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We will now call the Conservation Commission meeting to order for Monday, June 1st, town hall conference room three. This is a combination hybrid and an in-person meeting

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and we'll open up by taking attendance. >> Is that Andy Reen? >> Andy Reen. >> Okay. Dennis Clark. Warm Chver. >> Jerry Patria. So, do have a quorum and both of our alternates are here right now.

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>> First item on the agenda is public comments. Anybody in the audience that would like to say anything? Anybody online? So, let's go right into our public hearings. NOI for 6 South Lumis

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Street 292-0432 has continued for the last several meetings. >> Do you did you sign in? >> You don't have to do it right now. just supporting me. >> So, just a backstory, um, Six South

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Lumis, we got the application, I think earlier this year. Um, the storm water infrastructure needed a peer review. Tyen Bond did that peer review, sent comments to Arlovc. Arlo sent comments back to Ty Bon. time comments.

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>> Okay, >> back to us. [laughter] >> Name and address for the record, please. >> Yep. Uh, good evening. My name is Phipe Crabec Associates, a project engineer. Um, here tonight for the notice of intent, a continuation of the notice of

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intent application for the um four lots being created over off of or at the uh what is currently the six South Lumis Street property. So, just kind of big overview of what's happening out there. There's an existing home um that will be

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part of one of the lots here. There will be a frontage lot facing South Lumis here. And then there will be a common driveway to access a lot that technically has frontage on South Lumis, but is restricted access

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due to a a BBW along the uh frontage of the parcel here. and then farther back an estate lot uh with a home towards the rear of the parcel. Um as Sabrina just stated um we have had back and forth

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with a peer review with Tai and Bond uh in regard to the storm water design because there is it is a uh uh four lots being created here. It triggers the storm water um um permit application. Um so that required us to design a a

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collection conveyance and attenuation system. So that is being what is being done is uh the upper portion of the driveway. So just uh the topography of the site is such that you know along the road is low. It's 399 elevation 399 98

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and it's kind of going down as you go south on south Lumis and then from that point as you move onto the property the elevation is climbing. It's going up. So this house is, you know, at the top of a of a a little hill here and then

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everything kind of grades down towards South Lumis and then also down to the south towards um an intermittent strain that runs sort of an east west sort of north east to southwest direction across the page here. Um so what we are

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proposing is a collection point of um you know a a driveway side swale that would have yard drains that would collect the runoff from the upper portions of the driveway in the site. convey it through uh a pipe network over

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and down into the a bio retention basin that is located here. And then the lower portion of the driveway and also the the areas associated with um you know the the portions of the parcels that are

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adjacent to South Lumis um a swale and conveyance and then a pipe network to a second bio retention basin here. Um so we have you know two bio retention basins that would collect recharge and attenuate flows and then ultimately

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discharge to the south towards um the intermittent stream to the point where uh runoff generally is uh being conveyed to currently. Um so essentially we had the back and forth with the peer review. We we had a design we submitted it got

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peer reviewed they issued comments. uh we responded to those comments. They gave us a letter back saying that everything had been addressed and that's where we're at at this point here before uh the commission today. So um you know jurisdictional areas is associated with

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the 100 foot buffer um adjacent to the BBW and then the intermittent stream here and then also um uh the buffer zone uh to this BBW that's um on the frontage parcel here. So it's

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just the work within those two jurisdictional areas uh that is being uh proposed and and that has been uh reviewed to this point. So um that being said, if there's any questions, I can certainly try to answer them. >> Do you have a maintenance plan

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associated with this? >> Yes. So as part of our storm water design, we prepared a uh our standard storm water drainage report which includes a long-term operation and maintenance. And who's going to be responsible for that? >> There's going to be an association of

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the homeowners to be respons uh responsible for the >> like a regular subdivision. >> Yeah. Like a regular subdivision. It's not technically a subdivision, >> but it's they're they're all inter um interconnected. >> Yeah. With this with the drainage.

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[clears throat] >> Okay. Other questions? Andy, you got any questions? >> No, Dennis just covered mine like what the long-term coverage for that was, but the association covers that.

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>> Always been our issue that the homeowner association never seems to get formed till later on or never. >> Yeah. I mean, as a condition, you know, as a I'm sureing board took care of that. >> Yeah, that it certainly was. Right, Marcus?

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>> Not there anymore. >> You were there though, right? Uh, not quite. >> Oh, okay. Never mind. >> Do you want Do we want that to be part of the conditions for No. >> No. That's That's >> I'm just curious. >> Any questions?

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>> Um, I have a question. If you're thinking about closing the hearing tonight and voting on it, um, would there be a bond? And if so, would it be more than the standard $10,000 bond? Because this is technically more

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than one lot. Um, something to think about. >> That's a good point. Yeah. >> Whose name would the bond go in? Like which homeowner or does it go against the association? >> I think Well, it would go against the

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applicant right now who owns the property. >> Yeah. There there's not an association. Nothing. He's still owner of the propert. >> He would have to transfer it after when the property is transferred. >> Right. >> But you the amount of the bond you think is should be more than $10,000.

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>> It's just a thought, you know. So it's essentially for storm water infrastructure. Um work within the buffer as far as the the driveway. Um $10,000 doesn't go a long way anymore. >> Did the planning board require a bond on

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this at all? Uh no. So the just to uh clarify, we are >> we were at the planning board last week. There wasn't we kind of same presentation. They didn't have any outstanding comments. Um but they left it open to write the >> So it hasn't been closed yet.

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>> It hasn't been closed, but it's we presented there wasn't any additional questions. So there was essentially to write the the permit conditions >> and if they had bond posted on it that would lessen our need for one but >> I don't know if they have one.

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>> Yeah, I don't know. >> We could do the standard 10,000. Yeah, I I believe this I can't recall um the storm water per you would think with all that infrastructure and all that there would

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be some kind of bond. >> Um yeah. >> Yeah. would be open to, you know, whatever whatever the commission was considered. >> Why don't we suggest a $15,000 bond?

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Just jack it up a little. >> Okay. >> Anybody want to make a motion? >> Want to make a motion >> to close >> to close the hearing? >> I'll make a motion to close the hearing. >> All right. Second. >> Second.

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>> Jerry needs a second. Roll call vote. I >> Andy, >> Andy, I cherry I unanimous vote to close the hearing and I'll take a motion on the project.

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>> Now, this the bond would just cover the wetland replication and wouldn't cover the stuff that's outside of our jurisdiction. >> There there's no wetland replication. There's no replication, >> right? Yeah, there's no No, it's just it's um work within the outer 50. I

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think you didn't go within the inner 50. >> Okay. >> But that's within I think three lots, three separate lots because that the driveway is the the state lot essentially, right? >> Correct. >> And then you have the >> down there. Yep.

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>> Down here. So the >> the the buffer just kind of clips inside of this basin here. And then you know the drive, this is the existing house, but they have to realign the driveway to get this lot here. So a portion of this

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driveway would just kind of put the the 100 here and then we're in the we're outside the 50 with just this corner of the basin here. >> Okay. So like all four >> one, two, three. Yeah. All three. And then

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the work in here. this this lot uh the 100 kind of clips a lot. There's no work for this lot in the >> Are we seeing any monuments on there for delimination or between the 50 and 100?

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>> Uh there currently no we don't have mining vegetation. >> Is there any chance of encroachment you know from the other side um >> toward the wetland? probably, you know, it's maybe on this lot. May, you know, these are the lower

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elevations. So, the the h the home would be up higher on, you know, on the topography here. >> So, you [clears throat] know, anything, you know, maybe this 50 here and then, [clears throat] you know, inside the 50

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um down here. I mean, this basin is the extent. No one's going to go beyond the basin here, but maybe, you know, if we're anywhere it would make sense, you know, along the 50 the existing house and then on this lot here,

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>> we require um the close areas of the buffer to be u surveyed by a professional surveyor. So, it's staked out prior to construction. the the wetland flagging I think is already there. Is that what you mean? >> We're going to be encouraging on the buffer, not the wetland, right?

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>> Is But is the buffer flagged? >> The buffer is No, you to the So you would flag the obviously the wetland line. >> Yeah. >> And then >> the 50, you know, sometimes has the

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monumentation requirement, but not, you know, >> just in the event of encroachment, you know, somebody gets the idea in a couple years I'm going to make this part of my lawn, >> right? Um yeah, I mean certainly open to some monu I mean if that makes >> limited work area should be the

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monuments there right? >> Well on the 50 anyhow >> 50 foot. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The limit of work is the 50. >> The 50 will require you know plan >> that you know in order to you know for example to do work inside the the

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hundred obviously for this parcel they would have to >> come back with a notice of intent. >> Yeah. >> Um and then at that point you could you could >> we'll put that in the order. I'm just thinking of having something in writing. >> Put that in the order of conditions that they have to come back for any

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individual >> for the individual plots that includes the driveway and storm water. [clears throat] >> So the notice is to to to for the work or the limit of work is shown on this plan which would include the storm the

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storm water system and the driveway right to to get to these parcels. But then these houses and the you know the orientation they may come back and you know these are could become rectang they're going to change the the home

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>> actual building we're approving the >> driveway the access >> storm water those conditions I move to conditions when we didn't >> it's same as a subdivision which if they we approve the subdivisions but they

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have to come back in for individual lots within jurisical areas. >> So Barry's made a motion to approve the project >> with the conditions we talked about which was the $15,000 bond

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monumentation on the 50 foot buffer line. Well, >> and order condition >> they're going to have to come back for individual lots when they build there. That that has to be they should put that in there so they know.

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>> So that's >> cuz that would be >> that's what I was going to say. So I don't know if it makes sense to add the 50. >> They have a 50 foot in this. No, that would be when they come back. >> When they come back they do the plot plans that because they might not go that close to the 50. You know they might be you know 20t away from the 50

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and then you have markers. you know this we're not approving the actual building >> we'll think of it >> when those come up individually as well too >> yeah just approving the the access >> yeah we can't treat it as one entity right now is >> right here >> so as long as that's clear then

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>> right okay >> we have a motion on the table >> we have a motion need a second >> I'll second that >> Dennis needs a second further discussion we'll call vote >> andy I

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>> that I >> nor I >> I unanimous vote to approve the project with conditions. >> Great. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Next item is an RDA for 49 49 South One Road. I'm going to hold on that one

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because we have an item on the new business. We'll discuss those together. So, we're going to move to the RDA for 28 depot. I'll let you call the meeting. Southwood Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the

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Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and Southwood Conservation Commission regulations in bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450. The request for determination. The project

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location is 28 depot south of Mass. Map 089, partial 0890280000. The applicant proposes the construction of a 95 ft stone wall within the residential yard area of the property.

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Meeting will be as on Zoom and be held June 1st via hybrid starting at 7 p.m. in a central town hall. and we'll open it up to the petitioner. Your name and address for the record, please. >> Marcus Phelps, 28 Depot Street,

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South. You like to give us a brief description of the project, Marcus? >> Yes. Uh, this is on a residential lot. The uh

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project proposes to add some landscaping which is primarily the foot and a half wide by 90 foot long drylaid quarry stone wall.

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And associated with that would be a 5-ft strip of riverstone between the existing sidewalk and the base of the wall.

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Uh boarding using uh the Southwick GIS system. Uh I'm estimating that the project is within the 200 foot riverfront area because it's 135 ft from the great brook

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which is the perennial stream. So that's why we're here or I'm here. And uh let's see what else is there. Uh the wall is going to vary in height on

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each end. It'll be about 2 feet high. And then it increases in height to about four feet. And um then there'll be grading of the lawn, minimal grading of the lawn. And

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there'll be a small staging area to the left of the driveway where the uh quarry stone will be dumped and picked up from there and put into the wall. There'll probably also be some

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gravel because the wall will have a drainage system behind it that will go to the east and daylight off as you're looking at it through the uh to the right as you look at the wall.

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Daylight to the right to catch any uh runoff from the lawn. I mean there should be minimal. The only impervious surface really is going to be the stone, the tops of the stone that

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are in the wall because the river stone along the sidewalk area that will be pvious and uh that's about all. >> So, it's going to be right next to the sidewalk. >> Yes. Okay. >> And the reason you want to put the wall

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up >> for landscaping for aesthetics. or a set. Yes. >> So, it'll actually above the sidewalk. >> It'll be five foot back sidewalk. >> There'll be a five-ft

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area of riverstone between the sidewalk and the base of the wall. >> Parallel to the sidewalk. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Parallel to the sidewalk. >> Okay. >> Will this stay within the historical nature of your house? >> Of course. Mhm. >> That's why it's dry laid stone and not a

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concrete wall. Sure. Not a beautiful >> concrete. >> Marcus, isn't there like a really big elevation change between the river and your where you are on Depot Street? >> Yes. >> You're like really high up. So there's

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really no like bordering vegetation or you're just so you're kind of like so far away because of the elevation, >> right? Yeah, there's elevation from the Great Brook up to the road, Depot Street, and then on the north side of

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Depot Street, it elevates again to the sidewalk area. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's more or less a formality that you're here because it's on the other side of the road. >> Yep. I don't think >> it's very visible. So when there's a

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bobcat out there digging in the ground and there's people out there, >> we'll be read about it on the internet. >> Yeah. It'll probably make the Westfield news. >> I hope not. I don't see any impact of the riverfront with this project. >> Probably ask for a straw waddle, right?

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Just for uh >> Yeah, probably something just >> for the formality of it. >> Yeah. >> Good idea. You want to keep sunflowers? >> Yes. Oh yeah, they're about this high right now. >> Okay,

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>> there questions. >> I'll make a motion to find a negative project. Negative. We have a second. >> This withdrawals. >> I'll second. I was waiting for you, Andy.

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[laughter] >> We have a motion that's been seconded by Jerry to prove to find this negative determination. >> Any further discussion? Roll call vote then. >> Andy I.

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>> Dennis I. >> Norm I. >> Jerry I. >> Unanimous vote determination. >> So this was a condition of adding straw waddles. Yes. Correct. Correct. >> Along the sidewalk or everywhere

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>> the down slopes a certain >> down slope. >> Yeah. So it doesn't leap onto the sidewalk or anywhere on the downside. >> Very good. Are >> you going to send me a nice letter? Right. >> Oh, thank you. Thank you.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. The next item is another RDA this time for 14 Braen Drive and I read the following. The Southport Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the

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Massachusetts and Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and the Sulford Conservation Commission regulations in bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request for determination. Project location is 14 Brighton Drive,

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Subwick, Mass, Map 136, parcel 136-004. Have a looking for soldiers to remove three hazardous trees located on the property. The meeting will be held on June 1st with all high starting at 700

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p.m. in the South Town Hall and on Zoom. >> Open it up for the petitioner and represent may have an address for the record. >> Don Parker, 14 Brighton Drive, South. >> Ryan Duncan, 392 College Highway.

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>> Okay, you have some pictures there, Arena. >> Um, yeah, I was going to bring up the map. I don't know if all the pictures are actually attached to this. So,

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so we could we could do the the plan or we could do the pictures first. What do you got to do? >> Plan's fine. >> Can you see the plan? Let me try to zoom it in a bit. >> So, at this point, there's three trees in distress. if you're driving down the

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driveway to the right, the maple tree, it's split and it's hanging over the house. Um, and so we there's problems with that. And then we I have a total of um seven trees in the front, but there

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are two ones that are asterisks that are about 23 feet away and from the from the lake, 16 from the house, and they're also in distress. And those are also two facing over the house. >> The other Oh, go ahead.

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>> Yeah. When we originally looked at it, she was concerned about six or seven of them in the back. And five of them are leaning away. Never going to be problematic for the house. But there is two that are leaning back that have some, you can see there's some root rot

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starting at the base, some ant damage on two of them. Two coming towards the house. The maple on the right side of the house has a fracture at the co-ominant lead that you can see. It's not terrible yet, but the whole tree's hanging over the house. So, as far as pruning goes, I mean, you have two trees that are bent like this directly over

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the house to prune them back. Like even the gutter line, you'd have a stick of wood with a little stick on it. So, I think removing them would be the best bet. Those those two that are closest to the water though are 23 feet from the water. So, I would definitely be setting

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the crane um in the north side of this photo in front of the house, reaching over the house and reaching those two black tupalo trees back there. Same thing with the maple. So, again, we are going to be working inside that welding buffer. No equipment in there.

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>> Want me to bring up the >> stop? Sure. I don't want Okay. And my computer was acting a little funky before, so >> Did you have the pictures from today or No, >> I tried to but like I said, my computer was um

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>> Gotcha. >> It just like I don't know that the program was locking up on me. >> So you had access to get there. No problem. >> Yeah, we we can set up right in the middle of the driveway. It's a stone driveway. >> No, it's all stone. It's all stone. We

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don't have to map the driveway, anything. Probably do a little bit of matting on each side of it. Um but we know we're all underground utilities and everything are there as far as setting up the crane outriggers. So maybe you plan on doing this sooner than later. >> Probably 3 weeks I think now as we're Yeah, we're probably 3 weeks before we

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can get over there. >> Leaving the stumps in place. >> Yeah, I believe so. >> Okay, here's an image. Should I advance? >> That's a maple tree there. >> Okay. That's the fracture that you're talking about. >> Yeah. It's like that on both sides.

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>> That's a You said a co-ominant. >> Yeah. It just splits the two. >> All right. >> That's one of them. >> I'll ex forever. [laughter] >> But you see there's no natural root

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flares to the tree. It's almost like they're they're buried a little bit, you know, close together. >> They're close together. Everything's close together. That's why even like replanting something there would it's going to stretch for sunlight so bad. I don't even think it's worth it. >> Just leave the stumps and Yeah. Yeah.

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There's that's the base of one of them up close. A little bit of root girdling going on. >> And so, >> yep. So, that leaner there. Yep. >> Yep. And then I believe that one right there to the left that's going away. There should be another photo of it. It's either that or is it?

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>> I think it's that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Both of them are like hanging directly >> because there's another one that's leaning but it's leaning right >> towards the neighbor >> which is just land. There's no house. >> Yeah. There you go. >> She looks pretty

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straightforward. >> [clears throat] >> That's pretty clear. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> The right guy to do it and right plan that >> just some silk fencing and by the lake and looks like pretty straightforward.

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>> Do it before it does become an issue. >> You you want silk fence there if even if we're because I mean >> do you envision any debris? >> No, not normally. I mean, if we're grinding the stumps, I would say definitely, but normally we're we're hooking straps like right up and out.

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>> There's no >> no chips flying. >> Nothing. I mean, sawdust from a chainsaw and that's it. That's everything is processed in the front yard and I believe you are going to keep the stumps, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Sounds like a good plan to me. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, any replacement

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see where they could put anything in there really if they're already so close together. to to replant. You mean? >> Yeah. >> You know, normally when you take trees down, you're asked to replace them. >> I was about to put some bushes up or

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something. >> In this particular case, it might be hard to do that, >> right? Yeah. You got 50 feet wide, I think, there too. It's >> you might want rubbery or something if anything. >> Okay. >> Or you'll be looking at stumps. Whatever you like.

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>> That's okay. No, if she decided to grind those stumps for future salt fence in place. >> Okay. Back to the committee, >> right? Back to the committee to if she wanted to grind them. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Probably. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Sorry about the formality, but you

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know, it's try to keep the lake clean, >> right? >> Cool. >> For a motion. >> Yes, we are. And make a motion if I'm negative. >> Okay. And motion from from Dennis second. >> I'll second the motion so Jerry doesn't

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have to. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> All right. Andy made the second. >> All right. >> Roll call vote. >> Andy I norm. >> Jerry I. >> Unanimous vote

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to approve us as a negative determination. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Thank you. So, let's switch now and let's go to

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new no new business item number four. No, I'll get to [clears throat] that. the RDA. >> The RDA for >> 49 drive. >> Is that we just did

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>> we just did that one? >> We just did talking about the the Southard. >> All right. So now we're going to take the RDA for 49 South Longyard Road continuation which is North Pond

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Conservation Area and we're going to combine that with discussion of North Pond Conservation Area site visit with bass fisheries and wildlife please join us the open space committee. Yeah.

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>> You want to discuss the items brought up at the site visit? >> Yeah. Um I wrote up a little blend so I could look at things. It was it was a good site visit. Um very informative.

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Thought we had it. >> What kind of turtle was it? >> Musk turtle. >> Yeah. It's a smaller turtle. Um, they like nesting in the leaf litter and

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apparently, well, they they've they smell musky. >> And they can climb trees. >> Oh, wow. >> So, like if you're claws >> Yeah. If kaying along the shoreline, they're known to just fall into your kayak. >> Wonderful.

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>> I've only found a shell that I haven't seen a live one, but they saw a live one on the during the site visit. >> Yeah. [clears throat] Um, >> so let's see. Um, if I I got everything. So, we had a site visit with myself, Lauren, Elizabeth, and Jen who are the

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grass fisheries and wildlife. We reviewed the project areas and they made some suggestions. So, the work currently being reviewed, the work is currently being reviewed by their boss and they anticipate a response sometime this week. Some suggestions that they made

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were to mix a little bit of sand in the lom to aid with drainage. They're worried about um over time the lom like slouching and just sort of like slipping down the hill. So if you add a little bit of sand in the help with drainage.

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In addition to that they suggest putting logs down along the slope. also to prevent erosion um and strategic felling of trees even in some areas. >> They also mentioned the importance of a

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maintenance plan for this and um making sure that we have the resources to maintain. Um she said that some of their projects that they've done they thought the maintenance span was going to be just five years. Well, it's now moved on to 25 years. >> Yeah. So she also mentioned because of

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the lone being um super careful of invasives and suggesting an invasive species control plan um that would involve possibly herbicides and hand pulling. In addition to that there they suggested

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um a possible alternative to the work that we're proposing and that is to instead of putting lommen in plantings and and watering it all the time and making sure that none of the plantings die. Um suggested she suggested or they

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suggested throwing branches and trees and stones into like the gully areas. over time the soil will build up and even in that that time we can do some like spot planting

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um that might be easier for maintenance. Um and I think that's it. I don't know norm if you want to add anything. The one thing I'm not sure you mentioned when they they said put the logs down,

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>> but they also said put a straw waddle >> straw. Yep. Yeah. Straw waddles in front. So that just like reinforces right >> um >> the potential for erosion and also helps just like slow down the water flow.

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>> Common sense stuff there. >> Common sense. >> Yeah. you know, and I it seems like that there were some good >> suggestions. >> That all kind of fits right into your plan here. So,

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>> so with that, we do have um a project to present. And now we have Palmer here to present it. So you want to talk about I can bring it up on the front. >> It's fine. I'll bring it up.

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Give me a moment. >> It sounds like some things are changing. Really presented today. >> You can absolutely present it. Um I mean those were just suggestions. We haven't made any decisions yet. So we can present um

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what's in the RDA because the RDA submitted >> um and then we'll also take the comments from the state like once we get that official comments um as far as what work is approved and not

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>> allow for modifications. >> Yeah, exactly. So, I mean, I would assume that if we were to go with their suggestion on just simply like throwing branches and logs and stones in the

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gully, it would be less impactful. >> So, I think let me just Here we go. I'm on the RDA. I'm just trying to bring up the

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not there. >> I just wonder if they approved anything. >> I was up there. >> Yes. I was going to wait till you brought it up, but they have a big agenda. Well, but I think they're probably still

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up there at this point. >> Oh, yeah. >> All right. So, these are the three phases proposed in the RDA. Um phase [clears throat] one is the

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southernmost folly. Phase two is right in the center. And phase three in phase three, this one actually has um it looks like the remnants of an old driveway when we walked it. We have some planting plans. Can this is

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a phase one planting plan. Um phase two planting plan. I'm just going to skim through them right now really quickly. Phase three planting plan and then I believe yeah here's the alternate of phase three adding a stone path and

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the reasoning to add the stone path. I don't know if you want >> I think the reason for the stone path was to deter people from walking on a plant and things like that should stay on the stone path instead of >> venturing off and >> destroying what we fixed. >> Exactly. It's already an established

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walking path. people have been using it for years. So, we just want to give them a walking path and have it be stable. >> This um is being reviewed by the state because it would need to be in addition to the approved um trails. So, that's I

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think what they're mowing on right now. wanted things in. Um in addition, this um sort of fencing was proposed on

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the uh phase three walking path above and below I believe. Um so here and this is basically to prevent ATVs from getting through there and ripping up the new that'll be up top of the house top

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and bottom like really needed. >> You going to have side rails on it just to keep them from going around it? >> Yeah, I was just about to ask that. >> Well, there's a fence up there. The top >> at the top. Yeah. >> Yeah. It looks like

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right here. This is fencing. >> So, a little bit of fencing. I mean, it's not going to block it completely. >> Um, >> but it's a deter and there's only so much we can do. So we can go ahead and find this

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negative, you know, with the course of the states approval. I have to approve everything anyway. You can go ahead and find this negative if you want. >> Yes. >> Make a motion by a negative.

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>> So move to the negative. >> Okay. Is making the second? >> I'll second it. >> Okay. Further discussion of debate hearing. None. Roll call vote.

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>> Andy I norm. >> Okay. >> So that means we basically have approved the project as it is written here. >> Um and then once we get those comments back from the state, we'll have a clear

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idea of what we can do. And then I maybe we'll have another meeting on what we want to do, >> right? They may give us further direction or something. >> Yeah. >> So we'll have another the same thing and >> revise it and do another approval

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subject to modification. We just we're going to have to form the waiver just for the commission on it because probably it's done in phases here. It's going to be done in more phases most likely. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm guessing there'll give you stipulations for that path, >> right? >> You know, you can use this kind of

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stone. You may have boulders on it, whatever. >> Did they have any stipulation as far as the phases go? Because we talked about maybe doing three phases throughout the how thorough permitting is good for. >> Did they say anything about like we have to do it all in one year? We can cut it

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out. Nothing like that. >> Yeah, this is good for three years. >> One each year or something. See how the other ones set up and do whatever. They were f they're filing with these and I think they understood that we wanted to try one section first and then see how

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that goes. >> Yeah. >> Um >> yeah. >> No, >> hang on a second. >> Item number three, discussion on appointment recommendations for the open space land management committee and the

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open space and recreation planning committee. What? >> What do we have to discuss on that? I thought we disclosed on that. >> I thought you were the one who told me to put it on there. >> Well, we thought that we were going to

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need to submit something to the select board to recommend. >> Oh, >> for you to get on the select get on the committees. Did they appoint you to both committees or >> so? Um the only one that was on the um agenda today was for the open space recreation planning.

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>> Okay. >> So I'm appointed to that, but I think they tabled it for next for the for the commission for the open space land management. >> They could really use you on land management members and it's hard >> and I let them know. Yeah, I let them know that I'm interested.

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>> A recommendation from us for I take a vote on that. I recommend it for the >> the land management committee. >> Okay, we did that. >> Yeah, we nominated I thought we had it in place for >> Oh, it was for So, we had it for Dennis.

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Yes. >> So, we and we sent a letter specifically saying we wanted Dennis, but we can make a recommendation. >> But she's already gotten appointed to the committee that I'm on. Now, it's the other >> Yeah, there's two open space committee. to >> the land management. The one I'm not on

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that she we need another member on. There's only three right now. And if we make a recommendation to put her on that, they will go to the next select board meeting and sooner the better. I mean, right? Because >> people take time off, you know, three

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people. It's hard. >> One's recreational, one's management, right? Is that the deal? >> One's for just the plan, one's for the like the actual land management. Sure. It's confusing. But that's the way we're going to do it. >> Well, we we can certainly send a recommendation that

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>> would she be as a resident or as a member from the ad committee? >> I mean, I don't know if that >> doesn't matter for the for the uh management because they there's no requirements on that. >> That's just for the

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>> Yeah, I let them know upstairs when they brought it up. I let them know that I was interested in both and they weren't they weren't planning on it because it wasn't on the agenda. So they did appoint me for the planning recreation planning and I mentioned I'm still going

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to be on the adcom but it's two separate things. So you know although we work together because of the action items >> you have any meetings set up for the uh open space plan committee yet? >> The the vice chair is out still. I don't know when he's going to be available. I'm actually probably going to hit it

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with an email today or tomorrow and try not to bother. >> But you guys are going to have an informal meeting with the uh >> Oh yeah, you're >> Valley Planning. So that's right. >> You got grant money. >> Yeah, they email about time. So we gota I guess >> Yeah. And that should be fine. You by

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yourself. Yeah. Yeah. without >> hopefully by the next meeting we can the vice chair be back and we'll be able to set something up where we can get to at least get to know what's going on. >> Yeah, >> we're actually going to be working with them with the act on too the planning

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pioneer valley planning >> for the farmers >> really >> conservation of farmers. Yeah. But in the fall so >> but yeah that's that's great that they're working with you guys. Yeah. >> Put us out. >> Bert's still the chair.

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>> Uh, no, he stepped down. Um, but Zach is the chair. >> Zack's the chair. >> Yeah, but Bert's still with us. >> That's good. >> He's a he's a vital member, [laughter] you know. >> Yep. >> Well, I did have a question unrelated to

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that this subject, but North Pond entrance area. Historically, I have we lacked that to keep the grass down, but I've noticed someone else has mowed it this year. >> Yes. >> Who it is? >> Steve. >> Steve. >> He's our Steve guy.

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>> Okay. >> He's doing that in the Senowski. >> Okay, great. >> Yeah. [laughter] >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay, good. Thank you. >> Yep. I guess it drives him insane when he drives by and it's like the grass is high. >> Yeah. So, [laughter]

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>> it's great that he does that. >> He's our uh buildings and grounds um I guess department head, so he's in charge of all of that. And >> yeah, >> yeah, >> he was going to do the trash also, but

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he he's just he doesn't have the time for that. Yeah, >> we have a budget for that. All right. >> 15,000. That's on another line item to talk about. What's Marty Wait supposed to be on the agenda? >> I'm new to this. So, [clears throat]

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>> do you do you want to speak? >> I guess I was supposed to talk in the beginning maybe. >> Oh, >> well, you can come home now. >> Yeah. >> Well, I got the letter, but she emailed me today. They sent it certified, but it went to Panama Heist Association PO box. So, I never got the letter. So, I called

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up today. Hey, I never got that certified letter. He said you would send me. Oh, I can email it to you. That'd be a better way to get it. So anyway, >> once you come up already, >> Kevin, >> did you sign in? >> Yes. >> Okay.

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>> Um, >> so you guys approved us to get the sand after they fix the swale, >> right? >> So basically, I'm asking when are they going to fix the swale? Excuse me. >> I know somebody from the town was down there looking at it, but he just passed

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the buck to somebody else. We were going to ask for an update from you. >> I did. And then I also said that you wanted to have a meeting with them and I I put you guys all in one email and it's, you know, they haven't said anything. >> Okay. >> This the town

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>> This is a town DPW. >> Yeah. Is that the town engineer? >> We don't have a town engineer. >> Just DPW. Yeah. We used to We used to have an engineer that works for the town. We don't anymore. But

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So that's working for Westville now. >> Jump ship, huh? >> He's on the planning board now. So, but anyways. Yeah. So, that's that. >> Anyway, we got to rattle some trees

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there or do something, Norm, to try to get these. >> Let's put Dick Cordell's in charge of that. He He's good at shaking trees. >> He sure is. >> I don't know if you want to send an email, Norm. >> Yep. Well, >> I might be too nice. [laughter]

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>> I'll take care of you. >> Take care of the email. >> Okay. >> So, anyways, next time if there is something, you'll include me >> in the mail in the mail in so I know when to come or whatever because I looked at this and I go, "Oh, I'm not on here." [clears throat]

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>> It continued from last month. >> Ultimately think I saw Braen drive. I thought, >> "Yeah, I saw that too." once your RDA was was basically given a negative determination like that's the end of your hearing. So you're taken off of the agenda.

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>> Um but >> that also screwed me up too because negative of what's >> negative wording it. Yeah. Negative means bad to me. You know >> like medical that's a good thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You tested negative >> tested negative for your project.

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>> You're good to go captain. >> Yeah. Um, but yeah, I can put it back on the agenda for next time and we'll just keep >> I'll keep coming back until somebody does something. >> Cool. >> I got nothing. >> Make sure it happens.

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>> You're just watching things, right? Yeah. >> All right. >> Appreciate your diligence. Thank you. >> Okay. Now, the next item back on new business is discussion of dock usage in Turtle Cove in South Pond.

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>> Hey guys. Yeah, >> I think Are we done with Conor? >> Yes, I think we're done with Conor. [clears throat] >> All right, guys. Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> I I got something I can share on this one. If you don't have it,

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move forward. One second. >> Go ahead and share away from the share button. No. >> Thank you. Okay, this is an interesting phenomenon.

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We have last year we approved for 170 Mayflower right here a dock right here. Okay.

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And I got pictures I can show you in a minute. What we have here on lot 61 is not a waterfront property. But what we didn't know is they have deed access to the lake.

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>> Okay. Which I believe is down Mayflower. Yeah, I think it's through that. >> Okay. >> Now, this since 1982, this family in lot 61

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has had a dock, an illegal dock on Turtle Cove. Okay. >> Yep. >> We knew a dock was there. We didn't know who it belonged to. We're trying to figure it out. They never submitted an LP application.

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>> Okay. So, so when we approved 170, they wanted to put their dock back in and they asked the owner of 170 if they could put it in and it was denied by the neighbor. >> That's the new house, right? >> That's the new house.

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>> Yeah. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> So, this is the dock that we approved. last year. Okay. Right. And there's where it looks. It fits in with 170. Right. Okay.

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This is the dock that they put in last year along with their boat, which pretty much almost follows sketch, but it had their sketch had two entrances from land and this one only has one. Right. >> This is then Turtle Cove. >> Turtle Cove. >> Yep.

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>> Okay. Then this year came along and they added three more boats. >> Wow. >> And their LP application is asking for a total of four boats. >> Okay. Okay. >> So, the the owner of lot 61

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says they have now lost their access to the lake. Okay. Now, LMC has gone through this quite a bit, but they're only a recommending body. Okay. >> Sure. >> And they feel that they don't deserve a

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dock because lake access doesn't guarantee them a dock. >> Okay. >> When you say they were guaranteed water from an access, was that in their deed? It was in their deed, >> which is in Connecticut. >> It is.

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>> Which is in Connecticut. Okay. >> Okay. >> So, what happens when they try to get access? They get thrown off or >> they have not said that. >> They have not said that. >> Okay.

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But LMC says LMC is says that they should not have a dock >> and that >> who's >> that lot 61. >> Lot 61. >> You're not entitled to a dock. >> Right. and that they believe that it's a civil matter. Yeah. Between 61 and 170,

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right? >> Yeah. That would seem to be because it's Connecticut and Massachusetts has jurisdiction on the lake, not the land. >> Yeah. >> You know, what you do to get to the lake is kind of your business. >> Yeah. It would be a civil matter no matter what state it's in, right?

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Because that's Yeah. they're if they're getting not access to what says something in their deed, then they need to take that up with lawyers. And the >> So, we have the same interesting um issue on Lake View. So, all of the

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houses on one side of Lake View has it in the deed to have this little section on North Pond. >> Yeah. >> And one of us during the year takes care of it. We have this agreement, but it's not association. It's just written in our deed. So, um, along the way there

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was a dock out there a long time ago and since got broken or whatever and we weren't allowed to put another dock out there. We have a little small little pier, you know, that's there. But we take care of it. we go down there, you know, it's just a swimming area. But if

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that would be an issue if the person next door, which he was building, we thought that he was going to croach on the piece of property that's thereact, but he didn't, which was great. So, we had no issue. But, >> you know, in futures, like, how does somebody know

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>> if any other houses in that area have the access on their deed? I guess you'd have to look it up before you who actually owns the land. That's a difficult call. >> That dock was right at the end of Lake View Street, right? That >> Yep. >> And it should have been a community

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dock. It shouldn't have been a place. >> Exactly. Yeah. But we weren't No one put the application out to rebuild. So, it just got it's just now a little swimming area >> with no dock, but it has a little little for the kids to go up on and fish from it, you know.

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>> Can you put that map back up? So, it's it's almost the same kind of thing where you don't know what the other property has until you dig in and see the two places on North Pond >> that >> Yeah. >> one guy has access and the guy next to

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it doesn't have access. >> It's possible. Yeah. >> Lawsuits and court cases. Right. Right. >> Very convoluted. >> I mean, so it is, hey, here's it's on my deed. We do have access. So, but it's I could have >> out of the hands of conservation. That's

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interesting doubt about that. >> My question may may apply to you too. That's why I'm bringing it up. >> Yeah. >> Who actually owns the land that the these people want to put their dock in, >> right? Yeah. That's >> I mean that that would seem to me they are the ones that are legally

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>> able to put a dock in. It would have to be negotiated. Well, I'm seeing a big gray area there. Well, who owns all that? >> That that gray area is still part of 53. It's just >> it's just the way that the tree has lakefront access. They're the ones that

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>> all that gray is 53s. >> Just follow the >> It's got the line around it. Yeah. >> 61 doesn't 61 has >> Well, who see 61? Who owns that gray area? >> There's another um that's another lot owned by another person, a separate

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person. >> It would seem to me they could negotiate with them >> possible. >> Yeah, >> but this is all swampy. >> It is all swampy swampy. Yeah, >> that's why that gray is there >> is probably the firmst spot to stand on down there. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah.

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Well, I mean that would be my only saying like who actually owns the land and that seems to be the legal >> I agree with like management. That's totally a civil case. >> Yeah. It's probably not our perview here. >> You're not going to we're not going to give them a permit, >> right? >> 51's not going to get a dock permit.

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Correct. >> But 53 has got a permit for that. Yes, they do. >> And the three boats that are out there >> up to four, I think. >> There's up to four on this application. >> So, they're doesn't quite

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>> doesn't quite match the actual talk, but it's pretty close. >> Yeah. >> So, 61 wants to take it up for 53 and land court or get a lawyer or something. >> Yeah. >> Privilege. >> You know, some of the language that was written back in the day is not exactly

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binding loosely. Oh, you're entitled to this. What? >> You know, >> it's it depends. >> What What's the definition for access? >> Yeah, it's you shouldn't have been written into a deed. I mean, a lot of even on our side, there's some things written in there that say, you know,

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you're entitled to this and well, that was in the 40s. So, I'm not sure that things are still legal, so that should be looked at by, you know, lawyers. Holly, you're unmuted. Do

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you want to say something? >> Well, we are the land owner for 170 Mayflower Lane. So, was brought to our attention that this was going to be discussed at the meeting. Um, and regarding the water access in order to get to the lake, we have never denied

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anybody and actually have had a conversation with the Falia who was asking for the dock. um told her anytime she wanted to put in kayaks, paddle boards, anything, don't even ask. We would not care at all. Go ahead and use

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it at any time. But we did not have dock space that they um bought a boat. They bought a pontoon boat after we put in our dock and asked us if they could use the dock, rent from us and we informed them that they couldn't, that we already

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were full. Um, that it's for our boats and a family member and we weren't putting in any more docks because it's a very tight area. Um, it's extremely mucky. It's hard to get in and out of as it is. Um, so as far as dock space, no,

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we did we cannot give them that. But we would never, you know, tell anyone that they can't walk down and get into the water. By all means, if they want to get in the water there, they there is access for them. We would not deny that. >> Okay, fair enough.

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>> Yeah. >> So, I think it's more of a dock thing than water access. >> Yep. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. uh enlightening us on that. >> No, and I appreciate your time, too. We just wanted to, you know, listen in and

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see what we were up against as well. So, thank you. >> Okay. Just wanted to bring that to everybody's attention. >> And let's go back to our agenda then. Let's see. >> Number four. Number four, project

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started at seven South Longard Road. >> Yes. So, trees have been cut down. Um, this past Thursday, I went on site visit with DPW and Press View and we talked um about

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erosion controls. Um, so they should be putting up erosion controls if they haven't already right now. Um, I told John he's going to be the erosion control monitor. So, he's nominated. So, if you guys want to accept that nomination, he does plan to closely

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monitor the area because we all know how sandy those soils are and how easily they can erode. So, >> I think he'd be the best person to monitor. >> Yep. >> Make a motion to approve John Card. >> I'll second that.

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>> Okay, we have a motion and seconded. Roll call vote. Andy, >> more area. >> Where the motion control is going to go >> towards the brook? Near the brook. >> They're going to be near the brook. And

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I think um actually like um an increments. >> Uhhuh. Yeah. >> And reinforced. >> With with some straw bales. >> Some sort of tiered thing or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. You're going to need it. That makes >> sense. Yeah. Otherwise

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>> it is. >> Okay. Glad that project is started. >> Yes, that's good. Progress is being made on that in a lot of years. Long time. >> It already looks like very different now. They've gone down there, removed

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the trees. I sent you guys some images. >> Okay. Old business. Rising corner New England Trail floating bridge update. anything new to report on that? >> Um, for me, I did speak with Dick uh Mc Reynolds. He suggests 316 1- in

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stainless steel bar stock 8 ft long. Um, he said he was not positive on a way to actually get the old ones out and said that Andy Rearen had a good suggestion. >> Yep. um which is to lay down some timbers to prevent denting of the the

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dock surface and to use a a clamp on the bar and try to pry it up. >> The jack. >> A jack. >> Yeah. >> Um and he suggests contacting the original installers andor the ones who did the repairs to get more information from them. So that's all he's got.

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>> We did the repairs and the original people that installed it were >> painted. Long gone, I believe. Yeah. >> Well, the the gentleman that has done some work on this project, I've forgotten his name,

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>> Dick. >> Um Benoi, >> he was able to remove a couple of those. >> Yeah. >> Galvanized pipes. >> Yeah. >> If if he's got a method of removing it, it's easier than than Andy's.

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>> He's an engineer. >> Yeah. Can you contact him to find out how are you going to be able to >> I don't have his contact information. >> Okay. >> Um if you want I could ask his daughter works in the clerk's office. >> Oh yeah. >> I could ask uh Lucy, but I don't know if

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Dennis has >> Oh, Lucy's his daughter. >> Lucy's his daughter. >> Lucy's his daughter. I didn't know that. >> I think the bigger question was where to come up with the stainless steel rods, >> right? Yeah. >> Yeah. And Dick said that maybe some one

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of the companies down at Hudson Drive could donate it, but I don't know anybody there to I don't know. I don't have any connections is what I'm trying to say. I don't know if anyone else does. >> Ask if he knows who we can get in touch with, you know, even if we have to pay for him.

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>> Okay. >> Then we'll put Dick in charge. He's willing to do it. He's he lives there and he knows what he's doing. >> You're saying >> okay discussion of 159 Bergkshire A

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stand the date's been set. Um, hold on. I'm just trying to write some notes. Any contact about uh yeah, John Goddard has connected with the engineer and he set a

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date for himself telling the planner. Um, who else? I think that was it. And then he had offered a you know conservation to come along. I can't make it. I will

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be out of town that weekend on that. >> Um >> 12. >> Yes. >> I said I would go, but if you want to go I'll go with you. >> I'll go with you too if I can make it. >> Well, I don't I don't know if it we should limit it or not, but I just

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>> it's more so the the meeting is more for DPW. It's not necessarily conservation, but it's good to have someone from conservation to put some eyes out there and also introduce ourselves because I've never met this engineer. Um, just

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to sort of build a rapport um at least. >> Norm, are you do you know the gentleman who have you met him before? >> No. >> Then you should go then I don't they don't I don't have a good rapport with those people. So

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>> Okay. Who is it? Um, >> Dere is it Derek Hail is the engineer. >> He's the engineer. The engineer of the owner of the place is >> starts with an L. Well, I don't I I I did go

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uh to board of appeals meeting to discuss some issues that >> Yeah. >> was against the owner. So, I have I have seen him in person, >> but he waited out in the parking lot for me one day. So,

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>> Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Tomorrow >> benefits of conservation commission coordinators, people like you. >> Oh, yeah. Real real popular going to be. >> Yeah. >> Right.

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Discussion on seasonal trash removal. Any update on that? >> So, we did get the $1,500 in our budget. Um, I reached out to Nine to try to figure out what the process was. um person would need to submit an

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application past a porei and then um also there's one thing I like do a seasonal seasonal agreement need to sign a seasonal agreement I had somebody in mind I contacted them last week they are not interested so we are open to

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suggestions for someone to do the work I think it's still $20 an hour for a couple of hours a week and they would need to have their own like truck with a dump sticker.

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>> Tapers though, huh? >> Yeah, not yet. I mean, I do have one other person in mind, but I don't know if they would be interested or if they're able to. >> I will continue to keep an eye on it.

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move it as needed, but prefer to like you not have to volunteer to do it. >> And we still have Bert, I believe, doing Sonowski. >> Yes. >> That one at least. >> I have a question. Um, do you guys have signage about lettering and things like

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that on the properties? >> Uh, some of them at least. >> I know. So, has a >> They all have trash bars. >> Yeah, they all do. in the matter of them using it would be another question. You know, people

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visiting. >> Well, usually people are pretty usually people are pretty good with throwing the trash in the bins, but they >> Yep. >> fill up really quickly, especially like a nice weekend. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Um and especially on the properties that have access to some type of water,

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right? >> So like the North Pond property, the Granville Gorge Gorge is a big one, which is actually probably worse than North Pond. >> Okay. tried to go without a barrel there, but then the people just spread it all over the place. At least there's a barrel there. >> It's a suggestion of

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>> It's probably easier for us to pick up the trash in one place then. >> Yep. Yeah. >> Diapers in there. It's crazy. Are they actually using the barrels? They're not leaving it on the land. They're using the barrels most of the >> around the barrel. Yeah.

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>> Well, as they're leaving in there and spreads it around, too. Yeah. >> No, I know Steve maintenance um maintenance and our buildings and grounds. He goes to the ground a lot with his family and he will pick up a lot of the trash that's like down by the water. Oh.

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>> And bring it and bring it up. >> Wow. >> We get him his weed whacker. Yeah, >> we do. Yes. Yes. So, he's doing um Senowski and like we said the North Pond property. >> Fantastic. >> So, we've got the weed whacker for him. Yeah. >> Or whatever. It's somewhat like a weed whacker. Whatever he got he wanted, he

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got like Yeah. take it. I know Bert does take care of the garden area and I I'm sure he goes around and I know Martha takes care of the bird feeders there. Um >> used to have a company go in there and mow around the garden but they were

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going in there six seven times and >> oh without expensive. >> I mean it was great. It looked great. >> I'm sure >> but it was getting pretty expensive cuts. It's just >> we don't need for that either, >> right? Yeah. If we've got the manpower

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here, we're saving ourselves like $1,000 a year. That's great. Yeah. >> Somebody's been asking me about blue barrels out there. Do you know anything what those are used for? >> Blue barrels. >> Blue birds.

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>> Blue barrels. >> Barrels. Well, there's water there's water containers, but they're inside the garden um that they stacked on top of each other for the >> water. Um >> does a well still work out there? >> Uh we're getting a solar powered one, so

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we just approved that. So, solar powered one is going in. >> The handle was broken for a while, wasn't it? >> Yeah, I believe so. Um and so, um yeah, blue barrels. I'm not sure. >> Probably rain barrels. Uh, it could be because there's a rain barrel project

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with a DPW, so maybe that's what it is. Um, other than that, I haven't been there since I we did that community garden cleanup, but I can ask Bart. >> Um, see what he says. It's possible >> because the DPW is um trying to promote

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that again. >> You have to pay for it, but I mean, I think it's a great box. >> Yeah, it's not bad. I just about two of them. So >> major hassle to carry water out there. >> Yeah, for sure. Yep. Especially from the pump to the but the irrigation system

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that they're working on is going to be awesome. So >> with the two stacked up, >> they're like they use it for maple >> uh storage. Maple syrup. Yeah. But they're not used for they're >> installer so they don't have to hook up to the power line.

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>> Exactly. So think about drip air. Have they talked about drip irrigation out there or is that just too much? >> No, I think that's what they're planning on doing with it. So, >> that would be awesome if they could do that, you know. But

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>> I'll ask I'll ask that question, too. >> Awesome. >> Okay. Next item, the wetland bylaw. We'll keep on the table the 485 Lake View Drive, Connecticut retaining wall. Nothing new

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to report there. And the last Sfield Conservation Commission meeting was cancelled. >> Oh, was that the one that they were going to talk about Doug's property? >> Yes. Okay. >> Mountain Road. Okay. >> Yes. >> That should be a week from tomorrow.

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>> Okay. >> Should be the last one. >> And he has basically I want to say he's like 98% finished with his notice of intent like filling it out and everything. I looked over again today and there only a couple things suggestions I had for him.

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>> So, he's almost ready to submit that. >> Do we have anything from the conservation coordinator that hasn't been discussed yet? >> Yeah, I have a couple of things. Uh, so we've had 2011 Granville Road and

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that one like Norm, you went a site visit, Andy went a site visit, >> Bob went on a site visit. We all went there and it was with um Gloria and Peter and she has since come in and we were bouncing off ideas talking about

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the um what work she's done, what work she needs to do. She is hiring Heather Comey um to do a wetland delineation and I was a little confused on um the covert area and what had been done out

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there. So I reached out to Mass D and I said, "Does this need to be a notice of intent? Like what what are your what's your opinion on it?" And he said, "Well, with the work that has been done, it doesn't it wouldn't be permitted with a notice of intent." And then he he

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brought me back to the U performance standards for bank because that's ultimately what was altered. It was the bank. and he said he suggests that um some type of restoration. So maybe removing some of the rocks and do plantings and

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have that be done under an enforcement order. Um but there still they still want to do some work like resurfacing the driveway. So, I'm wondering if if we should do an enforcement order for the covert work, have them do um a a

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restoration plan and then for the other work which is like basically to clean up the grading that had been over there and then the resurfacing of the driveway if that should be done under an RDA. >> Yes. >> You think so? do the enforcement order.

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It required Heather Comey or somebody to do >> and come back with a plan to restoration plan. Put in some timelines in there. >> Okay. >> And then add that you'll have to come back for additional permitting to

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actually do the work and just to get it get it going. >> Okay. So, I'll write that I'll write that up and I'll contact um the homeowners, let them know that that's now the plan.

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>> Um, and I don't know if you want me to send it via email or if you want to review it at our at the next meeting. I Oh, that's another thing. I won't be here at the next meeting, but if you want, you can review at the next meeting and um we can uh you can let me know.

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>> Just email it to us and we'll we'll review it for you. Okay, >> the next meeting is >> the 15th >> um yeah, so I will not be at the next meeting

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and going on vacation for once. Um and then we did get something in the mail today. It was from um somebody who lift off lives off of Sunnyside Road. And it was basically um all of these mosquito

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control pamphlets. And with that, there was a note. It says, "Dear Commission, can't we ban home owners use of these pollinator destroying chemicals?" So, this was just

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>> a suggestion, I suppose, from >> they kill pollinators. >> I can I can I don't know, but I can only assume if it kills mosquitoes, it probably kills other things. >> Um, so that was >> the problem with the bees, you know,

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getting insect. >> I didn't know that either. >> We have several in our neighborhood that are using mosquito. I'm not sure if it's in within our purview or has to go through the board of health or >> as far as suggesting to ban. >> If I see the guy, I'll ask him if his

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stuff kills bees. >> He comes around. >> You do that. You walk right up to that. Does your stuff kill bees? [laughter] >> He, you know, he comes around spot does it once a month for a couple of the local clients. >> Yeah. >> Of course, I think I know what the

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answer will be, but you know. >> Yeah. I mean, you think if it kills mosquitoes, it >> probably would kill other people. >> A lot of times they kill mosquitoes and ticks. So, I would imagine that's >> might be something commission want to get on board, too.

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>> Oh, I agree with that. Yeah, >> that never dawned on me. Yeah, but makes sense. >> Yeah. >> What is is it all the same company that you got those flyers from, or is it >> No, they're all different companies, so they must be sending them all to her house. >> That's interesting.

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Every single one is different. >> Some towns do have prohibitions or some kind of regulations that we could look into what other towns are doing. >> I know Montigue is using something particular cuz my aunt >> garlic some type of garlic stuff like that more natural. Yeah. So there are

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options out there. You know >> the out in Cape Cod um over in that area it's very buggy. >> They need to use insecticides because that they carry diseases. It's a board of health thing. >> Mosquitoes, gnats, ticks.

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>> Yeah. Oh, one other thing. Um Martha from Open Space, she has been working with the bluebird boxes on the Silfanowski property. You know, she she got me involved. She got the neighbors, the great guay gu the guays involved. We got Steve from

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buildings and ground. So, we're all on the same page about mowing at the right time. Oh, >> and um last week Martha went and checked the bird boxes. The one the bird box at by the community garden, it looks like the bird the baby

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birds did fledge and they survived. But the one over by the field, it looks like they were attacked by house sparrows. So, so she thinks that and she said there's a lot of house sparrows out there and there's going to have there would have to be a lot of community

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effort with the neighbors and maybe possible some eradication of the house sparrows in that area um in order for the bluebirds to have like a fighting chance. So, she suggests actually to just like not do the blue bird boxes on

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the property because it's you're basically sentencing these things to death. >> Yeah. >> Sad. That's it. >> It is. We're all rooting for the baby birds, right? [laughter] >> Kellogg these videos about the sparrows. You take them by the legs and you whack

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them. >> I mean, I'm glad somebody's like trying to observe what they're doing and win timing, you know, things like that, which is great. But, you know, it's it's one more thing to realize [clears throat] there's other things going on, you know,

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and you know, >> and the house the house pharaoh apparently is an invasive species. I I don't know that much about birds, so this is >> there's a lot of them. >> Yeah. >> Seen all the time. And blue jays, too. Blue jays will attack the eggs. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Are blue jays native? Blue jays are native.

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>> Yeah, they're native, but they're squawky and they kill eggs. All right. >> Did you have anything else? >> I think that's it from me. >> Okay. We have got the minutes from our last meeting. >> No 18th

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at the minute. >> Andy, while they're reviewing, just FYI, could you please stop by the office at some point to sign everything? >> Sure. >> Thank you. >> Got any comments on the minutes, Andy?

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I wasn't at that meeting. That was the the last meeting. I just wasn't there >> either, but they look good. >> I make a motion to approve the minutes unless you have anything. >> Yeah, I don't have anything. >> Good. Again, they they look perfect.

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Okay. Rene does a wonderful job. Made the motion. I second that. We'll call a vote. >> I I wasn't at the last meeting. I don't think I can vote on them. Right. Technically, you're correct. Well,

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if you if you review the vid the tape of the meeting, it that would be fine, but probably you probably haven't done that. >> No, not yet. >> I read the minutes. That's all I >> So, we'll have to uh this to the next meeting.

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>> Okay. >> Approval of anybody got anything else? I'll take a motion to amend. Move to adjurnn. Second that roll call. >> Andy I

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>> that is I. >> Nor I. >> Yes. >> Good night everybody. >> Close the meeting at 8:28 p.m. Good night all. Thank you. >> Thank you Nor. Night. >> Perfect. And good night. Good night Andy.