good evening all we've reached 7 o'clock it's March 17 this is the sou Conservation Commission meeting it's zoom and also in person and we'll open it up by saying first what what we have for attendance
starting with Jerry Jerry patrio Andy Ron Dennis Clark Norm Cher and we also have our coordinator Sabrina and we have our high school intern intern is
he okay so we'll we'll do the first thing will be public comments is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak on any subject name and address for the record please alexand 19er
Ro I ask permission from you about the to cut STS pinky stamps because I'm order
Evergreens like last time you told mees [Music] [Music] right said a couple of stumps on the way so he's trying to like get rid of them so make
us so she can plant the trees same level you know yeah I'm bringing up so right now there's an active enforcement order for 19 Foster um let me just share and let me get my mind what I'm
doing right now this the one that um had the certificate compliance but also came back in last meeting for RDA RDA yes but this is in relation to the
um order of conditions that were given earlier okay so this is an enforcement order on the right order conditions uh not on the order of conditions so there's just an an enforcement order remove something REM and then there was
a a compliance order put against them to like stop taking down trees okay and then a planting plan needed to be submitted to us so this is um his planting plan that he has right now in the green highlighted this is the line of Evergreens he wants to put um right
here and then a line of Evergreens here the two arrows up here those are let me just try to enlarge those those are two stumps that he wants to remove in order for him to plant the the line of Evergreens right there and
as well down here there's three stumps that he wants to remove um again to to plant um those trees the replacement trees also down here there's a sale um
and he wants to put some fill in there and Seed it okay Evergreens is that does that mean our varieties is there a specific Evergreen usually isn't it like the the variety of plant the size of the plant
tends to be planted is he going to put in right or is he going to put in oh let me looking for have you been out there sa not for a while that needs to be in the plan because there has been people
not saying now but there has been people in the past that say oh we're going to put in trees and they bring you know something there is four five fet so that that just needs to be in the [Music] already I know I'm
sorry come over here and continue you're now but this is this isn't the same thing as the request for determination so he said whatever like the they discuss let me look I think he said Emerald something
specified that's what I ordered emerald green yeah 100 piece 100 pieces I those are nice so 45t T between is the s that they want to fill in is that serving a purpose right now I
was going to ask that too is there any running water in the sale do do you have you can show them picture oh so I take a pict from side here so like and it's a heel here so like you would have to be like build for the water to actually run and go
down the and then between the beachfield in the house yeah I mean yeah the neighb is it there to keep things from flood or Jerry would know better than me make a picture from the road but
anyways it have a small Fel and like is that a ra septic system or is that just yeah it is so I just want to make a level it a little bit what's the Lee field pipe right there probably right
here and does the sale is the intent of the sale to take the water away from that yes look even if the water gets in here it will go down cuz the road is already on the hill so all the water will go down here like where the drain is in the his driveway this way yeah sorry so like just this area right here
where there's a you know yeah it could be like filled I mean that's I think the SW is pretty much the property line is it not between your uphill neighbor it's almost the property nor it's here for reason usually take Sabrina you seen the
S and I mean I see the pictures and you can see it driving by I've never seen water flow from the street back there okay um no certainly not from but I don't know if it's an element now for the septic like you about F into the
street rather Street Road and that's just to level things off that's why you're filling it yeah yeah okay part the enforcement order the S is not no but he he wanted to mention he wanted
to ask if he could do that I think we should probably just stick to what's in the enforcement orders for tonight I mean that you have that's actually gives you a permit to do that right but as far as this whale goes I think that we have to come separately yeah there is no that's
putting Phil everything this yeah right on the 50 Foot buffer right right yeah I don't have a problem and that SW would I don't have a problem with the plantings but not having
the anything formal for the whale don't think we could make a decision inform decision what about the removal of the stumps is that is that okay is removing the stumps to plant the Le fields are
out by yank them or grind them whatever it takes right just to get them below grade system made and the two Ms are just oppos you have to get rid of yeah maybe we'll get just just enough to plant you
know what I mean like you know enough that to plant expensive to grind but you know yeah okay so here the two those are two yeah I mean if it's in the enforcement order and what they're there then say I agree I think
maybe just stick [Music] to's I wouldn't go beyond the scope AG anybody have a problem with removal of the stumes well like I asked you going to yank them or you going to gra well if they're going to plant trees they're going to have to yank them right I mean
or get below the grade how else can you do it Ro have to pull those roots out you can't you can't plant Once you pull those out probably the best way to do it I don't think you could plant around whatever works well I already asked him like can you can you just plant around
and he said no they're too close together one and a and cut at least like 8 in maybe 9 in well to cut the stump is different than to remove the stump no we're not going to remove we cut lower deeper yeah yeah so like to gr
gr you want to cut the stump not remove no not all right we were on clear so we're going to grind the stumps yeah so this way root they're going to cut down say REM remove without when you have stumps
there well the roof this one also says remove you need a good size hole for the ball is this to remove these trees before so that's going to spread out we need to do a side
visit so we can really see what's happening here okay for the swell ultimately we're going to need to go look yes so we might as well look at the scumps while we're there it all as a site visit makes sense
let's do a site visit then and he doesn't do anything till we see it right yeah well he's asking like when you guys think you can do it because he he ordered the pl so he could know coming on [Music]
Wednesday so you got today is still like plan time I can do it just about any day fre Thursday probably too late but okay it's up to everybody else Thursday good
Thursday I can make it during working hours but in afternoon evening I can suppos rain you make it during working hours on Thursday I'm not working [Music] anymore but I got other things you know
oh come on everybody's retired no no it's so true I never believed it yeah yeah got today tomorrow tomorrow I got something in the morning I'm free in the afternoon want to go in the afternoon we'll do it tomorrow I can do any
afternoon said for tomorrow tomorrow afternoon after afternoon afterno oh actually H supposed be nice yeah yeah yeah time I might be able to sneak away tomorrow to tell me you tell me I'm
free probably after like two Tuesday at two after two tomor tomorrow right tomorrow 2:30 2:30 230 2:30 it is all right 2:30 does that work for you guys y all right 19th fler Road okay so we have a site
visit Tuesday the 18th at 2:30 p.m. 19 Foster Road for coming in you okay all right one thing I forgot to
mention when I opened the meeting was that this meeting is recorded and if anybody else is recording it they need permission I gave Cliff CLK permission I was going to ask that question anything else on public comment
more coffee anybody online for public comment I do not see anything okay then we'll go we have um minutes we have two minutes to
approve yes I can find them can they have little sign me tags did you write the minutes I wrote the March thir the second very well done for the first time around okay I really didn't have to do
much was nice so we have the meetings for minutes for March 3 and the minutes from February 3rd let's do February 3rd first um I did do some updates on this one so just double check yeah we went over these at the
last meeting just a couple of things yeah I spelled Jerry's last name correctly instead of Patricia we caught it in time I did put in the um no intent numbers because we knew what they were
the time um I did go into detail for a few things I also put in the the conditions um what was that I can't remember that was it 91 coo wrote I think was missing the conditions
um and the vote on the conditions so I added that and then I added the signature page five both F from the bottom 1 BS
donation call Parker capitalized Parker okay anybody else find anything else excuse me we have a motion then I'll make a motion the minutes as
as amended and seconded by m m okay call vote j i Andy nor I unanimous vote we have the signature page
now we'll move on to March 3D meeting minutes no 166 per have on page one um but he asked to take down the Three Trees I thought one of the trees was sickly and we asked him to get an arbor ster I thought that's two of the trees
looked like they were okay they're going to keep them all and come back if they could get an arous to St SI yeah and then were they going to put in 12 birch trees and four service berries what's a service Berry is that like a
crunch Berry I don't know um it is the berries on the other ber it's it's it's a it's a bush that's really good for wildlife it's to service all right never heard such
a I don't neither I think there's a couple service time you hear me laugh over again service very good sign there like
full looking for some some to get anybody see anything else on 19 Foster R did we find a positive determination and wanted an ny on that last meeting
[Music] yes yeah okay the wording in there now yeah okay the any changes for this one or is it look good changes so far no changes so
far I asked her what she wants to do over this secretary good job anybody want to make a motion I'll move to accept the minutes March 3rd second my's got that's second
all in favor Jerry I and I Norm I sign for that go that be the signatures M okay next item on the agenda is an invitation to co-sponsor library event
exploring New England Prairie ecosystems May 28th have a letter from Lyn Blair director Southworth Public Library I'll read portions of that we'll be offering the following program in May please let us know if
you'd like to co-sponsor we're happy to handle the speaker fee but if you'd like to help advertise I'd greatly list the Conservation Commission as the on the poster as a co-sponsor exploring New England Prairie
ecosystems May 28th 6 PM is the title join us on a digital overview of the unique New England Prairie ecosystems at the Southwick Wildlife Management Area on South longard Road discover the
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Southward and Lyn Blair we interested in co-sponsoring absolutely I think it's a great opportunity good thing okay anybody want to make a motion to co-sponsor I'll make a motion to
co-sponsor and we have a second go ahead I'll second and Dennis roll call vote Jerry I Andy Den nor admitting an iPhone four uh oh let's hope it's you're ready to right
quick right right you want them to identify themselves okay all right okay next item review and sign negative determination 32 Hillside
Road negative oh right now I remember is it specified it's agriculturally exempt no is the Christmas just the work describe request is within the buffer
zone yeah um but will not alter areas subject to jurisdiction under the ACT therefore said work does not require a filing the notice of intend right this is the CH the new Christmas tree far yeah we already voted on it yeah last time we
did what's to review because we voted on it last time might be just the way that it's the negative determination is written up he might want to okay well maybe we didn't sign it oh you haven't signed it yet we're reviewing we're reviewing it now
and there is a place to put a condition on there if you want to just limit agricultural want to write something in there okay I think there we wanted to see the actual document erosion control will be in place everything
to that's negative here is under agricultural right so they can't they had a negative determination for whatever they want to do out there so what did you want to so there's a SP space here for conditions so uhhuh
I would put rosion control place before work starts okay all work shall comply with the agricultural exemption is this a log on with the Christmas Tre this is just for clean it out once they get to the planting the Christmas
trees and stuff hopefully they have a plan in place they wanted to clean the edge of the road they started doing the yeah right it's yeah that's funny they want to do it before ground thought out to yes that Mak sense before it gets mddy erosion control in place before
work starts and what's the other one kind all work shall comply with agricultural exemption okay that addition we need to vote on the additional order of conditions like can you vote to amend
the just standard procedure I think we have to vot on okay these are like order conditions in a special all right yeah this is an RDA next item is uh review and sign order of
conditions no review and sign positive determination 19 plus Place site visiting question right now I think we're going to be looking at it Tom do we find this positive under local
and the state but at the same time J he's got two different things going on he's got this determination and the violation of cutting down the trees tomorrow we were kind of handling the cutting down the trees but we can sort of look at this at the same time so we'll just address this the way it's
written then yeah and the other ones are separate right okay thank you were we going to ask him to put in some real trees instead of just arbores I mean I guess tomorrow we those
weren't Ares in the in the picture they showed us right those were all Ares they were more green Ares those are ever greens me back remember remember that guy that planted those this SP it would fit in with the rest of the roads on
Foster Road with the Evergreen right with Arbor so like in the back he took down tree trees the back the right side the north side along the driveway was definitely scrubby ugly looking whatever they were you know like Christmas tree sort
of variety we should think about that we get out there but the back left corner was definitely like Hardwoods arities there that's I mean certainly you can have the arities but does he want to toss in a few trees yeah but back to this
y the positive under state and local right name municipality subject to review so we check out both those boxes okay so that where
you technically you're supposed to take two votes on these to find them positive under local and under state in case it gets appealed but it would be nice if you guys did that so I knew which ones to check off nice reminder
[Music] do need to take a second vote oh you followed positive under state right yeah we should find a positive under local also
okay make that a motion make a motion you're exercis next time you have a second my corner he somebody in the middle that motion was to to check out
do local inform okay positive under the local bylaw okay POS sometimes it can be just under local bylaw sometimes be just under State this case it's both good okay so we have a motion in
second roll call vote Jerry I and nor am I unanimous okay we're probably going to take these two next items together I would assume we've got the review and sign order of conditions 166 Burkshire RAV and
Amendment request for 166 Burkshire r with the same notice of intent I'm G attempt to share my screen okay so at the last meeting I think uh there was some disconnect uh on our end
as to what the client was requesting and the I guess the different scenarios um there was concern at the site visit for three trees that are located in the northeast corner of the property in the backyard these three trees right
here our former proposal um we were asking for these trees to be removed and and as for mitigation for that we were proposing some additional plantings in the backyard um so my understanding that's not what was voted upon so uh
this revised plan the applicant has agreed to leave these trees as they are um in place and because of that he doesn't wish to plant any additional plantings um in the backyard so it's really just these uh couple trees on the
south side of the property um closer to the house that we looked at that would be removed that's that's the only change we're requesting just in regards to the tree plantings there a couple other trees on the near the house on the north side
we're coming down uh there's one here that's outside the buffer zone and then there's one uh this 18inch tree on the North side yes that one too did you write the order conditions
already for this Mara uh yeah I wrote them as you guys voted on and that's for the plant replant trees just as you guys Ved it's in the order conditions it is yep so Ryan the the intent now is to remove four trees two on the south side
and two on the North side but keep the three correct in the northeast corner correct yes but no new trees that's correct and if he does decide he wants to take
any of those trees down in the future he can go to an arborist and come back to the commission okay but I guess it's fair if he's not taking the trees down to just remove the replanting now would be the time to do it but still we're taking down four
trees and not replacing them but they're not in the buffer zone right those I think there's what three in the I think there's three [Music] in one on the North side and one on the North side but that's out of jurisdiction okay well I guess I would
like to see three trees new trees being put in inside the buffer zone and there specifications on the size of those trees and the order conditions no all yeah we just talked about erosion
control and a bond and then leaving the other trees there three oak trees requested by the applicant to remove are not to be removed with this order arm fencing is to be used as erosion control so those are the only additional conditions I put on there so there there aren't any our
replanting on here there might be I mean there is on the plan Ryan is there but not is there size of those um proposed plantings uh if you scroll up a little
bit for the White Birch and service Berry yeah on this plan this revised one I don't have that but let me just check the old one hold on okay what was approved where's the bond here right here does include a bond
10,000 the trees were to be 5 to 6 feet in height and the service Berry shrubs 2 to 3 feet in height should be added to the order conditions okay you want to add three trees is that what you want that's what
I'd prefer yeah anybody else have any than [Music] that so which trees they would little birch trees weren't they well there's yeah there's birch trees but there's also the service
Berry so you want the birch trees I would prefer the birch trees I don't know much about service Berry applicant requested birch trees if there were to be plantings they would prefer just a couple Birches okay five to six feet in height
sure is there any particular place where all within all within 50 50 foot i' like to make that a motion to change the what conditions to add that I'll second that
okay Lo call vote Jerry I Andy I I Dennis I Norm I unanimous vote is is that good Ryan with the applicant yep that's great thank you to uh do it twice but appreciate your time
thank you y absolutely anything anything else on on that uh the signature page is different so we can still sign it yeah that yeah okay all right thank you Gran okay thank you have a good night good night next item
is remove the two review the 2025 mowing contract for the shanoski land preserve I have a quotation here uh more Vining Community Garden area per occurrence
$100 last year it was 90 the year before it was 85 from the agult commiss no this is our land maintenance this is the mowing this is for the Garden area y it's it's off the fields not for the
fields no separate yep I'm I don't mind paying for but it seems like it should be coming out of the Agricultural commission they get a fee for the actually they used the mow it [Music]
too is that's a conversation that needs to Happ checked with the agricultural commission yeah I think we have been paying for the past couple of years it's in our budget well we take it out of land maintenance line it for no yeah there's no I think we should run it through po
they might have a volunteer Dan's been doing a lot he's got a nice tractor he's been doing lot out there L June after the nting period for the ground bird I don't know if there any just around
his the lawn area it's the okay it's the mountain flowers in too or do they right is that included in this or just the mowing I assume it's just the mowing I I don't know this was something that was just kind of carried over when I
[Music] started so could have come commission originally anyway so just double check today okay we'll carry this on the agenda and check with the ADV commission
okay now we'll move on to Old business update the master plan prioritization to the open space committee and the Conservation Commission okay I sent out an email on this and we have a quite a few
holes but we got something today from Jerry we got something today from Dennis procrastinators huh I sent you one too I'm going on slacker right
it's doing this homework I gotta study you gotta love spreadsheets got to make decisions so this is this is the summary of submitt before the ones that came in today more you got one for everybody
everybody CHR Chris is the one we got to get got everybody got one now hey I'm all done open space did I not do that one oh wait what I thought I did all of it I think you still have the open space ones to
do and I think you do too I didn't I don't think you did the lead once check it out do I have the spreadsheet is that one you should have that one of the tabs right yeah check it so in the top 13 Norm the total
didn't come out to what it was supposed to at the bottom it didn't no and there only 13 so it kind of has to correct you do it all right let mecier where the issue is and I'll get
back to you huh was [Music] too got plenty of time tonight tomorrow all right so if you need anything more from me on spreadsheet if you can't find a spreadsheet let me know
and I'll send you a new one no no more stand last every organization is struggling thank you for doing that Norman thank you Norman's doing a huge amount of thank
you I gotta find my agenda again I lost it right there it is okay northpond conserv Conservation Area task force recommendations from the select board discussion and assigned
tasks now you met with Chris and Chris would would have updated us tonight if he didn't have to go to the hospital today um that would be true he was going to update you tonight so I guess you're gonna do that next meeting okay some people use any excuse to get
out all right so we'll move on to the outfall at Bakers shore on South Pond can we back up a half a second nor do we want to do like the executive thing at the next meeting to discuss but we're not going to this open concerning the North
Pond what's that again the camera do we want to do the executive that at the next meeting since we didn't do it at this meeting but we started it the last talking about the need to go into executive on that one we did go into it a couple years ago
to talk about it initially then and then we didn't when we kind of decided that we Andy and I were going to pursue some other avenues and we haven't closed that because I'm not sure which way to go executive or non-executive but safest
thing we do have some input so whatever I don't see why you wouldn't just lay it out I mean it's no bargaining or anything that has to be done right it was a matter of speaking for others and having their names on
record so okay we were reluctant to do that so okay understand um um I'll have to look up which executive excuse that is I was just going to say that I qualifies
for go I don't care so that's an may not be a big deal but because the because the issue is still open we never closed the minutes on the executive session which by law we have to do s you never closed the minutes because because it wasn't it was
it remained open it was just a discussion at that point you didn't close the we close the meeting we closed the executive session yeah but we didn't close the subject the issue is oh oh right yeah yeah it's ongo so you have to
do minutes for that you'll check with the call and then find out what the proper procedure is you do that yeah okay all right so now we're back on Baker Shores Road Griffin Road domination of the
two now what was this sorry this is the the illegal storm drain that was put in running into the lake yes on our property done by the DPW in Southfield
on of huh I discussed that with Chris as well or you can wait for him well we were concerned that we had to take action but we don't because they're still working on a maintenance plan right that is done there is a an
agreement between them that's done there is a right of way with the property owner that is on it is the the other step is for them to come to you with their design work their engineering and whatever perms they may have had future
review as you would anybody out so we need to write stuff of a letter saying that that needs to happen yeah you need to tell them you know about it and invite them to disc discuss it with you for review okay and then take whatever action you
have to take okay well they could file after the facts yeah yeah yeah did the two DP does get in touch with each other like we said they should or I believe they did okay but it's a conservation issue not the DPW that that part yeah yeah you're
right yeah absolutely I just thought do we want to invite member of the Conservation Commission from SE field [Music] so conom member and I assume that the first Selectmen would come DP DP DPW and
conservation if they wanted to okay I can notify Conservation Commission in S I can send a letter to like an official letter to go is he the who's col col Colin is the
first select one well DP their DPW and their um Conservation Commission and then CC Colin all three of them I can send a letter to all three of
them well what you want the it's not mandatory to the Conservation Commission be there it's just that now that we have a working agreement with them I would like to invite them if they
choose to show up yeah because I don't know whether they approved the storm drain initially I did try to check their minutes but they they don't they don't go back so far we would send a letter to
the DPW to notify them that we want to work with them to pretty much send the compliance whatever whatever permitting is yes right and CC calling would be good okay and we'll do that for the next
meeting sure good I'm gonna try for the next meeting yeah which is April 7 yeah I'll try to get that out okay so we'll do that next meeting okay next item is request from
Lake management to resolve the dock issues in 129 Lake Avenue North Lake Avenue and we ask for assistance from the solicitor or count Town Council on how to handle Lily way yeah and I
believe we have something yeah we have something um let me just try to find the old map Drive Hors map and will share my
screen okay try to zoom in okay um here is an map from 1915 this is the original subdivision of
bungalow Heights um over here over here we have linkbot Street Bungalow Street and I assume maybe UPS actually I don't know which street that is but what's important is Lily
Drive so we're over here we have Lily Drive and then we have all of these essentially Butters a but and Lily Drive Lily SP the two eles down here we have uh what's labeled as reservation this
was the reservation Beach Association um so the reservation Beach Association at the time owned the beach they also owned the roads when the association was dismantled they transferred their rights to the town so
that beach kind of still lives now let me try to find um our cessor map Beach people had used it as a public beach for many years yeah until somebody
decided that they owned it and they don't it still attends it is yes it never never transferred over so you can see it oops as that little the bump 60
right here so that was reservation Beach so there's two things going on right now now as far as the derel fee statute and I'm going to butcher this I'm not a lawyer but the derel Fe statue
basically means on a on a paper Street like this it's it's only alive on paper um the neighbors that have bought the property have some sort of Maintenance rights up
to the center of the property if there's an abutter on the other side so there isn't technically really an abutter on the other side it is a body of water so that means that they have rights up to the water and that would be essentially all of these
however the one or two properties that don't necessarily have that it looks like 48 and 59 48 though I believe has those rights halfway where am I because
I'm going to go back to the old map which was here so this is 48 um 81 82 83 and 84 you can kind of see the measurements we've got 1565 3565
357 and I believe that's 2531 let me just go back to the other map so that's that same property right here um so technically in front of the G one all
done yeah I think I think that's what it was I mean these lots are really really tiny and some of them it's not realistic especially for the these are full-time homes now they used to be only summer little Cottages super tiny and things that built up over time and I'm sure
maybe you know over time people acquired more than one BL and open Bluffs the way it was originally chopped up right I mean if you been down there with the little tiny slivers in the houses now on the on the first chart
yeah I'll go back to it did it did it say did I see something there it said it was two and two two and A2 ft wide bully drive right here so 25 that might be 25 25 25 ft so um
interesting that um Mark had said it's possible that there's more beach now than there was in the past according to their assessors map which is not 100% correct it's a drawing um it looks like there's more
beach now and he says the current Lily Drive is possibly bigger than it was in 1950 somehow [Music] um so I think just to re reiterate what I said those who have bought Lily Drive or
akk lily drive with two L's um where there's no beach between Lily Drive and L konga and they have rights to the water via the derel fee statue those who but where a beach is present the deric field statute does not apply the remaining Beach area however is
considered town-owned and therefore the rights do not go all the way to the water's edge they go to the center point of Lily way however if we choose um residents May erect a dock so long as it does not interfere with the Public's access to use that beach
and then he suggested to install um docks below the low water mark via unts oh there's a gate up there isn't there they put a gate up to stop people from using that so was that beach marked off at all
right here yeah I mean right now if you were to go to it is it is there something that says this is a beach no they they used it for years as a public beach and then some people bought the house and they put a gate up there and stopped people from accessing it technically aial you know and the gate
you're talking about is that like right right here that Gates down by the water down by the water time way wa on Lily way maybe like right where it cross is right there but yeah I mean does the town own the
beach technically Tech said the town owns the beach and the town owns part of Lily way so what does the town want to do about it that would be the next question one of my earlier conversations with the assessor was
that she had the opinion that Lily Way was was just extremely narrow strip of land 2 to 3 feet not 25 not 20 it says 25 right now yeah and it's probably wider now it might have started out 25 and then little by little got little
fill came in yeah and so it's interesting because they use like the high water mark as an indicator where the where the property ends in some of these places so it's always shifting that's why it's always finicky by the
water do they have an association of any type there all those houses I believe they do one section has it the one up here the most northern one this one right here yeah and I believe their access has been cut off also there's a shed right in the middle of
their right away to get to the water there there two ACC two accesses for the yeah there's one in between the houses right there between 77 and 78 that's one oh that little strip right there and
then there's another one North Lake going right here where my mouse is I think so and there's a shed right in the middle of that [Music] oops see some fencing up on the top
there I know there up here up in that little yeah okay so let's this one did I hear that they can have a dock ah yeah I think you hear right yeah okay if they don't if they don't
uh prohibit other people from using it but they are it is being prohibited we're talking about the reservation area yeah this is the reservation area that's supposed to be for public use not for private use one person is using it and excluding everybody else from yeah but how did
that happen right there's actually a dock in there on Google Maps it on the beach that's 51 or 52 green spat is that reservation piece yeah that's that's um he's got Johnson a
plus he got the Der road so actually does own right to the water yeah that's one of the people that actually got the Der Ro implemented for his property um let me just go back to the old map so I can understand I think this is bigger
than conservation at this point um are you talking about the 58 right here is okay yeah 108 so yeah he comes in every year for varience
yeah I think this have to go a little bit higher level than who would handle that we have to establish ownership or stewardship I think would have to get involved with this one I mean it's Town property it's
conservation doesn't own it you know they it's something hasn't been resolved in many years and nice get that cleared up is it your issue at 129 now and and this little beach and uh
that's what originated the conversation well yeah 129 is is illegal docks that the D needs to hand with we have no jurisdiction because they can't apply under local permitting and they've had docks out there we don't I guess we did
permit them for the never gave them a permit right so we we can force them to remove those stocks we can't the DP can we're that's we don't we have control the local permitting they're not under
local permitting are they chapter 91 they they get a they get a sticker they shouldn't get a sticker well they have got yeah they shouldn't have a sticker we all all agreed on that right well they shouldn't get a sticker
because they're in violation of the 600 square ft right because they can't they don't uh conform to local permitting program standards they would have to go to the state and the state is supposed to do enforcement when they have illegal dock
out there that's been we're talking to chrisy about that right isn't that been on her plate for quite a while now from the state chapter 91 not on not on this issue what we did we did the research
and they originally applied for a chapter 91 license and it was never granted they said they believe they were in non-compliance and they they asked for additional information and they the desart family never came back additional
inform put the they had the tax out there anyway so it's so it's listed under d as as withdrawn the application is withdrawn right but they have docs out there and the D never did anything about
it it's it's their ball of wax I it's chapter 9 it's it's up to them to do something I mean that obvious that it's out of our hands do you we just do we're just doing local permitting we're not doing chapter 91 def a chapter 91 they
don't have a chapter 91 license they should they're in violation of the lp program no they're in violation of chapter 91 because they can't get an lpp license they're not in violation because they can't get one they're in violation of chapter 91 because they could get one
if they appli for it correctly aren't they in violation of lpp just by having a dock that isn't permitted you have a do that's not permanent get it out of the water they're going to apply for the chapter right and have it in the water
but since they don't have a permit anywhere they're in violation of the lpp because they don't have an lpp permit they don't have a sticker check it out they could go around the lpp by going to the state I that's I think that's what
happened so I think you do have jurisdiction because they don't have a sticker you have a dock without a sticker take it out and we won't give them a sticker because it's greater than 600 square F feet they show us can't the sticker
right right but if they showed us a piece of paper from the state that says we don't need a sticker right okay but they don't have that piece of paper and they don't have a sticker please take the doc out so we're not issuing them a sticker this
year right okay make sure that doesn't happen right but they could get around it if they went to the state and finished the project they start they should go finish the application right put in so they can fix the problem but they
have a problem think they would listed a lot more UC State than Conservation Commission right we've been H for years and [Music] anyway why don't we send a letter to
Chrissy pops describing the issue here and ask her if she'll take action on this it did when it came to murf stock when murf had a problem and the neighbors they were having the battle
and inv with that so they worked out and if they continue to take no action does the town have the obligation to have them remove the docks that would be something that Chrissy would want to say if you don't do this the town is obligated to have
you remove those docks so do on the Harbor Master at that point be reasonable to other people people that don't have huge docks it's unreasonable to let this guy have huge docks if he doesn't do the proper process I want a huge dock but I can't
have one right you want a huge do anyone wants a big dock I mean these docks are in before the local permitting process was ever implemented right oh sure that one so they exist nonconforming but I don't know if anything can be
grandfathered mine was in in the 70s and I still had to conform because local permitting is limited if if they say I'm going Beyond you I'm going to go to chter 91 then we go okay and we step back that's and then
they have to get that some people are doing now they're in limbo and yet they still putting their docks out so that becomes harber Master DP so we just have to inform those people that sense of history and say Here's
Where We Are with this um now it's yours who was the policeing agency here would it be I mean we weren't even really sure that they didn't have a chapter 91 permit originally because they did have paperwork for and the D was so LAX on
their paperwork we couldn't tell if they were right or wrong because they didn't know yeah who was chapter 91 or not so well there's a pretty good record now so but yeah I think dorm's right I got touch with Chrissy see if the state would get
involved with it and if not with the town the local permitting to new okay now we want to ask for help on the blocking
of access to to land yeah yeah and area no wonder nobody every wants to get involv with this it seems complicated and you know but it' be nice to get it all straight As the decades go by you know harder to manage
it seasonally it comes up seasonally yes every year that's the issue so the question is who's the right body I guess maybe we can get some guidance from Chrissy hops you know it's a it's a great pond
in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts but the little the little Drive issue has nothing to do with a state I don't think so being it's on the pond yeah regardless of who's adjacent to it we have priors where we informed them
before and we have account like would you say this time letting you guys know or something well we years and years ago we let them know that they needed to go get the chapter 91 right we Mo back or something like that on it even though it
exceed certain perid you can get exceptions to that so they could actually get that yeah through the state yeah that's all they would have to show us an exemption
something from the state the Commonwealth yeah and we say fine that's good enough for us just hoping that we pointed and forget it but like Andy said you know why should he have a big the next guy can't so there's two separate issues here right Norm one is with
the the docks and the other one is with the right away yeah I'm trying I'm struggling with who's who can help us with the right away way problem is it the S board I think it's going to have to ultimately go to the select board and find out if
they want to give up their rights to the property or if they want it's got to be formal you know it can't be just well they can use it and someone who can use it soone so can't I mean we have always said that you know people could put a dock out there if it
doesn't infringe on somebody else's rights but if you've got a gate up there and you don't anybody on the property then that's definely infring on public access preventing it public access typically any right
away should have Public Access that's the way it's written maybe a sign that says that says Public Access we need to get some legal opinions on this before yeah right yeah
right and you get traffic problems and stuff and then you get like you know do you think the select Bo would accept this if we tried to transfer it to him have to put it on our agenda okay
ask for an appointment to describe the situation okay would it be helpful if we did a site visit on this one let us not on the dock is she on the know exactly where the fence is
where that where they we could come down through the U the rotary up there North Pond you I think that's what we did last time right sh off it was the issue with the topal yeah and we had to go look at that
I mean you should be able to go right down from North Lake AV through the between those houses see that fire gate there it's like a fire gate right like you see on a fire lane Federal because it was getting some erosion people were driving there now the tow path is
different than willly drive right right right on top of that yeah right there's that there too but I mean yeah we could probably days are getting longer tomorrow's ni we could go from one to the other one get them both done if you want so where
where so 19 19 f Road at 2:30 right I yeah but then afterwards and then afterwards go Northbound road with the big rotary is there the association um sorry you can't see one
where do we park I'm not sure you pull up a map and show us where to be if you go up North Pond the to of it's all trees on the right you come into the culdesac my screen so you guys can see it so here's North Pawn
Road on that c and walk down that's North Pond Road this side's all trees M so park in the cue yeah can we go down there walk down is there a path that's legal for us to go down yeah so we can do that is that
the Home Owners Association is that a guy's yard no it's public land okay yeah yeah we don't want anybody supposed to be when this when this house was built there's like a 20 foot high stone wall here to get the grades correct it's
pretty wild and that's North Lake G North North Pawn Road my is up over here and we used to walk through the woods and come down and use that beach and even back then in the mid 90s these people would yell out of the set was private property yeah it's
like I don't think so that's what you know you don't want to upset anybody or get shot at so you know that's why I ask so now we're great friends yeah we parking a camp just going to be there what does the what does the little icon
say who owns that Land North pwn views homeowners all right they have we need their permission to go in that's Mark G yeah they they have an HOA over there y yeah they have docks down at the end
of Association but yeah I'm sure he wouldn't mind just going down there the the town has access anyway the town has the okay all right so after we do 19 Foster
we'll just go over here and down there see what we can see years ago that wasn't North Pond View Homeowners Association that was somehow Tom property yeah that was the to half and somehow legal battle got all these things north end up with that
piece of property sometimes things get transer that happened in our new there was a right away that used to be part of Shore Road that was assigned to the Kong South Pound Association 1850 Battle of the copack H got access they're allowed to
use it couple other people have access to it right a couple people didn't get access to it and Bo if Lumber okay Lumber like they shouldn't have
certain pressure treated and stuff like that we got anyway yeah okay next 56 Sunnyside Road possible unpermitted work and alteration to Resource area any update on that no update dead tree on North Pond conservation property any
update on that you sent a letter he didn't respond and D that's looking into it and then I just need to contact D but they're trying to move forward they kind of moved forward a little bit I just don't know what they're doing on their end um and we're
we were playing phone tag a little bit a couple months ago and I just haven't I just Trail right that was the one is that is that the sun side no that's across this is across the street the one that was right this was across stre 56
on side made like a big parking lot in the woods yeah right next to the they like a little little bulldozer cat there and there's a couple of trailers caner boat and that yeah that's the one that I couldn't get a hold of via letter um I kept getting letters back
saying undeliverable and then um I told D I didn't have enough time to handle it so they took it up R Tree and North Pond no update no update propos amendments to the local permitting program there were two suggestions one came from the select
board and our an our request and we had a meeting with Chrissy hops Friday Friday and she has agreed to make both modifications but also brought the
document up to today's standards and they made another red line all the red lineing oh boy which which we we need to present to us and LMC for approval but but the the no renting of docks on residential docks is now in there and
the disability request from oh that's in there too the variance for disability is is is now under our as okay but she's going to forward the documents to us we
don't have any yeah yeah so more to come but progress yeah yeah okay report on the Suffield presentation of the lpp follow-up contract um that's in place signed by
both parties and we can now remove that from this particular agenda for the future which one the report from Suffield presentation and LP F yeah all right nice and the next item report from sill Conservation Commission meeting uh I
presented the new lpp contract to the conservation in subfield and uh highlighted number two statement on that that it says both both parties can have a representative attend conservation
meetings meetings and be allowed to speak right and we talked about that at the meeting and I will be allowed to speak during the yeah during the actual discussion so that be good progress yeah
so we can take that one off too no no I keep that one on sorry last item Noble Steed subdivision 29228 request for extension order conditions and project date any updates
no no updates there yes 10 minutes yeah and Road look down I start left oh [Music] but the neighbor getting
rest but the neighborhood is just anybody else are we going to do anything for U cleanup this year Greening clean or Earth anything like that there's rail trail clean up coming up is there what is it there's a rail trail clean up is
there yeah yeah I know the land keep doing um Another Roadside clean up April April I think yeah April 26th I got have the rail truck
up yeah we want to partner up with them and part of clean I thought somebody came in and chatted with us that's how I have it on my calendar she was 26 wasn't that the friends of RA CH
mentioned that last last me yeah I participated [Music] last I might have that art know there's something on the 26 yeah last year we waited too long
that was the problem that's what I'm thinking about it now yeah we went the side of the roads had grown so much you couldn't see a lot of the you were trying to pick up birthdays on the 22nd the AR shows on in 25th and 267
let us know if we maybe maybe get the interest in it try to put something together something all right anything else anybody got make a motion to we have a second second all right Jerry
seconded no how do we vote Andy I I I we are closed officially at 8:22 we're signing off