Being that it's 700 pm on November 17th, I'm going to call the Southwest Conservation Commission meeting to order. Conference room 3 in town hall. It's a hybrid meeting both zoom and in person. Let's open with taking attendance
starting with >> Chris Pratt, Dennis Clark, >> Norm Chver, >> Jerry Patrio. So note that we have a quarum. Any public comments for anybody in the audience? I don't see any. Do we have
anybody online? >> Michelle. >> Michelle. >> Oh, Michelle. >> Hi. >> Michelle Pratt, 152 Bergkshire. Uh, yeah. I just I was um just wanting
to make a comment. I didn't see it on the agenda tonight, but um 159 Berkshire A has been a topic that's been addressed um numerous times in the past by the commission and um I've noted in the last
couple of weeks that there's been activity on the property again over down um by where like there's a dam that's been built. And so that concerns me because obviously I'm worried about uh anything going on there that may affect
the lake where it runs through the covert uh down to Middle Pond. Um I know there was a cease and desist that had been ordered and I just want to make sure that all the pieces are in place. The last communication that I had seen
was that um the engineer or Mr. Pale was going to be uh conducting the work that's going to be happening over there and that it was his job to make sure that uh you know things were happening the way that they're supposed to happen.
And that concerns me because I've seen a GoFundMe account that was set up by his father uh and it is set up to benefit himself and also Mr. Alderelli. And to me, it's
extremely deceptive. I don't know if uh members of the conservation commission have had a chance to read it or not, but the claim that's being made is that the town asked Mr. Baldelli to perform work to form a retention pond for runoff from
the golf course and other things that were done improperly. And the town asked him to voluntarily conduct this work there. um and then suddenly put a cease and desist on the work and is uh giving
fines that have caused Mr. Baldelli uh a crisis for himself mentally, physically, and uh financially. Um and so I mean I feel like that's a really big claim for the town. And then they also are are saying that um to give
the money to this account so that you can protect Kangaman Lake and how important and treasured Kangaman Lakes are and uh that people should contribute to this and people have contributed to that and I've seen um local residents and things like that that have given money towards it. Uh so I have a lot of
concern about the fact that that's happening. I know there's there are some new players uh in terms of town officials that are involved within this and I guess you know I don't know what the role the conservation commission has or doesn't have in what's happening now
but I just want people to be aware um you know of of of the people that are that are working there and what's been going on and I've I've watched that property uh trees being cut down there and being essentially strip mined and um
you know truckload loads of of dirt and sand and lom being taken out over I don't know the year but probably since 2016 or 17 you can go on Google maps and you know look at it over the years uh that that had been happening over there
and so you know I feel like it was over I don't know how many acres that it's happened with but not appropriate for residential land and so lots of concerns there and I think I've taken up too much your time already so um just want to be sure the commission's aware of
Thank you, Michelle. Thank you. Anybody else online? Okay. So, let's go to our first notice of intent. I'll read the
call of the meeting. 617. The Southwood Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and South Conservation Commission regulations and bylaw chapter
182 and chapter 450 for notice of intent. Project location is 6 South Lumis Street South Mass 129 parcel 021. The applicant proposes the construction of three single family homes associated
driveways and storm water infrastructure with portions taking place within the bordering vegetated wetland buffer zone and bank of an intermittent stream. The meeting will be held November 17, 2025 by a hybrid meeting at 7:05 p.m. in
Southwood Town Hall and on Zoom. So we will open the public hearing to the petitioner of the representative. >> Sure. Hello everyone. Uh for the record, Ryan Nelson from Arloca Associates. Um I'll just go over briefly the existing conditions of the property. Um so we
have uh one contiguous property right now. There's a single family home located on the property, some sheds out back. Currently the driveway is accessed right over here. You can see this existing hatch kind of a informal dirt
gravel driveway going through some large pine trees out front. Um if you remember our project across the street we did a septic repair on Lumis Street across the way. Um so there were wetlands that were delineated there. Um those in part a 100 foot buffer zone onto part of the
property where some of the driveway works occurring. Um we have another wetland system located. This is higher elevation. And then we have a intermittent stream that flows through the property um originating from a pond up off site over
here. And there's some fringe BVW alongside uh that intermittent stream state line with Graanby is right here that town line. Um so the applicant's looking to create three additional lots on the property. So, this lot right
here, estate lot B would have the existing house. Um, and then three other lots would be created. A frontage lot right here, proposed lot two, another estate lot, state lot A back here, and then lot one would be here. Um, so for
jurisdictional work, we have a portion of the proposed driveway located within the buffer zone here. Uh, there will be a storm water basin. There's a stormwater management system proposed for the project. It triggers the uh town storm water management bylaw, not the
state mass DP storm water regs because we're creating three lots. Um the state storm water standards kick in with four lots or more. Um so this is subject to just the the town's storm water management bylaw. Um
there's going to be a common driveway located here that's within the buffer zone. We've tried to keep all work outside the 50 foot buffer zone. I believe we have with the exception of a little sliver right here and that's necessary in order to get um braiding
and to provide a filar swale alongside that driveway. So there's just a very minimal, you know, I'd say under 100 square feet probably of disturbance within the 50 foot buffer zone there. But the remainder of the project, we've
kept everything out of the 50. So, um, property's highest in elevation up here to back. So, this proposed driveway would be ascending. Um, it would branch off to this lot for the driveway and then continue to the estate lot. Uh, we've done perk testing on all the lots
for septic systems. You can see their schematic locations are shown here. We don't have full septic designs just yet, but we've roughed them out, so they should should be feasible and work in those locations. Um, for storm water, we
have runoff from the driveway and the houses going to swailes alongside the driveway. Um those will be collected at low points within swailes by yard drains and then routed by piping and surface
swailes to a bio retention area located at the lowest corner of the property. Um that's been designed to handle to be 100year storm event with an overflow to the south that would uh drain to the stream similar to current conditions.
So, um really there's not a whole lot of site grading um in terms of storm water management. It's really just limited to these swailes kind of parallel to the work routing water across these driveways to the basin
there. Um there will be some sight grading required around these houses. As you can see the existing contours, there is a pretty decent slope up on that hole. Um whereas this house down here is on pretty flat level ground. But like I said, most of this work is
outside the buffer zone. Uh this house is outside the buffer zone. That house was outside the buffer zone. It's just the septic and some of the entry driveway. Um so I think yeah, we have a bunch of details on our
fire retention area. There was a storm water drainage report submitted with that. Uh we're concurrently under planning board review. A meeting hasn't been scheduled yet. Um and then we're also waiting storm water review which I've been told uh likely will go out to
peer review. So I think >> have to get a special permit for the county driveway. >> Yes. The estate plots. Yeah. >> How many acres is the entire parcel? >> Um that's Yeah, it is on here. 16.75 acres.
>> Yeah. >> So 16 acres or four houses cuz there's already one on there. >> Correct. So yep. Three new houses, one existing. You delineated that earlier in the year. >> Uh I believe last year, maybe even the
year before, fuzzy. Uh January of 2024. It was during no snow uh thawed ground conditions and we did the test pits July of last year, I believe. >> Is there a on that property, too? Yeah, there's there was a whole bunch of
outdoor storage stuff. There was like >> tractor trailers, just the trailer part of the truck, you know, used for storage and there was stuff all over the place. I haven't been by there um recently, so I don't know if they've cleaned up things, but um yeah, there's a shed and a barn located back here. There's
another one right here. Other questions, concerns? >> The existing house going to stay as is. No work done to that >> currently. Yes. >> What sort of the what sort of material is going to be driveway?
>> Um, this one's going to be paved and uh they're both going to be paved, actually. What's the long-term implications of this lot at the bottom? Taking the water from a lot above it. I fixed some point.
Can you push back on that? >> Um, so it will be a constructed storm water basin. Um, so it will have a long-term operation and maintenance plan. Um, so it will be maintained. We do have plantings proposed within it. So obviously those have to stay. those
can't be cut. But aside from that, you know, the BMS and the side slopes would be um mowed on a some sort of periodic basis to make sure it's not getting overgrown with brush that inhibits its capacity to work. U so if it's
maintained properly, it shouldn't expand or >> But there's that on this guy to pony up the money to maintain the basins that the guys above them are putting the water into. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What's the what's the privilege there of me owning the down slope and
him owning the ups slope and me not wanting his water in >> because it's not a subdivision. It doesn't follow those kind of rules. Everybody's going to own their >> they'd have I would assume that there would be some sort of drainage easement as part of the planning board process that >> dictates who's maintaining what and
where. >> Driveways too. They probably have to have some kind of some sort of shared >> right. It's a common driveway. >> You know, my water's on your property. >> So, how's the water going to get across the driveway? Is there going to be a covert?
>> Yes. Uh, so there's a yard drain right here that conveys it underneath. Uh, inlet of that is 399.3 and the outlet is 395.8. So, you're about 3 and 1/2 ft lower. Um, and then same thing, another cross cover
culvert for this driveway. Um, and that actually goes subsurface to here underneath the driveway. Now, it's at that basin. >> Jim, what about the wire that's coming across through here? Is that >> Um, so there's a swale that's going to be created on the uphill side of this
driveway. >> Come all the way around that. >> Right. So, it's going to come all the way around like this, hit the yard drain, go under the driveway to the basin. >> Right. Yeah. >> Sabrina, have you had a chance to take a good look at this >> like a site visit? No, I'm the entirety of the plan and everything. I wouldn't
mind having a little more time to look at it. >> We still have to put >> I don't see any problems at this point, but >> and there are going there they still need to be reviewed by planning. >> Yeah. So, >> I think there was already wasn't there five lots for this parcel at one point.
>> What >> proposed to the board? maybe someone previous, but I don't think we did. >> I think they lowered it to four >> um recently. >> I I guess my my question would be the
sequence. Um and then so we would treat this sort of like any other subdivision. And I assume
and which one? So we do partial partial certificates of compliance or some of them, >> right? And so this probably would end up being the same or we would >> right. So con for like a conventional subdivision, say the grains of South, we did an NOI for the roadway itself and
the drain storm water drainage and then each indiv individual house lot was a separate NOI. Um, in this case, I don't think it makes sense to approach it that way because you have grading that's kind of shared across the parcels. >> So, if one person doesn't complete the
project per their permit, it affects others. So, I think it would be better leverage um for the town to do it all at once. >> That's kind of what I was thinking that the driveway should go in so you can do the whole entirety of it. So, >> but this work properly. This does fall
under subdivision as far as conservation, right, Sabrina? They have a different definition of subdivision than the planning board does. >> I didn't know we had a definition for subdivision for gong, >> right? >> So, under the state regulations, a
subdivision for storm water purposes is four lots or more. Um, but it does say for other purposes like a 401 water quality, if you're filling wetlands, it's creation of one lot. But we're not doing filling any wetlands. So, um
I don't know if it wouldn't trigger town subdivision standards. It's an estate law special permit process. Um but regardless, we we're meeting the storm water standard. So whether it met D definition or not kind of a mute point
because >> it's it's subdivided. It's divided or subdivided. Yeah. I don't know what difference it would make to us. that we give it give it a good look at and if we have any comments we'll sure >> definitely get to you let you know. >> Yeah, happy to do a site visit too
before >> we probably should do a site visit but I I do have another question. So you said this created three lots, >> three new lots. >> Three. So So the storm water threshold is to create four new lots.
>> Correct. Four. The way the mass D regs are written is the creation of four residential units real. So one's existing. >> That's why that's a mistake. >> Four residential. >> Well, next year when I >> tell you it down re
um do you guys want to do a site visit and have a look? >> Yes, I think we should do a site visit. >> Well, now that it's dark all the time, when do you want to do it? Yeah, right. >> April sounds good.
>> Now that we're in the dead of winter, >> um, >> dark sun sets at 420 something now, right? >> Yeah. I think it was on 4:00. >> Be kind of intrigued to know how the long-term maintenance of that like the financial like the pipes running through this
property service that guy. >> Yeah. >> So, these pipes collapse on his property. >> Is it going to be like an HOA? Does that guy have to pay the whole price for common drive? >> That's why they do the subdivision thing, but they can skirt it in this in this instance because there's only three, right?
>> Common drives. Believe one of the requirements for the pling world special permit is you have to submit like a draft operating agreement or some sort of easement agreement that hashes all those things out. Who's responsible for >> three is the limit for common driveway? Is that >> two?
>> Two. >> I think it's two. >> Yeah, bylaw. I think it's Yeah, we got it passed only for two though, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, because there was that issue on the same >> No, it was on wart binding where there
was that third lot that >> the guy couldn't build a house because of the building too. >> Um, >> yeah, you better check on that cuz when it was passed it was definitely two. >> It was two, but this is only two. >> It's only servicing two. existing one.
>> It's got the driveway like a right turn up there, but it's a swag. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, who wants to go on the site visit? >> Do I do? >> I do. >> Okay. >> We get an ATV ride.
>> Do we get an ATV ride? >> Happened to our last driving. >> Oh my god. remember that almost killed us at golf course. True. >> So, we got Andy and Norm. Does anyone else want to go on the site visit? >> When is it?
>> Well, that's why I'm asking. So, then >> um >> Cherry Ros, >> but Chris, you don't >> TV, too. >> Yeah, unless we do a Unless we do like a Saturday or something. So, we're Chris is out >> way every weekend. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, that's true. Chris is out out. Um, >> it's during the day >> during Yeah, we can do it during the day. Ryan, when when >> anytime this Friday I can't be available. Doesn't matter.
>> Okay. >> Next week would probably be best if possible. The short week too. >> You realize Thanksgiving after Thanksgiving to walk it off for dinner. >> Turkey walk. Um, >> Monday, Tuesday.
>> Yeah, I want to do Monday. >> What's the date on that? >> That's the 24th. >> A week from today? >> Yes. >> Works for me. >> At what time? >> Well, we were better committed flexible
for me. >> You know me. You said the earlier the better for you. What time is that would that be? >> What time do you guys make it? >> I can make it almost any time. 10 o'clock. But too early, too late. >> It's good.
>> 10 o'clock. >> Monday. >> Sure. It's half over by then, but I'll go. >> Yeah. >> Some of us are just getting up. >> Okay. >> Um Yeah. Looks like >> it's going to be up to 50 that day
apparently. >> Oh, I see. >> And the wetland flags are still up. >> Oh, yes. And we'll make sure they are if they're not. >> Okay. >> Is it helpful if anything in particular the commission wanted staked out or >> the house lots? I guess. Yeah.
>> Where the houses are going? >> Well, when the houses are going all outside of the jurisdictional areas, but you still want the house lots. Are the swailes already built or are there like indentations now? >> No. >> So you'd have to build them. >> Just an idea where that's going to flow.
>> Sure. Okay. >> So the driveways within the outer 50 aside from the slivers >> driveway the fault >> in the set feed system. You said one of them just barely touches the 50ft buffer. >> Is that Yes. Right here.
>> That include the leech field too or is it >> Yes. That's the grading as well. So, it's just a little piece of it that hits it. >> Uh, it stays out of it right here. Um, but the driveway going in just brushes inside the right here. >> Yeah. >> All septics are outside the 50.
>> Okay. Good. >> Okay. >> Uh, what kind of footwear do we need? >> Um, just regular outdoor boots. It's not mucky anywhere. It's all mostly uplands. It's not brushy. It's easy to walk. So, >> is it? Yeah. Okay,
good. >> Okay, so we'll want to continue this to our next meeting, >> which is December 1st. >> Make a motion to continue. >> Motion to accept the continuence. >> I'll second it.
Just made the motion. Move the second roll call vote. >> Chris Pratt I. Andy I >> Jerry I >> name is flo going to December 4th the street address
for that's like one south or something >> I think it's still thick >> it's right on the border right >> yeah right before >> right before you get to Branby on the left going south >> right >> across the street is three
>> I think Yes. >> So I just handed him um request for continuation of that's the what's on the board going through. Okay. >> Thank you Ryan. Yep. Thank you.
>> Next item on the agenda is another public hearing. NRI the notice self conservation commission will hold a public hearing on your protection act 130 section 30 and the sulfur conservation commission
regulations in bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for notice of intent via hybrid veining zoom in person. Project location is 112 Sunnyside Road, South Glass, map 7, parcel 19. The applicant
proposes the construction of a single family dwelling with associated site improvements. The portion of the proposed work are within the buffer zone. The meeting will be held on November 17, 2025 via hybrid starting at 7:05
and we will now officially open this to the petitioner representative. >> Sure. For the record, Ryan Nelson from Arlobe Associates again. Um, some of you might remember this lot. It was part of three lots that were created land that used to be owned by Banish and then Cud
owned them. Uh, there's a house built on one of these lots, I believe. 108 Sunnyside Road. Uh these two lots are undeveloped. 112 was the estate lot that goes to a field at the rear of the property. There was a crossing that was built uh through a wetland. That
crossing work was done under a previous permit, was given a partial COC a couple years back. Um the NOI for the project um got repered a couple times since, but expired. Um property was put up for
sale. the prospective buyer, Dominic Blad, um is proposing to put a house in the rear. So, they're going to be utilizing generally the existing farm access route. Um it's not well defined right now, so there will be some improvements that need to be made to
that driveway, a gravel driveway. >> Um some grading will have to occur off the road to ensure there's a passable slope um at the junction of Sunnyside Road. Um, so all of that will take place within the existing field. There's no
tree clearing required for that. So fence will be installed on both sides to keep the disturbance and any sedimentation from going into the adjacent wetlands. Um, the wetland flagging has been refreshed. Um, it's consistent with the previous permits. I
was out there this summer checking that. Um, the crossings in in good shape. Nothing changed there. Uh so it's really from the crossing interior to the properties where really the a lot of the new work would be defosed and starting.
So this was the next sheet that shows property beyond the crossing located here to the east. Um this is a field. You can see the existing tree line is up here. So we're keeping all the work within the existing field. There shouldn't be any trees need to be
removed. Um the applicant has a a nice generous sized house located um just a little bit ways up the base of the slope in the field. Um they want to do a pool, an accessory dwelling unit, a garage. Um so we have those shown in the backyard
area. Um we did perk tests out front. They're in a similar area to where the property was previously perked. Um, we did new perks this summer and we roughed out a septic location uh down below in front of the house. We
were unable to get perks at the rear of the property. Otherwise, we would have preferred that. Would have kept a lot of the grading closer to the house, but um we ran into some unsuitable ledge and stuff going up the hill in the field. Um, so the project will require kind of
like um a cut fill where we're cutting into the the slope in the backyard, but then using that fill to fill out in the front to slope down to the septic system. It's going to be a gravel driveway. Most of it is outside, almost all of
this is outside the buffer zone. It's really just this section of driveway uh to clear paths down here for buffer that's in jurisdiction. Um we have uh multiple septic tanks. So there is going to be a pool house as a
bathroom. The ADU unit uh those will both go to a septic tank uh to a debox and then down to another debox by the field. Another septic tank for the house. Um we do have some storm water drainage outfalls for roof leaders in
the foundation. They would daylight out in the front yard at a lower elevation. Um that's well outside the buffer zones out in the field. So we don't anticipate any adverse effects. There should be plenty of room for things to sheet flow uh across the field down to the wetlands.
>> This is fairly flat there too, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. This whole front port part of the meadow is maybe three or four feet of elevation change and 300 feet. It's 1% is pretty flat. But then it does start to slope
uphill. Um, one item we are waiting on concurrent to this review is um, storm water application with the planning board also because we're exceeding one acre of
disturbance. Um, there's no way to minimize that based on where the perks had to go in the length of the driveway. Um the pro the project was previously granted um storm water permit with a bunch of waivers I believe at least twice for the previous owner. So we're
asking for the same waiverss uh where we don't have to do hydrocad and storm water calculations. Um we're hoping that the planning board views the circumstance and sees this probably a lesser impact than what was previously proposed. The house previously was cited
at the top of the hill in the woods with a lot more clearing. Um, so there shouldn't be any tree clearing uh for this project. So we're hoping they'll grant the same waiverss. Um, so there's really no formal storm water management system for this one. It's all just sheet
flow off the house and the driveway. So >> I think that that covers everything. >> Right. Is the crossing now strong enough for like construction vehicles to go across? >> Yes. >> Yep. There will be no TR trees removed
for the driveway. >> No. No. The crossings in um it has looks like poured concrete abutments. Had a steel eye beam >> up there a long time ago. Some there were some issues back in
>> Did that replication ever get uh finished? So that's what I was going to bring up um as soon as Ryan was finished with his >> So I believe we got a partial COC on that um along with the bridge that was
constructed. Those two were given at the same time I believe for public maybe around 2019 or so I think it was and when I was out there I did inspect the replication area is right here. >> This it was a very small area and it it's functioning. You can see where they
had bulb out that little portion >> and it looked like it started to they just made it the wetland bigger. Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. I remember looking at that with you. >> It was very small. Something like you know under 100 square feet. >> But as long as all the certificates and everything is
>> it was partial because it was part of a and there's still one house that hasn't been built yet on that. >> Yes. Because that original NOI I think covered those three lots because there's work in the buffer zone. uh one of the houses had been done. Um but well after that um in the more
recent permitting we had permitted individual NOIs lots which have also expired. So when I look at this, so this is where the proposed um replication is.
>> And when I measure it out, like it looks like this is >> further out than what's delineated right there. >> Yeah. So these flags are updated. So the previous boundary probably went
something like this. Yeah, it looks like it. >> Well, >> so the the partial So, there's two notice of intents that I know of for this. It encompasses the 76 Sunnyside
Road, which is 29290. the subdivision. It was there's two partial certificate of compliances for 108 Sunnyside and 110 110 Sunnyside, but not for 112. So, that is still under that notice of I mean,
it's expired, but yes, it's expired, but there's still no certificate of compliance for this lot. And then there was the 2920366 which was for I think just the driveway and the replication.
Um there's no certificate of compliance for that either. The last thing that I got was a report I think from from you guys Arbec stating that the replication had been constructed and that there it showed signs of hydro like proper
hydrarology. But I didn't there wasn't anything else in my file as far as um checking a year or two down the road to make sure that the replication was functioning correctly. That the only
thing we have here is legalation and that and that. Yeah, like I said, >> get that on the record, get that cleaned up so this and there's a $10,000 bond for the most recent one, too. So, I don't know why they wouldn't want to have the certificate of compliance. Um,
but I did see that we got a request for certificate of compliance for the 2920290. Nothing was issued though and I think that had something to do with all the enforcement orders and the replication hadn't been done. It >> was messy. >> It was Yeah. So, this is kind of messy
and I and I think it needs to be cleaned up before we move forward. >> Everybody's best interest. Yeah. >> Yeah. Um, just to button that all up. that up because there's not really much disturbance in our >> No, there isn't.
Um I would like to >> make sure that that uh wetland reputation is is properly functioning >> document >> document that it's you know >> certificate of compliance everything >> any of the certificates of compliance
>> any >> yeah we can do that so I think if we apply for a partial COC for the last NOI even though it's expired will document that the rep wetland replication was done correctly and is functioning and then we can go from there.
>> How long ago was that? I mean that's that's a long time ago. >> So the >> project first started in 2008. >> Hey, I was young Dennis. >> I can't remember back then was issued in 2009. So yeah, that's about right. And then there was that
issue with the deed restriction which I I it sense that those those lots have put had a deed restriction put on them. But that was also like trailing trailing behind. >> Nice to get us finally get it cleaned up. >> Yeah.
>> Yep. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Continue this to the next meeting room. >> Do we needed sight visit for this one? Does anyone feel we needed? I Well, >> if you want to go look at the wetlandations.
Yeah. Do you guys want to look at the replication after the >> Absolutely. >> Yes. >> So, we'll do that >> if that's okay with you. Ryan, cool. >> Level header. >> Maybe I'll take my van.
>> The van micro bus. >> No, I actually have a van, too. I have three vehicles now. >> I don't like it. give a site visit on the 24th after we do the 106 South Women's Street Fair.
>> Yes. >> Okay. So, we did I hear a motion to continue? >> Make a motion to continue. >> Next meeting of 121. You have a second. >> I'll second the motion to continue. >> Okay. Roll call vote. >> Chris P.
Andy I >> unanimous vote to continue to assemble first site visit on the wington floor. >> Good. We have one more public hearing. trash.
>> Hey, >> Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under Massachusetts Protection Act, GLC 130, section 40, and the Sulford Conservation Commission regulations by testing 182 and chapter 450 for a request of determination.
Project location is 32 Sheep Pasture Road, map 147, parcel 23. The applicant requests a determination of local boundaries in the resource areas are accurately delineated and confirmation of jurisdiction of the area under
wetland protection act 310 CMR 10.00 and the town fix wetland protection bylaw. This meeting will be held on November 17th by family at 7 p.m. >> I just open the public hearing to the
commissioner. I >> think it's a limbo. I didn't even realize that was a rainbow. I didn't do that on purpose. >> Okay, sufficient. >> Very. >> Yeah, for the record again, Ryan Nelson from Marlo Associates. So, this property 32 sheet pasture road located right here
front to Sheet Pasture Road. The rear line is along the center line of Great Brook. Um that flows into the nearby Lake Congam. Um some of you might remember we did an NOI years ago for Chris Wallally abuing it which was in the state law. >> Um so we do have riverfront area
projecting from the minion and high water of Great Brook. Um that's a very inundated wetland system. So the median of high water in my opinion is a lot farther out than what you know GIS and mass mapper shows. >> Yeah, that's what I was concerned about.
>> Right. So I flagged the maximum lateral extent of where I saw standing water. There's a very sharp transition with you know mature trees and where aluminum is. >> Um there was some very small fringes of BVW along the mean of high water. Uh we
have a little bit of BVW right down here, a little bit there, couple feet wide along the bank of the river here, and then it kind of bulbs out a little more. Um very very stark transition on soils and that those
wetland areas heading upland even though some of the hydrophic vegetation extends much farther into the property, but the um soils weren't weren't hydric. So, uh, we have done some soil testing and perk tests on the property. Um, and that that
confirmed what I was finding in the back as well. Um, so just to get, you know, for anything that's proposed here, we just want to get a firm establishment on what the wetland boundaries are. Um, oh, one thing, uh, there's also flood zone on the property.
>> Yeah. >> So, I believe the 100red-year flood zone elevation is >> 229. >> 229. So if you look on the LAR contours, that's this line right here. So it's fairly low on the property, well within
the inner 100 foot riverfront. So I don't anticipate any future work would come close to anywhere near the flood zone. Um so you have your 200 foot riverfront here and then you have your wet 100 foot wet boundary right here at
Hampton. So use the 229, but when I looked at the FEMA, it was it looked a little larger than the 229, like further out this way. >> Yeah. So the polygon shown on the FEMA mapping, which
is what mass mapper goes off of, does come a lot farther out, but um mass DP guidance is that actual topography dictates where the boundary is. So, um, that we it should go off of the actual
contour, which would be a lot tighter to the to the streaming. >> It's the orange squiggly line from >> the map. >> Yeah. Elevation. >> So, this RDA is asking um specifically if the wetland delineation is correct or
not. And whether it's correct or not, that would be a positive determination. So it would either positive determination 2 A is yes the delineation is correct or 2B no the gelination is not correct just so you guys are aware
>> do we have any input from any you know weapon scientists or anything that have looked at it >> you're looking at them >> yeah so I flagged I am a soil and wet scientist yeah it submitted some data forms to >> and he's saying we should go by what's
out in the feels rather than what's on the maps. So >> stand correct. >> I guess that makes sense. What's actually there? >> Wow. >> Yes. >> I've known you 10 years and I didn't know that. >> Showed you soil samples and everything
like look at all the wetland plants. >> I thought it was Lec was the soil. >> Rock was the guy. >> Is Rob wet? >> No. His father. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Landscape architect. >> In your opinion. It's probably,
you know, accurate to that map. That's what you're saying. >> Yep. Yep. That's That's my flagging. Y >> I don't think we can second guess him on this one. >> No, not knows what you know what's what. >> Yeah. The only thing that like was a red flag was
>> you want I can just print out another one was the fact that the >> the GIS it was so much larger than what you and that's why I was like give me a report. I want to see this. >> Yeah, I did I did notice that. >> Yeah. >> Not sure how that was determined.
>> They're not always 100%. >> No, they're not. Sometimes it's too much. Sometimes it's too little. >> Have you heard anything about the potential dredging project in Raybrook? >> No, that's they're talking about it in town and
>> I don't know if it'll millions and millions of dollars today. Can I'm not familiar. Is it accessible underneath the bike trail? Like could you launch a kayak there and make it to the lake or no? The co >> not anymore. >> No. >> Back in the day we used to be able to
>> water ski on it. >> It's uh plugged. >> That's that's the deal. It's all plugged up when they were talking about dredging it. >> Yeah. Because the maps uh for the boundary survey for this property uh the extent of Great Brook is a lot tighter.
So obviously it's been impounding over the years. It seems >> both Sabrina and I have had inquiries about this property and we told them need to delineated. So glad they >> someone listened. >> Yeah. Glad they listen. >> Looking for a motion.
>> Well, does anybody feel want to site visit here? >> I don't think we're going to >> I'm not a scientist. I guess I think >> All right. >> All right. I'll make a motion. I'll move to accept Ryan's >> here. >> Positive positive, please.
>> Positive meaning positive. >> Positive deliation. I'll second the motion. >> Chris made the second. >> Any discussion and debate? None. Roll call vote. >> Miss. Andy. I >> a norm. >> Jerry. >> Okay.
>> Efficient night. Thank you. All right, that's it for the three. >> You have in your package the minutes from uh November 3rd. If you a couple minutes and you do those, I appreciate it.
Things are sticky on both sides. So frustrating. Step the other way down. Obviously, then I have the colors. >> I can't believe I made a rainbow. >> Well, that's what colors there are in the market. So, you got to pick
different colors. So, >> I know. I needed to pick a lot of different colors for this one. So, that's probably why it ended up being a rain. There's room for a house on that lot. >> I think so. >> Yes, >> that one house.
>> Anybody have anything changes they want to recommend to the minutes? >> Good. I'll make a motion accept the minutes of November 3rd. >> Just made the motion. >> Second. >> Cherry made the second. >> Roll call vote. >> Mr. I. >> Andy I.
>> Dennis. >> I. >> Norm I. >> Jerry I. unanimous vote to approve the minutes of November 1st. >> Okay, moving on to old business discussion. Fall planting plan north
pond conservation area. Well, we decided last time I believe that we're going to ask the open space committee to do the idea. Is that right? >> Yeah. I was hoping Kevin was going to be here um because I wanted to ask him to do planting plans for the other areas,
too. I figured we'd just do it all at once. >> Okay. >> Um, but Kevin's not here, so guess I'll like call him. >> Okay. >> He doesn't respond to emails.
>> Anything else on that subject? >> Um, in addition to the RDA and having everything all at once in one spot, um, that would make it easier to submit it to the state. That way they can just approve it. and we can move up. >> Okay.
>> Gentlemen, South Longyard Road, Darn Guard working on an NOI. >> Yes. So, I just spoke with him last week and it sounded like he was going to have the select board review it tonight and sign it tonight. Fingers crossed. >> Um, once he gets that signature from the
select board, um, I think the next step is to submit it to us. So, we may be seeing it tomorrow. Hold on. He said though um work may not start until April just because of the time of year it is.
>> Makes sense. >> All right. Uh discussion open space committee. So you already mentioned they're having their kickoff meeting tonight at 7 o'clock upstairs. >> Sort of. >> Did they actually hold it?
>> They could. I think they had to actually cancel it because they couldn't figure out the Zoom thing. We couldn't we couldn't figure out the Zoom thing. >> It's like the Margaret was the admin and we didn't have her credentials to sign in to be the admin. >> Like we were trying just to sign in, but then they're like waiting for host to
let you in. It's like okay, >> too bad. >> Yeah. >> I said welcome to Zoomland. >> Yes. >> Okay. on that action item for us, which is the one we signed up for to complete this by January, June 30th,
uh we had four support groups to support the open space committee action item that was parks and wreck, historical, agricultural, and the slope board. I did send off a note to each of those
organizations saying along with a copy of our charge that we gave to the local committee asking them to add any enhancements to that and gave you to the end of the year to respond. And I said if we don't if we don't get back by then
or you haven't asked for an extension we assume you're in concurrence to our plan. Okay. Okay. The bylaw is still on the table. Discussion of 485 Lake Fee Drive retaining wall. No update there.
Dead tree. Anything to report on the conservation area? >> Yes. Um the work date is going to be November 26th. >> Right. And again, it's north northern. >> Take it off the agenda. >> Northern tree. >> No, not after it's done.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. Take it off after it's done. Right. >> We'll do it December 1st. Next item, report from the Sville Conservation Commission meeting. Again, it was cancelled primarily, I assume, because Keith is
apparently he's waiting for some surgery, but I guess he's doing some some site visits, but I don't know much more than that. Udate on Northbond conservation responsibilities for Concom. I have no
update there. Yeah. Review of open conservation projects, discussion of assignments. I had no update there. >> Is there anything you want me to take off? >> I can take off the fall planting plan
until we have an RDA sub or what? >> As long as it's long as the RDA is going to be worked, >> meaning drafted up and submitted. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You want me to keep it on then until it's submitted?
>> We can keep it on. >> Yeah, we'll just say no update. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Conservation coordinator report. Anything to update? >> Yeah. So, for the bill H3415 holding contractors liable for unpermitted work. I drafted up a letter,
sent it off to you guys to review. Please sign if you want. Um, and moving forward, do you want me to continue to print things out? Like, I didn't print out the
notice of intents because they are a lot. Um, but I have still been printing out um requests for determination of applicabilities. Do you guys still want me to print those? Because I I email them to you. They're up on the website. Um, is it helpful to have a printed
version in front of you? As long as we have like a copy >> and look it over before the meeting anyway >> and I and I try to put it up on the screen as well. >> Yeah, that's that's perfect. >> Yeah, that's another thing. If we have a visual during a meeting, that's fine. >> Yeah. >> Do we want just the chair and the agent
to sign this or do you want the whole commission sign? >> Yeah, we support >> we start with the chair. >> If you don't want to sign it, you don't have to. I'm injured soon. >> Okay. >> I read your book. >> He went out for a billion years, right,
Dennis? Like I dumped all the rocks down in the lake. >> Oh, I didn't know. You told me to. >> One thing we could do now is try to embarrass them to write away. Anything else on your update list?
>> The um encroachment issue on the North Pond Conservation Area. Well, it was still being used last week for parking. Um, and I let the homeowner
pass away know, don't do that. Uh, talked to their general contractor. He apologized. Um, who said he was there was I noticed that there was some trash on the property on Hong Kong property. Well, he said he was going to clean that up. Um, and then DPW moved those cement
blocks up. So now hopefully we won't have any more encroachment in Australia. >> Feeling good. So anybody got anything else? I'll take a motion.
I'll make a motion to adjurnn. We have a second. >> I'll second by a motion. >> Second. Roll call vote. Chris I >> unanimous vote. We're closing the meeting at >> class 75
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