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Okay, we're going to call the Conservation Commission meeting to order. >> Stay as right hand man here [laughter] >> for Monday, July 20th, 7 o'clock here at town hall in conference room three.

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This is a hybrid meeting both in person and online zoom. We'll start by taking attendance for the mission starting with MT >> s Clark Chver Terry Patria

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>> Andy Ren >> and Bob Garvey. >> Please know we do have a quorum. First item on the agenda is public comment. Is anybody in the audience that would like to speak on anything that's not on the agenda? hearing seeing none. Is there anybody

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online to speak? >> Nobody. >> I'm not [clears throat] seeing anybody. >> Okay. We'll move on to our public hearings. First public hearing tonight is the notice of intent

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NOI 292-0441 4R rising Corner Road and I'll read the advertisement into the record. South Brook Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act,

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GLC 131, section 40, and the Southwork Conservation Commission regulations and bylaw, chapter 182, and chapter 450 for a notice of intent by a hybrid meeting. Zoom in in person. The project

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location is 4R rising corner road southwork mass lap 120 parcel 9. The applicant proposes the construction of a single family dwelling with associated site improvements. Portions of the proposed lawn are within the buffers

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line. The meeting will be held July 20th, 2026. Fire hardwood meeting starting at 7:05 a.m. in South Town Hall. You know, open the public hearing to commissioner the way they're representative.

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>> Name and address for the record. >> Uh Heather Comey, um 572 East River Road, Huntington. >> Um so before we begin, we did revise the plans just today. Oh.

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>> Um I emailed them to you. Did you get them? No. >> Well, I probably got them, but I haven't seen them. >> Okay. So, um there those are two paper copies. Okay. >> The revisions that were made um were

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um to revise the proposed property line. Um so, this project um the property owner owns an existing house at four rising corner. He also

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owns a back parcel that's a field um and that he wants to build on that back parcel. Um he it was nonconforming. In order to make it conforming, he had

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to add an additional piece of property. So he talked to the um a butter and worked out something to be able to acquire that additional frontage. Um

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when doing so now he needs to stay completely outside of the riverfront area. Um so we have proposed this notice of intent. All work is outside of the riverfront area. Um there is a small amount of work uh proposed lawn area

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within the 100 foot buffer zone. We had filed an RDA with you last year in November and it's over the limits for um being able to do um

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a project under an RDA. So we have come forward with the notice of intent. Is that a thousand square feet or what? >> I think it was 1,000,000. >> Yep. And >> what what's the frontage on there? 200 or 150.

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>> Um I I'm actually not sure how much >> I think it was R40 and it was 200 ft. >> 200. >> We've got n 90 right here. And then

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it looks like 60 + 42. >> Yep. 68 + 42. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um so I think that's that's got to be 200. >> Yep. Just over 200. >> Yeah. And he made his parcel 200 square

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feet. >> Yep. >> Nice. >> Um so now to get to the revisions that were made on the plans. um the um owners of 300 South Longyard who was looking to um

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uh work out a deal for the ex the frontage. They saw and they were like, "Oh, wait. That doesn't show what we had, you know, discussed." And so if you'll notice on the original plan that

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I submitted, um it included a 10 foot section along um the back of their property. >> Yeah, I see it. >> Yep. Um you know what? I zoom in.

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>> I highlighted it somewhere. >> See, there's a straight line. >> Yeah. to be able to >> show. Yeah. >> Feedback. >> Okay. >> Um, >> so [clears throat] this was the old plan

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and it included this 10.37 um foot wide swath along the rear property line. And the new plan does not have that. It's goes the old property

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line. It only includes this triangle for the frontage. The surveyor had had that on there just to make the driveway a little bit >> nicer. Yeah. [laughter] Yes. And um but

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it's not necessary and the um this property owner just wanted to you know do what was necessary. Um so that was revised. Um the new so this parcel this

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triangle parcel is 0.05 acres instead of 111 acres. Um and I also I had um Mike Smith um calculate the actual

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square footage of this because I had estimated it. Um, and on the revised plans it shows the actual >> Yep. I see 7,236.43 ft.

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>> Um, so if you can see on this plan I have here, it has um in pink right here along this property line, it shows the riverfront area. This um pink line is the 200 foot

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riverfront area. I have uh the wetland line right here and the 100 foot wetland buffer is the second blue line. >> Where's the 200? >> Um this is the 200 riverfront. This is

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um the river. >> Yeah. >> And then the wetlands right here edge and then the 100 foot buffer right along here. Yeah. that >> and um if you can see it's kind of like a

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blocked line. It's like little rectangles. >> That's the limit of work line, silt fence line and all of the work is outside of the riverfront area. There is a small amount um in the outer 100 ft

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buffer um and that's proposed to be lawn. It's it's most of it is existing um uh field cuz this whole back area is field um and there is some forested area

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um but that will be come is proposed to be uh maintained lawn and um he didn't think he would need to grade uh just um lman seed and the part that's

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mowed field. He didn't even think he would have to lmen seed it. Um it would just be instead of hanging it, it would be um mowed as lawn and maintained as lawn area. Um

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the existing field um is going to continue to be um paid or mowed up to uh three times a year um as it's always been

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way prior to the Wetland Protection Act and the Rivers Protection Act. So that activity is grandfathered. Um he doesn't want it to be lawn area. Uh but he also doesn't want to like multifllora and you

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know shrubs growing up. He wants it to be like a you know a nice meadow [clears throat] >> the forested area that's in the 100 foot buffer. We know how many trees are going to be cut down. >> I do not >> I don't think any of it's going to be in

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the buffer. I think most of it is outside of the buffer. Like this whole this is a pretty large field here. I just it was a small amount when um >> just this area in the back where >> area disturbance.

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>> Yep. >> Is that what you're talking about? Nor >> that I think that's already a field. I think where the clearing is is going to be where the proposed house and the driveway >> which is outside of the buffer zone. >> It's not in the buffer zone. So what what are they going to disturb in the 100 foot?

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>> It's just conversion of um meadow fields yet to to lawn. So it it would be a a mode lawn >> in the 100 foot buffer >> up to the 200 riverfront. Nothing is to change in the 200 riverfront. >> Okay, makes sense.

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>> Do you happen to know and this is nothing to do with wetlands protection act um about the ne trail and access? Does it go through this property? >> Um, it >> used to >> I believe it does. It goes along his lawn area

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and uh which the lawn area goes pretty close to the wetland line. There's like um I don't know maybe a 50 foot section of um forested area. It gets closer at

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another point where it enters um and the um because I walked part like part of it when I uh was delineating and there's a bridge right here. >> Okay. >> And it crosses that bridge.

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>> Previous owner used to let people go through but the new owner stopped that, right? So people have to go all the way around. No, >> I actually I don't know anything about that, but I was >> I I don't know if he stopped it, but when I was out delineating, there were people going at it. >> Were there enough?

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>> Yeah, >> I guess they didn't stop it then. >> I don't been involved with this in quite a while. So, I'm not sure what the current status was, but >> yeah, >> I know that they used to used to go right through there and then for a while people had to divert go on the road

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around it. And I'm not sure if this is another new owner, >> right? I'm not like Well, I think my I have my question would be like if he sells this property, would the next property owner kind of like not allow it?

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>> I have no idea. >> I don't even know if he had stopped it. I don't know. I do know that the right along his driveway um of the existing house, there's like a privacy fence. It's only like, you know,

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this long. It does. It's not fencing anything in. It's just like privacy area so that um you know, if there are people going, he still has privacy. Mhm.

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>> At least for going in and out of his house and his front lawn and like his um daughter. >> This is the existing house right here, >> right? And didn't the trail go next to the brook?

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>> Yeah. Would Yep. Probably be like somewhere around here. >> Here on this side. Yeah. >> So, I guess you would cross the bridge here. So his driveway wouldn't even be close to that anyway. So no >> yeah the new proposed work is outside of the riverfront far away that nothing

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about that is changing as you know as far as this is concerned as you know from what he told me. I really don't know much about that. or >> if you have questions though, I didn't

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ask him. >> Yeah, like that will make a difference on our determination. >> Yeah, it shouldn't because No, it's just an opportunity. >> Get a dialogue going. >> Okay. Now, is the sale for the sliver of

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land they has has that taken place? >> It has not. We wanted to make sure that there were no issues with conservation, that it's >> okay. >> Um, he could get that approved and um and then move forward.

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>> Okay. >> So, this is not an estate lot. It's not a flag lot. It's just a regular ANR lot. You know, >> that's what I believe. >> That's what it looks like then. Any

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other questions, concerns? Hearing none, we can take a motion to close it. If they close the hearing a made the motion to close the hearing a second call vote,

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>> I unanimous vote to close the public hearing. I'll take a motion on the NOI itself. Oh, we have a question. >> Yes. Um I'm not I wasn't sure if you're

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talking to each other about the questions or I do have questions. I I live next door >> so I I can I speak? >> Yes. Well, I'll speak. The question that I have about this is um for one as far as the the lawn

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I'm concerned about the the wetlands and the the pond that's down the road or crop the road rather. Um if there's a lawn there that there could be fertilizer running off or something along those lines. And another question I have is if there's a house being built there is it going to be on a septic system because that could also affect

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that as well. >> May I address? Um, so I don't know of any pond near there. There are wetlands and there is >> all that wetlands flows under the pond

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across the creek >> like it's behind the houses across the street right there. >> So it's off the property, >> right? It's not across the street. You're talking about the bog. Yeah, the I don't remember what the the pond is

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called, but there's there's a pond there and all of this flows across into that pond. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm just concerned about the the pollution into that pond. >> Um all of the proposed work is um at

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least 200 ft away from the river. Um as for even uh the proposed septic system, septic systems have to be um per state law at least 50 feet away from wetland

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edges. Um and that is um the septic system is more than 100 ft from the wetland and 200 feet away from the river. >> Another question is the notice of impent that we received last week clearly has been changed today. So, we have not

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received any kind of updates on that when you're supposed to, but I'm not sure how that works. >> Um, so, um, we described the changes that were made. They were to the property line and, um, an actual

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calculation of the disturbance area. Um, and I submitted revised plans to the commission and to the state. And >> now, if I hadn't come to this meeting, would I have been notified or how would that work? um you would not have been notified of

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plan revisions. >> I'm just I'm new to this. >> Yeah, they um uh were mentioned at this public hearing. >> Yeah. Now just for there is a silt fence

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that's to be installed that during construction period and be and beyond if needed will be there to prevent any any drainage of silt into the into the >> stream. The part that I'm concerned

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about is after the fact once they have a lawn there if they start putting the fertilizer there and whatnot then there won't be a barrier after the construction then that could just end up in the wetlands. That's what I'm kind of concerned about. Like during construction, I understand the barrier or whatever, but if they're

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not there afterwards, then that, you know, there could be some some I mean, it is what it is. I just appreciate your concerns. >> Absolutely. Any further discussion, debate? Anybody else in the audience that would like to

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to speak? >> Look for a motion to approved the project with the conditions or standard conditions. Sabrina, was it $10,000 bond? Is that normal project like this?

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>> Okay. >> I don't know if the $10,000 bond is necessary for this because they're just converting >> not a pond or anything, >> but it's really not a necessary thing. is just to keep people honest, you know,

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when they come back to get their certificate of compliance because people don't even bother with that unless there's a bond involved with it. Otherwise, they just sort of ride for years and it never gets it's kind of just a security, you know. >> Okay. [clears throat]

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>> If everybody understands. >> Do we have a second for that motion? >> I'll second that. >> Any further discussion on the motion and the second? We'll call vote. I >> nor I Andy I unanimous vote

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proposal is passed through all. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thanks. Next item on the agenda is NOI 4034 Mountain Road

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292-0440 which continued in the last meeting. Is the owner here tonight? >> Uh yes, I'm online. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> For the record, your name and address,

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please. >> Uh Doug Kobe, 4034 Mountain Road in West Sfield, Connecticut. questions about that other stuff I can put you in contact with on >> you got some time you can pull up on >> Yep. [clears throat]

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>> working on it. >> Okay. >> Let's see. Yeah. Doug, let me know if you want me to flip it around to like another area. I can Can you see what we see right now?

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>> I can. Yep. >> Okay. Let me know if you need me to scroll up, down. >> Okay. I don't think I do. Um, do you want me to summarize uh the last meeting and then also kind of where things have gone since then?

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>> That'd be great. Yes. >> Okay. [clears throat] So, if you guys remember, I came to the meeting back in May, the beginning of May, um, for a possible violation where I had, uh, placed rocks along my shoreline on middle pond of Kangamand. Um, I had a

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30-year-old uh or more wood retaining wall that was made out of railroad ties that had failed and I had um, you know, suffered many years of erosion and um, I have a flat lot. So, my lake front had kind of uh been getting sucked into the

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lake and I uh replaced it with uh stones and grass and um as a result of that meeting uh the commission had requested that I file an NOI after the fact. Um and I had gone through uh I had to do

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that by June 30th. And uh since then I I have successfully in my opinion I guess filed all of the requirements with the state of Massachusetts and the town of Southwick for the NOI. Um and I also attended the Sfield um conservation

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commission meeting uh in May as well. and they pretty much required the same thing that I fill out the paperwork with Suffield um which I did uh submitted the uh payment for the application which has been approved uh at as of their last

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meeting and their their only requirement was really that that you guys were happy on the Southwick side and that I had complied with uh the requests uh of the commission from the last meeting. So, um I I'm not, you know, admittedly not

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familiar with where the process goes from here. Uh but I do know that I uh met all the check boxes and Sabrina was kind enough to help me out and make sure that everything um went according to plan. So, I I guess I'm here today to um you know, update everybody, answer

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questions, and um see if the NOI will be approved uh based on uh meeting the commission's requirements from the last time I met with you. >> Did we get D comments for that this one? >> Yes, we did.

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Um I think let me just get I think the only comment was does the work comply with the performance standards for bank? Where are we? >> Was it

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they comply with performance standards? >> Just double checking and yeah the only comment was how does the work comply with bank performance standards? >> Oh yeah. So Sabrina and I messaged back and forth about this through email. Um

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you know uh obviously what I've done has been a significant improvement as far as emot erosion control on my side and also sediment going into the lake. Um the the rocks have uh obviously they're not going to move at all and um you know any

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wash out from my property has completely stopped. Um the grass has fully grown in right up to the rock wall. So there's uh vegetation in place now that will continue to uh prevent any further erosion. Um the wildlife habitat has uh

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certainly improved uh from what it was uh including a uh a few water snakes that we've never seen before that now I think find a home in the rocks. So um I I believe that I'm complying with the state of Massachusetts requests. Um, I also understand that it's a little bit

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of a balance here because most of the bank is in the state of Connecticut. It's not even in the state of Massachusetts. Um, so that's why I I kind of feel like I'm making both commissions happy by um following the guidelines for the after the-act uh

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approval process and and hopefully um uh you know doing this in uh in the good nature of making sure that the the lake is preserved and and no further erosion or uh sedimentation from my property uh was continuing.

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this the lawn that you seated, how's that growing now, Doug? >> Uh, it is fully grass right up to the rocks. Um, I can I can certainly send a photo if you would like, Sabrina. If you check your email, I can send it to you right now.

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>> I think this would be a good example how to go about doing this with the two states involved. And when there's a problem like that, uh, >> let me see if I can sign in. We can use your template as an example.

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>> Does anybody need to see the the photos of the finished wall? >> Sabrina had them here. >> I think we saw >> you could scroll through the old You could actually scroll through the old photos. The wall looks the same. It's just that the grass has grown in where you could see that I hydro seedated in May, but now that it's July, I've uh

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been able to water the daylights out of it and and it is full grass right up to um right up to the rocks. So that yeah that that was when it was hydro seated and I had the um the erosion control in place. I obviously removed the barrier and the grass has

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you know now fully uh filled in along the rocks. >> That looks great. >> Any further discussion? Looks looks good. >> Okay. So, I will take a motion to close the hearing. >> I'll make a motion to close the hearing.

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>> Second. >> Okay. [clears throat] Cherry made the second. Matt made the initial motion. >> Now, I'll take a motion on the NLI itself. >> I'll make a motion to approve the NOI >> as presented. >> Yeah, I'll second that.

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>> Okay. You want any conditions? Are you satisfied? It's not necessary. condition that he gets his certificate of compliance as soon as possible. We may >> get this one off of the folks. >> All right. Roll call vote.

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>> I that is I nor I >> Jerry I. >> Andy I. >> Unanimous vote to approve the project [clears throat] as presented. >> Thank you very much Doug. >> Thanks guys. Have a great night. >> Thank you. Thank you. Will you record it at the registry of deeds?

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Technically, yes. >> Record at the registry of deeds and then >> and then do the certificate the >> certificate. >> Is that a chapter 91 thing being a seaw wall? >> I don't think the state wants to get involved with this. I think it would be if it was in Massachusetts, but

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>> right did ask that this was a correct solution. Mark Stinson would have definitely put something in his comments as a >> chapter 91 involved with an issue. >> It looks like mainly just the bank of

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Hongamand is um affected not land underwater. >> Okay. >> Okay. We'll move on to our next public hearing which is a request for determination of applicability

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185 and 789 College Highway. I'll leave the advertisement for the meeting. The Southwood Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Butland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and South Conservation

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Commission regulations and bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for requested determination. The project locations are the northbound road shoulder of College Highway just north of mile marker 6.6 6

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across the street from 789 College Highway and the northbound road shoulder roughly at mile marker 1.75 across the street from 185 College Highway. The applicant proposes sinkhole and washout repairs within buffer of jurisdictional

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areas. The meeting will be held on July 20th, 2026 via hybrid starting at 700 p.m. in Southwork Town Hall. Was the applicant The applicant is DOT, right? >> Yeah, it's DOT.

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>> Might be Maxfield. >> Yep. Hi, I'm online here. >> Name and address for the record, please. >> Uh, yeah. Name is Maxfield Fannif and I work out of the District 2 office, so 811 North King Street in Northampton.

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>> Okay. Want to describe a little more in depth of what you plan to do there? Um, yeah, sure. If I could share my screen. I do have a little like PowerPoint that kind of walks through it as well if that's easier. >> Uh, go ahead and try to share it. >> Okay.

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>> And see what happens. >> Um, says host is dis I could also send it to you guys if that's easier. I could just email it to you real quick. >> No, that's not easier. Just try to share. >> Uh, yeah, it just says disabled. Share. Host is disabled. Attendee screen

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sharing. >> Let's try to Um, how do we do this? Share. Uh, >> oh, uhoh. Uh oh.

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>> Yeah, it is. >> Gare settings. >> Yeah, if it doesn't work out, I'm happy to just talk through it, too. It's a pretty simple one. Hang on. Hey post here

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who can share all participants who can share with someone else is sharing. All right, try it now. >> Yep, that seems to work. >> Yay. >> Pull up PowerPoint. All right. Can you see that? >> Yeah.

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>> Awesome. All right. So yeah, like uh like stated, this is just for kind of a combined RDA for these two locations at 185 and 789 College Highway, which is State Route 10, which is why we're involved. Um, as was stated in the legal ad, there's two wash out locations along the guardrail/rol shoulder, both

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northbound on Route 10 from concentrated water flow off the roadway. There's also the beginnings of a sinkhole forming at the first location, and failing to address these issues will lead to undermining of the roadway and a threat to safety of the motoring public. Um this is just a quick screen grab of

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the first location there across from I believe that's the big Y um in town. And then that little wetland there is our main concern just we're in buffer zone but we're not going to be touching the wetland. And then this is the second location uh 789 College Highway in the

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vicinity of mile marker 6.6 there. Um goes into a little more depth with some photos here. So there's the beginning of that sinkhole. Um, nothing too severe yet, but we're just wanting to saw cut it and fix it before it gets worse. As well as the beginnings of this wash out, it's also pretty minor, but you can see

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the the vegetation is washing away there along with sediment getting probably transported into that resource area. So, we want to nip that in the bud while we can. And then location two is pretty similar. It's just more of a severe wash out with no sinkhole attached, but um it's kind of the same situation just right around under the guardrail there.

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You can see good amount of builtup sediment under the guardrail as well, which we're aiming to remove and excavate. Um, I'll go into depth on which locations getting which work here. So, of course, with each one, we're going to be installing erosion and sediment controls before anything else

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happens. Uh, just around the project site, kind of make a horseshoe around the bottom. And then we're going to be the first one, we're be removing built-up sediment from beneath the guardrail and then saw cutting that small sinkhole. um replacing the material underneath which seems to be a little bit too fine for the location and replacing with gravel and then repaving

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the top of the sinkhole with hot mix asphalt. And then we're going to be um placing a 4ft wide 6-in deep layer of dense grated crush stone underneath the guardrail to kind of reestablish that country drainage and get the water where it's supposed to be going. And then we're going to be loming and seating um

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the washed out area and then placing approximately 45 square yards of juke mesh on top. And then once everything is stabilized, you're going to be removing erosion and sediment controls from the area. And the next one's pretty similar, just without that saw cut and instead of uh just looming and seating, it's just

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going to be a paved waterway. So we're going to start with erosion and sediment controls. And then we're going to excavate the washed out area and install a roughly 5 foot wide paved waterway in that location and then a 8ft x 8ft rip wrap splash pad, a top fabric on the base of the waterway to prevent erosion

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from the future. And then um new berm is going to be paved 30 feet on either side of that waterway to direct the water to that pave waterway. And then similarly we're going to be looming and seating and jute meshing any disturbed areas that aren't hit by that drip wrap. And then once everything is stabilized we'll

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go in and remove the uh ESC's. And then as far as resource areas and the location um location one like I said takes place within the 100 foot buffer zone to that BBW and the 100 foot buffer zone to an unnamed intermittent stream. And then work at location two will be taking place within as well 100 foot

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buffer zone but no intermittent stream there. Um any heavy machinery we're going to be using is going to stay in the roadway like our excavator and everything like that. So nothing's going to be entering resource areas and requiring timber matting or anything like that. And all of our work is being conducted to avoid impacts to the resource areas and no adverse impacts

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are proposed. Then here's just a mass mapper screen grab of the first location there kind of showing where we are. We're on the opposite side of the closest area and then that in the photos there was that wetland to the right and it looks pretty similar here on the second one. Just on the opposite side of

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the road we have a bordering vegetated wetland that we're going to be in the buffer zone of but nothing too concerning for [clears throat] an RDA standpoint. And then this is just what we called out for our regulatory compliance. Um, they're going to be minor activities for the most part and

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including like pavement repair and work on the drainage system and stuff. And I think my last slide is just my contact info, but I can sit back on this slide too if that works better. But yeah, that's about it. It's nothing too complicated for this one. Hopefully.

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>> What's the timeline? Um, they haven't given me an exact timeline yet, but I believe they're pretty ready to mobilize as as once we get the um, ND NDA. So, I'm assuming it would be within a month or two if I had to guess, but I can reach out and get a timeline from them

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and reach back out to you guys if that works too. Just let you know beforehand. >> Right. >> Any other questions, concerns? >> No. >> For a motion? Looking for a motion. >> Make a motion to find the project

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negative. >> We have a second. >> Second. >> Dennis made the motion and made the second. Roll call vote. >> I norm. >> Unanimous vote for negative

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determination. >> Great. Thank you guys. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. Okay, the next item is an RDA for Pine Street. Let's see. I'll read that.

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The Self Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Welcome Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and the Self Conservation Commission regulations and bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for requested

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determination. and the project location is three pine road South Oak Mass 135 parcel 135-018. The applicant proposals additional site improvements following the previously completed work. The meeting will be held

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on July 20th, 2026 via Harvard hybrid starting at 7 p.m. in the South Town Hall. We'll open up the hearing to the petitioner. Name and address for the record, please. Um Jeff Carney three-pound road.

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Um so what they're looking to do is put um in a 4x4 retaining wall right over by the driveway because it's collapsing that the old retaining walls falling down right now. Um so right off of the back of the garage there

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we just wanted to bring L in on the back because uh it's all um corroing. It's all going down now. Um, and just to fill it in a little bit with the backyard there. Um, plant some arborites or some type of native tree over there. Um, just to make up for some of the ones that we

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limbmed and everything else. Bring some lmen on the front of the house and then on the side of the house just to make it more a grade. Put some um, bushes up there or something like that just to neaten it up a little bit. Um, that's about it. And I know we still got down at the wash

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area with that tube that was there to hook into that and research into that and see what that is. But I'm going to also be um >> possibly if it's all right paving the whole driveway, doing all that stuff. Um I'm going to have to put in for that later on. Um not this time around, you

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know. I mean, that's a bigger project, but I may be able to work that with somebody else a deal for the driveway and stuff. So, I'd put in for that after we put that. I know we didn't discuss that now. So, that would be something. But at the end down here, there's

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this is all collapsing right here too. Um, so something needs to be done with it. But maybe an on-site visit with you guys um beforehand before I got into the pavement and stuff. But that might be something before the end of the year that I'd like to jump into um if possible.

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>> Okay. You know, dude, it was collapsing. There's I don't know what's underneath it, you know what I mean? But there's like a sewer drain that's there. It's got to go somewhere. You know what I mean? From all the wash out stuff. So,

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that could have been a previous owner. >> Um how to maintain that and do stuff. Then like her wall, there's a retaining wall um right here that you can see the drop. But even her land too is all dropping probably from the vegetation not being there anymore. So that might

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be collapsing some of this stuff. Um, but if we have to open this up, you know what I mean? Even if I'm putting the retaining wall, you can esavate right there. Start just holding it back up. You know what I mean? It could be because that's pushing too. That's having that drop.

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>> Um, the start would be get this back. You know what I mean? holding it back up and then we do the driveway. Okay, we start tearing back, see what's there, work from there. But an onsite visit at the same time would probably be helpful if there's something we have to do with

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that too at the same time. But the other stuff bringing the lman and that I don't think that that's more just for aesthetics, you know what I mean? Um what's the plan for the trees, previously trees? what's the so plant

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some native ones, you know what I mean? Try to do that. Um, and that's sort of where I had that in there or too previously chopped trees where those stars were. We're going to plant a couple there. Um, and right over on the the other side, too, where the arborite

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ones are, the stones there. >> There's two of them. Those two that are start right there. They're still up there. Um, I could leave those the way they are. They're growing. there. There's stuff growing off of them now. You know, um the only one that I was asking if

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it's possible and I don't know. This one coming down the deck right here, it's like the thing's probably 7 foot tall. It's done. You know what I mean? Like, can I cut that down or not? And I'll plant something else there. Um that's up to you guys.

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How wide is it? Is it >> probably like >> and it was dying from the top. That's why I cut it because it was it was dead up top. You know what I mean? >> Then there's like a big probably this isn't on here, but there's a massive one

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here that it's going to go eventually. You need that chance to leave the stumps and Oh, >> I prefer the stumps today. Absolutely. Yeah. We have some pictures, right? Taking them from the shore before.

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>> I think I fresh. >> Sorry, J. I didn't get you guys updated. >> Um, I have I have pictures. Let me just get them in the file on my computer. >> You don't have them? >> I have them. >> Okay.

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>> Just got to find them. I need Three. >> Does that show? >> So, those are the two that will just keep, you know what I mean? right here. And I had to keep those too. And then I don't know if there's one over to the side.

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>> The shore looks different than that now. It's all cleaned up. Um, a lot of stuff. >> That one right there. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> It's dead. >> Uh, the top was dead up to here. I don't know about >> Yeah. [laughter] >> This one. This one's going to go. That's

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what I'm worried about. >> If you look at that one, that's a >> Look at this stump right here. See my little hand? >> Yeah, >> that's hollow. >> Hollow. That's >> That's a problem, too. Yeah. It's not very healthy, >> right? >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. They just look like columns, you know, like at this point is that one of those two. That's what I remember. I just want to see it again because it's been some time. But yeah, I do remember that. >> Yeah. Like this is all cleaned up too. The house is all sided. Um some of the

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Yeah. >> Right. Then we put down the water too. All that stuff. Try to pick it up. >> Okay. >> You gonna do the arbor viders on on this side. >> So like with arbor I don't even know if we use ar I'll just plant native. Yeah that's what I'm thinking. You know what

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I mean? Um >> I don't want to be ruined but arbor tighties up for something too. The people are awesome next door. It's just something native to put it back to. I understand like what you guys want from us and >> we can show pictures of what we've done. I just I'll be honest with you, this is

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massive. It's a lot of a project with this house. So, I just haven't got to everything. >> And there's um the straw waddles along the shore right now. Yeah, that was there. Okay. So, there is a road control already installed. >> Okay. And we're not replacing the stairs

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just yet, right? That'll be a future project, too, right? So, I'm gonna Yeah. Yeah. Not just the deck and maybe the deck boards. Um, not like the stair ones are fine, but the deck boards and maybe just the top rails eventually. Okay.

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>> Power wash the thing, get it clean and >> have you noticed with the pipe down at the shoreline, has there been any water coming out of there? >> So, I asked the neighbor, he said he see we're not there as much. You know what I mean? Um, and just been trying to build

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the thing so I don't have an eye on it all the time, you know. I mean, but he said there's water coming out. >> There is water coming in. >> Yeah. >> Weird. >> I don't know if it's into the hill. I don't know. That was before me. So, I don't know what's

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Yeah, there's a few of those still up there. All right. Well, the good news is it's it's not running while you're there, which means it's not the toilet. [laughter] >> Oh, no. Definitely not the toilet.

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[laughter] >> We used to have a few of those, too. >> What's that? We used to have a few of those pipes with the toilet. >> Mystery drains. >> Mystery drains. >> Oh >> So you're not doing any lottery in the house either. The White House.

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>> So you think this is uh worthy of a negative determination? >> Yeah. >> The bridge controls already in place. >> Bringing some lo. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> That's my only concern is this one pipe. That's the only concern I have left to

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>> I'll get a camera and I'll send a snake up through. I'll figure we got to buy one for work anyway. So, one >> send it up through and we'll figure it out whatever it is >> and then we'll report back. >> Okay. Any other discussion debate?

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Not I'll take a motion >> for negative determination. >> Yes. Make a motion for negative determination. >> I'll second Andy made the motion. Jerry made the second. We'll call vote. >> I norm.

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>> Andy. And so for negative determination, which is a good thing. >> Thank you guys very much. Thanks for >> you. Have a good night. Scared >> face. Thank you. Love it. Yes.

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>> Next item on the agenda is 157 Feeding Hills Road. A continuation from our last meeting. >> Um you guys all in your folders have um the latest and greatest from Mr. Sini. >> Oh, thank you. [laughter]

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>> Did he leave? No, that's Jen's. But Jen didn't come. >> We made a folder for you, Jen. [clears throat] >> Thank you. I appreciate it. Sorry I'm not there tonight. >> Okay. >> Well, hello again. Steve Svini, Sini

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Associates, 585 Group 20. Um, last meeting didn't go so well for me. I had bad news that day and I apologize for that. But you are absolutely right in requesting to see how this backup. This is for the ramp installation for

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>> that's already been put in place. >> Well, they Yes, they put it in place to make sure it fit and it was going to fit and everything else and then >> you build the house for us, then you get the permits later, right? >> I uh I understand.

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But here we are and as requested I reached out to Mike Schaffer who is the uh owner of Huntley Associates well-known name he's a civil engineer uh and uh structural engineer and he did

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the calc to determine that the best way to secure this to ground most effective and cost effective is a 15-inch diameter 4 foot deep son tube with an anchor bolt at each of the legs for the ramp and the little part of

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the step. Um, I had originally thought that the helical piles would be the best, but they end up being more expensive and more complicated to this fall for all those things. So, the helical peers would probably easier to fall but more

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expensive. But I don't know if you remember those originally were supposed to all be on helical pierce, right? We gave you an exception on it because you couldn't get them, but they're available now. So, I'm >> understood these things are going to be in the ground and flush. So, they're not

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adding to anything with the flood plane. They only disturb it's in a buffer zone and the disturbance is they they they augur down. They put a sonnet tube in, take the dirt away, and then you're left with a with a with a concrete sonnet tube anchor bolt. And this thing gets

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anchored down to it. And it's going to be there. >> It's not permeable, though. I mean, it's just, you know, that's more imperial. Did you add all those up to see how much impervious surface you're going to add to it? >> Impervious surface to the surface. You're talking 15inch diameter on the

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surface. >> How many of those? >> Uh, 12. >> Well, that's 15. >> Well, there's five there's five legs on each of the ramps. >> So, they would each require one of these. And then the landing has two on the outside.

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So infiltration is crucial though. The existing 23 foot ramp has 10 posts. >> There's 10 posts here, >> right? >> 23T ramp section has 10 posts. >> So just to reiterate there, 4 foot long

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sonic tubes. Yeah. The sauna tube uh has to be 4 feet deep one to get below the frost line. >> Yeah. >> But then there's also countermeasures with when you put a sauna tube in or anything in there's pressure lifting it up from the water counterbalanced by the

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weight of the object. And so according to the structural engineer 4 foot length 15inch diameter is going to secure it down and hold it in place. >> Okay. >> Yep. Did you ask him about the pierce?

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Did you ask him if that would be a viable alternative? >> He in his he didn't put it in here which he had in his email to me. He he said that illegals would be an option. However, they're more they would be much more costly and more complicated to install. That was that was what he said

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in his email. I mean I none of us are happy with this project from day one, you know, and I don't like cutting in more slack for >> well what we're looking but you have to >> financial purposes.

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I understand. But you have to you have to look at what's in front of you, not what was behind you. And what's in front of you, >> that's what we're doing. >> I know. I know. >> More impervious surface and more disturbance in a in a flood plane. There could be less disturbance. Could be zero

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disturbance with vehicle fear. It's zero. You you don't have any. >> Oh, still you got to get a machine in there. Um >> those machines I've seen those you can handle those things. I uh in order to do that, the manufacturer would have to come up

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with a way to attach the helopile to the to the structure. They already have a footing in place. Right now, it's simple with a with a concrete son of tube and anchor bolt. The thing drops on, saints down. Um the flood plane

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is not that deep there. It's not it's not a three-foot flood plane. So, um it's it's your call. I get it. I understand what you're ask. I understand what you're asking. No call. I just my

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opinion. That's all. >> No, I I I totally get it. This is what was asked and this is what the engineer came up with. And then for us to drive by there and see those ramps already in place then I know you're not using it but those you know would have been we

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haven't been informed about things ahead of time and it just seems like continuing if we and I've been I've been uh behind or I've been along with them for this ride for quite a while. They're good folks.

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They're rambunctious. They're hardwork great spot. They're doing a great job. I got nothing. >> They made this they took this from being a a hole up to what it is now. >> 100% agree. >> And and yes, they have they've been a little naive in how they approach

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things. They've been a little rambunctious in how they have had adversarial butters that have beenounding them. >> All right. If you look at the board of health and I did this, there is technically only one complaint filed against them. No, there's only one

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complaint, written complaint filed against them. >> And and I know that there's been other complaints, but they have not done anything in a malicious manner. I think just in a naive manner, and I don't think that

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judging them, I got to stop right here. Okay, I've got to stop right here. >> It they're good people. They they've just done things like we all know. It comes across as deceiving. >> It comes across, but it's not. They bought this ramp. They wanted to know if

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it fits. So, they figured out how to fix it and hook it up and everything else. And and they were assuming that this would be no problem. And here we are. I mean, it wasn't done in a malicious. It wasn't done to say I'm doing it anyway. They before they

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bought it, they wanted to make sure >> magic word assuming is what gotten them into a lot of trouble. >> I agree with you wholeheartedly. I I agree with everything everything you absolutely you say but some people I mean I even I voted at the

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time I voted for >> Dave one would think that after the last meeting where it was mentioned the same as it was mentioned now that the ramp was put in place one would think that it would have been mentioned to the owners like it would be a great idea if you

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move that away until it's approved >> agree >> leaving it there is kind of in your face. We put it here. We're leaving it there. That's That's kind of malicious in your face. >> I I wouldn't say malicious. I think >> that's how it comes across. >> I think they're just expecting

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this to be accepted and move on. And I agree with you. They put it in there. I I don't know how to defend that or or speak for it. I'm just saying it is what it is. It's It was put there. They attached it. They had the building

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inspector come over and the building inspector said, "No, that's too wobbly. You got to put stuff underneath it." So, they they did that just to test it out, make sure it fits. I mean, >> I'd like to see something in writing saying that the helical peers are not a viable alternative. And if that's the

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case, you know, that's the case, but I'd like to see that someplace in >> Are the sonic tubes installed? No, they have to dismantle this whole thing. Okay. They they have to dismantle this

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whole stupid thing to put the sonic tubes in and get out and then put it back >> or the codes. Either way, they got >> Either way. Either way, they have to dismantle this thing. They >> Yeah, that's what they have to do. They have to dismantle this thing. Put

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the sonic tubes in. >> It's not anchored right now. >> It really is. It's just >> not anchored. So for them to create he has to create the anchor for them to sit on. So they have to take it out so that they can fit it and then you know but no I yeah I mean

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call it no call you would want one. It's just you know it's just really not okay. I mean you know sets a precedent everybody else >> want to go forward with the same kind of stuff that's been going on.

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>> Exactly. We want to have something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But it's up to the commission. That's just my personal opinion. I >> So it sounds like what I'm hearing is the helical p piles would be less impactful of the flood zone versus the

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sauna tubes except that the main factor is the price. >> Well, I would say it's not less impactful well on the fled zone necessarily because they're going to be flushed. They're not going to affect the flood zone, >> but they're impervious.

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>> Well, they'll affect maybe what gets absorbed into the ground, >> right? >> In a flood, most of that goes away. It doesn't get absorbed. >> Okay? >> So, most of it is going to run off and go back to normal. Regular rain and that sort of stuff that percolates down

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through is what would be affected. >> These these things start floating up out of the ground, then we're all going to be kicking ourselves in the butt again. So Dennis Noah could tie his arc up to this thing. It's not going to go. Okay. You got you've got 12 4 foot deep 15

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inch diameter sonnet tubes with anchor bolts anchoring down a 420 lb ramp. That thing is not going anywhere. >> I've seen the force of nature and there's nothing to stop. [laughter] You are a force of nature.

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Hello. >> So, you're looking up the email, right? >> I'm trying to know. You can never find it when you want. >> I know. I know. And he sent this to me late. I printed out the email because I was going to bring it to show you that what he was going through.

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And then he gave me the problems already with the parking availability the uh you know there's there's so many issues out there already that hate to make more but I tell you it's our job you know

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I I know but I feel like I've lost a lot of street credit in J >> originally those >> buildings were going to be put on helical pairs. >> Other alternative is to use heel piles. This will be more complicated, more expensive and excessive.

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>> Excessive >> uh if this is the only option we'll need to contract contact manufacturer to find out specifications. So >> how to mount it? >> Yeah. how how it gets mounted because these things are all designed to be on a concrete pier with an anchor anchor

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bowl. >> So, >> but he does say it would be accessible. When we sp when I was here last, I thought, you know, you're only going to need four of those things to secure this down. But in actuality, you have to have something at each leg.

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>> And so that's why you have some at [clears throat] each leg of this stone. You'd have to have hip piles at each leg of this thing, which is He he said excessive. You can read that

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last paragraph if you don't mind. >> The last bullet point. >> Yeah. >> Other alternative is to use helical piles. This will be more complicated, more expensive and excessive. If this is the only option, we'll need to contact the manufacturer. Let me know. That's what you want me.

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>> Yeah, that's from the engineer, >> which is kind of similar to what he wrote here. It wasn't just excessive to one person would be, you know, putting roof drains on and another person will say that's not excessive. That's the standard way to do a business. So, it all depends on what your definition of

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excessive is. >> I again >> and I gave you what you asked for. >> You guys can make your decision. Um, you didn't really give me what I asked for. You gave me an alternate solution for what I asked for. Uh, you ask well no

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you ask for auto secure to the ground and that's what I that's what this is what the engine this is what the engineer came up with to do this. >> Yeah. It says the easiest and less expensive approach is to install concrete sonube footings at each ramp post location. >> I think Norm's question specifically was what size helicil are you going to use?

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>> Yeah. >> What's >> and how many? >> We can go back and look but I'm quite sure it was what size helicil and you came back with what size concrete block you going to use. >> Right. Because >> point >> his point to his point, >> right?

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>> He said he wanted an engineer to give this to him. >> I'm a lancer. Really good one. >> But he wanted an engineer to give you something. And this is what this is what the engineer came up with. >> And so I I I'm just reiterating.

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>> Yeah. Well, this is an RDA. It's not an NOI. So it's either you can go ahead and do it or you got to file an NOI. So, not much u not much room for flexibility here. >> Any other question?

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>> Are we just concerned with the surface area of the sauna tube? >> I think we're also >> about the whole concept of the sit tube as opposed to the illegal pile. So, it's not a matter of, you know, this this is going to trap more

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rain or this will allow more rain. That's not the issue. It's just how it's attached. That's that's the question. >> No, >> the question is impervious. >> No, you've got 10 15 inch diameter, 4 foot long cement blocks,

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>> probably 50 square inches each pi r squared, right? >> But it works out to >> times 10. So, 500 square inches as opposed to what's a helical coil? It's basically a post >> maybe an inch. >> Yeah, that was my question. Is the

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reason we're we're against this is this doesn't allow as much water and maybe >> displacement you know the displacement would be from zero or you know half a percent to >> so a helical coil would absorb all

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>> the helical coil is like putting a stick in the ground. >> I've never Yeah, I've never seen one. big screw, right? Yeah. Most definitely. >> And we're leaning toward having that done >> because of mechanical reasons or rain reasons, >> the less impact on flood zone.

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>> Well, >> okay. To the tune of 500 square inches. >> Well, you're talking about just surface, right? I think we're talking about like bank flood storage. >> I just want to understand I'm not >> playing devil's advocate. This isn't This isn't affecting bank.

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>> It's not affecting the bank. >> It's in the flood zone. >> It's just It's just flood zone. >> Just flood zone. >> Got it. Right. Okay. >> And I mean, if they if they had put down additional pavers, so they could have put down a concrete pad. That's what Mike had said. He would have put down a concrete pad, blah blah. I said, "No,

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you can't do that. It's in it's in a buffer zone." He goes, "Oh, okay. Well, you can't do that then, right?" So then that's why you get over this. Your total impact of 500 and some odd square inches compared to everything else there is not

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an excessive amount. I don't think it's more than what you want. I get that's why we agreed to the uh pavilions or what do they call those? >> Closed gazeos. >> We closed gazeos. The reason that we allowed that at the time because it was

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hard to find them at the time. >> No, I understand. But >> right >> that added impact to it also, you know, that also added impact to all those >> ones we already have in the ground out there. >> I uh I can only say so much and I I'm

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not trying to >> argue. I'm just trying to present and >> yeah. >> Okay. Just for the record, we're talking about one ramp, correct? >> That's Yes. to to reiterate, they were only approved to use and

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occupy one of the enclosed gazeos. And in order to occupy that, they have this ramp. When they were approved to be built many, many years ago, uh that it was agreed upon that they would not put the ramps in place because

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they didn't have permission to use them. They had permission to build them. They didn't have permission to use them. And so, true to their word, they didn't put any ramps in or use them until they got permission. They only got permission to use one of them. >> One.

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>> One. >> They can only use one of them. >> Okay. That's why they theoretically could have put three ramps in there, but they can only use that one. >> Think that they would put them in at the

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same time while they're doing it, but >> they don't have permission to use the thing. So, as a measure of good faith and the planning board said you can't use those. >> So, then when they get permission, they're going to have to come back to us again for the >> Do they know that?

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>> Yes, they do. And if that ever happens, >> that'll that'll be another day. But right now, they only have permission to use one gazebo and they can only put one ramp in. >> Okay. >> And then this all goes away. And the

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ramps were previously approved. >> The ramps, all three ramps were previously approved. >> And the last know, >> but they're going to get rid of the other two ramps. They're going to be out of there then, right? Not going to be in the flood zone. They're not going to be >> They're not >> The other two ramps don't exist. >> They're not There's only one ramp there, right?

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>> Why is only one ramp? >> That's why I'm saying there's only one ramp there. There will probably only ever be. >> All this is just for one. >> All this for one ramp. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then >> [laughter]

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>> Further questions or concerns? I read this out pretty good. So >> yeah, answered some questions anyway that I had. >> Hearing no further debate, I'll take a motion. One, [laughter]

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>> I'll make a motion to find it negative. With the sonic tubes. >> With sonic tubes. >> Bensonic tubes 15 inches in diameter. Four feet long. >> 12 sonic tubes. Right. >> 12. >> It'll be actually 12. Yeah. >> 12. >> As described in the diagram

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here. >> We have a second on that motion. >> I'll second. >> We have a second. Roll call. Vote. >> I norm. >> Here we Andy I. unanimous vote for negative determination.

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>> Did I say that hello? >> Thank you. >> Thank you all. Have a good night. >> They're all yours. >> Okay. Next item on the agenda. 42 Shore Road continued RDA. Anybody here for the

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represent representing the family? Oh, we do have some. Okay. Oldest of Arlo Associates versus Extrams 22. Is it all right if I put this here? Hello, sir.

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[clears throat] >> My house. >> Yeah. It's down the road. >> What do we got? Three out of four people said they shouldn't have done without >> looking to set in here.

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>> Build an addition on the house vertically. Speaking no additional uh footprint of the house is being expanded on. It's currently a one-story woodframed house that they want to increase to a twostory house. um part of

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this plan that no site work is actually being proposed besides I think uh there's some wood staircases in the back that are being replaced. So this is the pond on the side. Um so it's like very much higher up here

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drops down these kind of like little retaining walls whatnot. Um there's a couple woods wood stairs that need to be replaced but other than that there's no disturbance being done. No, no dredging, no long seed even being replaced. Um,

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but as part of the acts of construction, uh, the erosion control log is being proposed. Um, no trenching. So, they don't want to install a silk fence to do that. But again, footprint of the house is remain the same. They want to go

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increase in I guess density of it by going vertical with that. That's kind of nice. And what what buffer zone line is that there? >> This is the 50 foot buffer. >> That's a 50 foot.

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>> Yeah. >> Buffer. >> So >> the 100 clips that the very ed No, it's fine. >> I was just Yeah, I wish we submitted pictures because it's easier to visualize this little retaining wall

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planters. Is there any roof drainage proposed for them? No, no new drainage here proposed to tie everything existing. >> This is the one that have the more elaborate trails and stuff in the front that you guys did a Wait, was that the same one or am I off on this one? This

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is the one. Last year we had an RDA for to remove one oak and the um there are varieties in here damaged um through the uh hemlock.

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>> Um I don't know if you remember that. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Where where does the rule to now? It's a good question. down [clears throat] the hill into the lake. >> Hook up to that other guy.

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>> Pretty pretty darn close to the lake, right? >> It's a big hill. Say it was downwards. That's just the engine's here. >> You know what they're using for roof material? And >> actually, I brought the architecturals if you guys want to take a peek through

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all this. You guys want And these should be submitted as well. >> These are submitted. >> Should be part of the materials. >> I don't know if they gave them to me. >> It does show um drains on here,

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right? Is that what those are? Looks like >> drains to me, but where do the drains go? >> You can Yeah, you can figure it out. It's just the floor. More floor plan. roof

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floor plan. Floor plan just go show them go straight down. Well, there must be perimeter drain or something. >> This is says square gutters and downspouts, black finish with gutter guards provides flash.

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>> These are also not the uh the final. These are only 25%. >> The architect's only going to bring the water to the ground. He's not going to show where it goes once it's there. >> Right. >> That's his job. >> Maybe we can just condition that have to

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reuse existing points of uh >> Well, definitely has to go somewhere though. >> Yeah. If you have to deal with it once it gets there. >> Yeah, we have like to deal with it here too. >> I don't know. >> Does it show it on another page of your

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plans? What's under? >> No, this is the just a topographic survey of everything that the crew was able to locate. >> The windows their page >> everything that they saw is what we have shot here.

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Just some box cutter but it doesn't talk about I'd be happy to investigate burdens. >> I mean that would be the only concern. >> Yeah. You guys would it be able to say that as a condition to reuse existing downspout locations?

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>> Is there are there towards it? >> I don't know if there's is is there existing downspout locations? Do they even have gutters right now? >> Well, they're going to if they're going to raise the roof on it, they're going to have to >> they won't have gutters in a little bit. Yeah.

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>> Right. No, I know. So, if I mean, if there isn't anything existing, then they can't use it. Right. >> They would have to >> dig a hole. >> Probably just fans out, goes into the sand.

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>> Very sandy up there. >> Maybe. >> Well, that's a If it's sandy, it'd be nice to go down. If it's sandy, it can spread that sand, you know, into the lake. That's the >> But yes, it can. It might. >> That's your neck of the woods, right? That's >> I'm on the other end of the road.

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>> A problem up there, hasn't it? have to make it s >> in a road. Yeah, it's very sandy. >> So, what would you like to see there? >> Infiltration or some kind of plan for

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the roof. >> Okay. >> To make it negative, so it wouldn't have an impact. I mean, >> it's so overgrown on the bank, it probably wouldn't show, you know, the the silt and the sand going down into the water. But he fixes it up and he and he >> they might have something already

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planned for that. It's just not on on the plan. So >> one advantage of where he is, he's so high up it's got a long way to go. >> Well, it's 50 ft to the lake >> that way, but he's kind of up on a hill and therefore it'll sink in. Oh yeah,

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we're about bottom elevation of the lake as being 27 >> and my my slope is a lot less. So I mean just an observation because I've seen it. So if you even if you use the existing drain spout anywhere to I doubt there's

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a pipe in there that brings it somewhere. I think he's just relying on >> the seeping >> seeping into the ground. They are going to go there, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, we're looking at roof run, >> right? >> Where does it go?

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>> Right. Controlling where where doesn't have to go into the lake. It's the sand that goes along with it. >> You have a leaf pipe that's just facing out. What is talking about then and you get a heavy thunderstorm or something,

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the gush of that water is going to do something on the ground. >> Yeah. So you guys are looking for no proposed uh surface uh surface uh discharge via the dry. So runoff has to be managed, >> right?

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>> If we go go out and investigate further for the existing drainage and find it is tied into system >> report back automatic negative. Yeah. >> Have to make sure we tie into that system. >> That would work. Yeah. >> Yep. I think it's completely reasonable. >> Okay.

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>> Would that be an automatic negative? Well, >> outside of the meeting >> that no such thing >> unless it's all clogged up like one of our neighbors was in his parking lot and it had to be cleaned out.

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>> Well, just a safeguard to make sure that you know ahead. >> He had storm drains in there, but they were jammed with debris. >> Sometimes the roof material makes a difference in the runoff, too. You know what kind of material they use for the Yeah. >> the metal roof or asphalt roof or

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>> True. two, right? >> Yep. So, worst case scenario, we would end up coming back showing uh there would be disturbance of a dry well. >> That dry well or sheet spread or whatever way works the best for them? >> Okay.

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>> Are there any other issues that we want done to address? Is that the only one? >> Okay. All right. >> Appreciate you looking into that. >> So, we continue this for our next meeting. Yeah, we have to answer the roof runoff

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question, you know. So, >> should be a quick one. >> Yep. >> Thank you so much. >> Thank you for taking >> got the form filled out. continues. We got what is that? August 3rd the next >> Was there sorry was there a vote that

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happened to accept the continuation? >> I'm sorry. >> Was there a vote to accept a continuation? Did that happen? >> I don't think so. I think we just picked it up. >> Did we need to do that? vote to vote to

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continue the continuation >> is what she's asking. >> Paul I I I believe we do. >> Okay. >> Vote to approve the >> yes >> continuation. I'll make a motion to approve continuation of that meeting. >> Okay.

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>> Second. >> All right. We have a motion. Uh roll call vote. >> I norm. Jerry, I think Andy >> unanimous vote to continue this to our next meeting. >> Is there anybody here to discuss the 18

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Brighten Drive issue? >> Um, I can and just >> We still got one person in the audience. If there's nobody else online, I'd like to move to old business and discuss 25. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Have a good day.

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>> Okay. >> Thank you, Cole. >> All right. I need you to unshare your computer still. It needs to share. [laughter] >> Take me out. Don't share. >> Nick, you want to come up? >> What's that? >> Huh?

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>> What? >> Right. For the new business. Where are we going? >> Well, We don't want to make them wait anymore. >> All right. >> Okay. We we just started to discuss this one at our last meeting. We set up a site visit

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>> and I met Bob Garvey and myself along with the auto Nick. We were at the site visits. I took a few photos. >> Misspel my name. [laughter] >> Sorry about that. >> I couldn't pronounce it right. I couldn't pronounce it right. Anyways,

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[laughter] >> all right. You're not the first one, so I won't be the last either. I'm sure >> I'll take a few >> I do it sometimes. >> I'm sure >> it's a different >> a few photos. And as Bob said when he got there, he says, "Boy, this is a lot steeper than I thought >> it was." Yeah, these pictures didn't

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quite do it justice. It's just how steep that is. >> Here's a photo from the top looking down to the lake trying to show how steep it is and how sparse the vegetation is. Now we're down at the lake looking up

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again. The same situation. Steps. Steps on the left. >> Nick is putting steps. >> Looks flat. >> The steps are all brand new or >> Yes. >> Okay. Still down at the bottom. This is the big gull you were all talking about.

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>> That's been been heavily eroded. combination I believe of surface runoff plus the wave >> severe waves. You can see he started to put the silk fence in up on the top. >> Good. >> Okay. And again, sparse vegetation everywhere.

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>> Sona tubes. >> Yeah, sauna tubes. >> Those sauna tubes were originally there. I think he just added two towards the end. One or two. Am I right, Nick? Yeah. >> And Sabrina, when we were here in the meeting before we went out to uh to Nick's property, I think we suggest

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putting a second line of silk fence along basically the tow slope before it breaks into a lake. Uh that clearly was impossible to do when we got out there. >> Slope. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> I put the second one down around the burst tree where you guys wanted, but

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[clears throat] the rest of the last like 40 feet, it's like there's just there's no way you can grief. Yeah. And then uh on the other side of the steps is the is the well cover. Oh,

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>> okay. As you can see, it's not in good shape. And Nick's going to have to address that at sometime in the future. >> Did you say well cover? >> That's what it says. >> It's a pump. >> That's what I underneath the >> like >> the well is right under >> drinking water. >> The pump. Yeah. See the [snorts] half

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circle on the left side? >> Yeah. Then the expansion tank and the lines run through that uh cube structure >> which I want to rip all that out because it's going to go down into the water. >> Jeez. So

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>> are you connected to town water or is that a well? >> It's a well. >> It's a well. >> It's a It's a shallow well. So >> well I wish I >> Yeah. They don't come to the island, do they? >> No. They ran sewer or whatnot. >> Yeah. Water out. >> Yeah. Exactly. Ironic.

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And then there's a to the left of the stairwell down at the lake there's like an 8 foot high wall. Previous owner or some previous owners put in spinning for quite a while. And the vegetation above it is is is more dense than on the right

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hand side of the of the stairwell. And that's the photos I took. >> Good photos. >> I did not see any impact. non-native invasives growing there either. [laughter] >> Yeah, people have different definitions

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of invasives. Those I I assume were >> stagnant. Yeah. >> Yeah. There Stagghorn. I thought there were something else. >> Tree of heaven. They're very similar looking. >> Um but I mean even though they're native like you can't say they're not invasive. I

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mean they're like they grow like w like I've never seen a plant grow like that. Like I mean they're everywhere. mountain. >> They're the host plant for the Luna Mall. >> Yeah, you guys said originally you wanted silt fences up in 10 days. They

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were up 2 days later. Um, and then you wanted a proposal within 30 days. I had that Wednesday when you guys came, but obviously you had to save it for this meeting. So, this is the proposed uh plan. There's two different boards on

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there. Um, both of them show a straight down staircase, which is not accurate. Um, the staircase that's there is the same layout. Nothing's changing with that. Uh the only difference between these two plans is one of them is just

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the rock and um the geoell and then the other one has a retaining wall on the bottom where the shoreline is which I would preferably like to do the whole hillside first to stabilize it, get measured into place and then you know

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either maybe later this year or next year uh potentially do a retaining wall because I also have to look into the um the what's it called? >> Vinyl. >> Yeah, the vinyl pilings. >> I've been looking around everywhere. I can't find anyone who does them.

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>> Um so if you guys have any or know anyone that >> they got a couple people >> over on North Pondo >> 13 North Pond, they just mix them in. >> Yeah. >> And very successful. >> Yeah. >> I'm not opposed like anything that is, you know, I'm going to be spending a lot

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of money regardless. Um, but anything that's effective that you guys are happy with that looks, you know, halfway visually pleasing as well, I'm totally fine with. I just need to find uh, you know, if it's a retaining wall, I could have my guys do it. If it's concrete, if

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it's uh, the vinyl sheets, I don't have the equipment or the means to do that. So, I'd have to hire someone to do it. >> Bioengineering is not an option here. Um, as far as the

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shoreline, I I don't think there's any way. I mean, that little gully right to the right of the bottom deck down by the water, the wake boats are just hammering it. >> I mean, even when they were over, like

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there was a couple of just regular boats kind of driving by and the waves were a foot, [snorts] two feet. When the wake boats come by, they're four feet high and they're slamming the whole deck and everything. This is what's proposed under the enforcement order.

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>> We never There was no enforcement. Well, >> you wrote him a letter, right? >> No, >> I may have written him a letter. >> You sent two? >> He's definitely got two. Yeah. >> Um I think I sent you a third one.

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>> I never got a third one before. >> I got both of them at the same time. >> The first two released >> 25 you got gave you deadlines, right? To have all this. >> Uh I have to look at it. I'm not sure if

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they did. I have the same >> I think both the letters just said that I had to reach out to the cons conservation commission. >> Some of it could be done under enforcement order but when it comes to doing the the um kind of retaining wall

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let's put at the bottom that would have be a notice of intent, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Any idea how you're going to do that? >> Retaining wall. >> Yeah. >> Well, so that's the big question really is like I wanted to get the bulk of it done. the whole hillside stabilized

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first and then like like I said, I'm looking for people that can do the vinyl pilings, the sheet, you know, things or um if I was going to do it with concrete, I would essentially have to have a pumper truck at the

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uh parking lot and then either have a second pump halfway up the hill or I would have to have concrete buggies moving back and forth and and then build a chute down >> to it to Yeah. >> And you got to make sure if you have

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>> underneath it that it's not going to get undermined. So, >> how about a barge? >> That's what we talked about on the site. That's probably your best bet. >> Barge out there. >> See the logistics of operating from the parking lot

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>> for the work that he's proposing here. Are we going to issue some kind of friendly enforcement order for him to be able to do that or forgot >> for a minute that's not on the >> purpose of the meeting? >> That's a tough one. >> Well, we wanted to bring back what what

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we saw at the site visit. Couple that with what we discussed last time and if there was any further ideas we could give Nick, you wanted to hear them and then he I thought he was going to come in with an NOI after that. But

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you're you're suggesting perhaps we should do it two ways. One on force for the hill and then a future NOI for the erosion, >> right? Yeah. >> So give him some kind of permission or you know some kind of something in writing that >> able to do what he's doing up there and

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get him out of non-compliance. >> Yeah. >> And then come back in with >> those intent when you're ready to do the bulk of the work. >> Yeah. Well, this is kind of like an informal discussion, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Kind of have some ideas bounce back and forth so that he has direction.

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>> Yeah. >> Appreciate you coming down. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, there was a third letter. It was mailed to you last week um at your um >> Wildflower Lane. >> Wild It was mailed from Wild Fire Lane

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and it talked about the um scheduled site visit for Wednesday, July 8th. Mhm. >> Um the commission voted to require to the installation of two rows um of silk fencing and then the time frame of when it needs to be installed. And it said

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the additionally the commission requests that you prepare a plan depicting existing um conditions and any proposed restoration or future work on the property. This plan shall be submitted to the conservation commission as part of a request for determination and

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applicability. Um, >> yeah. So, that's probably the >> I haven't picked up mail there in probably two or three weeks, so it's probably there. >> But I guess if you have a better address I can send this to, then

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>> let me know that. >> It would expedite the process that we could do quick enforcement instead of having you come back at another meeting with an RDA and then prove that. And you think that's the idea.

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>> So what exactly would the enforcement order be? I don't know if I even got >> they already got the sil fences out. That would be in the enforcement order. >> I do have copies of enforcement order >> and the proposed >> Yeah.

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>> stabilization. I mean most of the stuff Most of the stuff I think could be done under a friendly enforcement order and just adding air come back for the notice of intent when any additional or

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>> does it add the type of planting he's going to put and >> plant things around there. Yeah. What about the wellhead cover? You going to be able to get that out of there without a problem? >> So, the that's going to stay. Um

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>> just going to leave that for now. >> Yeah. I mean, I was originally thinking it's kind of like where do you stop really? >> Yeah. Yeah. I was originally thinking like, oh, let's try to move the well up on the other side of the guest house and

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then it would be close to the house and you could insulate it more. >> But then like ripping all that out and getting it up there, it' be like a just a big nightmare and >> think that out really well. And so I

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mean I think you know ripping out that busted concrete that's all sloping down towards the water ripping all that out and then uh putting in like a small uh just deck section the same exact layout footprint and then uh the housing of the

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expansion tank ripped that out and then build like a small little thing that I could insulate with like R50 or R70 and go crazy with insulation. Mhm. [clears throat] >> How long have you had the owned this place? >> I bought it

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beginning of last winter. >> Was that like a party house before? >> I wouldn't say it was a party house. It was more of like a hoarder house. Um >> that board of health one time, I think. And >> Oh, I know that.

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>> So that house was two houses over to the left. The blue one. >> Yeah, the blue one. That was the >> I've heard stories about that, too. Yeah. >> So, it says install rip wrap stone along the toe of the retaining wall. Is that that 8 foot retaining wall?

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>> No. So, that's that retaining wall. Um, if I don't know if you still have the pictures from the shoreline. So, the 8 foot retaining wall is actually above the water. It's to the left of the stairs, >> right? >> Um, that guy >> below that wall.

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>> Yeah. So some place >> the head. >> There it is. >> There it is. Yeah. So that's the retaining wall that's above the actual uh deck like at the water line. If I was going to do a retaining wall, it'd be to the right of the stairs where all the

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erosion is happening cuz that's I mean there's two quartes on the top of that that are kind of bulging out a little bit. I'll probably just you know fix those and kind of put them back but reinforce them. Yeah. And that whole

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where that retaining wall is is awesome. It's great just like but the on the other side and on the right side it's all kind of pulling towards until >> So where would the rear fract go? >> It would be on the right hand side. So

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if you look at the picture uh there's the existing site which is here. >> Yeah. >> And this is the proposed. >> Oh that's the proposed. >> Yeah. And both of them. So, this one doesn't have a retaining wall at all. This is just all the rock and plants.

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And then this one has the uh proposed retaining wall if I was going to eventually do that. >> It seems like the crushed stone would be okay, but rip wrap I'm not real thrilled about. So, I originally uh brought up like just

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natural stone. >> Yeah. >> And then I I don't know who it was. Somebody proposed rip wrap and I was like I honestly doesn't matter what stone it is to me. Like as long as it's effective then fine. We like the natural stone.

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>> Yeah. >> And he's got the rain bringing it down and then he's got the waves gouging it out. >> Yeah. Right. >> I mean that's really what's going on. So, you know, it's it's a situation. >> It's a catch 22. So, I don't know. Guess stabilize the shoreline without roaching

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into the lake and the parameters, you know, and then and then take care of the what's above it. >> Yeah. >> That's coming down all the time. And maybe if he takes care of the bottom first, then the top will fill that naturally and just

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>> that seemed like the best order sequence to go in. >> Yeah. Right. Have you talked to an engineer at all about this? Like I love Associates. >> I have an engineer that I've worked with a bunch in the past, but that's mostly for like house stuff like buying and

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selling houses. >> Yeah. >> Um but I I mean I can run this by him. He said anytime, you know, if I want to shoot him over or whatever I got, then he's more than happy to take a look at it. So >> make sure that what you do is effective and you're not wasting your money.

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>> Yeah. Um, >> yeah. >> Yeah. Like I mean, like you said, I think the better uh plan would be to do the retaining wall first and then the rock. >> Yeah. But um I think it's

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you know we're still trying to figure out like >> in time you can do little measures you know to to try to help it out you know until you get to the big point where you can actually do the earth moving and all that kind of good stuff. >> It's it's super difficult with like

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access to there's no access thereough tough to the island. >> I don't even know why I bought that house. >> Yeah. >> Oh it's a nice spot. It's a beautiful >> It is a great spot, but it's a tough spot to get any equipment to or anything like that. >> That's That's a downside. Yeah. You live on an island, so that's cool.

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>> Everyone that you know has come over and like looked at, oh, it's great. It's secluded. It's on an island. It's awesome. Right. Yeah. It's great when it's done and you don't have to worry about it anymore. >> They should just fill that canal in and >> put a road in there, [laughter] >> kind of vehicle do you have? Like a golf

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cart or an big ATV to get across? So, I have a golf cart for just like general transport and then >> groceries and whatnot. Yeah. >> Yeah. I have a side by side that I've been hauling everything up there with it. So, >> you can't pick this up >> and I think about you guys every time I go by there.

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>> Everybody's got to get in there. >> You need a furnace or something. >> Yep. Lost Norm stepped up for a second. >> Know anybody with a helicopter?

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>> Um I knew one guy. >> He was like down in New Jersey though. >> I know a bunch. If you go that route, I get a bunch of helicopter pilots. >> Sounds a little pricey. >> It will be like $20,000 a day. Yikes.

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>> Presented in phases. >> The piled in sheets sound like a nice option for you. They're >> they look nice. They work well. >> So, whatever. >> And I think you can make them tall enough to absorb it. >> Kind of look at that. And then whatever. >> And there's a kind.

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>> I'm curious to see what's basically going to be like we're not I don't have any at all. >> Yeah. I just know that you know it takes a little bit of effort because they're jammed in. They use a big machine. >> Oh yeah, I was there. >> There's a couple folks around the lake that have them and they look great. I

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was there. >> Yeah. I think the only hard part would be >> probably most likely having a barge and then machine, you know, mini X or something on a on a barge to >> Yeah, I'm curious to like see, you know,

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what it would cost to do that. I can reach out to the general contractor for 13 North Pond. >> Yeah. >> Um, see, >> somebody just put one in a north pond, correct?

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>> Reach out. Reach out and see. >> He's on smoke, too. So, that was a good option for him. >> Was that the one that's like 12 feet tall? >> Yeah, >> we're going to cut it down, though. Right now. >> Yeah, I think. >> That is I was driving by that. I was like, "Oh my god." >> Stop. the the tough one is there to

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stay. >> I mean, >> but they use the equipment to hammer the bit. >> And Mark's was the guy that we hired and I suggested that he use a belt and he found a belt

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to bring stone down and conveyor belt >> like a conveyor belt worked far. Yeah. It cut down on having to, you know, manually carry them and whatever. They just put stuff on the belt and the belt moved it

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down and they didn't need the belt moved it up. >> But when they put the sheet piling in it, don't they have like water jets go down to >> So you don't have to It's not like pounding it down. It's got water jets. So it >> they just pound. Yeah. Isn't there like

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a one-way thing too as they, you know, it's picture an arrowhead and as it goes down it'll jam in but it won't pull back up. I remember seeing a drawing a long time ago and said I backs in there though. You can't just pull >> because you don't want them to be tippy

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once they're if you get them deep enough they're not. >> Yeah. You probably have to invisible. >> So how do you want to handle a storm? >> Well I missed part of what you were saying. We're just waiting for you to >> You missed the part about the helicopter. [laughter]

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>> Couple of friendly. >> I think we should just to get get the ball rolling. Get something. >> I need you to tell me what to write for the extent and type of activity for the enforcement. I need to know. >> Well,

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>> well, he's already got some stuff done. Yeah, the erosion control, but >> stabilizing um well, you want to do their plantings or >> Yeah. So, geocell installed uh which if

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you I'm not sure if you know what geocell is, but it's on the second page. There's like kind of a little diagram uh right >> here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> And you can put natural stone in it. So holds it and you stake it into the ground uh with big stakes and they all

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tie together. So >> how much of the hill geo cells right >> you still put plantings in there inside the geocell? >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So it'll be like as opposed to

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like the way that it looks now. It just looks like a bunch of weeds and over I mean you mean but you know >> but they would stabilize it too. >> But uh >> if we can find or you know get some small plants that are >> that have great roots that can like grab on to the hillside. Plant those where

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you know you can see kind of like 10 or 15 of them kind of spread out through there. >> Um put those in in the geo cell and you know fill with rock and stuff. >> What's called a blue move creeper? Is that what it is? The one is it called a move. It's like um an evergreen of

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sorts, but it creeps >> into >> and and it just keeps rooting rooting rooting as it goes and considering it doesn't have a lot of trees to drop a lot of leaves on it which will kill them. >> So geioel

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maybe that might be a good option. >> Native shrubs >> or chalaka that works too. >> I should have emailed it too. I'm sorry. Well, what you can do is if you can rug one up and send it to Dennis and myself. >> Yeah, >> we can review

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>> like you usually do. Yeah, >> right. But I don't know what to put down. Um because there's a lot going on and there's a lot said so I need to know exactly what to put on it. >> So we're doing install geo cell. >> We'll start with the rosa control which is our

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>> there. Yeah, the nurse control which is the >> that's why I was saying maybe break it down into like two phases or three phases so that >> well to do one of the things >> not anything on the line not anything on the water itself.

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>> No, right. It's just the hill. >> So >> So it's basically just installing geocell the the stone. Is it going to be washed angular stone or is it going to be >> um >> number two washed angular stone? >> Yeah, I mean whatever you guys want.

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>> So one, two, >> and then three >> three native shrubs or ornamental grasses. That's good. Um preserve the existing birch tree, mature pine trees, the shoreline vegetation outside of the work area. Yep, we add that. That's the exclusion concrete retaining

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wall adjacent will remain in place. Yep. And that >> and then I don't know about >> and just that the last one I would put that in there that that would be part of the NOY and >> that's the retain wall

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>> the the rip wrap stone along the retain but >> I don't know if you actually wrote to install a retain wall anywhere. Are you planning in having a temporary dock there or permanent one in >> temporary one now?

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>> Yeah, I have a temporary dock on the right side already. >> So LP local permitting. >> Is that permitted yet? >> No, I have to go to >> sticker. So put that in there too that need that

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permit for the state. did a little sticker and put it on the side of it. I photocopied mine. We call this a friendly gives you the because I knew it was done a whole lot

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file more paperwork and >> if anybody called the state or anything, you've got paperwork to back it up, [snorts] you know. Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Right up. >> All right.

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>> So, you'll get something from her. >> Do you want to give you uh a better address? >> Yes, I do. >> Please. Well, we'll be happy to work with you on this to make sure that it's down.

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>> Yeah. The the neighbor actually next door um was thinking about doing something similar, but he was scared. He like, "Oh, I don't want to get involved and they're going to just tell them it's not that bad after all." >> He he asked me. He was like, "Oh, did

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they, you know, throw you in jail or you?" I was like, "No, they're all like pretty nice. Like, they just want to help, you know." >> Yeah. So, >> that's what we're here for. >> But you're doing the right thing. Like, you have a problem that needs to be addressed and you're trying to address it. We certainly recognize that. >> Might get some ideas, too.

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>> Okay. All good here. >> Good. >> I think what >> don't we have to reinforcement orders? >> Oh, yeah. We need a motion to come up with a friendly enforcement order.

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You want to ratify it now. The enforcement order. >> No, >> no, just I'll make a motion to create a friendly >> You can create it. You just have to We have to ratify it once it's created. >> Right. That's it. You can Sabrina can write enforcement order anytime she

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feels like it >> and then we ratify it at the next meeting. >> Oh, I see. Well, >> you already know all the details and I've got a signature sheet right here. I'll sign it. >> I'll just send it off to I can send it off to everybody just for final look through.

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>> You can make a motion to >> I don't want to I don't want to delay sending out the enforcement order to for two weeks. [gasps] [clears throat] >> Say that again. >> We don't want to delay sending any information. >> Oh, for two weeks. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah.

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No. Yep. Agree. >> So, just Yeah. Write it up. send it out and we'll ratify it at the next meeting. >> I think you can vote on it now. >> Well, we don't have an enforcement order to vote on. >> We just

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>> You haven't written it yet? >> Yeah, but we just described everything that was >> Okay. So, you've written an enforcement order and I'll make a motion to ratify it. >> It's a draft. The draft is probably okay, >> right? >> No, it's a it's an enforcement order. It's written and we're ratifying it.

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>> Okay. So, we have a motion. We have a second. >> Second. >> Memo to second to send out the enforcement order. Friendly enforcement order. >> Friendly. >> We'll call vote. I >> wait one moment.

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>> Signing, isn't it? [laughter] >> How do you vote, Dennis? >> How do you vote? I [laughter] >> Jerry I >> Andy I >> unanimous vote. Okay. Thank you. >> Good job. >> Okay.

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>> And the ladies are on top of things. >> We'll go back to new business. Uh emergency certification 18 breaking July. >> Um yes. So there uh actually a couple years ago we did an emergency search for

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um the same birch tree. Um this was a multi- trunk birch tree. Sorry, I'm trying to find I'm trying to do two things at once. Multi- uh trunkked birch tree and um they had taken down a couple of the

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>> trunks a few years ago. Since then, the tree has died and now pieces of it are falling um onto their property. >> And I'll just bring up the birch trees.

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>> Yeah, >> they're fragile. >> Building the car right down the map. No, >> that's the dead tree. And so pieces pieces have started to

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fall down. So um I guess you didn't >> electric. I guess we don't need the tree more to look at that one. >> I did I did have Rich come techically has to so we just came and looked at a dead tree. Um >> much push it over.

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>> I Yeah, basically. But um Ryan Duncan um either did the work already or he will be doing the work um taking it down in chunks, leaving this leaving the the trunks or the stumps um in place so there's no earth disturbance. basically

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just getting rid rid of some dead wood. Um, >> and we need to ratify the >> Yes, that would. Yes. >> Looking for a motion? >> Yes. >> I'll make a motion to ratify the enforcement or I mean the emergency

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certification. >> I'll second that motion. >> Okay. Andy made the second. Roll call vote. >> I Andy. Unanimous vote on the emergency certification

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request for approval to spend 157 $50.37 for office supplies from the local wetland fee account. >> Yes. So, our local wetland fee account, we have um over $8,000 in it. We can only use this money for the

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administration of our wetland bylaw. Um, I have a colored printer in the office to print all of our pictures and whatnot. Um, so I need toner for that. And then I also use special folders for um our order conditions packets. So I

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ordered those as well. So this is for folders and some toner. And I figured we've got the money. I only use this for wetland protection act stuff. So let's use it. Okay. You want us to make it for an even 200 just in case it comes to over budget or you need something else.

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>> It's 15057. That's exactly what it is. >> Well, if you're sure about it. >> Well, I'll make the motion till we approve the request. >> Pretty sure the motion >> and it's seconded for [clears throat]

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15057. Roll call vote. No, >> Dennis. I normie. unanimous vote. >> Next. >> Okay. On further on old business, Division of Fisheries and Wildlife response to proposed C erosion control

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restoration project. We asked the open space committee for input on that, right? >> Yeah. I talked to Connor. He said that he wants to go out and have a look to get a better idea. Okay. >> Um and it's his busy season, so he's going to try to do it within the next

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few weeks. And as I said, I can go if he needs me. >> Rising corner. Anything new on the floating bridge? >> I'm waiting for contact from Andy. >> You told me you're going to give me a contact. >> All right. [laughter]

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>> That was that was for someone that could get their pricing for stainless steel rods. >> Steel rods. >> Okay. Next item. Discussion of seasonal trash removal. I think we can take this off. We got a guy and he started.

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>> So happily happily taking that off. >> Okay. The table items. Nothing new on that. Discussion of the retaining wall at 485. Nothing new on that. Report from Southfield Conservation Commission meetings. There was one you heard about the

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>> Y earlier our meeting here. There is another project coming up. have asked for the plans for one of the shore shorefront properties 470 right lake view I think it is want to put up a barn

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>> a barn >> so I'll ask to get the calls for that >> and I think this is the conservation coordinator report you got anything to add >> yes and just before you guys pack up and like I book it we still have meeting minutes to approve

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Um so we did have the owners of 2011 Granville um Road. They came into the office. They did receive their emergency um not emergency enforcement order. Um and they said that they need some more

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time. So I told them to submit something in writing to us. Um it's been a couple weeks since I had that conversation with them and they haven't submitted anything yet. But I do believe at the end of this month, I think end of this month was the deadline

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um for them to submit a restoration plan. That's the update on that. And that's all that I have. >> All right. Anybody else got anything before we get to minutes?

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>> Uh I actually have something I wanted to share. um if you have a moment. Um back in >> back in June, um Sabrina sent us all the information about the Massachusetts stateowned land pilot program and um

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they actually had a meeting today at Hoy Community College. So, I went out to it and um it was pretty interesting because they actually wanted to hear what the towns had to had to input um regarding the stateowned land in our town. Um I

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was trying to find where it is in our town that they have land. I'm thinking it's um wershed, but I'm not sure. Um, but they have a whole um, you know, um, I'll just read pretty much what they

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they are wanting to do. Um, pilot for the stateowned land program provides payments to m municipalities that host certain categories stateowned tax exempt land. The watershed pilot program provides payments to communities that

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host protected wersheds land serving the Massachusetts Water Resource Authority. water supply. Um so basically they asked they put us in small groups and um they asked like input you know uh what's most

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important in our area and basically we I spoke about like quality water uh for drinking um we've had a water restriction for a long time um agricultural irrigation things like that

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um but um basically it's just the beginning of the pilot program. So, um it was pretty interesting. Just wanted to share that. It's basically mostly probably having to do with land management. So, I'm going to bring it up to them whenever we have the next

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meeting. So, um you know, I I would like to try to go on to the um the GIS system to try to see what's on there on the town um website, but I um I haven't been able

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to kind of look at it. I haven't had time to. So, but that's basically it. It was a really cool really cool um uh meeting that happened. So, it was good to go to. >> Thank you for going for >> Yeah, it's pretty interesting. So, I'm

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sure there'll be I I gave a copy to the select board office today just so they they could look at it just in case we can get any, you know, funds from there. That would be nice. But it's probably going to take a while to get that. So,

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but yeah, I already I'm sorry. >> Thank you, Jen. >> Oh, yeah. You're welcome. It was fun to go to. >> Okay. All right. So, now let's turn to meeting minutes for June 1st. We had

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present at that meeting, we had Andy, Jerry, Dennis, and Noah. So, make a motion that we approve the minutes for June 1st. >> I'll move to approve the minutes of June 1st. >> Okay. I'll second motion.

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>> Any made second. Roll call vote. Dennis >> I. >> You can't move for that. Sorry. >> Oh, it was a [laughter] Dennis. >> Dennis. >> Norm. >> India. unanimous vote for

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>> those four people that abstain. >> He voted for it anyway. >> He's all in favor in good faith. >> Okay. [laughter] >> Okay. For our June 15th meeting, we had present Norm MT Jerry

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and Dennis. So, we have a quorum for those for that one. Sure. >> I'll take a motion to approve the minutes for June 15th. >> I'll make that motion. >> Do we have a second? >> Second.

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>> Sherry made the second. Roll call vote. >> Do I? >> I that is I. >> Norm I >> I'm just going to put a star. >> Unanimous vote for those four peoples. >> Andy abstain from now on.

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>> Exit. Yes. >> Then we got the July 6 meeting. We had present for that we had Norm MT Jerry and Andy. >> Make a motion to approve that. >> I'll make a motion to approve the minutes. >> Jerry's milking a second.

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>> I'll second. >> Okay. [clears throat] Roll call vote. >> I Jerry I Andy. Those four are unan not unanimous because Dennis abstain. >> All right. So we're current on minutes.

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>> Wait. Did we do May 18th? >> Huh? >> May 18th. >> May 18th. We approved >> the star next to my name. >> Did we? >> Well, if you look at the June 1st minutes, >> we approved May 18th. I don't have signature.

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>> Oh, okay. We're missing it so we >> Yeah. >> We did maze. >> Did we? No. >> Well, in the minutes of May of June 1st, it says we did go back to the signatures. We didn't. >> Okay.

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>> Was it was it like um Andy was uh zooming or something? >> Well, let's see who was here for May. There was one set of minutes. We didn't approve because the right people weren't here. >> Yes. >> Are they here now?

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>> Well, I got you got two. No, I got to come back. Okay. >> Okay. For May 18th, we had present Nortt >> Dennis. So, we do not have four. >> Oh, that's right. We didn't have a quorum.

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>> Do we have Chris's signature on there? I don't recall being here when there wasn't a quorum. >> Yeah, that's true. Well, I wasn't here. >> No, it uh he said those are the people who are here. So, Chris voted. Chris was there, but he's not here today.

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>> Okay. >> Not enough people from that meeting and that meeting. Got it. >> June 1st meeting. Oh, >> so we'll have to come back to May 18th. Okay. Okay.

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back to the signature folded. >> Okay, there's that one. >> I think there was one meeting where one of one of the vote voting members was on Zoom, but I'm not sure. It was recently though and I think

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>> right we can still vote on Zoom sign. We can still vote. >> But wasn't this one who's actually absent from the May 18th meeting? I don't think I was there on anything as well.

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>> Okay. >> There's so much stuff. >> All right. So, we're we're going to do the 18th at our next meeting. That's correct. >> We have people. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Anybody got anything else? >> I got a motion to adjurnn.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Second roll. All >> vote. I >> may vote. All right. >> Close the the meeting at what time is it? >> 9:09. >> 9:09.