November 3rd, we're going to call the Conservation Commission meeting to order. Town Hall conference room three. Meeting is a hybrid both Zoom and in person. And we'll start with a roll call vote starting with Chris, please.
>> Chris Pratt, Dennis Clark, >> Nor Chver, >> Terry Patrian, Kevin Sol. >> So, we do have a quorum and believe that Andy Reen will be a little late. First item on the agenda is public comments. Is there anybody in the
audience that would like to bring up any item to the board? I see any we have anybody online that is interested? No. Okay.
And since it's not quite time for the first public hearing, let's go with review of the minutes from our last meeting of October 20th. We haven't looked them over. Please quickly do so. >> I think there was one thing that we
needed from you, Norm. >> Uh maybe page two or three. That's the um letter. It's sorry, it's on page four at the top. So,
>> you mentioned something about a letter that had been sent to Sfield. It says last letter >> and I Yeah. So I just wrote or we just wrote which which letter because we weren't really sure what which letter you were talking about. You wrote the letter
>> letter from our town council >> to the town council of suffield or >> the town council. town council >> to our town council to their town council. >> Correct. >> Okay.
>> Anybody else got anything on these minutes? >> None. I will put a motion. I'll make a motion accept the minutes as it's >> October 20th. >> I'll second. >> Okay. And second.
>> And for the record, note that Andy Reen has just arrived. >> Um the meeting minutes that were approved last meeting, we only got three signatures.
We get the other signatures. I signed >> Norm, Jerry, and Andy got gold stars for signing. Everyone else, >> that was that side of the table. That's why I never made it around. Pass it over.
All right. >> Maybe I abain though, doesn't it? >> I don't. >> I believe I believe we did because we missed the fire meeting. So we have a motion on the table to approve the October 20th minutes has
been seconded and as amended. Roll call vote starting with Andy, please. >> I did not hear the >> Yeah, it was good so far. >> It was good. >> Andy, >> was this something Norm had to add that Sabrina wasn't aware of? So I
>> Chris Chris I >> Dennis I norm I >> Jerry I >> Kevin I unanimous vote >> sorry I didn't realize there was a motion >> I didn't realize there was a motion >> I thought the motion had already been
>> okay did you get your signatures from the prior there you go >> let's make sure we got them all >> good enough we've got five Okay. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, we'll go to our first public
hearing of the night and I'll read the call of the meeting. The Southwest Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act, GLC 131, section 40, and the Southwood Conservation Commission regulations and bylawbies,
chapter 182 and chapter 450 for notice of intent. Project location is 142 Berkshire, Mass. Math 135, parcel 2. The applicant proposes it inflates a wooden deck
partly within the 100t buffer zone of the wetland. The meeting will be held on November 3rd at 2025 via Harvard starting at 7 p.m. in the south town hall and on Zoom. We'll open up the public hearing to the
petitioner. um than the deck. The deck is rotted and falling off, but we're I don't know if you read the >> Yes. Oh, okay. >> It's fine. That was just a a short. >> Oh, I was going to say like we're doing
a lot. >> Yeah. No, you're doing a lot more. >> Okay. >> Um I have your plan up here. Um if you want to come on up to zoom in a little bit. Yes. Any final? >> Yeah.
>> Would you like to give us a description of what we're proposing? >> Um, basically we're going to have a walk out um deck now because right now the land's sloped and there's like two big stumps. So, we're going to come out, I think it was approximately like 36 feet,
do uh a 4ft drop and go another 12 ft and do another 4ft drop. >> Um the deck actually I don't think is in the wetlands area or the 100. >> It's just outside the B. >> But the where we're you want me to go and point to what I'm doing?
>> Yeah. Or actually, it's right there. So, we're going to come obviously there's a deck. We got to redo that. And then here there's going to be a 4ft drop and another 4 foot here. Nothing's going to be touched after that. And we're going to take this land. There's two big
stumps that we had to take out from the trees. They were dying or something there right here and here. But that it just keeps eroding. We I put a temporary thing up there. But I mean, so I want to take the land out. This is the land right here is at the
>> where we want it >> where we want it right now. where it would be a walk out basement. >> So, we're just thinking of taking all this out and >> redoing it with the two walls, >> a terrace. >> Yeah, just two. >> And then this is right here. Well, it's
actually Yeah, right there is where it starts going down to the lake quite a bit. This is back a little bit just to keep it flat. Um, right now these two stumps are like really right in the way of everything >> but it's holding away. We're going to
So, we don't want to touch the deck yet, which is literally falling off the house so bad. >> Yeah. >> But I want to be able to do a twostory deck there. >> So, we're waiting to take that down until we get approval to take the >> So, it'll be just like a step down deck.
>> It It'll be a second story. So, it'll be the basement will be walk out. >> Okay. >> Now, be like one step outside the house down into the deck, >> right? >> And then a 12 step was going down. >> There be terrace two times. Yeah. two 4 foot um walls.
>> And the surface is going to be >> right >> up here. Well, obviously here there's going to be like a um probably like a threeseason porch type thing underneath the deck. This will be um partially concrete here and the rest will be
>> grass or sand. We're not sure. >> Grass or something. Yeah. >> Where's your silt fence on that drying? I have there's one right there one about here and then there's one down here >> right now.
>> This plan one at the bottom is >> I actually have three silk fences up here. >> Yeah, >> it just keeps there's so much >> they're there. The one at by the lake that you guys had me put up that's down because the vegetation's back and stuff.
So in winter time we took the docks out. We had to move the sil. Yeah, these these silt fence we keep replacing cuz we get over here especially the water off the road. It's like a river. So until like we we don't have a paved driveway yet, but I do have a hump
there, but it still keeps making its way off the road. Like we're in a >> sort of a So this will protect the lake more than it is now. >> Oh, for sure. It'll flatten the land right there a lot which will slow the
water down will help it just infiltrate run downhill. Yep. >> Now the the stairs down towards the lake you say is going to be removed. >> No not eventually that's like our >> maybe in the future future but it's
pretty much more than that. >> Those stairs at the bottom those are going to be the concrete ones >> at the bottom of the >> This right here. >> That's a dot. >> Are those stairs? That what at the bottom? >> Oh look. Yeah. >> That's existing stairs. >> Okay. Yeah. It's only Yeah, it's only
going to be four feet each of these. So, it's only going to be a few steps on each one just to get down. And it's like sort of flat. The stairs actually go about here somewhere down to the water. >> Yeah. >> I think we got most everything in the We've been working with her quite a bit,
I think, to make sure we have all the paperwork >> and we sent all the letters out to everybody. >> Well, I hadn't won. We had >> the rest rest I handed out. >> Yeah, we went to everyone's house for that.
>> Any further questions of petitioner? >> We need to see the is intending to put on the silk fence locations on the plant. We need to see them on there. >> No, they have to silk fence. I'm sure we
didn't see it labeled that before on this sheet. So is the is is this this >> I'm really a little confused if this is the straw waddle >> this waddle and that's >> well this is the 100 right here.
>> All right. So the concrete and existing deck are pretty much just barely in. >> Yeah. Correct. >> Yep. >> Then the rest of the terracing is really what's too Yeah.
Okay. To address Andy's question, he's he's saying, "Shouldn't we have the silk fence on the building?" >> It should be on that drone. >> Well, I was scroll >> that and then the other one I believe. >> Yeah. This is I believe this is the one
that we put our model. Yeah. I >> think there's a blow up of it the previous page that I love. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think the I think the uh decal the note just got cut out. But this is the self right there. Yeah, that's where
>> that's what Yeah, that's what I was wondering. I swear you guys had it on here before. So this is the bottle and silk fence here. >> It's just missing the the arrow to arrow. >> No, it's right there. There is an arrow
to it. It's just very light. Oh. Oh, I print. Yeah. >> So, that's maybe didn't copy. Well, >> no. We just actually bought a new printer yesterday. You can believe. >> Yeah. And I scanned I scanned your >> main
land immediately. It's going to slow the water down quite a bit >> because it's it's a slope. It's just it's just it's hard to stop right now. But >> yeah, especially with the amount of rain we've had. At least it'll fool before it goes over the the edge. >> The plants look good. Did a good job on
plans. >> Easy to understand. I like that. >> Yeah. >> And it looks like everything's in order of buttered notices and everything. Everything's in order. Okay. Motion. >> Are we doing >> need to close? We need to close the public. >> Notice of intent of follow.
>> I'll move to close the public hearing. >> Yeah. We have a motion to close the public hearing. Do we have a second? >> Second. >> Matt has made the second. Roll call vote. >> Andy I. >> Chris I. >> I. Norm I. >> Jerry I. >> Kevin I.
>> Unanimous vote. Now on the notice of intent. Do we have a motion? >> Make a motion to approve it with order conditions. standard order conditions. >> Um, be the $10,000 bond. What else,
Sabrina? The regular >> standard boiler plate D conditions. >> Yeah. >> You want to listen? >> You'll get it. It'll be a part of the order conditions. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'll have a motion. Do we have a second?
>> Second. >> Chris has made the second. So, we have a motion to approve with standard order of conditions, including the $10,000 bonds. Any discussion on that motion? Hearing none, roll call vote. >> Andy, I missp.
>> Dennis, I nor I cherry I >> unanimous vote. Congratulations. >> When can we start? I'll write up the paperwork um and contact you >> and we can um work on pre-construction
site visit >> and posting the bond so it can be shy bond or cash that's through the treasur's office so don't try to give me money >> really >> start with the silver >> yeah you can put up those you can put
upation No, no, I understand. I mean like paying the bond and everything, but just wait for you for the list of things we got to do. >> Okay. Thank you everybody. >> Yes. Thank you. >> Thanks.
>> Have a good night. >> All right. We're going to move to our second public hearing tonight and I'll read the order. The Sellwood Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and the Self Conservation Commission
regulations in bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request of determination. The project location is 24 Street, South Mass, map 114, parcel 65. The applicant proposes to remove pen
hemlocks infected with woolly. >> Thank you. And to expand two bedrooms of the existing dwellings. The meeting will be held November 3rd at 2025 via hard starting at 700 p.m. in the south town
hall and on Zoom. Ma'am, we will once again open the public hearing to the petitioner to join us at the table. For those that weren't here last time, we did have this on our agenda that there was a mistake that we made in the
call of the meeting that had March instead of October. >> Just a date. >> Yes. So, we did have a discussion of the plan that actually took no vote. We posted the the call of the meeting.
Do we have any questions we'd like to ask the petitioner? Has anything changed? >> Nothing. >> We talked about >> No, nothing changed. >> Everything from the wall to >> Yeah. Everything remains the same. >> What? >> I got in touch with the guy just cut it
down. He said postpone it till I call you. >> Okay. >> This is an RDA for negative or I look for determinations. Yes. >> Motion. Well, police first asked if
there's any other questions or comments wants to make. >> Okay, I'll take that motion. Are they going to be removed? >> The trees are >> with what trees are. >> Okay. >> Yeah, he's going to put plantings in. >> Yeah, I've got a plan. The guy's going
to cut the trees at the same level. So, it's a straight line across it. Okay. >> I'm going to put lattice in front of it and planting on top to put it. Got it. And then the lattice I'll put >> make a motion to find it negative. And do we need s fences on we decided
>> I think there's no excavation really. >> Okay. Motion to find a negative. >> Any motion? >> Second >> and seconded by Chris for a negative determination. Any further discussion? Roll call vote. >> Andy I. >> Chris Pr. >> Dennis I.
>> Norm Chver I. >> Terry I. >> Tab. I >> unanimous vote. >> Thank you. >> Congratulations. Thanks for holding. Sorry about the delay. >> That happened. >> I'll be writing up the paperwork and I don't know if you want to come pick it up.
>> I'll pick it up. I'm going to be around all time. >> Okay. >> I'll just uh just give me a call. Let me know when it's available and I'll stop by. >> We'll do. >> Thanks, gentlemen. Ladies, >> nice. >> Thanks. Oh, stop sharing. >> Okay. Next item on the agenda is request
under new business is request for certificate of compliance zero Hudson Drive 292-0396 and vote to release the 10,000 bond. And we do have Olivia on Zoom. Hi Olivia.
>> Hi. How you doing? >> Good. How are you? >> Good. >> So Olivia and I um we went out to the site on the 15th of October and we we walked over the solar field on perimeters
and everything looked good in my end. Let me know if there's any questions. >> Good. Y >> I'm good. Make a recommendation. >> Agreed. >> Make a recommendation to issue a certificate of compliance with
some drive and to release the bond. >> We have someone to make that motion. I'll make the motion to issue the certificate of compliance and release the $10,000 bronze. >> Governor made the motion in a second.
>> Second from Chris. >> Move. Any further discussion? >> Hearing none. Roll call vote. >> Andy I norm. >> Unanimous vote.
>> Save the date. Veterans Day parade, November 11th, 2025. Discussion confidential participation this year. >> Yep. You have that right to the left is the norm and you have a moment. Go ahead and read it into the meeting.
>> Thank you. >> You're welcome. Bye >> bye. American Legion Post 338 would like to invite you to participate in the Veterans Day parade on 11 November 2025. The parade will gather between
10:15 and 10:30 in the parking lot across from the summer house at 5:35 College Highway. Parade will proceed at 11:00 down to the town green at the War Memorial. We would be honored if you and your group will join us in remembering
our country's military servicemen and women who have lost their lives serving our country. At the conclusion of the service, there will be a brief gathering at the American Legion for participants and their families. Please respond as soon as possible.
Darcy Roth, Commander Post 38. Anybody interested in marching in the parade? Be there with the scouts and shade. It'll not be around. >> I have a doctor's appointment.
>> Marshall have a doctor's appointment. Okay. You want to be there? Be there. >> Anyone gonna be? >> What? Is anybody going to be there? >> I mean, I wish they would send out these notice, these invitations like a month
before they actually do. So, we get them kind of late and people already have plans. So, >> I'm going to plead. We know Veterans Day happens every year on the 11th. But it's not doesn't sneak up on me on me. I don't
>> just like Christmas. >> But when's Thanksgiving, >> that moves around. >> See, that's what I'm saying. >> But we don't march in that. >> Okay. >> Like the 4th of July. >> Oh my goodness. >> Can't sneak up on you. >> I think I mean to be honest, looking
back, we get these invites annually. So we could also plan ahead. They send us something every year coming. >> You know, >> we did have one member there last year, >> right?
>> Anyway, >> what do you got next, Norman? >> Next item on the agenda is discussion of 56 powder mill road storm water maintenance. >> So for you guys who are not familiar with 56 powder road, this is also motocross.
Um, and I had um a concerned citizen um contact me about possible um encroachment on a wetland resource out there. Um and also the possibility of the the
waste oil getting into the resource area. And I had Oh, there was a site visit between myself, Norm, right? Norm. Yep. Chris, um, Keith Johnson, who's the
proprietor of motocross, um, and Darcy Rock, who's the president of the American Legion. We had someone called Dick the Wick, who also worked for the motocross, and Joe De. We were all at this site visit. Um Keith gave us the
the lowdown on the storm water improvements that have been going on throughout the property. This also includes you know outside of confine jurisdiction and um it looks like that nothing new
has happened. At least that's what Chris said. >> This is pretty much the same. Does anyone out there what 10 years ago? probably better than it was 10 years ago. Yeah, that's for sure. Um, and it didn't look like they had done anything different than what was
going on then. We need to, you know, >> what I'm thinking is they need to have a plan, >> an operation plan, maintenance, and operation plan. >> Should have done >> so that they don't end up encroaching because right now there isn't a real plan drawn out, right? >> Could have been there been one brought
up a while ago, but I guess different owners, you know, different people in charge. So, >> right, >> better late than never. >> Yeah. So um I also told them that I want the area delineated so we know where the wetlands are >> and um submit a request for
determination of applicability with that delineation and that management plan so we know where things are and we have something >> they have done a lot of improvements. They put some drainage in to help filter out a lot of the sand that used to just free flow. Mhm.
>> So we got some traps for that and >> you know they have to keep on maintaining this of course because it keeps it builds up every time or anything. So >> what's the update on that? >> Well, we have yet to get anything from them. I imagine that one scientists are
kind of busy. So >> might be a month or two. >> All right. Thank you for that report. Any further questions on it? Okay. Next item is discussion of bill H3415. Old contractor is liable for unpermitted
work. >> Yeah. So you guys have a handout. This is something that was handed out um during the MACC conference this past weekend and I thought it was quite interesting. It's um a new proposal in a bill um to hold the well hold the
contractors liable just as liable as the land owners. So essentially what we've seen I know is in the past where a contractor comes in land owner thinks that he they've pulled all the permits permits haven't been pulled contractors
long gone landowner responsible for everything. So this is a proposal to um hold contractors accountable and then there is a section in this handout that says what you can do. Um, one thing is
to provide supporting testimony to these two um, email addresses. Um, urge our representative or senator to sign on to this proposal and then also to get the word out. So, >> I'm not sure
>> like my concern with this is I don't see the language that says you can like do a 7030 5050 split with the homeowner for instance. um the property on the guy that cut all the trees down and
put the arborites in the new house over there with the trailer was pulled out. >> That owner came in and asked you how to do it. You told him how to do it and he hired somebody to cut the tree down. >> So that's kind in that backyard arguably it's hard to tell that's I haven't walked it.
>> Well, I mean, >> but I don't see the language throw a 7030 split. Well, I think the language if this ever passed, which I doubt it will, but the language would probably be tweaked right? >> I think they're just for a letter of support that they should be. I think
right now they're not held accountable or they have sign a letter saying I'm not accountable for it and they get off the hook. So, I make a motion to uh >> write a letter of support for it. >> I would agree because a lot of times the contractors are well aware of what they're doing whereas the homeowner is
not. They don't know the regulations. Backpackers are usually aware of what they should be or shouldn't be doing in the wetland area. >> And we've heard the same guys multiple multiple times, right? >> Home owners. >> Be surprised if it passed, but I'd like
to give our support for it. So, it's a great idea, >> right? >> It would have helped us out >> instead of just sending letters off to them and not having any any um authority. So, >> I just wanted to say that we got the
item on the table from from 721 discussion of amending the south wetland bylaw. One of the items on that list was putting the onus on the contractor. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> We talked about it for a long long time. >> Or wish that it could have happened a
long long time ago. All right. So, we have a motion to support the bill. We have a second. >> Second. >> Seconded by Chris. Any further discussion or debate? >> No. Roll call vote. Andy >> I norm.
Unanimous vote to support the bill. >> Norm, do you want to see if Diane has something of putting on the agenda or are you here for the other reason? No. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Good.
Next item on the agenda is discussion. Fall planting. No, not that one. Is discussion of the holiday tree for the winter forest and craft fair 2025. >> What you guys want to do? >> Did we take an actual motion last
minute? >> Where's it? It's in the minute. Where's it going to be held? >> Let me just double check their website right now. >> To find out the location and put >> Yeah. Where's it going to be? >> Where is it going to be? >> Where is it going to be?
I keep checking their website. They're not updating the website. They're, you know, they mentioned something on Facebook. >> December 13th. Is that a new date? >> 2025. Okay. It's updated. So, it's going to be
at um >> 222 Fellas Highway. >> It says hosted by >> Hosted by Diane. Do you know where it's going to be? >> 222 be at town hall like it's always been. Is there a reason for that?
>> I have no idea. >> I I only have seen that advertisement and >> was the board asked if they wanted to have it here or No. >> The craft fair, the whole thing. No. >> Don't they line them up in the front?
>> I've got no interest. It's not a town hall. I've got no interest in participating. It's not it's not a town hall function, so we wouldn't have any say >> where they go. >> That is town hallto. Sure. >> Where's 222?
>> Uh church. >> The civic fun church building. >> Oh, okay. >> By the blue panther. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Sure. >> At least it's on the main drag. So, >> yeah. >> All right. >> You had one. Do we want to participate or not?
>> I I feel the same way. Zenis. I don't really have much interest. >> If it was here, I feel more was more of a town event. We're a town. >> Well, it's different. >> Entities would be more participatory when it's not really a town. >> They don't have the location. They don't have the parking. They don't have the
>> ambiance that we had here. That's what it was all about decorating hall. >> Really taking away from the like little bit of center we do have. We >> do have Yeah. Yeah. I don't disagree with that either.
So, I guess we're not going to participate. Anybody want to do an official vote or >> All right. Next item, discussion of the fall planning pan plan at Northound Conservation Area, which we postponed to
the spring primarily because part of what we're going to do was in the 100 foot buffer and didn't have a cuffed by an RDA. >> Yeah. And I also I spoke to um Jen Jones this morning. She works for she's the
steward for um Northine Conservation Area >> and she said that we do need to run by any plantings or any type of work like that by the state first. >> Um so >> you better start now if you want to get it for the spring. >> Yeah, she said do a quick turn. It'll be a quick turnover.
>> No, I mean it should be an easy answer. Get done. >> Getting on the agenda is another thing. Didn't we have a a letter from one of them saying it was a good idea? And I seem to recall a letter from >> well on one of our walks. So there's nothing official I don't believe. >> Nothing official.
>> I mean a good idea but they want they same thing that we request is a plan and know >> what plans for planting. >> Okay. >> All right. So who can write the RDA? >> Does anybody want to practice writing an RDA?
Can the conservation formally write an RDA for the Trump to the conservation? Like how does that work? >> It's been advised not to. So we would need a separate like town entity to be the applicant. >> How about our open space folks?
>> Yeah, I did suggest that to Connor. >> Um where is Connor? He's not on today. >> He's got first meeting. He's been here for most about all this. Um, yeah, I did suggest that to Connor and I
thought that, you know, it would be a good idea for him to learn because I feel like he's, you know, on the open space if they propose any projects within wetland resource area. Interesting. I think that would be a great way of him >> break them in, >> starting to become part of, >> right? Yeah.
>> Town since they really had any official business, this might be the first. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Big deal for them. >> Well, I would like to keep it open so that it can be a multi-year RDA. So that we can do most of the planting. >> Well, be in operation for three year. >> Yeah. An RDA is good for three years.
>> Yeah. >> Um >> so we'd probably want to have like a phased out plan then. Is that what we need to do or or do we just show because like like we had the original plan that I like just sketch up was only one
>> but you could do steps. Yeah. >> I think it's a formality basically. You know, it doesn't matter as long as we get the negative determination on it. >> Okay. >> Doesn't have to be in deep fit or anything. >> They're good for them to get involved with it though. I agree. You can Kevin
can work with them on stuff. >> Yeah. And then >> I think we just do like >> like like a standard silt fence detail. And like if like that's what I'm saying like if we're going to be planting in numerous spots if we do put a sill fences you
have to be like kind of >> like as you're filled as you're planting like our discretion >> well if we're doing go in before the fill >> correct that's I'm saying like some areas we may not really bring much fill in maybe just enough for the actual
plants but right >> those really washed out areas we would probably bring in quite a bit of time >> and like we talked before you know leaf litter over the top of everything to keep the erosion down a little bit or you know just stuff that's already existing there. Yeah, we're not going to
bring in like >> mulch or mulch it up. >> Okay. So, will you contact open space and ask them to take on this project? So then the other thing is do we want to
>> on the um mountain Laurel it >> well we would know whether or not we can get it or not. They said that they could bring it in from another contractor too. So I should just get confirmation. Is that what we want to do is Mountain Laurel? And >> that's our indigenous to that area.
>> And also just the way that it grows and branches out. No one's going to be wanting to walk through Mountain Laurel. Even Jed said that we have the acidic soils out there. >> Yeah. And that's what's there predominantly is the mountain. So mountain white pine red oak. >> Yeah.
>> Is what we want. >> Yeah. Yes. >> Diane, >> if your subcommittee to your to your commission is not able to do that RDA,
I would volunteer as Marathon task force. >> Yeah. >> Need to do that. If that doesn't work out for you, >> maybe conjunction. Yeah, that would be great. >> Yeah. Unified.
Did I hear it? >> Yeah, >> that's good. Thank you. >> Okay. Anything else on that subject? >> Okay, we'll move on to discussion with John Gard about seven south long air
road erosion issue. You have anything new to report there? >> No, I assume he's working diligently on the notice of intent. >> All right. The item that's tabled we'll keep on the table discussion of 485 Lake View Drive,
Connecticut. That's the that's the retaining wall that was put up which we believe it was put up in Massachusetts. I did bring it up at the uh conservation commission meeting at Sfield this last
week and told them that our attorney had sent a letter eight weeks ago and no response and our attorney said we were looking for the possibility of developing a process how to handle these going forward. Mhm.
>> And they they did take the action that they didn't call the attorney the next day and ask them to do something. >> Okay. All right. >> Dead tree on North Pond Conservation Property. >> I make a motion to remove that from the
agenda. >> Well, it hasn't happened yet. >> Yeah, but we voted on it. We've discussed it. It's >> been there for 15 years. >> I don't want to move it. I don't want to look at it anymore. >> Until the trees remove. >> Don't look at it.
>> So, it has to stay there till they cut it. >> Huh? >> Did they cut it yet? >> It has to It doesn't have to stay on the agenda until they cut it, but um No, they haven't cut it yet. We've gotten two uh quotes from different tree
services. And then another tree service um just told us last week that they don't want the job. It's for whatever reason, they don't want the job. So, we have two quotes and I think I'm going to have to kick that off to select board. Are you guys going to choose who does
the work >> the service? >> Don't know that one does. >> Well, >> I don't know. >> Is it coming out of conservations funds? >> No, from my understanding that it was going to come off of a a line item from you guys. >> Oh, yeah.
>> That's what >> Nicole was working that. >> Okay. So you don't have to take the lowest bidder, right? If you don't want >> DPW, doesn't don't they use Northern Tree Service? Aren't they already vetted? And >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> And they they're one of the quarters, >> right? >> Okay. >> Okay. All right. Now, we do have an official motion on the table to remove us from the agenda. Can't ignore that motion. double neighbor,
>> but it's not has a second. >> It has to happen. It has to happen before it doesn't happen. >> Are you going to make a motion for everything to agenda? >> We should all these things under old business. Get rid of them until they come back on.
>> That way we don't have to discuss them every time with nothing's happened. Nothing's happened. Nothing's happened. >> We're spending more time discussing about discussing it than we are. That's a fair thing. >> Do we have a second on the motion?
>> Somebody >> I do not hear a second. Motion has failed. Such a hang. >> I tried. >> Okay. Report from the Sville Conservation Commission meeting. There were two other items. Uh
I brought up the fact that uh we're doing a a project to drain to dredge to Canal Brook and I recommended that uh one of their committee members joins the team and I did assign it to somebody. So
I took that as a positive and they also said this is a new proposal. It hasn't come officially before them yet, but it's for 365 Holiday Drive. They tear down and rebuild
a larger house. It's an 8,500 square foot lot. Septic is 25 ft from the lake. So, that won't be coming up for Okay.
updated northbond conservation responsibilities of concoming a reminder out here on this one. Create an open file of NOIs and RDAs for both paper and electronic. Just a reminder,
conservation coordinator report. Anything to report? Yeah, we do have a little of something and I'm I'm wondering if I um I'm going to ask you guys if we can do something on the conservation property. Um I'm going to share my screen
in a moment. So this is um North Pond Road right here and it comes over and then this is our conservation property right here. You can kind of see an old road that goes through here >> towards um North Longard.
>> Used to be the access. >> Yeah. Um so what's been happening recently is that people are have been utilizing this to park their cars, park their boat, put a dumpster. Um, I've contacted
the person who I, you know, who's doing it and they since removed everything, but I'm worried it's going to keep on happening. Um, I went by there today and I kind of looked through the property and I saw that there were already some
big cement blocks sort of pushed into the property from probably years ago from blocking that access road. >> I feel like they're like on south along south long. >> There might be. Yeah. That used to be a road that went through there. So, they cut the concrete blocks up. >> Someone was getting cranky and started
blocking the road. >> The owner of the property said, "We don't I don't want you driving through my property anymore." >> So, I'm wondering if we can I'm wondering if we can utilize those um big blocks and sort of just block off the area, >> not necessarily for foot traffic, but
for anybody who wants to put their personal property or rental property on conservation land. So, you proposing moving them closer to the road? >> Yeah. You know what? I have um >> you got a satellite picture. >> Let it ride for a year instead of making
them >> or or my only suggestion else is what if we were to plant something like more trees. We're talking about planting in the spring. What if we planted something there so to stare at concrete blocks?
Like I get we want to keep them off, but if they have to drive by and look at like these ugly cinder bucks, it's kind of they might not like that either. Not saying that we don't need to keep them off, but could we just plant stuff there? >> We could. >> Should we have a sign up there that says
no, you know, no dumping property. >> Ownership of a house changes. The guy knows he's already been told. But if we planted some stuff to vegetate now and it lets things grow, then you know,
>> I don't know. That's just me thinking out loud. >> And if they continue to do it, you know who it is. You call the police on them. If they they're trespassing on their clearing, is that it? >> Yeah. This is this clearing right here. >> I just think planting would look better, but that's just
>> it would, but the blocks are already there. >> I know. Ideally, I think the block should be red some >> and I think it would be relatively easy for DPW to get those blocks and move them closer to the road. >> Well, temporarily anyway.
>> Um, and that way I won't have to deal with constantly. >> Yeah. >> You know, monitoring it. >> You're saying like looking at a bunch of old crappy blocks for the next hundred years when it's not like the but maybe you put them there. Maybe
plant some stuff behind it. Then when that grows up, then we can put all the blocks out. >> That's a good idea. >> Temporarily something to prevent people from throwing the >> trash and parking. >> That's a good block, then take the blocks out. >> And maybe we just nicely tell them like,
"Hey, we're we're replanting this area. We're going to leave the blocks there temporarily, and then once it's vegetated enough, >> put it on them to call us to pull the blocks out so we don't have to put it on the list." So, these are >> the blocks that I'm Well, >> the blocks that I'm
>> Those are the blocks. >> Yeah, >> they're already there. >> The street. >> Yeah. I figured we could probably have DPW just pull a couple closer to the streets just to block um >> not foot traffic. >> Foot traffic, but you know, people
>> cars because it is >> scattered all over the place. What's going on? Why were they Why were they put there? Um, I think well Kevin had mentioned that it was probably just or you had mentioned >> it was disputed like 20 years ago. There was a big cranky match going on over
there. You can't come in. You can't drive here. You can't drive there. >> That used to be the only access to North Pine before they did the culdeac there. When they put the culdeac and the owner of the property said you're going to have to go through the culdeac and block that off. >> Now we own it. They owned it. But
northeast >> there's no more coming from the road. >> But you can there's blocks like that on north south longard also. You can see them from probably like that same road you're >> the same both.
>> Probably good to leave those there for >> you just moving them like 20. >> Yeah. I'm just thinking about having them drag them >> this way. >> Yeah. Towards us. >> It is pretty open there too. So like it would take quite a long time on the other side of the dirt.
>> Yeah. >> Need a motion for that or is that just something we can >> agree on? No, >> I think we can just agree on that. >> Yeah, we just agree on it. >> Anything other on from the coordinator?
You sent out a memo that the fine when you been paid? >> Yes. So the fine for Dunkin Donuts has been paid. >> Yay. Any gift cards or something? >> I don't know. They paid the clerk's office. >> Anybody have anything else under other
matters I'd like to bring up? >> We're going to hold off on the uh conservation restriction endorsement for Canary Road. >> Um, >> did everybody get it? Sabrina just >> Yeah, I just sent I sent the new one out
today. the one that was sent out last week, I found so many problems with it, there was no way that that was going to get endorsed. I wouldn't think. But the Sabrina did looked a lot much better. It's got a lot of loose ends in it. So maybe it should wait till the next
meeting till >> Okay. >> the next meeting and the CPC meetings on the 19th. >> Yeah. I didn't get a chance to read read it but did didn't you suggest would be
that they not want to go APR is >> that would be the simplest thing the farming area I guess when it got the deed got transferred right there what was it the >> there's an easement >> that goes through >> it's no longer there so they'd have to
reestablish the easement before they'd be able to do 200 feet of frontage on the road why couldn't they just go through the 200t of frontage that's on the you're going to use the proposal for parking. >> Yeah. >> Parking area. >> Well, there's a wetland, >> huh? >> So, you go P. So, that 200 I can bring
up the map. The 200 foot um frontage is like sort of like a little field >> that was on the plan. >> I don't with that having back acryer road. >> Yeah.
That would have been the preferred >> that the APR said, "Oh yeah, it's great except we need to have access to it." And of course, anybody needs to have access to it, you know, whether it's recreational or agricultural. I think that's for the expos.
>> Was it because it So, the only thing I know about the property is through the woods who they the ones that farmed it. >> So, is there two brothers or something like that? Is that what you're talking about? And then the access that they've used,
the other brother or owner owns that access. Is that why we're saying there's no access to the one that they want? >> Lambboas. >> Yeah. So there's there's so the two brothers. So I'm there's one this parcel right here which is since been um purchased by Chris and then the other
brother down here. They both own those properties. And the father's property is somewhere. Is it this one? >> So, which one do they want to put the
>> Which one do they want to farmland? Is >> there was an easement I think that went through here. >> This is um a different parcel. Went through here and then over this bridge right here. >> Okay. So this bridge I think is
technically on um 64 Tannery, but what the issue is as far as access is the reason why they're using that easement is because there's wetlands here. >> Um >> so and that's the one the property that they want to >> this is yeah this is the prop 64 cany.
>> Yeah. save it with a, you know, with it being an APR or in farmland, you know, there's exceptions to the rules for that. And it looks like it'd have to go over a river one way or the other, even with an easement. So,
I still think APR isn't cleanest the best and best use of the property, but if it does have access to the rail trail, >> I don't know how you could do that with all the wetlands in between the rail
trail and the and you need to have some kind of land trust involved and so for what's I mean the other thing is what value would it have Would this for hiking? >> Yeah. So, the thought is to have some um
parking over here and uh is some type of wetland crossing strong enough for farm equipment, but also have it be um a walking and bike path coming along up here. >> Wetland crossing for farm equipment. Like, can't we just use that for API?
>> Yeah, that's what I was saying. We could, but then I mean this is this is icing on the cake is to have additional access and parking for the rail trail as it abuts it. >> Hiking and farming don't necessarily go.
>> I can only imagine that having a bunch of bad farmers people walking to >> we've had that happen. That's what south >> putting our horses out there and rampling up the crops and >> I would make a motion to table this to the next meeting because it
>> was the owner not he doesn't want the to do the APR he what's he I don't get it >> was the easement that like was kind of put the brakes on that um >> if you're going to make him crossing anyway so that you do have access >> the APR they would go there you know how
that works Kevin they go there they appraise the property they appraise >> the fair market value and then the A value and then you get >> and they don't charge you if you decide not to go with the APR they don't even charge you for that so you'd have that under its belt >> and then the town would get what 10% of
whatever the APR value would be so the town would get matching you know donor shares which is what we like with CPC funding >> that's have matching monies come in >> I mean the the fields in the back how would they be maintained or who would be maintaining them >> or would they be maintained Yeah,
there's nobody there's nobody designated there who would who would be maintaining. >> So, this is one other thing and I'm not saying either way, but one thing that I've ran into a little bit this spring was the town of Graanby. They own a bunch of agricultural properties that they're renting out now
>> and it turned into a big problem because they leased it out to the highest bidder >> and then and now they were spraying pesticides. Then there was neighbors that complained about the pesticides because they were growing tobacco on town owned property and it turned this big huge ordeal in town of Gramby. So
the only thing that I would suggest is does a town really want to start owning a or agricultural >> agricultural he but like you said who's maintain that? What are you gonna do? Where is that? >> He still he could still own the
property. Him and the neighbor could split the property. They could get the agricultural value for it. So that take a big chunk of money and he could keep it in farmland which is what we want wanted to see. >> Really? That's what you want to see. And then then you have somebody else. >> The last email I sent to him was to
encourage him to go with the APR, but I don't know. >> I don't know what his thoughts are at this point. >> He made a motion to table this. >> Well, he did make a motion, but it's not on the agenda. So I don't know if we >> Oh, wow. Thank you. >> Oh, it did get on the agenda.
just discuss talking in the wind here. >> You don't have to table it. >> You have to table anything. >> Pretty left tabled. So next time when it's on the agenda. >> Remember this conversation. >> Good. >> Anything else? Anybody's got hearing?
None. I'll take a motion. >> Make a motion. >> I'll second by second by Kevin. Good. I am Ianfully closing the meeting. Look for a copy of it.
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