will take attendance starting with Dennis >> Dennis Clark here >> Nor Chver >> Jerry Brier >> Kevin Sullivy rear and Bob Gart >> please note we have a quorum >> first item on our agenda is is public
comment is anybody in the audience that would like to speak for anything that's not on the agenda we have anybody online Okay. >> Any noise? >> So, our first public hearing
is an application for an RDA for 377 North Louis Street. I'll read that call in just a minute. Want to find it? >> Oh, it's not. Oh, >> are you looking?
>> How are you? >> Okay. The South Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and the Southwork Conservation Commission regulations and
biol chapters 182 and chapter 450 for requests for determination. Project location is 377 North Lumis Street, South Hook, Mass, Map 15, parcel 005-0000. The applicant proposes tree removal and
septic work within the 100 foot buffer of a wetland. There'll be a join Zoom meeting held on August 3rd, 2026 at the Southwood Town Hall. And with that, we'll open up the public
hearing to the petitioner or his representative. >> Uh, right here Steve Mo and Kelly Mountain want to come up. Come on down. name and >> address 377 North
377 North. Would you like to give us a brief description of of the >> We just purchased the property probably a month and a half ago and we were under the stipulation that everything was approved for the septic design and everything and uh so when we put up the
sub fence and everything came out the Sabrina came out and there was a tree where the leech field has to go. So there is one tree that definitely has to be removed. Uh, and there's two ab budding trees along the I don't know seasonal runoff or some swale there that
are close ab budding, but the trees are very large and they're approaching the dwelling. So, either we want to just prune them or remove one and leave and prune the other one. >> So, I did approve the septic work back
in December of last year when I reviewed it. It looked like um on mass GIS that there was just there's a hydraulic connection and that the work limit of work was 70 feet from the hydraulic connection. However, um in April of this
spring, um I went out to their neighboring property for a possible violation and um I had that um homeowner do call up a wetland scientist to see if there were jurisdictional area jurisdictional areas on his property and
there were and so this is part of that hydraulic connection that's on GIS um which is connected to the a larger bordering vegetative wetland over there. Um when I went out on a site visit, it um clearly I knew what was out there or
I had a better idea of what was out there. So um in addition to the trees um being possibly removed, I also wanted the this project to be reviewed because I think it's a lot closer than 70 ft. Like maybe around
15 to 20 ft. This is a septic repair. >> Repair. >> Yeah. Repair. Um, and normally if it's um in the outer 50 buffer, I ju I just approve it. Um, but anything closer than that, I think needs to be
reviewed by you guys. >> Is there a map there or something? >> There's I have the septic plan. Well, so let me just point you to this map right here. Um, we've got the the house right here. And then in these circles are the
the proposed trees to be removed. >> So the one closest to right there is the one that is in where the leaf field is and it's a smaller crab apple tree. >> The other two are larger. One's a kapa tree and one's a maple tree. >> Are we here just for the trees or for
the trees? And this >> and this and the septic. I want you guys to review the work for the septic as well. So here's the um plan that um I had approved. back in December. And here's the
dwelling. Here's the um septic. And here's the hydraulic connection. And in this map, it said 70 ft from the hydraulic connection. But um I feel like the wetlands are more more along the lines of right here. Um the silt fence
has already been installed. Um I went there and checked it out. It looked it looked fine. it just uh when I went on site I I really felt like this needed to be reviewed through an RDA. >> So the reserve is within the system
itself. >> What's the reserve >> when you have a chair? You might explain them. You just sore or you septic also just former >> when you have a when you have a septic design you have to have an alternate
area in case one fails so they have a reserve but you can have a reserve within >> well this isn't a new >> it's not a new it's a >> this is an existing system >> it's an existing system >> uh with house that was built I think in
the 1920s I think you said >> yes I think 32 >> 193 place in the leechfield Oh yeah, the leak field is what the >> uh debox failed or whatever. >> And that's within Well, Sabrina seems to think it might be within a 50ft bumper. Yeah,
>> is our concern. >> Yeah, I don't know exactly where the wetland lines are, but it just looked a little too close for me to say. >> What is that hydraulic connection? Is that a stream or a ditch? >> Right now, it's dry as a bump. >> It's dry. It's there. So, there's a like
an a field >> and there's no other place you can put that leech field. So there's no other place >> you're here. It's a formality basically. >> We bought the house thinking everything was good to go. >> And the tree is something you >> he has to get rid of that first tree.
>> The other two if we could just prune them or lose the maple. >> I would say that if if it's in your best interest if you're while you're there if you want to take the tree down and then replant them because a tree especially maple with the roots in your leech field could cause problems.
>> Yeah. I think that's what did the leech field in the roots. So >> that cryable tree growing out of your current leech field. >> Yes. >> No kill. >> Yes. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> I mean I would that would be my suggestion is if they they need to take them down, take them down and then just
plant them like even if we they replanted it or >> two have to come back again >> somewhere somewhere away from so it doesn't >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We have no problem planting anything. I wouldn't have a problem with taking that tree down. >> Yeah, I wouldn't want it right that
close to my field. >> The plan that said to pump and remove the tank as if the pump and replace the tank. >> It's replacing the tank. So, we hired >> Yeah, it's being replaced.
>> It's a good idea. >> Yeah. I'm just looking like where's it going to go? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Take it out. >> The hydraulic connection. >> Yeah. Just put the pipe right into the river. >> I'd be inclined to find it negative. I don't know about anybody else, but
>> yeah, I agree. >> Motion, Norm. >> Well, there's no further discussion. >> A couple trees back, right? >> Yeah. >> Definitely replace some trees. Yeah. We plan on putting a there's a driveway right here, a easement, and we plan on
putting arbories along it and doing something along that buffer there with shrubs or something. >> So, yes, I will take a motion. >> I'll make a motion to find the project negative. >> I'll second. Okay, I just made the
motion and Kevin made the second and this is to include the removal of the three trees. >> Okay. >> With the condition of planting, >> right? >> Replacing them. >> Typical stuff.
>> Yeah. >> Hey, let's go a roll call vote. >> Andy I Dennis I >> nor I >> Jerry I >> unanimous vote for negative determination which is what you were looking for. >> Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much.
>> Next item on the agenda is a continuation of RDA 22 Shore Road. The applicant proposes residential site improvements within buffer zone to Lake Congam. And we'll open this. >> Hello everyone.
>> Brian Nelson from Arlobe Associates. Um, apologize. I wasn't able to attend the last meeting, but I believe there's some discussion regarding the, um, storm water runoff from the house. Um, and so people filling in for me in the office.
Uh, they had sent Sabrina revised plan. It kind of had a typical dry well installed, uh, or to be installed. However, uh upon discussing this with the property owner, um that location, there really isn't any way to access equipment. I don't know if
anyone did a site visit this property yet, but um there's a series of cascading, you know, timber walls and retaining walls out front and trees that prohibit getting any sort of machine to install a sizable dry well at the rear of the property or downhill where the
roof gutters could go. Um, so that we don't think is really feasible. Uh, at least the size we were showing and the property owner was hoping that since there's no increase in impervious on the site, they're really just doing a
vertical addition to the house um that they're not increasing any storm water and they've had good luck to date with all the drainage, no erosion issues. Um, and since there's no increase in storm water, they were requesting that they could proceed without having to install
some sort of >> additional mitigation for the roof runoff. Um, so we rescended that most recent plan that was submitted. Yeah. >> Um, and are going with the prior one. So here to discuss that tonight with the commission.
>> Are they adding any outlets any of the roof? Uh so any gutter drains would be tied into the existing drains that >> existing drains? >> Yep. Yep. >> Existing for a new drain around the house. >> Uh for roof runoff. Yes. >> And where is that? >> Um
>> there was one or two on this. So if you're standing at the road looking at the house the back right. Um but some of them because just the age of the house we don't know where all of them go. Um there's a lot of improvements at the back of the property. there's series of different decks and different concrete
pads at all different elevations. Um some of it might be going underneath that. That's also a reason why um installing kind of centralized drywall where we were showing it would have been problematic how to get all the gutters from the other side of the house to there without ripping up all these
decks and patios in the back that are all, you know, on a steep slope to begin with. So they'd rather not have to hammer and excavate and rip all that up. >> Is there anything you can do to enforce reinforce where the water comes out of
the spouts or it's already tied in? So >> yeah. So um we're happy they said they're happy to install splash guards on any existing outlets and if any gutters you know discharge on grade near the house. Um, we're hoping that, you know, perhaps you could condition that
splash guards be installed, um, or arm or any outlets if they're visible on the slope. >> I don't know a better solution than that. Sounds good. Yeah. >> So, splash guards be installed where >> where the
pipes and daylight. >> Yeah, I would say any discharge points. Any other discussion, questions? >> Well, any um unseen outlets down toward
the water like coming out by a I know it's a pretty steep slope there. >> Nothing at the towards the bottom. No, that's about 220 to >> the rain quite a bit. I was wondering if anybody noticed anything. >> It's about 30 feet lower. I haven't been there recently. I was there maybe a
month or two ago. Oh, and it probably sinks right into the sand. >> Very sandy there, as you know. >> It's been existing and functioning for however many years. >> It's its own filter. >> Mhm. >> Looking for a motion. >> Looking for a motion.
>> What would this motion >> RDA? >> Oh, find a negative wood splash guards. >> I'll second that idea. >> Okay. Roll call vote. >> I cherry
the full. >> Great. Thank you. Very pleased with that. Appreciate it. >> Stick around for some more items and >> next item is new business discussion of five and nine South Road.
[clears throat] The owner here, would you like to join us? Y >> over here and Lauren over here. Okay. >> Recent storms have caused havoc in this area. So, she's putting up some photos.
Hope we've been on a site three times. Saw the photo, too. >> Um, five South Road. B, do you want the most recent images? >> Sure. >> These are from Or do you want me to bring up your PowerPoint?
>> Yeah, PowerPoint. Okay. I have some images from John as well. >> I brought older folders, too. >> Okay. >> You want them? >> How old? >> Like last week old. No, no,
>> I guess I'm from the snow. >> Go April 4th when it was just sand being okay delivered. Okay, then no. I'm sure if you want then. All right. Um I guess I'll share and you tell me when to flip.
>> Okay. >> Right. Because I'm controlling it. >> That's fine. >> Okay. So, Sabrina, when we spoke, you you said the issue was a driveway. You want to address that first? >> Um, we're going to address the sediment that's now in the wetland first because
that's our main like our biggest concern at the moment. Okay. >> And then we can talk about >> I mean, that's why you asked me to come here. So, >> I asked Well, yes. And now that there's an actual violation that had happened overnight because of the rainstorm, sediment is now in the wetland. So, we're going to talk about that. But I
also want you guys to talk about what the end game is going to be. Like you want to install the French drain. You want to do something in your yard back there. Um, that's essentially my I was feeling like I was kind of backed into trying to come up with a solution for
water because I had for months now been reaching out to the town saying water is flooding my house but every time it rains and it's gotten worse and worse and worse causing damage more and more and more >> as more material was getting dumped and
>> you obviously we live in the rains so I got to the point where I can only control what's on my property. So the French drain was my solution because I needed water to be pulled away from the side of my house because every time it rains it's flooding my crawl space. >> Mhm.
>> So and then so then it became silt matter is also coming into >> my crawl space. So I'm not locked in on the French train. It was just kind of like me looking at water needs to be away from my house creating a problem I needed away from my house and a French
train was a way for me with what I know to get it away from my house. >> Okay. >> So that's essentially why I came up with the French train. I'm not locked in on it. It was just what I thought I had control over. >> Okay, that makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Yep. It's good that everyone's here to to talk about it.
>> All right, let me just try to be techy right now. You want to give us a little history on this? >> There's been I [clears throat] know there's been three days of rain. >> Well, first of all, when this Sabrina noticed, it was before any any problems.
It was just she saw that there was some >> fills. >> There is some fill that was dumped um in the >> buffer area >> in the possibly in the buffer area, borderlining buffer area. So then that's when I initially sent the the letter
over to the Heburns. Um and I didn't have a letter. >> I sent a letter July 22nd. >> I only spoke to you on the phone. >> Okay. Well, um once I sent the letter >> July 22nd, you >> I sent a letter.
>> You saw that you put up a self fence. >> Then they put up a cell fence. >> They put up a fence. Um >> excuse me. I'm sorry. Sorry, don't want me to. The building inspector came out June 4th and ordered sil fence be put up that was not put up. I put up the first
round of sil fence and hay bales. He put out a hay waddle or a straw waddle on the ground that eroded over the waddle. So then I paid for the first round of s fencing and bales to protect my house the first time back in June. >> But the building inspector was there
before you were >> the building inspectors basically. So he wasn't there for the wetlands. There were no >> wetland issues at the time. Let me bring up >> keeping just >> let me bring up a map so we can have um a better view of
>> so I also I put up that waddle >> and I went down to the building department talked to or on the phone I can't remember which and uh told him what I did. You >> talked to Joe. >> Joe. Yeah. >> And he you know he said I'm glad you did it. I did it the very next day that he
>> put the straw waddles with steaks in. >> No, they were the round ones. >> Yeah, but those you're supposed to stake them in. They don't >> Well, the waddles stay in. But >> um they're not as good as the you know the taller ones. >> No, they're not. >> No, definitely. The problem I have with the waddle that was put in, it was the
small 8 in strong waddle. >> The amount of fill that's in the >> They're good for small things, but I mean that was >> even a sil fence, you need a double one. Yeah, but that that fill's been be put in there for since I lived there since 97. We've been putting fill there. Oh,
and then this summer has been this this this summer's been more because we sold >> a drastic amount of bills, please. >> We my >> my wife's family's on 46 Miller and the whole property all the way down to South
Road was one and then her brother built onto South Road. So, um, trying to think of >> where was the fill coming out of? >> So, right where my mouse is is right
where those piles of dirt were put. They were not covered exposed to the elements >> being for what reason? >> So, oh, that's my point. So, when this the property was split up, we used to
share the property. So, it was split up. So I was trying to make more a little more length width on the property. So I was putting it there letting it settle and then until this heavy heavy rain and the other rain then it just got ahead of me.
>> Um but I also I went on the GIS years ago and then recently went did the measure thing and made sure you know that I was outside the buffer zone. um just you know cuz that can be confusing cuz the GIS doesn't so
>> well and I physically physically >> I just want to give a little history about you know what how this got to the point I mean okay now we know that we can move forward with >> yeah um and the silt fence that they were talking about um was put up between
so there's two things happening right now one is in our jurisdiction another one is out of our jurisdiction essentially >> um there's sediment now in the wetland, but there's also sediment being like basically in her basement. Yeah.
>> Water and sediment. So, the silk fences that Joe wanted um Ed to put up are those are in between the property lines >> and nothing to do with the >> wetland. Okay. So, that would protect her but not >> but now now the sediment has gone down
the hill over the road and now into the wetland. Let me bring up the data. You seen it, Norm? >> We've been there twice. >> Any idea how what sediment got in there? >> You can see the color. >> Yeah, >> you'll see in just a minute [clears throat] quite a bit.
>> We've got images. >> So, I can >> So, I I agree with you, but most of that sediment that come down even though it was mixed with that color of the like clay color >> is sand. That whole hill, you know, the sand pit, >> that's all clay. I walked on that thing.
It's hard as >> regardless is still coming from your property >> right down the hill. >> Right. But I'm I'm saying down my driveway to the bottom where I put up the fence. >> All that that's the way it went. So all that I dug it I dug it for six hours
today. Um is sand and it's been doing that since we lived there before I lived there. when Randy her brother lived there that um driveway would get eroded and then we'd patch it and >> we're glad you're here cooperating so
now we can figure out what we need to do for the next step. >> Huh? >> Do you have it in your computer? >> I saved it in the wrong file somewhere. Sabrina um put together some kind of enforcement order, friendly enforcement order, so we can get somebody to look at that and see whether it should be removed or if it
would do more damage to remove it. >> Yeah, I sent you guys um a draft of it a few hours ago. >> Sometimes it's better to leave it, sometimes you can skim it out of there. But >> I think we really need to get somebody.
>> It's all over the roadway. It's motion up the roadway to her house, too. I mean, it's it's quite a mess. >> It didn't rain that much today. >> Pretty much all we care about is what's in the wetland. So, >> right. And that well, it's going to continue to slow down because it's very silly stuff that's that's in our driveway. So, but it's caused directly
by >> several hundred yards. >> Stop it from happening. and we want to clean up if we sold them to. >> I had I had a person who's in construction come over and so what he suggested was um on that driveway down
is inch and a half stone like 10 12 ft wide coming down with a burm at the bottom and a burm at the top cuz part of the problem up top is our driveway all slopes this ways. So bring the level up back to going back towards our property
line that way and then tear everything coming through with this gentle slop and um grass or you know some type of um >> so it's more fill within the >> So is that is that fill pile going to stay there? Is it just a kind of
permanent fill pile you just pick away at or going somewhere? So >> it's just there to there's a hill. There's always been a hill. Yep. >> And it was filling it in, letting it settle, and then pushing it over, >> leveling up. Yeah.
>> But there's no retaining wall. >> Yeah. There's no retaining wall holding it. I >> Well, I haven't got I haven't got to that point. >> It's been several months at this point that it's been sloped towards her property that it's been having this issue. It's not something that happened overnight. It's not an accident type of
thing. Um the town has said that um you know boulders should be placed on there. Um at one point the building department said well that's going to that bank will hold itself. That's some good material that's in there. You shouldn't have any worry about it washing out. And now here
we are. >> Yeah. That's why we really can't design it for him. >> Right. So I also do have I already had them delivered big boulders which I'm going to put see our property line is maybe >> do you have a set of plans of what you're doing >> four or five feet off the
>> her corner of her house so all that the bill from my house is 98% of it is in my property. Can you take a look at this and see if there's anything here in this that you absolutely can't oblige by or
>> let's let's look at the photos first. Okay. Let's make sure we understand what's going on here. >> Okay. This was these photos are from this morning. Okay. We had heavy rain last night. This is the third one. Yes. >> And I'm standing in south on South Road
looking up the hill. Okay. And that's the double wall sil fence with hay bales in between it. But further to the left of that same thing, you can see >> this is in between the two houses. This >> no this
right at South >> protecting the right at the bottom. >> So the left hand side of the double silt fence failed. >> Yep. >> And it's buried there. >> Okay. And this is looking at the road now >> with the failed fence on the right house.
>> Okay. You can see great discoloration of what's on the road. >> If you look at the soil though, it's sand. Most of it's sand. I mean, I'm not saying there's no clay in it, but there's >> Yeah. Well, a little bit makes
>> been repaired since this morning. >> Left hand side is the wetlands. Okay. Next, next photo was looking at the wetlands. Okay, you can see it's discolored all the way down and well into the wetlands.
Okay, in the next photo is down at number nine driveway looking back towards the failed silk fence. You can see how far it came. Okay. And you'll see on the left and the
right there's other silk fences that been put put in by nine South Road on both sides and there's one of them there and and that it held and the one on the right held. So the only one that failed was the one at five. Okay.
>> Well, I did look at that one and there was definitely sediment coming from that one as well. I I was down there. >> But the sediment came from your property. >> Oh, I know. I know. I understand. >> From your property. Don't Lauren. >> I'm not. But I'm what I'm saying is is you were having her do you
>> do it because she dug a trench just right to get water. Exactly. Let's not argue here. >> What's the status of the of the erosion control as we speak? Has that been repaired? Is that So, were you able to take pictures um later in the afternoon? Because I >> I didn't go back a second time.
>> I was just there >> over on the the part on the left there where it failed. >> Yeah. >> I I It's probably, you know, three feet high now going around the corner to the to the slope >> because that's the first part of the
enforcement order is to get make sure the erosion controls in place and functioning properly. >> So, there's several erosion controls on Hills Hill that go all the way down to her property. I think you put two or three and they're both hold to the brim. I mean, she's got maybe two or three inches before it's it's flowing
downstream again. Somebody want to get a couple more hay bales out there. >> They're full of silk on the hill. All of them are full of sil tank was covered this morning. He came out and uncovered the cap because the DPW had to come out because it was
completely covered. >> When I went over in June, the original straw bottle that he put on >> had already failed. It was already brine onto her property. I told her to go to Home Depot, get straw, you know, silk fence. Do it the right way, proper way. when you're dealing with something as um
you know extreme as as this >> remember where that where the silk fences are all that is my property although it did come down but it >> but you need to maintain your silk fence >> well no I understand that's the big thing >> shouldn't be having frost conversation
like this >> well I'm trying to show more >> we got a chance to look at the enforcement order norm >> I did look at it in those pill the enforcement order >> I mean I think that's what we should be concentrating on right now is getting this >> well not putting blame on everybody because we know there's a problem out
there and we're sorry >> for important to note well both parties have demonstrated efforts to solve the problem okay we appreciate >> yes >> uh and I can show you some of this is
from the 29th of July okay it's looking up the same hill and there was a silt fence up there it's now gone Okay. And now we're going to go >> see that one for a second. >> Huh? >> Just see that one for a second again.
Yeah. The back one. >> Trying to think of where it is. >> That's right above where the last one. >> It's pretty steep. Oh. Down. >> Well, there's one is that up at top right that >> sure >> garage looks like. >> That's
that's standing from where we've been. >> I'm in shrers up there actually. far south road standing up. >> Okay. >> Go up the hill. >> So, is there anything in that enforcement order that you think is outrageous or not doable or
>> we want to work with you on they want to work with everybody on this but complicated situation more than one jurisdictional area, more than one factor? So now we're standing on on nine's property looking up the side of the hill and you can see that five has
done some efforts and okay so this is what I was going wanted to show you was on that last piece see the the grinder pump cover >> that's six feet from that's into my property so our my property goes back
further this this way >> so when I did the waddle I tried to you you know, extended a little, you know, 3 or 4 feet in from the property line and then um my son-in-law and
um other people put up that A. Then we got another one behind it and then another one behind it. And then what we did was a tier going up so that we cut that steep part down some. So that still has to get So that needs to still get cleared out more now because of the
sediment that came from the tile >> that was put in on July 28th after July 10th. My crawl space had flooded, >> right? >> And I had reached out to the town and said, "Hey, we told them on June 4th to put up so fencing. I just flooded again. What's the enforcement for not putting
up the self fence?" >> But why would the town would they have what's their responsibility in this matter? >> Yeah, Joe. >> It's a storm water issue, it seems like. Yeah, Joe's jurisdiction was kind of >> Yeah, because it doesn't stop coming
from the town. I mean, it's >> it's not Yeah, exactly. I think he just >> they just he went as a courtesy. I mean, it's really >> oversees construction activities in the town building. I mean, but one thing though is I mean, regardless of the
fill, there's no this and there shouldn't be any new fill seven should be moving, but regardless, is the fill directly affecting water? Where is the water always gone before? Is the new fill causing all this water to run that way or >> Yeah, that's a good question.
>> Like, has the water always run that way? You could put up all the silence you want. If there wasn't fill there, it's at the top of a hill and the water runs off. like where was the water going before the fill was there? Like >> her her if her basement's flooding, like what I'm saying is the fill isn't
necessarily causing the the water to get into her basement, >> right? >> You know what I'm saying? Like unless unless the fill is concentrating the water to go in one spot, diverting it, >> diverting it. >> But that's why two different issues here. One is the >> like we're talking water, but like the water has nothing to do with
>> here. We want the water into the wetlands. We just don't want the fill. We want the water to stay clean. >> They don't want the water in their basement. So, you know, >> how can we at nine help solve our issue here? Is there something that we can help with mitigation
>> for our part? >> If you could call professional and ask them what they would recommend. I mean, we really can't advise because if it goes wrong, then we're going to be responsible. >> We're here for a reason. You know, I'm we're trying to come to that. >> I don't know. curtain drain doesn't
sound like a bad idea to me, but I don't know about it. I'm not uh that's where my expertise on them are. >> But right now, we're trying to I mean, I'm not sure where the water is coming from, you know, and why it's going in a different direction now. Is
it the new problem? Would you guys Right. >> This is This is a new problem. >> Well, 9 South is the the basement's always been wet. >> Yeah. But that it has not been this way, which I started logging when it became a problem. When it became a problem, once it wasn't one or two loads being dumped,
you're well past like 40 little modes of material. Like that's a huge difference of material being dumped and not having a plan or nothing to hold it. And that's that's where I understand I don't want to mess up what you guys have going on,
but I also have to protect my house. Absolutely. There's been no timeline. There's no plan. So, and this was the several storms in before I finally dug the trench to redirect things. And it's because water was up above my calf, and
that's not what I've had every other storm. >> We're going to try to stop the silk, but we're not going to be able to stop the water, >> which I totally I totally understand. >> So, that's your >> that's another battle, right? That's a whole separate >> and one of well the main reason why I
wanted everyone to come here today is to talk about what work is going to be in the future clearly it's going to be in buffer um so the work that is going to be done would need to be reviewed by the commission >> that's why we need the enforcement >> this is to give you the right to be able
to do that to actually do the work >> this is just to help with the settlement but he he's supposed to have future plans for that property there's a reason why he's been putting that fill in And then they have well are going to probably move forward with the French drain or
>> whatot it's not our jur it's out of jurisdiction. It was until it came into our jurisdiction. >> Working the buffer work in the buffer that >> they're going to be working in the buffer. >> Seems like going to be working in the buffer. >> Right. And that that's why like starting the conversation of what needs to be
done. >> If you don't think you're in the buffer then you need to get that delineated to show because you can't go by what's on the >> Okay. I mean, so when I was when I was doing that, trying to widen the yard a little bit, um, I
physically measured it, I did this, so I wanted to be I was I felt I was 140 ft away from it. >> So from where I was putting it on top, then it comes down, so it gets closer, of course. >> So get somebody like LC or somebody out there just to say this is where the
wetlands end. It might be further away, it might be closer, but you know, they have a scientific way of doing it. >> Okay? >> And at the same time, you can have a take a look at that area that's got the silt in there to see if it's worth trying to remediate it or if it's just better off to leave it there. So, you
might do more damage, try to take it out of there, we need to have somebody. So, one of one of the things I thought I'd do is I mentioned the Serena. It's there's tires. There's all kinds of debris in there. So part of this I could do goodwill and pull some of that stuff
out, >> arrange something because that that swamp's been used as a dump land for >> um you know it doesn't solve the problem but you know helps clean it up. >> But you got to be careful with that though because I we had a place they had
tires. We wanted them to remove the tires and the D said no don't touch those. That's whole >> now they're part of it. >> Yeah. But we'll we'll concentrate on one thing at a time, right? And try to get to because could be more rains coming our way. This weather's getting one more
severe. So, make sure we stabilize it. We'd like to see no bare earth, you know, either >> right >> straw or something to cover it to stop >> Well, in the enforcement order, I just wrote tarpet >> tarpet. I mean, that's not going to stop
the water from coming down, but that's going to stop the sediment from coming down >> like for a temporary fix. So, our next war >> right now, >> right now it's smooth up top and you know going down on an angle. So, just
put tarps >> over that. >> Cover all the bear all the >> Does that make the water slide down? >> It'll make the water slide. >> We don't want the sediment. So, one of my thought was yesterday we
got one tier going across coming up at the bottom of it. So, what I wanted to do was pull some up up to get the level facing more towards my house and then lower in that slope and then I can tarp that. And then now I'll have
one layer, another another tier, then uh there's a big tree going across with um plastic. Then there's um hay bales and another hay bale, then the waddle, then hurricane bail. But >> while you're doing it, is there any way
you can redirect that water so it goes away from your neighbor's house? >> Well, it is. >> Yeah. It it didn't get past your your fence today. I was down there. >> I had to dig out the trench that I dug because it was completely full.
>> It didn't get past her fence. It got past all the other fences, though. >> I had dug behind the silk fence. I had dug in front of the water cap, which I took pictures every time I've gone out. I have cameras on the side of the house as well. I dug again in front of the cap
so I had something to catch the silt again and then come up and over, hit the silt fence, hit the head, come to the trench on the other side of my silt fence. Both of those were full. So, the sediment is coming down at a very fast rate whenever we get rain. And if I don't go out and clean out those two,
the water was completely covered when I got home today. The trench in the backside was non-existent. And then the trench in the front that I had dug was full. So, both of those I had to redig out again tonight because we're going to get rain in two more days. My raised garden bed is completely full
of of silk because I had to that that is my property there. >> Yes. >> Especially even that just remember that all that where that fill is is still my property. >> And there's also reasonable use doctrine. >> There's what? >> The reasonable use doctrine.
>> What's that mean? >> It's a law. Well, that's a whole another conversation, whole another place. Yeah. What I'm hearing here is >> you need an engineer to figure out what to do with the silt in the wetland, right? And then you probably need an engineer to figure out how to keep her
happy. That's two separate issues. Our issue is the dirt in the wetland. And the issue between you two is a whole another engineering. How to keep the water out of her house. That kind of sums it up. >> Exactly. You got to write on best to keep it friendly because you don't want to waste money on lawyers and stuff like
that. You want to put the money towards getting this situation. >> Well, so today today when we had that second >> rainstorm from 11 to 2 or something. So I was out there. I kept I I found out where there's little cracks and leaks. Dug and dug and dug, put rocks, stone,
and so nothing especially in this second rain when I was out there. I I blocked everything off um as high as I could and as many rocks as I could move possible. >> It's tough. >> So it all I can what I did was I contained it so it was pulled behind
>> any areas I built and I kind of monitored it making sure it did no more went down there. And you know, if we go into a drought, then we're going to forget all about this, but we don't want to forget about it because it's going to happen again. And we don't want we want
to make sure we're prepared before that >> before that happens. >> Okay. >> Is there anything in there that you think is uh not doable to >> you get a copy? Time to uh write up something that would work for everybody
>> if there place. Do I get a copy of what that is? >> Absolutely. That place is only going to get the silt out of the wetland, not out of your house. Not >> that's a whole another engineering >> in the town for years. They get called
because this happens where neighbors build up their yards higher and the water goes. As a matter of fact, that happened with the building inspector when Mino was a building inspector. His neighbors water was running into his yard and they they had a few go over it for years.
You know, it's just there should be I wish there was something in some kind of building hole or bylaws that you can't build up your yard higher than an neighbor's yard. >> Unfortunately, nothing I >> look at it real quick.
>> Never seen addresses that. >> So, while he's looking at that, have you seen the enforcement order, Andy? >> I have not. >> Okay. You have the copy that he can look at. I would say if you tarp it Eddie, you
know, put a tarp over it just soap doesn't say, >> you're never get any vegetation. I would think some type buling it >> saw that >> stone, anything like that.
>> If you if you tarp it, yeah, the fill might, but the the water is just going to run off the tarp quicker. You want legit, but you're never going to get grass or anything to grow. >> Is there like a mesh that you can get or tarp is until he gets a plant in place?
>> I think they just >> What about some A lot of people suggested wood chips, you know, just >> they'll just wash away. >> Yeah, they'll wash over top that erosion control mesh that on sloped and it's stapled to the ground and it's
>> Yeah, that's like permanent. We're talking like >> something's going to happen though. >> But I've seen wood chips work pretty well. >> Something that will cover it and filter it >> is the whether it's stone wood chips. Like you said, it's not our job to say what to do. But
>> personally, I think that tarping it is not going to that's just going to make the water run faster. >> Very temporary. The tarp would be very temporary. Well, what I'd like to do first is what I mentioned is another tier and then pull back the pull that back >> make the level make the instead of being
like this more like this and then up top cuz biggest problem is my property slopes just it's always been that way slopes down towards that that hill towards South Road. So, if I can bring that up, pull the soil back and lower
the pitch and then cover it with tarps or um wood chips or the um that straight that straw >> to do that immediately or would you wait before he would >> I'll have to do something if it's going to rain again soon. I have to make sure
I get something done before >> immediately. Well, there were a couple dates in the in the enforcement order for the tarpet by wasn't there a date for the tarpet >> like I think that was 48 hours. >> Okay. And there was a date for for
having a a plan in place, right? >> I think that >> within 14 days retain a professional. >> What time? >> Within 14 days professional within scientist, >> right? And then one month get um delineation. That's not a delination. What does that what is that? A
delination part. What does that mean? >> It means someone a wetland scientist will go out to actually delineate the wetland that starts off. >> Oh, I got you. >> It means to put the line on. How about if we just don't put tarp, we just put some way to >> I mean I mean I could put the tarp on
get a tarp and put it there for now. And then >> is there 40 boats there or what? >> I like I haven't seen physically how much dirt is there. is you're talking loads or I'd say >> how how big is the pile? >> Several hundred yards of material. >> How many? >> Several hundred yards of material.
>> 30 times what is it? What's a triac? >> 30 load probably 15 to 17. >> Yeah. >> Triacle is 20 I think. 1920 fully loaded. >> Yeah. Substantial. >> But you think that you're gonna get
enough tarps to cover 500 yards of fill? I mean that's what like I said I haven't put my eyes on it but I've never we and all the we've had lots of erosion issues on jobs and we've never the solution has been to put plastic over it but we're
also talking acres of ground but >> okay I we have a kind of a unique situation here we really can't wait two weeks for us to do a site visit group yeah >> and then take corrective action in two weeks >> we need to we need to move forward so
tomorrow >> just a temporary to get the tarps on there just to >> until we can get a till they can pull it back. >> It's also a cheap solution putting tarps up there. >> Well, it's [clears throat] temporary >> temporary job. Yes. It's not a huge expense to ask somebody.
>> Well, I've already initiated. I got some big boulders. So, I wanted to do down Would you Can you um bring up a picture down by um down by
Lauren's house, like one where the um sewer grinder pump was? >> Okay. So, that's uh this one. Mhm. >> You got to share the presentation first before you can
>> I got to pick the right one here. >> Okay. >> So, if if you remember where the grinder pump is, which is probably 8 ft from the property line. So, I want I'm going to go behind it because you can't go across it because it's pipes and there's water pipes and everything.
So, if I go behind it, the big boulders, that's one level. I'm gonna go all the way from the property point, which is um maybe 15 feet to the east to the west. I mean from our corner of our house and come
around. >> Slope it like this over to where it gets higher top >> and then another another one just below where we did the first tier and then another one where the second tier is. And then everything's going to slope. My intention is to come like this, like
this, like that with tears and grass or wild flowers or >> You can sketch out on a plan for us to >> Yeah, I'll do all that. But I mean, in my head, it just just everything just >> to visualize that. >> Yeah, it's it's easier now when we get that one tier. The second tier is going
to make another big difference. >> It's all subs soil up there. So my concern would be if vegetation would be able to grow on that over time because right now I mean it's >> a clay clay like soil. >> It's not anything that you grow anything on. >> It's we need to have somebody
>> right I'll figure I'll figure out what's it I believe it stands but we'll I'll get a professional figure that out. >> So the question comes back can you live with that enforcement order? >> Yes. >> Okay. Good job, Sabrina. [laughter]
>> My favorite part of the job development. >> Um, can I just have that back? >> Oh, and I gave you a list. You don't have to hire anybody, but this is just a list of local um environmental consultants,
>> including Arlo, which is what we >> hire someone, but just some, >> right? I'm not telling you have to hire someone from that list. Um, >> the local ones. >> Yeah, the local ones. So, I have um an like
two enforcement orders there. The same thing. Um, one we're going to keep for our copy and one is going to be for you. Um, so the mission needs to sign as well as you need to sign. >> Okay. Let's do a a vote first. Okay.
Okay. Can you give me a motion for approve? I make a motion to approve the enforcement order, ratify it. >> Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Okay. Will Paul vote >> Andy? I norm. >> Jerry, I miss vote. So now we can sign the enforcement.
>> Thank you all for coming in and appreciate. I know it's a lot of people act in nature, you know, but that's our job is, you know, try to stay on top of stuff. Hopefully we can get everybody back not getting nature's not getting any less cruel
conservation. It's very important to us. >> Um, could I have a paper copy of that order or can I take a picture of it? It'll be nice and we have two copies with you. >> Um, if you want I can scan it to I'm keeping a copy for us so you keep on scan it and send it to you.
supposed to dry tomorrow but >> dry tomorrow. Best day of the week. >> Y >> humid supposed to get more humid but not >> torrential rains, right? >> That's correct.
>> Are we still in a drought? >> Yes. Yep. They were saying hopefully come next Thursday they're going to announce that we're back. >> Floods in a drought. >> Yeah. >> At level three, so I don't see us like >> the next to the almost. Okay.
>> Level one. >> Level one or two. Yeah. They're seeing the news tonight that this this the drought monitor gets caught up on Thursdays. >> So these last two rain events will be in the >> Okay. >> We had to close College Highway today because a tree fell on a car. >> Yeah. between Nicholson and Hill and
>> what time? >> Yeah. >> 10:30. 10:30. >> You were right. >> We were >> I just I had a feeling I I heard the sirens and I just had a feeling that tree fell. >> Wonder if res reservoirs come up. Yeah. >> Yeah. I a little
>> What was that? >> Otus reservoir. Wonder if that come up yet. >> Uh I think they're maybe like one inch off before they hit like the actual good level. Um, my friends just updated me on that today.
And this is for our fire. >> And then your signature right here. Then your signature again. Same exact thing. Not one fits on you right here. And then you get to keep that. That is you.
Perfect. >> Was there anything need for me on my side or would I heself fine on your side? >> Um, your hails and fences are good right now. Um, if you decide to do that French drain or
any work within buffer, >> yeah, >> that's a RDA packet request for determination of applicability. Um, the work would still need to be reviewed by the commission, but for now I think >> I for now I'm gonna wait to see what happens because I don't want >> you don't want to put it in until you
have a solution to settlement. Yeah, I totally get that. >> But that's the packet and you have time to read it over and it's a pretty easy application, but >> Okay, perfect. Awesome. Okay, thank you.
>> Appreciate you all coming in and Sorry I had to go through this. >> Thank you >> both of you. >> Get it done. >> Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Folks, >> so Ryan, what are you here for? You want
up? We'll take you next. >> I don't know what he's here for. Oh, certificate of compliance, right? >> Sorry to business. >> We can look at minutes while he's busy over there. We have enough people
finally for the minutes, I think. So, >> um, we still don't for May 18th. >> No. >> Oh, wait. Yeah, because the Met's not here. >> Just keeps on lingering. >> So, we need the Met for that >> for May 18th. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But not for the 20th, right?
>> 20th. I think we should be Well, I don't know. You tell me. I think everyone for >> Yeah, >> I wasn't here. Oh, well, I was on vacation the last week. >> Right. to get the neighbors. >> Yeah.
>> Come on up, Brian. >> I just need to know which which item you >> he is here for request for part. No, request. Oh, that's supposed to be request for certificate of compliance, not partial. That's a
>> number three. >> Number four for sixway drive. >> Okay. So, we have a request for certificate of compliance LOI 292-0330. >> Okay. So, this was a project that was permitted back in 2016. To give a brief
recap, um there's an existing house at 6oy. They wanted to do a proposed addition. Um I think it was a garage. Um that was partially within the flood zone to Lake Congam. Obviously, they also wanted to do some waterfront
improvements, replacing retaining wall, uh some planting, some regrading, uh a deck. The comp storage for the proposed garage was um from regrading the backyard. to be a cut to existing grade to get those volumes. Um the volumes are
pretty minimal. Um the proposed impact was 60 cubic feet and the comp storage was 132 cubic feet for a net increase of 72 cubic feet. So about doubling what we needed. Um Mr. Le put together a
certificate of compliance statement on the project due after doing an inspection. Um, so we believe everything was, you know, constructed per the original perate plan. Happy to answer any questions. Don't know if you guys have done this. I believe >> bond associated with this.
>> It's a good question. I do have the original order here. >> There was a bond and it was released already. >> Okay. >> Without the compliance. >> You guys vote about it. Miss, you guys said and I read the meeting minutes that the work
um that was required or the work that was required to have a bond had been completed. >> Really? >> Yes. >> I didn't we could do that. >> You did it. >> A $10,000 bond. >> It was a $10,000 bond and it was released. Um yeah, and the homeowner was
kind of uh dumbfounded. Like I don't understand why I didn't just get a >> When was I released? >> Uh I want to say 2021 >> before me that one. >> I could be wrong about the 2021 left.
Yeah. >> Definitely was you guys before me too. >> Everything worked out fine though. So all over them blue, right? >> Yeah. So, um I I did do a site visit on the property. I met with the the
homeowner. He's very friendly. Um I did ask the question about compensatory storage and it seems like I've got the answer from you guys and from Nina. Um it was built in general compliance. The only thing is I didn't see the planting.
>> Okay. I have not been on site so I can't speak to that but >> there were um bushes like >> take a look. Yeah, >> bushes >> showed down in here. >> Yep. That was the only planting that I saw.
>> Sweet pepper bush, ink berry, bay berry. >> Yep. These are just evergreen bushes that I saw. >> About nine of them, I think. >> Mhm. But everything else looked fine when I did my sight visit.
>> So the bushes are there or aren't there? >> There are bushes but they're not the native plantings. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> Right. >> Are they reasonable acceptable replacements to that? Do you >> For me, of course not. I'm not native.
>> But I mean it is what it is. The the area is stable. Um, the bond has already been released. >> Yeah. >> And the guy's trying to sell his house now. So, >> okay. I'll take a motion.
>> We're making a motion to issue a certificate of compliance. >> I'll second that. >> That's correct. >> Any further discussion? Roll call vote. >> Andy, I have an eye. >> Unanimous vote for number four. >> Okay. Thank you everyone. Have a good
night. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Okay, so let's go back to item number two under new business. Request for extension enforcement order 2011 Granville Road. >> This is a little packet that had on top
of your folders. Um and I'm sure you guys are familiar with 2011 Granville. had issued um an investment order a couple months ago to the homeowners. Um they had just gotten their wetland report from Heather
Pony and um so she was waiting on the report before um coming up with a restoration plan for the um stream bank
area. Um, she did give an update in her email on the other areas of her property. For example, the the that burm is 95% grass. Most of the original plant life has
returned to the covert area, which actually is a good thing. And they do have still a pile of dirt um that has not moved yet, but the silk fences are preventing from anything entering um into the stream.
So, she's asking to She's asking for an extension. She didn't really say how long of an extension, but >> that's my question. >> Yeah. Um, we could
uh give her to the end of August and if she needs more time, we can go from there. >> Do you want to see her back at the first meeting in September? >> The first. Okay. So the first meeting in September is the our only meeting which is September 17th.
>> You give her at the end of August that means you're going to see us September 17th. >> Yeah, that's correct. >> So is that right? >> If you're giving it to the end of August, that's that far out. Yes. >> So I mean our option is to give her two weeks or give us six weeks, right? Because two weeks seems short.
>> Yeah. But go in two weeks and then six weeks following. Yeah, that that's fair. I mean kind of tight. So what date? >> September 17th. >> September. Okay. >> That just confuses.
>> I consulted with a friend. >> September 17th. Out of calendar. >> Okay. Anybody disagree with that plan? Going to September 17th? I'll make a motion.
>> I'll make a motion to allow a continuence for September 17th. You have a second. >> I'll second breath. >> Kevin made the second roll call vote and I normous vote.
Okay. Number three. Request for partial certificate of compliance anal 2920139 Brook Estates phase 2 on Bing Hill Road now to Pearl Book Road.
>> Yes. Um, this is not um going to be voted on tonight because I have yet to do a site visit, but there is a little bit of a backstory for this um particular parcel. There was a partial certificate of compliance that was issued for this back in 2021. However,
it was issued at the wrong um NOI number and it was never reported at the registry of deeds. I have yet to see the site, so I can't technically issue a certificate of compliance. I need to have a site visit. And the lawyer who I'm talking to right now, um, she's
trying to get a hold of the current owner so I can go on their property. >> Okay. >> And she's on vacation right now, so [laughter] >> not responding to my email. >> That house is like completed, lived in, and like it's >> Yeah. >> long time ago.
>> They already got issues just with the stakes. >> Is that the one that's for sale? >> Uh, I I think they already sold honestly. >> I drove by it the other day. So we'll keep that on for next time. >> So it's not holding up the sale of the property then. >> It's not.
>> Okay. Let's go to number five. Update on Noble Steed open space conservation restriction. >> Okay. So you guys did approve the conservation restriction for Noble Steed. Um was it last year? However, there have
been some minor edits to the document and it is currently back at the state for review. So, we will again be reviewing the conservation restriction and the planning board will be asking us you guys to sign it um once more. However, I
just want to bring to your attention that there is a driveway and a pile of tree trunk stumps on the open space property right now. So, that might be something to consider before signing the conservation restriction. Not sure if
that's something that should be addressed before we do it. Um >> that in the conservation restrictions already you can't put stumps and >> well >> I mean it and that's that's also a good point. Um maybe it's fine. I don't know.
Yeah, >> but this these are this is a pile of stumps that's like visible from the road. Um and also there's a driveway. We who put the stuff there, the builder that's building the house or the development?
>> The developer. >> So, we should send in a letter saying, "Don't don't put stumps on open space property." >> I mean, >> what's wrong with them? Did they ever do the cover bridge or No, >> not yet. >> Not yet. That's what I was looking at
the other day. It's still open. >> Not yet. They're waiting on that 401 water quality certificate >> that still hasn't been. >> No, it's I don't think it's even close. They haven't decided on the length or size of the covert. No, >> they're going to get a box car or
something and put >> long long coververt that they can't maintain and they >> Yeah. When we went for the site visit, it wasn't even close. >> Nope. So, MT still has to drive around. >> Yes, he probably forever way. It's called
>> um Anyways, that's just an update on the conservation restriction. Maybe maybe we can leave the pile of stumps there. I don't know if that's if it but if it's against if it is against the conservation restriction, maybe we should. >> It's got to be. >> No, >> you can't cut trees. You can't put
stumps. You can't >> the open space area, right? >> This is Yes. This is for the open space, right? >> Which we would own the conservation. Next thing, you know, be burying those stumps in there. Say something. room. >> Okay. Anybody else have anything on that
one? >> Okay. Let's go to number six. Discussion of master plan action item open space 1.1. Create and distribute a pamphlet to all lake fund property owners explaining the provisions of the wetlands protection act and south local bylaw as
it pertain to importance of maintaining or increasing vegetation buffers. You have a package in there and I asked Sabrina if she'd be willing to take the lead on getting this one done
and she has agreed. We are due to have it done by 6:3027. need to allow time for the supporting parties, which is the town clerk, the planning board, CRC, and lake management to respond to whatever action we'd like
to take. And then you also have our other action items, which we put in for one per year along with our priorities. Was this on behalf of master plan or concom included in master plan? I don't know.
>> Yeah, this was concom's responsibility >> in the master plan. >> In the master plan. Okay. >> Okay. >> But it still involves the other departments, LMC. >> Oh, yes. >> Everybody else. >> Yes. So there approval input. >> Correct. So, I would I would create the
pamphlet and send it off to the town clerk, planning board, CRC, lake management for their um commentary. Okay. >> And if we felt we needed to if they had a lot of knowledge on the subject, we
could invite them to be participate in the pamphlet. But in this case, I think the knowledge is within us. So, we don't need to. We just need to get their approval for the pamphlet. As far as I'm sure, it could be a pamphlet. It could be a letter. I'm I'm up in the air on
that. Pamphlet's coming. >> Westfield did that, right? Did Westfield do that last year? >> Pamphlet? >> Yeah. >> And I had one last year. >> A busy fee. >> I mean, it'd be nice to have pamphlet and then like for example, CRC could have some copies at their meetings.
>> Yeah. >> To hand out. >> That's a great idea. >> Can also >> I like pamphlets. They hang around longer than letters do. >> Yeah. Okay. bridge. >> So now we had signed up for one per year. We can obviously do them ahead of time if there's anybody that's got an
interest in any of these wants to take the lead. >> Norm on the priority number one um when it says it's completed. >> Yes. >> Establish a permanent open space committee. >> Correct. >> How do we make sure that there's a permanent open space committee? You know, they just don't decide to resolve
it on a in a whim. which they can, >> which they can. >> Sabrina, weren't you going to look into that? We can make that a permanent committee and put it on the books. I don't have to bring it to town meeting or >> It would need to be in town meeting like
in need to be >> It's not really completed. It's partially completed. >> It's been accepted as completed. >> Yeah, it it has, but it's not though. I mean, if it's if it was a permanent committee, it'd be complete, but it's not permanent. It's
>> adh hot. >> Well, they're not. >> It's not ad hoc. >> Okay. So, when is that? >> So, >> it's it's a whim of whatever the select board decides. It's just until it goes to town meeting and get voted on by the people that make it a permanent
committee. It's not permanent >> and we've petitioned for it. from the other side >> with your two cents and >> I just want to point out it says completed but they should still do some >> is it official >> make it official >> yeah right I got you
>> okay >> that's what happened before right >> so I don't want it to happen again >> all righty let's uh anything else on the master plan okay let's go to old business discussion of 25 island way possible violation or
anything new on Um, I don't think so. >> I have I have nothing new. Division of Fisheries and Wildlife response proposed erosion control
restoration project. Do we get anything back from open space? >> No, he hasn't gone out there yet. >> Okay. Rising corner, floating bridge. Any updates on that? >> No. >> No. I'm still waiting for contact. Okay. >> Someone at this table.
>> Okay. I have nothing new on >> 159 Bureau AB. I have nothing new on that. Did you you have anything new on >> 159 Birkshire? >> No. Sorry. I was getting that confused. >> We got two 159. >> I know that confused me this this morning. >> Okay. The table item is going to stay on
the table. discussion of the retaining wall on 485 Lake View Drive. Uh, I have nothing on that specific event, but I'm leaning towards in the project that Sabrin is going to
work on on the master plan that for Connecticut residents, if they're working on the shoreline, they need to do an RDA or or a NOI. That's where I'm my head is is >> settling in.
>> Would that pamphlet that we're making include connect like a Connecticut version of the pamphlet like yeah all these rules of salv but good idea. >> This is I got rejected from
the Sfield mainly because we were in the middle of LPP negotiations. things weren't going well with the negotiations and the first selective said, "No, we're not going to participate." >> Okay? >> Doesn't mean we can't revisit it. We now
have several instances where there's been progress on the relationship being built and u and I'll got more coming on that subject. >> Yep. >> Okay. And that's report from the
Southfield Conservation Commission meeting. Sunrise Pond in Southfield headed what they believe in algae bloom. >> Sunrise Pond. >> Sunrise Park. Is that >> Sunrise Park? Yeah. >> Oh. Oh, >> okay.
>> On the mountain, as you know. >> Okay. And they were debating, debating, debating over what to do, what to do. And of course, because it wasn't on the lake, I couldn't talk. So, I had to wait for public comments to come up. In public comments, a guy says, "You know, we have a lot of experience with algae
blooms and we have a preferred [clears throat] method of of handling algae blooms and I'll send it to you guys." >> Yeah. A lot of experience. >> So, so there's relationships been been building. >> Good.
>> Yeah. You know, they they told me two meetings ago that they thought I was going to be nothing but a pain in the butt, >> but that's a good thing. But they're >> warming up to you. >> They're warming up to me a little bit. >> And that's the report from the Sfield
now for from our conservation coordinator report. >> Yes. Um, we mainly covered everything except for um seven South Longard Road
and 19 South Longard Road. I'm sure you're familiar with this area. This is where we have our new storm water um infrastructure being put in because of the massive erosion issues that we're having down there. Okay, let me I'm just going to read this
one here. So, um, the town storm water pipe has now been installed underground. Yay. >> Initial observations indicate the new system is functioning well. Awesome. Okay, so with the town storm water now controlled, it is possible to better
evaluate runoff originating from the neighboring property. The neighboring property being 19 South Longard Road. I don't know if you guys remember in 2022, I had been working for maybe a month and a half. We had the homeowners come in
and submit a plan to divert um storm water that was causing erosion in this area. Um so that did happen in 2022. They submitted a plan. There was no enforcement order that was issued at the time and there was also no documented
followup confirming that the work was completed. I've taken photographs from 2022, 2025, and 2026 of the same area, and they show runoff consistently originating from the same location on the property. So, based on these observations, I question whether or not
that these um improvements were actually completed. And also after discussing this matter with DPW, um they expressed concerns that if this runoff is not addressed, it can compromise the recently constructed town uh storm water infrastructure. I do have a letter
prepared um requesting that the property owners provide written confirmation as to whether their proposed storm water improvements were completed and if not just explain why for now. Um DPW is kind of trying to um figure out how to
address this additional storm water coming from this area so it does not um affect what they the work that they have done. But if we can get I feel like if we can get the homeowners to address this that would be the best course.
>> They have pipes coming out of them >> at one well at least at the point where we told them >> to do some work that was >> pipes are gone. I don't know. >> I don't know if the pipes are gone. I haven't seen but there were pipes. >> Yeah. >> Facing um the hill which is where the
storm water easement is and it was causing a river. >> Pipes shouldn't be there. So, >> right. I don't >> us and DPW to >> Right. Right. Um, >> make sure they aren't there. >> Walked that twice in the last three days. And what you're talking about is
3/4 of the way down. Yeah. >> On the right. Looking up to the right. >> If you also look, there's a lot of water coming from the top that doesn't control. And it's blown out like all the erosion controls are blown out today. >> Oh, are you talking about over just like
the construction site? >> Yes. Yes, they have like they have tears. >> They're all blown out. >> Like when I walked it tonight, they're all blown out. >> But there's a lot of water that blew out the top tier and that's coming from very far above that 3/4 of the way down on
the right. It's water coming down the driveway and comes in. >> Mhm. >> And it's it there's a drain, not a drain. There's a tank right there at the top with a sealed top. And if that could be made into a drain to catch that water at the top, the water that's entering at
the bottom wouldn't be joining into as much water that's already, you know, there's already like a couple hundred gallons coming down and there's some gallons coming over and it's making a lot at the bottom. If we can also control what's coming in at the top. >> Whose property is that? Is it
>> It's coming down property. >> No, it's coming down the driveway that goes up to South Longard. It's like coming down the driveway and cuts in. It's also coming off the millings right now really hard. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um they still have to I mean it's not done done. The pipe is
underground and what's coming what's coming out of the pipe and into the rip wrap before it hits the brook is clean, right? >> Um >> so they know that they still have to button it up with some hydro hydro seed or whatever. >> Put a burn on his driveway to corral the
water into the drain. So like the the whole driveway that whole side is an issue before we get that far enough down, >> right? >> Is the private driveway? >> Yes. And there's a drain in the private driveway and they've had to put a waddle there to get the water of these last
couple storms into the drain. >> Right. And without the waddle that's going to continue down and jump in that >> further to 3/4 of the way down. >> So there's to me there's like two areas with ton of water coming. If we could get the upper tongue controlled so that
that lower amount wouldn't be as significant. >> It's still significant, but it wouldn't be it's not adding to >> it's surface it's surface um storm water cutting into the work that we've just done and that's what we're concerned
about. And you know, they they did have a plan four years ago. Um, if they didn't do it, then maybe now's the time to do it. >> Right. Right. >> So, >> we should also look at that upper section
>> that blew out those upper arms. >> Yeah. >> Before it got that far down. >> Sure. Christ was on it. >> Yeah. They were there this morning like at 7, but they didn't do any or if they did, it flew out again. So,
I visit here like five o'clock. >> Oh, yeah. You're right. You live right down there. So, >> are you going to be here for the next meeting? >> No. >> Sorry. >> I won't either. >> Um,
we do have one RDA that's scheduled to be on the next meeting. So, you're not going to be here. >> Andy, do you know if you'll be here? >> Plans. >> He plans. Kevin, >> I don't even What's the weather gonna be like? That's >> I don't know.
>> I mean, I plan on it, you know, but um >> Yeah, >> I think Mette said he'll be here. >> Where's Chris these days? Vermont. >> Yeah, he's still doing the Vermont ones. >> Don't worry, we'll have a quorum. >> Yeah, well, we need to have the meeting
because we don't have one early in September and J. >> Exactly. Unless we do >> Yeah. a special one. But um >> Did you have anything else on your list? >> No.
>> Do you want to talk about 159? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can. I don't know much about it. >> Okay. Well, first of all, I'll give you an update on 57 Hills Road.
11 of the holes for the handicap ramp have been drilled, ordered out, but it's been raining, so they the holes are pretty much full of water. So, they haven't poured any concrete yet, and I haven't seen any sonic tubes on site yet
either, but I've been down there every day just to check on it, so to make sure it's to spec. Uh but then right next door on the other side of the uh Great Brook at 159 Fleeting Hills
Road, there's 200 ft of a private property in the front and then behind that is is um town property and there's been a bunch of dumping over the years. It's >> water department property. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
And I took several pictures and all done by by big heavy equipment. Blue construction equipment. So it's not somebody in a pickup truck. There's trees back there that were dead. Gee, who's got big heavy equipment near there? I wonder
the person's property where they're going through to get there. We had issues with Mchio for 20 years now. >> Okay. >> He's been filling in if we've been back there. It's like a junkyard right up to the river. with asphalt. We had the D involved. The
board of health was involved. >> Yeah. >> And I think he um must have known somebody at the D because they kind of dropped the whole issue. Um but it he's doing stuff. He passed away, Mr. Mock.
>> I I thought Jack Mail passed away. Yeah. >> When did that happen? Like I think over the winter or something. I think within a year. I didn't know the name. >> Vinnie, right? They call him Vinnie Jack. >> I don't know him as Jack Makio, but
doesn't he have the shop going down like Industrial Drive on the left there or whatever? >> Yeah, he's got the the whole shop and everything is >> I mean, it was there probably there before the wetlands protection act, but he's he's still adding stuff to it. I don't know who's running it now, but >> you're talking on the crepes tea house
side of the road. >> No, the opposite side. Same side of the road, but other side of the brook. >> Yeah, he's on the crepes tea house side of the road, not on Makio's house. >> But I think Makio still owns that propert. >> He owns that property. Yeah, >> there's two parcels. I think he owns
both of them or somebody, >> but it's definitely on town property and it's definitely within the 200. Oh, >> okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Definitely within 200 feet of the brook. It's like where the road used to go. Yeah.
>> Right. Yeah. And it looked like there was stumps and stuff dumped. >> So you're talking about past you're going crepe seed house and you're right just past on the that like open lot there. >> Didn't they use that as like a lay down area when crusty just did all that work?
>> How recent does it fill look like it was down there? >> Was a little turnoff area >> old or like within the last couple years? >> Both. >> Cuz when they did all that work a few years ago, they were using that as a lay down area. I thought I saw new stuff being dumped
there this year, like dumps and such. >> It's newer. Some of it's newer and some of it's got a lot of vegetation. So, it's been there. >> Check with the water department to see what they >> Well, this just recently happened. So, we haven't Sabrina is >> Well, I sent it off to D because I figured one of them's got to be on the
water commission. Um, and John had said that historically that, you know, it's been a dumping ground. >> Um, >> legal or illegal? >> No, not not legal. people dumping stuff um on the town property. So, he's aware of it. >> Clean fill.
>> As long as it's 200 feet away from the brook, right? >> It's not as long as it's 50 ft. >> So, um we just ask the town to cuz it's town property. They they're responsible for
the property, >> right? >> Ask them to clean it up. >> Yeah, we can send out the pictures. I didn't do that. I just sent it to you and Dennis. >> I can't remember if you sent it. >> Um I do have one more thing.
>> Okay. >> Are we done with we got minutes? >> Okay. Um I forgot to mention 13 Sam West Road. Um there has been a possible wetland violation identified. Um, Mass DP previously issued an enforcement
order for the property back in 2001 2002ish, so it's been about 25 years. Um, I contacted Mass DP regarding the situation and um, as of last Friday, they have spoken with the current property owner who just went on vacation
abroad for the next three weeks. So, um, Matt CP has invited us to come to a site visit sometime early September. A date has yet to be scheduled. Um, but I will let you know once we >> mad.
>> Yes. Yes. Mad stumped them. They have that grind and various stumps stumped them. >> Yeah. >> So, it's under the oposes of the mask. She had that voice.
>> I don't know if they're I don't know. I heard that they are sifting. Um I I don't exactly know what they're doing back there, but it definitely looks like some resources have been affected. >> What's the address again?
>> This is 13 Sam West Road. >> It kind of looks like it's behind 11 Sam West, just the way that the property is shaped. Um, but you're welcome to do a driveby. >> First time I ever heard that term
>> yeah, keep us posted on that one. >> All right. So, from the July 20th meeting, we had present Norm, Jerry, Andy, and Dennis. So, we can approve the minutes. If you want to read them, you haven't
read them, please do so. But they look, Andy, they look marvelous. >> Wow. >> Another stellar job. >> I'm happy with them. Me, too. >> Okay. So, I'll take a motion to approve the minutes. I'll >> make a motion to approve the minutes of
July 29th. >> And he made the motion. The second by >> second >> cherry. We'll call vote. >> Got to be quick. And I normally approve the minutes. >> Yeah. >> Oh, we also have mail.
>> Do we have mail? >> Yeah, there's two pieces of mail. >> So, the the resp for the erosion and north pond. Are we going to leave I missed last meeting. So, did we talk about it again last meeting? Are we going to just let it fill in naturally?
Is that what the plan was or what's >> We want the opinion of open space to see what they want to do and Connor wants >> and have a look at the site but he's kind of like in his busy season right
now >> so he said he was going to do it sometime >> in August so it's kind of unfold >> but we did get a response from um the date and such >> I was I was there for the two meetings
ago it was talked about that that's they want to do is let it fill unnaturally or whatever and >> that was a suggest a suggest >> a suggestion yeah so I wasn't sure if we talked about it at all last meeting at all anymore >> no waiting for face to give up this >> got their recommendation
there's two items in the mail one's from the division of fisheries and wildlife pursuant with Massachusetts Endangered Species Act and it's implementing regulations that natural heritage and
endangered species program of the division of fisheries and wildlife division to vote to inform you of the availability of the draft priority habitat map. the public comment
beginning after on August 5th that it the website the draft map has been revised to reflect new biological information as well as land use changes. Specifically, the division is requesting
public comment on the status of areas proposed for delineation or removed as priority habitat regarding the physical or biological features of that habitat or the current scope of existing development in the area. Please note the
draft priority habitat map for the 16th edition of the national heritage atlas should be used for commenting purposes only and not for project planning or regulatory review. 15th edition atlas available through the division
is still in effect until the 16th edition is officially published. The comment period will end October 4th, 2026. Please encourage your constituents to view the draft map and participate in the public comment period. Written
comments will be proposed. Priority habitat map may be submitted to the division electronically as explained on the website. >> Okay. >> Can you send us a link to that? >> Make sure I um forwarded it to you.
Okay. Now, I have something else for the mail here, but I don't know who it's from. Is this anonymous? >> This is an anonymous letter sent to us a couple weeks ago that prompted me to go have a look at 13 Samless. >> Do we want to be read an anonymous paragraph? I'll read it to you.
Conservation Department, I want to communicate how disgusted I am. You allowed a pond and wetland ecosystem to be dozed over and filled behind number 11. Living on Sam West, I cannot I can't count the times I found a turtle on the
road during my morning walk and took it back to the pond for release. I'm going to look further into this through the state to see if any laws have been broken. Google Maps still shows the pond and wetlands and I I will be attaching
that with my inquiry to Boston. August 3rd informed >> and believe let that happen Norm. >> That's what prompted me to drive by them west. >> Turtles cross to lay eggs, don't they? >> Yes, they did. That's a sign of a
healthy wetland, isn't it? When the turtles are >> Yeah. >> I don't think they're laying anywhere over there now. >> No, but they're jumping in and out. I mean, if there's turtles, it's healthy. There was no turtles being picked up. That would be an issue. >> I think they're saying that there's no
turtles now. >> Well, no, that's not how I read it. I think they were trying to say the t turtles were evacuating because there's an issue. >> That's how I read it. >> They must be leaving. >> Anybody got anything else they'd like to bring up?
>> I'd like to bring up motion to adjurnn. Ah, that second roll call votey. That I have an eye to adjourn the meeting at 8:36
>> 3:36 what's still Rod Turn.