We'll call the December 1st meeting of the Southwood Conservation Commission to order and the meeting is in conference room 3. It is a hybrid meeting both Zoom and in person. If anybody's recording, they need to
give permission like to open up for public comment. Is anybody in the audience would like to speak on anything? Okay. And we don't have anybody online. Okay. But I was asked to hand out and
read an item here. >> I'll read it into the record. The South Mass, the South Cultural Council and the Town of South will host a holiday memorial tree lighting to honor the memory of a long-term member of the council at town
hall 454 College Self Mass on December 8th at 5:00 p.m. All are welcome. Ellen Cook Miles will be postumously memorialized for her 23 years of dedicated service to the South Cultural
Council. Ellen passed away in April after a short illness. An active member of the council, Ellen served as a public relations officer and was an integral part of the group's annual art show. Born in Bemantown, New York, and raised
on a dairy farm, Ellen raised her two sons, Dan and Ton Cook, in Southfield, Connecticut and Southwork. Here in Southwick with her husband, Jim Miles, she devoted time and energy not only to the cultural council, but also to the
South Rotary for 30 years. It was an easy unanimous decision by council members to recognize Ellen's steadfast contributions to the cultural council by this holiday tree lighting in her honor. We are so pleased that the town
is supporting this event at the town hall and Cindy Warner council chair and I quote as well agreeing to a donation to the Ellen Mile scholarship fund by the Suffuk Glo each member of the council met and handmade cardinal
and angel ornaments as a tribute to our friend and colleague added Susan Ken Kans Kchansky council treasurer [clears throat] the south council Cultural Council supports community- based projects in activities that
promote access, education, diversity, and excellence in arts, humanities, andative sciences to benefit the residents of Sul. The council is appointed by the board of selectment to allow grants funded by the
Massachusetts Cultural Council, the state agency. Funding is based on town census. >> Very nice. D mention there that she was also worked for the conservation commission for quite a few years and her late husband
Jim Miles was chair for the commission in Yep. >> 2003 not 7:05 right? >> It is not 705. >> Let's take a minute to look at the minutes from the press meeting. See if you have one changes open
with your changes. Anybody want to make any changes? >> Look good to me. Hearing no changes. Do we have a motion? I'll make a motion in seven minutes. So, December 3rd, 30th,
>> November 17th on paper made the motion. Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> Andy Bearden made the second. >> Roll call vote. >> Andy, I nor
I realize that I didn't take attendance when we started the meeting. So, >> oh, let's announce who's here. >> Okay. Andy Chris Pratt Dennis Clark Terry Patriot we do we do have a floor.
Now we'll move to public hearings. First one is uh NOI for 6 South Lumis Street continuence of 2920432. And we have a letter from the
representative of this requesting a a continuence for 6 L 6 South Lumis Street parcel number 12921- 0000. Project file number 239009
conservation commission on behalf of the applicant of property owner Vladimir Vavoy of the West Associates appropriately is requesting the continuence to December 1st. Let's vote
hearing the above reference notice of intent. Bount of Southwork Planning Board plans to hire a third-party storm water peer reviewer with review expected on t Tuesday, December 16th. We understand
that the conservation commission would prefer to have this peer review completed before the applicant for further discussion. In light of this, we would especially request that the notice of be continued to the commissioners next available hearing. Should you have
any questions or comments regarding this information, do not hesitate to call or get ch. So, we have a I'll make a motion to accept the uh continuation. Okay. >> Can you do both at once and
do both? >> We'll take one at a time. >> So, we have six. >> Six. >> Yeah. Do we have a second? I'll second. Jerry Patrickford made the second roll call vote. >> Andy I Miss
>> P I and the motion is carried. Public hearing will be go to our next available opportunity for NOI 112 Sunnyside Road project 2920434.
We have a request for continuance for the proposed single family home 112 Sunside Road Math O7 parcel 19 file number 25724 to the conservation commission on behalf
of the applicant Dominic Blades Associates is requested to continue the December 1st public hearing to the above reference project. Our office will complete the final field inspection and prepare the required request for certificates of compliance for the
previously submitted projects as required prior to the new order of conditions can be issued. We expect to file these requests for the next scheduled meeting where you can also present the notice of intent for review and approval. Should you have any
questions, contact our hold desk. We have a motion to continue that. >> We have to wait till 710 to do that or can we do it now? >> That's a good question. >> Technically, we had to wait till 7:10.
>> I'll wait till 7:10. Make the motion. Okay. We'll catch >> what you been at. >> Good. >> Hey, where you been? >> Where have I been? >> Yeah, dog. >> I got a hematoma in the ear, so I have to go to the uh
That's that day and then they did some self to it. So >> that was the dog. >> We told us back we're going back. So yeah, but she doesn't seem to care. It's more I'm more concerned that she is. >> Yeah. Like wagging her tail happy going
out doing things going back. >> That's good. >> We stick to your objection. >> Yeah. >> I'll make a motion to accept the continuence for 112 Sunnyside Road. >> Okay. Second Chris made the motion jury
to the second. Roll call vote. >> Andy I Dennis >> I norm. >> Unanimous vote to continue. >> No clue. >> Okay. And now we have a request for determination of applicability in RDA
for 162 Birkshire. A propose removal of two trees by crane within the 100 foot buffer. Avoid condom leaving stumps in place. >> Open up the hearing to petition down. I'm going to officially read
actual >> self conservation tradition will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts wetland protection act 131 section 40 and the Southwood conservation commission regulation and bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for
request for determination. Budget location is 162 Brookshire A south of Mass 124 partial 10. The applicant proposes to remove two trees and stumps left in place to remove by plane.
Karen will be held on December 1st. We'll open up the public hearing to the petitioner. Okay. >> You've all seen my application. Yes. >> Yes. >> I think it's pretty straightforward. um
the I don't know from trees. So the person that I'm working with for to keep the trees on my property healthy um suggested that these trees were um a danger to the house.
So, I think it uh the the trees are two trees that um grew from one base >> 91 ft from the lake. On this first one, you can see there's a circled X with the
spot where they are relative to the lake and the that end of the house. um on that's um planned in your in your packet. The
one that's photo one shows the two trees and the one of the branches is right over here is the house. So it's it's a branch that's that's coming over the house. Um, this this photo, photo two, actually
shows that more clearly. Um, a direct on photo. It probably would have been really clear, but I didn't take that. These trees on this property are wicked tall. Um, they're just wow, they're amazing. Um, and the mo the
the one that probably tells the story most of all is photo three, which shows the two trees coming from the base, and there's a a a stress >> crack in the base. So, um, Carrie
Granfield is the tree guy that I'm working with. Um he will he's I I actually saw this crane because when he was doing work on other trees on my property a couple weeks ago, he found out the morning that he was
going to be there that he could get it. So he took down another like enormous tree with it. The thing I have a three-car garage. This crane took up like the whole area in front of my garage. It was like really impressive.
So, he's bringing that crane back and I mean, I watched it in motion, you know, really professional the guy, you know, going up and doing the tree work. I can see why he needs that kind of machinery. >> So, that's what we're we're we're going
to bring that crane back. Um, definitely leave the stump in place. Um, we'll, you know, we we probably intend to to replant something around that area. I'm not sure what yet. I kind of, you know, want to talk with a um
a tree guy that grows trees and doesn't cut them [laughter] down to kind of, you know, see what the landscaping, what makes sense, what's going to look nice. So, basically, I um um I want permission to take this tree
down because I I fear that there's potential harm to the house and whoever happens to be sleeping in that bedroom at night. [laughter and gasps] So, that's all I have to say. Do you have questions?
>> Any questions, concerns? You pretty much covered it in this. It's >> pretty flat. That area is fairly flat, right? >> Yes, it is. >> Much chance of erosion. And I can tell >> neighbors by the one by two. >> Yeah. >> I know. >> I think I see you walking your dog. Oh,
yeah. No. Yeah. >> All the time. >> Well, I'm the lady with the boxer. >> Oh, okay. >> So, we'll say hi next time. >> Okay. Um, yeah, it's it's there's a you know, my my driveway is sloped, but then it's flat. And there are, you know,
there's particularly on the south side of the property, there are a lot of trees. And there's further closer to the lake where this tree is, there's um I think it's a maple. Um, so, and then there's other, you know, there's other
trees around on the on the property. It's fairly wooded, but it's very flat and shallow. And you know, I'd say about 10 10 to 12 yards out, you know, you always see sand before the weeds start, >> right?
>> Terry's going to put the crane in the driveway and just lift everything over kind of thing. >> Yeah. >> It's It's just I I've never seen anything like this. >> Yeah. >> It was like really >> He did that at my house. He's >> Yeah, he did. >> Wow. >> Trees in our backyard done the same way.
Right over the house. Well, this guy's been around. >> Well, he told me. He said he said, "I'm I've done so many treats. >> He's a guy. He's a character that ago >> probably." >> I you know that I have no idea. We We
bought the property 10 years ago. >> Um and moved in December of 2019. Um, my history of the lake goes even goes back to my infancy. My grandparents had a place across the lake on the
Connecticut side and one of my older brothers owns that property now. So, I'm almost back. >> Homegrown Lake Congam. >> Oh, you're going to vote while I'm here? >> Yeah. Okay. >> No secret ballot in this.
>> All right. >> Motion. >> Sorry. >> You want to make a motion? >> That's fine, too. >> This is RDA. >> I'll make a motion to accept the project. >> Negative.
>> Negative. Dr. I second that. >> Okay. Very good. Any further discussion? Roll call. Vogen. >> Andy. I >> Chris P. Dennis. >> Norma and Jerry. I >> So negative determination has been approved.
>> Oh, that's good. Negative is right. It is. >> Okay. Excellent. >> No, I kind of had that by. But >> negative means there's nothing wrong with >> Okay. Very good. Thank you so much. >> Thank you very much. >> Wonderful holiday. Now, are my knees
going to get me a hand? We got it all. >> Thank you very much. You have a wonderful holiday. >> Okay, let's move to new business. Emergency certification 264 College Highway removal. Move.
>> Yep. Um, so 264 College Highway is the Southwick Acres um, campground and they have this one long driveway that goes back to the campground and there's a
covert. Um, Busy Beavers basically built up um, quite a big dam and the owner called me asking um, what she should do and that she was worried that her driveway was going to wash out. So, I
met up um with our now DPW director, Rich. We went on site and he agreed that this would qualify for emergency certification. So, I went ahead and issued that to her. She has 30 days to
remove it and um I made sure to write down remove the dam slowly as to not have adverse impacts downstream. I have pictures that you want me to show them. >> They need that ratified or >> Yes. Y are
>> they also going to remove the damn beaver or just the beaver dam? >> So there is there is a hut there is a hut right next to it and I told her I'm like you're going to want to address that. It's beaver season now. Try to get um a beaver >> trapper >> trapper um to to get them out of there.
And as far as the structure, I think that this is more permitting, but just >> get rid of the bas. while it's while it's in season. Do it. >> Make a motion to ratify.
>> And Dennis made the motion. >> Made the second to ratify the emergency certification. Roll call vote. >> Andy I press I. >> Nor I cherry. I >> unanimous vote. Beaver hunter still hard to come by or has that changed? I think
so. We were talking about that before, didn't they? >> Yeah, they had to get some certification. Is that >> one in Connecticut? >> Well, it's just Connecticut. >> Well, I think in Massachusetts you have to as well, but at least there's uh something set up to get certified like But in Connecticut, they haven't yet set
up the courses >> to get certified difficult. >> Yeah. Bill Margaret for bever not [laughter] >> trapping. Okay. >> All right. Let's move to old business.
>> Well, I've haven't I don't drop anything. So, >> first item is discussion of pointing plan north pond conservation area. Any updates on that subject? >> No updates on that. >> Okay. Discussion open space committee. Do we have any updates there? They had
their first meeting last Tuesday. >> No, >> I have not gotten any updates on it. I assume that it was successful this time. >> Okay. >> Because it wasn't before. >> All right. We have a tabled item for wetlands bylaw amend amendments. Uh
we're going to keep that on the table. Discussion of the 485 Lakeview Drive, Connecticut uh retaining wall. Nothing new to report there. Dead tree on North Pawn Conservation Property. Do you have an update there?
>> So on the Wednesday the 26, we had the crane crew come out and they were nervous about crushing the septic pipe >> for the neighbor at 19 Northtown Road. So, I went out there with um Chucky is
the guy who I did a site visit initially with. Um he didn't really see a reason for them to be nervous, but at the same time, they you know, it's they're they get a say and what makes them nervous or not. Um
so there's two options. One option is to go through with a smaller machine. We would have to cut down some saplings to make a straightaway to the tree. So that would require I think another RDA
and also talking to the state. Uh he wants to >> take it off the agenda then. >> No, I can't take it off. I was hoping >> Rich said that. Rich said >> he can't take it off the agenda yet. Um, but there's there there is a possible
other way to still use the crane using that matting that they sometimes use. >> Yeah. >> So, um, I I got the septic plans from the board of health office and handed it off to Chucky and he said that he's going to review that with his boss. I
guess it's only like an inch and a half pipe, >> so it shouldn't be a big deal, but I don't know what I'm talking about. >> Oh, either. I don't Yeah, I'm just going to leave it up to them. Um >> maybe the ground will freeze hard enough soon enough. >> Well, like you say, it's a damn sweep. >> Yeah, it's up to them. They're the
professionals. I'm not going to say. >> So close though. So close. [laughter] >> Oh well, maybe next year. >> Yeah, maybe next year. >> Didn't happen on the 26.
>> No, that was a that was a crappy call. 7:30 in the morning. Oh, by the way, we can't do it. What? No. [laughter] >> They showed up with the crane and everything. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then the crew guys, the crew
stayed until like around 10. When Chucky and I went out there, they stayed for like two hours, >> three hours. >> Yeah. >> Better safe than sorry, though. >> You think to send Chucky first by himself?
>> What a good idea. Okay, next item report from the Southfield Conservation Commission meetings. The last meeting was cancelled. Next meeting is next Tuesday. Other than that, there's no update update on northbound conservation responsibilities.
Uh I have no updates for that. Review of list of open conservation projects and discussion of assignments. I have no update on that. >> So we'll move to conservation coordinator report. Anything new in report there? I had um somebody ask me
if they can hunt on the Starret Drive conservation property. I do not know the answer to that. >> They want to follow all the rules of the state. That's what I was thinking because I I did bring up the >> the warrant article when
>> I think as long as they follow the rules of far away from the house [clears throat] >> all conservation properties except for >> he's he's going to use
>> compound bow compound >> I don't think there's any restrictions on any conservation other than Sophonowski, but there was a stipulation when we got that property. I think all the other ones have opened open. >> Yeah.
>> So for for hunting um and the was it 500 ft from homes is it also other structures because there's stable right there. >> What he has to do is really go to the Massachusetts hunting >> right >> website >> and they break it down what you have to
do as a shotgun hunter, what you have to do as an archery hunter. So he should educate himself. He really shouldn't be out of So >> dwellings and roadways. >> So exactly. So all the rules are wellings and
>> but is this stable cuz horses sleep there? >> Yeah. I would I'm not going to say. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Anything else? That's what he has to do is find out the details for himself
because it's all spelled out in detail. Yeah. >> That'll be a real hero if we told him anything. >> Right. Right. >> So, >> I didn't want to say yes or no, but I saw no about the 500 foot and I was
looking at also nice to ask for, you know, correct. Nice. Yes. Have >> a question. Yeah. Okay. Um there's also mail. We have email from
um Lake Management. One pertaining 159 Ferg. Another one pertaining um 157 Feeding Hills Road. Norm, do you want to read these into the minutes? >> Okay.
>> Thank you. Lake management committee has had the subject site and the owner's request to permit construction of these elf buildings noted in the tax westfield news 11225
article and it agenda for quite a while as most of these were placed and constructed within the FEMA flood zone. LMC has been working with USDA's Natural Resource Conservation Service, NRCS,
more than two years on a plan to address the flooding of Congratulations by restoring unrestricted flow to the clogged waterways of Canal Brook and Great Book. Great Book is immediately adjacent to
157, which is the tea house, by the way. At no cost to the town, NRCS funded the first stage consultant to perform a paper study and develop a preliminary feasibility investigation report that was completed and accepted by NRCS
about a year ago. and NRCS has now funded roots on the ground assessment by their consultant pair engineering on both waterways and to develop plans to alleviate flooding and to restore unrestricted flow in both waterways.
Besides the other dams, bridges, and culverts destroyed by Hurricane Diane in 1955, the feeding hills road bridge adjacent to this property was washed out by Diane and had to be replaced. The construction of these buildings upstream to this
bridge is within the flood zone of Great Brook and these buildings could be potentially blocked the opening of the bridge if a similar flood event like Diane, not even a 500year storm were to occur. Backup of these flood waters would
result in significant damages to adjacent properties and one of South's critical eastbound evacuations route, Route 57. In the past, LMC requested that Kong weigh in on these the location of these buildings in the Great Book
Flood Zone. Now with the fedally funded NRCS flows restoration projects fully underway, LMC is again requesting that concoming board and building inspection code inspection officers expeditiously
repres revisit the situation and do not permit these buildings or the decorative buildings that were also added by the property owner to remain in the Great Book Flood Zone. Dick's LMC chair.
>> If I remember, I believe those are built out of the flood zone. They're raised structures so that they weren't taken. >> We're talking about the gazeos, >> right? >> Yes. >> That have been permitted already. He's want He wants us to pull those permits back. Is that what he's asking us to do? >> I believe what he's asking is they're
now going to put a [snorts] a a ramp, handicap ramp to get into it. So he doesn't want handicapped ramps going to these luxuries. >> The handicap ramp will be in the 200 foot flood zone. >> Let it be removed,
>> right? I mean, >> I think he's referring to the buildings because this doesn't the ramps at least >> already been built. >> This is all about this is all about the >> permit something that's already been permitted. >> That'd be kind of hard to do. I >> believe that article had to do with the ramps. It doesn't say anything about
handicapped accessible or anything. It just says structures and they have been permitted through the DP. Mhm. >> It's an owner's request to permit construction of out buildings. >> But that's old news. I It's already
done, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They have >> If it was something new, then we would look at it. But it would already been. >> As much as I don't like the buildings themselves, they are. If you stand on the bridge, the buildings are higher than the bridge. >> Yeah. >> So, the water's going to go over the
road before they wipe out the buildings. >> But they were built outside of purposely built outside. >> They're above the outside of the flood plane. They're above the flood. >> That's only way they could get permitted was them be able to do that. >> Be above the flood water. >> Originally, he wanted them right on the
water, didn't he? And then we said no. >> That went that went through a few different things, but it was permitted with >> um engineers and architects and calculations and everything done. So >> the flood plan was taken into
consideration during that process. >> Are we going to respond to this or just this is just for to take in the information? >> You guys can tell me what to respond back to. I know there has been a certificate of compliance issued for this. And if they are going to install
um those ramps, they still need to come in with an RDA, >> right? >> So, we'll be looking at that, >> right? This is just a pretty confusing N letter. So, I wouldn't even have a response to it because I don't understand that.
>> Yeah. >> I mean, it's already been permitted. >> What's what's there now? And if anything comes forward, then it will have to be looked at before we decide one way or the other. >> We don't know what the calculations are of the ramps. We don't know what they're made out of, if they're removable,
loadable, or anything else. >> Yeah, I don't even see a mention on here. >> Ramps aren't mentioned on here. >> No, he's asking us for weigh in on the location of the buildings in the Great Brooks buildings. >> It sounds like somebody's proposing these, but they've already been proposed
and a permit. So >> yeah, >> if this letter came out like five years ago before the build up, it'd be different. But >> but we did look at it then. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They went through all the permitting. >> Yeah. >> I think if we need Route 57 as an
evacuation route, we got bigger problems, >> right? >> I mean, if you're evacuating Southwick, you have big problems. That's essentially what you know very street >> right
>> the the hurricane Diane that was that was a big deal a lot of >> Oh yeah >> well the other thing too with hurricane Diane north pond went out it wasn't just because of the rainfall it wasn't just because of the brook flow >> it blew out >> it blew out the lake and that's what caused that rush of water that went
through that area of the great brook >> so historically speaking it wasn't really just the amount of rain or the flood flooding of the brook itself >> and I think that problem has been alleviated. >> There's also a great period of rain before that, >> right? That's what saturated by
hurricane, right? It wasn't just the hurricane, >> right? >> That's why like, oh, it wasn't a 500year storm, right? But it was a super wet period of time. >> It didn't. >> Yeah. >> It was a lot of factors ocean.
>> Yeah. I mean, there wasn't just south. It was the whole area. >> Oh, yeah. because of all that right beforehand. >> So we just want to accept the letter. >> We can accept the letter but no action. >> Okay. >> And you pull a permit.
>> No. Okay. >> We don't know is I believe you can period of five years. out. >> Okay, we have another letter from
Richard to 159 that you're out corrective action. I'll read that into the record. I spoke with Mass D Western Region Circuit writer Mark Stinson on 11:114 about other older maps showing
conditions of the subject property before, during, and after the total clearing of the subject land of trees, stumps and vegetation, including the wetlands and hydric soils associated with same in the lowlying
eastern end of the subject where it borders Birkshire. Giraff Mark sent me several maps and a link to mass mapper maps that shows the progression of total forestation 2005 to almost total
clearing of that once forested land 2019 and 2021. [clears throat] The clearing of that once forested land is more than 3 acres which far exceeds the 1 acre Southwork Strongwater bylaw limit. One can also
see the same total clearing on Google Earth maps, but the mass mapper maps also provide superimposed property lines and where Google Earth does not have that information. The attached maps clearly show the original location of
the intermittent stream bed. Currently appears that some of the stream bed is being relocated to the north of the original location where the new detention pond dam are being constructed. Lake management committee members have discussed the clearing
activity and resultant breaching of the unpremitted earth and damp on December 18, 2019 regularly at its meetings. LMC members have continually recommended removal of the unpermitted dam and pounded impoundment area, the stream bed
restored to its original status and the surrounding area reveitated and left undisturbed going forward. Also, LMC members have noted many times the work continues constructing the new unpermitted dam empoundment area
that and [clears throat] that work is now well past the growing season. That poses a significant risk for a repeat of the 2019 event where cubic yards of silt were sent falling into the town's fully
permitted S319 funded detention pond and grassed and grass swale on the on the waters of Middle Pond. The risk of another disaster increases with heavily heavy rainfall occurs after ground is
frozen as was the case in 2019. LMC members have continually sought to cease and desist order like the previous one attached that has been issued by Kyle Scott in 2020. LMC members have frequently have repeatedly sought to
have upstream empowerment areas on this property and to and to have flow restored unobstructed to the natural original stream bed. Any proposed empoundment area dam should be required to be duly permitted by the
concom master mask EP public once public hearings are held in the town agencies agree that the empowerment is warranted and properly designed. Construction of any empoundment should be overseen by an agent representing the town's interest and funded by the
property owner Richard Bran's lake management chair. Any discussion on that letter? >> I agree with him. >> Yeah, I mean it's been going on for a long time. Dennis and I went over there probably was it 2016 or 2017?
>> There's a season desist already issued. You know what does it do to >> and there's already fines being imposed? I believe what's happened. >> I know there's a GoFundMe page for him to pay off his fines.
that they should follow up on the uh seats of desist that's already on there. I mean that somebody should follow up and conservation would like to see it come in front of us but we haven't even I've requested to see
the plan for that and [clears throat] I have not seen I've requested several times to see what the plans are because they have an engineer but we haven't got a copy of the plans even of what the empowerment area or the dam or anything I don't know. Yeah. And
this is the dark. >> This is what happened last time. Um I believe he was asked to do something, but he never came in for a permit. And then that's when he built the big dam. >> Yeah. >> On his own without a plan, without an
engineer. So, is it this though the one where you guys said that you went out [clears throat] there and found that what the area that was being worked on was not jurisdictional? >> That's correct. I went out there with a D and then
>> physically drew a line in the sand >> and they were on the other side of the line. So, >> but originally before that, I believe it was jurisdiction. He cleared the land, he cleared the soils, he cleared everything out of there. Yeah. So right now it's >> there was no hydraic soils.
>> Right now it's just sand. It's a sand >> sand >> right >> highly erodable sand right >> that which is causes a problem because I don't know how you reveate sand. >> No right now it's all invasive grown back in everywhere is cleared. What is
it called invasives? So they just take over. They grow anywhere. >> So you want to see the plans? >> Sounds like it. get the plans. >> Yeah, I'd love to see a plan. I don't know what we're talking about here. Like
to see what the status of the cease and desist. We'll just the status the town's storm water enforcement status is on this. We have a local storm water bylaw. I'd like to know what the status of that is. Um, we don't want to do anything
until we find out what the situation is, how the town stands on it, what our role would be in the future permitting. I'm not going to we're definitely not going to design anything or tell them what they need to do out
there cuz if it goes ary would get blamed for it, right? >> He's already blamed us for stuff that we haven't done anyway. So, >> right, >> we don't want to go. I believe it's his a relative of his who was the engineer for the projects. Okay. So, will you get a give us a copy
of the plans? >> Yeah. I get all that stuff for you. >> And was there an intermittent stream drawn on a map? >> There used to be one. >> Used to be one drawn on a map. >> I know people that grew up in the neighborhood and said there's always a stream there that came all the way to the road. >> That's different than being drawn on the
map, >> right? recognized and drawn out. >> And then there was speculation that he put pipes under the ground that he underground, but we never found any evidence of that either. >> They just because the soils are so sandy,
>> it just soaks right. >> I mean, if it's not ground on a map, it's hard to pursue. Even that one jurisdictional because >> the original map showed that going right through the corn fields under the railroad tracks through the other cornfield, the pumpkin field
>> and then behind the Chinese food restaurant. >> That the one that goes right past the library >> right >> goes all the way through all those fields on on the map. >> Yeah, because you had to prove that it wasn't even though they had three days of nonflow,
>> right? What the solar company did the same thing? They proved it wasn't even that. >> But this has a stream to the golf course, right? Comes through the golf course. >> There is flow off of the golf course that creates the stream. Actually, it comes from the pond. I believe there's a
pond up in the golf course. I believe the stream starts there and comes down across. It's not a stank stream until it gets down into the ditch. >> And it is jurisdictional golf course >> and it's been there forever. I mean, they built the trestle. >> Yeah. Right. >> For the train tracks. So, it's been
there since like what, 1928 or whenever they built the train track. So, I mean, it's been there forever. It's not something that the the golf course imposed on or pushed water onto that property. It's always been there. >> Slowly over the years, he graded that soil. We graded that area, took the
trees out, just took got rid of anything that appeared to be wetland >> and dug a ditch so the water would have a place to go so it wouldn't spread out and >> have any more wetland so it turn into a a drainage ditch.
>> But yeah, let's get some information on that. If we can help out in any way, I'm sure we'd love to do see that solved. >> All right. Anybody else have anything to bring up?
>> None. I'll take the motions. >> I make a motion to adjurnn. >> I'll second. I >> All right. Let's vote and we are calling the meeting to close at 7:45 p.m. for the
record.