okay we will call the Conservation Commission meeting of March 3rd 2025 to order at 7:07 pm and we start by taking attendance starting with Kevin Kevin solar kevis
Clark Jerry Patria Andy Norm Cher is Chris proud on you connecting to audio okay first item for business is any public comments from anybody in the
audience that would like to speak on any subject see none is there any online anybody I know there was someone who wanted to speak during public comment but she's not here right now so maybe she shows up later Cindy Christie
yeah Christie Ben okay oh chrisy um I can I got okay so I'm friend from Friends of the south of rail trail I'm the chair also the chair of New Haven North and North hon Canal Greenway which is all the nonprofits from New Haven to Northampton that's the whole
entire roil Greenway um and we are doing our spring cleanup we're working with the sou land trust for April 26th um but also I know there's a lot of disc question about you know just promoting South as a outdoor
recreational community so I did sit in on the economic development meeting the other week and their fans with some of the things they're doing also would like to maybe try to see this year and um with getting outside kind of like Get
outside kind of thing and that REI has done for a lot of years um and trying to promote things like in the town that a lot of the land the conservation does there's there's hiking there's the gardening part that you guys do um and
we do the rail trail part obviously um and the land trust um is interested so just trying to as a multiple groups verus just one doing all thing would like to see how we can
prevote um getting Outdoors so I don't know if you guys have anything where and talking with the schools doing safe Roots school to from safe roots from that is going to do some things um but maybe down the road maybe where we can
have something showing like like if there's something about the guarding the hiking trails things like that something you guys want to put in something that's a visual so if we had a table or we hadent there's something that that um could
be with conservation lands like there's the grand Gorge more divining um you guys have the trail section um so I don't know if you guys have ever thought about doing that or if
you have anything Outsider other than with on the website kind of like promoting hiking and some people you know when we get the signs up for the bathing the fourth yeah yeah we should promote
that we're getting signs up for the uh conservation land on North Pond what's it called at the sanowski we chose sanowski um but it's called shinin Yoku Forest bathing it's sort of like um
almost meditative Trail where you're kind of involving all five of your senses um but we also have something right now on our website it's an
interactive map of all of the recreational um areas in South Lake I don't know if you've been on it yet I'll look again um and I can send that to you via email um if anything maybe a make a
QR code for that for that website just so maybe I printed out on a piece of paper so people can have something physical to put on those tables right um I think we've talked about creating a brochure I think that's in the master plan right to create a brochure of all
of the uh pable areas in Southwick so we are thinking about creating something to hand out um but that that map was made back in 2020 not that long ago when you were
intern inter no that was 2010 when it was intern that's when the original V was made maybe yeah y yeah and I believe there is also a QR code already made up for the
um open space areas do you know where that is Chris yeah I made it up I can send it to oh yeah something that's you know easy quick to read invisible so you have something like talk principles know at a
table that where the parents kids come in and then we're trying to figure out maybe things going along um and even too we have very large chios on the trail so we could maybe do something where it accommodates you guys where they're
going to have the metal one for the businesses attach you know for all the things but um it might be also I'll look at get there off again but you know may be also good for you guys I'll have to look I don't know if they connected you guys
on that know they're putting one up on the New England trail are you talking about the economic development think they he did uh Greg mentioned the New England trail um I think the sanowski
possibly The Gorge I can't remember he he did say a few of them from what I remember just yeah that's something or if there's things like I don't know how you guys put out there for like the the property for the for the gardening
and like that thing if you want to be notified of that if there's I don't know if those slots are already taken or if you want Like You video do that thing with the school um just let me know um as far as the community
garden that is agricultural Commission right and actually the chair is online right now he's going to have to unmute himself here I go hello everyone and I'm using
my wife's uh laptop just for the record I'm sure you can figure that out um yeah the community uh there are uh we're just kind of getting ready for the season and um there are 27 plots there it's on Mort Vining Road as part of the sanowski
preser Reserve uh there's information and application on the agriculture commission's uh page on the town website so um uh that should be helpful
uh I'm not sure what else I could tell you right now are all the plots spoken for or is there availability no generally there are several people a lot of people who return year after year but there are
available plots probably you know 12 or so generally are not spoken for maybe she could come to your meeting Bert and you could give her the rund down all the all the events you have planned for the for the year so we can
get those out there sure absolutely yeah our uh our next meeting is March 12th um if that works or it's the first I I'm sorry the second Tuesday of each month thank you B sure chy anything
else okay thank you just for the record Let's uh just let you know that our chairman Chris Pratt has joined us on on zoom and Chris do you want to run the meeting from from home or no I don't have my paperwork with me so it' be fine if you did it from there Norm okay we'll
do yeah is there anybody else online that has any public statements to make okay if not we'll move on to our first public hearing which is a continuation of noi 29242 4 166 Brookshire Avenue proposed
demolition of the existing house construction of a new single family home and Associated site improvements portions of the proposed workin the 100 foot buffer zone of lake kont and the 100e flood zone
yeah Bic the continuation was uh for the site visit and to look at the trees existing on the property and so kind of at this point we're opening up to any questions really nor had we have some requests when we're on the S of this I know i' I
made a request for enhanced um Sil fences right armor armor control and I believe Norm talking about trees when they're out there yeah
replacing some the trees that are planed to come down right so I guess there was some discussion on the side visit about what trees were you guys f with being taken down there are listed on the plans as what was to be removed I can bring it closer
if you guys need to see it um but I guess it's to the discretion of the the commission is this a Revis from the last time yes sir do you have a copy of the Revis plan to put it up right now bring it up so Chris can see it to there we
go um so I assume all the revisions are down over in this area am I correct the trees um it's just the uh the planting of supplementation for
the trees being proposed to be removed so AC stands for um the service Berry and BP stands for white birch so here's AC I assume those same
size are also AC yes and then the cluster is y so they very in Bri so the new proposal has how many trees going in there's a total of 12 white birches
being proposed and four service berries and were those apple trees being left alone or was that yeah the apple trees are as regards the the trees up top yeah yeah yes wasn't there some discussion about trees on that Northern boundary as to
whether they needed to come down or not one of them looked sick but two of them didn't necessarily look at right I mean the client would like to take down those trees and hoping that the replanting would supplement that that was your concern when you were out there that's what my concern was you
know we have a a no touch bylaw 50ft bylaw to the lake um I can see if a tree is sick or diseased taking it down um but you know there I think three of those trees that look pretty healthy and I don't see like a reason for them to be
taken down there's not um it doesn't impede the view to the lake so I'm not really sure of the purpose for removing them is there a purpose for removing them as far as just uh property Aesthetics and I mean I guess it what
the idea was to just make sure anything falling down on the property in the future can be mitigated did you ask for an arborus to examine those trees see the health of them um I did not because I didn't think it was necessary they looked pretty healthy to me um you know one did have
some branches that were looking not so nice but the others were looked fine to me so I didn't think there' be an arbous necessary if you know if they would like to have it checked out they could well if they want to take them down I'd like
to see the Arbiters say that they need to come down for a reason right if if they're diseased or there's a problem then they need to come down but if the arist doesn't find anything that I would say that they should stay up they should
remain right yeah I don't think we'll make this a staking point if you know commission wants to be left up there maybe part of the order conditions will be to leave those pafic trees up okay like to maintain our bylaws and make
sure that you know we don't let it go because if we let one person do it then everyone's going to want to do it and then it becomes a bigger problem um just clarification for me which stre are we talking about here
they're inside the 50- foot buffer there's a cluster I think there were three trees cluster to the northern boundary and one of them did appear to be having some difficulties right up in that area yeah is that the one that had difficulties where I'm pointing at
right now uh there I can't be exactly sure but without looking at a picture also andot pretty looked pretty healthy I believe the two that you guys believe looked healthy were just just above left to what you were just pointing at those
two that I'm pointing those I believe there are three right together they were three yeah they were close together I don't think they were like physically touching but they're close together um what was the
species oak oak I believe they're Oaks yeah just so I know what to write so if they did find if there was a problem or there were disease later on they could come back to the commission with a
arborist and uh an appeal right yeah okay any other things that came up on the site visit anybody wants to talk about I think that was it as far as I'm concerned I mean the rest seems pretty straightforward you know the distance
between Lots that's not really within our purview but I think they're keeping that uh pretty much the same um I think it's 10 foot border between
each Ry line for a building envelope for a motion to close the hearing that would have be nice so move no second we have a second from Chris Bratt Chris Bratt second y to close the hearing to close
the hearing yeah okay roll call Vote Yes Kevin says yes Dennis I Jerry I Andy that I yeah Chris P ey okay for motion
to approve this with conditions three Three Trees remain up and Arbor Sil fenses erosion control $10,000 Bond okay I'll second that
motion motion and a second all those in favor have I that I Jerry I Andy I I Norm CH I Chris Pratt I unanimous vote thank you very much thank you what's the next
meeting next item on the agenda is an RDA for 19 Foster Road and I'll read the call the town of Southwick Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts butland protection act DC
13140 and the Southwood Conservation Commission regulations and biar chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request for determination project is located at 19 Foster Road southw Mass parcel 66 on map
797 the applicant proposes site visits within the 100 foot buffer zone the meeting will be held on March 3rd 2025 via hybrid starting at 7M in the southw town hall and on Zoom any petitioner here would you like
to come up pleas nor might a point order sure um is there an already a not order of conditions on this property that has been certificate compliance issued oh the certificate has been issued on yeah
for 19 Y for the record name and address for the record 19 po the road how big here Alexander
everybody has a copy of the RDA application ol yeah El might have to turn on a little bit but which one you want me to put up let's go with the the last page first
know all the buffer zone is the last page for you okay yeah I need my magnifying um really can't see my mouse that well
right where my mouse is that's the 50 okay the 100 toward the road is toward the road right here right and then over here the Wetland right there okay and here
was the um the previous projects Sil fence and the monuments are placed here so nothing Beyond here I mean monuments were there put
there for um to indicate like no disturb be on this point yeah um so the swimming pool is that in the 100 foot buffer zone and the 50 Foot is a combination let me see where 50 it's in
the 50 okay yes it's in the the driveway extension is it is partially out of jurisdiction and partially in the adder 100
okay the garage is in the inner 50 inner 50 so how many square feet are within the inner 50 and how many square feet are in within the 100 fot can do some
now well the garage has got two different sizes on his plant 24 by 30 and 24 by 24 deck is good the garage the deck has got two different sizes on the size 24
by4 I have this and I have this and on each piece of paper has a different number the number has to be the same on the B pce of eight I believe under by law or any law this would trigger a notice of
intent just the amount of square feet would they done jurisdictionally area we still have 50 Area period if it's in a buffer area it's over 100 square feet I believe it
automatically triggers the notice done is that for new disturbance only because these are accessory within the already existing walls that's what I was held up on when I was reading it's it's possible you're
right but this is my thinking why I suggested the RDA with but I mean a lot of it is in the inner 50 so I understand that they're still going to be doing a
lot of work like putting in the pool uh I'm sure there'll be grading involved there even though I can't really tell by looking at this depiction I can't see any lines for elevation where the pool is yeah Alex did mention that the pool
there would be grading around the pool and Alex if I'm speaking correctly you can correct me um so the pool would sort of partially be in ground partially out does that make sense I'm not a pool
person so he he was going to like remove Phil for the pool and his plan was to like Spread spread the Phil throughout um the lawn area I'm not comfortable doing this under an RDA I don't know about anybody
else think that sounds like a lot of disturbance within that 50 foot the previous Tri I don't think we ever resolve with asking another ask without resolving the previous we don't have enough control over this either without
having the notice of intent and Order conditions just doing this under an R seems Way Beyond the scope of what an RDA has meant part what he did put in all of these Evergreens to mitigate for
that um needs to be taken that needs to be settled before another favor is asked that that situation was taken advantage of and I don't think we should prove something we don't want any more mitigation going on we want it done
correctly without the added sheet add I think the additional was more just more information right the garage size is different different and that's just simple yeah just need to correct the language right
and then the other that's a very broad word do definitely not an RDA right there's how many things listed 7 8 9 10 11 12 maybe it would be more easily def
find if it were under an noi yeah I mean it's a little bit more involved but better defined is always good when you're trying to trace things back later instead of trying to decipher this I'd like to make a motion to find a positive
if that's on the table have a motion to find a positive result of the RDA do we have a second second okay any further discussion on the motion okay we go for a roll call vote c
i i Jerry I Andy I Norm I Chris I your plan has presented has been rejected it's been ruled as a positive discrimination specifically
yes we didn't reject anything we said it needs a needs to go another step yeah it just needs to be uh revise revised to an noi notice of been I can help and uh when we should address this
issue can you just State your your name and address I'm his cousin what is his name Roman Roman r m r o n n m a n and then last name f e d o t o f e d o t
o o t u Victor I do understand we like set in the wrong way since the beginning what what happened with him is was
play doing wrong from our side because we didn't know most our like life in United States will NE massachus it and it's completely different rules there like you're just going to C fall to Department of Public Work oh I'm going
to take that three down oh no problem take it down like it was that easy and uh we naturally assumed because South week and a fing kills CL cities and it's much easier like probably the rules are
the same but we didn't know that I would be surprised if agan was not more strict than South CU they they are generally more we not well you may not have been working in a wetland is the problem the thing is is this these these guidelines are all through Mass D it's the whole
state of Massachusetts that we work why I came just to head my head around about like what this meeting are about and I understand it now you like you have to be PR don't don't assume anything okay no I
understand you you have to like preserve the land and uh to to see how everything is going on around the city and we understand it now and uh uh I didn't cat your name sir my name is Andy Andy like um like you said we
have to resolve the first issue first and uh we we're going to get to it but uh as you see the winter is rough and we're going to get to those ever greens as soon as it's going to get a little warmer we we those and uh in that case
maybe after that the everg greens will will be planted we can come back for another meeting yep sounds good okay okay thank you can you state your address as well oh I do live in 35 Wither Street ping
Hills massachusett 35 with Street w t h e r i d g e Street yes and Feeding Hills you said okay I just need it to for the not problem are you his um translator no I'm
his cousin he said he's gonna bring a translator so I assume and of fortunately Julie's not here so but that here thank you so much sir okay thank
you okay just clean up the language so all the numbers match yeah many times where the numbers just got the same and then it's what it says on the map has to be same as what's written and you know deto the drawings okay yeah we'll
do okay matter okay we'll move on to our next public hearing thank you thank you so thank so
much have a good evening there on theer right now is that what the monumentation is yes the monation I think was not at the 50 Foot it was it was like within the inner 50 it was pretty close to
because the area was already dist that's what I'm saying because it would you would think so because the the 50 Foot buffers like almost goes right to the corners of the house that's why I'm asking is the it looks like theide the that's usually is all this
workos when you say it's on the right the better side of the yeah yeah so they're not going into the W be more scrutinized doesn't look like
it okay okay right let's move on to our moving along public heing now they're big enough to what they're suppos to here we go software Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts
Woodland protection act GLC 13140 and souler Conservation Commission regulations in bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request for determination the project is located at
32 Hillside Road Southwest Mass map 63 parcel 06 the applicant opposes agricultural site improvements within the 100 book buffer resource area the meeting will be held on March 3rd 2025 via
hybrid starting at 700 PM in the South Lake Town Hall and on Zoom Jeff you going speak for the petition or are you sir names and address please so good evening Jeff Smith uh syvan Associates
and we representing Lisa Chapman 32 Hillside Road it's the RDA we um do some improvements in maintenance on some uh agricultural land you go Christmas trees and blueberries
um we submitted an RDA uh there was a request for a planting plan we reached out to the NRC and nrcs and it was outside this it
was it was not within their scope because no resource area direct impact so we were supposed to get an email from did not get one yet we met with gave agricultural
commission Mr Hansen and of letter endorsing the project so um I did write up a planting plan and a conservation plan to explain how we would protect the the drain at
and it really is pretty much just that it's a it's a small intermittent stream with two small little grinage Basin to be regulated as an intermittent stream and it's been channelized over
the years through the field uh it's got a distinct channel it's not braided or spread out at all so we're proposing to put a 15 foot vegetated buffer along it in the cleared area and we she has a
couple of uh plant a nice list of that 15ot change from 25 foot the reason I wanted to go less was so that we can really get inside and clean out the invasives along with stream it's
pretty thick with multiflor rows in there and so um just for your information in your packets the first two pages are the most um up toate revised Nar narrative that Jeff provided and um then you have
one from February 14th and then you have the actual wp11 the agricultural Horticultural classification for that's Che
61 and then um you have some images and I think I was running out of menta so some of you have color some of you don't then you have the standed planting plan
right okay so I thought this was an updated narrative this is what they have first they went with the RDA okay and then I okay so this is the planting yeah February 27 yes February 27 yeah I
thought it was initially in the initial RDA we didn't have any of the species okay that you wanted that uh we was planning to PL so she gave us a very extensive list
of three different things one plant she wants to plant along with the drain um flag Iris but Bush the fern um all really good a really good plant
selection for that selc conservation plan along the stream and then out from there they would be planting Christmas trees and blueberries um raspberries and then some
cutting flowers asers that was nice yeah I have a really nice plan what they want to do there and um Ryan's going to do the clearing he's going to remove invasive species
including uh the bitter wheet that's up in trees that are even standing instead of cutting the trees down and leave trees up clear the bitter wheat out just hack it down where it lives yeah she wants to get in there and thin it out there's a lot of nice White Oaks in there that she wants to keep there's
some cotton Woods um up towards the north side it'll be good for rain um absorbing moisture um there's some hickories she wants to keep and anything that's worth keeping she wants to us to thin out and selectively thin The Vines out of everything get rid of all the
invasives okay okay the agricultural commission ask I'd like to hear from Bert or Juliet himself yeah uh Jeff and Ryan came to our uh last meeting and we um as our
letter says you know we we un unanimously voted to you know support the project and we're enthusiastic about the project um of course subject to Conservation Commission approval and hopefully that can um you
guys have already done a site visit right uh did so hopefully we can move things along I do you good with this okay any further questions of Jeff like they've done everything that uh we
asked to yeah thank you anybody want to make a motion I'll make a motion to approve the plan I'll second it's find it negative agricultural a motion a second foring a negative determination negative
is good yes met made the second thank you than Dennis Jerry I Andy nor I Chris Pat ey anous vote to see a matter
of good thank you from the Adcom very welcome than for taking the 10day period before work at your own Peril is that correct fill the paperwork they start do they need to start right now the ground is frozen yeah while it's
still frozen and if he can get in there as soon as possible and get working it'll be a lot lot less mud cleaner lot less yeah for sure that's up to you the only time I've ever seen the D find somebody for starting too early is when a neighbor called up and complain so
unless we've got some neighbors it's I'm not think anybody's complaining about this they doing a nice job there so that would be would think that would be a big get in there as teally technically
I've only seen it enforced once to the it won't be ready until next meeting that's when they sign we can't say yes technically we can no didn't do you know very good thank you Jeff
thanks for all right have a good evening everybody luck with it we gonna move on the new business everyone thank you everybody thank you first item is application for variance section 6.2
annual removal of docks at 196 Berkshire Avenue this is the dock that they could not remove because the Bieber Hospital rebuilt I heard about that and encompassed part of the dock yep kind of
took it over didn't they damn be they've been busy came back fig what happen anchored it down to the dock kind of um
crazy it's big you you guys have a little picture of pretty amazing colors LMC has reviewed this and believes that VAR should be wow I make a motion to sign the
variance you have a second I'll second J made the second Lo call vote Kevin I Dennis I Jerry I Andy I I normi unanimous vote please take not this private property sorry beavers they
don't read they don't read who did the second was it Sher I did wow at that okay do you want me to sign for first or um went in with the plane and took out so less than a year all right what was the address on that
1966 okay Okay order of conditions extension request zero Hudson Drive we have Olivia online for this hello hi I'm Olivia Crosby with wsp um here representing naason um on
submitting this order of condition extension request um this is for the Southwick solar project at on Hudson Drive um the order of conditions um ahead of expiring we we need to
finalize um the utility poll the utility company needs to install utility polls um and final stabiliz stabilization of the site otherwise um construction is complete at the project so we
anticipate the utility company installing polls around April and final stabilization should be complete in May I don't think got something to say Indie I don't think they're going to install it an April because they still need a they want to put polls on my property
so how long are you looking for an extension for for three years or two years or one year or two years although you know we don't expect you know to need that that length of time was thing that all things were extended or something like that because
of the pandemic an actual request for extension or was this just to say a knowledge the um automatic extension the automatic extension I can't remember that did yeah so we oh sorry go ahead that's all right I I was just
reiterating that it did apply to a chapter 91 thing where the the the state government extended everything a couple of years I'm not sure how far it trickled down to everything else Kevin made a good point so yeah so you know we were requesting the permit extension
request um but we also our understanding is with the mass leads act being passed that this um order of condition extension would fall under that um newly passed law which would extend it an additional two
years but we weren't entirely sure of the process and how that's handled if you guys have come across this before and it's just kind of like a recordkeeping thing or um we're looking to you for you know that extension Grant an extension cover cover their you may
hear from the state about that blanket extension that's how I found out I'll make a motion to uh extend the order of conditions I'll second for two years sure okay motion to extend the
order two years who who we seconded it I did roll call vote k i Dennis I Jerry I and Nori Chris I unanimous vote okay they never know the state come out next
week or next month and change your mind again so thank you appreciate it welcome okay next item on new business is seeking blanket approval for select board to expand conservation Wetland
fees for purposes consistent with chapter 131 section 40 members to discuss and review the draft letter hi this is me um so we have our Wetlands protection
act filing fees the state side filing fees not our bylaw filing fees these are put into a separate account and in order for us to access this money we need permission um from the select board as
well as a majority vote from you guys uh the town of Lincoln has sort of streamlined this and they requested their select board to uh give the conserv their Conservation Commission a blanket approval so long as you guys have a majority vote on spending the
funds so I was piggybacking on that idea there's a precedent already yeah exactly um and I kind of just do I have the example I have a draft here oh the example um blanket approval is the next page from
um the town of Lincoln MH so this is this this is the draft that I'm hoping to you know send off to the select board is it defined are there any limits you know like can't can't go over a certain amount
or as long as there's funds in the account I think there is no limit not like the revolving account how long is it good for do we have to do this every year now or is it blanket a blanket in the example it says the BL their blank Lincoln the town
of Lincoln says the blanket approval is given for the remainder of the fiscal year and until such approval is renewed or evoked by further action of the select board so I think it's up to the select board our select board if they want it to do it
annually or until they decide okay it's up to them so I was I was gonna give them um the linkoln example okay okay it looks good the only thing I when you say like blanket approval that
you you usually need to Define limits well you guys want to define the liit not really when you get a blanket approval for like office supplies it's whatever is in the account so can't exceed you put it for $100 or put it for $1,000 whatever so that could
be construed as whatever's in the account not to ex you already maybe could put that in there right whatever Expendable funds if you want me to change how much money generally is in account that maybe just have a little definition of what blanket
approval encompasses something like that blanket blanket is everything blanket is everything everything and anything that's within our might as well yeah I don't know it could be construed as present and future though how much money is it we're having a discussion about
$200 or $20,000 it really depends because this is the these is the notice of intent fees that we get repa it does it ever get as high as $20,000 I doubt it
so to it's not like we're gonna spend 10 million on oh no no no right so a blanket approval isn't like a big deal yeah no no and this and then we can only spend like we can only spend this money on administration of
the wetlands protection act right we can't spend it on anything else no so we couldn't spend it on Supply any so there's a cabie out there not necess so like pens limited unless you guys are only using pens while you're doing Wetland protection X stuff no okay um
but like I'm buying some of our files now with the Wetland because we putting the Wetland protection ex stuff F into those files and we're not putting anything else into those files right so about paper can you buy paper with that because I think we can buy paper as long as we separate because I'm doing the
same thing with the local permitting program I'm buying paper separating it buy and running lpp on it it costs a lot of money it's a lot it's a lot of St it back in and have wording like not to exceed a certain amount whatever that is
whatever is the maxim of the account is yeah so like this is something if we wanted to say like we need to hire a third party consultant or something the money would come out of for something like that like a project or something like that yeah
yeah okay seems reasonable sounds good go for it I think an easy check and balance would be that you'd have to you couldn't bring it up and vote on it in the same meeting so it would give you the select board time to come back and say whoa that's not what we're talking about like they could come down here if
we talked about it at this meeting and voted on it in the next meeting sure then they would have time to intervene and they might want more information for the balance right right this is just to approve the draft letter I think right right yeah but as a check and balance that would give them time to respond so
if we decided to buy pens and they said you can't buy pens they come down and tell us so then you know I mean so then should we just mix this and just have the select board approve everything like it says in the regs well what if no no
no so this is giving us authorities if we need to use the money for something like that in a meeting if we need to hire a third party or something like that this is giving us permission just to use those funds for that corre don't have to go to things up like I think that we need
this so that we don't have to go to the select board and delay that's the whole purpose you still have to vote on it so you guys it would be majority vote i' make a motion to approve the the letter I think it's a good idea we have a motion to approve the letter do we have a second second
second I I beat you Chris okay if you want to time delay yeah roll call vote on the approval of the draft letter I Den I Jerry I Andy nor
chis I unanimous vote moving on to the next item under new business speaking amendment to chapter 25 and 25-5 local Wetland applications revolving fund members to discuss the
review draft warrant article this is me again guys um so this is our local bylaw Wetland filing feed account in 2020 I believe the account was created
but the details weren't put into the account for example where the money comes from who's allowed to spend it and if there's any restrictions for what program activity um we do have a cap I think it was
$50,000 last year that they approved for the revolving we'll probably never see that much in the account but this is basically just to clean up um our accounts now couldn't we do this at a at a meeting under it's not a bylaw but
it's a regulation would this be the regulations to go along with that bylaw which can be done at a iation meeting I think it needs to be done during a check that out I don't I'm not not sure about that I think regulations can be
done at not positive but that's what we're used to doing in yeah I think bylaws go to town meeting regulations don't have to it's my understanding check that out the regulation would
be a committee committee vote yeah corre at a advertised meeting schedule and then uh by bylaws would be town meeting town
meeting but isn't this under V isn't this under there's no regulations for this bylaw is what you're saying and what we need to do is make regulations for the bylaw so that's what we're talking about here okay I can shoot it off to council and see what
they to make it easier yeah um if they say we need to have it during town meeting I mean we have enough we have enough meetings beforehand so I'll second week of
May May May first half of May so we want to hold this for further evaluation yeah okay we need a motion to do that we don't do we just table it for now
or discuss later yeah table we'll table that for now next item review ding Yoku
Yoku Yoku you've been practicing haven't you um I took a little bit of Japanese during the shutdown that word wow that's that's admirable don't remember much but I'm Chinese too um so I think I'm going
to take this off the agenda for right now because well I haven't had much time to look into to it um I did just pick up my book that I have today and I'm like okay I think I have an idea but I mean my goal was to have this up and running
by Springtime I I don't think that's going to happen um but I mean I think you guys read some of it at least it was good um I think there are some things that could be left out um edited
for example the lady slipper was not the correct Orchid um but cor for what so there's a picture sorry I didn't clarify there was a picture of an orchid when there is a description of a lady slipper it wasn't
the right one but that's we can fix that take your time make sure we do it right yeah you know they're going to cost some money feel like there should be less words on each sign um except the first one I really like I like the
introduction of it it's good um but I think yeah there could be less words on on the other signs right and just a little more simple yeah yeah simple always better yeah every word costs
money too yeah suppos to be relaxing of like trying to comprehend words is cheaper and that's where it cheaper kind of sad but true so yeah yeah I wanted to get into that book
again and have another look and then I'll get then I'll do an edit and send it off to you guys to see what you have to say but I'll take it off the agenda yeah take your time get a ride to first time be great okay he did a great job
I'm not saying he didn't do a good job extra set of eyes always climbing up the tree he doing it on by himself yeah and then he submitted it and I'm like oh this is a lot does that include the Japanese symbol symbology too or
just English words I was thinking about leaving the the japanesey it's just a shin it says porest bathing shinyoku is it easy to etch something like that on a sign the whole thing on Southwoods I
don't know if you guys I did I read it yeah yeah Forest bathing Forest bathing explains it I mean it makes sense it was interesting there were too many hints maybe like do this then do that and do that you know there's maybe not a need
for that just kind of simplify a lot of that yeah you know I was I did go to a trail over in Central Mass um on this family's like conservation restriction property and it was very I don't even know if she realized she was doing
shinrin Yoku but there was plaque just like pieces of wood says see hear smell that's it and that's it yeah yeah that might be enough it might be enough right um so I wanted yeah I wanted to really
have a look at that and I don't know if you guys had any suggestions that you want to show me the last version i' like can you see the leaves can you smell the Le it was very descri yeah yeah there's a lot of detail a lot of detail okay but I really like the first
one though you like the concept yeah sure okay okay all right next item update on the master plan prioritization for open space and conservation I sent out an email yesterday I received three
responses today uh Bennis says he's GNA get me his on yesterday it was Saturday was the day before yesterday was it Saturday I ignored it yesterday oh okay I just couple days ago I think couple days ago
I said a reminder with a form have to check okay you said you're gonna do it for tomorrow I will yeah okay Chris you gotta you still have to I'll be getting it done hope they'll have time tomorrow one more from you I sent you something
at like four o'clock oh okay then I didn't okay all right yeah very good let me know if because I I think I tried to send you it on Friday and I may have missed some tabs or something I got something Friday
today yeah went today okay just let me know if I'm very good so we're getting close on that one old Business review and sign order of conditions 9 91 cville we have that ready to
sign things for you guys see 91 Co Hills so we do have signature page and I think it's the last page is where I have
the additional conditions and ongoing conditions so just just check this spot to make sure that's what you guys asked for okay and then and then sign so check the bottom of the last page yeah so we can do
okay the next one is water condition 65 Tanner Road same thing um check the last I think it's just ongoing conditions for this one you guys said a monument in form of
stone yeah send it around everybody revie the last and there's a $10,000 bond for BL I think yeah I have no I have some notes that 10K continue Stonewall 50 foot
buffer that's all you probably got that then we have review and sign 170 mayf last I don't have a little here just that's
continuation so same is that for 65 Tannery we talked would be under determin Stonewall at OT buffers line that's what we talked about yeah
very good y that one's good sign I didn't sign we were just reading just the last page to make sure everybody's clear then we'll pass it around again I think right you don't want to sign it Andy last page like you could save time
she wanted you to check to make sure it's what we wanted I had some notes down from last times I'm comfortable with sign they look good Mayflower Lane okay that we're going to call it weed
maintenance not removal that was my only note on that way 35 by 45 I think weed maintenance not removal did we write that I think it's on the top it says we we cut it above the roots yeah did say
Cut Above The Roots to be removed we talked about terminology making the difference you know I think the only thing I we discussed that didn't jump in there is that the amount we allowed them to remove is proportionate to the size of the
property so that someone else can't come back with a 35 foot property and say I want you move them all you know what I'm saying that was the only part that we had in there but we did discuss it it is part of the meeting we could go back yeah yeah yeah it's
that's the beauty of Zoom that's not under the conditions but it's not no do we need it to be well like Andy said it's in the meeting minutes and it's in the okay start signing yeah good we haven't
approved the meetings yet the minutes yet so we can add it to the minutes yeah good now you're right here this way might as well ships Crossing in the night there coming back for Signature right
yeah Chris is the only one missing Chris can you sign us from here ala make it so give it a stamp yeah you should have a stamping right I do there is one do oh no we got them going in two directions
sorry about that guys good now I got I did three okay okay one sign three okay next item under old business North Pond Conservation Area task force recommendations from the select
board discussion assign T remember much about that one hold it for the next meeting then okay we did we did kind of assign P you and I went out there measured it
about things yeah we didn't talk about it last time little bit yeah we assigned it yeah yeah this is ahead this is the other stuff that the Leed board not well no the task force suggested us to do I think that
includes additional signage um possibly buttoning up that other side of fence line where the ATVs are coming in yeah I believe that's been buttoned
up before but we can try again yeah that's like dirt bikes are coming in didn't look like ATV tracks it was a dirt bike Truck Yeah on that side I don't know all um we did mention that they wanted to
work on the parking lot but I don't really know who's taking on that path um if it's select board I thought Randy Brown was going to take care of that yeah I thought it was select board doing that the number of spots and yeah
they've taken that over so concers off that yep hand the select board was doing a No Parking sign yep right I have to look were we looking at moving the fence around or was that
the select board because the fence had to be moveed all the rails and the fences and I think that's like you said Randy Brown I think under the instruction of SL Lord to ask our DPW to do it for us they have Machinery yeah
all right we keep that on and we got the outfall of Baker shore on South pwn it's the storm drain on Griffin Road on private property any update on that all right so did Diane basically tell us
um to move forward and treat it like a violation do do I remember that correctly or no okay she was here at a meeting I think and she was here the last meeting but I don't recall her telling us that yeah I don't remember that part I didn't hear it
no I think it was at because I wasn't here at the last meeting yeah I think it was at meei that's got to be negotiated with us the states with the select board overstep our
jurisdictions they put the storm drain on the wrong that's a supposedly but the property line dis disputed beyond our Call of Duty I think think the get called out on this
one I believe the um D was the ones who said treat it as a violation yes I know doesn't that imply that there was a definitive land boundary established and you're not supposed to you're not
supposed to dump water into the lake like that in the first place so that's a violation in itself it's not doesn't really matter where it is it's it's in it's in our Our Lake it's Massachusetts get the violation that's fine and dandy but is the D gonna back
us up on it when it push comes to shove right who knows I know they're not yeah you get them to commit that they'll back us up on it then we'll go after them so Chris what you're saying is irregardless of which state the pipe
is in it still shouldn't be dumping in the lake correct so it doesn't matter that it's on the right side of the boundary yeah who do you send the letter to the town of Suffield I believe because they're the ones who put it there right yes they are the ones who
put it there and according to that last survey done by okay who did it Connecticut Connecticut did the survey that that was on the sou side correct which is kind of a moot point the point is you can't dump water in the lake where the pipe is doesn't matter to us
so why is aware of it why isn't D taking under their control like like if some homeowner does something wrong and D gets wind of it and it's egregious enough they're going to go after homeowner over why aren't they going after the T of leftfield oh they told us
to treat it like any violation so you understand my point they'll go after certain people but why wouldn't they go after you know saying we go after somebody and we get a legal challenge will the DP back us up probably but why is DP handling it now like you
know what I mean like normally like we handle stuff in house but if it's something that's that egregious like that's a state water think why wouldn't they be showing some concern of it that should be they all I think there's some
confusion on on who's working on this find out we know Randy was working on it Diane was working on it they're working on the maintenance who's going to maintain it well it's probably going to get should get ripped
out or something happen to it not just maintain it shouldn't be it should be a matter of it being done right maintain or updated to notify the town of subfield that that's an inappropriate action which may be appropriate in Connecticut but not Massachusetts then
at least it's on record that like we already told you once and the next time they start putting the pipe in and someone shows up and shuts them down they've already got noticed that you you're not supposed to do that so if they decide to put in a second pipe somewhere else they already know they're
not supposed to if you never tell them the same issue we have so just write something that's come to our attention that is potentially a drait drain yeah because we never cited anyone on North Pond we were
limited to the actions we could take so if we never cite Suffield for the inappropriate action you ever go after put something in writing and put them on notice or maybe reach out to D and let D handle you're saying you in the old days
that's what people did there's two of them on in Sabrina and mine's neighborhood that used to big old corad things that used to dump right in the lake and they've been filled in for years no longer flow but back in the day that's what people did they drained into the lake but all the water where the
water is yep where at the dip of Shore Road there was one regardless what has to happen to it it's going to be DP who does the work for it correct so if DP is going to do the work DBW yeah DPW think so DPW is going to do
the work on it then the dpws I agree should talk with the DPW from Connecticut and figure out what's wrong and how to fix it and then maybe collaborate on that but it would really be them we're not going to go in there with pickaxes the sh I most we can do
right now is like Andy said write a letter to it say it's been observed you nothing um threatening or you know just an observation was made and we're putting letting you know we we're on record that we actually noticed this when we're informing you to seld DPW
unpermitted I think till the and let them hand select board let me just interject here we're trying to build a relationship with oh yeah right I don't think we know that Randy Brown is done
his research and and has doesn't no longer belongs to me well you know yeah if if everybody else says it belongs to the Conservation Commission then we then we should take action but let's make sure that that
Randy's still not working the issue with DPW and s in Southfield and you know once we send that letter it's gonna make the relationship tougher than it I think the select board should also be involved with this process which I thought they
were but it doesn't seem to be going anywhere okay let's table it then I think it's okay table this one Chris for another six months are youing I hear you point I think somebody else hand besides
us what's next next conservation meeting that pipe down what's next what's next on the agenda here we got the the 1800 foot dock on North
bond that is moved to the to the Town Council correct so I did not was necessarily for 129 North Lake G it was for all of the residents that AB but way that's right
that that question is out to building towards the is that the one on Sunny Sunny Side no oh we're not there yet one point above that we're talking Sabrina you've got the there used to be a form that we
would fill out to get permission to talk to the to get and I that I I I sent out um an email to M pole I'm like hey this is my question the commission wants you know Town Council um Town council's
advice like what is the protocol because I never had to it used to be a form you'd fill it out it would say have you checked with your other agencies and yeah and they' give you permission to go to Town Council you have to get it from the select board though she just sent it off to Town Council oh okay yeah that's
just she's like all right I sent it out because I thought that that was the protocol as well I've read it in you know in our old files I'm like oh there's a sheet that we have to fill out um but it's just all like she already did it that's fine then okay good
thought we Ted it next one's 56 sunnide Road possible unpermitted work an alteration to a resource area any update on that one um I've been playing phone tag with mass d uh they wanted to give
me an update on what's going on but we just keep ping each other I'll have to give her a all right hold that one to next time dead tree on North Pond conservation property any update on that one no
okay propose amendments to the local permitting program from the state yeah um I have asked Chrissy a couple times uh last time I talked to her or emails exchanged was last week she said that she was
going to be in a meeting with bosses on Thursday and she was going to bring it up but she hasn't updated me on that okay so she knows about it and I've been pushing her a little bit okay next item report from the subfield presentation of
the lpp follow on contract I am happy to say we have a signed contract nice and item number two on there States the following the parties agree that the town of safield and the town of Southwick shall allow a representative
of each Community to speak at their respective conservation meetings on any matter regarding conoman lakes and it rounding Shores excellent and it's got the new fees in there that St well they're gonna they're
gonna step up to their full share their full share not not it's going step up each year oh so the one for last summer that they're going to pay is 3,000 and to go up about $2,000 a
year up to to 170,000 that's pretty good good take that one off the yeah that was hard fought Norm yes yes yes I didn't I I didn't hold much hope for that one for a while report from the suff Conservation
Commission meetings their last meeting was cancelled so there's no update but I'll be glad to take this to their next meeting yeah Noble Street uh subdivision request for extension order of conditions anything new on that I did
try to get an update from Jesse like a month ago and he said that he was going to give me some plans in a week and he never did so um I have a question it goes back to this whole
order of conditions that was automatically extended does that mean that his like not that we want to go saying that but does as well technically I thought about that too I just something of it now seeing it and we just talked about it today that's the reason why I'm asking this expired
before that came out no this is off like this is prated from uh like yeah January 1st to 2023 to January 1st 2025 if at any time you had project
was active you get two years added onto it and they used as not an excuse but a reason you make a point I'm not we're not going to go he still needs to submit the 401 Water qu that's what we're I know I'm just saying
like because that was some of our leverage that we had yes yes do we still have that um we may have leverage like for do they formally have to like State like myette came in with a
couple open orders and said we're just acknowledging it like does it not is it technically expired because he's they're not ackn like I don't know I'm just so vague it's it's very good question like so we're waiting for the state on how to
address that bill that was passed yeah yeah we don't know we don't know how much it encompasses I was like work kind like it is extended for two years and if for some reason I'm like it's not the case
I'm pretty sure the commission is not going to you know put you in violation because everyone at this Point's under the the understanding that it's extended for two years correct I just don't want us us to get ourselves to put ourselves in a bad situation by tell like letting
him under the assumption that his is expired but we're kind of letting everybody else knows that theirs is extended like I don't know how that yeah I don't know it's just kind of like a I don't know not really like even though he's kind of put us in the
position we have to kind of come down on him we kind of also need to be even for every still Jeff is a consultant right Jeff is still his consultant so Jeff should come with you know correct yeah no but you know what I'm saying like we don't want to go
sitting a president for one person and not another yeah yeah but we haven't cited him for no no I know I know we haven't pushed issue but I'm just saying like and everyone that's come before us to mention the two-year contract that's by their representative I haven't done
anything as far as Outreach I don't know yeah we don't know don't know how to answer it they're making the statement it's like okay and we're acknowledging it um because that's we do need that 401 Water Quality
they haven't even and it takes like six months into the state to subtle hints okay what subtle names are stacked up we haven't done the minutes from February 3D
yeah I did notice that there isn't a signature cage on here um that that does need to be would like hold that to the next meeting then make the edits okay you know if you want to do the edits there's also one more thing Andy you
want to fill them in on our meeting with the chief and what we we're doing that in executive stuff because we want to do does that need to be executive if you need an executive that particular subject that we formerly went into executive yeah that should be done we'll
do that in executive just let me know when you want to do executive s before I subm the agenda the minutes I've already done my changes and have they have Incorporated I'm tell do we incorporated them she said she did
the 710 the noi 91 post wrote was that really an noi yes okay CU she just has a roll call for closing and not no I think that was an RDA an RDA you guys just sign the order
conditions driveway it was an yeah okay well there was no uh no uh order conditions and no condition no is that could that be assumed as as a blanket any noi has it a
minimum of like a 10K Bond and monumentation as required or does it have to be spelled out every time it has to be spelled out every time yeah I guess we didn't do that well I think we did but she didn't put it in there well actually we did yeah I think it's just missing in the
minut 10K Bond 5 by7 markers 50 foot Ed shrubs that's my notes so we did talk about it all right so that needs to be let depend that conditions and I can put their noi numbers in now
yeah so why don't we do this at the next meeting with directions good catch things Ro grego David I don't think he was here he's he's the owner David GRE David
maybe greo David Greco David he was he just not just not grego table list the next meeting or do you have any other Corrections she spelled my name wrong it a couple times page two at the top and page three at
the top other no big deal she got it write there's like five other places where she got it right it's like yeah yeah she quit you know yeah she quit you were too tough on her is this our new secretary s no this is our
in would you want to be she's gonna she's gonna try writing you want to introduce her to this commission our answering time didn't you guys yes we met last time I myself last time yeah this is introduce yourself
again she is doing the program um Diversified learning experience with the high school so she's a senior right now at the South Lake High School and and her name is okay just remember Izzy thank you for your your help
anything else on the minutes guys any other changes you want to make for the minutes we make the changes incorporate the changes and bring the signature page into the next time sounds good yeah I'll I'll try to make all the changes you
guys talked about and um do a page and then I want you guys to review it one more time before you want to know what the order of conditions on that one do you want to know what the order of conditions was for that who seconded it because that's the thing that we don't know know I know what they
are I rewatched the video condition I rewatch the whole thing okay and then I if I have a question I can just go back to the video yeah we all set nor no no we're not all
set yet we got mail call here on February 14th the town clerk sent a letter saying the following people have not completed their eics and I know this list is incorrect
but it's I did it today Chris Kevin Andrew re and Chris Bratt mine's mine's all set I yeah I did mine today okay
do you know how to you should have got an email there's there's you click on it and you log in and get ready to sit for an hour and a half no it's just an hour it took me an hour and a half actually listened to it
I did it two stages so it took a while aluminum okay then also on the mail call we've got a plant seed and supplies swap coming up drop off any plant seed
supplies you no longer need at the library and bring some new ones home you don't have to donate in order to take materials drop off dates Thursday May 1st 11 to 5 Friday May 2nd 10 to 5
Saturday May 3rd 10 10:30 donate plants and seeds should be in healthy condition and clearly label we also welcome the donation of any new supplies planter pots ceramic pots seed starting trayes
Etc actual swap is going to be Saturday May 3rd at the Southwick library from 10:30 to 12 who sponsors that or until supplies last sponsored by the Southwick public library and the Southwick
agricultural commission oh nice good for that good and the other thing thing is we did have the budget hearing on Saturday uh we were well received we did have the extra money for more hours for
Sabrina all right excellent we don't know if yet we don't know yet they be cut oh yeah has gone meeting yet right you asked we asked and and this time they didn't tell us this isn't the venue to do it because that went back and forth a
couple times yeah speak up if that was the case I yeah I was almost kind of waiting for it yeah I think it was a win at least that part right right I think we we had a pretty good case I
think yeah so we'll see good good fantastic and that's all I have anybody else have anything I don't okay make a motion to journ second that all in favor have an ey Den I Jerry
I Andy nor Chris I3 and we are closing the meeting all right