All right, folks. Today is Wednesday, March 4th. It is 5:45. We're in the land use hearing room. And uh tonight is the capital expenditure, which basically is any capital project that's over $25,000.
>> Call the role, Mr. Chair. >> What's that? >> Call the role, Mr. Chairman. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. So, Nicole Parker is not here tonight. An Alita Di Maria is not here tonight. So we have Doug Moldwin, Mr. Dee, Carl Steinhart, Russ Fox, and
Jason Peron. Up first, it says cemetery, but I don't see anyone here from the cemetery. So we are going to go to fire department first. Chief, how are you today? >> Everyone today. >> Good. Good. >> Good afternoon, Chief.
>> This meeting is being transcribed. >> Yes. understand. >> So, a couple of things. So, I'm here uh >> hi. >> You discussed some options uh for the replacement of engine one.
>> Engine one is um currently our oldest fire apparatus that was purchased in 2006. It was purchased uh for the discount price >> at the time. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Tell us they can buy a truck for that today.
probably. >> So, $288,613 >> full size. >> And there was some equipment that was also going to be added to that truck, but I wanted to keep it just a truck price because that's kind of where we're at right now. Y >> um for this particular purchase, one of
the problems is that the truck was built um economically um and it was done so on a dump truck chassis and it's started to really show some of its age. Um, the life expectancy of a firetruck in a community like South should be 25 years.
And up until about 2 years ago, I really thought we'd be able to do that. Unfortunately, engine 1 has consumed a large portion of our maintenance budget and trying to keep it afloat. It has some technologies that at the time were cutting edge, but have been since abandoned by a lot of manufacturers because they didn't work out like
everybody wanted them to. And we're having problems getting parts now. So, anything we do, uh, we've been very fortunate working with our local mechanic, not out of first do. Um, he's gotten pretty creative with some of the electronics and things like that. We were able to make that stuff work. Um, but he's also reporting that we're
starting to have a little bit of fatigue, I call it, in the transmission. Um, so I don't know that this truck is going to make it um, for another 3 to four years. So, it's potential it my intentions was in 28, >> right? >> But what compounds this is the duration
of a replacement. So you're you're looking at 32 to 35 months for production cost of the fire apparatus. So there's several ways it can be financed obviously. Um there is an outright purchase, you know, cash in
hand and most companies are offering discounts for that at this time. Okay. You can finance through a bond with the town if we have an available bond to go that route. Um, and I'm assuming interest rates are anywhere from 3 to 4%, maybe even a little over 4% on some
of those. You can finance through the truck manufacturer. Um, and those are at about 4 and a half to 4.8%. And it just adds substantially to the cost of the truck. Okay. >> And then the fourth option is what they refer to as a lease, but it's not a conventional car lease. Like it's not
like you go to BIS and you know, rent lease a car in three years bring it back and things like that. This is a rent lease to own. Yes. lease to own really is just in my ver my impression it's it's just a different loan disguised as a lease. >> Um not >> they'll go they'll go 15 or 20 years
out. >> 10 10 is the limit on that. >> Yeah. Three, five, seven, and 10. So when you do a traditional bond, >> you can go a little longer. You have to get a do a determination letter through bond council and the mass do to find out how long you can do a duration a
traditional borrower >> with and I think even that part of the industry has understood the duration of fire apparatus and getting them. So the the conflict comes from is this a purchase in 20 fiscal 26 27 or is it actually a fiscal 28 purchase
>> because depending on how you finance it you know >> right when you get the delivery it could be as late as 29 so you're paying for it then >> some of the companies we've talked to already are like yep you can pay us when we're done but you're going to pay us when you're done and it's going to be more expensive if especially if it's
financed you know there are some discounts if you're some some cash from barrel hand, excuse this expression, but cash up front will get you some discounts. Paid in full get you a pretty substantial discount from a lot of the manufacturers. >> The reality is we're looking at a million dollars to replace this truck.
>> Oh, yeah. I think you quoted n something has changed, right? >> Yeah. 9 something a while ago. Yeah, you're there. Um, but really looking at and talking to industry professionals and other people that are making purchases. So, right now, >> day dollars when you say nine something. >> So, I'm going to give you a comparison.
In 2006, I checked with a couple of the area departments. Agawam had purchased two engines in 2007. They bought Pierce Fire engines. Both are being replaced this year. They purchased them for $328,324 each. So, they had already spent that
money up front, a little bit more money on their trucks, a little bit more wear and tear in Awan in South. Okay. But 20 years is the life expectancy of that vehicle. Northampton purchased a Pierce in 2006 for $348,700.
That truck needed to be replaced in 200 in 2017. And right now, North uh Ammer, I'm sorry, Awam is looking at $1.2 million each to replace both engines. So, they have both going simultaneously because they have multiple stations and things
like that. So, they really need that. >> Yeah. >> But that's really what we're up against. Okay. I'm assuming that in fact I know one company's going to have an increase already. They've already they are >> you're going to have an increase. Some of the reasons why these have gotten so
expensive just a little bit background is that >> investors saw this as an opportunity. They scooped up a lot of these companies >> and they're holding on to them. Right? That was number one. But you've also had substantial price increases in tires,
copper wiring, and fire trucks have miles of copper wiring on them, steel, >> aluminum. Yeah. You know, >> even just lighting fixtures themselves. >> Every piece of that truck went >> Yeah. >> But a big chunk of it there's been
multiple stories about is about the PE involvement in >> Yeah. >> fire engine. They consolidated. It used to be 15 guys. There's three >> and they're all controlled by PE firms and they're just >> private equity. >> Yeah. And and there there's been um
we went through this with the tower also a little bit is we didn't buy a tower. We didn't buy a tower. We didn't buy a tower. And the rate of increase was seven or eight% per year >> of just that was the price increase per year on a truck. Well, when you're
talking a million bucks, yep, that's a significant chunk of change at seven or eight%. But you're right about the >> the monetary piece as far as when you finance it, >> you you need that town meeting authorization to give you the ability to enter the book.
>> And then the finance side >> between the accountant and everyone else needs to figure out when they need the money and depending on whether we need to start the bond, right? like the chassis. We've done that before. We buy the chassis. Yeah. >> Payments or all kinds of things. But the
and hopefully the >> the challenge that we also had too on the on the last ambulance was and this would probably be the case with the fire engine too is they came to us hatinand >> twice for price increases on a truck we
had on order and a contract for. They're like >> we'll completely let you out of the contract. You could walk away from it. We'll give you all your money back cuz I'll sell it to the next company. >> 50 grand more. Yeah. Right. And >> yeah, >> to where you are. Yeah. You didn't have too much of a choice. >> Has it moved out at all? >> It has, but the industries has realized.
So it's upfront pricing. >> No. Yeah. No, you're paying either way. But at least, you know, >> I think there was a congressional I think there were congressional hearings. >> It has been. That's what happened. So just to give an example of how the industry is still operating. >> So the equities companies um they called
the Rev Group. That's what they were called. and they bought up a bunch of firetruck manufacturers. In fact, two of the, you know, the manufacturers that we're looking at are part of Rev Group, but Rev was then bought up by TRX and Tra is the largest manufacturer of
diesel engines and heavy equipment and they're Europeanbased and they have a global handle on all of this. So, it's even moved up even higher up the money chain but also further away from the consumer. I that's how I look at it just
so we are looking at some smaller local companies and by local I mean they're Pennsylvania companies um you know Ohio um in Florida um but they are they're they're the manufacturer we're looking at that we don't have trusted brand names
>> right because if you really want to extend the price of the truck and if you're making a million dollar investment I want to get as much life out of this truck as possible and I think the money up front is well spent because again we're seeing the expense of keeping engine one up and running
safely and on the road. And we do we have great prevent pro maintenance programs. We've taken care of the trucks. We do undercoating and all those things, but New England weathers are just they're rough, you know, and they take their toll on the apparatus. It's safe driving techniques and programs so that we're not abusing the trucks in
that regard, you know, and they're still considered low mileage truck, you know, >> the tradein value on thousand, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But that's the other side of it. It has zero value when you're done with it. >> And there's some risk too with that with that other strategy. I think it was the
old engine too, >> the electrical system in it and the was proprietary custom for that truck and the company went not was gone. So when something broke there was no parts to be had to fix it. >> But this is what we have in engine one
alto together. American France is no more. This is their claim of fame is the last truck they built. It shows. So, you have, you know, obsolete equipment on this truck that is getting harder and harder to replace. You know, we had to do a door pole, mechanical door pull, >> you know, 300 bucks
>> just for that. >> Pierce, you know, great trucks and would love to be able to afford one, but they have a proprietary maintenance issue that's brutal. We had to replace two seat belts that just for normal wear and tear on that engine. Again, real safety conscious. Got to have them.
>> $3,000 just for two seat belts. So, this is what >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Still located in Appleton, Wisconsin. >> Yes. Yeah. And locally Ethical Allegiance, which is one of the bigger uh, you know, buying companies and things. So, you know, $1 million is is
really what the request is, and I'm hoping we can work with that. Um, there are some truck manufacturers we're looking at that haven't give us lockdown prices yet. Um, but we're we're in that ballpark. you know, it might go a little bit below and it might go a little a bit above depending on on what happens with
some of the raw materials. And again, the the production costs are they're trying to get a handle on it, but the raw materials are very very expensive. >> Still takes about two years to >> Oh, yeah. >> about 32 months right now. >> Almost the minute you sign to get it.
Yeah. >> And there's nothing you can do to speed that up. >> Nope. >> Yeah. There's nothing on the lot anymore. >> No. Well, this is it. Everything's custom made. You can buy versions of their trucks that are models, >> but there's always a little bit of semi customization that has to happen given
the >> You still pay enough money to retrofit your needs, >> right? Yeah. Exactly. You know, we have some simple needs in this truck, but even to get to those, it's again, so it's a little bit of a retrofit, retrograde type of thing to make it happen. Yeah. >> And of course, that that's a change order, and that's, you know, that's what
it is. >> A change. Yeah. >> So, there's a few things you'd have to be looking at whether or not, you know, the full boards of selectment and finance committee would want to look at whether to do a uh authorization sooner rather than later, you know, to
authorize a truck and then figure out how you're going to step in what payments where by looking at the the >> the company you might work with and what their financing plan would be. And then beyond that, you should be looking at what the debt replacing debt, what's rolling off. Is it y
>> you know what's coming off the books that can be programmed to say okay let's start allocating that money to the next piece of apparatus for the year that you don't need to make the payment you can just transfer it over something like paving or whatever you know at the end of the year to close out the books or
something >> but then you still essentially earmark the money with a debt replacing debt through uh fire apparatus that rolls off the books >> we used to do that with ambulance but for ambulances would basically be paying off one ambulance with the authorizing town
meeting and then starting the next ambulance payment. And that worked great until we had lost two of them within two years, >> right? >> And Chief Anderson when he was here had done the full uh truck inventory and survey and everything with with the consultant. He did and part of what they
projected is it's obviously all that stuff has come to fruition, but they did project the replacement in 2026, but at the time >> the price tag was about $800,000. And so even just using a small two to three% increase over the years you've
quickly you know surpassed that and even going to 2028 if that was the project using the calculations engine our engine I think the way that that initial deal was replacing >> by getting two vehicles you didn't have to replace three yes
>> that was the that was the arrangement of how that was getting >> yeah and you know what we have we have but engine one is our frontline piece it needs You know, it needs to be solid. It needs to be able to roll out the door quickly. It needs 1,000 gallons of water on it because you never know if you're going hydrated or nonhydrated. >> It's the first it does the most
responses. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it has to have all that. >> All right. I think just, you know, within the purview of Capcom is, you know, is to vote up or down on and
decide up or down on and make a recommendation to the town meeting on the merit of that particular item. Yes. and let let the others figure out the piece of how you finance it, how you buy it, when you buy it, >> and when you know when you But I think
you need, you know, this would be something to go in front of the town meeting as far as the >> authorization. Yes. >> To incur the debt. >> Absolutely. and then let that process play out for whomever's responsibility it is to go and decide whether we're
going to lease it, buy it, >> you know, with compensation with yourself, of course, but just to make sure that, >> you know, amongst all of the other capital stuff and then and weigh it out and make a recommendation to town meeting. >> Yeah. >> But and by the way, if anybody needs a
copy, I have it. I'm sure we can get it. um was that apparatus study that was done and it it's been pretty spot-on and they did >> what they originally said to do which was the replacement of the tower, replacement of >> the old engine two and retirement of the
rescue the new engine two right that was the two >> right >> two down to one >> right yeah >> but yeah that you know >> and all that has served the department very well we still we still have rescue but it doesn't come >> right we're well into the we're well into the debt service schedules for
those pieces of equip there. >> Do you know when you might have a real number? >> We Well, I've put together a truck committee. We've already met and I said we want to be judicious and expedient about this. So once we land on what we
want Yeah. I can have a solid number in 45 weeks. >> Yeah. Because that's a separate warrant article. That's a that's absolutely. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Anything else? >> Not a problem. Rick Mail. >> All right. I have about >> All right. And I have other information
if anybody needs any numbers or anything like that. I can certainly share that with you as well as a copy of that and initial trucking uh review and uh audit I guess you'd call it. Not sure. >> And and u I remember, >> you know, kudos to you guys and what and
what you guys are doing on the maintenance and everything to try to get the life out of these trucks. >> You know, I've seen some of it myself and and you've shown me some and others. It's It's a lot of work and but they everyone knows the value of that rolling stock of what's sitting there and
>> you know it's so important to be able to provide that service. But >> Exactly. >> Well, thank you. >> All right. Thank you, sir. >> Thank you all. >> Thanks for good night. >> So, what does you got? >> I guess we're out of money now. We got
police chief there believe on young man >> from uh >> buildings and grounds is there. >> Yeah. >> So >> Oh, he's on >> Yeah, >> Stephen is on he's online on Zoom. >> Stephen. Okay. >> So, you have a roof air conditioning compressor. >> Oh, we do. We got
>> We got to take Stephen now. Let me do this. >> Hold on a second. We'll do Stephen real quick. >> I met Stephen. >> Yeah, >> it was one of those pent. >> Yeah. Keep going. >> Can you guys hear me? >> Yeah, we're getting there. Stephen, >> we're getting there. One more. One more. >> He came into focus. That's fine. Okay. So, you just pin him now. He's in the
middle. >> There he is. >> There he is. >> Hi, Stephen. Stephen, how are you? >> How you doing? >> Good. Good. >> Good. >> All right. So, I have a few requests. Um, >> in front of us. Where do you want to start? >> Let's see. We'll go public safety first.
>> All right. >> All right. What are we going to discuss there? >> All right. First question I have for you. Are we going over just 2027 or are we also going over the 5-year? >> 2027. >> Okay, >> that's what's in front of us. >> Gotcha. So, for 2027, I have a request
in for an AC compressor replacement. >> Yeah. >> So, it's a one solid unit ran off of two compressors for the entire building. It's currently running on one. The other one is completely seized. >> Which building?
>> Police. police department. >> Yeah, that's been an issue for a while, I think. Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it's been ongoing. >> So, my >> my biggest worry is if they lose the other AC compressor, the building is going to be without air conditioning
entirely and we already had a humidity issue over this summer that we were battling. So, >> I did my due diligence. I got a few quotes. Um I believe that was sent over to you guys as well. I I just sent over
the lowest cost from Apex, >> right? That's is that for 20,000? >> Uh 17,484. >> Okay. So, here it says 20. >> Round it up for contingency. >> Sure. Which is fine, but it's under our 25. So, we don't even really need to
discuss that tonight. That'll go on our regular. >> You're going to be coming on the 21st, I believe. Uh hopefully you'll come in person and we'll discuss all that with your whole budget. So this is for anything over 25. >> 25. Yeah. I figured I would just mention it. >> Come really close by the time you
>> Yeah. Well, I know. But I appreciate that, Stephen. >> Yeah. No worries. All right. And I I won't touch base on the oil for the elevator as well. Then we'll touch base. >> That's right. So I got I have the roof for the library. >> Y we'll shoot over to that. >> So that's starting to show its age and I kind of want to be ahead of the curve
with that situation. Um, it's showing signs of decay. Um, you know, I just don't want it to hit a point where we start having water intrusion and then additional damage and overhead cost. So, if we could get that done by 2028, I
don't see that being an issue. >> Yeah, I looked at it the other day. I was like, >> almost the roof. Um, >> I don't have an exact date on that. >> The original roof. >> Yeah, we had it washed a few years ago. So, unfortunately, that makes it >> almost 30 years old. And it's and it's
lifting. You can like Stephen says when you look at it, it's it shingles. Found a curl. >> Found a curl. >> Yeah. Well, it's got to be Yeah. Then it's due. It's going to be due. >> And there's no yet, Stephen. >> Not as not as of now. Thank you. >> Beautiful. >> Um, additionally, I wanted to put a
request in uh for paving, which I was kind of up in the air on. I didn't know if paving fell under DPW or not. >> No, that would be your capital. >> Yeah. Not if it's a >> library itself you're thinking. >> Yeah. Yeah. That will fall under you. How much?
>> But that's also going to fall under to another additional request across the board at the fire department, police department, um the road leading from animal control to the town hall as well as the town hall. Um the town hall is actually showing significant damage this
year and large frost heaves. Um so >> I did see that on the road between the buildings. So, are you are you looking at doing one one estimated number for several locations as a facilities manager? >> Yeah, just to try to get as much done as
as one job. >> Right. When the company comes, they're they're mobilized to do all the locations at once. >> Exactly. I think that would be I think that would be most costefficient. >> It's going to be more than 25. So, but 110% and that's to be determined. I've
yet to get any estimates on that. Okay. Could you work with the public works uh current vendors? Like have Richie's the people that Richie and John are using to have that uh paving company representative come out that we currently have under contract just to
get a good estimate, >> get your real quotes, >> right? For sure. Yeah. I could definitely reach out to Rich and Tim and discuss that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. they can help have that person show up and you can show them exactly what your dimensions are in your location.
>> But that roof is more important right now than those. >> For sure. For sure. >> Yeah. Um at some point, I don't know when, there was crack sealing done, but that's just really a band-aid on something that needs staples. >> I think it was done last year at town
hall or the year before. >> Yeah. So, it should hold us off for a duration of time. How long? It really varies depending on our winter weather. >> Yeah. >> Um and we could shoot over to the town hall. >> Yeah. You got boiler replacement.
>> Yeah. So that's a big concern. So we have our routine inspections to get our certifications uh through Liberty Mutual and there's indications showing failure and considering its age um it's
definitely well overdue for replacement. Um they even made a note in here, you know, it's kind of hitting that point of a safety liability and a hazard. Um per se there's potential fire risk, carbon monoxide risk. Um
>> it's just honestly across the board out of every request I would love for this one to get done just due to safety. >> Um not even efficiency. I mean that would be definitely beneficial in a cost standpoint especially with the cost of electricity currently and gas. So that's
>> it's coming up to about 30 years. It had a fire one time too. >> Yeah, I remember that. So the the other thing is when we had the the roof done here at town hall and the HVAC, there was some leftover money in those
bond proceeds. >> Yep. and bond council did determine that they if there were leftover monies, they could be used for the um the boiler project that you're talking about. It was something we tried to get done
through an energy conservation, you know, uh certification thing, but then that just was not going to be eligible anymore. So, >> right, >> I think you probably with Nicole to see what the remaining bond proceeds are in
the last major project authorization for the town hall because there was the roof part of it and then there was an HVAC part of it which bond council did determine would be uh those remaining funds would be eligible for this boiler
furnace replacement. >> Right. Yeah. And I did have a discussion with >> it was over six and it was over six figures worth of money left the last time I looked. >> Right. And I'm just waiting to hear back from accounting to know an exact figure and uh we could go from there. I know
with numbers right now we're looking at anywhere from 95 to $150,000 for replacement. >> Yeah, the quote here is for 94 and change. So yeah, you're right there. Mhm. >> This quote, was this an all-inclusive quote or was this just the major
singular? >> Um, >> so I believe >> contractor and you'd still have to have other contractors. >> I believe that's all inclusive. Potentially not the electrical side of things. I would have to double check, but that's a possibility.
>> All right. And then there's another issue too sometimes where depending upon the bid dollar project threshold you end up it ends up tripping another requirements under the public fittings on whether or not a u an HVAC engineer
would have to be involved in doing a design on it. So, so there have been some um changes in bid thresholds about what triggers the need to have an engineer or an architect work on a project of this size. So, you're going
to have to look into that issue, too. >> Steve, I'll get with you tomorrow and uh we'll go over all this. Okay. >> Okay. Great. Thank you. >> And I'll get I'll get you up and running and we'll work on it together. >> Perfect. >> Is there anything else, Stephen? >> Um yeah, the awnings. So,
>> is it over? Yeah, >> it is 25. Yep. Yep. Go ahead. >> I have quotes ranging from$25 to $80,000. Um, I know we have to take into consideration the prevailing wage. Um,
>> but so far this company seems very transparent and also offers a awning material that's fire retardant apparently, which is awesome to hear due to safety side of things. But um considering their age,
there's no way you could even power wash them at this point. You'll just blow holes through them. >> So it's a request I would like to put in. Yeah, those are all >> Yeah, those are we had one of them damaged before.
>> It's the second to last page near >> because we the authorization for the project here was in 95 and we didn't occupy the building till about February or March of 98. >> It was original one. >> All right, Stephen, I have it in front. >> That's 28 years. So, it took a while to
uh to do the awnings and the window treatments. So they got to be at least 25 to 26 years old. >> So Steve is something they can put together and do this summer kind of thing. >> Oh, for sure. They've been calling me non-stop. >> Funny how that works, huh?
>> Would they be using the same metal pole system? >> Same framework. >> The same. So that's still in good shape, Stephen. >> Oh, for sure. >> Yeah, it is. >> Okay. Yep. >> Well, that's important then. >> Okay. Anything else, sir? Um, I did want
to touch base on the five-year if you don't mind for the town hall. >> We can talk about it quick, but we don't have it in front of us. >> Okay. >> So, that that is honestly that is on Saturday the 21st. >> Okay. So, I'll just touch base on one request really quick. Um, the generator,
it's from 1978. >> Yep. >> Big safety concern once again. Um, we could get more in depth down the road, but um, Sure. We're looking at anywhere between $250 and $500,000 for replacement on that one, too. >> And they just updated it. Was it two years ago they came in and did the head
on it and the service? >> No, that's a whole another story we could get into down the road. It doesn't need a head gasket. >> So, they never did it, Stephen. >> No. And it doesn't need one. >> Well, if you're replacing it, we don't need to be discussing that anyway. >> Understood. just discussing it cuz we voted on it and approved it two years
ago and it never happened and it's not Steven's fault. It just, you know, the good old days. >> There's nothing I can do about that. >> No, there isn't. But I can discuss it. >> Um, right now it's 175 kilowatt. What would be the new one you're estimating? >> I mean, it depends on what avenue we go.
I would have to talk to my current contractor. >> I would like to see natural gas. And if that's the case, I don't know numbers. If we could transition over, I think it would be costefficient long term in a
maintenance standpoint. And not only that, in a fuel standpoint, instead of paying for diesel, we'll just be, you know, tied into a line directly. >> So, any additional information, I would have to discuss that with Ankor Electric.
>> Yeah. And plus, for a long duration event, having an effectively an unlimited supply is a huge value. But I don't think gas is unlimited if there's an issue. >> That's I don't think gas is unlimited if there's an issue. >> It's well it's more unlimited than say diesel >> because you're going to have how many
gallons you have. >> No, understood. Reason why they went diesel. >> You may end up configuring a system where you have the ability to use both f. >> True. >> So do not foreclose that because there there have been issues. one time we we've had a couple of issues here with
the where it was so cold out where we weren't getting natural gas coming through the the meter before, >> right? >> So, yeah, I mean, look, you know, >> there's all kinds of options. >> Yeah. >> All right, Stephen. >> Thank you, Stephen. >> All right, thank you for your time, guys. >> And we'll discuss that again on the 21st with everybody. >> Okay, sounds good. Thank you.
>> Thank you, sir. >> Chief of Police, how are you today? >> Not sure. Oh my god. >> Um, >> what you want? >> It was gone before this meeting started. But that's all right. We'll go. >> That happens every year, though. >> It sure does.
>> Yeah, >> we're here just to make you feel wanted, sir. >> He can go home and get that. Got to feel wanted. >> He could go home and get that feel. >> He could. >> He could. >> This is organized.
Sir, go ahead. >> Save the day for me, please. >> Save the day. Oh, well, looks like >> my request is probably less than fire more than building uh buildings and grounds. So, >> which part of building >> please look at that. >> Here we go. The air conditioning was a good thought at least.
>> No, no, it didn't. >> Even though it didn't come up to 25 grand. >> I mean, how many times did we >> That's been bandaided over the last five or six years, right? Every time we turned around, we were throwing a band-aid on. >> That was Kevin and Landis, too. >> And everyone had a different story. Why? Oh, no. It's really cuz it's this and then that got in the air and then it's
this and >> well the HVAC guy that was >> manning the department had his own theories. >> Everyone did. >> I mean we had portable units in the building for a while. We had dehumidifiers last year because it was so humid in there. So yeah, it's it's time whenever that comes up. But >> all right. Sorry.
>> All right. As far as the police department budget goes, uh we have I believe three capital projects for the coming year. uh garage and sallyport floors, camera servers, door locks, and the ad usual ask for two police cruisers.
>> Uh starting with the floors, that would be the two sally ports and the three bays that we use attached to the side of the building that faces the fire department. >> So all the bays then realistically >> all the bays, all the bays and the storage in the back where the cages are.
This would all be inclusive with with these numbers. So, the overall project is 42,500. I got that um estimate hopefully in front of you from chapter fours.
>> Yep. >> Um I know Joe, you had the opportunity to look at it with me last year. >> We did a bunch of time and >> and the good news, folks, is the drains are finally working. >> We did get the drains working. >> That was the that was the biggest for a while. >> Yeah. So, you know, when we looked at
them last year, they're starting to chip. They're starting to crack. My thought is obviously invest some money into the building now rather than wait till we have a catastrophic failure and have to take the whole top off the floor and it's ended up costing more money. So, that was something, you know, along
the lines of the floor replacements we did in the rest of the building. This is just pretty much an extension of that. So, we pretty much covered everything inside the building. This will be the conclusion with with the base. So So in two years you want them to build. >> Sure.
>> Was this number this would did this include the uh prevailing wages by the vendor? >> Uh they've done these are the same company that did everything else in the building that was um
the same type of flooring. I believe it does. >> I'm just saying sometimes when you see a quote by somebody, you just have to go back and have them put it in writing that >> that >> this quote reflects current approved wage rates through the depart, you know,
Department of Labor. That way you you at least have a a good number at a point in time that still might have to be updated. >> So you can just find that out for your next meeting. >> Yeah. I don't we're we're voting on these next week. >> Next week. Yeah. Nothing.
>> So R if you could just find out for the next meeting. >> And as far as the next meeting, that's a next Wednesday. >> Yeah. But just email me. >> Actually, I just found out that class is at half day. So I will be back here that night. So go figure. But
>> but like you said, that's that's an email you can send to the members. >> Yeah. >> That that the estimate includes it or doesn't include it. Of course, if it doesn't give us a new quote with it, >> right? Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't see it here anywhere. Either way,
>> by the way, R, we had talked about this. I forget in a conversation and I couldn't remember the name of the material. >> That's I don't know how to say it. Polyaspartic. >> Yeah, >> that's the one that's replacing epoxy from all of these things. >> Yeah. >> And these are all quoted as polypartic.
Yeah. So, >> latest and greatest. But yeah, like I said, I mean, the benefit is is, you know, once we do bring vehicles and stuff, this is a lot easier to keep clean than >> Oh, yeah. >> You're do you're going to just deteriorate what's there. You know, >> if you go over there right now, the
floors are unfortunately a combination of white and >> Yeah. Just not not good. >> No. >> So, they're only what 25 years old, they >> Yeah. Yeah. They're 25 years of salt and wear and tear. Well, I mean, when we don't forget when we renaed that
building before we did it, we had to take 60% of the floor out because of the >> underground >> um spills from the gasoline tanks back in the day. >> Yeah. >> So, then we had to put sparing units for five years. >> All right. So, next
>> monitoring wells >> cameras. Next is camera servers and door locks. Uh, you should have a quote in front of you from, I believe, Wall-E computer over in Springfield cost >> to the tune of 100,000 $500.
>> Um, our server for our camera system is pretty much shot. You'll see a letter from Valley on the front here hopefully that pretty much says it could be today, it could be tomorrow, it could be next year, we don't know. But it's it's definitely on its way out. Uh, we had hoped to cover some of this stuff on a grant that had bu dealt with body
cameras. You did get the grant yesterday. >> You did. >> Didn't include what we're looking for here. So >> So what'd you get it for? >> 28,000 and change. And it's basically for the cameras themselves. And >> for the body cameras. >> Yeah. >> Gotcha.
>> So we going down that road. >> How old How old are the door locks? Cuz I thought you guys just did them like 10 years ago, didn't you? >> Uh the current door locks we have um those are through IBS security years and years ago. >> Yeah. We've had some that have been updated uh more recently, but the original locks
are, you know, they're the better part of 20 20 25 years old at this point. >> Mr. Chairman, I'm going to >> excuse myself from any discussion for the for this >> for this particular quote and this
particular item. >> Yep. Understood. >> For obvious reasons. Yeah. >> I do want to talk generally though, >> please. Um because this came in front of CAP from last year and it's a town fall proposal. >> Yes, it did. >> Right. >> Um so not discussing this general quote
but in general this is an initiative that >> so the bigger question is this package into that? >> Correct. And we need to make the the town should make sure that it does, right? So that we eventually move from
>> if this is this the genesis of the project. Last year we were talking about this being the genesis of the project and then moving to >> other buildings. >> If this ends up being the genesis of a project, make sure that >> it's, you know, cloud-based and you can
have a single pane of glass to manage all of your asset buildings, >> right? from the library to the town hall to the fire to the police and have it be managed as a singular thing with no on premise servers that are going to age out. You can see that the equipment like
the hardware and stuff that's already there for some of the door locks probably still good. We probably can even reuse a lot of it. It's the control system that that runs it. So, um >> I actually met this guy in Boston. >> We did a long long time.
>> Right. Right. That's the the guy from access who we I know. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Long talk dealing with >> are some of these things rent >> um able to be done under one of those mass IT agency um grants where sometimes
we've been able to um get >> Yeah. uh we've been able to get some funding from that agency and the agency will say look at we'll pay for x amount of dollars and you'll have to pick up the rest and then we go and deal with that through town meeting as a local share and we leverage each of them
because I mean I see I see some of your your quotes here and these are all state contractors I mean your cruiser quote that's state contract or the IT one that's a state contract they're all they've already been bid out they're already approved state vendors >> correct >> so you got good numbers there Right.
>> So, I was just wondering I was just wondering whether or not some of that you're able to >> go through that process. I mean, we we did several at least I think three years worth of grants. Well, I think one year we couldn't do it because you have to sometimes you got to take a year off,
>> right? So when we were able to leverage some monies from the bottle well through the the IT grant program. >> I'll check with Nicole tomorrow on >> recommend looking at DHS because ours is partially funded and the base of
employment there was some DHS >> federal federal money. >> Yeah. >> Right. Is that direct funding or through a state like EOPS >> over there? That was way above my pay grade cell but I do know that there was when we switched over to the FOB system. Yeah, >> that was there was some DHS grant
funding involved. >> I because really yeah when we look at this you already have experience Jason being in a facility >> that has to have the same pieces of equipment. >> You like Mr. Mglin said we've talked about it when I was on one click and you're done. You don't have it's a
little plastic fob have to worry about keys no more. >> Someone comes you add someone to the firm you add them you give them a badge it works. I know >> somebody leaves the firm you turn it off and their badge no longer works. If you get the badge back, that's great. You'd save three bucks. But >> yeah, more than three bucks now. Trust
me. Right there. Right. But you, you know, you can use it. >> You know, it's for security purposes. And, you know, we've incurred expenses numerous times. In fact, I think we've run out the clock on rekeying this building. We >> cycle through all the keys that you can go through
>> in theory. In theory. And so, you know, >> I mean, I know talking with Sergeant Wescott, who was the one that put most of this quote together, >> uh, and talking with the vendors themselves, you know, one of these systems will allow you to see if a door is locked, if a door is pegged open, allows you to see all these things,
whereas the current system just says, >> you know, Joe Deedi tapped in on Monday at 5:00, >> right? >> And that's it. You don't go back out, so you don't really know, >> right? All right. Thank you. at home when I open the window and my wife said,
"Did you open the window?" >> Same state. >> If you want to talk about them, >> Greater Boston Police Council, Bayorn, Boston Area Police Emergency Response Network. >> Yep. >> I remember all those. >> So, the cruisers we asked for two again.
We gave you quotes for a gas model, a hybrid model, which for some reason the price were exactly the same. I'm not really sure why, but >> we've still heard through the grapevine, stay away from them as long as you can. >> From Mark, >> I just can't imagine how that >> and talking with the state troopers.
>> I mean, I I might entertain one as an admin vehicle, but as a regular patrol, they're going to >> No. Well, do right, but I think we have a requirement under the green energy designation of >> We do have one. >> Let them figure that out under the procurement side of this. We're just looking at if they're the same dollars,
we're talking two cruisers. So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. you know, under the purview of this this committee. >> Correct. >> Yeah. Which, by the way, interesting read. If there was a grant, let's say you went for a community compact grant
and got all of that or most of it that would take the expenditure under 25,000 that would not be subject to review by capital, >> right? >> Yeah. literally just >> I don't know cuz I always thought the bylaw excludes certain things
specifically like chapter 90 and things like that but I always thought regardless of fund source that it did end up still coming under the committee's perview under the bylaw in terms of what its legislative intent was
>> the last I'm sure you saw that one >> I honestly I did what's that >> the is for a replacement truck, >> a truck >> which is 51ish, >> 51,000. >> But what would you be doing?
>> I mean, the car >> get rid of that truck. >> Got fixed last sat down with me and went over. >> Yeah, you've got a truck. >> Um, he feels if there's a year that they can slide the truck in, it would be this. This would be this year. >> And he showed me the mileage of the
other cruisers and and all the way out >> and this would be the the time to do it. The current truck one cruiser one cruiser you would be in l of cruiser >> be one in one but the number would be a little >> the number on that'll be a little higher we should still be able to fit it in
that number if there's any overages which >> you still could do it within that >> yeah there's any overage it'd be very small we could suck that up somewhere else so >> well that'd be up the US chief and the police commission to determine that not review of this
>> so then you know we did put a motor behind the wheel >> so Just a matter of if that if that would end up at >> it'll be >> talking about the Dodge or the Dodge at DPW would be I figured it end up at Wally Park as a four-wheel drive that's outside of our
winter on the road. >> Yeah. >> That'll be a TCA. >> It's still a good >> Still a good truck, but I it's not really sufficient for our need based on that boat. >> That boat that you bought is >> is big. >> It's big. is big and that's got four coils and you stop and the whole thing >> it pulls it it toes it but like you
would say >> so you need you need a certain minimum specified >> we need we need a three ton truck yeah the vote is very popular it's got this latest and greatest the equivalent of a 250 or higher >> 250 350 I think we quoted a 250 here I
>> was going to say 350 would be huge >> but they're probably cheaper depending I mean availability wise they they may be they're probably cheaper on all right >> any Any questions? >> No, sir. >> We're good. You have any? >> No. >> All right. >> Well, we appreciate you coming in. Or do
you want me here next week, too? Are we good with that? >> We're good with that. So, good. Unless something else pops up. Are you looking for another fire truck or anything? Maybe. >> No. Get you a good deal on paint. Look real nice. >> Yeah, I know. You a real nice one for blue lights. >> Can you pull the fire? >> Sure.
>> Why don't we call it a dive team try? >> We did. >> Yeah, we got one of those. We did that, but it's still red for some reason. I don't know. go in at night. >> Yeah. >> When to get the new card act. >> All right. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Excellent. >> Thank you. >> Good seeing you, Chief. >> Me, too.
>> All right. So, what's not on here is reorganizing the board. Um, so we should do that. I need >> You should do it next week if it's not on the agenda. >> You want to wait till next week? >> Yeah, we'll put it on the agenda for next week. >> Okay.
Thank you. Any new any we need minutes for next week from last year I'm pretty >> we closed out >> we closed it out at the last meeting of the CAPCOM ahead of town meeting >> accepting >> and accepted the minutes as
>> yes >> okay good >> because it's always a problem when you get a board either a year or a board that's going away >> was that the 18th Doug right that was the 18th >> listen I remember it was last year don't ask to me down to a date >> well I remember >> all right so that's all set thank my birthday.
>> There's no need to do. >> So, reorganize and I will >> but then we'll do minutes for >> I promise you a list of Jeff's stuff that's 25,000. We'll fix that problem, too. >> And they were supposed to have that. >> What was the cemetery coming in? Any idea? >> Yeah, it says they're looking to buy two
of the um the vaults that are above ground. What's the name? >> Polar bearings. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's right. lease has talked about those. >> Yeah. 35,000. So that triggers us. I think they're going to use the funding from that
>> trust >> trust they have, but it still ends up going through us. >> Um the only question I have it says has one or two. >> You should kind of know what the price is. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? 35 or one. That's
fine. Just >> No, it's um >> But it's in your budget book then. >> It's in the budget book. Yeah. So, and I guess they don't have to come in front of us anymore either. So, it'll probably just be clarification if it's one or two. Not that it matters. >> Well, we can ask them back next week.
Yeah. Or send the information whether it's one or two. >> That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's all they have. That's it. So, all right. I will let you guys know what we have for next week. We have solid waste for sure. TPW.
>> Yeah, he's got quite a bit. >> Oh, yeah. Um, >> wow. >> And uh I think that's about it. >> Water. >> Yeah. Water, sewer, >> conservation, what are they? Yes. >> Oh, it's not. It's that we have too much on here. >> Okay. Yeah.
>> Okay. >> Do you And Mr. Chairman, do you anticipate having further meetings of capital expenditures? >> No, I think we're meeting before after next week. >> Next week. And we're going to vote next week. >> Correct. But if there were other items that come in come up between now and the
closing of the warrant, this board could meet again if it had to. Absolutely. >> If it had but generally the recommendations I think under the bylaw, don't they say March 15th? >> It does. That's why we were >> the dates we use >> that is the deadline. >> Yeah.
>> For the committee. >> And >> last year we were a few days late. So >> normally we always have everything. I mean >> I'll submit a report with recommendations to the board of selectment in the finest respect to anticipating capital. >> Yeah. And we usually have everything fire was a you know it's always on the
28 >> you know year 28 but you know we all looked at it. Um and he's right it is three years out. >> Yeah. >> So whether we order it this year or next year it's going to matter. >> It's you know with certain things that happens too where you need to commit
>> the resources to do it. You may not commit the dollars, >> right? >> But the intent in you really >> give them the authority to go. >> You need the authorization from a town meeting vote to >> Yes. And so give you that authority to do whatever those preliminary steps are, even if it includes
>> partial appropriations. >> Correct. >> You know, you could do a partial appropriation in free cash and you know, maybe that deals with some of the other stuff about holding a number or the buying of a chassis. Maybe you need
sometimes you could do like um phase notices to proceed like oh we'll we'll we'll endorse this amount of money for this time >> right we did that for I think the the the new the new fire apparatus we bought the chassis first >> yeah had to put so much down on that ambulance
>> but you had to go that >> but you had to go in front of town meeting to buy Absolutely to start that front >> that's all that's and that's what this board is really concern or this committee is concerned with the actual mechanics >> the gross the gross Overall aggregate authorization. >> Yep. >> Right.
>> All right. Mr. Fox, any questions? >> No. >> No. >> Jason Peron? >> None, sir. >> Doug Mglin, >> I'm good. Thank you. >> Mr. Steinher, >> I'm fine for now. >> I need a motion to adjurnn. >> So move. Second. >> Second. >> All those in favor? Joe? Diddy. I >> Doug Mglin. Yes.
>> Jason Coron. I >> Fox. >> Carl Stein. I >> folks, our next one is next uh Wednesday the 11th and I believe it'll be at 5:30. Have a good day.