lake. So, thank you Randy Brown. >> There's talk of a well at one time too, wasn't there? Wasn't there talk of a
well at one time? We >> still have land from the well conversation back then. >> We have that was part of the agreement >> because that land was carved out from the acquisition. >> Oh, gotcha. >> Perfect. >> All right. Then I have sewer is what I see next.
Looks like 60,000 for the grinder pumps. >> Yeah, we I wanted we wanted to up that from the current 425 I believe due to the fact that one the stewer >> the grinder pumps actually kind of they encompass both the larger grinder pumps that on the system and also the
homeowner grinder pumps. So we've as the systems aging it's 25 years now we're having the the mechanical side of the pumps and all that need to be updated changed and what have you. So we're >> the pumps at the pump stations you're squeaking out. >> Yes. So like 50. So those we're ending
we're doing a little bit more of a maintenance on those and making sure they stay running. And then also with the there is the fact that the homeowner grinder pumps currently the E1 series are going to be phased out and we're going to go to the newer E2000 series.
So they're no longer going to be making the parts for the old ones. So, we're going to have to start incorporating the newer granular pumps into our system instead of just taking the older ones, having them rebuilt. >> Have them rebuilt. Correct. >> So, that's going to be coming down the road is what I think. >> Are they going to fit in the same >> Oh, yeah. >> dimension plastic cuz those those had
concrete bases poured around them. >> Yep. The these newer pumps, anybody have some in the system? >> Okay. You just got to change the wiring. >> Plug and put no new dimension changes to the >> but the cost of those new and we were repairing the older ones when we could because it was still cheaper. Yep. But
sooner or later, at least they don't need special. >> Okay. What will be rebuildable like the old ones were? >> Yes. But I don't think they have as many parts. So, >> Gotcha. Jets learned it about them a couple months ago. Kind of like we haven't had
to take any new ones out many out so far. So, >> that's still >> But they're still rebuildable. So, that's great. >> Yeah. That's >> okay. And I don't I don't think any of us ever realized that included both your pump stations and your >> where so when we need to rebuild one of
the T3s and the big pumps and all that we have to come up with the money and that's usually where it comes from. >> Yep. >> And the grinder pumps themselves every year. It could be one a week. It could be none for a then all of a sudden now you got to take five to get repaired then. So that is that
>> understood. And then island pond inspection 25,000. >> Yeah. So last July when I took a vacation pond actually got called. It didn't matter but uh supposedly the island pump
station it was it stopped pumping out of so wet well couldn't pump down into the pipe. >> Okay. >> Everything's still coming in. Wet well's filling up. Pumped and running. Couldn't figure it out. So we had a company um I'm going to forget them but they suck. They we kept up with the wet well. >> We didn't overflow anything. Okay, we
started checking our line and up on Field Street where it uh gravity was nothing. So, we must have had some kind of blockage in the transmission line. Over the next two days, it broke through >> and nobody knows. >> Not going to work. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But we don't know why. So, we ended up at that time we tried solar looking for leaks. Nothing. You know, you're expecting a leak with this. We couldn't find anything. So, the idea is like maybe we can camera the pipe and see where there's different valves. We know where the valves are on the road and all that, but was there something? Is there
a dip from echo down? And this is just schematics. I'm sorry, but is there a dip in it and that's just filling up? We don't know. >> So, that was kind of our idea is to try to start a process to camera. >> And then we also know that these valves probably haven't been touched in 20 something years. So, you start messing
with old metal. So we're kind of that's why we went with that amount just to give us a buffer to hopefully if we got to replace anything while we >> inspectionally >> because we got to open up camera only camera so far and then camera again and camera again and hope get to the gravity
side and see what's causing we don't know the pumps ran perfectly fine it's just it wasn't going anywhere and that was the issue but so we don't know what blockage happened. >> Yeah but so that's that came from that. >> Okay. >> It's all of us though.
Oh, I'm dead. >> The publication scaring me. >> Okay, I show highway division next. >> Um, highway division. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. >> Nope, you're fine. It's the looks like it's our normal the paving smallcale
projects 50. Paving infrastructure improvements for small scale projects 475 paving and infrastructure improvements for smallcale projects 30,800. >> Me, too. And then our world famous paving and infrastructural improvements
for a solid form your standard ask. >> I didn't really change that one. That's the standard ask that we've been going with to try to >> understood. >> Any questions? >> Any questions on that stuff?
>> Sorry, we aside from um >> I wanted to ask >> Yeah, >> Carl. because when I was reading the um cap capital expenditure committee um it's not in that section but it's in a different section uh under debt policy
um it just said that paving wasn't included unless it's making an improvement like one lane to two. >> Oh, but I mean I would ask I would defer to the person who wrote it. So one site's all potholes anyway. So by improving it, you definitely get two
lanes out of >> a >> actually a big part of the drafting of that was by the finance committee. >> The chairman back then I think was Bob Metaga of Yes. >> I think under the highways where the salt show >> I have it next. >> Okay. >> Yeah I No, you're fine. So my second
page of highway and machinery. >> Yeah. And I probably could have put it on the first one. Um, supervisor truck replaced the 2011 Ford F-150 60,000. Um, we've discussed this at length over
the years and judging by the rust that finally came through. >> I saw that I think we're there, right? You know, >> it's in pretty bad shape. assund >> what she got >> 70 hour >> 170 >> y
>> a lot of hours of >> I'll ask the usual question right >> four-wheel drive >> plow package >> I don't want to do plow package >> okay Jeff I'm just ask that's my standard question >> that's why it's still we >> that's why we got those years out of it
>> and we priced it out and you paid for it and all that but I don't think there's a I don't think it' be used and I don't think it' be a big benefit for having a plow. >> Yeah, just because you know day 50 >> we jumping up. So I wasn't putting
>> just asking the standard question for >> because people are going to ask so might as well get it right out there in front. >> Gotcha. Uh next up is well that doesn't qualify and the next one doesn't qualify. >> Yeah. >> So on that page I also put just so we're
on the same page. It didn't make it to the sheets. the side publicly the salt shed 64,000. >> So the salt shed on the west side Granville side it's tearing on two of the metal brackets that on the back and
then also on the top and that says due to I believe it was 2016 that was put in. I think it might had a 10-year warranty on the roof that side. So that was the quote was I just wanted to see if they repaired that and they said you're better off doing the whole side. So 60 was one side. I'm like, "Well, if it's 10 year warranty
>> and it's out >> and it's they got to rip it up. Why would we just do the whole thing?" So, that's kind of why that 128 was there as well. Like, >> it doesn't make any sense to me not >> they're going to open it up. Open it up. Put a new one on. >> And there's nothing wrong with the other side, but it's got the same edge. >> I think I I'm not sure on how they would
be able to mend it together without being all the way over and whatnot. >> Yeah. But that's the skin of it. The skin It's just like the awnings we're looking at replacing. Absolutely. Yeah. It's just It's the weather, you know, the sun. >> Oh, yeah. I mean that also was built to be moved at one time. We were never sure if we were going to end up relocating
the DPW. So it was more of a very modular type of approach structure with the block around it. So it could in fact be moved. >> Yeah, it's a >> No. Well, no, you guys are still paying off the note. >> But anyway, so it's still uh >> we didn't get that with a grant. >> The um
>> the salt shed we did the salt shed we did. We got that through. But we're still paying off. >> Charlie Baker came to town and wrote a check for >> I remember we took this beautiful picture that frame that beautiful sign the same year, didn't it? >> Yeah. >> That beautiful sign.
>> I used it as a Christmas card. I sent that. >> Did you use Did Santa come out or did you have the old >> And that was that was a permissible thing under the planning board rules. >> The sign or the Oh, yeah. The shed. Oh, the sign. >> It's not a sign. It's a monument. >> It's a monument. That's why that's why
it's there. an old >> onwards with the capital expenditures committee within their purview. >> Okay. So, so half is 64. We do the whole thing. It's 128. Bottom line is the age on both sides. Is it they know why the other side started ripping? Is it just wear and tear?
>> It's so high up >> and that side gets it. >> That gets all the sun all day. >> All day long. >> Yeah. >> Probably the wind, too. >> So, you're right. Once you touch that about the other side. Yeah. >> Okay. So, that guys didn't make it to your sheet. You can write it in if you want. >> Yeah. That was a
>> um and then we got 128,000. >> Yeah. 64 or 128 grinder or a whole grinder. >> I take that get that was back in December. >> This is passive. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Over side. So I don't know. >> Yeah.
>> I don't I don't think quotes they used to. >> Right. >> And do you have quotes on any of this stuff? Is it >> that state bidder to get it done faster? >> I don't know. I don't >> That's a great question. is probably the main factor of the unit to get it done
>> as soon as you can so that you can make sure that >> you've got the thing filled for the winter. >> Correct. >> You don't start filling salt sheds in the fall. You fill them in the spring or during the summer. >> Yeah. And right now it's a it's not full.
>> No, actually you guys that's part of your deficit. >> Yeah, we have some coming because it's just hard to get the treated. So we I still have some salt coming. hasn't came in >> right in the beginning of February when >> on the winters we've had in the past four years that's worked out well this
winter everything was off you know >> yes >> off system >> so but I assume the shed cover is coming from the manufacturer of the actual unit >> I don't think you can go and get three different bids on that cover >> no I I got a hold of Cal put it up there
wrapped the one that came up >> absolutely y >> and did you send in those with those um quotes to us at Oh, I went in that year. >> That's right. That's fine. So, whatever we talk about tonight and if you do have codes form, if you could just send them forward before the 21st and then we'll
get them copy for everybody want to get that. So, someone will want to see it at at the Saturday meeting. I know this is above and beyond what we're supposed to be talking about, but if like Carl was saying, if if they need this right away
and you're talking about possibly going to a May meeting and not having that money available till July and then having it done, >> you're going to be in the fall and you're going to have a tough time to >> to uh get that salt because everybody
else is going to be screaming for salt. >> Yeah, >> you could do that at the special. Well, that that's why again that's my pay grade, but I think this is something that should be seriously considered for the special. >> So, could you please I'll reach back out and see what their their time frame is
in general. Just, you know, what are they thinking? >> You know, they may laugh and say we're two years out. >> You know, who knows? >> It didn't seem that way. It was like something >> in the wheelhouse for them to do soon, but
>> that is one thing we take very seriously in this community. >> Salt is our well road. >> Oh, absolutely. Treatments for our salt winter operations. >> Yes, they've done an excellent excellent job. Sure. They get the right >> I don't know who's doing Davis Road.
>> That's the first time I don't think I ever involved anybody on Davis Road. >> And you're home a lot more now, too. So you >> Yeah, I know. Now I'm retired. That was an observation by the the oldest member of the crew. >> Oh, next we haveed a lot of years to see.
>> That will be the 2016 Freightlininer rolloff truck, >> correct? The roll off is That's actually a 15. We learned that today. >> Oh, it's a 15. >> We got it in We got it in 16. September 15th. Gotcha.
>> That's running about 200,000 miles on it now. Um we so currently we our pokey our pokey plastics they don't take any Springfield no more so we have to go eastford Murphy road with a longer trip um still looking into getting the quotes
for our trash disposal K&W's in West Springfield so it's very helpful but don't we got to go farther and farther out we're going to need >> I was I thought I heard something on a lot so you >> don't you might have to go back to Hartford as well >> all depends on who if they get the I
don't have There there's a big facility. They can do a lot down there. It's just >> So, is that decision going to be driven by the per unit cost on what it cost to get rid of it there >> as opposed to in West Springfield >> for the trash? >> Yeah. And then you have to have more vehicle runs going all the time,
>> right? And I believe with the trash, we can bid out for it, which I found on our chapter 30B, which we don't have to but we don't have to bid out, but it's just by the tonnage, >> right? And the biggest thing is if the farther we got to go out, the more trips, which means the truck's not in town, it's not changing the boxes at the
transfer station. So I just want to make sure that we have a truck that is suitable for the long haul just we got to start going farther and that truck currently runs probably two to three trips a day and that's four days without counting mattresses that go to Lilante,
Connecticut. That's usually a Tuesday. That takes longer. And then with the bulky, we found out the first time the first time to go there took about three three and a half hours. took an hour trip down an hour back and whatever trucks are there are there. >> Right. Right. >> Truck does a lot of idling and it does a
lot of so it's just something I wanted to hopefully stay on top of. We're blessed by the driver right now. I think he's a great guy. He fixes the little things. >> Yeah. >> Big things are big things and 200,000 miles and most trucks should be good. It's just >> we run this. We run it a lot and it's a
freight liner and we did have our issues. >> So what that is a great discussion. Is the next one going to have the F in front of it too or No, >> no, just seriously. So, because Freightlininers are freight liners and they're good for what they are, you're >> talking about the brand. Okay. >> Yeah, we are. No, no, honestly. Yeah.
And and they're good for what they are. But >> yes, >> the mileage and the long hauls >> and long hauls and that's the thing is that went through that with your >> Yeah, I actually had a discussion with those guys about this a couple weeks ago up on Saturday afternoon. But the um
>> I think one thing you can consider and it's certainly not within the it >> it's relevant to this committee and that of the expense but you probably keep the old truck >> and then you keep it around the yard when when you do take the the frontline vehicle off for maintenance you send the
old truck down to wherever >> talked about that and also I believe the tradein values we didn't look in but it's a it's a it's a niche item so it's all depending what you get for >> No it's just but you it's another plate it's another piece of insured equipment. There's there's ancillary cost. >> Well, you just said you got to move those boxes and then the truck's gone.
Yep. >> So, if that truck was parked, they had to move a box internally. >> Exactly. And it's a win-win. And that the transportation is a very busy busy road. No doubt. So, yeah, >> it's so that's just the idea is to keep >> But just from a budgeting perspective because you there is a cost to keeping
that second truck. The maintenance is going to be higher. It's it's a higher >> mileage should be going everywhere. But when you take it gives you the opportunity to take that truck down, the new truck down for maintenance or whatever or rest it for a day and keep it in the yard and send the old one down the road and keep some of the miles off
the the newer vehicle and get the old two lawnmower theory, right? You just you get more life out there snowblower working on for >> fantastic. Rich, how long does it take to get a truck now? >> Actually, the the time the the the changeover rate has gotten better. Um, obviously a couple years ago you're
talking years out. Yeah. Now I believe at Kenworth I want to say six month eight months under a year for >> fire supply of trucks compound cold a little bit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And the regulations and all that stuff.
>> Kenworth's the way to go to it really is a tour of their facility out west when they make those trucks. >> They make a truck. >> You see a lot of them. >> And this isn't for this board but just a general question. Where do you So, who's ordering everything now? Where's that
going to fall under? >> Well, that's me. >> No, good. Okay, that's right. >> I luckily I have the guys like Tim and all that. He's He's in the truck, so he's doing a lot of leg work on the quotes and all that stuff. And then obviously we make sure the driver's aware of it, what it custom for him, custom for the next driver, who knows?
So, that's kind of a team effort. >> Yeah. You had mentioned that, you know, you're trying to at least the dump trucks, they need to be the same. >> Yes. I mean, this would still be an automatic. It' just be a No, this is different. This is a one-off, but in general, last time we talked was like
>> Yeah. >> So maybe pretty and shiny in one may not practically work >> versus other things. >> Yes. But this would be its own >> dedicated truck like it's always been. >> Yeah. >> Anything else that you know for capital
that we didn't talk about? >> All right. on the um if I can ask while we're going through it on the last year we approved it but the work hasn't been done and I believe further studies showed that the expense exceeded what was allotted for
the container pressure up at the transfer station. >> Oh no that that that is okay. I mean got our folks back and we're working on um finalizing the monies to get that rolling. So, we replacing the trash, >> the compactor, >> the compactor, we'll be replacing that,
>> right? >> Within the allotted budget that you have, you're okay with the amount of money that was allocated to that. >> It came in a little over, but I think we have money in um the budget currently to cover up that little difference. >> Fantastic. So, it's not nothing that would reach the threshold of another
$25,000 needs to come back in front of here. >> Yeah. >> Perfect. >> Excellent. Any other questions for the young men? >> Nothing. >> No, sir. We are all set with you. >> Doing a great job over there. Thank you.
>> Oh, same more. I guess >> we go. >> Well, if you had the quotes. >> Yeah. Yeah. If you had the quotes with you, we would look at each quote, each penny. >> You want? >> No, you don't have them. We don't >> I got some of the quotes. >> No, that's good. Just make sure they get over to to the accounting.
>> That would be hazing right now, but you're good. Yeah, we're good. We're not going to do that. Do you even want that? I know we got like three of the roll off all that. >> Whichever one you think you're going with, >> you know, honestly. >> Yep. >> That's your world, not ours. >> Everything. >> No, like this. If you have the quotes
for the salt shed, of course, roll off. The other stuff is your it's your regular capital bumps. >> You know, you can't quote us. You can't give us things for a camera. Hey, it's it's X. This is what we're looking at, you know. So, anything that you actually have equipment for, >> we'll just forgot the quote. So that way
on Saturday someone at that table will have a question. >> Yes. >> I'll try everything a little more. >> All right. Thank you so for your time. >> Absolutely. >> All right. So we should be able to vote on everything tonight, but I don't think we got that. We didn't get the paperwork
to do the voting. >> What's What paperwork? >> The vote sheets. >> The vote sheets. >> I wrote I have something, >> but I don't know. I I didn't talk to Margaret about it. This was also what I found on in the um >> old stuff.
>> No, I I didn't find any old stuff. All my computer is all new stuff. Um but in the code on what how we're supposed to um right how we're supposed to uh gauge them and then they have
departments and totals and then the points should of course if this is not how you want to do it I'm fine with doing it any other way. This is just what I saw on in a policy
>> in the town or for the state. >> I think this was a debt. This was more was this a debt policy one? >> Can you go to the debt >> under capital? No, it's not under capital. It's under uh it's like capital and debt. >> Was it debt management debt?
>> Yeah, capital. Yeah, that's different than the actual format that the um committee uses. It's probably in the minutes probably posted online in the minutes. >> I have you got that. I have some copies of stuff. So, >> and then if you send that in a little
bit, too. >> Great. Keep going. It it references the capital committee. You have last week's papers. Has anyone >> checked all? So that's really good. >> You got them. You keep them
>> this regular regular what we probably talked about. Yeah. >> But if we want to just do it on the other side of this paper. >> No way. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. >> Now you're thinking it's really I mean it's just >> priority, right?
>> Not even a priority. >> They're two different issue. This is that's an issue. Debt. No, but to the point, don't worry about us. She's got a point. Oh, >> yeah. Yeah. The capital expenditure committee will disqualify capital project submitts that do not conform to
the above stated criteria, which he has, >> which we've done >> here, >> right? 25,000 and above, >> right? No, but it's it's this measuring guide here by points, right? And you >> minimum maximum possible score is 100 points. Is that >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Okay. capital asset policy. Okay. So, I think we usually debate these on their merits, which probably comes out, this adds a little bit more uh objectivity to it than subjectivity,
right? Because you assign a score, but your scoring and my scoring may be different. So, it's probably going to end up right at about at the same place. >> Yeah. So, >> especially if you end up averaging them all out. That's my point, Frank. Right.
>> Do you have a list of all of the items? No. Okay. >> I have a list of some of them. >> We have this week's, of course. You have last week's. >> I just watched your meeting, so I feel like I've been with you guys for already an hour. >> Yep. >> Um, >> sorry. >> No, no.
>> No, no, I'm good. I >> I do not hear, sir. I'm good. >> Fire truck. >> Fire truck. You good? We're good. We're good. Everybody's good. Yeah. >> Let's just go by the first department that came in last week. >> That's what I'm getting at. Right. And you're taking notes on how we vote. >> Oh, yeah. Somebody has to, right?
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's It's being reported. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. >> Right. Margaret just need She doesn't need to use the same format. >> Okay. >> That the minutes are done. The vote minutes are done in a certain format. >> Okay. >> They're they're available. They're they're probably posted part of the posting on the minutes.
>> We just got the minutes from last year. So, you have the format. >> Yeah. Yeah, Mr. Chairman, we'll have the reason I stated earlier before you guys voted on this is because my name is in this. >> That's why I brought it up early. I wanted to mention that, >> right? So, that needs to be struck
obviously if I wasn't there. >> Oh, when will you put on the pending >> replacement parts for paper wall park? Joe Dei says to the necessary parts. >> It does not cover labor or prevailing wage. Carl Steinard asked if this is a community preservation committee
project. Doug Mglin responded, "This is to be determined." >> Jason's talking about whether or not >> his select board chairman Jason Peron adds Yeah. that because of its large purchase requiring maintenance that could fall under CPC. >> Believe Mr. Peron was in the audience. I believe you were too.
>> Not wrong to be in the minutes. You weren't on the committee, but you were in the audience. Yeah. You weren't voting only because I was watching this day. Like I'm like, why am I here tonight? >> Right. >> And if you watch the minute, you'll see that Carl I abstained for Carl on like eight votes cuz Carl left in the middle
of the meeting. You took a phone call and had to >> right leave. >> Right. But I wasn't present. >> I understand. I wrote Carl. >> No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, >> I got you. >> That was the day after my tough. >> I remember you were you were in agony. >> Yes. >> Come on. I
>> Carlstein. >> First up is firet truck. fire truck >> million dollars. >> Do you want me to write them? Write the list and then you >> I would write just how we did it. I mean, you're going to have any just listed because we're going to do fire and then police, >> right? So, fire is just the truck,
right? >> It's just the fire truck and you're going to have it tomorrow like you said >> on Zoom. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I just meant right now. Do you want me to Do you want me to just tell you all last week so that >> Yeah. Yes. Put fire truck. Put two cruisers. >> Right. Police two cruisers. What do you got?
>> Yeah. I'm with grounds was next. So go ahead. Uh PD was the Sallyport floor. >> Yep. >> And then the server. >> Yep. >> The vehicles. >> Yep. >> Does it say how much they were? >> Was there? >> No. >> Was there one with Bri King in the building too? >> That's the camera project.
>> Yeah. >> Within that. Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. So those three and then >> but this was also as for last year. So maybe the cost >> keying was different. That was the that was a whole town hall key project. This
is access and security >> town hall was 60,000 first piece of it. >> Do you have you have any numbers that >> it was 100? >> It was 100 me >> floors fire police station.
>> That was that was floors inside. This is floors in the sally port. >> Yeah. Outside the garage area. >> I thought that was this. That was the same. >> No. No. >> So you're not asking for locker floors. Is that >> okay? >> Okay. So floor and the sally port which I thought was the all the same things. So
>> yeah. Yeah. Put garage next to Sally Port. So you So just >> Yeah. It's all the same. >> You say Sally Port. >> Yeah. >> All right. So that was police. Those three items >> and then library room. >> Library roof. Yep. >> Paving and boiler which I will say there
is $33,000 left. the HVAC. >> Good. >> So, we have to reallocate it at time meeting. >> Yeah. >> No, no, I did. >> Well, again, >> chapter 44 section 20. >> Let we'll let that play out. It's not
subject to us, right? Whoever >> to you, >> right? The good news is there's 300. >> It's not in this meeting here. It was a good point that was brought up and it was asked. So, thanks for doing that. Just >> whatever. They just just double check it with Rick when you call. >> Yeah. Rick Manley. Sure. >> Okay. Uh, so there's that in the boiler
and then >> and the paving you I don't know if that was five years or just in general. >> Yeah. >> For which year to be >> Stephen kind of went into the 5-year program >> all excited and we were like that's Saturday buddy, you know, and it's all good. So >> I think really was same with the generator
>> that connection maybe the generator but that connection between the buildings out here that's not going to last 5 years. >> Understood. What I meant is in the fiveyear plan Yes. is I think where he meant to talk about them being for next year because then we once we all started talking about pavement he goes well the
li and I think it was really for the library at first. He's like the library is really rough and then actually and then actually and then like oh my god >> everything all got inflated >> and then you said you know you should really check with our DPW guy cuz the pricing and everything you know they're
pretty locked in with what they do. No, you're right. You have the benefit of them having annual bids with unit prices that you can tap into. So for DPW, it's really the boiler and the roof at the library. And I don't think the pavement was >> So boiler and roof.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You mean building and grounds? >> I'm sorry. Building and grounds. >> Yeah. What did I say? >> BPW. >> Oh, thank you. >> That's that. That's >> So that's that. And then today was the DPW stuff, >> right? Which is the water system
upgrade. >> So >> 40,000. Would that be like the water and then the sewer be the sewer because they're like enterprise their own separate >> you just approve you just say yes you would you would support it even though it's the decision of
>> correct their >> yeah we're just making a merit based >> okay >> thing about whether it's a legitimate thing and they're actually special revenue funds the town has never gone through the process of creating enterprise funds which has a whole other acceptance process under mass deal
>> so they even though people keep referring referring them to they are really just special revenue funds. >> Gotcha. >> And Mr. Scandlin can can attest to that. >> So water division would be first and that is the um South Longard phase and then next would be the sewer which
is the grinder pups for 60,000 and cameras for Island Pond for 25,000. >> That's more of a that's more of a project doing the camera. >> Is that even capital think about? It's not. >> It's not because they're not leaving
anything that you own. It's maintenance, right? So I don't know that that I would if you'd like >> more like a diagnost committee should just not act on >> correct >> correct >> and defer it to the full >> Yeah. full boards. >> Yep. Absolutely. >> To make that decision.
>> Yeah. So then it would be DPW which will be the paving for 50, construction for 475, improvements for 30,800 and then a token of 4 million for roads Pennsylvania. Then after that is highway road and
machinery which is the supervisor truck for 60 and that's where I put the salt shed for 64,000 roof or the whole roof for 128. That's not on any paper but that's where it is today.
And then the roll up under solid waste for 400,000 and that's all I got. All right. So, we'll start with the fire truck. What do you think? >> I think a >> good bond. >> Yeah. >> I think for the uh the fire truck, it's
going to be a multi-year endeavor to get it. >> It is. >> So, for a while, >> I think we should put the article, my recommendation uh to put this forth as a warrant article to give the the town the authorization to go and
procure a spot in line to buy a firet truck. Obviously, we're not going to take on the debt service and interest payments until said firetruck really arrives, >> right? >> I know. And depending on how, right? >> You know, the ambulance took three years to get it. Firet truck's going to take two or three years to get it.
>> I think the ladder the the new the new big truck we did the chassis first, right? I mean, we deposits here and there and got it rolling, right? progress. I think >> in and by the way, this this purchase align perfectly
>> um with the fleet study that was done by an outside consultant. This dovetails right on schedule for the replacement of that engine. >> Right. >> So um I think I would be in favor of of putting it forth and and giving a
positive recommendation here. >> Second. All those in favor? Joe DD I. >> Jason Coron. I >> Doug Mulvin. Yes. >> Nicole Parker. I >> Carl Stein. Yes. Those five. Yes. >> All right. And then next up will be
police. >> Okay. >> Um Sally Port Floor. >> Sally Port Floor. >> So move. >> Second. >> All those in favor? Joe D. I. Jason Peron. I Doug Mun. Yes. Nicole Parker. Yes. Carl Stein. Yes. Fox. Yes.
And then next up for police is the software um server. >> We have discussion on that. >> Absolutely. >> I want to go into a little more detail on that. And since Rhett's here, it's even better. >> And if I go too far astray, just tell me
to stop. >> Last year, we had a proposal come in here. Yep. >> About this building, >> start a tunnel. Yeah. And last year we said that, you know, we we gota we got to do the whole town and do it properly. We have to have a plan. We have to do somebody's
got to do the study to make sure everything's going to coordinate and mesh, >> right? >> And and I don't think that happened, but now we're looking at just the police department. And I'm not against >> fixing problems if especially if we got
a serious problem. My concern is I think we need a study done that's looking at the entire town whether it be the the the town beach, the transfer station, DPW his talking this year
>> of hitting everyone eventually. >> Right now it >> but what plan covers them all >> right and is is have we done the research to make sure that this is all going to work together? That's my only concern with this. Oh, I I want to go on record that I want to be careful here
because uh I'm familiar with this project. I know the gentleman from Axis who we've talked I've talked to at a trade show, >> but in case this ever runs up against my own employer, I don't want to appear a homer on this issue. >> I do know a lot about this stuff because
I I deal with it at work, not to buy and sell it, but use it at in my actual dayto-day. So, I know the equipment that they're talking about here. The reason that it came up again, and feel free to jump in if I get up in front of my skis.
The reason is that came up here is the same vendor is a video surveillance vendor plus they have an access control component that's integrated with their video surveillance stuff. Is it different than what I had talked about
last year? Yes. But the equipment being talked about here is capable of doing what I had envisioned last year as a start for town hall. So this is a much smaller start to to do it at the police
department for the access control piece, but they have a video surveillance issue over there that they need to address. >> Okay. So the the the access control piece to it is relatively small in light of the overall of that. And
I I think that that strategy is is okay. And if if that what they adopt there becomes the adopted for the whole town, it's not a negative. You won't have to rip and replace or we're not pedaling. All right. So >> it'll be it'll be be able to be integrated with other
>> expandable and compatible cloud-based. that was and that you know he knows that that's a requirement. Sergeant Wescott knows that that from where I sit if you're looking at this to eventually expand it out. These four things are non-negotiable and I believe it meets all of those hurdles. >> Okay. I threw another monkey wrench in
there. Is this taking into consideration the schools at some point? Is that a concern of yours? >> And this board I mean is this something we need to look at a bigger tougher call because it's a separate government coming from that where
>> could it be done? Absolutely. >> It probably could be done to >> I'm just thinking certain issues because of students. >> We've come a long way with that system and allowing police to do whatever they have to do or can do. Right. >> Right. We come a long way because five
six years ago there was no discussion >> of anyone talking closed entity. >> Yeah. So it they've come a long way. >> Yeah. There's been some great cooperation. >> That's a good point. >> Totally possible, but it may be technically possible and not logically.
I don't know. We have to talk about >> that whole that's a whole another world. >> You got two different entities. We you know this thing. >> But I I think I'm going to bring it up for discussion. I mean the lock portion of it especially I mean that's >> you make a good point because we do have
officers over there >> for the safety of the students and staff you know and and tying something like that in would be an aid to those officers. >> Yeah. video issue is a complete >> right and it could be where it's just in
certain location doors >> right >> period >> and you know >> and it can be as simple again from practical experience >> if we have a fob here this up for you >> right then they have a fob that works you know as a as a town employee you
have a fob that works at all the buildings you need access to >> well even if the school system is desperate you may be able to add that fob to their system as well They're clearly separated, >> right? But you could add that fault, >> right? >> So, >> yep. Understood.
>> Yeah. I just like I said, I wanted to think >> Okay. But thank you, Doug. You >> you've addressed my concern, >> right? >> So, I would make a recommend for that unit and it's 60 here. It's just there's they got so much more there. >> They're doing like four. You're talking
20. Yeah. >> But the video and the whole different realm with that. >> Yeah. >> I'll make that recommendation. >> I'll There you go. All those in favor Joe DD I >> Jason call I >> I'm gonna abstain from that out of an abundance of caution. Nickel Ber. Yes. >> Carl Stein. Yes.
>> Rose Fox. Yes. >> Great idea. And then two cruisers. Right. >> I'll make that motion. Second. >> All those in favor? Joe. DD. I >> Jason Peron. I >> Nicole Parker. Yes. >> Carl Stein. Yes.
>> No. Doug. I just wanted I thought I Yes. Thank you. >> Another thought. I didn't want to thought. >> Yeah. And I it's probably not here, but it does wrap into all the capital expenditure.
The DPW truck needs to get done this year. I I fought for it last year. We didn't get it. Needs to get done. One food for thought, though, is maybe we think about reallocating that police department truck to DPW
and let them get the proper vehicle to move that boat around. That truck's got a new engine. Maybe it's got three, four, five years of life in it. Then you replace it again, but then you're able to move it around and take care of things at a lower cost than buying a
truck and then him having to buy another truck in a in a year or two. Maybe we buy a little time that way. >> You mean give to DPW the Dodge for now? >> Take the police Dodge, give it to DPW, have >> to buy in really good shape, one urinal
and everything else. It's more of the if you know. Okay. So, that's six years new. >> Wasn't it only like 20 something,000 miles on 30,000 miles? >> It is four-wheel drive. >> Four-wheel drive. It's got >> all the boxes. >> Got it's got a >> got the light package, >> right? That that truck is a
hand-me-down. The DPW would work for the uh >> probably it's got a small box on it. >> But he's got 50 now. They don't put Mike on there. And just a great idea for the combined boards to think about is, you know, we got to be very, you know, this
is going to be not a great year budget-wise. That is a project we need to do. Maybe that buys you a little bit of time. >> Good idea. Yeah. Anyway, >> well, that's true. >> We were talking parking recent, you know, and getting rid of their two wheel drive, but you're absolutely right. It it would suit them much better. >> Yeah.
>> I might use something. >> Yeah, definitely. Yeah, you will get used up there, right? >> Absolutely. They'll put 40,000 on in the summer or a year and say, "Okay, now now you can let her go." Yeah, >> that's that's a great idea. Okay, so we talked about the police. We did that.
So, next will be >> library roof. >> So, move that. >> All those in favor? Joe Diddy. I >> Jason Brun. >> I. >> Doug Moan. Yes. >> Nicole Parker. Yes. >> Carl Stein. Yes. >> And I did talk to our gentleman. He will send us a quote here in the next week or
so. He thinks before the 21st for that. How many square is that roof? >> I I didn't want to go there because I just didn't want to get them going, you know, because you That's was my first question, too. How many squares is it? You know, and then they got to scrape it, right? We're not going over it. Nope. >> We don't do that anymore. We We scrape
it and strip it, >> right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> And feel it's just >> That's architectural shingles. You have to take it off anyway. You can't. >> Especially the design of that roof. You got to make sure you have the right person do it. >> Yes. because we found out shouldn't have
designed that with that. >> Right. One more thing. One more great thing about the library. >> Volunte stop. >> Yeah. >> Stop. Don't even stop. >> Next boiler. >> Tunnel boiler. >> So move second. >> All those in favor Joe DDI need a vote.
>> Doug Mo. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Funding sources are relevant to the actual correct. Right. So I think >> right I usually agree with that but the funding is it's already there. I thought it just required a vote of the selectment after she talked about the state. >> Well, there's 300 there, but it's still
it's a $900,000 unit. >> Yeah. If it's not, we protest. You know, >> that was 130. >> It's not 130 for the boiler >> furnace. >> It's not 900,000. >> Nine change. Yeah. >> For that burner downstairs, >> whatever was put in front of us last
week. >> I thought I didn't I wasn't watching very closely, but I thought, was it what was 9 something? No, Joseph that >> replacement is 105 engine.
>> Then we have the money sitting there. >> Yeah, that's what I think we should >> just in case something doesn't go right and with all that funding. >> That's fine. >> And and you just aired it out here. We need to buy a boiler for the town. It's 100,000 bucks. If >> in the budget, it gets funded from another funding source.
>> All I got is a knockbox. >> That's Don't bring that up. >> Nothing. All right, we'll just finish the vote. That was crazy. >> Your vote crossed. Yes. Ros, >> which may not have to happen because if the funding's there, that may, >> but we we did our due diligence. >> Absolutely. Right. Yep.
>> Absolutely. >> Okay. >> Now, all today's DPW >> I will tell you. Yep. So, first up and we So, the 40,000 for the water system, that's still capital project, correct? >> Yeah. >> It's a new It's a new line. Yeah, it's going to end end up in something
tangible. >> Infrastructure motion for that. So move >> second. >> Okay. All in favor? Joe DDI. >> Pearson F. I >> Doug Balden. Yes. >> Phil Parker. Yes. >> Carl Steiner. Yes. >> So Grinder Pumps is still capital.
>> Yep. >> It says 15 to 20 years. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So move. >> Yep. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> All those in favor? Joe. DD. I >> Jason Coron. Hi, >> Doug M. >> Nicole Parker. I >> started. Yes, sir. Jeff, >> we're going to take off the island pond
inspection because that just falls under a maintenance issue. >> We take no action on that. >> Take no action. Yep. >> That'll go right back to our Saturday meeting. Okay. First up is paving projects for 50,000. You want to do them together? >> Yes.
>> Okay. Construction for 475. This is all DPW highway division >> improvements, which is paving and infrastructure improvements for small scale projects. 30,800 and our typical 4 million for roads is earmarked. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All those in favor? Joe DD I
>> Jason Floron I. >> Doug Mulvin. Yes. >> Nicole Parker. Yes. >> Carl Stein. Yes. >> West Fox. Yes. >> Supervisor Truck. >> So move. >> Second. >> We still got resoundingly. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> All those in favor? >> Joe Diddy I. >> Jason Coron. I
>> Doug Moin. Yes. >> Nicole Parker. Yes. >> Alstein. Yes. >> Russ. Yes. This year. just last year. >> Oh, it all right. So, salt, should we want to go for a half or a whole?
>> You start. >> I I'll make a motion for the whole. >> I will second that motion. >> Yeah. >> The only question I will ask if if it's 10year life on it. >> Yep. Is it worth if let's say we sold that
complex down there and moved to a new location because we know that building is shot. I'm I'm kind of wondering if that salt canvas is still >> the ability to move it. You know >> that was the design spec when we when we bought it. I think I think the first
four or five years it is because it's still somewhat pliable later. But if you went to move this existing one today and wanted to put it back up, I don't >> you wouldn't get that. >> Well, the frame is another 128,000. >> So it's 128 to move. >> Okay. >> Plus labor. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Because you have to put new floor I would think. >> Motion's made and seconded. >> All those in favor? Joe DD I >> Jason. I Doug Morgan. Yes. >> I Yes. And that is for the whole roof at 128. We'll let the let the budget process decide how they're going to approach that.
>> Yeah. Absolutely. last I see is the um replacement of the freight liner rolloff truck >> 400,000 so move second thank you all those in favor Joe Di I >> Jason Peron I
>> Doug yes and and just folks for folks following at home two years ago at the budget hearing that truck was laid up and they were going to emergency propose to go in front of town meetings they were potentially even have to call special to
go buy a new one because we thought the truck was finished, >> right? >> And we were fortunate that our partners to the west and north wounded us a rolloff truck till they figured out what was wrong with our >> we will not always have that option was like yeah it was month. >> Yeah. So that's having the a new one
on premise in a year or more from now, but then keeping the old one around as a spare probably a solid >> because really what are you looking at? Uh 8 to 10 loads a week, right? That's what he was talking about. Two days, two to three loads a day. >> Yeah. >> And you're open four days, >> right? Right.
>> And then you also can be pulling stuff on um on the uh days that it's closed to the public if you're bringing mattresses to another location. >> Right. Right. So you're >> you're looking at nine or 10 loads a week, right? >> And and they're going further and further away. >> It's not like they're going to the Murf anymore. They're going you said
Willamantic for mattresses and East Hartford for >> other stuff. So >> yeah, those are longer runs. >> So let's we got to be tweeting about >> Yeah. We're not going to next town over anymore. >> No. Literally. Yeah. >> All right. Specialized piece of equipment. You can't just call up Ryder
and get a get a loaner. >> No. >> No. >> Right. Is there anything else? >> And by having that second truck, if some of our neighbors get into trouble, >> same thing. >> That would be a good way of saying, "Hey,
>> we'll help you out." And you helped us out in the past. >> They'll say, "We don't want the whole different column." >> Yeah. Because we we've heard about that truck. >> Any other business before us tonight? >> I don't see any. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All those in favor? Joe. DD. Hi,
>> Jason. >> Doug Mglin. Yes. >> Nicole Parker. Yes. >> Ros. Yes. >> Russia. >> Folks, have a great evening. Thanks for watching. >> Thank you. Thank you.