Good evening. Uh we'll open up the meeting on July 7th for the Southwork Conservation Commission. It's an inerson and a hybrid meeting on Zoom. Anybody's recording, they need to notify us to get permission.
And it's open by pivot call both here. here. Jerry Patri. Okay. So, we do have a quorum and we also have Deina Pervation coordinator.
Coordinator. Thank you. Okay. Quick update on minutes. Uh Chris is going to do the minutes for us at this meeting. There have been interviews. Huh? Going to try. We're going to try, aren't they? Appreciate that.
Thank you, Chris. Sure. Uh there have been interviews, so maybe our next meeting we may have a subscribe, but if we don't, Jerry, you're up next. Okay. Lovely. Nice. So, the first item on tonight's agenda
is request for determination of applicability 86 Point Grove Road. The proposed project is to replace an existing deck with a 100 foot of Lake Condo. So you have the amended um
agenda. Yes, it's in your folder. Your folder. Open up the blue folder. It will be on the left. Okay. And so there's continuation for the notice of intent that start at that start at 75. My apologies
on vacation. So it wasn't posted on. Okay. At 7:05. Yeah. We have we have the minutes here. can't officially open the public hearing until 7:05. Would you look the minutes over?
You get to the you have to Bad skill. This could be the same. I'm all set. You're all set. Anybody got any changes they'd like to make? Okay, we'll take a
motion to approve the minutes as is. I'll second that. Roll call vote. I, Miss Pad, I got I read. So, we have a unanimous vote.
Okay. Now, to also mention public comments. Is there anybody in the audience that would like to make any public comments? Anybody online who would like to make public comments? Okay. I do have a question. Um Ryan Nelson has
a um I guess an update with 13 road and I wasn't sure if we should talk about it during public comment or other matters. You said it would be up to you to discuss that.
I think it should be under other matters. Okay. So, we'll go back now to we have the notice of intent NOI 292043019 Silvergrass Lane continue. The project
is for the construction of a single family dwelling with associated site improvements occurring within the 200 foot riverfront area of Kellogg. Being here to speak for the petitioner. Hello everyone. Ryan Nelson from Arloc
Associates for the record. How's everyone doing tonight? Hi Ryan. Good. Okay. So um since the last meeting we had a site visit out on site. Not sure if you guys are able to or have the plan in front of you. Uh screen sharing. Yep,
now I got it now. Okay. So, a couple minor revisions or uh additions to the plan. The house um and all the proposed site grading is remains the same as last time. However, at the site visit, we observed there's an area of disturbance beyond the limit of work
and beyond the property line. It's actually onto the open space property within Riverfront. This hatched area here over to the west. So, we're going to be restoring that. So, all the uh any stockpile or fill in that area is going to be removed back down to native grade
and that's going to be lommed and seated with a conservation seed mix. Then that area is to be left to revert, you know, naturally without maintenance. Um, we had fixed there was an erroneous uh configuration of the property line on
the former plan. That's been fixed. Um, it's consistent with the definitive subdivision plan and the building setback line per mass DP comments. Uh, it was on there before. We just made it more bold so we conformed all the setbacks and we did update the
riverfront area table per mass DP comments. Um, we have the total lot area of lot 18, 6,201 square ft. Uh, you're allowed 10% or 5,000 square ft of the lot, whichever is greater. So, in this
case, 10% is only 620 ft. So, 5,000 ft would be the greater disturbance that we're going for. And our proposed alteration is 4,943 ft within Riverfront. Uh so that's all the changes. Happy to
answer any questions. Something about monuments. When we complete the project, they're going to mark separated clearly from the right. It depends. So the riverfront area,
is that going to be lawn or a native mix as well? The front area within the subject property will be maintained as lawn. So if maintained as lawn, I mean the monument is essentially to
show where there's a limit of one. But if they're going within the riverfront, maybe monumentation along the open space, right? indicating, you know, this is open space so it doesn't become part of the lawn.
Yes. Yeah, I like that idea. That makes sense. Wasn't the first question the lot size where the triangle go is that's going to affect your storeage. The riverfront area of lot 18 has uh the
number up here on the table is correct to the correct property configuration. Remember the triangle question about like in one map it shows that triangle being there and in this it shows the triangle gone. That would change your riverfront calculation, wouldn't it? If the
triangle was supposed to be there. So the the triangle was always there in CAD in our calculation. For some reason uh the a line got cut across um when we went to plot the plan. So the numbers are are correct. So, the sketch was wrong, but the
numbers were included. Correct. Okay. When were you going to move the loom and do the receding? Um, my guess would be when they're back filling the foundation and getting the excess material out of the site.
Probably. Greg Hamlin, 143 South Longard Road, uh, will be doing that this week. So, they were supposed to start today. They didn't come today. So, I'm assuming they're going to be starting it tomorrow. No, foundation is already in. Yeah,
but it's outside the river. I think that's the idea because it's going to be level with the the line from here to here. You know, some monuments kind of define it so that
it doesn't get mowed anywhere else. something like folders or right only ask I mean if you don't say when you're going to do something it has a head on not getting done and then we can't go back and say well you were supposed to do it last week or last month or if we don't pick a date
there isn't a date so sooner than later is basically the answer that's usually not a problem doing monuments so the like do you want my issue with the monuments like I have always had is when you put a monument there with nothing. People just do whatever they
want. That That's why I kind of like the signs when we did the the NOIs for the wetlands. And I I mean, I'd be willing to put those up. I don't know if you'd like the same sign. You want it to say something different. That's I don't know if if I can alter and like make it do a custom
one. If I can, I can sit with you and see what you want it to say. I don't know if it makes a difference that it's open space on the other side or just I just didn't know if you wanted to stay open space or just like I think the one that we have says no dumping. You didn't want it to say conservation on it when
when we had them done. So it just says like no dumping, no mowing, but I think the signs work better. Yeah, you don't want them dumping as clippings either. Right. And I think that that's an issue that we were having and everything. So they just I like the signs better. We put them up signs. We put them up right
like we started to put them up right away instead of after. So um they're there through they will be there as soon as we put that silk fence up. Just know where we're putting it. And the homeowners are aware. Homeowners are aware.
That's it. That's good. Okay. Good with me. Good with everyone. I don't know. Yeah. People stay out of the sun. feel like I'm being interrogated. On the right, there's a a string of
beads. I can dodge it. It's fine. You know, the next one. You guys thinking of bond? Here we go. The usual standard bond stand. Yeah. Okay. 10
standard conditions. Anything else you'd like to see? I think you satisfied some of the questions we had last time. Right. Well, we can do a follow-up visit on this too after it's near completion. Yeah. The restoration,
right? I think you should. I mean by that time I'll have the signs up and everything. So there's no more questions. Anybody want to make a motion? I'll move to close the hearings.
We have a motion to close the hearing. All that second by Andy. Roll call vote. I miss I norm. Jerry I. Andy I unanous to close the hearing
on a motion on the project. I met you wanted to have a site visit before we had a definitive answer on it. Can we close this now? We do a follow-up site visit when it's completed. Yeah. Yeah. But we already went out now for the doctor. So we saw the post and we'll see the
post are gone. Yeah, we can approve this, right? Yeah. So, we want to make the motion. I'll make a motion to accept an NOI with our standard conditions and a $10,000 bond including
signage on the uh riverfront area. I'll second. Okay. Rich made the motion. Jerry made the second. Roll call vote. I I want I Jerry I Andy I unanimous vote and just to clarify when you say
riverfront area not the riverfront area on the lot or um on the the lot boundary well on the lot but on the riverfront boundary we don't want dist it's 200 feet right yeah
where do we want to not disturb beyond how far into the the one area on the lot we wanted to maintain as a lawn then it'll be just a boundary of the five of the property boundary. Okay.
I mean that seems to be the current map. Yeah. So could you repeat that just so that be the property boundary property boundary not the riverfront boundary. I thought that was the property boundary as far as the disturbance went. Yeah. That was a good clarification. This is
why it's tough to do the minutes and engage in the have this person. You should have secretary watched. Yep. Oh, yeah. Thanks.
Yeah. It's definitely approved now. I'll um draft this up and send it out to you guys, but I just wanted to get the signatures. Jerry second. Yeah. Yes. They know the first time. They know who
we're good to go. All right. Now we'll go back to the RDA that we started before and I'll read the public notice, the legal notice. The Sulfur Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under the
Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and the Sulfur Conservation Commission regulations and bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request for determination. The project location is 86 Point Grove Road,
Southwork, Mass, Map 114, parcel077. The applicant proposes to replace an existing deck with a 100 foot buffer within 100 foot buffer of Lake Congam. The meeting will be held July 7th by a
hybrid meeting at 700 p.m. at Southwork Town Hall and open the public hearing. Someone here for the petitioner. You like to come up forward? Glad to have you here. Much better chair.
Record your name and address, please. Sharon Jones, 86 point. Glenn Falsetti, 28 Summer Drive. Okay, you have in your package here the RDA
I can bring it up on here to figure out how to sh. So sketch that's in here. Is that the exact same size of the one you're replacing? Same size. Nobody. And I have pictures of what it looks
like right now. There's a family put the one that's in there in there and it's collapsing the same there. Yeah. My drawing is the same size, same shape thing dimensions. The only difference I'm going to do it
um basically is uh it's supported by wooden posts at the moment that are in not pier but like somebody sunk 6x6's or 4x sixes in the ground right on the edge of the water. Yeah. And that's what's holding this up right now. Yep. And I'm going to either leave them there
or take them out. I'm not sure yet. But I I want to use um techno posts. Have you ever heard of those? I'm going to use those. Okay. And the posts that are there were there before we even bought the house. So more than 15 years old.
Who knows how deep they go. Just just extra. It's just one photo. Two photos. I just made it for another photo. Other
questions? Adding all this rock in or is that existing? You know, I don't even know what's under there. But if if there's no rock under there, I'm going to add some stone. Yes. And some under the stone, I'll put some uh um landscaping plastic. Keep keep the
erosion down. Right. Right here on the edge of the water is there's a lot of big stones. You know, when I say big, I'm talking like this as somebody has already lined the bank with. So, I'm not moving those. Right. But when I take the old deck out, if
there's no stone under here, I intend to put something there. Some stone or, you know, pea stone or something. You mean you're going to use like that landscape fabric that's porous fabric and put some stone on there and that'll keep the any erosion that goes under the deck
right now. The deck that's there is level with the ground. So I and I didn't take it apart so I don't know what's under there. But there's got to be enough room under there for some framing or they wouldn't be able to do what they did already. So I don't expect to if there is any
digging it'll be real minor I heard about these techno products are good they are good I down by the lake they work awesome because you don't have to dig a hole and pour some cement the guy just comes in with a machine and screws it down into the ground and when it reaches a certain amount of
uh pressure that'll support whatever weight you're gonna put on it. They because they figure all that out before they even come. You tell them what you're building and they they do all the math and then they figure it out and they come and put them in. Okay guys, less talking please.
Glenn, how many nails per piece of wood? discussion. There was 10 penny nails. You get in trouble here. Sorry. How long you think it will take you to do the project?
Uh, well, there's a lot of walking between the water and her driveway, so I'm I'm thinking um it might take me three days. Okay. I can't get a vehicle down near the water. So, right.
He's getting older. I just turned 35. There you go. You going to top attach the docks right to this right to the deck? Well, the docks come in and out, but they they are attachable. Well, the ones that are there now are I'm not sure how
they're attached. They must be attached somewhere. Yeah, they're they're we remove them. Take them out. Yeah. Every winter, right? Right. Yes. Take it from Yeah. I think they roll them out, but the deck stays in, right? I don't have a picture of those,
but they do attach. There's two of them. Yeah. For them to be And they have their stickers on them. They're supposed to go through the North Tel. It's right on the left hand. Yep. Oh, I know. He knows. You know, we know each other. I do.
Maybe you're old enough. You used to buy your fish bait there. Elmer. Elmer. I'll make a motion to accept the project. I'll second it. Okay. So, we have a motion by Chris, seconded by Jerry. Any further discussion or debate? Not. Roll call vote. Is it a negative?
I already negative determinations. Despair. I chiever I Jerry I Andy Ian 12. Thank you very much. Thank you. Welcome to the park. Thank
pull the trigger. Yeah, you know that. That's right. Next item on the agenda request. for the partial certificate of compliance lot five 5 Honeyberg Run
Greens of Southwick East NOI 292369 I think you did a site visit there hello I'm attorney Scott I represent Denise Fairclaus who I can see her name up there so I think she's with us have a seat Denise and her husband Bill are selling
the property and we're trying to clear title. That's the whole reason we're here. We came here, we came to the town initially looking for one certificate of compliance. Now it appears that we need two and I did
get your message from earlier today. That one of them apparently was voted on a couple of years ago but just didn't get recorded. Y um but that leaves one other. Yes. And I don't know if you got my email from about an hour and a half ago.
Okay. Um, so you emailed me saying the request was for the first one, the one that was actually voted on back in was it 22? I think you said. Yep. Okay. So, I don't think I need to talk
about that one anymore then, right? Or No, I'm just going to tell the guys it was already voted on and then they just need to vote again. for that one because there's a new group of people this group. Yes. Okay. There are some new people.
Okay. The second one then which we were not even aware of until recently until Ryan sent the uh NOI over on the NOI. Um and is that
a part of this record? Is it here? I think I can bring it up. So, there's a couple of monuments or which he said were boulders. Um, and I understand he is he still with us? Okay,
he is. Yes. All right. So, lot five, the NOI shows lot five and lot six and a portion of lot seven. We're concerned about lot five. Um, but I'm going to bring you over to lot
six where it says, and it's very small. Um, proposed limit of disturbance, markers, and then it says, uh, birdhouses, boulders, posts, etc.
on the NOI there are it appears to be three marks that um or markers that he listed. One is there. There's a boulder that's there and he has a photo of that that he
sent in. There's two others um that are not marked with boulders. One has a tree right in that spot and the other has a rock garden. Um, so it's our position that the that the
no disturbance zone is marked and we're asking for a uh a certificate of compliance. Let me just So why is it okay?
So that's that's the split between lot five on the left and lot six facing east. And that boulder is definitely there. So there's this boulder. And what tree are you talking about? Uh there's a um is it in this photo?
Denise, is that one of the uh It is one of the trees in the photo. This one right here. The willow. There's two willows right there. Yeah. One of them is um right where it shows the marker on the NOI.
So it could be this tree right here, which um I think it's a willow though. That the one closest to us is not a willow. Hi. Hi, it's Denise. Um yes, that was a willow that was was planted. There were never any rocks on our
property just on that property line between lot five and lot six. Okay. And then over to the right of where you're looking right now, where the uh the mode part ends, you can't see it from here. There's a
rock garden of sorts. Right about there. Yep. Some houses maybe. Okay. So the tree was supposed to indicate limit of lawn and it there's lawn being
maintained behind it. So it's not in compliance. Can I speak to that? Yes. So when we purchased the property, the lawn was put in for us. So we mow
where they put the lawn in with the hydro seed. So we've just maintained what they originally planted with hydro seed. We did not extend anything. And we asked for where where can we put that um
willow and we were they came out measured. We planted the willow where we were told. We've never had any rocks on our property nor did we remove anything. Um, so as far as the grass goes, yes, we do
maintain it, but we're maintaining what was originally planted by the developer or the builder. I don't know who it would fall under. Leves, I I don't know who it would fall under. And this order of conditions went in six
or seven months after they bought. This was recorded in February of 22. They bought in July of 21. So there was nothing on record and they had no notice of that buffer zone at that point. So at this point they can just stop
mowing there, right? Let it return to natural. Yeah, that would be my suggestion. I mean if you can just stop mowing there, everything else will just grow back in. Won't take long. So the actual line is between the boulder and that tree and then the rock
garden. Yeah. And then it curves right back. Curves kind of. Yeah, I've got that if you want to take a peek at it. The other rock is about here. Is that it? It's a rock garden sorts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, this is supposed to go like
that like a correct. Right. So, he's just going to leave this alone to come that let it grow in a little bit. Is that part of the next person's property or is that open? Yeah, we're looking at We were looking to close today, but the Yeah. being the guy next door
we're held up. Oh, I'm sorry. No, I didn't understand what you said there. My question is, is that part in question and part of the next guy's property or is that open space or something? No, that's part of Denise's property when next guy I thought you meant the next owner, which was supposed to happen
today, but sorry, I misunderstood. Is the dividing point. It's just about right on the line between lot five is mainly what you're looking at there and the picture that he's standing on six.
Yes. Okay. Right there. Yeah, that's the area right there. I see the curve. This lot also has a significant amount of lawn in the open space right here. I don't think so. and see it from aerial
photos if you want me to bring it up. Yeah, I walked out there the other day. I didn't notice that. Oops. I'm so used to typing YouTube. There I have my morning grooves. All right, online mapping. I got to get
my head on. Okay, let's go to five hunt. Maybe it right here. And then we put on base map. It's not 100% accurate, but
you can tell that right here is maintained long within open space. And can I can I speak to that? Sure. So that again because we know that our property is pretty close to the
fence around our pool. However, when they plotted out our grass, they extended it for some reason. So we've just been maintaining what they originally put in. We have not increased
nor did we want to increase our our um amount of mowing but um we are just maintaining what hydro seed and the builders put on the property. We have I mean it's all the same grass.
You can see that it's nothing different. Um it's it's all exactly the same thing. Yeah, it would would appear as though the builders put it in that way initially. Yes, the photos that just went by. It's also becoming very clear that all these
conditions aren't passed down from builder to buyer to next buyer to next buyer and then you show up and you can't close on a house, right? We we had no knowledge of this information until we tried to close on
our home. We're not even living in Massachusetts anymore at this point. We're in Maine. So, um, we weren't even aware of any of this until the 11th hour. It's not a unique situation.
Not a fun in the open space. Do you want me to bring it back up there? If you want. Yeah. I was just looking and shows you the rock garden is in the open space as well. And even the open space between the two properties.
Yeah, I didn't notice that. The the property below it there is open space between the two. That's it'll just being assumed is part of everybody's lawn. on. Yeah, I checked it out. That's a
And the space that's in between uh lot five and lot four, we mow one part of it and then the neighbor next to it mows up to our line. So, we just kind of keep that as
um a nice area of grass with no ticks and you name it. So, it's just that was space too. It's Yeah, a lot of open space areas do have little trails that go through them for easy access. I mean, as far as maintaining that, I
don't see I don't have a problem with it. Okay. The access. The access. Yeah. I'm just pointing out that like everybody's unaware that these things exist like just absorbing the other day before we got on this a lot of us didn't even know there was such a thing as conservation
commission. We got on here because somebody did something. I was fully aware there was a conservation. So my question is if we agreed to allow them to grow that lawn naturally, how do we enforce it so that
the new owner doesn't continue to mow it? Well, that's why I was saying that they should just not mow it anymore and it will return back to its original state. Is it possible to stake it out so the new owner realizes there should be the monumentation that
was asked for originally? Yeah. Back corner, but they didn't do anything down. Yeah, we talked about the curve monumentation but not the back side, right? Um, when you say curve, what do you mean? Uh, were it curves in the front there? He has older. No, no. Down toward the
front by the road. Yeah, those monuments, the uh the rocks, the rock garden and the tree. Those are those are the three monuments. Those are in the back. So here are the two trees that they were talking about. I think some are
here. And then this is the rock garden. Why doesn't that show a curve? Well, there's the difference between the wetlands, which is straight up in the fall. Yeah. And the open space was just to the left. So the monumentation that's there is for the wetlands.
There's no monumentation for the open space. So here's the same. Oh, I see. And it it's supposed to curve the Yeah, this is the 50 foot right here. Boundary line curves. Yeah, I got you. Great.
So, I think I mean I think if there was signage specifically saying like, you know, kind of like what they had over at to Silver Grass and also maybe signage about open space along the property line
that would be clear for the next owners and what they should and shouldn't do or what they shouldn't do, I guess. Right. Somebody want to make a motion put some signage in place. Will that mitigate problem? Yeah.
Is that a new order though or is that just modifying this condition? I don't think so because originally there should have been monumentation there. So this is just making sure that it's in place so that you are in compliance. I believe I guess it would be a slight
modification question. 143 South on air. Who's that second order in the name of it? Who who's the second order of conditions that you're talking about? Fiori realy holding both of them were in Fior's name. Yes.
It's um 2920394. Okay. I think this was one of the after the fact ones. This was an after the fact one where but the the rock and the trees were when we went there the trees were the 50ft
buffer. Well aware of it at that time. We had no signs. We weren't doing the signs and the fence they put a fence up on the property line. So their property was well marked out. um what they did behind that we have no
control over. Okay. So I guess what I would suggest if it is a new order then let a new order come. But what we're looking for is is that this order the existing one um to get a
certificate of compliance on this one so that we can go forward with the sale. Right. But we I think needs to become in compliance, right? So I think what we would be looking for is monumentation which is originally part of the agreement that was first
part of the plan. So that can be in compliance. Then signage right now could be a way to come in. Make it become compliant. Instead of putting borders, we could change that. I make it easier.
Instead of having boulders be brought out there, signage could be brought out. I understand what you're saying. I don't want to speak for the new owner to say, you know, what they want in our backyard. I I can't do that.
I don't I don't think necessarily it matters what they want. It's what is it like there is an order of conditions active on this property and this is a way for it to become in compliance. I mean it's just it is what it is.
Yeah. And you don't necessarily want a new order because that means you would file a new notice of intent and all that that you want to stick with this um and come in compliance with this and just move on. So what type of signage are you saying?
You mean they're just go ahead like how tall are they? But I where you put them like 3 feet tall and you can get them right online. Let me see if I can bring up the one from two silver grass. Um I kind of feel like three rocks in a
dump truck is like tomorrow morning someone can be there. Well, if you could, you know, that's rocks not going to move at that time. and they had trees being planted and it was a while ago and I forget who from
the conservation said yes they could put the tree there and because we have a boulder on the property line the the trees there were two trees that marked where they were and those were they allowed us to swap
the boulders out for the trees at that time because we were just we were doing we were we were not in compliance. We did all three lots at once. So, we would have just went with the boulders at the time, but they asked Denise and Bill asked for trees cuz they had trees planted, which
I think my computer's stuck. We can kind of see it. Um, I need to share, but he has these. Notice wetland area. So, that would be at the 50ft buffer. Um I guess in addition to the trees and
that one boulder to reinforce it. Um and then once these are posted, the lawn area is no longer able to be maintained. It's it is to reveate naturally. Um I guess also if the owner would want to
remove invasive species, they could. I think we have conversation. And then um I guess something similar along the property line saying like notice open space beyond this point or something like that. Um no alteration or maybe even
no dumping no clean. Oh that this sign is I guess more geared to wetland but something along the line of that. I'm sorry I can't blow this up right now. So, does the Denise, do you have a preference whether you want to put
boulders in there or you want to put signage? I honestly don't care. I want to do whatever is quickest so that closing can happen because I like I say, I'm in Maine. I'm not even in Massachusetts. I'm not I'm cleared out of that house.
May I May I make I just want to ask a question kind of a comment. Are are you is the board going to make all the other lots that have but open space put signs up because I understand I understand the
wetlands part of this one but that like this is the conf the original was not to put signs it was to put boulders for monumentation. No, I'm I'm only talking about the open space cuz there's nothing up against you. We don't have any signage or boulders on any open space and to to
it depends on the order of conditions for each property. I can't remember which they all were. No, I'm I'm not talking about order conditions or anything. Okay. I'm talking about when the lot but open space not not an order because you don't need a you don't need conditions. So
there there's no other lot in the development that abuts open space that we have done signage on. Let me show you what the open So So I'm wondering like it would almost be like making this house like the open space part of it. It' almost be like
making this lot stick out. We'd have to You know what I mean? Starting a precedence, right? So like Yeah, I get the I get the signage along the the wetlands part of it, but we can't start That's a lot of work, too. It's not that. It's there's other people
that have already lived and are abing open space and there's no signage on their lots. Like they know the property line. This is the property line. Okay. Yeah. Kind of like we're doing on on silver grass like thing. Hey, there should the developers are sending the letter out to
everybody. Stop mowing open space. Right. That's what that's what we've been asked to do. I I just think the signage I think the signage on the open space was that part of the order conditions to have monumentation for that only only on the end only on the on the
50 foot had nothing to do with open space and that's what so that part that we're asking for monumentation now was not on the original part the the for conditions where you're asking for it is that little it it cuts that back corner off
that where the where you have the boulder the tree and it goes back to that rock garden. So it's just that one corner. That's the only part that abuts the wetlands. So this is this is the wetland. And then if you come towards me across the property line, that's all open space, right? And that's where their fences for the
pool is right there. So me I mean I'm just asking a question. Yeah. You are we setting a precedence by having signage on open space? Well, I might have had a misunderstanding. I thought there's supposed to be monumentation there already. No. So that's only on the one only on the 50. And
that's why I wanted to ask the question. Okay. Okay. Well, that's a good question. I thought you cleared something up. Sometimes I would I thought we had talked a little bit about it's the homeowners association's responsibility to make sure that the
that the open space is preserved in a more natural state than manicured lawn. So, they have signs up around the mailboxes right now. And I know that he has put I I'm pretty shocked. I can't say I know because he had an emergency with this. I don't know if the letters went out yet into each mailbox, but it
is posted at the mailboxes, right, to stop mowing open space. I wonder if it would suffice just having stakes there just to show the property line. Um, like the other I mean, it's I think it's a moot point if it was not in the original order
conditions. He's just here to satisfy the original order conditions. That's correct. So, I don't think, you know, we're not going to start something new. Um, okay. Yeah, he's just concerned about the little triangle. So that so the wetland area it has been
monumented just bugs being mode. Yeah. Who monitors the open space? You do Jerry's it's conservation. No,
but it's the homeowners. Yeah. Is it the HOA that takes care of that? Yeah, it's up to them. It's going it's going to be the HOA that is going to be responsible for it, but it's we have we have the cons the conservation commission has the conservation restriction and they need
to monitor it. You guys need to monitor it. It's not really our prerogative to it's been signed over to the uh homeowners association. Okay. But what we do is if it wasn't on the order of conditions, then I guess it's not No, this is not on the order of conditions. Okay.
Not our business, right? Okay. So, it sounds like we just didn't make the decision on the 50ft buffer zone for the wetlands. For the wetlands. Okay. Yeah. Do we want signage there? So, the new owner knows they can't. They have monumentation and I'm sure the
attorney's going to let them know you need to stop when they have the three monuments there now. The rock garden, the tree, and the rock. Yep. That should suffice. Yeah, the signs are temporary. They ain't going to last 10 years. So, I don't see the point in sticking in the ground. It's probably good to go. I would say
I guarantee you it's going to be maintained as long. It will. Like there's no sign up. It will. Yeah. I mean, that's But I think if there is signs put up then, you know, they know. That's my opinion. I've seen it. All right. Like there's none being maintained
behind the boulders right next door. then at least because they don't know any better. Then can we get some signs up there to signify that? So I guess the statement is could you please put up the signs as similar to in that small area? I I would think one,
right? Yeah, I would think so. That's just a corner over behind the willow tree where no one can see it would be great. I can't tell you what the new owner is going to do, how long it will stay there. Right. Right. Right. just forever.
The worst. Exactly. Oh, they're made out of plastic. But Sabrina does have a point. They will mow it. They will call it theirs. Yeah. If I move into a place and that, you know, I'm just going to keep mowing. I'm not
I'm just going to assume it's my lawn. Gez, it's always been this way. Yeah. Yeah. That's how things are. So, maybe just to at least start out. It's natural that people do that. You have a spare sign you can lend them and get this done. Perfect. There you go. I mean, two grand. I give you a sign
tomorrow. I'll make a motion to accept the placement of the sign and let this gentleman close on the property instead of monuments. Instead of Well, he's got monuments. The monuments are there. Yeah, they're there. You're going to you're going to you're going to approve the certificate of
compliance before the sign is put up. Well, well, it would be contingent upon depends if you have faith they're going to mow the grass or not. Can I give you my word and send you a picture tomorrow? Yeah, I think we can trust I'm going to zip tie it to the tree. The
one right in the middle. Thank you. If you zip tie it though, you're going to strangle the tree once it grows. I don't want to put I don't want to What do you want me to put? Put it like on this like the same like you want want a post there. Yeah. All right.
Cuz once that tree starts growing, you're going to strangle it and you're going to You want it in front or behind the post the tree cuz it's a post now? I would say next to it. You want it right next to it? Right next to it. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you, Greg. Andy made a motion. Andy made a motion. I'll second the motion. All right. Any further discussion? Is there none? Roll call vote. I Chris P. I norm. Jerry I. Andy I.
Unanimous vote to approve the cert partial certificate of compliance. This is a regular. This is certificate of compliance for 29203.4. Okay. And you also need to vote to release a $10,000 bond. We'll make a motion to release a $10,000
bond. I'll second the motion to release the $10,000. We have a motion. Roll call vote. I I Jerry I Andy I unanimous vote to release the bond and I don't have anything to sign for
this. So it will need to be signed on another day. Can I just ask question about timing then on these things? Hello. Like I said, I don't have
anything to sign. So, usually the guys sign the next meeting, but if they want to, they can swing by the office on the 21st. I can have this written up tomorrow. Let's get it done.
Come in and sign it. I can come in tomorrow. I got a couple appointments tomorrow. Oh, I have them. All we need is four signatures. What time can we come in? Uh between 9 and 12. So we can swing by and
for both. That's for one. I have the 0369. So we can sign that one tonight. Yes, you can. Okay. One second. Okay. And then beyond that, how long before they can close on the house? I have no idea.
Okay. That's beyond me. Has to be recorded, right? It would have to be recorded. Who's recording it? Me. Yep. Perfect. Um, so I can pick it up tomorrow afternoon is what you're saying. Um, what day is it today? Day seven.
Do Wednesday. Wednesday. So that's on 0394. on the other one which you haven't covered yet tonight I understand but um but I don't even think I have to stay
for that one right okay would that be Wednesday as well do you think let's do both on Wednesday all right thank you everyone sure thanks for coming in thank you thank thank you everyone I appreciate
everything did appreciate it thank you I'll send you a triple 49. So they're bumpable. Unfortunately, it becomes a hassle for a lot of people. This is I just kind of common place believe it or not. It's like it's conversation for another
guy. But even with the bond, you think people would be anxious. Yeah. Get a bond release. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Again, next item on the agenda, request for partial certificate of compliance, lot
4, 8, Noble Steed Crossing, NOI 2920280. You skipped over the first one, which is request for partial certificate of compliance lot 5, the Greens of ESA like 292 0369.
So, this is we talked about it just now. Um, but it wasn't voted on. So, back in 2022 in the meeting minutes, um, it was voted on by everyone. I have no record of it ever being written up. I don't see
a record of it being recorded at the registry of deeds. So, I just want you guys to um, take another vote. Take another vote. And then this is lot six. This is the same lot we were talking about. Five. It's lot five by Honeybird uh run.
It just happened to be the same number. Okay. So, it's NOI 2920369. Yep. Lot five. We have a motion for approval. Make a motion to approve. Made the second. Roll call vote. I ch I
Jerry I Andy I. Unanimous vote. You have something for us to sign? I do. I gave it to Met. Okay. It's on its way. All right. I didn't think you're going to release 5 Honey Bird from the newer order, so I
didn't even bother writing it up. I understand. Will you be in Wednesday at 9 as well? I'm certainly think so. I don't think I have it on. I'll call you then another signature for somebody.
We need that. We're just worried about where to get toilet papers from what in 202 I know it makes no sense. It was um March, you know, a few months before I came on. Yeah.
So you guys were kind of like Jean was doing a lot, you know. Yeah, that's true. What else? Oh, okay. So, now we'll take item number three, request for partial
certificate of compliance, lot 48, Noble Street Crossing, NOI 29280. I don't know if we have anybody here for this. Um, but I can show Did you go out there? I did. Oh, I can show you pictures as
soon as I figure out how to work my computer. I think I put it under Okay. So, are you do you guys know where this is located? Like the position? Oh, yeah. I know my right.
Right here is the 2B crossing. Okay. Um, this is the storm water infrastructure which is uh partially on their property. Um, and I guess Jesse had worked on it because it looks different from the last time that I've seen it. It looks better.
Um, some stone. Yep, we got some stone right here. My computer is not happy. There we go. Um, so I assume the property line is somewhere where my mouse is and then they have a storm
water easement. Um, right here is, from what I saw, freshly seated. Um, I can only imagine that the grass has already started to grow. That's the, um, only undisturbed site that I guess I would be concerned
about cuz Jesse is still working on the infrastructure here. Um, and I think this is after significant rainfall, too. And it doesn't look like this is being eroded. So, not sure if you guys want to release it. Two, three days ago.
Two, three days ago, I think. Um, I did the site visit on the second last last Wednesday. Um, I asked Randy Brown if he felt
comfortable with us releasing this from the, you know, subdivision order of conditions and he said that, you know, they have a bond for the storm water. Um, and the only thing he said that we should be really concerned about is that one lot where the replication is
supposed to happen, which which makes sense. Uh there was originally silk fence or straw waddles here last year and may have been removed without permission. Um this is more
storm water right here but looks okay to me. So is that your recommendation? Can I be neutral? And the only thing is that we like we
like to have the the lot stabilized and you know there's this dirt area right here. It is seated. It'll grow. Um but I think this is also the case of I
think they're selling the house and they need to close. This is just more That first picture with the outfall with the rock. The first picture, the very first picture you showed had the show
this one. Uh, go the next where it showed the pipe coming out in the rock. Next one. That one. That's all downgrade where the rock ends. It's downgrade from there, isn't it? So, wouldn't that just wash out if there's a significant amount of water jetting out of that pipe? Isn't it just
going to erode the sand on the left and suck the rock away? possibly, but honestly, I don't know if that is actually part of their mod. Is there a dissipator in there or not? You know, a couple of months ago,
somebody was in there with a little cap, you know, and it was moving all that rip wrap around. I think they were reinforcing the outlets, you know, whatever they were doing, but it's hard to tell like who's doing that. And then, you know, three truck loads of dirt got rubbleed and
everybody was excited. They thought they were going to start building the road. Um, that didn't happen, obviously. But, you know, so the house on the right or the left, depending on which way you're looking at it, finished their their lawn, basically their their
property. They finished it up with some top soil and stuff and put a fence up and did all that. And then these guys had some guys doing some paving work. a stack of papers. Um, and they're trying to sell that and and then
this morning actually or yesterday there was another load of top soil and kind of spilling it out and doing whatever they're doing. So I I don't know. It's hard to tell like who's doing what exactly for what purpose,
but it's pretty busy over there. So you said way, huh? You said there's a stack of pavers behind this house. So you're talking about this saver that's actually put down now. So that Yeah. Where is it being put? So the paving is done. That was two guys
doing that. Um but yeah, this this I mean that's supposed to be part of a swale maybe and the storm water and because there's the creek down below that where the road is going to go someday with a bridge.
Yep. Hopefully. Right. Yes. Yeah. And then you know if you follow that further down Yeah. is where you put the other storm water drainage. Yep. So they come together at some point further down. But it's hard to say like what's in
relation to what at this point. Somebody just fixing up their backyard or does it have any relation to the storm water? What exactly is going on? It's hard to tell. I think those pavers are the property owner. Yeah. Yeah. And they they've paid that.
So that stack of papavers is now gone and it's part of a patio. The patio that's already existing. So it was there. They took it apart and they redid it. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Different. And this is the redoing part. Okay. Yeah.
So if that one was a little bit, you would be happier. Kind of like what Matt had said, like it's kind of hard to just to decipher like who's doing what. This may be part of the storm water that Jesse's working
on right here because there's a storm water ement on here. The rest of the lawn is stable. It's grown in. It's been grown in for about like a year. So,
yeah. It's almost seems like they're trying to polish up these these two properties that are right and left side of this road and kind of stabilize that and finish it for whatever reason now. And then maybe the next phase is going
to be the road coming in. But I don't know who's doing what? You know what I mean? Mhm. Are they private people coming in and just putting in like somebody's yard together or is it salt marsh coming in and doing work because promise them that he's going to
I have no clue. Don't know. you know, well, it doesn't help that the No, nobody's here from the investor. Yeah, it was um title it until I Jake.
He was the requesttor. I think he's the the attorney. I'd say just releasing it. I mean, I mean, it's if something happens though, like Jackson's gonna have to clean it up because that's a storm water right there,
right? And we the town has a bond on that, I believe. Right. So, we have a a It's protected. It's protected. Okay. We have a motion to table. Do we have a second? I'll second it.
What's the motion? to table the discussion to answer questions so we can find out what's going Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Okay. Any further discussion on the motion? He did. I second it. You second it. Yeah. Okay. Roll call vote.
I Jerry I. Andy I. Unanimous vote to table. Moving on to order of conditions extension request. The Greens East 2920369. Hello everyone. Ryan Nelson again from
Arloc Associates. So I believe we had sent a letter request for this. Trying to find it here. We did. Um Norm, you have it. And there's sticky note on it that says, "Read it. Read the letter."
This is the exception, right? Yes, I found it. If you want me to read it. Yeah, go ahead and read it. All right. On behalf of the applicant, Fury Realy Holdings LLC, Arc Associates is requesting a three-year extension under the approved order of
conditions, Mass D file 292-0369 issued by South KOMO on June 18th, 2019. Said order of conditions was recorded under Hampton County Register deeds in book 22721, page 251.
The order was originally set to expire on June 18th, 2022 based on the 462-day COVID extension and the acts of 2024. The new expiration date for the order is September 23rd, 2025. The applicant
respectfully requests an extension of the above reference order to allow further time to complete the remaining site improvements. That one and he just showed this verify the extensions. Okay. Read this again.
No, you got it. Say showing you that you have it. How long have an extension does he want? Three years. Sounds good to me. Is there any reason to not? No, they need to get it done.
A motion. I'll make a motion to accept the extension the order of conditions for three years. Three years. The Mets has made the second. Any further discussion? Roll call vote. I
I nor I Jerry I. Andy I extended for three years. Okay. Thank you. It's number three on the agenda. That's the No.
Are you using the old agenda? No. Oh, it's number four. Sorry. It's number four. Okay. Okay. Number five, tall 10 tall pines 2920429. Wolf star date 62725.
Greg Hamlin nominated for erosion control monitor. Yep. This pre-construction site visit with Greg. So that's our um I gave him an okay to start work. I guess you guys just need to accept his
nomination. True. Okay. So, do we have a motion to accept Greg Hamlin as the erosion control monitor? Motion. Oh, you Sorry. Did you make the motion? No, I seconded.
I made the motion. Oh, you made it. I thought you asked it. Somebody I did. Okay. All right. Sorry. Roll call vote. Chris Par. Cherry. Sandy unanimous voting. Item number six, emergency certification
25 Castle Street. Stop sharing. Huh? We stopped sharing thing isn't coming up. Oh.
Um, what was it? Castle 25 Castle. What? So, um, I guess funny story, 25 Castle Street. They paid for sewer connection of what
was it 25 years ago. They thought they were on sewer this whole time. It turns out they weren't. Septic failed. they needed, you know, an emergency, you know, pumping and also an emergency hookup to the sewer. So that is what's
happening right now. Okay. And so I someone just Okay. It's a 40t around 40 feet from um North Pond. I'll make a motion to accept the emergency certification from 25 Castle
Street. I'll second that. Okay. Roll call vote. Any questions first? Okay. Roll call vote. I cher I Jerry I Andy I. Unanimous vote. Item number seven
3151 and 55 North Young Longyard Road put into agricultural covenant by a Mass Department of Agricultural Resources Farm Viability Enhancement Program. You guys have a copy of it was sent to
us in the mail. There's nothing really for us to do just for announcement. Okay. Yes. So, this is another way that um the state of Massachusetts can I guess temporarily preserve
agricultural lands. It's good for 10 years. I think they said heard the April 3rd 2035. Okay. So, we don't need to take any motions on that. All right. Now, we'll move to discussion
of 485 Lake View Drive, Connecticut. And I'll give you a brief history of that and then we'll invite the contractor up. This was a project approved by the Sfield Conservation Commission in January. I
reported on it here basically saying that the retaining wall near the lake was approved. I had my list of questions was satisfactory responded u and there was to be no activity on the
lake. Okay. And that was reflected in the minutes. Okay. So, as I take my normal tours around the lake, I've been kind of looking for this this fence, the retaining wall to
show up, and it did show up on the 30th of of of June. and it looked like it was near the water and the silt fence was in the water which
was not supposed to happen. So, a little bit more history. I went back on the fourth because I couldn't tell from my first trip whether or not the water was touching retaining. So I went back a second time
on the fourth and part of the silk fence had been destroyed by wave action. So I could see that the water was touching retaining wall.
Now you need to know a little bit of history on the property line. In this case the state line is normally the high water mark for the year.
And the nor normal uh lominal is 224 ft 4 in 224 2244 and the lake is now the lowest as it's been all year and the high point for the
year was 6 in higher. So this both mean that the default container has to be in the state of Massachusetts. Okay. Does not have a permit to do anything in Massachusetts. Further information,
I sent a note to Colin Mole, the first selectman of Sfield, reviewing my observations, and telling him that I felt the Sfield Conservation Commission did everything
they were supposed to do and that it looks like the contractor/homeowner made some changes to the plan and didn't communicate it. and he's sent me a response today that
he is sending all my information because I had added the the minutes to the meeting. I added the my my questions that were asked and in the minutes it says no activity in the lake. Okay. And he was going to send it to their
chairman and vice chair and get back to me on what what they're going to do about it. Okay. And with that, you got the background and now invite Ricky up to the table here. Ricky Dor, nice to meet you guys. Address for the record, please, sir.
My address where I live or 48 Hopyard Road, Stafford, Connecticut. Can you sign in? Yes. Yep. So, um, currently the wall is complete and it is
not touching the wall. I have pictures to show you. So that's part of the wall and it's touching the neighbor's wall. The neighbor's wall actually is sticking out farther than the wall we built. You can see it kind of jut out the old
wall. So that's one corner of it. This is down the other side towards the tree and the embankment. You can kind of see how far in it goes into the land in Sfield. And there's beach in front of
the wall. It's still it's within the annual high water line, right? So the annual high water line's probably going to be dry for the majority of the year. Um so even though I mean even though it's not
touching the water necessarily right now, um it's still within still within uh Massachusetts and South Lake jurisdiction. And I apologize for the sil fence. I didn't know that I had to pull a permit
to do that. We just needed room to work. And uh like I said, the wall is in is not in the water. So um the sil fence would have been too close to the wall for us, my guys, to go down there and lay block. So we had to
put it out a little farther. And we wanted to protect the water from sill. What is also the How far does the wall go down into the ground there? Um, it goes down a few inches. Not much. That might have some water undermining
on that. We're going to put a modified rip wrap in front of the wall to protect it. So that's again in Massachusetts. It's not in the water though because it's on the beach. But right now the high water mark is where the line of Massachusetts is. Doesn't matter where the water is right
now cuz the water is low. Okay. six inches. Even though we just had that rain event the other day a few inches. Yeah, that doesn't make a difference. Let's see. There's a elevation level that you go by. Okay. So, what do I got to do to put the
rip wrap to avoid the undermining of the wall? I don't know. Move the wall back. I guess the wall back. We can't move the wall back. Then you would have to file with us. I mean at this point possibly would stay for chapter 91 because it's like it's within a resource
area. This is the picture from 630. Yep. This is correct. And uh before the wall was even up, it was just a eroded bank and there was constant sand and stuff going into the water all the time. Every time there's a rain event, it
would wash out. So, this is an improvement to stop erosion and sediment from coming into the lake. So, all we're at I pulled the sill fence because the walls in and we backfilled it. All I'm asking is that we you allow us to uh lay
a small layer of rock in front of it. Not we're not going out that far. 6 in just in front of it to arm the bank. The problem with that part of the pond is that the ice in the winter it it moves pretty quickly. So, we need to do
something to stop that. We use large stone below the wall with um what is it called? Um erosion mat and we wrapped it to stop rock from coming out. The only last piece of the puzzle is to put that four
to 10 inch modified rip wrap. Just place it in front of it to stop the water that possibly could splash up from like a boat going by and causing a wake or a storm just to stop the any kind of erosion that could possibly occur. Was that in your plan to build
the uh rip? The rip wrap was uh No, that's an afterthought. So, the thing is there you're also filling in the flood plate. Okay. Okay. By putting that there, which is also illegal. So even though I mean there's rock already
there from naturally occurring rock there. I mean there's rock there now, right? But if you're adding more material to the flood plane, you're filling in the flood plane. Okay. There's flood plane and land underwater. Yeah. The picture up there now is from the 4th of July.
Yeah. And there's beach on the other side of that sense. It did get knocked over because people were ripping by their jet skis and their boats and everything. I wasn't there that day, but but I want to reiterate the water is 6 in lower now than it was
earlier this year. And the and the average high water mark is 8 in higher than normal. Not 6 in, 8 in. I'm not sure. I I have no idea what Sfield's going to do.
They think that it's not a big deal, but that should row. Is that it? Pardon? You got the interlocking stone pre-cast, right? Yeah. And he's got two rows
just on the corners. It's below 48 inches, but just on each corner sloped down and then it's graded. It's one row across the middle and then it's uh two rows high on either corner by only by three block just because it's
a lot higher over there. Then we regraded each side. Yeah. Yep. I mean this is a big improvement from what it was. There's constant sentiment going in the lake. So I mean I know that we shouldn't have put the sil fence in the water but I think the
wall is is a improvement versus what it was before that. Well, that may be, but it's in the state of Massachusetts and you don't have a permit for that. Okay. Polar walls in Connecticut though, at least that's my my opinion on that.
Not if it gets wet with water. Water catches it from a weight. Even if it doesn't get wet with water, the animal high water elevation, anything to do with water, the elevation of where it is. Those things are deficit ratio. It's
like what's happening on now since it's almost all done now. That's it's pretty much done. The walls done. They're in fact filing. The walls done and the stairs are in. It's just a matter of like I said all we'd have to do if it would be okay if
we just put a a layer of one rock with 4 in six they're four to six inches along the front of the wall just to help out with erosion. Other than that, it's good to go. Are you going to be responsible for like a certain amount of years for this? is
taking into the normal high water mark and the ice how it all the volcanic action along the shores that thing may get pushed quite a bit. Um we we did arm the back with a couple feet of stone behind it. So get it holded.
Yes. And each block weighs 20 uh the corners weigh 2500. The middle block weigh about 2200 lb each. Pretty. So they're heavy block. They're not like uh like a regular techno block, you know, and then you build a because the
neighbors wall next to it, like in my picture, they have like a regular tech block wall. That thing blew out, was falling apart. Yeah. You know, there's the block weigh like 30 lbs and they're not. So, the only potential problem would be the undermining coming from the
correct. That's why we would like to do the modified rift wrap in the front of it and just one layer just right in the front and we're not even going that high with it. Right. But then that rock won't move because it's large st larger stone than like a smaller um crush stone like a 3/4 you know you
can't use that in the water even inch and a quarter. So then the right side over there where you can see it's you know dug out obviously and it's all land over there on Sfield. We're going to use modified rip wrap
there to stabilize that embankment so it doesn't erode during a rain event. Normie said on the original plan that this wall was further back from the lake. That's correct. Why is it closer to lake now? It was not
the homeowner asked for it was not originally farther back. I mean, it was we are actually we moved it back farther than what me and the homeowner discussed originally because I said we can't be that close. So, I took the straight line from the neighbor's wall. The neighbor's wall is jutting out
farther than my wall. So, we're actually behind the neighbor's wall to the left and we're into the embankment. He wanted me to come all the way out. I said, "No, we're not doing that." So that's why it's uh six to eight feet in on that that side there you're seeing
and it's and it's at least 8 in to a foot on the other side where the homeowner where the neighbor's wall is that's failing. Well, that's the problem with putting things that close to the lake is they do fail because they do get undermined.
Even if you use rip wrap, if you're not going down deep into the ground, you're going to have undermining. I don't Yeah, I understand where you're coming from there, but um you put things
in place to help prevent that. So, that's why there's erosion blanket below it wrapped up into the wall. with larger stone, but there's plenty of walls like that, not even like that, that are right in the middle of water that gets splashed
up every day that I mean, the wood tie retaining wall was there before 1980. It failed, but there's like nothing. I mean, they didn't really they just threw up some wood ties. I mean, this is
more of a serious wall than that. So, I don't know if you wanted to look at the I brought the brochure the wall to get an idea of the walls all blocked into each other. Yeah, they look like a like a big Lego block. I don't see it.
There's there's little um round pieces on the top. Yeah. And then they the top pieces lock in. Yes. Yep. They're pretty stable. And then each and then there's a V channel in there filled with stone
and compacted. What do you want to have happen? Well, I I'd like to wait and see what this what the Sfield Conservation Commission is going to do.
But as far as I'm concerned, there should be no rip put in front of there and until we have a decision. If if Southfield's not going to take any action, then you we're going to we got to force him to get a chapter 91 license
from the state before any ripcraft goes in. That's my opinion. So if Sophie says I can put rip wrap in the front, then that's okay. No, it's not. They're not going to say that. They can't because they don't. Okay. What I'm what I'm wondering are
they going to tell you to move the wall? Yeah, I don't think so. It sounded like from emails from Keith that he was under the impression that the wall was not this close to the water. It was set further back and that the homeowner asked to be pushed out
further without speaking with the conservation commission in Southfield. Is that Did I get that Keith or No, he came and looked at it when I was there and I showed him the pins and the string line where we started the wall, Keith. Yes. But you told me on the phone that the
homeowner asked you to move it closer to the lake. We talked about that, but we didn't move it closer to lake. Okay, that's weird. Because if Homer I said Homer wanted me to move it closer to the lake and I said no because then we I'd be in even worse. It'd be bad. You know what I
mean? You can't do that. So I can't build a wall underwater. So I wasn't building the wall in the water the whole time. 6 in deeper. You would have done it underwater. Well, the there is at least 8 to 10 inches of
beach in front of the wall in that area. But what you're not comprehending it's not this distance. It's that distance. Right? If we put six more inches of water on top of that water between the water level and where your stone is where in that picture you see
in that picture right there two inches from the top of that water line. Yep. Where your rock starts cuz that's pretty flat that beach in front of that rock. No, no, no. Right. It's not It's not It's height.
It's not length that we're measuring here. If the water goes up 6 in, it's going to go into the land, but it does go a couple feet. You'd be surprised, right? It's all about height. So the rocks on the on the rocks all the
way to the right would be pretty much underwater if the water came up 6 in. Yeah. You just caught it at a low tide, right? The tide's out. Yeah. Till April. The tide is out until April, right? When
all the snow melts again. Yeah. So, we should probably see what Sfield Concom has to say. I think that we also need to say, Rick, you can't put anything else in in the water at this point. Just hang in and see what Well, I don't know how much how do we
get involved? We've made our points and the fact that you applied for a chapter 91 license from the state doesn't guarantee you they get one that you get one. What is a chapter 91 license? It's a specialized boat dock/retaining
wall permit given by the state from a law that was enacted in the 1800s that they revitalized in the '9s. Okay. That requires or allows people to register their own boat docks on a Massachusetts Great Pond which
compromised one of them. Yeah. So it's it's docks and seaw walls. Okay. Actually takes care of both. And there's criteria they and you'd be involved with, you know, the DP, you know, scrutinize it and look at it
and take into consideration the high water mark because they know where it is, too. you know, it's it's not always really easy to get. Sometimes easier than others, but normally it takes months to get. Mine took all summer and I'm just
putting a simple dock out. Yeah. And that was 30 years ago that that's an alternative, but want to, you know, get your hopes up on that one. So does he have to maintain the silk fence
to keep the wakes off the wall? Did you take the sil fence out? Yeah, because it was in the water. Okay, this is unfortunate. We'll put it back if you want up against the wall.
I don't think that's do anything. No, I mean don't bother. So you've done all the back fill. So you're basically done. Mhm. Except for the rip wrap. Yeah, that was I was going to do it tomorrow. Um and obviously if I had to
wait months I mean then Okay. You know, erosion could occur on the wall and I just don't want that to happen. So Well, that level will rise. Yeah. All right. Gonna happen. So, I would like to make a motion that we table
this, but we instruct Ricky that he cannot put the rip wrap in and until a later date that will be approved by either the state or this conservation commission. Rip wrap and or any other work on the
water side. Do you mean? Yeah. Well, we're not doing any other work on the water side. Well, there wouldn't be any other work on the water side but that rip wrap. So, I mean, how long do you think it's going to be? Because I just don't want it to Well, we're very interested to know what
Suffield is going to do with with their decision. Oh, okay. Is this something that we I don't think they can make a decision, Mark. Can they make a decision? I don't think so because it's our league. Well, if you allowed me to do the ripper app
now, well, what else would we do after that? Like let's just say you say go ahead and do it and then you come and inspect it and then what what do we do after that? What would have to happen? I don't think that we as a board can even allow it. It would have to go
through the state right other than NLI. Yeah, I think it would have to be state approved. That kind of goes against our rules. We're not really allowed to do that. They could wave it. I don't know if they would, but it's going to go to Mark. Is that the
idea? One mistake. Probably. Yeah. Right. This is going to go to Mark. I would think so. Do you have the original plans or do we have access to the original plans even to see what was proposed? Uh like have Jerrell on a picture of the
wall maybe, but here lake show locus or anything else far as you know distance from a certain point. Soffield Conservation Commission isn't as strict as we are on the detailed plans. Okay. The way it is. Okay.
I just have a picture of the wall, but there's no wall. I don't have like a distances. There's no scale on it or anything, right? No, just that's what they asked for. I mean, I'm like I said, I'm not I've never, you know, dealt with Massachusetts before. So,
but the the minutes of the meeting specifically say no work in the lake. So, this went to Southfield and Southfield said okay and gave him a go ahead. Yes. And then he didn't bring it to us. Yeah. Right. I get it.
And now it's faulty on our standards. So now it has to go and it's beyond our jurisdiction. So now it has to go to state. So, we're going to pass this on to Mark and then Mark is going to make a determination and then he lives with the consequences of whatever that is.
Correct. All right. That would seem So, is that a motion? Did you make a motion? How clear that the lake belongs to the state of Massachusetts? Correct. Yeah. And we just interpret the rules and help people get things done or not. Correct.
We can't change the rules. Right. It's not our late. We just have they just gave us like hey watch this for us right how would this go to Mark so this is kind of like out of our hands now yeah how do we is it through
one application I think that's Chrissy hops maybe you can ask Mark how to go about I think we should do that because if it's not going through us I don't think Mark is involved he's our circuit writer but I can ask him
yeah personally Is the chapter 91 g or is there any way to find out like what the lake is at now and what the elevation of the high water number is? I don't think so. The lake was measured this morning at 2244. And what's the number at the high water?
The highest the highest number this year is 6 in above that. So 22 410. Yeah. So if you take a laser and float it and get it, it's 6 in higher. That's where the water's going to go.
You know, you said it's that elevation. Shoot the shoot top of water right now closest to the wall. Then 6 in above 6 in 6 in above where the water is now. Right. From the current water table right now. If you get a red dot on the wall, it's
in Massachusetts. Right. Right. And it shouldn't be. Now, is that the high water mark 10 in 2410? That was the highest this year. That's the highest this year. What's the high water mark?
The average for the for the last since 2011 is is 8 in above normal. Okay. So 224.8 225. You adding that's a entire go
anyway. I didn't do that. I made a little What number What number is he obligated to this year's the 10year average?
I I'm not 100% sure whether it's the average high water mark and how many years back they look. I'm not sure of that. Okay. Right. But I know for the last 15 years it's 8 in above
what the lake is right now. So it might be two. So 8 in above where it is now to be safe. Yeah. Mhm. And definitely those rocks on the right are going to be underwater. You go up another 8 in. Just looking at the stones on the beach.
Add 8 in to that. So your permit was good in Sfield, but if it's 8 in you're in Massachusetts. Okay. So my motion was there no work be made in the water side of the wall.
All right. And we'll table it. We'll table it until we hear back from Safir. Fair enough. Mhm. Okay. Anybody want to second that? I'll second that. Okay, Andy second that. Any further discussion. Okay.
We are going to do some sort of a touching base with Mark as far as where to go with this. Yes. Okay. All right. We'll call vote. I cherry I Andy I Okay. Mark.
So we're going to bring this up at another meeting next month. Well, maybe the 21st depends how quickly we hear back from Sufffield. Okay. Do nothing more in the lake. Okay, we got it. No rip wrap. No rip wrap.
Okay. Yep. So, July 21st might be the first meeting that you have. That's our first meeting. That's our next meeting. Yeah. Sfield schedule is Oh, I forgot. I think you would have said that. I'd have to call Keith tomorrow and find
out what what they want to do. So, they're probably waiting to see what you guys are going to do. You know what I mean? Now, they got to figure out what they're going to do. So, I'll let I won't even know. I'll let these know what we decide. Yeah. No, I know that. But I'm saying uh
then they got to figure it out. So, it could be a couple weeks before they I don't know when they meet, you know. When is their next meeting? 21st. Pulse open. No. 21st. We don't know when there is so we don't not sure. Okay.
I think they take July off but I'm not sure. Oh wow. They can do a month of I make a motion to take July. July too late. Their agendas are a lot shorter than a lot. Okay. Okay. Thank you.
Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Okay. So, why don't we go out of order here now and let's go to other matters. Where's that? Was there anything else we have to do? Yes, there's there's
under all business. We got stuff. Yes, we do have some stuff. Okay, so we've got the request for partial certificate of compliance lot 18 19 Silverg Grass Lane Greens of Southwood East 9i
292 0369. Yep. Um can you stop sharing? I can come back. Oh, you don't hear that too often. Um,
so you using this as an outline and writing under them as you go. Yeah. So yeah, we've got requests for powerful certificate of compliance for lot which is 19. You guys just approved that um NOI here.
So I don't see why you wouldn't um release that lot. And also lot 15. These are held up because of some questions about storm rotting. Yeah. I'll make a motion to release or
grant partial period complaint for 189 silver lane. We have a second. Second. That is second. Roll call vote. I normous
vote 15. And now we got request for makes a motion to partial compliance for second. Roll call vote. I am I I unanimous vote.
Request for certificate of compliance and $10,000 bond release to Silverg Grass Lane 8 NOI 292044. Okay. This was the one that had um some grass clippings in the um buffer, the
inner 50 and some Christmas trees as well as wood pelts. They have since been removed and yeah um two bushes have been planted along the 50 foot. So in compliance look okay to you?
Yep. Okay. I'll move to accept that and release the bond and release the bond. Do we have a second? Second. Met has made the second roll call vote. I cher I
unanimous vote. Thank you very much. Thank you for help. I think that was a record for most things I had on there. Thank you guys. Thank you. Okay, now we're going to switch to other matters where we're going to take up
the issue on North Pond. Yep. 13 North Pond Road. You still on, Ryan? Still there. Still here. Still. Yep. Can you give us a synopsis of the
changes, please? Sure. Um, so as you probably all know, construction is underway out there and I've been uh in contact frequently with the site contractor uh Site West Inc. that's doing the work and some site uh
changes are necessary. The foremost being uh steel sheet piling as you know was installed on the downgradient side of the house for structural retaining purposes. Um, one of the changes that the applicant wants to make, previously
there was going to be crushed stone on the walk basement walkout level of the house. Um, they want to do a concrete patio. I know the commission had concerns about increased impervious area, but the house was actually built
with a roof overhang that extends beyond the footprint of the house over most of that deck. So, a lot of that surface area uh rainfall would be captured by the roof gutters and routed to the dry
wells. And we are proposing a filter strip of decorative landscaping stone between the edge of the concrete patio and the sheet piling to promote infiltration in place. So, we don't anticipate any runoff leaving the patio
area. Um, one of the other changes was on the downhill side of this steel sheet piling wall. Uh, we were going to have a slope that goes down to the waterfront
deck, but due to some structural feedback we were getting from some of the designers involved and from the company that installed the sheet piling, we want to keep embedment along the front face of that wall. We don't want to cut and expose
um any of the ballast, you know, kind of against the front of that wall. So instead, we're going to construct a small retaining wall right here on the uphill side of the deck at the waterfront so that there's a
relatively uh level plateau between the wall against the waterfront deck and the bottom face reveal of this sheet piling wall. Um so these would be pre-cast typical
concrete block walls. The path walkway is still staying the same. Still going to be a wood composite deck above grade built on peers. Um, this retaining on the downhill side of the walkway is
going to stay the same. Um, it's really just adding this segment of wall right here built into the slope. The last change is the house was built with a side entry door.
on uh this eastern face of the garage. Before we were just showing the land sloping away or down alongside the garage, which means that this doorway is now sitting up in the air above grade. So, they need to build some sort of
concrete or pre-cast block wall um so that this door entryway is level with the driveway and can get access to the driveway. Brian, just a quick question. Uh the retaining wall and the fill behind it to
level it with the uh Yep. the higher part. What elevation are you at there? I can see a lot of elevation lines now. Okay. Yeah. So the way Yeah. bottom face 239 and then the top of this
wall is 238.5. So six pitch across a 14 foot uh separation. I see it better yet again. I couldn't see it before, but Sabrina blew it up for me. I didn't blow it up. It got bigger. Ryan, he's doing the magic. Ryan, thank you for blowing it up for
me. No problem. So, originally, we had comp contemplated this design because it would be more stable versus a steep slope that we were showing before, but it a big cost for the applicant. So, we
opted not to do it. But now based on where the sheet piling got installed and some other factors, we think we have to do it now. So I think it would make the site more stable down below. It's just more expensive obviously. So didn't know if the commission was
comfortable with these changes as an amendment or how to go about it. Or does the garage door need an actual pad instead of just a post a deck up on you know, like uh Glenn Fals said he was
putting a little post on the ground and building a deck. Um so there's a driveway that's pretty close to it. There is an access easement for the other houses. Um and they just had longevity concerns. They'd rather
have a concrete masonry wall there versus wood if someone was to ever clip it with a vehicle. It's a pretty steep driveway. So, yeah, it is. It would happen in the winter time. Yep, it is. Yeah. Same for snow plowing roll off
purposes. How far to the left and right does that the um the regrading happened that you changed in front of the steel pierce that you put in the sheet metal? Yep. So the limit of work stays the
same. This is all already cleared. Uh it's about from you know this area right here to about here was going to be a linear slope going from the wall the sheet piling down to the deck at like a
2:1 slope. Anybody feel they need a site visit to further understand this? No. No. Okay, that was pretty clear. Yeah. Okay. The fact that they're taking the extra steps to stabilize it is was admirable.
And they're leaving the uh the wall in a little higher, which I like. Yeah. That's an improvement for sure. Okay. Now, what number is this on our agenda here? Other matter matters.
I'll make a motion to accept the alterations to the plan or amendments to the plan. I'll second that. Made the second. We'll call vote. M I par I ch I Jerry I. handy on it.
Thanks everyone. Appreciate it. That allows us going out there. Thanks Ryan. Can I get a hard copy of that? Yep. Thank you. You guys are nice. Have a good night. See you. Thank you. Okay.
So, now we're going to go back up to new business number nine. 623 Forest Road. Now I'm going to bring up a photo. Okay, this is the big project.
Didn't share it. Okay, it's the new house. Not the new house. No, share your share bill. There it is. Okay. So, I did my drive by here. You can see
there's a lot of lots taking place on this particular one at 623 Forest Road. But one thing I noticed is the silk fence had been removed. Whoa. I think they made a decision that once the retaining wall there by the water.
Yeah. How are they going to get that out of there? But the equipment that's Mike Mulligan. We talked about that on the boat the other day. It's going to stay there forever. It's going to become the furnace.
Well, that that big piece of equipment has gone up and down many many times. actually looks a little bar three different levels. Okay. So, I I sent this picture to Keith Morris and Stfield
and saying that, you know, as far as I was concerned, the last thing that should have been removed was the silk fence even though the retaining wall is there. If you notice over here on the right hand side, the retaining wall ends.
Okay. Now, as of today, viewing it with binoculars, because this is right across from my house, there's something black here now. So, I think what they did is they put the silt fence back in over here.
So, if And on the other side, you'll see they got a lot of lot of rip wrap in here. on the other side of the where the wall ends. Okay.
So, if you're satisfied with retaining uh silk fence over here on the right side, I guess I could live with it. But if this entire wall if this entire all this dirt came down
Oh, the sil fences are gonna stop that. That's pretty got bigger problems that house is going to come with it if that happens, right? I just don't understand where habitat is supposed to be when they do big projects like this, you know. Not in Connecticut.
Not in Connecticut. No. You know, we're not at a place yet where we could agree that all projects on the water need to
have both commission's approval. Sfield and Southwick are we? I I don't think we have a strong enough relationship yet. Yeah. I mean, it just makes sense. It makes sense because they're seem to
have a different gauge on what they approve and we're way above that. You wouldn't get that scooper anywhere on the Southwick side. Yeah. I mean, is there any way that we
could move in that direction with them that they can sort of say too close to the water, you also have to go by Southwick, you know, wouldn't that make sense? I think it's a longer term goal to expect them to turn this over
immediately. I can't see that happening. Well, I mean, they wouldn't turn it over completely. There was certain aspects of them could certain reach certain approval but then it also has to come to us because it's so close to the water. Yeah. And that's your protocol.
Well, now with the liaison I I I saw the plans of this and I reported on on this to us. Right. Right. Uh, and I I I think I said it was a risk, but they they had the the
head their their straw bales and the built fence was was pretty pretty substantial. Yeah. You know, I know. Well, I mean, living on the lake, going around in the boat year after year, you see projects like this all the time. It
just Yeah. Like, yeah. Well, we got the next picture is is similar. Yeah. To what frustrates us. Okay. They're gonna put like an elevator in right there. Or how do they get from the bottom to the top?
Well, it's going to be a gondola. They got all sorts of stone that's going to go in there. I think when they're done, you just bury it. Staircase. They just bury it there and take it apart and bury it. Maybe. I don't know. I mean, it's going to be gorgeous when it's done. You know, like I love the gondola idea.
The control is the control is a retainers. It's a hydraulic. You want the first floor or second floor? That's what he's saying. Yeah. So, if they put a self fence in over here on the right side, are you guys happy with this? Yes. Okay. Let's say
Okay. Okay. I'll communicate that to Keith to say if that's the fence with with with straw bales, we're we'll be happy. All right. Mhm. Okay. So, we'll stop that here.
And now we have another one. This is over on South Pond. This is for those that are aware, this is where the house burned down few years ago. That's across from my house. Huh? That's across from my house. Yeah.
I remember when it was burning. Yeah. This was all all uh vegetated until very recently. It's all stripped. Now it's all stripped. You probably can see it too. Oh well. Yeah. I was like one day I'm like that's
different. Yeah. Now again, Southfield doesn't feel it's important to enforce this and and and and the people don't feel they have to come to their conservation
commission to get it approved. Is it just the removal of vegetation or are they planning on project the house is well the remaining of the house is sold twice. Originally they
were going to people that owned it in the winter time were going to build that they sold it again because they bought a different house on the lake. Yeah, I think they the beach road. I think they bought that place on Beach Road. Oh, okay.
So, I don't know if there's anything we can do. You know, I sent this off to Keith, but he didn't he didn't respond to this one. I guess the only thing is monitor and if erosion gets in the lake, then we can do something. Right. Yeah.
Um, it's sandy over there. They should leave the vegetation until they're ready, but I don't know. Do do you want to send a message to the Southfield Conservation Commission? Do we want to send them a message to
we would prefer that these these projects get approved? Yeah. I mean, I think I don't think you're ever going to have the ability to approve it, but you can certainly relate the parameters that they like this guy, he was thinking 6
in. No, dude, it's 6 in. Yeah, right. This is what you got to work with. Sand goes in the lake, you're in violation. So, somehow you got to keep it over there. And he even said, you know, like I I deliberately did it further be back from the other wall. sounded like they wanted
them to match it, you know, and he said, "No, I can't do that." And so some due diligence on his behalf, but um I mean, I don't know like if maybe maybe we could get Mark to kind of talk with somebody higher than their
commission and and just have it come from the top kind of a thing to them to do better with us. considering the water is ours, you know, is it carelessness? I'm not sure that they just say, "Yeah, go ahead. Do projects like this," you
know, and the other one. Um, it's almost it's almost irresponsible. We've seen this kind of action a few times, right? Right on South Pond, actually. Yeah. where it's all the top soil has been taken out and
stripped down. Some even steeper than half. Oh, yeah. At the end of the lake. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, we tell our guys you have to do it by hand and, you know, don't bring heavy equipment to the shore and then the guy is sitting across the lake
watching that happen. Exactly. And he's like, "What the heck's going on over there?" You know, "Oh, that's Connecticut." It just doesn't seem to make sense, you know. Well, how about if I communicate to their commission that
we would like to see something more regimented in the future for these type of projects that they they request approval. You want me to write something? So, you say to them, I mean, I could put
something in writing. Um, and then maybe send it to you and you can take a look at it. All right. You know. Okay. All right. All right. Anything else on this one? Okay. Well, let's go back.
Oh, sorry. What do you want? Just to talk about 55 Foster. Okay. Okay. Review amended plan for 55 Foster Road, NOI 2920421, an addition of a gas line. So the addition of the gas line was all
would was within a little bit of work. So I just told Anatoli to go ahead and do it. That's it. That's all I got. Okay. Signature. Can you take one? Pass it down for Okay.
Yeah. Can I not just how many things you want me to do? Say yes. Okay. Back to old business. Update on the master plan prioritization for the open space committee and conservation commission. I think we did that last time. Yeah. And we can take that off to us. Gentry
North Pond. Any new information on that one? Okay. Report from the Suffield Conservation Commission meetings. Uh nothing new on the lake. for us to discuss there. Update on North Pond conservation
responsibilities for Com. Okay, Dennis isn't here to give us an update on the entrance ways. He was going to work with environmental uh
police on signs. We got another meeting on signs on Wednesday for the parking lot. Surveillance in process. In process.
We have a contract and we hope to install one soon there. Okay. Anything else on this list? Okay. The update on the U North Pond tours.
We've now done 21 tours, 44 violations. The leader is still littering with 15, but destruction of property has gone up to 12. All on the fences pulling off the
scenic trail. So now for sure on the police logs the police were called in all the neighbors called saying that people were taking coolers into the north pond and police went on site and
they were on the scenic trail and they kicked them out. So at least they they've been at least once. Okay. All right. Thanks. And on our other Open Conservation Commission projects,
I have the name of the individual on the Open Space Committee, and I'm going to contact him and see if he wants to start doing some assignments for us, particularly in North Pond. No update on Lily Drive. Have still
waiting for Nicole on that one. We don't have a clerk in the office right now, so we're not we're not doing anything on projects in there. We don't have a clerk in the office. Well, to organize the
You mean secretary? Yeah, secretary. Oh, Chris, hopefully we have one soon. Is there anything in the works for that? They've done interviews. Interviews. So, you talked to one of the candidates and you were pretty impressed. So, just
I'm just happy with anybody right now. Yeah. Okay. Possibly before they can be trained. Possibly before next meeting, Sabrina. Yeah. I doubt it. I really doubt that's going to happen, but you know. Okay. It is what it is.
It is what it is. All right. I I put this next thing off and I'm going to give you a reduced version of it if I can get it up because there it is. This master plan.
This is the Yeah. for making changes to the action items of the master plan. Now I'm going to show you one slide. Okay? And this is to say only that we've identified ways to transfer a lead action item from one
party to another. We've identified how to cancel a lead a lead action item. We've identified a process to how to change a lead action items. We've identified another process how to add a new lead action item. And I think we've
added six of them ourselves. Uh we've identified how we're going to handle unfunded lead action items. U basically we're going to keep it on the books for five years and then the select board decides whether we keep it open or not. Okay. And
and um we have a process for handling uh people that complain that uh the support actions are not legal. We've identified how to do that and how to remove a support action that you
don't feel belongs to you and then we're going to have revision control will be on the website but I won't go into the details on that but I can cross this off saying we discussed it. All right. Okay. Uh discussion on Japanese notweed. We'll
keep on here even though it's on an action item now on the Empic, but we'll we'll wait till Kevin's here and see if he's satisfied with that. Any other any conservation corner reports, which you haven't covered yet. I'm not sure if you guys are aware
tomorrow is Randy Brown's last day with the town of South. Okay. Anything in other matters? Um, last week a few of us went to seven
South Longard Road to look at the erosion at the Spurs easement. Does anybody want to talk about it and what they saw? Yes, we need to big hole in the ground. Very big hole. It's the same as what's going on behind
Gargon Terrace. What is that? Right across from Hudson Drive is Gargon Terrace. Huh. Okay. Great brook aren't feeds into great brook paths the same way.
Yeah. Yeah. Big hole. You can jump in. That's the uh what's behind Gargon Terrace into Great Brook right behind great. It's a lovely sand we got.
Do we do we have any kind of report from John Gddard on what he thinks can be done? He doesn't um know right now what can be done. He's thinking about it. Um Randy aside some
funds that still need to be approved but for this specific purpose for fiscal year 2023 or6 um but hopefully work they do figure out what the course is we'll have the funding we can get done.
There was talk about deming of FRA but also there's an area that um can be stabilized and that those the area I think most in question the side of the hill like
it's difficult to get equipment to that area I think that's the whole place um we have some good pictures that were taken not that I need to see them I'm thinking it's we need to enlighten the select for
a high risk area but as soon as we figure out what the process is to fix it, funding has to be found because otherwise this is going to fill up dam. Yeah.
The whole wall relax and those photos to then I'll have a lake in my backyard. It'll be fantastic. There you go. Put some fish in there. Yeah, you go. So just giving him a heads up on we've got potential ser.
Do you need photos, Sabrina? Photos if you want. You can send more. If you got them. I've got one. I don't need any of my mosquito bites. It's very mosquitoy over there. And lots of poison ivy. Mhm.
So that for they actually help pollinate mosquitoes. Mosquitoes. The males. Yeah, they they do some pollinating. Not as good as bees, but they definitely do some pollinating. Yeah, I looked them up because you know these pesky things like
mosquitoes and ticks. Ticks on the other absolutely nothing. Ticks are horrible. They're totally useless. They are. They just do nothing at all. They just suck. They justify dig into your skin. You know, kill moose or something. They
do that. No. How come they don't kill deer? Just moose. What do deer have that move? They have deer text. Maybe the deer aren't so noticeable like
what moose is. Yeah. Moose. Anything else to report on for other matters? Seeing none, I'll take a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second that.
Roll call vote. I jerry Andy. Unanimous vote. And we're going to close the meeting at 9:16 p.m. How about that? Am I