theater and problem three town hall. This is a zoom and hybrid meeting zoom and in person that is and we'll start by taking attendance. >> Robert Garvey Pratt Clark
>> Joly please note we have a call meeting's being recorded. If anybody else is reporting it, they'll need to get permission. >> First item on the agenda is public comment. Anybody in the audience would like to speak on anything on the agenda.
>> Uh I just wanted to state my case of 292 North Lumis. So I brought dirt into my property. I met with a couple people on Monday. >> Okay. We'll be discussing that shortly. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> All right. Thank you. >> Yep.
>> All right. Anybody online? >> There's no one else online. >> Nobody else online. >> Okay, let's go to the first item on the agenda. Public hearings. >> Abbreviated notice of reserve area
delineation 331 North Lumis Street >> 292-0436 being continued from the last meeting. >> So, um, Ryan Nelson would like to set up a site visit. He said he sees you any
time on the 20th, the 23rd, the 24th, or the 25th. I will not be here on the 20th. Um, so when do you guys want to go? >> Are those weekdays?
>> Probably. >> Yeah. Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday of next week. >> I can't make that. build 24 hours. >> Any time during the day, he said. >> Okay. Why open up the moment for me? All
three days. I can do Wednesday. >> Do Wednesday. >> Wednesday's what? The 25th. >> The 25th. >> Got him. >> Um, >> what time's good? We said, >> "I think I need to take my mom to a
doctor's appointment for 4, but that doesn't mean you guys can't go without me. You're the same." >> I know. >> Where is it again? >> This is at 331 North Limit Street, the
160 acre part of Wind. >> Bring your Bring your hiking boots. Did you get the time? >> No, we're trying to figure out the >> Oh, it's 2 o'clock. Then we'd like to be able to have you there. >> I can't it. My My mom's disabled, so it
takes things me a lot longer to get her. So, I would probably be gone for the >> like afternoon. >> How about late morning? >> I can probably do late morning. >> 11 o'clock. >> Like 11. Can it do 11? >> 11. Okay.
>> 11 o'clock. When's 11 a.m. So, do we need to continue this to the next meeting? >> Yes. >> I take a mo I take a motion for that. >> Making a motion to continue. >> I'll second. >> Chris made the motion to continue. Second by Kevin. All in favor? Roll call
vote. >> I Chris >> I normous vote. Next item is a notice of intent continuation for 6 South Lumis Street
292-0432. >> They have just paid um for the peer review for the storm water. So that's going to be continued. >> Okay, we'll make the motion to continue. >> I'll make the motion to continue. >> Second.
>> Kevin made the motion with that second. Roll call vote. I >> Chris Brown I >> norm Andy I >> unanimous vote request for determination of applicability RDA from two Hmel Street continued from last meeting.
>> Uh Anatoli said that he will have the delineation ready for the April 6th meeting. >> We need a motion to continue this to the next meeting. >> Make a motion to continue. >> Second. >> Matt made the motion. Chris made the second. Roll call vote.
>> I Chris >> I norm. >> Kevin I >> Andy I unanimous vote to continue. >> I know. >> No nine o'clock tonight. Norm. >> No. >> We're moving right along. >> Okay. >> Okay. Now we're going to move to new
business. Possible violation 292 North Numa Street. Would you care to come up and join us? Bring your >> chair. We need your name and address for the >> Say that again. >> We need your name and address for >> Anthony Dorsy, 292 North Lum Street.
>> Okay. I understand we had a we had a site visit. >> Yeah, we did a site visit Monday. So, I used Onyx, which is like a GPS app, and we went over the boundaries and everything. And uh then uh Sabrina had
brought a overview or had an overview picture and I took it and actually made a scale out of it so I could follow the scale. That's actually the picture right there. So because it wasn't really defined when I stood with Onyx, I felt like I didn't quite encroach it, but it
is very close. But after I did it, I did go over on the north or on the south side near my property pin by like 10 feet is what I'm thinking. And the way I want to fix it is just
grade the hill off, uh, lom it, seed it, and then put a rock wall right at that buffer line so I can't go beyond it. Oh, good. >> And I drew a little scale down there and everything of where I would put it. It would be 30 feet off the back of my barn
and 12 feet northwest of my property pit on the south corner. >> Anybody at the site visit have any additional comments and really suggested hay bales? >> Yeah, so I I did hay waddle down on the
bottom uh or be behind everything. I sent some pictures in. I think I did like uh like 150 ft of hay water through the woods below. >> Um so we don't exactly know where the resources
are. Um >> so there's no delineation or >> there's no delineation. So we were just using um GIS data. Uh, for some reason I can't >> Was it far enough out to
definitely? >> So, >> did I say one thing? I'm like 35 ft above the wetland and I didn't bring the dirt over the toe of the hill. It's right to the top of the hill and I continued the grade of the hill up. So,
right where the grade top of the hill was, I came up about six feet in elevation and like a 12t run. Yeah, >> pretty big size logs laid all the way across
>> that prevent erosion. >> Yeah, that that I think will hold about anything. You know, >> just any additional runoff. That's why it was suggested the hay bales and he's going to do >> it's getting to be the rainy season. >> I already did the I already did the hay
water. It's all in place. So, >> what Sabrina? Um, I mean my suggestion is a wetland delineation so we know what's out there. Let me just check on a local 2021.
So here is the map of the for 2021. Um, and right here is sort of like um a little drop off area that was told to us that it was a probably um
carved out by the previous farmer, a neighbor. >> There is there is like old uh irrigation pipes that go through my backyard. There's an access road down to the wa down to the water that is partially on my property and partially on the neighbors, but they used to pull water out of there because it was all tobacco
fields up top. >> Yeah. >> So, and MT um made an observation that when the waters are really really high, that's probably where it stops. Um if we look at the layers,
>> there's a history of a beaver dam too where it was >> it's possible >> high. I know there were on Sherw there was done by sub property. >> So just think the idea is that >> ordinarily
I think this the work runs like that. >> Yeah. Let me get um the I think 203. >> Yeah. >> When flood season it probably doesn't make the turn and just engulfs all of this. So there is this kind of cut out
where where you can tell that every so often the water goes and leaks up that part. Were you planning on doing any additional work out there? >> No, I just I'm trying to make more room on my property and >> I was going to just stop it right at the rock wall. >> It's far enough away that it's not going
to be a problem. If it is a problem, then >> we'd have to do enforcements and stuff like that. >> Let me just show you >> friendly enforcements. Yeah, not me being reversed. >> So, >> but in the meantime, if you wanted to get a delineation, you know, that could
probably help you out and >> I mean, I would like to just come up with the buffer line right here and call it a day. That's what I'm trying to get over just be done with it and grade everything off and I don't like what I drew I think is within that line like that 100 foot from the edge. I know we
don't know if that's the right edge, but I don't care. like I just want to be over with it and grow grass all around it. >> This is a request for determination if we thought it was obvious enough. >> The line is pretty distinct at the bottom. >> Pretty obvious. >> Yeah. So,
and determined that's where the >> Yeah. It's almost like someone dug a trench right there, you know, took off and slope. They just is more like a wall. >> Save them some money on it. The lineator. >> Yeah. of this pine tree right here is
basically on that little edge. Um, if I zoom in, you can kind of see it, that line. Um, >> and so I said that it looks like we didn't have that rangefinder. We have the rangefinder now. Um, it looked like
it was like around 50 ft. >> 50 feet from the edge of the wetland. >> If we are calling that the edge of the wetland. That's a pretty steep drop. I mean, this doesn't really The picture doesn't adjust stoop because it makes it look like it's flat. >> Yeah.
>> But it's a pretty dist not even gradual. It just kind of goes all the way down. >> Very metric measuring from wetland or riverfront. >> Well, there's both. >> Well, we doing the one that's the vertice. >> Yeah, it can have both, right?
>> Wait, what? >> You would be measuring from one or the other. determines closest whichever pushes it back furthest is the one you're going to be using. >> It's not in Riverfront area. Has that been determined? >> Um I don't have
No, I it hasn't been determined >> because this is this image is from 2023. I think he just did the work over the winter. >> Yeah. All in probably in January. >> Yeah. I don't have an updated image. We have, you know, the river here,
but I don't know how far out he actually cleared. So, I can't tell you if it's within riverfront or not. >> You have the rangefinder now. >> I have the rangefinder now, but >> when we when we stood there, we were standing at the top of the hill and using Onyx. Onyx has like a a scale and
we picked out the closest edge of the river and at the top of my slope was 200 feet. >> Break a slope. You're not right. Yeah, >> it was actually we were kind of arguing over 70 yards or 67. 67 yards is 200 feet and it was bouncing between that
and 210. >> So, so you think we can determine that on our own or >> can we do can we do the rangefinder when we do the other site visit? Would that
kind of we'll leave it a little stop by and then just do a simple RDA and >> if it's within reason, it's within reason. >> I'm not necessarily concerned about the buffer. I'm concerned about riverfront
because it's more protected and I >> Oh, is the river prize the edge of the high water mark? Is that obvious where that is? >> Look at the picture. This is what I'm going by. >> It looks like it. This is the picture. Yeah. I haven't been out there though. >> So, right where that finger right where
that finger is is where I scaled from with like I said, Onyx is is Onyx. It's a hunting app. You I pay like 150 bucks a month for it. >> So, from the edge the closest edge of that river to your work area is how many feet? >> 200.
>> 200. So, you're with your >> I believe the top of my hill is 200. There's a six-foot drop off like this where I might have encroached it on the hill, but that buffer line is the top of the slope, but it did bounce. Like I said, it was bouncing between that 10
ft. So, it's either giving me the 10 ft, which would be the bottom, or the back. >> Sounds like it's close. >> It's like a defined ledge. Couple of feet off. >> Yeah, he's not planning on doing any work out there. This is just what's already. >> He's not doing anything that way. Yeah.
>> I mean, what would be the remedy? >> Make him pull the hill back. I mean, >> yeah. >> That might be causing more problem than >> he does want to put up a rock wall. >> Rock wall would be good. Yeah. >> I was going to in put the rock wall, like I said, 30 feet off the barn. It's
well beyond the 200 foot buffer and it's going to go straight across 10 feet or 12 feet. >> Throw grass beyond sewing wall. >> Yeah. I'll throw like a wild land seed and then >> you could do the reinforcement and bypass the RDA and
>> just tell me he needs to put up the the uh erosion control in the wall. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> So, >> so if I just throw wild seed or whatever. Yep. >> That makes sense. Stabilize the area.
Mhm. >> Anybody have a problem with doing front of the enforcement? >> No. Sounds good to me. >> Not at all. >> Want to make that a motion? >> I make a motion. >> I'll second. >> That has made a motion Kevin made to
second. >> I think I have to abstain. We're almost related. >> Is Chad your brother? >> Yeah. >> Damn, my cousin. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They just got engaged. Oh, related half. >> Any further discussion or debate?
>> Well, that was a friendly enforcement. >> That's reasonable being off the site and seeing it with the logs there and everything. >> It's pretty stable. Awesome. >> Roll call vote. I >> norm
Andy I >> um >> 64 and one abstension >> we'll do maintain >> I did that cuz I knew we had the vote so >> we have a time frame on this immediately for the they already have the >> yeah so the ground I'm not going to lie like the dirt that I had brought in was
a lot of frost so I would like to give it a minute to kind of just settle so I can work with it cuz I mean after this rain and Probably in the next two weeks it'll be good. >> A reasonable time if you're going to be able to get the wall up. >> Uh probably knock it out in like 3 weeks.
>> Two weeks. Yeah. A month. Yeah. >> I think so. That's >> I just want to make sure the dirt's workable. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. >> Very wet right now. So >> we don't make it any worse. >> Yeah. >> We're going to do a followup site specifically. I'm >> do follow up. >> All right.
>> So write this up to you. Um and then let us know when you're done. Yeah. >> M m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m m maint maintain um those erosion control like the >> y >> the hay that you have all around and the straw bales.
>> Yep. >> Um and just keep an eye on that to make sure nothing's going downhill. >> So the logs that I have there right now for just like buffering the hill to like protect the slope right now, I think we should probably pull them out though, right? Or do you want them to stay?
I may want to leave those there until you got your mix and then that part that until that starts sprouting and then you can pull those >> put more mix there. >> That's or do you want to leave them there? >> I can grade the hill a lot better without them there. But I can put them
whatever you guys want me to do. >> Yeah, >> I would leave them >> leave them right there. All right. >> Cuz it's doing what it's supposed to do. Taking them out might complicate things. >> Have you seen it been out there? Have you been out there? >> Yeah, I was going to see it. So,
>> all right. >> Yeah, I was I just use them there. I can >> Yeah, >> I can do whatever you guys want me to do. >> They'll grow roots and they'll be good. All right, that's cool. >> Whole thing. >> Yeah, >> the logs are up there. >> Yeah.
>> Oh, they're not really >> calling us logs. >> Thank you for coming in. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Well, I want to be on I want to be on the right with everything. I mean, >> we appreciate >> being in the wrong and dealing with it, you know.
>> Yeah. Some people we have like nobody usually responds like this is like the quickest I feel like somebody's responded and resolved like for months. >> For some reason, it's not showing. >> Don't worry about it. We're good. The
case we're good. Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it. Thanks. >> I have a general question here. Do we have like a BMP manual that we follow? >> Best management practices. >> Yeah. For what?
>> Log store for logging for erosion control. So that kind of thing or we just I've never seen logs be used as an erosion control before. >> He's got a model too. He said >> that that's normal. But >> I've seen tires used. >> So we don't >> we wouldn't call it best management
practice, but it's there and it's serving the purpose. So I think so. >> So yeah. Yeah. We wouldn't normally say, oh yeah, use logs, but they're there. And I think just like what they were saying, it's essentially there. >> Let's not disturb it anymore at this point. >> So I guess in in theory, if he was like,
no, I'm not doing anything. Do we we don't have a document to point to to be like, well, per this per our board, we say that we're going to put uh, you know, silt fence erosion control. We're going to put >> friendly enforcement. Yeah. It wouldn't be so friendly. Yeah. But what are you pointing to to to derive that power to do that?
>> It's enforcement order that is in the law to do that. >> He possibly could have encroached. So he could have made him go back and get a delineation, do the measurements, come back into a meeting, pay for the uh >> sure, >> you know, all that stuff. >> I understand that. But >> jump through the hoops.
>> So we just kind of can say do your best to to stabilize it with whatever you got to stabilize with. I mean the plan that he had just now with the plantings the rock wall there it's going to work >> but we just blanketly be like yeah we think that's a good idea that worked okay
>> think so all right >> the straw that he's put down goes around the downhill side of the logs or was his intention I haven't seen it >> built in the conditions where somebody came in with a plan and we can say no that you know we want it done another one
>> fair enough okay help these a little bit for they were laid down. They wanted a reasonable lot to do. Like he made sure that they were >> somewhat interlock with one another so that they weren't just tossed there. >> Yeah. >> They weren't just bulldozed, you know?
It was just kind of like it was one then another and then one and then another like it was done with some calculation. So >> what best management practices do does ever source straw waddles, silk fence
that they >> Yeah. Um I think the local ones created by time bond and it's extensive. >> They create they create >> Yeah. It shows you how to build a road. It shows you how to stay floods of slope. It shows you how it shows, you know, it's a manual ethic. >> Yeah. Well, let me say there's
one that we refer to, but the state wrote it and I can't remember off the top of my head. Just best management practice. >> Well, for logging the BMPs for logging >> for logging. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Sure.
>> Good job, Sabrina. That was got that cleared up right away. That could have been gone on forever. >> Yep. >> Next item. Notice of chapter 61 removal 177 close Anderson Road. Would you pull that up that location?
>> I'll try to share that. >> This one came in like exact time the new procedure went into place. So I don't know if it's part of the new procedure or not. >> Well, I did everything I was supposed to. Um once we got it, I timestamped it
and then sent a copy off select board. >> Okay. >> Can they send it around to all the other? >> They should be sending it. Yes. So this is what 177. >> First you're supposed to go to this >> select board. We're supposed to go to the CAO for >> make sure it's complete. >> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Then to the other location. >> Yeah. Because we don't even know if it's complete. A lot of times they come in not complete. >> Right. >> Well, what happened was um >> correctly. They each each like entity got certified mail from them and I was the first one to well I think Renee
opened the mailbox first and then she handed it to me. So I was the first one to get it timestamped and then yeah >> but everybody got the copy simultaneously the fan day but the time stamp's not going to it's not going to count >> if it's not complete.
>> If it's not complete right how many days do we get to review that time? I think it's 120, isn't it? >> That's the state law. What about the town review before they sign off on it? >> They >> I don't know. >> That's pretty important because if they only give you,
>> you know, a week or two weeks to look at it and say, I want it or I don't want it. >> When I read it, it seemed like about 30 days. >> 30 days. >> In my head, for some reason, I don't know why. >> When I read that email, >> a lot of times these lawyers will come in and they want to close week.
>> Yeah. Yeah. world. We don't want to hold up her clothing, >> right? >> That's not the proper way to do it. So, find out how much time we have to >> Well, I can I can have a look at my emails >> because theoretically, we'd like to
bring this if we we're not going to have the money to do it. Bring it to a land trust and see if the land trust is interrupted in our conservation restriction or preserving it somehow. And that takes a couple of weeks anyway just to get
that pro part of the process. >> You know, >> we never we never exercised the chapter 61 >> and reviewing the document that came out the new process laws. There's nothing times time days. >> Is that it right there?
>> Yeah. >> Okay. So that's why Okay. So then it should be 120 then, right? If it's if they don't mention time, >> well, that means they can do it whenever they want. They just have a selector meeting and say nobody's responded. It's
been two weeks. Nobody's responded. >> Okay, I understand what you mean. >> We need to have a time and get back to them somewhere. >> Well, I was just curious to see if there if we would have any interest in this particular part. >> Right. I think, you know, we might be able to just make a decision tonight.
It's looks like it's 100% wooded. >> 100% wooded. Um it looking at the state data, we've got our D wetlands.
We've got natural heritage. Let's just get So nothing in the natural heritage. Not a lot of what? At least from GIS standpoint. >> It's chapter 61, not 61A.
>> Um, >> can't be 61A because there's no fields out there. >> I think there's 61. >> I would say that the property that he has on Ed Hulcom and Claw Anderson 61A because there's hay fields on that one. He has 50 acres on the corner. >> There no there no fields on that, right?
>> No, no, no, no. There's two separate parcels. >> Oh, there's two separate parcels. There's this one that's 17 and then he has another one that's 50 acres. If you if you go more east toward like it's not in the screen where where Sabrina is. You'd have to you'd have to go the other way. He has a parcel that's 50 acres.
>> Just check >> that one's probably 61A. This is chapter 61 I would assume because like you said there's no fields there. >> Is that stream is that Johnson Brook? That's >> 61A. They said on the notice. >> Yeah. That's why it surprised me how that could be in 61A because
>> well because it was even though they're separate parcels see how the see Sabrina go to your right >> right >> the right there one more right there that >> that right there that's the other partial so maybe they just file them all together because there's 61A land there
>> the paperwork only talks about the 17 acres >> I understand that he's not taking the 50 acres out I think like the only one that's for sale is the 17 acres Okay. >> I um I was told that >> it Yeah. And it specifically says 177
Claus Anderson 17 acres. >> What would this go to the space? >> No, he can sell it for development. Okay. >> So, looks like um just from looking at the purchase and sale agreement,
it's a developer who does like retirement living. >> What's the price? What's it going for? >> 585. >> 85 for both parcels.
>> 5.85. >> 585. >> It was 17 acres. >> For 17 acres. >> It's good. It's good price. >> It's a nice road. >> Well, at this time I don't think we have any money and or any land trust.
>> It's we got nothing near there that we currently have for our controls. Right. >> That's not a vernal pool in the middle, is it? >> No, that's just a that's the >> that's shows on the map. That's the place. It's very It's very possible
there's vernal pools out there that haven't been documented, but >> at least looking at just looking at this GIS, it looks relatively dry. >> Personally, I don't know, we would really have much interest there. And then the thing is there's already a
bunch of houses there. It's not like continuous like there's no continuous land to like tie it all into, right? No extraordinary resources there that we want to >> Yeah. >> that we know of that we want to protect. >> What's that? What's that?
>> 150,000. Well, it's 400 >> 585. >> Selling lots. There two acres. Oh, twoacre lots. >> They're already selling lots >> right there. >> He's already got it subdivided. >> We may be too late. >> They're already selling lots. They
haven't even sold the property yet. They haven't even got it signed off for chapter development. Did it say who's selling it? >> Well, agent come with a push the button,
Dennis. >> McN, he's the >> I couldn't say anything out loud. >> Blue Sky Builders. We had a huge lawsuit with him. deep buildings of SWAT, three houses out on more fighting road and one
lots still not develop >> a driveway that wasn't permitted and there's a there's five is on the inside. So he's got one, two, three, four and then five with like a cut through >> and then six and seven. >> Seven lots on that.
>> How many lots? Seven. >> Seven. >> How much road frontage? >> They got them beat up this way. >> There's actually quite a lot of road frontage. And then there's one that goes back >> and then an estate in the back >> here and then Yeah. >> Well,
>> yeah, there's a lot of frontage. >> That's the future. >> Let's see why measuring. I know one of the one of the the property owners that buds that was trying to buy that and I think he was trying to buy it with a couple other people cuz he didn't want
anybody to build there but I don't think the deal they couldn't whoever he was buying it with you know I think it was a couple neighbors were trying to buy it >> um just to stop anyone want >> but I don't think it ever something happened with one of the other partners
couldn't come up with financing or something they should definitely be why is this not working. >> Measure the length, please. >> I would assume on the Zillow thing it might say there's no >> width. Yeah.
>> Well, little pocket. >> Most of the Yeah, this is like over,000 ft of fage. It's good frontage. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, >> I don't know how he's going to squeeze in a lot in here. >> Yep. And that's going to be the estate lot with >> that many lots. You need 200 feet for a
>> They do have 200 feet. >> No, no, I know what I'm saying. To get seven lots, you'd have to have at least a couple estate lots, right? >> I don't I >> six lots. Six lots. Sorry. Six. Five in the back. Back lot has the biggest acreage. >> Six flats all together.
>> Six all together. Yeah. >> But it goes one, two. So this is kind of upside down, but it starts here with one. >> Yep. And then Drew's right next to it. Do you want me to just look it up on
Zillow? >> Sure. Yeah, you might as well. You want me to send it, too? >> No. Zillow 177 lots. >> I'm surprised he would buy any property this high.
>> Look at that. >> Disney state, man. >> There you go. the one see how like and he calls the five five in a state lot but if you slide up a little so this little bubble here >> I can't slide up
>> is the wet land >> okay I can >> and he calls it just wrote wet >> this >> and then but this goes like this and goes in like that >> okay
>> where's the driveway going to be like Where was the septic tank going? >> That means there's like 12,200 ft of road. No. >> Yeah, it was a little over a little over a thousand feet.
>> So, okay. >> Oh, it's too bad we can't uh >> this was comingve >> if it goes through. >> Yeah, we can't preserve everything. >> Anyway, >> we don't have the means to if we wanted to at this point, but or
>> do you want to make a recommendation back to CEO and select board? >> No interest. >> I don't think so. >> Probably not. >> I don't think we >> I don't see any interest. >> I'd like to tie him up if that wouldn't be.
>> You didn't say that. >> Okay. From the record. >> Want to make that a motion, Dennis? >> Yes. I'll make that a motion. >> I'll second. I must read a motion seconded by Chris. Any further discussion or debate call I Chris
>> I norm Andy I >> unanimous vote. >> Okay. The next item is from the economic development commission. Uh can I share now? >> Yeah. before I stop sharing
might >> Okay. So, the Economic Development Commission add a action item on the master plan to update resources on the Econ Economic
Development Commission website including zoning map, farm stands, link, recreational and cultural events and passive recreational opportunities and start social media account to connect intergenerate generate generational
athletes. Sorry about that. And this is their website and it's got a number of good things. U and we are a support staff to this particular
master plan action item. So he's reaching out basically saying do we want to do anything to assist him to develop to to complete this project? And if you go to shop on Southwick, they have categories.
They have 27 restaurants, eight autos and trucks, family and community, seven financial insurance, realy 11. >> And what you can do is you can click click on any one of these.
>> I'm just for the heck of it picking bakeries and there's three. >> Two of them. Big W is a bakery is a bakery. bakery. >> They have a bakery, but it's a supermarket. >> It's also called the sushi restaurant children. >> Yeah, they got that. So,
>> okay. You can uh let's look at recreation. >> All right. Yeah, we'll do that in a minute. >> Open mute. >> Okay. >> Um restaurants. If you click on the restaurants, there's 27 of them.
is Big W restaurant also. >> Yes. Tables and you get a slice and sit down. >> You can click on these and you it'll go to their websites. >> If Duncan's restaurant and once you're in their website, you
can get their menus. Okay. >> Look at that. >> All right. So, recreation. Here's the list of things here. And I looked at hiking before because that impacts us the most. And what do they have on here? They have an Gorgey, New
England Scenic Trail, not five. Yep. >> Wildlife management. >> So, are those active lakes? >> Yeah. >> Here's North Pond. This is the description. There's the website. Click on it.
I don't think on a leash. Why does it say that? >> Oh, we need to update that. >> Look at update website. >> If you if you allow hunting, you don't I don't think you can mandate dogs stay on a leash. You know, if they're not hunting, they
have to be on a leash. >> Yeah. If you're training your dog or actively hunting, then they don't have to be on a leash. >> Just like on the state. Yeah, >> WMA. >> Yeah, I'll have Jim update that. I didn't know it was still closed to the website.
>> I can't go back. I don't know why I can't back. >> Pretty thorough. >> Yeah, I think it's pretty thorough. >> Interesting. >> And they also have business assistance on there. If you're looking to start a business, they got different things you
can click on to assist you on that. Some reason I can't seem to go back. I don't know why. >> Top left up there. Huh? Top left. >> Up right above there. Backwards. >> Back area. >> You're left the other way. This tree will get you
back, too. >> I can't get rid of this thing. There we go. >> Oh, you're blocked. >> Boom. >> There it is. All right. business assistance. There's a number of different things you can
>> What's the uh what's the address on that? Is it something easy to write down? >> Well, this is right on if you go to the Southwood web page. >> Yeah. >> With an economic development web page in that. >> There's a link on there. >> There's a link on that. >> Okay. Check it out.
>> Okay. >> Nice. >> So, inut. >> Yeah. I was uh I'm impressed with what they've done and and unless somebody feels there's more we can do, I feel I can make a motion. >> I think it's great.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I just wish we still had our open space link that we could I put together this motion. I'll read that. The conservation commission has reviewed your request for the completion of master plan action item econom economic development 1.2 two
and believes the economic develop division has done an impressive job on enhancing the website and we endorse the acceptance of the completion of this action item. >> I'll second that. Nor made the motion. I got a copy of this for you. >> Thank you.
>> Any further discussion today? >> Well done. Call us. You Jerry Femini Andy, >> do you want me to write something up? >> Would you >> to for Yeah, I can do that.
>> Okay, very good. Thank you. Next item on the under new business. Review the open space recreation plan 2019 26 comments for submitt to the open space and land management committee. And this came from
Martha Kaine saying these were the action items that in the past the conservation commission has had responsibility for Sabrina you're working on now right >> I just did my own >> oh you did your own >> but I have my own responsibilities that's what I was working on
>> so I gave you guys all little package the last meeting and I was like >> so we're going to do individual not as a commission >> I mean you can do it as a commission there's a lot of stuff there. >> I sent mine. >> You sent yours already? >> Yeah. >> To me?
>> Yeah. >> Like next day. >> You did? >> You need retirement. >> I'll have to look. >> In the morning. >> That's the beauty of it. >> You want me to send out the Mets? >> Yeah. The Mets because it get redundant
if we'll make comments on that. Right. >> Something about It's a good idea. >> What was it that something was more conservation than really open space. I said generally it looks good. I can find it but I sent you
something like um but uh well it wasn't a lot basically. Not really. So >> So while you're looking that up, >> who else got action items? Do you remember?
>> Um what do you mean? where you said you gave one to Matt >> copy of the copy of what I think that's in your hand. >> I have that here. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Like so everyone got one in the last
meeting. >> Well, instead of everybody comment on their own, we'll just comment on it as a commission. So everybody will have this same paper. There will be seven different pieces of paper floating around with the same thing. we want to
not do our research and then our next meeting we'll discuss it. >> That'd be great. Okay, everybody all right with that? >> So, we're looking at who's going to take responsibility for what's on that paper or we're looking to adjust some of the responsibilities even. >> So, these are the goals from the last
open space plan, >> right? >> And Martha wants an update. Were they completed? um is it accurate to even have us as a have as a responsibility? Do we want it >> as a responsibility in the next one?
>> So, she wanted us basically to comment on all of those. There's a lot of stuff in there and I think um certain areas were kind of broadly put into who's responsible because there's like planning board, select select board, conservation commission
sometimes are all responsible for one goal. Um, >> some of them were didn't look like they we fit into those categories. Is that what you're saying? Yep. >> Yeah. >> At least >> like they keep seeing. That's what my reply was back on an email when we got to the
>> We got >> No, that was for Sorry, that was for CPC. >> Yeah, we got one for CPC. >> Different one. Sorry. >> No, we'll just take the Mets. We'll >> that get back with comments on that. We put them all together. >> I'd like to have their comment >> uniform. >> Okay. Okay. So, we'll just revisit the
next meeting. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> You make that a motion. >> I'll make a motion. Revisit this next meeting. >> Okay. I'll second that. Roll call vote. >> I And I unanimous vote tabled into the
next meeting. Next item on the agenda goes to old business. Request for certificate of compliance one Hudson Drive 292-0410 and the vote to release the 10,000 B.
Any update on that? >> We'll have a site visit on Thursday at 11:00 I think. Let me >> No, it was later. It's like a two.
>> Was it two? can find you. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Through 2 PM we'll have a site visit one Hudson Drive. So if any of you guys want to join. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> Okay. Which one? Two >> o'clock
>> Andy's place. >> One Hudson Drive when >> on a th on this Thursday. >> Next item. discussion of associate members for the com for the commission. Any updates on that?
>> Um, not necessarily. I watched the select board meeting and um it sounded like they were kind of going back and forth on whether or not um I guess maybe I need to take a step
back. So, the associate member is the voting member. No, the alternate member is the voting member. The associate is what Bob is right now. So during the select board meeting, they were using the term
associate member, but I think what they meant is an alternate member because they kept mentioning the voting part and how we need to go into the special act to change the um local legislation >> and also the state.
>> Uhuh. I think the state has to approve as well >> and the state has to approve it. And um it seems like Doug was kind of on the fence of going the route through the state especially because we have something >> already pending and he didn't want to
mess that up. >> Um but he also mentioned that if the concom is actually really really interested in it that he would definitely um visit it but I think we would need to like attend another meeting. >> Yeah. Um, >> I mean, if if we had trouble
with making a quorum, >> right, >> then I would, >> right, >> be all in on it, >> right? >> We have not really had that kind of a problem. >> Not recently, >> right? We used to have a problem. >> We used to have we used to have a problem >> like two years ago, three years ago
>> before you came back. >> Before you came back has something to do with that maybe. I don't know. But the planning board needed to have that extra member because they had that super majority for some votes. We don't have that. >> Yeah, we don't necessarily have to have
that. Um, >> but yeah, let's just keep it the way it is for now. >> It's not hard anything, right? No. >> Yeah. >> So, why don't we revisit this when >> when we get the the re-election issues? >> Yeah.
>> One thing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I agree. Any problem with that? >> Make a motion to revisit. >> Okay. Roll call. >> I norm.
>> Andy. I unanimous vote. Discussion of fall planting plan for North Quan Conservation Area. >> You guys have a little packet from Kevin. I went out there this past weekend and I measured the three areas
of uh necessity or interest that we've been talking about. I kind of drew an overall map so we can see them together and then I drew up like a blow up of the three plantings. Um I based basically
the amount of trees per planting off of square footage wise. I think the second two are quite a bit bigger than the first one that we're talking about doing this year. Um, so I guess really the thing is just putting any comment on I guess the amount of plants. We've
already talked about that a lot if we think we need to adjust that amount of stuff we're buying and also I gave an option for the third phase three I'll call it to three years from now in that area. It's it's not the the the forest
around it's not very thick. So, I talked with Sabrina today. My thoughts when I was out there is if we do plant it, people are just going to walk around everything. It's going to be very hard to totally choke it off. So, and there's no access really from that part of the conservation area down, you know, those
three trails. So, I was thinking, I know that we're not supposed to create new trails, but depending on what the CR like how you interpret the words, I don't really know because that was before me. But what if we were to do like a a keystone pathway or something >> could create it? We just have to go
through the state, >> right? But could we just since this is like they're already could we still do it under the RDA where essentially fixing a problem that's already there and that's the the solution fix problem is also that's incorporated in. Could it just be the RDA and we just say option
two on the packet? Can we just do that? Well, because part of the Sier not to create new pathways. It would have to go through the state camp as part of the RDA to go through >> and maybe we don't. >> No, I think it's a great idea. >> They like the idea of giving somebody a
pathway to create >> mean you can walk over land and it's just going to get eroded wrecked. Yeah. Yeah. So, if you give them a place to go, >> that's what and and the way I shoot like showed like a little like drawing of like like you'd have to like walk to like a little like fence, you know, so you have to stop the ATVs and stuff like
that. Um people like Yeah, that's it right there. >> So, I don't know. It's just >> Yeah. I don't know if it over complicates phase three or not, but we really >> Well, I mean, they're going to give us a yes or a no. >> We're doing it in phases anyway, so we got time to, >> right? So would we still want to do
option that option in the RDA and then we just wouldn't be able we wouldn't be able >> we're not going to follow through with it until we get the state approval. If they don't then we would have to approve it. >> You don't have >> they may get fine if I say just put stakes and flags instead of you know crushed.
>> Well I mean the peace stuff might keep things from eroding. >> It's a better idea. >> It's permeable too. So it would take water versus like something where you have runoff with it. That's why I thought peace stone. They might even have they might even have a better idea. Yeah. I mean, it's good to collaborate.
>> Yeah. >> But I think we really just need to decide if we like the amount of planting so we can get that going. >> The only question I had was the layout of the planting. Is that >> that's just okay. >> Yeah. When we get there, that's just a general like showing this is how many
we're going to have, but we can when we're there, we can decide. >> The way I'm looking at coral that usually likes to clump together more, spread it out, it might not do as well. >> Correct. Yeah. I mean that that's just a general like you get what I mean >> just so there's this many of this this many of that and when we get out there
we can decide where we plant it >> sometimes a nice head for all that keep yeah exactly and that's the only like go through that >> maybe we want to get more of it I don't know you know what I mean but that that first one we're talking about this year is it's it's maybe five feet wide it's
very tight and the mountain lure is very thick on the sides of that first one >> okay >> it's very good. >> It's already pretty like you're not going to like off of it. You know what I mean? It's it's very narrow. But the other ones, especially the third one, it's pretty like
>> you could just go anywhere through there. It's like thin pine, you know? >> That's why I was thinking a pathway pass. Good job. I >> also check with lake management. We can have the both.
uh to put the pump on it. And the only open issue there is we just make sure we got the right connections from the pump to the hose. We might need >> generator too. >> You got a generator? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Great. There.
>> No. Um we'll update the what's already written with the RDA include this and then hopefully Connor will be I thought I should have took photo. Do you want photographs for the RDH? I
didn't take any photographs of the three trails. I could always go out there maybe this weekend and take photographs or something and then submit it. So we you're probably going to want maybe like a view of the upper, you know, from the lake up and then down from each trail. Maybe six photos is probably
>> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. Anybody got anything else on >> just one thing? Did we also want to do the one over >> by the rope swing? >> Rope sway. >> Well, you want to see how that
establishes on its own first for a little while. It's all fenced off. >> Yeah, it is fenced off. There's like trees and stuff along the way. So, >> yeah. >> I didn't do any of that. I thought that we had talked about we were going to do these three and then see how that was and then address the rope swing area
after. >> Yeah. Yeah, that'll work. My thing is that'll work. >> So, all right. Then we'll move on. That was s notice.
>> Do we are we good for the amount of trees though? Because I was going to call and get a a purchase order going. Bob >> for phase one. This the only one that we need to know. >> Sorry. >> 10 red oaks and 24 white pine.
>> Uh no, that's for phase one five. >> Five red oaks, 10 white pine, I think. And like >> 24 >> phase one. >> It looks 35. >> That one looks pretty dense. Phase three.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, so you have five red oak >> 10 white pine and 20 m oil for phase one because we need to order the stuff soon. Is that why I'm at right on the edge last year, right? >> Yeah. So, if anybody thinks we need anything different with the amount,
>> I guess speak now of forever hold your piece. >> I mean, >> I like the Mount Laurel. There's a lot of them there. >> Well, a lot of Mount Laurel. I like that idea because that's going to keep people from passing. >> Okay. Yeah. And they said it's only five feet wide. So 20 of them I mean I think was enough but
>> yeah. >> Okay. Quantity looks good to me. >> That's fine. Quantity. All right. >> Drill. Excellent. Good job. >> So I guess you could put that order in.
>> Yeah. I'm send it to you. Yeah. >> Okay. Back to the agenda. ever source notice of tree work along Anderson North Lumis and South Lumis update. >> I asked them if they had any sort of invasive species mitigation plan and I
also mentioned the mats. They responded saying that they don't use the mats for for road work along the road. So that's all they got. >> Okay. Next discussion uh table meeting on the
on the open space charter. Anything to bring up on that one? Okay. Discussion on 159 Brookshire Avenue. Anything to bring up on that one? Uh, no. Other than the fact that I'll
probably be going walking along the rail trail just to have a look at that um stream or swale or whatever it is sometime within the next few weeks. >> Great. Did we uh talk to the LMC about getting a request for determination on
that? >> Uh it it that part of the discussion did not come up. >> Okay. Dick was gonna get with Strong Water John Dyer to go one-on-one on his issues with >> Nice if we get something in writing. Can
I just find them? >> Yeah. Okay. Trash removal. Any updates on that one? >> Yeah. Um Bert Hansen said that he will do trash removal for the Sofanowski property this year. I thought I had a
leave for the other properties for someone who's involved with um it's like a tax write off program or something that we have here. Tax work off program that we have here. And Lisa just told me today that um he doesn't have a truck.
So that is out of the question. >> Um so I I'll find out I think sometime next week what's going on with our budget. Hopefully they didn't knock off that $1,500 that we have to to pay somebody for the uh trash removal for the other
three properties. I'll find out. Okay. More >> discussion of open space. Anything new on that one? >> Hear anything? >> I guess they've applied. They're applying for the grant. So hopefully that that goes through. Okay. Good for
them. Okay. What bylaw was tabled? I've got nothing on that. Move it there. 485 Lake View Drive. Still waiting to hear from their attorney in Sfield. The last Sfield Conservation Commission meeting
was nothing on the agenda to that had to do with the lake, which gets us to conservation coordinator report. I have an anonymous um
complaint for 237 that she's pasture roads gravel pit. >> Yes. Um it was observed >> his name differently now. >> Huh? >> That's not how you spelled Dick
Reynolds. >> Oh, >> anonymous. >> Uh no, it's anonymous. It's not Dick. It's anonymous. Um, >> so I guess there are piles of wood chips that are possibly being pushed into
>> um Great Brook. >> Folks, >> can you go behind town hall and just >> I was thinking maybe I might be able to see something right now. >> Be able to. Yeah, cuz then >> we went out there a long long time ago. >> He's got that uh dug up. He had it dug up. Did say Charlie Pratt passed away.
So, here's Yeah, that's another complication. Both Judith and Charles, I heard, have passed away, and someone's just I I don't know what the relation is, but the taxes have been being paid by somebody else. So, um the question is who to
contact if we need to contact anybody. considering. >> Um, >> but you should be able to see from the town property that looks that if there's actually >> there's anything over there. >> There's a big big hill. It's he had he
hasn't dug didn't dig all the way through to the brook. He left the burm. >> Yeah. >> Where have you been out there with Charlie's gravel pit? No. >> It was a not a sanctioned gravel pit. He was digging real close to the brook for many years. So
>> from my understanding where the wood p or wood chip pile is, it's closer towards is it a house back there? Not as not where the sand pit is, but closer to where the house is. >> Oh, okay. >> But I'll still try to have a look
because it does look like the fire station is like right across from the >> right there. >> Yeah. >> Before the leaves pop out. >> Mhm. I don't think they went back there 20some years ago. >> Back there a few times.
>> So, what would you like to do there? >> So, you can visit the property >> binoculars. >> Yeah, I'll have a I'll have a look from the fire department and see if I can see anything. >> All right. >> And then I can report back. >> Can you get a fly the drone over?
>> Oh, should be able to. So this would be nice. So wood chips are filled. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Considered though. >> So if someone chipped it chipped a tree that was in a buffer that would be
they'd be filling with the chips from the tree they chipped or they cut. >> Leaving wood chips in place. It it all depends if he's dumping in there, you know, pile or, you know, spread out wood chips. I wouldn't have a problem with that because it's a good
staple. >> If you're adding a lot of volume, too, >> but yeah, things like that, that would be >> get some eyes on it because you never know when you get an anonymous complaint if it's just a neighbor that's, you know, look at the >> somebody a hard time. I've been down this road plenty and and usually we we
can argue our way out of that that but what chips are not filled >> but they're chips you're doing on site and shipping them these these chips that they're probably referring to I never been back to what I'm referring to they're probably hauling them in and pushing them back. So that's probably a
different scenario that if you're chipping you're, you know what I mean? You're probably referring more to chipping in place versus >> hauling them from like a lot of times when you're doing that you're stabilizing the area. You're taking the trees out. So it's more of a benefit than it is. >> That that's usually exactly the argument. Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So that's a whole different than >> Yeah. >> If it starts running panic acid into the water, then that becomes a problem. So we want to make sure that doesn't >> go one of those issues. But the complaint was is that they were pushing it over the edge and at the bottom of
the edge is where the great where Great Brook is. >> So, let's see if we can get some eyes on that. >> All right. You'll report back to us on that next meeting. >> Okay. Anything else? >> Nope.
>> Well, no. And I think we should discuss your proposal of of uh putting all of the correspondents online, which I assume is to eliminate the blue folders. >> No, it wasn't to eliminate the the blue
folders. Honestly, for me, it's better organization so I'm not going around all different folders everywhere trying to find the files to display. And it it kind of covers two bases where oh, we can have all of the information, not just using the website for the RDA
and the NOI. I can have all of this in one place for you guys to look at weekends before. >> Sounds nice organized. Just remember, nobody can comment it on and >> would the general public be able to access that? >> No, I gave um I gave access you only I
think to you guys, but even if it's the general public, this is public stuff. >> I know. But that they can misread things that are in there that could be just stir up a whole can of worms by putting stuff out there. People look for they go on there looking for issues.
>> So I I wouldn't mind doing it if it's just for the the group here. But >> yeah, public consumption. I think that's a >> not putting the link up on a website or anything. It's >> I have the files in the cloud,
right? one drive >> and I'm trying to make meeting like a meeting folder with all of the meeting stuff in one place. >> Yeah. >> And you know I can share it with you guys. >> It's not public. It's just us >> and I'm Huh. >> It's not >> I mean I'm not sharing the link to
anyone. >> We don't respond to it, right? >> It's just what she sends us. And it's possible I could actually maybe get rid of my computer if I have all of the documents in in the cloud so I can access it with this. >> Makes sense to me.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> The only thing I asked was and you responded that we'll still get the individual emails as well because I like to read them all the cards and know when something's put in the file. Otherwise, it's
>> the way you sent us trying something. >> Yeah, I'm trying something. was able to yeah download the minutes and print it >> minutes and agenda at least I think because I make notes on my >> plus you know he does have agenda he said he's all set for the meeting
>> I'm then I'm all set and organized for the meeting if planning does it >> and that program I'm sure you could have him send out something new has been added send that out to the people on the email distribution list so they know something's been added >> I am not that well versed but I'm sure
>> I Well, all you're doing is you're adding something to the file. Then you're notifying me there's something more in the file to look at. >> Well, I can do that talking about something automatic. I'm just learning about one drive. >> Okay. >> It just happened >> because I get those. >> Yeah, we use we have one drive at
school. That's what we use. >> Yeah. I don't know a lot about it. >> You learn share share >> and all of our names. >> Share the cookies. I don't know. been vlogging. I'm sorry. >> Vlogging. You want to
>> Oh, I didn't know there were 50 diabetics. >> My diet right now. >> Do me a favor. >> We're going to do the minutes now. So, take a minute, please, to look at. >> Take a minute to do the >> read. Fantastic. >> I was wondering what you were reading
down there, Chris. That's it. We'll just stay one step ahead. Yeah, roughly the middle sitting. What's Dick's take on that? The truck on >> Well, you mean you're probably not
happy, right? He wants to redo a bylaw and just say that they they have to be responsible for all the cleanup, >> but drain the lake, refill it. Yeah, redious one.
>> Yeah, >> I think the zebra muscles will clean up nicely. >> Oh yeah, we should introduce those. >> Filter everything. >> Do it. >> Highly invasive. >> We luckily don't have >> May 11th or something like that.
>> That one there removal. Did they already >> May 11th? >> It's a Monday. We're supposed to have a barbecue on a Monday. work. We can take the day off. >> All right. Fair. >> Fair. >> Find anything in here, Andy? >> I really haven't ever
>> I'll make sure to make a motion accepted meeting minutes for March 2nd. >> Second. >> Yes. March 2nd. >> March second. >> Just make a motion. We'll move. There's a second roll call vote.
>> I normandy. >> I'll send it back. Wait. Anybody have anything else to bring up? >> I can't think of anything. I can't find the letter I sent you. >> But I'll find it. Unless you can't find it. If you find it, you find it. I think you said thanks. Wrote me back.
>> I'll make that a while ago. Don't worry about it. >> I'll make the second eye. >> I