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Hey, we are going to call the conservation commission meeting for July 7 to order. It's a combination zoom and in person and we'll open up by taking attendance

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starting with Andy Andy Renu Chver Jerry Patriot Kevin Sol Garby John Petro. >> Please note that we do have a quorum. First item is public comment. Anybody in the public would like to

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speak about anything that's not on the agenda? >> We have anybody on? >> Nope. >> Okay, then we'll move right on to our first public hearing, which is a notice of intent. >> That one I'm sorry, it starts at 7:10.

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>> 7:10. >> Yep. >> So, we got 10 minutes. >> Okay. We have no minutes to approve. Yes. Well, let's see what we can do here. Let's do the first item under new business, discussion of 25 island, possible violation.

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>> Um, Nick is not here right now. Um, I asked him to join the meeting. So, Nick is the owner of 25 Island Way. um that property is under an LLC and the address of that

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LLC is in Awam and he only goes to that address once a month or something. So he got both the first letter and second letter at the same time and once he did that he uh contacted me. Um what he had said is that the clearing uh the

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vegetation clearing along the um the the hill that was done before he had bought the property. um and any dock improvements that had happened. It was just the upper decking that was replaced. So, nothing um touching the

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ground. And then, um however, there is a deck extension um that was put in. And I can't remember if he said he used saw tubes or not for those. Um to this date, I don't think we got any

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dock or boat permits for that, but he's aware that he needs to. um apply for those. And >> is that on the north side of the island or something? >> Yes.

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Taylor. Okay. >> I have pictures if you guys want to see the pictures. >> It's pretty substantial. >> You want to look at them? If we got time, we tilt that after. >> Pull them up. >> I'll pull them up. >> We got We got an old one on there. Mhm.

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>> You see the difference? >> Did he happen to tell you the date that he bought the house? >> It was sometime last fall, I believe, cuz Nick Taylor was there in the summer. >> So, I saw Nick.

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>> Okay. It went from Nick Taylor to another Nick. >> Yeah. >> Holy [ __ ] So cleared the land before he left >> apparently. All right. So this one is an image from 200.

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>> Hello. >> Hello. >> Who are you? >> My name is Nick. >> Perfect. Come aboard. We're talking about 25 island way right now. Oh, could you please just sign in? Yep. >> Perfect timing. Uh,

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what is this? Okay, >> this is the older picture back from >> August of 22 right there. >> Yeah. >> So, and this is the house. This is the dock here.

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>> I think this this tree is still there. The >> birch. Yeah. And then this is what a couple months ago. >> Yes. >> Okay. So, this is that tree. Um here's the the dock. And then this is the

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extension of the um deck and then the cleared >> area. So, this is Nick Blaze. Is that how you pronounce your last name? He's the new owner of the property. >> Okay. >> And you bought the place a lot of fall, would you, Nick?

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>> Last Yeah. End of fall, early winter, I believe. Yeah. >> Okay. Did >> you flip back to the 22 just to see if there are any trees that are actually missing? >> Looks like there's a couple. How's it looking now as far as

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vegetation? Is it starting to grow back or >> It's all like super invasive >> weeds everywhere. >> Do you know what species? I've looked them up a like a couple times and I forget the names of them, but they're

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like growing like wildfire just everywhere. >> Okay. >> Probably bittersweet, >> I guess, too. >> Are they viny? >> No, they used to be native stuff and it's just >> I mean, it's all over like the top like on the lawn every like everywhere. It's

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growing like crazy. But um yeah, the last owner cleared everything the whole hillside I'm assuming >> prior to the sale. So it it would look more appealing obviously. Um and I actually wanted to talk to a little bit

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about even doing work on the hillside cuz I have plans to do work but just you know more so because of all the invasive stuff is just like growing like crazy and I want to be able to manage it. Um but yeah so I don't know where to go

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from here. Any comments from the commission? >> Like to put eyes on it and see what's actually growing. Matt, >> I might have a couple pictures of the stuff that's growing.

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I was under the impression that you could remove invasics without without convers. >> Well, yeah. So the plan like depending on budget and you know what I can get from guys to go and do work and stuff.

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The plan, I've done some research, but my plan originally was to put down there's like erosion control matting. Put that down, staple it into the ground. And then there's um I've seen two different types of

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uh soil like erosion control like for preventive maintenance where there's a GL cell where it's like a big web and it has uh peripherations where you know the water can seep through but then you can put like natural stone or you can put

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soil in it so it retains everything and then you put big stakes down to kind of hold it onto the hillside cuz You can't really tell the the slope of that right now, but it's like insanely steep. >> Yeah. >> Um, so either that or there's these

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other uh they look like half moons where you stake both the sides in and it's kind of like a like a half circle. I've seen those actually fail more often than the webbing. So that was kind of lean towards the gel grid. Um, and I have a picture of that if you guys want to see

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that too. And that would be just that would be on the hillside or >> Yeah, the hillside all the way down till uh probably 3 or 4 feet back above from the water. >> Uhhuh.

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>> Just cuz uh the last three or four feet at the bottom with the wake boats, >> especially even like the five or six or seven months that I've owned it, you can tell like the huge wakes that are coming by and I'm kind of like stuck out if you look on the map. Um the island is

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actually like out from like into the middle pond. So I get the brunt of everything. So you have three 4 foot wakes that are coming by with huge wake boats that are just like smashing into the side and everything's pulling pulling pulling.

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So >> are you contemplating a retaining wall of some sort? >> Yes. Um I just don't know. depending on cost. That's I mean I'd love to do one. Um and I've looked into a couple different options whether

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that's vinyl or >> maybe like a concrete retaining wall with like natural stone in front of it. So then it doesn't it's not like creating uh a massive break in a bunch of like servant. >> But I have to look a little bit more into

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that to be honest. >> Yes, you're right. The waves will nail you every every season, every year. to stop. >> There were some good examples of people that put pretty nice walls up. You know, as you go around the lake, you see some of them are stone, some are driven in piles,

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>> and they're all pretty effective. Not cheap, but they do work. >> Yeah. >> So, that might be something to think about. Plus, it keeps the junk from flying into the lake. >> Yeah. >> Which is important. >> That's I also want to talk to you guys about that is like what is preferred by the community? Um like what do you guys

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think is the most effective? What have you guys seen in the past that works the best? You know, >> I've done a bunch of research, but it's more so like I've seen a lot more research on seaw walls >> uh on the ocean side of things. >> Yeah. >> Which is just totally different, you

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know. >> So, well, the rip wrap is is highly effective. The problem with just a straight wall is you'll get erosion underneath

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>> and you'll get erosion around the sides, but the vinyl sheeting works well, >> but your neighbors will get in the area. >> We get some of those. >> I think I saw one on South Pond. I'm not sure if it's metal or if it's vinyl, but

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it looks really well. I mean, it looks really good. I don't know how it's like color totally, but it looks good. Um, but yeah, I can if I can put something up and then maybe put like natural stone in front of it to kind of like, you know, break up waves a little

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more. But like even the main dock in the bottom maybe >> that's been there since like the mid80s I want to say. And the way they built it is I don't know if you can zoom in, but um the way they built it is kind of like at an angle. So see how it's kind of

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like chopped up in a certain sections. So where all the waves come, it slowly breaks it up and it kind of dissipates as it goes along, which is good. >> Oops. >> It would would there would need to be engineering and then there's just

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paperwork. Notice of a question for termination and then a notice of intent. It's pretty simple paperwork >> for the retaining wall >> for Yeah. All that really. >> Okay. >> Even for like the hill the rock hillside. >> Yeah. Yeah. If they give us at least drawings of what you intend to do.

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>> Yeah. >> You might get some good ideas, too. Engineering companies are used to this kind of thing. They may say, "Well, you can do this, this, or this." And they'll give you price options and things. It might just to see what your options are. >> The problem is there's a sense of urgency here because we're getting every

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time it rains, you're getting erosion off that hill. >> True. Yeah. And I was hoping to do the hillside at least this year and then looking to, you know, retain a little either later this year or early next

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year uh to help with the like bottom, you know, 3 ft back from the water. Um but yeah, the goal is for this year to do the hillside um with the uh gel.

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>> How about a double silt fence in the interim with h bales in between straw bands rather? >> Yeah. I mean, I'm not opposed to it. >> I mean, that's quick and dirty, right? >> Yeah. It's just the the only hard part is the slope itself.

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>> It seems so steep. I know it is. What about straw waddles? >> Straw waddles are good, but they're small >> and that's deep. Then they can overcome just right over. >> You can get a silk fence that sticks up 3 ft. >> Oh, there's a reinforced silk fence that

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has like wire backing to it. That might be a good a good tactic there. >> I don't even know when they put that block retaining wall in. I'm assuming like I don't even know how they got all the concrete over there for the retaining wall on the top. I mean it like >> it may have gone through in the

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neighbors >> or overight. I mean it was like I don't I have no clue how they did it but and the other hard part is access. >> Mhm. >> So like there's on the right hand side there's

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four or five feet on the left hand side you really only have that staircase. So, I was thinking about getting, you know, a mini skid steer with a bucket and renting some other equipment, but we have to go over the bridge. I'm

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not sure if you guys are familiar with the bridge. >> What bridge? >> Yeah. So, we had to go over the bridge, which is only 60 wide. So, only get a mini X in there. >> And then >> it likes golf carts, not heavy duty stuff. And I have a a side by side which

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is helpful but like you can bring up a quarter a yard at a time and that hillside's probably going to take 80 yards. >> So I think about you guys a lot. Every time you need a furnace or refrigerator or something you have to lug it across that little bridge. >> Yeah. And furniture up there was a

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fantast like along the shoreline. A cheaper route to to sort of holding that in place could be to put to plant like blueberry bushes, button bushes to get that all planted in.

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>> Um >> what's what's your focus with this? What's your big picture? Because I I don't understand. There's there's looks like they got a lot of stuff going on both on the left side that looks stable and the right side that's totally unstable. So what is what do you plan on

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doing with this exactly? >> Yeah. So originally like as soon as I bought it or right before I bought it the whole hillside was cleared. There was nothing there. Like absolutely nothing. >> Okay. >> So that stuff has all grown back in. >> Um >> this is how it was when you bought it.

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>> No. So this is actually a couple months after when was this? >> I mean the bolts in. So it's got to be I brought it beginning winter time. So, um, but the goal is to put the geo cell along the entire hillside, stabilize the

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entire hillside, just so I don't have to worry about it. I don't have problems in the future. There's not a bunch of, you know, erosion and stuff going down the bottom. >> Don't look that up. >> What would you do planning the deal? >> I mean, are you not going to do like sets of levels or is you going to leave

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it like it is just looking concentrate on stabilizing the bottom close to the water? What do you plan on doing with that? >> Never seen that. >> Yeah. So, from the top all the way down until >> two or three feet back from the bottom.

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I look I want to stabilize the whole hillside, the left and the right. >> You want to make it even with that wall on the left. >> So, I'm not changing anything about like I'm not uh >> No grading, right? >> Yeah. No grading. I mean, there's one little pocket right next to that birch

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tree that's heavily pulled out. There's like a ravine there. >> I'm trying to point but my computer say >> it's honestly even lower than that. Like the first probably three or four feet up right there from the wakeful folks that come with the huge waves.

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>> That's the only area that I think that needs some fill. But the whole rest of the hillside I can essentially put down geocell with you know natural stone and then you know stabilize the whole uh the left and the right. So you just back blade that whole slope and just clear

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out all the all the existing vegetation and lay it down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So you're you don't plan to have any plantings to stabilize then you want to do it with stone. Is that that's what you're saying? >> Yes. Solely because it's the only thing

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that's there is all super invasive stuff. >> I have a feeling though that it it's not all invasive. I think it's the the native native plants that are growing back, but they're just doing it with vigor because they've been cut back. I'm sure there's probably some like

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bittersweet there. Um, but yeah, you can if you have pictures, >> I would I would say that we'd prefer to see some type of planting than stone because like bringing in crush stone is really not natural to the lake and the shoreline like

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>> fill it with stone. So, so the end result with the geocell and stone is where they see it stone hill. >> Yeah. I mean to prevent, you know, the fully invasive stuff early on. >> I mean there's a couple I think by the

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look of it there's probably a couple that are just, you know, regular plants, but I'd say like 95% of it is all the one plant. It's all the same exact uh like they'll

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grow three feet tall >> the way bamboo does it. >> Yeah. >> Does it? No, it's not. >> No, it's not. It's not. That's not there. >> Stop it. >> It's not Japanese knees because deal with that deal with that before.

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>> But it grows three feet tall in literally a week. >> Um >> does it start wrapping around stuff? >> No. You've got Oh, you're talking about stag cord sumac. >> Yeah, I think it's sumac >> and that's native. >> Yeah, you actually kind of want that

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there. That'll help stabilize your slope. That's what is it got like a compound leaves to it. >> They're early succession or pioneering plant that and you have some or has them in 2022 and it looks like you've got another burge and some maples here.

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>> So, they're coming back. >> Yes, they're coming back. See, >> at least that's what he says. >> So, this coming back and you didn't like the way it looked and you cleared it like you did, what's that going to do for you? >> I'm sorry. Say that again.

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>> Okay. If you didn't like the way it looked and you cleared it like you did and the stuff is not coming back, what are you going to do? >> He didn't clear it. >> He didn't clear it. >> Okay. >> He bought it recently. Cleared. All

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right. So, you you don't mind this stuff coming back like it is? >> I mean, okay. >> I'm trying to get a grasp of the plan here. What's the big picture? >> I think it looks horrible the way that it is. >> Okay. >> Um, >> but is it temporary? Is it all going to

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come back in like a year? Is it all going to rushing green again or is it going to be too much? I mean, I'm trying to get to the bottom of where like you should probably come up with a plan, >> right? Mhm. >> and say here's what I intend to do

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and propose something to us so that we can actually have a discussion about that. We can do a site visit pre and post and you'll have an agenda with us as far as what you intend to do where you considering where it is now and then be able to say to us this is what I got

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and this is what I plan to do with it and then we can guide you based on that. See what I'm saying? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's >> my two cents on the matter. >> Yeah. >> I'd recommend that we we request a a

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silk fence up immediately >> and give them x amount of days to bring a plan back into us. >> Fair enough. >> Yeah, I'd say that's quick and easy. Fair. >> Yeah, that just provides some structure, you know, for both both sides. So, we

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have an idea of what you intend to do and you have an idea of what you want to do. and we find common ground in there with what it is now to improve it and then we should be okay. See what I mean? >> Yeah. We won't we won't solve it tonight. >> No, >> no, no, no. It's uh Yeah,

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>> yeah. >> I mean, I have a general idea of like, you know, geocell natural stone uh retaining wall like I'm not really right now, but it's definitely something I need to look at in the future, right? Based on, you know, >> we have examples

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of what other people have done. um kind of like what you were talking about and uh you know we can probably show you pictures of those so that you have an idea that you know what passed what didn't pass um that this was acceptable and you know all of that and we can kind

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of help you in that way um you know including the shoreline and other stuff >> kind of feel like a geo cell without plantings and if you get the long heavy rain it's going to undermine the geo cell and stones

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You won't have >> the dirt underneath there has no stabilization. You know, you get enough water running through all those stones. It's >> undermined the stones and the geocell with that steep of a grade >> on a on a lesser slope. The geo cell

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would be all right, but once you get like that, that water is just going to start cooking along. >> You got all the water off the deck coming down. Everything from the back of the house is coming down that hill. um and with nothing to hold everything in place. >> He's got that little hump there. I don't

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know how much of that water is actually trailing down and coming between the stairway and that clear space into >> right >> that little gouge there that's behind the tree, too. So, um I mean this is all based on the photograph. Probably be

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better than when I looked at it, but >> probably probably the cheapest thing to do here would just be to plant a whole bunch of shrubs and and saplings, right? >> Shrubs. Yeah. Yeah. >> Wouldn't hurt. >> I mean that that geo saw I'm sure it's a maybe it's not effective if you get real steep like that but I would imagine work in a lot of conditions but that's that

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sounds expensive. >> Yeah. I mean it's expensive but it's you know I would look for between the gel and then the the control matting. I was hoping to just do like a once and done like stabilized and just like forget

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about it. I mean >> for erosion control mattings usually like you put that you seed and then you put matting on unless you're talking about filter fabric and then putting stone but erosion control matting for seating not for putting stone on you the

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>> it's two different things really >> I don't think that's what he's saying you're saying the gsl or jutnet or control >> something to prevent weeds from all the invasive stuff that's saying filters >> yeah so you're

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But we this stuff will grow through the filter fabric too. But >> yeah, >> I guess he really needs to come up with a plan and then we need to look at instead of us >> hypothetically talking about it a whole lot of stuff to move on.

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>> Well, I'll make a motion that we request a reinforced silk fence be installed immediately. give them maybe 10 days to do that and then report back to us. Will will this plan within 30 days?

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>> So when you say plan, is this going to be an RDA or just a plan? >> It's got to be an RDA or or an NOI. >> Okay. >> So we'll have to work with you on >> Okay. I can help you. >> Do you want just a single layer? Is that what you're thinking? Just a single line

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of silk fence or two lines of silk fence. >> It's a valid point. It's a pretty steep pitch. >> A couple of rows maybe. >> If it were me doing it just to keep stuff from going in the lake, I'd do a two layer one with straw in between.

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>> Yeah. >> Bales. >> So you can use a roll tube, like roll tube. >> Oh, the waddles. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's a possibility >> tube in the middle and then >> a bail at the bottom,

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>> you know, gets more complicated. >> Not going to look pretty. >> Basically just, you know, the gold >> for a while, but it'll keep the sand wash out on you. >> I think the only like >> really the only area of concern that I have is directly to the right of that

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burst tree because you can kind of see it like coming in down the rest of it. Honestly, I mean, you can tell it's like over time it's >> that looks like a channel where it wants to come down the hill. It ends up in that little spot to the right of the

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birch street. >> Okay. So, I'll mod I'll modify the motion to two s fences double. >> Okay. >> Little prep. We have a second on that. >> I'll second it. Jerry made the second.

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Any further discussion? Second. We have a second. Thank you. Very good. >> Roll call vote. >> Andy Immar. >> Jerry I. >> Kevin I. >> Unanimous vote. >> Appreciate you coming in. >> Thanks Nick. >> Thank you.

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>> Do you do you have any examples of silk fences? I've never done a silk fence before. Google knows. Okay. >> Very straightforward. Make sure you put it in basically the right way. Okay. That's the key. So, it's halfway down and then at the bottom is that

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>> Yeah. >> You want to point it to me exactly where you think because I've not been to this place. I don't know what it looks like, but just looking at the picture, it looks like >> very steep. >> I'm thinking like maybe one across here and then one down bottom. >> Y.

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>> So, not in the water, but >> wherever you see like flow, I mean, you you watch the stuff in the rain. you maybe take a look at it and see where majority of the water is going. Just basically looking blocked. So, >> but if you you go at the shoreline, the waves are going to knock the sense down. So,

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>> stay up, you know, a couple feet. >> S fence needs to be continuous. Okay. >> And if you look in the water, you'll see where the sand is washed down. >> Yeah. >> Because that happens every time it rains. >> My fence up. It was easier to use the silt fence to come without the stakes.

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putting stakes in the ground. >> You trench it, put in the ground, put the silk on st it's just installs better. >> I'm going to send you something tomorrow to give you an idea. >> I don't make any deep fees, but it'll

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just fill up with water and try to keep it. So the water's a plane all the way across. >> All right. So next 10 days double silt fence and then I mean I can get you a plan within the next week, week and a half here. So

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>> the timeline is right. >> He won't be on probably until >> by certain timelines. >> Um well today was the deadline for our next meeting. So next meeting is like August 3rd, I think. Do >> we want to think about going out to taking a look now?

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idea what we're talking about when he comes back. >> I think it'll help because then you know >> what it is. >> Well, we can also ID what what's growing there now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We'll plan a site visit then. >> You guys want to plan it now?

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>> Okay. >> It's a good time for you. >> You tell me. >> But a good time for you guys. >> There's a soccer game today. A second. Yeah. >> Which second?

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>> That's right. US or Belgium. >> Um, >> Wednesday is supposed to be a nice nice evening. I can do Wednesday at 5:00. >> That's correct. >> Can anybody else do? I know I can't cuz I have a doctor's appointment, but that

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doesn't mean you guys can't go and you I have full confidence of 19. Wednesday at 5:00. >> Yeah, >> that >> it's this Wednesday. >> Yeah, >> sure. Okay. And I think the weather will be better. >> It is. >> Yeah. >> Wednesday is the best day of the week so far. >> Okay. >> Rain.

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>> Nick, does that work for you? >> All night and all day. >> Yes. >> Um, and everyone needs to park at the >> the little sewer sub station, right, >> at the end of Island Pond Road. Walk across the little bridge.

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>> Unless you come by boat. Hey, you pawing. >> I'd love to be able to right now. >> Nick, can you say that's okay with you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Very good. Let's >> It's uh Wednesday the 8th, 5 o'clock.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. >> All right. >> All right. Is that >> Yes. Thank you for coming in. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Okay. Now we'll go back to first public hearing notice of intent 292-40 and I'll read the legal notice.

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Southwood Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 in the Southwood Conservation Commission regulations and bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for a

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notice of intent via hybrid meeting Zoom and in person. This project location is 434 Mountain Road, West Sfield, Connecticut, map 4, H210, Parcel 9719. The applicant produc proposes to remove

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a wooden wooden retaining wall and place rocks along the shoreline. The meeting will be held on July 6th via harbor starting at 7:10 in the land in in conference room 3 and we'll open up the public hearing to

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the petitioner andor representative. >> Petitioner and representative are not here. Okay. And they didn't ask for a delay >> table this afternoon. >> I'll make a motion to table till next

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meeting. >> Second motion >> or continue it. >> Whatever. >> Roll call. And >> I table a motion and approve it. >> Okay. So the next is a request for determination of

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applicability RDA6 silver glass and I'll read that legal notice. The Southwork Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and

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the Southwork Conservation Commission regulations in dialogue chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request for determination. Project location is six glass lane subject mass map 026 parcel 10. The applicant

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proposes the removal of seven hazardous trees located within the buffer zone. The meeting will be held on July 6, 2026 via Harwood starting at 7 PM in the Southwork town hall and on Zoom. Then we'll open up the public hearing to

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the petitioner and representative your name and addresses for the record, please. >> Good evening. My name is Mark Karan Jikas. I live at S 6 Lane in South. >> Ryan Duncan, Ryan train service 392

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call. >> We came over to your house >> last year, right? Yes, we did. Yeah, recognize. >> Yes. Grab the images. >> Yeah. Have to give me a second.

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I don't know what this is all about right here, but >> we hit the Xbox >> up here. >> Yeah. >> I mean, the one shows water there and the other doesn't show. >> I remember that being

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>> buffer zone. So, yeah. were trees. >> Yeah. >> Somehow I fixed it. >> Some kind of swampy water mass in there. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's all it's pretty soft back there. When it rains a lot, there's water there present, but it's further back into the property.

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Doesn't really create any kind of issue um relating to the uncovered area. So you guys have in your packets um the plan for the proposed removal of a total of seven trees. The trees are marked

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with um yellow and red dots and well it looks like black cuz I printed black and white first and then colored it in. And then we also have proposal of a small retaining wall. Um, the I can't tell if that's to the north,

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but it definitely looks like to the north on your plans. >> Uh, I should actually south that southwest. The north is the front of the house facing mistaken. Well, I know that the the house runs north. The south is

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>> You're correct if we hold it like this. >> Yeah. have a satellite view that way. >> Take the building back. >> So, all all subentries are are real. >> So, two of them are snags that are still

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standing that are on both sides of the shed, which she has a picture of that. There's a a maple that we noticed that is completely rotten. It's got a stress fracture. There's a ton of dead material in the top of it. Now then there's a black birch there that's got a heavy

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lean towards the house. That one is not dead. However, just the way it is growing towards the house, it's going to continue to grow towards the house. That area is very saturated, which creates all these trees to have a very high root surface. There's not a deep taper to

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either a maple or that black birch there. So the long-term plan was to remove anything that's going to be hazardous. Right? So that one tree there is not stone dead yet. However, growth effect wise leaning towards the house.

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That's where we were kind of up in the air. I mean, it's you can see it's probably 70° towards the house. Um definitely within striking distance. The maples that we that we saw um that one is definitely stone dead, eaten alive by ants.

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>> There's a if you to the right of this >> think I can kind of see the snake. >> Yeah, that's one of the snakes there. It's an oak. And then there's another one on the other side of the shed >> that are both standing in the front yard and they're both within striking distance of that. So the objective was

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going to be to clean back these trees along that that wood line there. Now where that is, that's the 50ft buffer going into the wetland. >> Um so we would definitely be doing that from the driveway with the crane. Same deal. Um then he's got a cluster in the

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back that's in another photo here and they're wrapped. They're kind of standing out in the yard. They're outside the 50 foot buffer, but they're wrapped in bitter. Yeah, that's the that's the maple that we want to take down. >> And that one is is leaning also at the

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top. And we flossed a number of large uh limbs just coming off in in storms and whatnot, landing right in the yard. >> It's just falling apart. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's on part time. >> That's that >> that's the snag he wants to get out of.

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So, why not leave the snag? >> Well, we could cut it. We could cut it shorter. I mean, it's definitely standing out in the yard a little bit. >> Is that in theif the 50 foot? >> That's right. That's right on the Yeah, it looks like they zipped it out.

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>> Right under. I mean, half of it being and half of it might be honest with you. >> But if you see see the forest floor behind it, all the blow down trees in there from the shallow root bases failing. I mean, that's how the whole thing is. And he likes the buffer. He likes the privacy, but we also, you

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know, taking the safety side into consideration. >> Let me keep going with this. >> Yeah. Well, that's the other one there. >> Okay. >> I don't even think that one's in the buffer. No, I think that's all.

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>> Yeah. >> The 50 foot. >> Would it be acceptable to you to hold those back? Leave them in Shut as long as long as they don't damage my shed. >> Your concern is habitat. >> Yeah, correct. Take it away from the birds but give it to somebody else if

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you >> that'd be fine. In fact, you know >> when you can like down it. >> Yeah. Just Yeah. >> I think that's what they plan on doing with all the trees, right? You like >> Oh, yeah. >> cutting the trees cutting the trees down and then leaving them in place in the in the 50 foot.

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>> Is that the plan? No, we're planning on taking them out of there and shipping them instead of leaving them on the wood line there. I think >> Oh, yeah. If you were to do that, that would be I mean, >> yeah, it would look like Yeah, it wouldn't look very good. There's a ton of habitat in there. We'll probably do that. There's a lot of habitat in that

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in that wetland. >> Um, now this picture we're looking at here, this is where there's another cluster of trees. There's a this is where the other four small ones or five small ones are. They're probably 8 to 10 inch. They're all wrapped in bittersweet. They stand out in the yard. They're probably 65 ft from the actual

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wetland. They're in that the 50 to 100 foot buffer, but the tops are stoned at them. I don't know if that picture sent to you or not, but I do have it right here. >> And and more more most importantly, these are the ones that first drew my attention when I was building the house leaning toward the house. So, so my

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concern is when we spoke was I'm an insurance company that uses the drones. USA fly over and they're going to go, you got to do something with those cuz it made a house full of their concern. Yeah, >> but that's the tops of them that are in there. The ones that are all wrapped in bittersweet, >> right?

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>> Yep. >> That was taken recently. >> That was taken last summer. So, I'm sure it's worse than that at this point >> cuz we I've been to this here now three time two or three times I've been on the property. Is that

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>> that is his irrigation stuff and that's where the roots are going. >> Oh, that's what we're looking at. >> Yeah. So, that's you pop that cover off and you can see all the roots working their way into that irrigation box and that irrigation box is probably only two years old. >> Yeah, three now.

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>> Yeah, it was three in, >> you know. And I I checked and they weren't so clearly wasn't there when my builder put that in. But the irrigation system is the roots. Yeah. growing pretty quick. >> Okay. So, what's the purpose of the

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retaining wall? >> Well, the retaining wall is going to run, if you look at the map, it would it would run this. It's supposed to run north to south along my property line. Uh the if you look at it, there's a hill and I'm getting everything from my neighbors runoff down into my hill into

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my into my yard. Uh we have a we have a um built-in um tube uh going away from the house. They believe that that's only creating this big puddle of water out there at the bottom where it's cleared.

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>> Um so also I want to flatten out my land um so that it's usable when I get rid of that uh that hill that just drains down into the yard. Um, this way with the irrigation they're going to run it. So everything's draining where it should drain back into the conservation area

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where all the water is. But it's only from it's it's clear when it rains. You can see it coming down on the hill and I'm just getting a big huge puddle there. Particularly that first spring we moved in. Um, it was the first year we moved in, it was it was just a big

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puddle of water. Um, and um, the only one that liked it was the dog. Cooled off. But um, yeah. I know I'm getting really bad drainage down there and I want to redirect it so that the yard doesn't just become a a wet mess all the time. >> So, is any of the wall in the 50oot

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buffer zone? >> No. >> No, it's all in the 100 foot. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> And then you would raise the elevation of your yard some after you put in the wall. >> Well, um if you were to see the yard, it it's actually that significant. What they're going to be doing is removing

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some and then putting a retaining wall up and then it'll be a flatter yard. Yes. So that we can utilize that yard, but more importantly so that the drainage goes in the correct direction. >> Yes. >> And they're going to And if you I think I included the plans. They've actually included within the plans. Um I hope I

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did that I send that wrong, please. >> Yes. Um I didn't print it out for them. >> Okay. It's got a plan to direct the flow of water along the wall so that it goes out. Let's see if I can >> in the same direction as the one that was going in from the house. >> Okay,

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>> that's just getting overwhelmed. I'm not getting anything at the house, thank goodness. But it's just getting overwhelmed. >> So like bring behind the wall. Bring the bring the water back. >> Yeah. >> What is this? The This is the plan up here.

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>> Yes, that's a written part of it. Yeah. >> I don't think you got gave me um plan like a site plan. No, let me just I sent you everything they sent me. Maybe I did not send it correctly. >> This is the project narrative.

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>> That's >> it's our publication. None of that >> was I think it was in a separate uh PDF I sent along. >> Okay. >> Only because I just forwarded theirs rather than trying to print it out.

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>> Right. Let me stop share for just >> but the height of it is well within the constraints that the town requires and and the only thing we're going to do is we're going to put up um obviously have

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shrubbery on top just for privacy both my neighbor and I >> I don't have it but >> you don't have I don't >> she request going back to the trees Now, your request is is to remove the stumps of the seven trees.

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>> I think the ones that are in far enough in the buffer zone that will don't create a tripping hazard of any type. Yeah, no problem. I mean, you can leave them there as far as I'm concerned. >> The ones that are very close on the edge that that big that's all rotted out that island one.

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Yeah, I'd say. But if if if you know they're far enough in, I don't care if they're lying on their side and there's a stump there. It's the ones that are right on the very edge of the usable yard that my concern is let's get them low and I'll be happy to put bushes in there instead that way

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and they're quite frankly a little more decorative and we don't hurt the the uh the land and I'd rather have bushes in there than stuff that wraps around. We'll have to worry about that after the fact anyhow because I guess that stuff is >> it'll just keep coming because birds eat

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the seeds and you know what birds do. So you just keep an eye out and you see some growing just pick it. >> Yeah, that's right. You get it early and before it gets wrapped around, right? Yeah. >> I didn't have that mile of dart, so I didn't know what it was. And then, you know, we had an expert come out and tell me that's what's killing a lot of these

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trees. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, I was showing it's in the narrative. It says that the trees will be dropped or retained on property, but not in a wetland resource area, which is kind of contradictory >> in itself.

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that I did mean the >> in the written narrative. It says the trees are to be dropped and retained on property but not in a wetland resource area >> which means keep them on your grass. That is contradictory. I just want you to straighten it out. Not >> no that and that was that was written

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poorly. I apologize. Um my intention was anything that you wanted to keep in there that was in there >> and stuff. The only thing I was concerned about is my gr along my grass line. I don't want to have a tripping hazard there. Um I I have grandsons and they're growing like weeds themselves. Yeah. So I just don't want anything

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where someone gets impaled or falls on something. I'd rather grind those down and put bushes in along the line >> at some point, you know. >> I think grinding them off is better than excavating them. >> Yeah. I think so. >> As far as we're concerned, leaving the roots in better,

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>> right? My only concern is the roots that are uh once we remove that tree, >> those roots that are in my box or per permeating my box will be dead. >> Well, if you grind the stump out on the edge of that, you'll be all right. >> It's interfering with the irrigation.

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>> But the stuff that's in the wetland that that's in the 50, there's no we don't have to grind those out of there. Just the one that's in the yard. Right. >> We do prefer that. >> Does it literally stay down in the wetland or Ryan just to take it grind it? >> No, we do that. We have to do it totally

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different which then means we need equipment in the wetland buffer, right? To do that. We almost create more ground disturbance going in there. >> The crane setting up in the driveway picking it out. There's the only thing in there's a couple footprints at the end of the

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>> You have a fireplace. Well, >> we use the wood for the fire gas stove. Yeah. >> Um, so yeah, my my only concern is again is there's a portion of the property and it's pretty well marked right there where it sticks out and it's actually a

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lot of it is outside the is it's in the 100 but outside the 50. And that's what I want when we remove those and they're all leaning toward the house. I I wouldn't want those >> ground >> ground down just so that there's no tripping hazard. and the way it jogs out to the yard. So instead of it going a straight line, there's an island that

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comes out that he wants to remove that island. It's outside the 50. And those are the ones with the bittersweetness. >> And in fact, there's a few that must have fallen before they ever built the house because all that's left is or maybe the the uh the golf course did and

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because for that same exact reason, um >> they're sticking out. So I don't want that. I think there's a couple of them there that someone else had cut long before I showed up >> that should be ground down as well. Just right in that corner. >> Okay. >> And and that's a really you when you

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came out to the visit that's really close to the house. Those are the ones that first drew my attention. Oh, wow. Those go >> and then I saw the name. I was like he told me that >> those don't conserve you as much as that one can serve me. You know >> that was that was a bar crusher and a

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house crusher. Yeah. But anyhow, that's where we stand right now. The retaining wall is is in the 100, but not in the 50. Um, the purpose of that is to get the get the drainage correct. I don't think it was uh they didn't think of that hill when they put the house in. I

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don't think they thought because it's a walk out. I don't think they thought it was going to be that drastic of a hill. So, we didn't make a drainage plan for along the line. >> Any further questions? Okay, I'll make a motion for a negative

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determination with some clarifications. Qualification number one, your trees will be dropped and removed. Clarification number two, no stumps will be removed inside the

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50ft buffer zone. Modification number three, stumps outside the 50 foot bus zone will be stump ground. >> Enough clarification for everybody. >> That's good. Sounds like

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>> and I apologize for the miscommunication in second. >> Okay, we have a second from the Met. Any further discussion or debate? Roll call vote. >> Andy I >> I. >> Norm I have an I.

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>> Unanimous vote for a negative determination for the request. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much as always. >> Yeah. Appreciate >> it. Okay. All right. Thanks. Thank you everybody. >> Thank you.

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>> Okay. The next public hearing is 157 Feeding Hills Road and I'll read the legal notice for that. Self conservation division will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Weapon Protection Act BLC

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131 section 40 and Southwest Conservation Commission regulations and bylar chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request for determination. Project location is 157 Feeding Hills Road south of NAS map 68 parcel 052.

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The applicant proposes a handicap accessible ramp and walkway. Portions of the work fall within the flood plane 200 foot riverfront area and a buffalo bordering reg vegetated wetlands. The meeting will be

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held July 6 while Harvard starts at 7 p.m. at South Town Hall and on Zoom. and we'll open up to the petitioner or his representative. >> That'd be me, Steve Sven, Sveni Associates. The uh

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the ramp was originally part of the initial notice of intent filed when they were originally going to build the gazeos. They were technically included in all that and approved, but because they didn't have permission to use the gazeos

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as the space, we said we would not put the ramps in, so they couldn't be used. They subsequently got permission to use them. Only got one gazebo uh for the use that they wanted. And so they now want to put that one ramp in for that one

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gazebo that they're going to use. >> And that's basically all it is. Okay. Now, that one ramp is actually already in. >> Uh, well, they tried to they did a dry fit of it to see how it all fit and everything else. And >> it's it's a dry fit. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> It's still there. >> It's there. >> It's still It's still there. >> Yes. Yeah. So, I have his plan up um on the screen and >> there's there's the handicap ramp

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right here and then also there is this um paper pathway to the um pirate what is it? Pirate shift playhouse. >> Yes. Um, so that is also included in a there. It's just a portion. Which one is

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this? >> It's only on the uh >> uh I don't think it's it's not in a bumper zone. Um >> I think it's >> I don't think it's in the buffer. And then >> we've got the 200 foot riverfront here.

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So >> 200 riverfront. And I want to say this is the hund that's 100 buffer there. >> Y but it's it's basically basically on top of their septic system. >> Right.

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>> That was a requirement by planning. Correct. >> Uh >> that pathway. >> Yeah. the the the uh the pirate ship has been there for over seven years and nobody cared about it. And then through all this other stuff, somebody went out and measured it and it's a little over

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10 ft tall. So, because it's over that magic number, it has to have an ADA compliant access path to it so that parents with uh who are handicapped can go up and watch their kids >> run around on play.

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that can climb 11 feet up. >> Yeah. So anyway, uh the the crepes sag is uh near completion. All we need to do is get this ramp. They required to put the little walkway in to get to the pirate ship. They also have to anchor the

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pirate ship down >> because once it's over a certain size, it has to be anchored to the ground. God forbid it blows away. Um, and the ramp will be secured also with the tiles type of thing. So,

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>> how is it going to be secured? >> Uh, the the U vehicles >> helical. Yeah, it's they're not going to be need big ones, but they can put those in and and secure down buildings, but they'll pass up on it. >> I'd like to know how big they are going to be.

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>> I don't know. It's only an it's a ramp. So, it's they're probably I don't know an inch. >> They're not going to be required. The building inspector will be the one that would sign off on it. I don't have that engineer.

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>> He doesn't have the knowledge of the flood plane zone. >> Understood. But the but when something is put into the flood plane, it has to meet certain requirements for building code that he does know. I don't have the exact diameter of what's going to be

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there. It would have to pass his muster and he has the zoning book to go by. The the buildings were secured in the same fashion to the uh to the uh No, they weren't secured. They were secured in the wrong pylons,

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>> but they were secured according to building code within a fault plate. And this little ramp will have to be secured as well. No, I don't have the exact length. So, one inch screwed down. It's basically

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not so much the diameter, the depth. So, I don't have that information, but it's basically going to have to be here before. I I need to know what that length is going to be. You see these the flood

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really hits that area, that ramp, because it's in the flood plane zone. Whereas the gazebo is not because it's raised up, you will rip off and become a torpedo. >> And with four of those piles in the

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ground, if they're if a oneinch pile can hold a lot of stuff depending on how deep it goes. So I mean they can >> that's why I want I want to know the depth. >> I think Norm's looking for the engineer to plan. >> Yeah. Um I I can get you the the

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equivalence for it that okay if you want to do that as part of a condition or something but I'd like to get this passed and uh because it's it's it's just a it it really isn't. is that

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this ramp was approved prior to this as part of the original notice of intent and we are now just coming back because only because they couldn't use it before these were put in. They would have been put in under the other notice of intent. Now all this time later they finally got

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permission to use that one gazebo and they just have to put this ramp in and with with hill piles put in place uh it's not going to go anywhere. >> I'm hearing your aggravation here. Let me finish. I'm hearing your apologize. >> And and and that you want to get it

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done, but first off, that's not a gazebo. It's a seashed. Gazeos have screens and the wind blows through, but and it's not the size that they proposed. So this is this plan problematic pretty much from the onset. So now Norm

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wants a specific and exact number. >> Okay. >> Right. Because it it hasn't been easy. >> No, it has. >> So make it easy. Give them the number. >> So, >> and then we'll approve it. >> Yeah. >> Is that about where we're at? >> It's about So, the feel what you feel.

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>> But these folks aren't in that position to ask that ask. >> Okay. >> As far as I'm concerned, >> if that's what you require, so be it. Okay. Is what it is. It's >> They asked for a little and got a lot or took a lot and now they're asking for

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something. Now they're looking for something else and we just want the specific. That's all. >> Fair enough. >> Yeah. >> And I agree with you. It's a simple little thing. And if it's a simple little thing, just draw it down. Hand it home.

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>> Is it the depths and diameter or just depths? >> So, are we just looking for the depth and diameter? So, we have it documented because I I don't know the engineering and I don't know if anybody here knows the engineering on this board. So if if

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we get the if he gives it to it, we can still approve it and then just upon receiving the correct diameter and depth, right? I mean, that's all we're looking for is numbers. We don't none of us can do the calculations. >> Typically, the companies that install these will determine that for you right

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then and there. So that >> But is he having a company install them? Because this is a used It's a >> It still has to It's used. Yes, I get it. But it has to be secured and it has to be secured according to the building code. >> Right. That makes sense. >> Okay. And that not trying to get out of that at all. >> Yeah.

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>> Just trying to say I don't have that magic number in front of me. But >> if it was a one inch diameter 4T deep, that's going to hold down any aluminum because you're not going to have just one. You're probably going to have four of them there. And that would hold that down.

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>> So the depth and quantity >> quantity and depth is okay. What I need to know for my vote. Okay. >> What about the diameter? >> Is that >> Yeah, >> I think that's what you meant. >> Does it have a spec sheet? Does a spec

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sheet exist for these problems? >> I didn't have one. >> Yeah, probably exist, right? It's probably all >> they they make they the companies that do these have spec sheets on those things and what they'll what they will the loadbearing of those exactly that it's probably exactly normal.

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>> Yeah. Well, my request is we continue this till the next next meeting. Anybody opposed to that? I'll make a motion we continue this to the next meeting and just supply us with the information. >> No problem.

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>> Okay. >> Didn't mean to get agitated. >> Till Monday. It's been a Monday all day. >> All right. So, I have a motion to continue. >> I'll second motion. >> Roll call vote. >> Yeah.

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>> Want to hear? >> I have an I. >> Unanimous vote to continue to the next meeting. >> Oh. Oh, I got to do the continuation. >> You guys technically the applicant request the continuation. >> Okay.

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>> So, >> what's the what's the next date? the 20th of um July. >> Okay. Why Jeff always does >> I still get them. >> Well, you're fine.

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Thank you. All >> righty. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> See you next time. >> Yes. And appreciate. >> Okay. Next item on the agenda is an RDA for 22 Shore Road. And I'll read the legal notice. The South Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing

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under the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act, GLC 131, Section 40, and Southwest Conservation Commission regulations in bylaw, chapter 182, and chapter 450. A request for determination. Project location is 22 Shore Road, Southwork,

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Mass, Map 160, parcel 13. The applicant proposes res residential site improvements within the buffer zone bound lake. The meeting will be held July 6 via hybrid at 7 p.m. in the south town hall and on Zoom.

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Then we'll open up the public hearing to speak at Colto Arbec Associates under the assumption that the voters notice didn't go out for the split. So we weren't hearing this one tonight. >> Oh, really? Well, I can speak to it. I would have

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brought a paper plan for it. >> Actually, no. Why don't you even have it underneath this morning? >> Well, I have the plan up on the screen, but I thought that vacation did go. Oh, did was that that email that Mina sent me? Like, >> she might I found out right at the end of day I didn't have, but she's like she

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still have to go to the meeting and get another project. >> Okay. So, maybe it didn't >> that she said >> I'd be happy to speak on it. It's straightforward. or this one advocates. >> Um I mean technically because of the

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butter notifications didn't get I mean it's it's up to I guess the chair >> right they should hear everything >> um so I guess we would um >> we need an extension >> continue >> continuence

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please fill out the form for us. >> Oh boy. >> It's simple. project name and location. We got that hearing today. Continuing date would be 7:20. Almost got over

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it. >> Wow. This is bonus work after work. It's been very nice coming to see. >> Oh, I know you want to see that soccer game. I haven't saw her. I was excited to see it this day.

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>> Okay. So, now I hand this in. >> Okay. >> Officially. >> Thank you. >> That's your pet actually. >> Did you And you signed in, right? >> Yes. >> Thank you. I was wondering why email. >> So, I'll take a motion to continue for the next meeting.

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>> Second. A motion. Nothing new after two. >> Second. >> Yeah. >> Motion second. Roll call vote. >> Andy I norm. >> Jerry. I >> have an eye. >> Motion for continuation to the next meeting.

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The next item is under new business. Commission reviews and signs order of resource area delineation for 5 91 north or college highway. You have something for us to sign there. >> I do. I sent you guys um

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a copy of this like I think last week to review if you had time, but I have it right here. You want to look over it and sign it, go ahead and sign it. It's a pretty simple form. to do that. >> I need to sign it. Uh, Renaissance

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films. Yeah. >> Oh, you could write your name roll. >> Um, were you there to vote? >> I don't know. I don't think I don't remember. >> You haven't been here in a while. >> Yeah, I know. I don't think you want 30 foot wide.

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>> That sounds like a lot. That's well was in the news. They're doing this whole accessibility thing now. >> I don't know if you guys saw that >> for the ADA thing. >> Yeah.

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>> So, so many millions of dollars are going to get spent so that every trail is wheelchair accessible. >> See in the state of Mass. >> What? Every what? >> Every trail needs to be built up to par with wheelchair accessibility. Who said

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that? >> Commonwealth state the head of conservation. >> Yeah. So I'd say apparently 1% of the trails in the state are right now and how is that going to be like trails are naturally like by the way short snip. They heard

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it >> right. I saw Yeah. >> Yeah. Like huh? >> Yeah. Do they have a plan for what they want to see afterwards? >> How many switchbacks are you going to be on the hill? I don't know how that's going to live out with all those switchbacks >> to make it be insane.

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>> Who's on his commission? >> The guy just basically said, you know, we can't say public trail if it's not accessible for everybody. >> Oh, so we have to name it a nonpublic trail. There's probably going to be an

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>> just the messenger. >> So yeah, this was this was >> can't make everything a >> loud and clear in the news yesterday. I was like, "Wow, when did that happen?" >> So yeah, >> interesting. >> That's why I'm under new business.

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>> Maybe you call it something else if >> it's not accessible, >> right? >> Nonaccessible trim. >> Not accessible. We're going to move on now. Number three, >> sorry. Change for 13 North Pond Road, NOI 292 63.

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>> Oh, invited, >> but we don't I don't think we have um anybody online for this, but I did go on a site visit. >> Are you ready for 13? >> This is for Are you going to be speaking for 1300,

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>> Mr. Manis? Yes. >> Oh, you are? >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Well, then I will shut my mouth. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. So, home desk associates here represent Mr. Manis where you guys haven't heard about

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um Rev. J. Uh but the the whole intention of this uh I believe you were in contact with Tim Saj the site contractor all >> yeah sorry rev J is that the latest and greatest >> this is the yes >> oh fantastic revision so in an effort to

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scale back the operation a little bit >> and make it as feasible as possible now um there was originally I'll tell you what it used to be on the the previous approved revision >> I can bring that up actually yeah it's retaining walls around this being making

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it up flat. So, it's up uh five or six feet flat into the sheet piles. These are the metal sheet piles on this dark line. This is these are those temporary sheet piles for reference. Um so, originally there's large retaining wall here as well as below here. Um as well

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as there was a paper path all the way going around this entire thing. Um with a more defined staircase with retaining walls on each side. >> Um >> Yeah, there there you are. Yeah. >> So essentially what we are looking to do

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just kind of work between both of them is with this revision is removing this retaining walls resolving the grading via a uh 2:1 slope up to it. You end up catching grade about uh about 9 10 ft away from it. It varies. It's 9 ft 9 ft

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away from it at its shortest but it kind of it's an angle obviously so it grows. So that's what we are seeing here. there's that two that two to one slope. >> Um, this we're doing away with the PA walkway. Um, these stairs don't exist there anymore either, but there will be

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a staircase from the deck to get up that steep grade. Um, that can be resolved with with grading though. Um, it literally every two steps is is a foot, you know, if you do six inch steps. So, it just slices right through the staircase for the grades that let's just

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look at while I'm proposing actually. So, I'm I'm complicating it. Um so this is that staircase just a landscaped into the staircase. No retaining wall needed for it. Um to a

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slope protection is being proposed for the a 2:1 slope um similarly to how it was on the rest of the property. Uh doing away with the path resolving the grading. So, is he really >> when I sorry to interrupt when I was on

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the site visit with him, he had said that he wanted to cut that well, it was supposed to be temporary um vinyl sheet piling, but um he wants to cut that down to to grade and I don't know, maybe he maybe you guys changed it.

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>> Yeah. No, grades are resolved outside at this vinyl bound. >> Okay. So, cut them down. But then he had mentioned putting um like uh rock over that area. >> Um are you talking about under

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>> stabil and the slope? >> Yes. Uh this the slope. Yeah. So this Yep. This he wants to put rock on the slope as as a slope protection. >> Would it flow over the vinyl sheet piling? >> The sheet piling is is being is being uh

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cut off. And so that's essentially not been there. That's resolved at existing grade. >> Okay. >> So everything at beyond the sheep piling is is existing grade. >> Okay. >> Um this is the slope. This right here is that 2 to1 slope right here. And just for erosion control protection, they want to line that with rock. It's

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similar how how it's done in the rest of the site. Yeah. >> I've seen that. >> So none of the sheet piling is going to be removed. It's just going to be cut off at grade level >> from what I understand. Yeah. this they you cut them down to existing grade.

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It's a it's holding back dirt right now, but then that gets brought down to match existing. Well, long term by leaving it in, it would stop like one of these major landslide events, >> right? They pull it out and everything's

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saturated. >> I don't think they're pulling it out. They're just saying that anything sticking up above that would cut off flush at at grade. >> The benefit of leaving it in is it would help prevent this kind of since you chain all the vegetation there. If the whole hill gets saturated

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>> and wants to move into shift, >> it's going to make it harder for that to happen. So, it's beneficial to leave it in. >> Cut it off and just leave it in. >> It doesn't hurt anything. So, what's the justification for removing the the retaining wall?

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>> Um, they want to scale back their operation. >> They might have bit off a little more than they could chew. >> Sounds like it's a huge cost to put all that in the wall and >> Yeah. And we figured, you know, it's less invasive work in buffers and everything. So, we figured it's kind of

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a win-win. But obviously with stuff we have to get approved from you guys. So we're here asking for permission on that. >> But looks like they're button that up. >> Yes. >> But nothing's really changing except for the tan king walk is gone.

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>> Yeah. They want there's >> the space in between the top which is exactly the same as now. >> Right. And the bottom section that goes to the deck. Are are you pointing in? Yep. That so nothing's changed. Right. >> All only plan changes have happened

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where where this paper's covering. >> Right. >> Right. >> And no extended no limited work has been expanded or anything. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> Uh and I did uh move just to point some of these plantings I moved them up here.

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>> Um they said they potentially might need to put parking car there for a visitor or something. >> So you can have more more plantings where that where the walk was going to be. >> Yep. So same same amount of plants. Yeah, just relocations. That's Yeah.

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Okay. Any other questions? >> Somebody want to make a motion to approve the changes. >> I'll make a motion to approve the changes as amended or shown. >> Rev J. >> Rev J. Revisions.

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>> We have a second. I'll second it. There you go. Jerry made the second. We'll call vote and I normally >> unanimous vote. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for your time. Cool. >> Well, do you think I could get a copy? >> That's what I think for my hand. And you

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guys, if you need another one after you keep this one as well. >> I I just need one and then can you or Nina send me a digital copy as well? Have a chance. Thank you so much. Thank you. >> Next item on the agenda, Division of Fisheries and Wildlife.

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the proposed erosion control restoration project. Hope you all have a copy of their letter dated June 15th. Amen. Anybody

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see anything there we cannot live with? Don't understand the comment on phase three option two on the back. Did we in fact propose a 30 foot wide keystone? >> I don't believe we did. >> No, it wasn't 30 foot wide. I'm not sure

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if that was an error. It was 30 ft long, >> right? >> Um, >> so I can understand her saying, "No, you can't put a 30 foot wide C because 3 ft wide, right? might be a conversation somehow.

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>> Yeah. >> Where were we putting a keystone corridor? >> It was um >> was that little north, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It was an option, but it wasn't 30. I think the area that we were restoring is 30 foot wide, but the Keystone would have only been three feet.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. It was just a little curly walkway. Correct. Yeah. >> Was that the same plan that Connor represented? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah, >> I saw that before. >> So, they did give us um

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a less invasive option for those, we'll call them just gullies, trails, gullies. Um and that would require like basically almost no maintenance at all. Um, I'm leaning

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towards that as opposed to putting f bringing fill in, doing plantings, making sure we're watering the plantings, making sure the erosion controls are up. They had suggested just throwing well possibly cutting a few

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trees strategically in some areas, but also just putting dead tree branches and limbs and stones and leaves. We can have a work party. we all get together and just kind of throw things in the gully maybe once a year, twice a year until

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it's relatively full and that would stop the foot traffic because no one's going to clean all that up. Um, >> nature's compost pile >> and then and they had mentioned like even if we do something like that, we could do also do plantings just in

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certain areas that would be much better easier much easier to maintain. Um and they did make a point of when you bring um soil or lom in there's always the possibility of bringing in invasives. >> What do you think about

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>> so >> you know an invasive management plan? >> I don't know who's doing that. >> Yeah. No, I mean that's that's don't make a difference to me what gets done. If that's what they want, then

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>> it was not necessarily what they want. It was a suggestion. >> Yeah. >> Um >> Andy, when were you on that side of it? >> Yeah. Yeah. Andy and Norm and I were on that side of it and they had suggested something like that. >> Why didn't they just give us all these

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ideas originally? Then why don't come up with a plan and then said, "Why don't you do this? >> Maybe maybe next time." >> Right. They're the ones that like they threw this on us and said, "We need to >> Yeah. >> Didn't What? Didn't they like say I thought that's how this all came about?

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>> I think maybe that it could have been it, but now we know. Invite them on a site visit and let them talk. >> Yeah. >> Are all these things doable? >> Yeah. Oh, well. Well, no. Yeah. Yes. that um I understand their point about

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you know weeds being in like you're not you're not going to get top soil tested like >> you you're want if they want >> like you're better off just doing what they're saying like just cutting trees down filling them with leaves and pine needles and all that stuff and doing

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that then then potentially bringing in top so that has stuff in it that they don't that we don't want growing there every top is going to have that unless take it from somewhere on site there and move it, which we're not going to do that. >> Like you import anything, there's always

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the risk of >> bake it. I've had to bake it before. >> No, I was that top. >> So that's not that's not feasible. Our budget is so what I was wondering here. That's what I'd say.

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That's just >> interesting. >> Well, it's an alter, too. The only thing I would say is those gullies aren't going to just by putting some leaves in there, they're so deep. They're probably not going to it's going to take all of our lifetimes for those

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to be beyond our lifetimes for this to >> Well, at least we could get >> take a very long time. >> Yeah. Well, >> because they're deep. I think the goal is to stop foot traffic over on that area because that's what's creating that bare soil which is creating the erosion.

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>> So if we get it started to the point where people aren't going in that area over and over and over again >> and compacting the soil as well and the soil starts to build up then um eventually if you just leave it alone

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and it'll do its thing. by taking all the foot traffic out of there. We were going to try to put it over on our 30 foot wide corridor. Right. That was the plan was redirect the traffic over on that >> the one area still going to want to walk out the piece. True.

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>> So if we can get clarification on that whole 30 foot wide, we didn't want a 30 foot wide, right? >> You know, we did. >> Well, that would be the tough part is if Yeah. We just tried just to fill all of them in naturally. Where are people going to walk? and they're going to just make a new path. >> That's right. So,

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>> arguably the path was made by the dirt bikes and the east. Yeah. >> Digging it up and then the water washing it out and then you dig it up again and wash it out again. Not so much by the foot path. >> No, but 100% correct. >> We could do it whatever width we

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you know, whatever legally we can do. It doesn't really matter. I mean, you're only walking up and down it. So, it could be 30 in. It could be 48. So no, no greater than 3 feet wide by 8 feet high. When they mean 8 feet high, they mean clearing the like branches and

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limbs and stuff. >> But I don't know. Do we need to do this ADA? >> Don't start going down that road until the guard rails. >> It should make all the roads ADA compliant and get rid of the potholes,

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right? Why don't we start? >> There you go. >> That'd be nice. But yeah, it doesn't need to be anything extravagant. It's really just traffic. >> So, why don't we think about this, communicate this to the open space

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committee and get their feedback? >> Things already in process, excuse me, >> what we were going to do with the trees and what we haven't >> nothing was going to be ready until we have like a purchase order, but that would be it. Like we like it's not good

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thing we postponed it. >> National Park put up a sign that said this trail does not >> grow. >> All right. So let's do that. Keep it on the agenda. >> Don't come in and see what open space.

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>> Let's get some feedback from open space. >> Okay. So I'll make a motion to table this item. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Roll call vote. >> Andy I norm.

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>> Unanimous vote. >> Uh discussion on dock placement on Congo Heights Association Echo Road location. Uh that is being pulled back. >> Um yeah, just due to some personal

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matters. um they have uh chosen to delay this by at least a year. >> Okay. All right. Discussion of possible enforcement order

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of for storm water drainage at the end of Braen Drive. You have an email from him and I have it. >> Okay. So, I need to read this. >> You can. >> Okay.

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The attached image you will see what PBW has done to resolve the ongoing drainage issue occurring in the premises of the Braen Drive beach. We've reshaped the swale with loan so that the storm water runoff will remain

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inside swell. as well as spreading seeds so that grass may grow and hold the shape of the waterway in the future. We also added fieldstones to the end of the waterway to diffuse storm water flow before it reaches the beach. A nearby

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resident was also kind enough to spread some hay over our grass seed to protect the and assist the grass in germinating quicker. Hopefully that's straw. >> I was going to say hope it's straw. It looks like it's straw. >> It does look like straw. It's zoom in.

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>> That's straw like to me. >> Yeah, there's no seeds in that. >> But those could hold. >> Yeah, it did a pretty good job. >> Y we'll see how that holds up. Very good. >> So, no enforcement order. >> No enforcement order. I don't see any

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need for enforcement or >> Okay. Massachusetts Association Conservation Commission of Membership Renewal. The price is 330 for commission and 65 for additional member. >> Yep. >> Do we need to approve that?

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>> Yeah, I would I would I would approve it for us to be members. I think it was what, $3.95 with me. And then um well, of course, I told Renee she wanted to do any trainings and stuff, but as far as prices, you only save like around 15 bucks per

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um course. So, unless she's taking a whole bunch of courses this year, I figured >> So, do you want the 330 plus the 65? >> 65 for me. Yep. >> Okay. Okay. So that's 395, >> correct?

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>> So make a motion to approve $395 for this association membership. >> Have a second. >> That made the second. Roll call vote. >> Andy I >> norm.

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>> Unanimous vote. Massachusetts solid if mun municipal conservation professional membership renewal price is increased from 20 to $50. >> This is something uh it's like a list serve for me. Um and I've been a member

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for a few years. It's very useful. I was surprised that the membership got hadn't gone up over double. Um but they had just told me about it. So, as far as putting it in the budget, but we should have enough under our dues

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and membership to cover that. >> I'll make I'll make a motion to approve that. I'll second it. >> Roll call vote. >> Andy, I norm. >> Unanimous vote. Old business. Rising corner, New England traffic, floating

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bridge. Anything new to report there? >> Yeah, I had a meeting with Dick Benoy. Benoy, is that how you pronounce his last name? Benoi. >> I think it's Benoi. >> Sounds familiar. >> It's French. Um, he uh basically had said that

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if we get him the poles, he will remove the old ones and replace the new ones so we don't really need to try to figure out how to take them out. >> That's the hard part. >> Yeah, the hard part. He said he has some sort of like u I forgot what he said, like a wenching thing. >> Um

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>> that's what they were talking about. Yeah, >> I think Dickell said they have to put some sort of a makeshift thing so that it doesn't buckle the surface of the >> Right. It doesn't surface >> has something to rest on. So, if that's what he's talking about, then that's fine. >> Yeah, he said he can do it. So, I just

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got to figure out where to >> where to get them. >> I looked online. They're pretty pricey. >> They are pretty pricey. >> Yeah. Might be good to talk to one of the machine shops to see. >> Yeah, you said that. That's a good idea, right? >> I'm not going to donate them. at least put them on one of their purchase orders

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and get it at a better price. You know, like Wall-E Precision or one of those guys might be able to get us a much better price on them. >> Do you have any contacts? >> Okay. >> I think my wife, right? >> Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. If you can get me a contact because I don't know anybody over there. >> All right. Got to substitute those things somehow. All right. Okay. Looking forward to a little engineering album issue. >> You can help him.

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>> Know how already figuring it out is the fun part. >> Okay. Next item. Discussion 159 Bergkshire. I have anything new to report there? >> I don't have anything. No. >> No. >> Okay. >> When do we look? Because I wasn't here in the last meeting. I don't know where

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we pretty deep last meeting. Yeah. Pictures and whatnot. Okay. >> Discussion of seasonal trash removal from conservation properties. Any update there? >> Hopefully, um, in the tonight's select board meeting, they had signed off on the seasonal agreement. I got his time

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card today. So, once I get that seasonal agreement signed off, um, I believe he can start. So, he'll be doing that >> this season. >> I know because Bert Bert lives right next door. So he's been kind of removing

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the trash too sometimes and I'm like that's >> Well, he volunteered to do that so I didn't even ask the other guy to do that. >> But yeah, but like so I don't know if you know I mean he does it because no one else is doing it. And then um >> you I think you probably I don't know if

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you were on the thing about Martha having the weed whacker um work done up by the memorial, >> right? Oh. Um, as this kind of little Well, no, it's on subject sort of. Um, >> sorry. >> So, I I'm sure you guys are all familiar

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with um Mr. Miles and the memorial that's up on the Soonowski property. Alan Miles was added to that over the weekend, I believe. So, >> and there's a sitting bench up there and it's currently overgrown with weeds. So

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Martha had suggested that someone um go up there on a regular basis to >> to weed whack. >> Yeah. And I thought that DPW did the lawnmowing down at by the garden. And I didn't know if we can ask them to do

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weed whacking. >> It's not DPW. It's um buildings and grounds. >> Oh. Oh, okay. >> I think I may have asked him, but he didn't respond. So I can ask him again. Um but yeah. Spray that stuff with something so

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>> Oh, yeah. Spray it. >> You can spray it. >> Sure. You can do I It's It's basically right next to the hay field, so I don't think you would want to spray anything. >> And they just

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did it seasonally. Won't come back. You know, you don't have to weed whack every two weeks because you will be. >> Yeah. Yeah. or like once a month or something just so it's not >> right >> you get

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>> and I think they use they just hate it right that's what she mentioned I think so right >> so I don't know if any chemicals could get onto that if they're using the hay for something >> the only thing is but usually like the labels have restrictions so if you spray

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within like 21 days like is usually like the harshest chemicals can't spray within 21 days of harvesting Um, >> but usually other thing like because we spray herbicides on some of our hay fields like that we own, right? >> So like broad leaf because we don't want clover and stuff like that. For people

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with horses, they want grasses. >> So, but like we do it early season and by the time we're cutting the chemicals haven't dissipated. So that' be the only thing is like you wouldn't want to spray and then cut it and pay it a few days afterwards. >> Okay. We would also need like

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>> a fully licensed >> herbicide expert who do it on >> right >> public land though. >> Let's just see if we can >> I don't have >> I don't have that yet. >> And nor do I have them nor do we have it

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in our budget. >> I mean just put down like a weed barrier and put some gravel on it. Maybe. >> Maybe. >> Oh, that might work. >> What was that? Geoexile or what was it called? Mulch it or something. >> Mulch it. >> Yeah, mulch is cheaper than double.

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>> We'll put a layer of cardboard down on >> Yeah, mulch. Maybe >> there you go. >> Something fall under the jurisdiction of open space. >> That's what I was just thinking. >> There's something for them. >> I'm now. So,

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>> could you read that that suggestion? I should Well, we'll probably talk about it in our meeting next meeting. So yeah. >> Yeah. >> So seasonal weed groweration non-chemically. >> I think it's a good idea for mulch to

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mulch it >> over there. Yeah. >> Yeah. So we'll probably talk about it saying that. Um she did the fixtures and everything. So I'm sure it'll be on the agenda. >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Nothing on the table item.

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Nothing on the 485 Lake View Drive obtaining wall. There was a conservation meeting in Stfield I did attend, but there wasn't anything major rel related to the to the lake on it. Any other thing from the

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conservation coordinator? >> Well, at the time we had nothing was >> okay. >> Nothing spoken of. >> Anybody else got anything they want to bring out? >> Sure. Hearing none, I will take a motion. I'll make a motion to go watch football. >> I think I'll second that.

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>> Normally close the meeting at 8:39. I'm