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Part 1 (Video ID: ZCMRF3YhB2w):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Called to Order and Public Comment Introduction
- 00:00:35: Public Comment: Heather Roberts - WPA Submission Inquiry
- 00:06:28: Public Comment: Gloria Jacobski - Silk Fence Update
- 00:09:32: NOI Tenery Road - DPW Stream Crossing Project
- 00:16:55: NOI Six South Lumis Street - Stormwater Review
- 00:18:28: RDA 49 South Longyard Rd - North Pond CA
- 00:19:31: RDA Brighton Drive - Beach Replenishment Project
- 00:24:50: NOI 142 Berkshire Avenue - Wall Amendment Request
- 00:30:49: Emergency Certification 109 Fred Jackson - Beaver Dams
- 00:33:41: Shinron Yoku Sign Edits and NRCS Project Update
- 00:43:55: Motocross Call Site Visit and 662A College Highway Update
- 00:49:13: Order of Conditions Signature and New England Trail Update
- 00:54:30: Possible Violation 292 North Lumis Street Update
- 00:55:40: Discussion of 159 Berkshire Ave and Property Review
- 00:56:31: Conservation Properties Updates, and Open Space Committee
- 00:59:17: South Southfield Conservation Report & Coordinator Report
- 01:03:46: Minutes Approval and Meeting Adjournment


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public. >> We will call the Conservation Commission meeting on Monday, May 18th to order. Conference room 3 here in town hall. It's a hybrid meeting both online and in person

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and it's open by taking attendance here. Miss Pratt here, Dennis Clark, Nor here, and Bob Garvey. >> So, please note we do have a quorum. First item on the agenda is public public comment. Anybody in the audience

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that would like to speak on anything? >> Um Sabrina, is this where we need to jump in first? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> For the record, name and address. He Heather Roberts three Pine Road.

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>> So I sent Sabrina >> form one for the WPA over the weekend. She had a few comments which I returned for today. So I'm just not sure what the next steps are. The next steps um

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would be to formally submit it to the Conservation Commission. Mhm. Did I give you a checklist? >> Probably and all those attachments, but I only looked at the um the tree suggestions. Okay. Okay.

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>> Yeah, I think uh yes. So, there's a checklist in there. And so, we'll need two hard copies. We'll need a check. Um there needs to be uh a public notice in the paper. So, that form needs to be filled out.

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One hard copy gets sent to Mass D. It's all in the checklist. >> Okay. >> Um, one hard copy gets sent to Mass DP and then you should be good for the submission. And then what would happen is, um, during the next, no, probably

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not the next meeting following that, we would review it just like we're going to be reviewing it here. That thing turns back on. Um and then we good to go for your project

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as well. So >> yeah, it's time. Okay, coming on. was thinking about it. Maybe

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you turned it off and on. >> Yeah, it's powered on right now. It's just not showing up with the screen. >> Maybe it's going to come on. >> I have to do it >> analog.

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It's working on the computer though. >> Yeah, we're working on the computer. We don't have the screen up there. >> It's still recording. >> It's still recording. Yeah. >> Turning it off. >> I wonder if I share my screen at least. Well, then we can't still can't see up

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there. So, that's working. But then what happened? It >> goes black in a minute. Oh. Okay, >> we're just gonna have to try the screen. >> Okay, I've only printed one copy. So,

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you just want me to go over this and the >> Yeah. So, basically on that map kind of write down where the work is located and also like where the deck is. >> Um because you're going to be doing work on the deck. So, and with that image,

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it's kind of hard to see where it is. >> Back with pictures attached and everything. >> What's that? >> We'll make it more light. I gota >> I mean, we do have all your pictures. Um, but just to see on a plan in reference to the the lake.

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>> How'd that happen? Oh, I did send this back to you the afternoon with the descriptions or work was going to go. >> Um, is that it? >> Yeah, it's hard to see printed out, but retaining wall

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straw waddles down there. I think that's okay. I can look at it more. Um, >> okay. >> And as far as the suggestions you sent for like the trees and bushes, do you have to use those or is arborvitees okay

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or should we at least throw one of those in there somewhere? >> Missioners, what do you think for like So, how many trees were actually cut? It was only a couple, right? >> Yeah. I'll count them all up for you guys and we'll put back, you know, I saw the list with everything. We'll put back

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the right thing. I just trying to clean the place up and I'm like, >> "Yeah, >> this is again, you know, I'm trying to do the best I can." >> Yeah. >> Be honest with you. I'm >> doing the right steps the best we can, but >> there's going to be no prior, you know,

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I'm really trying. So for the tree replacements, you can put shrubbery because we understand like if you don't want to put another tree and have the same situation, shrubs, a shrub that won't grow too tall, is easily managed, not a hazard to structures on your

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property. Like that's that's fine. >> Okay. So just resubmit all this up to you. >> Yeah. All right. I'll call you. I'll work with that. That's okay. >> Absolutely. It's fine. Yeah. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Thank you for stopping by. All right. No problem.

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>> You're welcome. >> Anybody else who would like to speak on anything? >> Is there anybody online that would like to speak? >> Anybody Gloria >> Gloria

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Jacobski 201 um I was waiting for a email from Sabrina but evidently it didn't go through. So, in the meanwhile, we have put up half of a silk fence to protect that area. And we also got rid of the big bone pile. We actually had it taken off site.

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>> So, we get screened off site to be bring back in. We did because I couldn't get a hold of the water as quick as we wanted to, but we were able to over the weekend get the silk fence. >> So, I think we put in probably 75 ft already. Now, the other side where the other big pile is that we couldn't get

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rid of um because I don't want it to go too long. We're going to have more rains and kinds of things happening. So, >> we think we can get that pile back 100 ft away and then put put seed on it

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or whatever. So, I'd like I'd like to just continue that and then put the rest of the silk fence around that that little pile that's left. So, while everything else is going on, >> I just want to let you know that we didn't just do nothing. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, and I know my husband was very upset, but again, that was a personal

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thing. nothing to do with the board. >> He was so >> Oh, he was he was upset. You know, he's just it's his dad, his mom both have passed and it's just one of those family things. So, I'm not that, you know, way. So, and I want to do the right thing. So, um I'd like it's I'd like to know

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what's happening. You're welcome to come take a look, you know, if you want to come out again, but we appreciate you coming out. I appreciate, you know, you being upfront with us and we did ask you to come for a site visit. So, you know, that's on us. We're not trying to hide anything from you, but we want to do the right thing. So, I just want to tell you

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our plan and let you while we're doing the rest of this NOI and all that stuff. Um, I'd like to continue and get that pile moved back. I mean, I have to bring in a big excavator, but I I think we can get that done before we have any like massive rains, you know? So, if that's okay with you guys, I'd like to do that

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and then I'll wait for your letter. >> Mhm. >> The checklist and to make the forms that we need to do. So, that's why I came tonight cuz I didn't get an email from you. So, >> thank you for showing up. Yeah. >> So, if that's okay with you guys, I'd like to just do that. And like I said, you're welcome to take a ride ride right out and take a look at where we're at so

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you can see what's been done. And um hopefully it's within, you know, what you kind of suggested that we do. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> And then I know I'll be on the docket at some point, but I didn't want to. If I wait, we're going to get into rainy season. >> Thank you. So much appreciated. >> Thank you.

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>> Do I need to stay for anything else or I'm good? >> I mean, you can if you want. You had >> Thank you. >> Okay. Well, we'll now move to >> I know we're going to move to >> I'm here for the culvert on beach four.

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>> Is that in the agenda? >> It's on the agenda, but it is one, two, three, fourth down. We'll get to you fairly soon. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Let's go to public hearing number

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one. NOI Tenery Road 292-0438 continues from last meeting. They were waiting for the D comments. >> Yep. You got the D comments. Everyone's got a copy in your Boulders. >> Hi, good evening. Uh N Duffy with Ty and

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Bond on behalf of the town of South DPW. Um, so we did receive um comments back from SC as well as the file number. Um, I did have a chance to send that to you uh this evening. Don't know if you've had a chance to look at it um but I'm

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happy to go over them right now as well. Um um the only thing is that so we do have um a set of proposed plans that I had forwarded to you. Would you mind putting it on the screen? >> When did you feed it to me? It was um

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6:00. >> Oh my god. >> So sorry. Um I didn't have a chance to print it out. Um >> I was kind of sweating and you guys were having technical difficulties. Um but in the meantime, I can start going over the comments. Um so the first

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one is that the OAD that we um had the south side of Tannery Road um the delineation displaying um has expired. Um and so um we did do a delineation of that um of the south side of Tannery

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Road um while we were out there in April. And so the plan that hopefully we can bring up has both of them laid on together so that you can hopefully see that there's not too much difference between the two and it doesn't um alter the project or um increase impacts to

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wetlands or anything like that permanently. Um, but I'm also happy to go to a site visit. Those, um, flags are probably still up, the ones that we hung. Um, if you're curious about, um, the difference

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in those, uh, delineations. >> Do you think you could, um, send that to me again? I don't see it. >> Did, >> you said at 6 tonight? >> Yeah, it was 6:03. Do you have Was that the last email I got was at 5:40

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from me? No. >> Okay. I was like, I don't know who's sending you >> just from anybody. So, I'm not sure. I I tried refreshing my email. >> Oh, you know why? I think I sent it to your Blford um email and I knew I was

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going to do that eventually. >> Yeah, it's probably going to happen in the future. I get like stuff from Mark Stinson when it's supposed to be. >> Yep. >> Um I can move on to the second one as well.

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>> Yeah, I think we're good with the delineations. >> Are we? >> Okay, great. Um so the second comment was that um was about um work occurring off the public right ofway and on neighboring property and um that we are that the applicant is to provide written

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permission um sorry the property owners um are to provide written permission to the applicant. Um and so we will either be receiving written permission through a right of entry um or temporary easements and both will require an abutter signature or property owner

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signature. Um so that will will be meeting that um requirement. And then the final uh comment was that um the applicant is using limited project general provisions and references uh general provisions at 10.538 to permit

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proposed activities. Um when evaluating provisions, the commission can consider the magnitude of the alteration and the significance of the project site to the public interests. Um the availability of reasonable alternatives and the extent to which adverse impacts are minimized

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and uh mitigated for. The provisions are specific to ensuring that avoidance, minimization, and mitigation factors for stream crossing replacements have been considered, especially when the Massachusetts stream crossing standards have not been fully met. A showing of this is accomplished through meeting the Massachusetts River and Stream Crossing

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standards to the ma maximum extent pract excuse me practicable using 12 prescriptive criteria identified at 310 CMR 10.538 that are to be evaluated individually if the commission determines that the stream replacement project fully complies with uh

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Massachusetts River and stream crossing standards the maximum extent practical evaluation would not be applicable but I think that's more of a statement to you rather than comment for us. So that is all of them

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cause for concern on the DP comments. Then I'll make a motion to move our project. It's an RV >> NIO. So, we got to close the >> Make a motion to close the hearing. >> Thank you. Chris made the motion and

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that made the second. >> I didn't, but I didn't. Yeah. >> You knew it was coming, right? >> Go ahead. You're a yes. >> I have a yes. >> Mentally sent that. >> I norm. Unanimous vote to close the

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public hearing. Now, we need a motion to approve the project. I'll make a motion to approve the project as presented. I'll second that. >> Any special conditions or anything?

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>> They dewatering us. Is this going to be Yeah. >> So the same conditions as last? >> Yeah, we have a dewatering plan before the >> Yes. >> I can't. >> I'll second. I already did. >> Okay. Any further discussion?

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>> Do you understand what's happen? I think so. >> Roll call. >> Nuances. >> I press I >> norm. Unanimous vote to approve the NOI as presented with conditions. >> Awesome. Thank you. um for orders of

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conditions. I just um I'm doing both Vining Hill and Tannery Road. So, I just want to make sure what my if there's anything I need to do or if that'll be sent um electronically or or anything like that. >> Um we are going we need to give I don't

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know if I'm just going to have John pick it up or if you guys want to pick it up to be recorded at the registry of deeds. >> Yeah. Um either one I think just as long as we just communicate it's fine. Yeah. >> Yep. The one for Bining Hill is basically almost done. I just need to

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submit it to Mass EAP and then um it'll be ready. It already has the signatures. It's all ready. >> Okay. >> It's great. And then um we'll try to get this one done >> in a timely manner as well. >> No worries. All right. Thank you so much for >> Thank you.

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>> Okay. Next item is NOI for 6 South Lumis Street 292-0432 continued from prior meetings. >> All right. >> And we have a response from Levest. >> So we have

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so a storm water peer review was submitted by Tai Bond. Arc responded to that and they're waiting on Tai Bond to respond back. and we are waiting for the planning board decision.

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>> So, is this going to get continued again for how many times is this? >> Yeah. Um, >> few. >> Yeah. And I have I did give you a copy of the response to peerreview comments for successfulness if you wanted to have

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a look at that. ask. Um, well, >> looking for a motion to grant the continuence. >> Yes, please. >> I'll make that motion. >> I'll second on the motion to continue. Roll call

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vote. Press I then my unanimous vote to continue this NI one more time. Fourth item is RDA 49 South Longyard Road continued. >> This is North Pond Conservation Area.

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>> So Connor can't make it tonight. I asked him if he could make the June 1st meeting and he said that he is not sure. So this might have to get continued a couple times. Um, tomorrow

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there is a meeting at the North Pond property with Mass Fisheries and Wildlife at 10:00. They bumped it from Thursday to tomorrow. >> Um, so at least we've got that ball rolling. >> Bring this with you to make sure she's

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okay with it from the state that that her DA is okay with them just so they don't come back later. >> Okay. We'll be ready. >> So, we need a motion to continue this one again. >> Make a motion to continue. >> We have a second. >> Second. >> Made a second. Chris made the motion.

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Roll call vote. >> I norm. Unanimous vote to continue to the next meeting. Next item. RDA Britain Drive project is performed minor beach replenishment

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project approximately 1/10 of an acre in area. that RDA do anywhere? >> Yes, we should. >> Y I'll read the call. The South Conservation Commission will hold a

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public hearing under the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act, GLC 131, Section 40, and the Southwork Conservation Commission regulations and bylaw, chapter 182 and chapter 450. for request for determination. Project

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location is on Brighton Drive, Southwork, Mass. The applicant proposes to perform a minor beach replenishment project approximately onetenth of an acre in area. The meeting will be held on May 18th, 2026 via hybrid start at

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700 p.m. in the town hall on Zoom. So, we'll open this up to the petitioner. Please come up and join us. And >> name and address for the record, please.

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>> I'm uh Marty Andress, Twine Road, >> and I'm on the board of governors and also the beach captain for Beach 4. Great. >> Okay. >> Welcome aboard, Captain.

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It's a sinking ship. Really? Yeah. >> And we saw the picture of the that >> Yeah. That was from last September when we had those two heavy rainstorms. >> Yeah. >> And now uh the swale which doesn't really exist at the bottom is just kind of branching out into a delta just

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finding its own way to the lake instead of coming out where that pile of rip wrap is. That's was the intended part it to come out. But over the years I think the lawn has gotten higher maybe there, you know. I don't know. But but in any case, it's not going where it's supposed

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to be anymore. Um I tried to dig it up a little bit, but they must put some kind of mesh underneath there when they built it to hold the soil, let the grass grow. >> So you really can't even stick a shovel into it. It's pretty hard. >> So it would be u your responsibility to

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try and some kind of fix. that DPW is aware of the situation and >> they haven't been out there yet to uh >> try to make them aware of the situation before it becomes another problem again.

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>> And then the sand which is kind of related because the wash out is partially taken out the beach sand. Uh we want to just replenish that over the years. It's been blown away, swept into the lake. I don't know where it goes but it just goes away. Yeah.

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>> You know, and now there's a a dish in that area and the water is flowing into it instead of going out to the outside. And when it does flow in, it forms a big puddle and then once it gets far enough, it pushes the the wash and the sand back out into the lake.

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>> Yeah. >> So, if we bring it up to grade, it shouldn't have that problem anymore. It should just dissipate on the sides normally. >> Okay. So, what's the timing? We got to have this. The town needs to do its thing first, right? >> Yeah. You want to correct the problem

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before you replenish the sand. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm sure you have the same problem again. >> Okay. So, let's let's contact DPW and ask them to give us an update. >> Okay. >> If they just brought in some loom and receated it and made it higher on the

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two sides, brought in more rip wrap, that'd be fine. Yeah. They they got, you know, maybe 20 stones at the end. Kids have thrown them into the lake and they're gone. I don't know what was originally there when they did the project, but whatever is left is not much.

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>> Great. >> I don't know if you ever walk down there and see it, but walk down there to normally find it negative with the condition that >> if you're going to walk down, I'll meet you there. But DPW uh addresses the find

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the project negative with a condition. DPW addresses the issue. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Is that a motion? >> I'll make that motion. I'll >> second. Made the motion. Chris made the second discussion. M got a vote.

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>> Roll call. >> I am. >> That way, Marty, you don't have to come back once they fix it, >> right? >> You'll be all set. And this is good for >> I'm scheduled for June 1st for the sand. It's kind of like a dual thing. >> We'll try to get them down there soon

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then at least to do something. It's probably not going to be a permanent fix, but at least a temporary fix. >> So, at least somebody will get down there and look at it. That'd be nice. >> It should spread. It should be You've seen the >> I've not seen this. >> It's pretty pretty nasty. The drainage

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system they got out there. >> Yeah, there's not much pitch there. It starts off pretty good, but then it just flattens out to nothing. You really can't dig it down >> because you'll be below water level. >> So t if TPW wants to meet, I'll be glad to meet with them down there.

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>> Okay. >> Anything else? You're good to go for now. Thank you. All right. All right. Thank you. And now we're going to move to new business and it's proposed amendment to NOI

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292-0433 142 Bergkshire Avenue. Please come up and join us. Hi >> John K. Nick 142 Birkshshire. >> She made it. >> Yes. She got out early. So >> I don't know if uh you can put that

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email. I just sort of had an original plan. they have a copy of your email and your plan. >> So, basically, I mean, it's pretty simple. Instead of two walls, we're just going to do one wall at the at the end. >> Lakeside

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>> lakeside. We're going to drop it two 4 foot walls. Now, it's so steep there. We're just going to do one one 4 foot at the end, some >> Yep. And um so it would be one continuous

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flat area of uh if you guys are seeing this. >> We all have it in our >> Oh, you have it there. >> Oh, there you go. >> So, I wish this bigger. I don't know. >> Basically, here I'll just show you. I I So, right here, we're going to do a 4

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foot and a 4 foot in the legs here. But, you know, after doing construction, it doesn't seem um a good good idea. Basically, we're just going to put one wall here >> and have this all flat. And then this

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this hill was pretty tight. >> So, we're just planning on putting um a small retaining wall there. >> And basically from the 100 foot mark >> is Oh, that's it was like 20 20 something feet, but it's less than 4t

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high there. So, it's just to keep that ground down. You guys know it's so sandy that it's you know, we had that wall. It's going to keep going no matter what I put on it. It seems like we get So, I thought it would look better than doing just this little corner. It's just one

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one wall here. And then there's two trees here where our original plan, it shows it there, but it's gone. The steps there, but we didn't want to interfere with the roots. So, yeah, like right here and here, there's two trees.

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>> So, it's literally like six feet away. So, we don't want to dig that out. So, we're going to put the stairs closer to like probably 2/3 this way >> and stay away from the trees with the wall even further. We were going to stay 10 ft, but it seems like we'll go we'll

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probably stay a little bit further now cuz we don't want those things coming down. They're huge. >> Do you happen to know your elevation drop from the house down to the wall on the bottom? >> The um at the bottom of this wall? >> Yeah. Um, >> it's only four feet because it would

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have been eight if we did the two walls, but now it's only one >> drop to the bottom of this wall would have been eight. Now it's only four that you guys already proved. >> Now it's actually going to be higher >> unless, you know, we're not going to hit the the wall as much now with the

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vegetation, which I thought would be a better idea. I wanted this wall lower to get rid of more of the hill cuz it's so steep to go down. But >> right, >> maybe in the future we can come back and address that later. >> Um, but that that whole wall system that

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I originally wanted is just too expensive. >> It's not even, >> you know what I mean? It's up 100 grand just, you know, for that part I I can't do it. >> And plus, we got obviously the the deck going and just the wall block is expensive. So, we figured it's not a big

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change, a slight change, but um talk back to Sabrina about coming in just, you know, >> we think less impact. >> There's less impact to the soil right now. >> Less impact that's allowable. How are we going to document it? So, the money comes in for the certificate compliance

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that it's the not the original plan, but it's a new plan. >> Um, >> can you get me? >> Do you want us to redraw? We can redraw this >> the right way. >> I wasn't sure what you guys exactly wanted, but I can. >> This will be all the same with no wall

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here. >> Yeah. Instead of Yeah, I totally agree. >> Get me an updated plan and I'll just I'll label it >> approved plan. So, if I send you that in the next day or two, can I still work with this? Are

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you guys approving just the one wall? >> Like, cuz right now I'm at a standstill cuz >> Do we need to vote on that? norm for amended. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But I think because it's less impact, I don't think you have to wait. >> No, I don't think so either. I think

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>> if we vote on it tonight, >> we want to do this before it starts raining. >> There's a lot of sand here. >> I'll I'll definitely send a new copy the way it is like within the next couple days. But >> I I'd like to get going on it if I can to keep moving ahead. So, if that's

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okay. Looking for a motion to uh approve the uh amended plan. >> Yes, >> I make a motion. I approve amended plan too. >> Chris made the motion. >> Second. >> Made the second. Further discussion. >> Roll call vote.

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>> Chris I am. >> That works >> unanimous vote. We're in business. >> Thank you very much everybody. Good night. >> We'll be in touch about that. Glad we could get in before the rains. >> I don't think we have to have an entire

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commission sign that plan. Just normally >> Yeah, just Okay. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you very much. >> Have a good night. You too. >> Thanks. >> Next item on the new business is emergency certification 110 and 109 Fred

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Jackson Roading of Beaver Dams. >> Well, we stopped there. Um I'm not sure if you guys uh are familiar with this area over by 110 109 Red Jack Road. >> Never seen it. >> Um

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>> where is it? >> Close to my house. >> Oh wow. >> It's basically where Kevin >> lives now. Yeah. Okay. >> From Todd Browns that big fields. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They're and there. >> It's been a problem for a long time.

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>> I remember that. Yeah, that's just come up before. It's gets right up to the road level. So, we will flood the road if they don't do something. >> But now they be my house. So, they move. >> Yeah. Right. Right. One, they built another

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enlarge their territory endlessly. >> Um, yep. So basically um myself and board of health we issued um what is board of health is it considered emergency certification to so board of

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health she issued the emergency certification to um eradicate the beavers and then I did the um emergency certification to slowly breach the dam and it was getting pretty close to the road over there. >> Eradicate the beavers too. >> Yes. to eradicate the beaver too, which

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is why I don't think those same those are the same >> beaver >> they built isn'tless to rebuild it. >> Yeah. Um >> once it gets knocked out of there by the weather or something, whatever. >> Fingers crossed. >> Um >> big big storm coming.

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>> Um >> yeah, it's a rainstorm, >> right? >> Talk about removing the debris off site like not just letting it sit there, you know, in the in the >> Well, because they reuse it the ones that come back. >> Oh, yeah. They come back. >> If they run out of wood, they don't

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reuse it. They go get some fresh. >> There's plenty of >> Yeah. >> stuff they can use back, right? >> Yeah. Well, let's just hope it's longer. May I don't know. Maybe this is something where a beaver receiver would be good, but um >> possible >> DBW would have to probably

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>> maintain it. That's the problem with beaver deceivers. If you don't maintain them, they just scroll over. >> Yep. get locked. But um yeah, this is a problem area. So maybe down the road that's something to consider um calling. Was it Beaver Solutions? >> Yeah. Yeah. Y

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>> now. Do we have to approve the emergency certification? >> Yes. This needs to be ratified by a majority at our next >> Solutions has a maintenance program, but it's costly, >> right? I know. So this year's not the year. >> Yeah. Right. I hear that. So

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>> yeah, >> they'll they'll do the whole thing and maintain it and everything, but >> So you want to make a motion to approve it? >> Make a motion to approve it. >> Ring the second. >> Um I

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we've approved the emergency certification. Next item on the agenda is review the edits of the Shinron Yoku signs from the Sopanoski pres. >> You guys have them. I thought they look nice. >> They looked at her every time I see.

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Okay. >> I'm hoping this is the last time um we update it. I had Lup look it over and said it's fine. Um and if we can I'd like to get these ordered and printed before fiscal year. Make

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>> advice. Yeah. Very nice. >> I'll make a motion to approve. Oops. >> I'll make a motion to approve the edits on the science. >> Do we have a second? >> Yeah. >> Made the second. Further discussion or debate. Roll call.

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>> I set that aside. >> Nor am I unanimous to approve those. >> So make the minutes easy for you. >> Okay. Okay, next item on the agenda is an update on the NRCS project congalone flood control. And can you share the

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screen for me please? >> The folder now. >> Please join us. show. >> Okay, this is an update on the project that started last September.

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The original intent was to to dredge Canal Brook and NRCS hired pair engineering and they've done a excellent job and

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they recently came up with four alternatives for us to further were further discussing. I just wanted to enlighten you on what the alternatives are. Alternative one is to limit the amount of black backflow from the lake both

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from Canal Brook and Great Brook. And they're recommending the replacement of the rear gates with automated control structure and and these control structures will be about 1.3 feet higher than they are

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today. So we're going to stop a lot of water coming in. And the great brook one can actually go go a little bit more than 1.3 ft. Also in this is a regrade of 25 2600 linear

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section of rail trail down near the Connecticut border that will raise this section by up to three and a half ft. The estimated cost for this phase one here is three to three million to six million. >> Who pays that? >> Huh?

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>> The town pays that. You pay that. >> I'm kidding. No, >> this is this is like um >> there's no funding available. >> Yeah, I think 80% or something, right? Is that what it is? >> Yeah, there's a number of different

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>> It's a It's a good chunk. >> That's a lot of work right there. >> Yeah, >> it gets bigger. Alternative number two is a canal brook alteration which in first of all includes alternative one

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and it'll be channel alteration of canel Brook that will be 6,000 linear feet. 50,000 cubic yards will be removed. The bed will be lowered by 3 ft and the base of the bed will be widened anywhere from 10 to 25 ft.

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Crossing replacements will take place for Quarry, Notch, Brookside, and Griffin roads. And crossing replacements for the rail trail will be D and E and Phelps Road. Then there'll be remedial crossings

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because now more water is flowing crossing replacements for Cory Notch, Brookside, and Griffin roads. Estimated cost for this alternatives between 53 and $88 million. And the sad part is it wouldn't give us

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the big benefit we were hoping to get. There's such an elevation. The elevation for the canal brook is really not positive for a good flow of water >> even with that. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Okay. >> And same with the great.

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>> Wow. >> And alternative number three is uh canal bal and great brook alterations. So it includes alternatives one and alternative twos alteration for 15,000 linear feet for of

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great book clearing of wooded wooded vegetation lowering the stream bed by up to 3 ft widen stream bed by up to 22 feet replacement crossings for sheep pasture A and B industrial south longard roads

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replacement for rail trail crossings A and B and and remedial replacements for feeding hills, shaker A and B roads. Estimated cost for alternative three is between 135 and $220 million.

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>> I heard that has the same elevation problem. >> Wow. >> It's the issue. Same issue. >> Alternative number four. Yeah, >> this is an auxiliary outlet off a North Pond

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will include a modified alternative alternative one. You won't need as much automation on the wear gates under this one. The new auxiliary outlet system will be a structure of 20 by 30 by 12t high.

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50 ft of overflow. We're set at 224.6 Six, which is one one/10enth above nominal 6 foot wide outlet conduit will underground for 1,000 linear feet

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directional drilling. Estimated cost for this alternative is between 9 and $15 million. >> Is this uh North Pond the North the North Pond outlet that they're suggesting? Okay. Now I did also ask them to explore a

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possible fifth alternative and that was to lay in canal in in Great Brook a smaller conduit right in the right in the in the brook and see if they could and then pump it

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out. So we haven't made any comment on that yet that was just submitted. So we're discussing the alternatives and the net the pros and the cons and

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then a design after a selection is made then we'll move to the design phase. That's an update. >> I was at the meeting towards anyone. >> Well, this one well alternative one has

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to happen. There's backflow from from those two canals. >> Yeah. >> They they they create water quality and and and they actually flood the lake. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Trying to control the flood. So,

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>> it actually comes back over the top of the weirgates. So, >> yes. >> There's a no alternative five, huh? That's >> Wow, you're all like way up there. You're all tough, huh? >> Yeah. >> Nothing jumps out at you.

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>> I learned about this when I went to CRC meeting last week. Dr. Eric Wheeler presented it and he did a good job in presenting all the details and each step and why the canal dredging isn't going to do much of anything.

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>> What did he recommend? >> He was recommending that one. >> This was the one. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Pricewise >> price difficult to think that it's option really. Thank you. >> Where would it be? Where would it be?

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>> In North where the uh >> where the old one where used 855 went through. >> Yeah. >> Well, yeah, we used to have that. >> Used to be an outlet there. >> That was a mistake getting rid of that in the first place. >> Well, it washed out the flood. Yeah. >> Yeah. 55 flood wash.

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>> It had the biggest wrap. So far as gravity go, that's that's your spot. You bring it down the brook that way. So it would go under uh Longard, South Longard. Yeah. >> Cliff is gone.

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>> What's that? >> Cliff is >> come out. Brook. >> Oh, wait. No, he's there. >> Yeah. Used to be there. >> So that's the update. >> Okay. >> You got the latest and greatest.

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>> Wow. status of the motocross call site visit. >> So, we have not gotten anything submitted from them as of yet. So, I sent them a reminder letter and they responded to that reminder letter saying

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that the survey is underway. I expect the survey meaning the delineation and we can expect um it to be completed by early to mid June. Okay. Good.

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Anybody got any comments on that? Okay. Update on 662A College Highway 292-0412. I >> believe Jim Bole is disguised as

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>> Can you hear us? >> Hi. How you doing? >> Hi. Thanks for thanks for coming at short notice. >> Yeah, no problem. >> So, I wanted to know what was going on with the wetland

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crossing and from my understanding um the wetland was crossed using mats over the winter so trees could be removed while the ground was still frozen. But that wetland crossing is continued to be used

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and it looks like there's fill that has been put over it. So my question would be I guess for the commission is is that allowable for them to continue to use that? I

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don't think the flow is there anymore. >> The question would be how else could they do it? What would be the alternative? files could get they get across >> build the crossing. >> You know what I mean? >> So that that wasn't your original plan

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to do the crossing first and then the construction. >> Uh it is it is the plan to do that. Um all we really did is cut the trees and clear the low mount. Uh but the water is actually still flowing. Uh there was never a stoppage of flow um and

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everything. So, um, uh, there is actually just no stop. And so, uh, I was, um, explaining to Sabrina, the parts have been ordered and they're supposed to be coming in, uh, this week and next week. And so, the construction is planned for, uh, at

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latest June 1st, but, uh, possibly even next week. >> Is the wetland replication underway? Is that being constructed as we speak? >> No. Um actually, so we're uh trying to just get the foundation in up top and get the wall in and the drainage. And

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then um kind of towards the end when they spread the loom and stuff, we start with the uh replication. But all my engineer stops by once a week to verify that the fence um is in place and and there's uh no over, you know, we're not doing anything over where we're supposed

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to. Um so we do have those reports if you want me to send those in. >> Good thought there. We're going to use some of the soils from where the crossing is going to be for the replication. So, wouldn't that happen simultaneously? Crossing and replication.

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>> Um, we didn't really look at it that way as far as doing that um and stuff, but we we actually could. It's it wouldn't be a big deal. I think I think we discussed that with your consultant. I think this

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I mean, I'd actually rather get that done sooner because the stuff over on the left, the replication really has no imp like once we when we work over there, it has no impact on the entire project. Um, that so I would be, you know, interested in doing that myself.

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>> Okay. So, so you think that the crossing is going to you're going to start on the crossing within the next few weeks? >> Absolutely. Uh that'll uh definitely be done by June 1st.

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>> And really the the a big holdup is the parts. Uh so once you um uh engineer this then um they have to get a plan uh submit it and then get it okay. And by the time you do that and then the fabrication of all the parts is kind of

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what took the the time. >> Okay. All right. >> Uh make sure gets in >> sooner than later. >> Anything else? Uh, no.

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>> Okay, >> that's good. We're good. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you very much for showing up. >> Thank you guys. >> Next item is uh we need to sign the order of conditions of the resource area delineation for 331

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North Lumis. Have that paperwork. >> Yes. I Now we'll move to all business. Rising corner New England Trail floating bridge update. We did have a site visit there

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a couple days ago. There were four of us there. The office was there. Meth was there. >> Andy was there. I was there. And we had Dick Gr also there. >> Yes. >> Was the neighbor there, Dick? >> He did not come in.

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>> And um and you you could see that the neighbor's done some work there already. Oh, yeah. That's good. But basically, you got 2 and 12 inch galvanized pipe that's fitting in in a

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bracket and uh it has about quarter of an inch maximum. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. If anything shifts at all, it's going to >> crazy. >> So there and he has removed a couple of the

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galvanized pipes and he put in a stainless steel one inch diameter rod in its place and so you got plenty of gap there. >> Yeah. Right. >> So continuing on with that effort probably should be the right thing to do. 13 more galvanized pipes will have

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to come out >> and I think it's was there six stainless steel pipes or already >> existing. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Dick was saying that they should probably have some sort of a brace system when you're trying to pull those

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out. Otherwise, you know, the the bridge itself will break cuz it's plastic and they have >> We should ask >> some sort of rein. >> We should ask the the guy who pulled out the last ones how he pulled those out of the >> Yeah, right. That's a good question. >> We don't know what they did. Yeah,

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>> but whoever did that would know. >> I would think I would think so. >> But what we don't know is the length >> know something. He is an engineer, too. So, >> we don't we don't know the length of the stainless steel rods that he put in. Maybe we could find that out.

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>> Didn't Dick kept those for us? >> Dick didn't He didn't know how how long they were. >> Oh, >> it's hard to tell because, you know. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's about the same height as the existing pipe, but we don't know where the pipe went and how that got in there.

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>> Don't know. >> Are there still pipes laying out there from the old ones? >> No. >> No. Some of them look like look like some rust, like they're seized, you know, and >> we jumped up and down on a couple a little bit, but >> not enough. >> Yeah. Jam.

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>> So tight on there. It's a bad design. >> Yeah. >> I heard it was designed so the pipes were smaller than the actual whatever you call that. >> Yeah. The rock pipes in there. >> They put the wrong size pipes in there. >> That's what Dick told me.

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>> Yeah. Oh, >> told me that. >> There's no space for them to >> Yeah, I know. There bad design >> how it's going to move. Yeah. >> So, they're kinking and other stuff and just not. >> So, we just got to figure out how long

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we need to get those stainless neighbor to how we got them out last time. They've got to be stuck in there pretty good. >> Yeah, we we I gave the old college try. They wouldn't even budge that. Andy had a couple good ideas on how to possibly get him out.

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So, we'll check with the the neighbor and see how what he did and then we'll move forward. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I think Dick is looking into getting those rods to >> Okay. >> You mentioned the Wall-E fabrication

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down the road. They they fabricate metal, I guess. >> Yeah. Um he mentioned that. >> Okay. >> Okay. But no. >> Yeah. He had an idea of where you could get those. And you said that Grant never came through for the rising corner, but

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>> there it's been crickets. I've tried to reach out. >> One person doesn't work there anymore. The other person's not responding. >> Appalation Mountain. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You never know. made here for that

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both. >> Next item, possible violation 292 North Lumis Street. >> We did a site visit on Thursday and um there has been progress. The site is relatively stabilized. Um it

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is seated and there is straw laid down and the grass is starting to grow. It's not at 75% yet. It's still really thin. >> Um, and I just kind of inspected the areas and I'm sure you guys did too. There was a few of us there. Um, it didn't look like there is any active

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erosion happening right now. So, >> he's on the right path. It's not I I rather wait until the area is more grown in before we say, "Okay, you're >> Leave it on the agenda." >> Yeah.

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>> All right. discussion of 159 Birkshire A. I know there was >> work going on over there. I think he's going to be receding. I know he graded put some sand on and I think he's put on top of that now up on the upper area.

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>> Yes. >> And I believe he's also put some things down on the bottom by the brook like a dumping ground of tires. >> I saw tires. I didn't know where they were. There's like a thousand.

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>> They're neatly stacked. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> I don't know what's going on >> if they're just storing it there. There's >> I mean, >> I don't know. >> So, I believe the building inspector is trying to get a site visit.

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>> He might be. Um, last time I heard it was DPW trying to get a site visit and um, we were having or he was having a hard time getting a hold of both the engineer and the land owner. They weren't being responsive. So,

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>> okay. Grass removal conservation properties. >> There is no update on that. Hopefully tomorrow we'll find out what our budget is. But I do have an update. >> Oh, okay. >> Far spiff update. >> Oh, okay. >> I did all the parking lots of these

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floor sites >> and uh actually the Leinskies was needed the most work. I was surprised. >> What? >> Yeah. >> A lot of trash came out honey road. >> Yeah. >> Was it like just beer cans or

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>> No. No. The actual parking lot was pretty good shape. Oh, >> but the garbage had to be removed. >> Yeah, >> I got a cleaner there, right? Big trash. >> Can we get rid of that? Is there a reason why? Cuz is there really a lot of trash that accumulates right there?

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>> Well, Norm just said he in the past that that that particular garbage can is never never full. Maybe half full at max. But this was full. >> The rare. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Somebody cleaned out their car. >> Yeah, >> that's what I'm thinking. >> Probably probably. Yeah.

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>> Anything on open space committee? >> Um, as far as the grant, the grant was approved. I don't know if we've talked about that in the last meeting or if at least just through emails, >> but the grant for the open space. >> Are we waiting for the select board to

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appoint people to it now? We so I think they're currently appointing or they should be currently appointing because well we sent in our recommendation planning sent in their recommendation. They actually met with um their member today to talk about open

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space so they're organized. Um but he but the one from planning he's yet to be sworn in. Christine has not been informed that someone has been appointed. So, I think there's a little >> Yeah, I think maybe

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>> it is on the select board agenda for tomorrow night's vision. >> Okay. >> Okay. All right. >> Okay. Nothing on the what? >> Wait. Yeah. Wait. What are you talking about? Tomorrow's town meeting. >> There's a there's a there's a six

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o'clock meeting of the select board. >> 15minute meeting. >> The 15-minute meeting >> after the special town meeting >> before. Oh, I thought special time meeting start at 5:30. >> That's when people can come in. >> Starts at 6:15. >> Okay. Okay. Busy.

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>> So, technically they have to have they have to have an open meeting for the for the townwide meeting. >> Okay. >> So, they start it and then they close it at the end of the townwide meeting. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Kind of like an executive session.

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>> Finance committee, I think, does the same thing. They do. Uh nothing new on uh 485 Lake View Drive. Report from the South Southfield Conservation Commission meeting.

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Uh, I can't remember if I updated this one, but we with my appro with my blessing, they approved the the the new um retaining wall at what was it? 471

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Lake View Drive because they had 10 ft. >> Okay. >> To play with will not be in the wall. Did they talk about um oh my >> 4034? >> Yeah, that one

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>> that's on their next meeting next Tuesday. >> Oh, I thought they already talked about Okay. >> Okay. Uh conservation coordinator reports. Anything else to add? >> Yep. Uh just a couple things. It appears

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that the truck has been removed from the lake today. Um, that's good news. We did get a report from a neighbor of the North Pond Conservation Area saying that there is a rope swing, there's been drinking, bad language, our orange fence has been

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damaged, and there's trash. So, um I've talked to uh Chief um Banish and mentioned um please be present there,

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show up every once in a while just to, you know, be there. Um so, there's that. And then also I just let this person know to please call the police when this is happening because you know reporting it after the fact to

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the commission there's nothing we can do about it. Um but thank you for you know letting us know that now I know I have an orange fence. >> A little bit more update on that subject too. I was in North Pond today. Uh, I had already planned going before

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we got the from the email from Deon from Daniel. Uh, three fences were down since last Saturday. >> Don't we only have three fences? >> We have four. >> Three out of four.

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>> They've been replaced. >> Oh, have they? >> They've been fixed. >> You fixed them with like just like >> Yeah. Zip ties. >> Zip ties. Okay. I might have to order some more. >> Yeah. The police have not yet taken care of the encampment or the rope swing. Uh

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the chief apologized says last week was a difficult week for the police department. >> Okay. >> Over on King's Beach, we had our first campfire. >> Okay. >> Evidence of a campfire. So >> there's signage, right? Just don't you

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cannot do these things. >> Yes. >> They burned the sign. >> Yeah. Nobody had more than >> your dog. Yeah, I hear you. >> Yes. So, I wanted to mention the 2011 Granville Road, but Gloria came in

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during public comment. So, um there's that. And then also the Mass Ready Act. So, the Mass Ready Act, they they're talking about amendments to the bill S um 3064. This would prevent municipalities from enforcing their local bylaws for

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priority housing. Um, if you want me I I wrote up a draft letter. It's basically just from I think NACC and I just inputed our information like Southwick. Um, if you want I can have I can have you guys sign this and I can send it off

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or I can just throw it away. It just I wasn't sure if you guys wanted >> No, this is it, right? Yeah. Yeah, >> I think he's sending on that. >> Yes, we should make a motion. >> I'll make a motion to second.

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>> I'll second it. >> Okay, roll call vote. >> I a nor did you have anything else? >> I don't think so. >> Oh, yes.

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I have an amendment to make in a minute. >> Okay. >> President, but I wasn't. >> You don't want to get credit for something you do. >> If I was here and didn't vote on anything, that would kind of be >> just like here in frontal enough.

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>> Let's see if you said I didn't. >> No. So I'll cross off. So Chris wasn't just Yeah. Have to fix it tomorrow. Yes. >> I'm okay with the minutes. Something is always besides that. I

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didn't see anything blaring. Okay. I'll take the motion to accept the minutes as amended. >> I'll make that motion. Accept the minutes as amended. >> Okay. Second is by Norm will make the second

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roll call vote. >> I normous vote to approve the minutes. Anybody have anything else they'd like to bring up? >> No.

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>> My brain's dead. >> And the minutes will approve time. >> They're going around. >> Uh, I just handed that to you, didn't I? >> It's not the minute. >> Was there two things here? >> Oh my god. Where did it go? Okay.

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>> I'm not telling you. >> Just add this. Well, I will now take a motion to adjurnn. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Roll call vote. >> I a unanimous vote to close the meeting

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at 8:04 p.m. >> Thank you all and all. >> Well, appreciate