Seeing at 7 o'clock, they're going to call the October 20th Conservation Commission meeting to order. We're in town hall. This is a hybrid meeting, both online,
Zoom, and in person. Anybody's recording, they need to request that to get permission. First item is any public comments. Anybody in the room that would like to have any special comments for the the board?
I see none. Do we have any online? >> Uh hello. This is this is uh Chris Mastriani. Uh, I just lost my I just lost myself in the in the picture here, but uh I don't know if you had put it on your agenda, but I just wanted to give
you a quick briefing on the uh the 64 Tannery Road that we're at we're asking the uh conservation commission for a letter of support for for our petition before the uh cons uh
oh boy, Community Preservation Committee. So, I don't know if this is not the time for that. That's that's okay. But I I just wanted to uh pop in here and say that >> Chris, get a copy of email a copy of that to Sabrina can get it to all the
commissioners so they can they can see the application. >> Oh, he hasn't finished it yet. >> Oh, I can't do that then. >> So, he he wanted So, he also sent me an email and you guys have it. It's the first page I think in your packets.
>> Yep. >> Um he's looking for a letter of endorsement from the commission so it can be given to the um either Chris or to the community preservation committee for this anticipated >> right. We can't give a letter
endorsement until we see it and read it and endorse it. >> Okay. >> Right. >> All right. I I can get it. It won't be the final very final draft because I'm still waiting for some for for some documents, but I can get you that
tomorrow um to uh to look at. >> We might have some suggestions for you, too. So, get it in as soon as you can. >> I will. >> Okay. >> Chris, what is your deadline, Chris? >> November 1st. >> November 1st. Okay.
>> I'm waiting I'm waiting for uh the the appraisal. I'm meeting with the appraiser on Wednesday and then I'm uh I'm waiting for a couple other uh letters of support from the uh park and recck commission and from the uh Pioneer
Valley Planning Commission. So, uh that's that's basically what I'm waiting for. I have the the body and description and all that stuff all set. So, I'm just waiting for some supplementary uh information. Now, this Chris bought the property with
the intention of turning it over, selling it to the South of Land Trust. That was the plan, but the South of Land Trust doesn't have the capability or the funds to do that now. So, he's looking for plan B. Is that what we're calling it? >> Yeah, that's this is plan B. Plan C is
the, as you uh suggested, David, the I'm sorry, Dennis, the uh APR uh application with the state, and I'm I'm just starting to look into that. I spoke to uh Russ Fox and he's gonna he's going to help me with that. But uh
so all these things are kind of working in parallel. >> If you get the state to approve it, then the town would come up with C bring the CPC funds do the matching share from the town. That's the way that works, >> right?
>> Okay. >> What 10% >> 10% was 10%. Not still. Well, usually 10%. >> Last time we knew it was 10%. >> So, yeah, sooner the better. >> Okay, I I'll get the uh copy of the
application to Sabrina tomorrow. >> Very good. Thank you. Thank you, Chris. >> Okay. Thanks, guys. Uh I'm sorry about not being there in person. I don't like it when uh people zoom into the board of appeals meeting, but uh this couldn't
this couldn't be helped tonight. So, thanks a lot. I'll I'll get you that and uh hopefully we can get get this thing moving forward. >> Good night. >> Good night. >> Good night, Chris. Anybody else online that has any comments to
>> seeing none, we'll move to the next item on the agenda, which is our first public hearing, request for determination of applicability. a lead with the what the call was. The Southwood Conservation Commission will
hold a public hearing under Massachusetts Wetland Protection Act DLC 131 section 40 and the Southwood Conservation Commission regulations and bylaw chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request for determination. The project
location is 497 College Highway, Southwood Glass, map 087, parcel 007-0000. [Applause] The applicant proposes milling and repaving of the existing asphalt with portions of the work within the 200 foot
riverfront and 100 foot buffer of a wetland. The meeting will be held on October 20th by a v by a hybrid starting at 7 p.m. at the South Co town hall and on Zoom. We'll open up the hearing to the petitioner.
>> Hello everyone. For the record, Ryan Nelson from Arloc Associates. Um so as stated, this is the existing Dunkin Donuts on Route 10 202. Um here's the property here. Existing building is there. There is a stream located offsite
kind of to the north would be the northwest um with a bordering vegetated wetland adjacent to it. USGS mapping shows the stream as a dash line is intermittent but if you run a stream stats analysis the uh wershed is greater
than one square mile so it is perennial. Um, so we do have a 200 foot riverfront area boundary shown across a portion of the parcel and the 100 foot wetland buffer originating from that BVW also crosses a corner of the parcel in a
similar area. Um, so the vast majority 90 plus% of the properties located outside of the wetland uh jurisdiction, but they are looking to or have repaved uh within the existing parking lot. um
no new expansion uh within that area. There was some additional site improvements with a dumpster pad and some lighting and a new signage um but that's all located outside of Riverfront. So the work in Riverfront technically is an exempt act um under
section 1058 I believe six um for grandfathered activities. However, the portion that is also within the buffer zone is not exempt. So that would fall under the jurisdiction of the weapons protection act and your local bylaw. Um so that's really the the work
being proposed under the RDA is the the buffer zone work for that milling and repaving at that that corner there. >> Okay. So the only problem we have here is that they did the work without getting a permit. Correct. >> Right.
>> How did that happen? >> Uh I don't make those kind sorts of decisions. So not sure. I'm sure it was a timeline thing, but >> I think what what are we going to do in response to that? Uh I think there has to be some punitive action taken. I
mean, it appears to be a negative determination, but if people just it's not fair on the people that do actually apply in time and do the do the proper procedure to let them just slide by the some kind of
>> Is this something that was already in the works and they knew it and already and did it or was it something they realized after the fact that it was mil because it's been mil for a couple weeks? Like how long have you guys been working on this? Um, did I forget when I was out there like
few weeks ago, a month ago or so? I'm sure maybe they had a uh >> they were done with it at the last meeting that we had when I drove by. They were I was wondering why it wasn't on the agenda because they were halfway through by the time we had our >> That's why I'm asking like is it
something that they realized after they did it or do they know it before they did? >> No, they would have known before they ask. I think they knew most of the parcel was out or all the work was out. >> Um and then when we did our our survey, we found, oh no, it does clip a corner of the park.
>> And they said, okay, file an RDA, but seemed like >> decided to find a positive, >> right? >> Well, what he's saying is they didn't when they actually what if we decide tonight this is positive. What would we would have to
they'd have to come back with a notice of intent or they'd have to fight it. It' be something. But, >> you know, that's the problem with doing it after the fact with this. >> So, I think, you know, that looks obviously a negative determination, but
I think there's got to be some kind of fine involved with this. I don't know how we could not do that. I had a great due diligence, >> right? >> Is that something we're going to be consistent with considering the guy that dumped three loads of dirt? That's what we would do it so we would be consistent with it.
>> That was >> we've done it before. Um what was the one that uh we ended they actually ended up doing work for the parking lot at North Pond instead of paying the fine >> Jesse didn't salt marsh. So, you know, that would be consistent that if they
came back and said, "We want to donate money to the North Pond >> service kind of thing >> for the planting or something like that." You know, some kind of compensation, reparation or some kind of uh
not just letting it go, you know? I don't that's unfair on the other people that do it right and not have >> but the the applicant was aware that he was not supposed to move forward. I
spoke with him and also >> they were well aware of it. It's not up to us to try to figure out why they screwed up. But >> we we contacted them before the actual pavement um went in. They were aware they were that they weren't supposed to go into that corner, but they went to
that corner anyways. Um, so I feel like we should be doing a f I think it was when was it finished? On Friday. >> I haven't been by recently. >> Did they get any approval from the planning board? Any of the any of the boards? >> They got approval for the
reconfiguration of the parking lot, but they hadn't gotten approval for lights. if I'm right. I don't know, Ryan, if you know, I >> haven't been involved in that part. >> Um, and they have not put on put up the additional lights. I went by there
today, but uh according to our bylaw, um activities within I'm reading this, activities within the buffer zone which are expected not to alter an area subject to protection under the bylaw require filing a request for determination of applicability to allow
the commission to determine whether resource areas um alteration will occur. And I think that's to your point of >> we're supposed to be reviewing it and what if you know >> um maybe this was an opportunity to improve drainage over there but we
didn't have time to review the project. >> Um and with that we also have in our bylaw that no activity shall commence without receiving and complying the permit issued pursuant to this chapter. So I think we have the grounds to fine.
I drove by on Friday in the P. It looked like everything was finished over there. So, we give it Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. That's three days worth of fines because I do feel like it should be a negative determination, but that's just my opinion. Um, so that would be like a
$900 fine. >> That's >> if that's >> that should be a good slap on the wrist anyway, right? >> Let's have like three large copies. I did. >> That's ter box. Come on.
>> Right. It's not Duncan. >> So, we did visit the site. Sabrina and I did. And the the foreman of the crew said he was unaware that there was a buffer zone issue. >> So, they didn't even have the proper silk fences or anything.
>> Silk fences were >> But that's violation right there on top of everything else. So it could be more than what we're proposing. >> Well, when we did go over there, we asked them to put at least the sil fences up according to the to the plan that we're about to review. Um they're
compliant with that. They at least did that. And so fence are still up. They look good. Um but that we also, you know, told them on site not to move forward with it until we reviewed it um during this meeting. Um and they've
moved forward with it anyways. They hired a company to do it and everything >> knowing how hard it is to orchestrate everything that they got done in that short period of time. Yes, you can agree or disagree. This had to be planned four to six months in advance to get
carpenters, electricians, painters everybody to like attack right on schedule. >> That had to be that had to be >> was an afterthought apparently. it. Well, no. The point is they knew this. They knew they were going to renovate that a year in advance and they had it I mean they had to start four to six
months in advance to get all those folks to line up on the same day. You can't just call someone up and say, "Hey, come pave tomorrow." This doesn't work like that. And then get your electrician to show up, too. I mean, I don't know if you entertain a
motion to find it negative and to impose a fine for >> you have a recommendation for how much? >> You have a recommendation for how much of a fine? >> 900. >> Was there any relation to the wetland area because they didn't have a cell
fence or I mean >> it looked fine. It's >> fine. >> Yeah. Is mainly what it was was we told them not to do it and they did it. >> Mhm. No, right. I agree with that. I was going I was going with some additions. Yeah.
>> Over there. It didn't look like anything else. It looked okay. >> But that Yeah, this could have been an opportunity for us to do some improvements over in that one little corner >> and educate us about the uh riverfront act that it's exempt too. I mean that >> yes
>> was something we should have had in front of us originally, but sort of take Norm. I'll take that into a motion if you would. >> I'll make that into a motion. Find it negative and to um issue a $900
civil fine civil pen penalty. >> Do we have a second? >> I'll second. >> This is made. The second. Any further discussion? We'll call vote. >> I Chris P. Dennis I
>> norm I cherry I >> Andy I unanimous. >> Okay. Thank you everyone. Appreciate it. the next time >> like then if it's a slap on the wrist they did that knowing well they'd probably get a finding care because if
we had found it we' found it positive even if it wasn't and we did find it positive they would have to come back spend a lot more money or if Sabrina had issued a cease and desist order that would have stopped the whole project that would have cost them more than $900 their insurance
>> who is the actual We'll find the contractors the owner of the place. >> Yeah, we're going to find applicant >> and open a trust or a family trust or simple. >> Yeah, family limited partnership.
>> Okay. Okay. Next item on the agenda is an RDA for 24 veteran street and I'll read the the call of a meeting. The Self Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under Massachusetts wetland profession act GLC 131 section
40 on Self Conservation Commission regulations and bylaws chapter 182 and chapter 450 for request for determination. The project location is 24 Veteran Street, Southwork Mass, map 114, parcel 65. The applicant proposes
to remove 10 hemlocks infected with woolly agile >> adulter. Thank you very much. And to add two bedrooms to the block foundation on the existing house. >> That's wrong. It's not two bedrooms. I'm
expanding the bedrooms that exist. >> Okay. We finish we finish readings. The meeting will be held March 20th, 2025 via Harvard starting 7 p.m. in the South Town Hall and March.
>> So we'll open the public hearing to the petitioner. Your name and address for the record case. >> Richard Gralin, 24 Veteran Street, Southwork. >> So you're saying it should have said just the extension of two bedrooms. >> Yeah. What what's happening is that we're selling we're moving back to
Massachusetts and bedrooms are like a 9 by1 11 and I've got 23 feet to the side line and I'm going out 12 ft so it gives me 11 ft uh for a buffer and I think the
requirement was 10 ft for the buffer. Um and that'll give us enough room to at least put a you know couple closets in. Have you run this by planning board yet? >> Huh? >> You run this by >> No, I I went to because it's it's 51 ft
from the water. >> More curious about the word to the property line. I thought it was 15 ft, but you might be right that >> it's a 10 foot setback and I checked on that. >> All right. And I've got 11 ft and you know
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I checked I checked on the setback that I needed. Now the actual structure will be 51 ft from the the water line. Yes. From the lake, >> but the actual work itself is going to be within that 50 ft. >> Yes. And it's going to be block
foundation because I can't get uh or foundation because the septic system they'd have to go over my septic system. >> Septic stuff. >> Yeah. >> That's a long way to pump from from my from the parking lot to there is probably about a 100 feet.
>> Okay. And so it so we're going to go with block foundation and the rest of the house is block only we're going with cement block instead of cinder block >> take advantage to protect that 50 foot buffer. >> Yeah. >> What's the slope on that 50 one foot?
>> It's a it's got a a low in grade than then a level section and then it goes down again. The level section is about 10 feet. So, is that where any access you'll have to the building area would be like? >> Yeah, the the the 51 ft ends where the
slope where it starts sloping down. It slopes down for about uh probably 8 ft and then it goes to a flat level for about 10 ft and then it slopes down for the rest to the lake. >> Do you need that 51 ft of access or can it all above?
>> It's all coming from above. Yeah, it's all coming from there's no access. >> Oh, that was >> No, there's no access coming from from the lake up. >> It's all from the from the parking lot down. >> Anyone have or anything underneath? >> No. >> Okay. The sil fence or some erosion control and nothing will go on.
>> Nothing will go in there. Yeah. >> In fact, that's what I that's what I want to find out what I had to do with that. >> What about the flood zone, Sabrina? Is that is this going to is this in the flood zone? Is there >> Sounds like it's up a hill, right? >> It is. So we don't have to worry about that.
>> So this light blue I believe is the flood zone. Let me just double check the key down here. Yeah, the 1% annual chance flood hazard is this light blue. >> Must be where the break in the slope is. >> That see if I can zoom in more. And then his
um extension, we'll call it extension. Yeah. Um is located right around here. So it's all outside. Yep. So curious, Veteran Street, they recently put in sewer lines. You didn't get >> Never
even came down to us. >> They put sewers in. >> They stubbed it. They got it ready. >> Yeah, but they they haven't they haven't come to us yet to to say we're going to do it. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So no connections. >> I thought they tore up that whole
street. Remember? >> No, they got grant money to do that. Yeah, they they spit they widened the street too which is a great thing. >> And they stubbed it for sewer connections. >> Yeah, they didn't take that. >> I'm sure the people were notified that there was a sewer available on that
>> seemed like that would have been I lived in I lived in Florida from 2017 moving back up >> on the street and lateral. >> I was just curious why that's not all on sore by now. Well, the intention was
>> it should have been years ago. >> That was a recent project, >> decade ago, >> the veterans, five years ago >> when they >> added it. >> They widened it and stuffed it. >> Randy Brown was taking charge on that.
>> We want to see any plantings or anything. Is that >> So, where are the Abberes? The upperies are right same place where the extension's going to be from the house. Okay. >> Your neighbor side. >> Yes. The neighbor side.
>> And it goes from goes from here. >> And that's they're both the same. The upper body start here and end right here. Okay. And the the other one starts there and ends right there. So they're both in the same spot. And it I didn't
know how bad it was until the guy who I talked to at Pete who cuts down trees for my brother-in-law, he looked at says, "Oh, these are all infested." >> Are they ever bites or hemlocks? >> Hemlocks. >> Yeah. >> Go for the hemlocks.
>> And they uh they just It hasn't been cold enough for them to die in the winter. >> Yeah. >> But I before because I've got trees going all the way up here and I don't want the rest of them to get infected. Right. >> But which they're not affected yet. >> Yep.
>> My house right now. >> The guy that's taking them down said he's going to climb. >> It's going to be no no equipment. >> Could we replant something there? So >> there's a fence there. There's a fence on the other side of the of the
hemlocks. built right along where the hemlocks end when or I guess Pete owned the house before we agreed. He we we uh kind of both chipped in to put a fence up there
and I talked to Fina Blooms the property next to me who's only going to have a foot left over after any place. Well, there is because where where it meets the fence, there's all these huge rocks that were put in. >> And so the rocks are going to stay there
because I can't get them out. >> I'm going to leave probably about what I've got planned for that is to make shelving up there and put plants on it. So when I talked to the guy who's going to cut the trees down said I said I'd like them as level as possible all the
way down so I can at least and then I can decorate I can you know build something around the stumps but I don't want the stumps to go because if the stumps go then those rocks are going to go >> right you're going to lose everything >> and and that gives then that still gives me [Music]
five feet walkway down the lake on that side. >> Have you been out there Norm? I have not been out there >> change, >> which means I still have to mow there. >> Doesn't sound like there's a lot of options on this.
>> Sounds like the plantings are what we'd like to see replace those logs. >> Yeah. Well, they're planning on building like a a box. >> Yeah. >> And putting stuff on top >> so you don't have to take the roof. >> Exactly. think a good plan to me. Any other
questions? >> Um I don't think we can vote tonight because there's a technicality with the posting of the meeting. >> Yeah, the the meeting said the public hearing will be held on March 20th, not October 20th.
>> It's not even March yet. >> It's past March. March 2025. >> I noticed that. And I said, >> "What?" >> I know. I'm like, "This not March." >> What were you planning on getting started on this? >> Well, I was going to cut the trees before cuz I'm my wife broke a shoulder
and we're going back to Florida in the middle of December. So, I was going to try to get Pete out there to cut the trees before I leave. >> Yeah. >> Uh because I don't want them there in the springtime. >> Uh but the rest of it I wasn't going to do till next summer anyway. >> When's the next meeting? >> November 3rd.
>> November 3rd. would the the legal notice say March 20th >> or or >> that is the legal notice. Okay. That's why that's why I said I don't think we can vote tonight >> because it wasn't properly posted.
>> Okay. >> Um >> probably wouldn't be legal, >> right? That's Yeah, that's why I'm stopping it. Um, and I do believe if we I think we have enough time to make the November 3rd
meeting. Yeah, because there aren't any holidays. So, if we repost it this week, we'll be able to actually vote >> on it. I have to pay again. >> You will not have >> No, that's
town's mistake. It's just give an opportunity for any of your neighbors to come in and complain. >> Yeah. None of them are going to do anything ever. I've already spoken to them. >> In fact, they're she's glad it's coming down because the trees are all dead. >> Yeah. >> And fall down anyway.
>> From her side. It looks bad from her side. >> She's glad they're coming down. >> You can see they're all there, which is Yeah. >> Yes. >> Well, >> I mean, I don't think technically it was even open. Oh boy. Right.
>> That way the infestation you can keep it open. >> I don't think we we technically opened it because >> it wasn't um >> so we can't continue. >> There's moreformational. We just >> Yeah, this is going to like a preliminaryformational and then we'll
have to do >> the hearing hearing. >> Next one will be way quicker. >> Yeah, we know the background. >> Yeah. So, for the record, u because there was an error in the legal notice, we're not we couldn't legally open this
RDA, we will repost it. It's our error. >> We'll pick it up at our November 3rd meeting. >> Don't worry about that. >> Hey, it's life. >> That sounds good. It's life. If it can
happen, it will. Yeah. Okay. So, I'll be back on the third. It's >> okay. It happens. >> Thank you. >> At least I'll still be here. Be able to get the trees down. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's my bigger concern. >> I don't want them to come back in the
springtime and invest something else. >> Right. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Let's move to our next public hearing. >> I'll read the legal notice. The South Conservation Commission will hold a public hearing under Massachusetts
Wetland Protection Act GLC 131 section 40 and the Self Conservation Commission regulations and bylaw chapter 18 and chapter 450 for request for determination. Project location is 49
South Oneard Road South Mass 09 parcel 038. The applicant proposes to remove one dead tree that poses a safety hazard. This meeting will be held on October the 20th, 2025 via hybrid starting at 700
p.m. in the Southfield Town Hall and on Zoom. Okay, we can open this to the petitioner. >> That is going to be Steve. >> This is for the >> Can you Can you guys hear me?
>> We can hear you. Yep. >> My name is Stephen Southwick buildings and grounds supervisor. On behalf of the town of Southwick, I am submitting a WPA form one for the proposed removal of a hazardous tree
within the North Pond Conservation Area. It's a large white pine tree located within the 100 ft buffer zone of Lake Congam. Uh the tree is clearly dead. um and due to its proximity of the
neighboring residents um it's posing a significant safety concern. So the resident has reached out to have it to be removed. The proposed work involved involves cutting the tree to a height deemed safe
by a professional arborist, leaving the remaining snag in wood debris on site to provide wildlife habitat and to mimic excuse me uh the natural life cycle of the tree
while addressing the identified hazard. And then I don't know if you want to pull up a picture of the location, Sina. >> Yeah, I'm on it right now. >> Should be popping up. Is this the slide you >> Yep,
that's the one. So that's identifying the location and how close it is to the residential property, deeming it unsafe. And then I don't know if you want to pull up a photo of the tree as well. We could do that. >> There's the base of the tree.
>> Yeah. >> And then I Yep. This is me trying to get a picture of the entire tree. And then I think I have more. Yeah, that's a good one right there. Showing how close it is to the property.
>> Let me see if I can twirl that around. >> There. >> Yeah, probably one of them. Yes, >> there you go. So, I did manage to go out there with Ryan um Duncan of Ryan's Tree Service. He's the one that was in one of the
photos. Um I got a quote from him. And then I also got a quote from Northern Tree Service, which is at the end of this RDA packet. Um, Northern Tree Service
was a little cheaper. >> So, um, >> you don't have to get three quotes for that, right? It's because it's not >> over 10,000. >> Yeah. I don't think we have to. >> No, it's under procurement. It's lower. >> Yeah. >> Both have the same exact specifications
as far as >> Yeah. I basically explained to both of them and they understand that we want to keep that snag >> and who's paying for it. >> Normally Norm's paying for it.
>> Sign up for that one. >> That's why I stepped down from chair. This is expensive. >> Um I know last time I spoke to Nicole she said she would find um some funding for this. I'm still looking into the
conservation trust. Um I need to review a lot more um annual town reports. We're up to 86 >> decades that money's been sitting there. Right. >> So um we're up to 1986. If we don't
really find anything because we're looking around. Laura's been looking around for years. She can't find anything. Then we'll have to um just I think get approval by the select board somehow um so we can move it to a new account.
>> Have to go to the auditor might have to but I think whoever is paying for it probably should decide >> which service. Yeah, that that's understandable. But yeah, we're just basically reviewing. >> Yeah. Can that can that work be done and then that person get paid later so these
people don't have to worry about the tree crashing into their warehouse >> the people want to do the work for no money >> well I mean not for no money but >> well >> on credit until it gets >> essentially how it works anyways we can't really uh pay anything until we
have a service already done for >> us the service done before we can pay for anything >> thought I'd give it a shot but I would >> I would take This would be a negative, huh? Norm, do you think this is a negative interp? >> I believe it's a negative. >> Yeah, the application's very nicely done. Thank you.
>> We appreciate that. >> Good job, Steve. >> Yeah, no problem. Thank you. >> I'll make a motion. >> I'll make a motion to find the project negative. >> Second. >> Any further discussion? Hearing none. >> Kevin, I
Dennis I. >> Norm I. >> Jerry I. >> Andy I. unanimous vote >> finally. How many years? [Music] >> Okay, now we'll move on. >> Thank you very much for your patience.
>> Now we're going to move on to new business. One item on new business and that's an update >> on the discussion on Lily D. I put a new packet >> packet there. >> I had a long conversation with Mark
Dreane at town attorney and my notes are on page one and I think I'm I'm going to read this because I Willy Drive is not a paper school. Willy
Drive is a private way that is not not owned by the town unless someone can find where it was conveyed to the town. >> The original owner was HS Rainville who established Bungalow Heights in April of
1915 and in registry of deeds. The original road liy drive was laid out to be 25 ft wide. The specific area of contention is the space called the reservation.
And the map you have in your package shows the reservation which is right on the road. This is the area that shoreline that was to be used by all Bungalow Heights neighbors. The original plan show a structure of some kind perhaps a pavilion on a property with a
dock extending into the lake. Properties that are buttwilly drive and do not intersect with the reservation property could apply for Derelik Street process to take ownership of the property between their lot and the lake.
Properties that are buck lily drive and then touch the reservation property cannot use this derel street process to take ownership unless they can show the reservation property was conveyed to the owner of the property. The 1915 lots that applied to number
seven above which I just read are lots 84, 85 and 155. 1915 lots 83, 84, 81, and 82 were later combined and in today's environment are the properties of 129 Bung Bungalow
Street, parcel 48, current owners Terra Gorsnake. 1950 lots 155 and 156 were later combined and in today's environment are the property of 60 Lake Bond Street GSI parcel 59 owners
Robert and Helen Miller. Technically 109 Bungalow Street and 60 Lake Bon Street do not qualify for a dock, but the attorney says that the town could grant them. The other properties that own property
that have Willy Drive could be allowed to have the docks. Important to note that 129 Lake Avenue has docks on their property that still drive and also has docks on their property that they do not own, but they have an easement for that
property for a septic system. Point number 10. Contrary to a prior comment from Randy Brown, there are some storm drain structures in Old Drive. The town must be sure to have access to those as well as the looping of sewer lines and other possible future
projects. I pass this on to Nicole and I think it answers the questions that we had of whether we have the right to permit docks. The two in question. I would recommend
that we continue permitting them if they've had it in the past. >> So, what's the deal with the reservation property? People aren't allowed to use that or they are allowed to use it or there's no access to it or >> Well, there there is
there's questionable access to it. Was the road ever constructed as a road or was it just >> It was a >> It was constructed as a an actual road at one time. >> No, it was a pathway. It was on the drawing to have it to be an actual road. >> Mhm. Wouldn't that make it a paper road?
It was never constructed as a road. >> It was just private road. >> It's only on paper though. So it's a paper road. That's that's just a term that's used because it's only on paper. I think most people know the paper roads are long time >> because when you when you go by it I
mean we've all been by it in the boats. >> It doesn't look like there's even room for there to be a road between where some of the hill area is and the water line >> flat used to but >> that's changed so much with the >> moving of earth and everything.
>> I mean every everybody in the state has right to access the lake to walk around the lake. >> That's correct. So, I mean that's a new point, but the, you know, just looking at the way the road looks here, I can't see that that was actually ever >> created as a road.
>> So, are you saying that somebody could actually lay claim to that reservation property by the der road? >> Number seven says they cannot lay claim unless they can will show that it was conveyed to the owner of the property. So, the reservation is open. It is a
reservation for people to use. The other ones they can't. >> So if somebody wanted to take a boat and go out there and hang out, they they'd be able to do that >> because there's no access by land to get there. >> There's it's a good question on how much of the reservation area still exists
today. >> Right. >> We've had two major floods, one in the 30s, one in the 50s. Right. Right. >> Okay. >> And that shoreline has changed dramatically. matter. >> A lot of lily way is now a matter of a handful of feet rather than 25 ft. >> Right.
>> Okay. So, it could be that the reservation area is gone. >> But until someone does a full survey, we won't know. >> Okay. >> That's a good point. >> Number five says the reservation is an area at the shoreline that's to be used by all the residents of Bungalow
Heights. >> Might be underwater. >> Is what Norm's saying. Yeah, >> that's so the reservation is Bungalow Heights community. >> Yeah, it's the not Bungalow Heights part that people can claim as a derel, >> right?
>> The the reservation park they cannot claim unless they can show >> that their piece was the ownership was conveyed to them. >> So that's still in limbo as far as thatation area goes. >> Can you see that on Google Maps? That
little piece. >> You want me to bring it up? >> I don't know. I'm just wondering if it's visible. >> You actually you actually have Google Maps >> that's still in your package. >> That's still a new rendering. >> Well, I don't know when this one was
taken. >> Okay. >> But uh there a little bump there. A little bump there. >> Okay. But there's no dock on it. But that's the deal. People want to put one on there.
Yeah, it looks like it's same basically the same bunk that was there originally, right? >> I was I was told that the owners of 109 bungalow were in pursuant to um a
somehow acquiring that piece of property in front of Lily Drive and I guess the reservation. Um, but when I checked on the registry of deeds today, I didn't see anything different. So maybe they're in the process of trying to acquire that up to the
shoreline >> ownership would make it a lot easier. >> Yeah, >> it would. Yeah, >> sure would. And so I guess for any for anyone else that's abing Lily Drive or Lily Wag um
if they want to pursue >> owning the land through the derelict law. Um it's that's a private matter. It's not up to the town to do it. >> Right. But I I guess I would agree with Norm as far as the permitting. We
continue furing that say so too. >> Yeah, absolutely. >> Yep. >> We could resolve that tonight anyway, right? >> Yes. >> Yep. Who comes in with the request for a permit? >> But I've been telling people all along to straighten this out on their own because the town doesn't want to own it.
They don't want to be involved with it. >> So the first person that comes in and says, "Well, I want to permit it." We let them or >> a civil matter, right? If they >> Yeah. We wouldn't have any say in whether or not they can claim it. Right. Right. It's just what they
>> Well, their name would be on it. So, >> but right now there's only for two two >> they've been ongoing for how many >> trying to anticipate light >> but right now those two have been going there. So, I would assume that those be
the two that we permit. >> Yeah. >> For this coming year. >> Fair enough. Yeah. Thank you for all that work, Nor. >> It doesn't totally resolve 129 yet. >> Right. Right. >> Well, that we're getting closer.
>> They do have more information. >> 129 did come up at LMC and the owner of 129 was there. >> Oh, good. >> She is took the action to contact Chrissy at the state
>> possibly go after chapter 91 license. >> That would solve everything, wouldn't it? out of our hands. Be nice. >> That's good. All good news, Norman. >> I mean, it's been going on since we started the LP. Yeah. I mean, that's how long it's been. >> Yep. >> Yep.
>> Okay. Anything else on that? >> Nope. >> Okay. Old business discussion of the fall planting plan on North Pond Conservation Area. Branded over to >> Eric. Okay. some reason I
>> So your name is Eric, right? >> I did I did I did do some more calling today on the last meeting that I was at. We talked about some substitutes for Mount
Laurel. Um my hopes were to get mountain laurel for next year if we couldn't you know >> quarter and a half year. >> So the the the place in um South had the New England wetland plants they the seed isn't matured yet. So they don't even
know how much they would have for next year until a couple more weeks. >> And he said at the most they would probably be able to get is a couple of dozen plants what would be available. >> Good start. >> Right. >> Correct. if they're available. But there was also a place in Connecticut that that he also referred to that we could
get native mountain laurel, but I didn't pursue that yet because I wanted to see what everybody's opinion was tonight first and what we wanted to do as far as plants. The white pine and red oak, those are easy. That's not an issue. It's just what we are going to use. Do we want to use mountain or do we want to
substitute with something else and what we want to substitute with? So, I just kind of drew up a pick sketch so that everybody like this is like a rough draft just to see what we want to do. And um is there two there?
>> And then uh this is just the heavily eroded, you know, 100 by uh what was it like? Probably 8 foot wide. But um I have about four red oak and then 14 of the white pines. and 20. I put spice
bush there, but I really was hoping that we would probably use malamor, but we wouldn't know. So, I just put that in there unless there's something else we want to use. But I think the uh idea is to put plant it dense enough so people don't walk through either. The
recommended spacing that's probably a little tight and I think we could even plant it tighter than that if we wanted to. But >> that looks pretty tight to me. Yeah. Well, yeah, but like you know, it's just the plants are going to be small. So, it's going to take a couple of years for them to mature and we could always if
they when they get mature enough, we could cut a couple of them out if we had to thin it out. But, it's just that it's going to take so long I feel like for that to be thick enough to move on to the next one. You know what I mean? To >> over plant and then we can always go back and >> I mean, I know you're spending money,
but I don't know. I don't know what the solution. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> cuz I mean you see some of the white pines, those those are like on top of each other. They're thick clusters, you know. Will they stay like that forever? No. But >> it's almost like a dangerous ravine to
walk up in the first place to get >> been so eroded. >> Um, but I was thinking I know it's getting late. Like we really had originally planned on this Saturday would be our first planting. So I was thinking if we could at least I don't
know if we could do it. It's already too late. We don't have the plants ordered or anything, but if we could at least get one and we could plant this unless >> or this coming Saturday. >> Well, I don't know. I mean, this Saturday, how do we get the funds and buy the plants from now to then? Like,
is that something that can happen that quick? >> We have to get a purchase order because like anything, we have to get the product before we can pay for it. So, >> it's under $3,000. We don't need a purchase order. >> Really? >> It's new. So,
>> well, my question is, can we could we still pull this off of this weekend? >> I mean, if we decide on what we want to plant, we definitely don't have mountain or else. So, it would have to be that'd be the one thing we won't have if we want to use >> get in whatever we can.
>> Yeah, they're already putting it on Facebook that we're doing it on Saturday, right? >> Um, >> Spice Bush is just as good or >> that was one of the alternates. There was uh uh what was the other? There was spice push. I
>> uh was it service fairy? You had >> service berry? >> Um service berry though the spacing I mean we that we could plant it and then thin it out also. But like the spacing was a lot further apart than the spice bush. That's why I kind of chose those
cuz I was figured they're smaller and maybe more compact >> than the service berry. But I guess we could always get some service bar too and we can modify like our I mean that's just a general >> it's not going to be a one shot deal. We're going to be back there. >> Yeah. So we can always modify. So if we
if we decided tonight we wanted to get some of the service be we could too. >> Um we do that for this weekend then? >> Yep. >> So I'm not going to be here this weekend. >> Well, how do we get it without paying for it? That's the question. >> How do we get it without paying? You had
the money put in a special fund instead of just paying directly out of the is it put in the fund already? >> No, she you just said if we it's under 3,000. We could still pay for with the town. You just don't need a purchase order, right? >> We have the CPA fund.
>> So, you need to get a check and I thought we're going to use the money that uh >> was donated. The donation donated. >> I don't even know if we have that money yet. And then he >> he hasn't you know if he hasn't donated the money yet he could just buy those plants for us
>> and this was this is why I I drew this because this isn't really I was it was under my understanding that this the area he was donating it he wanted that those plants going to more towards his side right >> he wanted it in a specific area. So if
we're using CPA fund money, we could do this, which wouldn't really be the his area of interest. Correct. >> Right. >> Right. >> So what account did CPA? >> You have the trails grant. >> That's the $15,000 trails grant. >> Yeah. It's for erosion as well. It was
in the war article, >> right? Right. Yeah. >> Right. Okay. >> All right. I have a question. How much of the gully that that's in there are we planning on putting in top top slay on >> I was thinking putting at least a foot
thick. >> Okay. >> So, I mean that thing is probably 18 inches deep. I'm thinking, you know, we're trying to want to get rid of the gully, >> right? >> And fill it with top soil. >> More gully you have you can make it the better
>> the plants. So, and they're not going to just give us the plants without giving them money or some kind of purchase order to prove that we're going to give them the money. So, we have to get them. >> I think it's going to be longer than a week. >> I think it's be a lot longer than a week. That's why I was hoping that I didn't realize that that money was
designated just to a certain area that uh >> Yeah. >> So, that whole thing about getting using the CPA funding that couldn't happen this week then. >> There were conditions. What do you think of what the conditions were? Right.
Well, we need to or like so we we need to order them and then I don't know if they deliver or if we have to go pick up like >> I could handle coordinating getting the plants picked up, >> but the acquiring the paying for them
any >> ask our an anonymous donor if he'd be willing to put some money up front and we can take the CPA money and put it towards the planting so it's his place cuz that's kind of selfish, you know, we want to do it the most. The area that needs it the most, not the area that he
wants it at the most. You know, that's >> this is this is the place that needs it the the most right now. >> And you know, if he could buy those plants >> for us now, we could do it this weekend. Otherwise, we're not going to be able to do it >> even probably this year.
>> So, the select board, unless he's on their agenda tonight, it hasn't >> Yeah. hasn't approved it yet. >> It's the same process though or whether it's uh money from a donation or money
from a CPA account and we still we need an >> if it go if it goes through the town it's the same process. If it goes a private person goes I just want to buy these plants write the check for >> we could we could we could do it Saturday. We'd go out there Saturday and wouldn't have to go through all the red
tape of the town which is going to take who knows how long it takes forever to do things. >> We also don't know >> limited staff and >> that's true. >> So this is like about $500. The town is they're probably tax exempt. So you have to add sales tax.
>> I'll give them a call. I'll find >> I'm saying it's around you know with with this it was like $490 I think. >> $500 to get things going this weekend. Otherwise, we're not going to be able to do it. I mean, there's just no no way we're gonna be able to order, get the approved vendor, get the funds to them.
It's it's just a monthlong process with this. >> So, they were an approved vendor for the town already. >> They are. >> They are. The only thing we they might need to do is just send in the updated W9. >> It's the only thing because it's been a long time since we've bought stuff, but
we've already bought stuff from New England wetland plants. They had they we were still town was still in their system. Obviously we might not >> have them still in our system. >> They changed they moved or they >> they're in South Hadley Hadley or one of those things but
>> but so I don't know if that expedites a little bit of the >> it would expedite that by probably a couple of weeks but still not gonna still not going to have it for Saturday. >> Okay. >> I can guarantee that. >> Well, I can't guarantee it. Maybe
Sabrina can work some trades. So I'm going to call the our anonymous donor in the meantime see if you'd be willing to get the project started. >> So how how do you want to do this moving forward then? Then >> get the information and you know would
get a check from him for was it New England wetland plants? Yeah. >> So me and you'll just contact each other back and forth after you speak with them. Yeah, >> Kevin would need a real number and then you would call them with the real number.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Get it get to get the quote first. >> Yeah. I Well, like I said, I didn't have I have a quote per plant, but until we know how many plants, then they can put a finalized quote with, you know, sales in. >> The other glitch is that the town
doesn't pay tax for >> private person would have to pay tax. >> I would assume they have to pay sales tax. Yeah. I mean, what you're talking 30 $40 service if it if the bill if it's sold to the town of South and someone else pays the bill. It's still sold to the town of South. He paid the bill on
behalf of the town. >> You can write stuff. You can't write it up without >> they still they will still pay. So, first we need approval for reimbursement now from Nicole. All reimbursements we need approval. And then also,
I mean, I don't think this matters because it's a donation. He wants to donate, but anybody, and this listen up guys, anybody who buys stuff like with your own card or with your own cash, you're not going to get the tax part reimbured. The town can't reimburse you.
>> Well, she wants it written up specifically what the money could be used for. So, that's got to be approved. So, that's a whole another process. Now the only one is too is if he wants to use that tax purposes wise as a write off if he buys a house how would he be able to do that though >> break up too.
>> So if he if he buy if he buys spends $500 in plants now will he be able to use that as a write off? >> He throws the receipt at his accountant and he takes his tax write off. I donated this stuff to the town. >> We'll we'll see if he's even willing to do it. you know, just like to see it get
going this weekend and >> and I don't see how we they're not going to just give us the plants without having some commitment to having to >> purchase order or some kind of >> or worst case scenario, you said that I know there was some stuff back and forth. If say I bought them, I know it
has to be approved through Nicole. If say I was to buy it, I can get reimbursed. It just a process of getting reimbured. >> You get reimbursed. It just takes >> But you would be paying the tax. You pay sales tax. You're not >> sales taxes. I could eat $30 if it
happened to make it happen. Um if that doesn't work, you know. All right. We'll try the anonymous donor first. If that doesn't work, try to get it get the party out there for Saturday. Supposed to be decent weather Saturday.
>> Yeah. We've been pretty lucky. >> And the ground preparation. Did we say >> we have a question on uh when will the top soil be available? >> So I can have it delivered Friday or I could also have it delivered Saturday morning when we're going to be working
just so the gate can get opened up like our trucks work Saturday so I could probably coordinate and have it delivered Saturday like first thing like our trucks start at 6:30 in the morning >> and and and the tractor we're going to use is only does what? Two yards
>> a yard at a time. yard at a time. So, >> yeah, >> that's 20 trips in. >> Correct. It's going to be >> Can we My question is, can we do that on Friday? >> The bucking of Topsa? Well, I not I work. So, unless I started it Friday after work, I could do that.
>> It gets dark early. >> If you would allow me to drive your tractor, I can do it Friday. >> Yeah. >> So, is that tractor going to need to be driven in in inside the property? Yeah. >> Close as we can get to >> the drop off area.
>> We don't need a bucket brigade. >> So that would need the gate need to be unlocked. >> Notify the police and everybody that >> but I think that you'll be just following the account. >> No, it shouldn't be that hard. >> I think we have the key unless they changed it for whatever reason. We have a key to the gate.
>> Make sure >> but we would need to have if we want to do it Friday, I could have the top delivered on Friday or Thursday. Yeah, I'll figure I'll I'll figure that out. >> Okay. >> When you want to have that done, but >> Okay. >> I mean, I could I get out a little early
on Friday, so I could start doing it Friday. At least get most of it ahead. >> I'll have the key available in my office for you guys to because I'm not like I said, I'm not really going to be around. So, >> I'm going to the conference.
>> Oh, nice. >> We'll make sure we get the key that it's going to open it. So, >> okay. So if we do it this weekend, the following weekend, do we want to postpone till the spring >> then put a tenative on it in case we don't finish up this weekend?
>> Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. And that's the other thing I was wondering >> ongoing projects. >> Yeah. [Music] >> I was wondering if if maybe this weekend when we are out there if we do do it
this weekend, we could all also come up like walk. We probably should do like a phased out plan. Like this is something that we're going to do over a five or six or seven or eight year period and maybe like block out areas that we want to do, you know, while as many people are there as possible and say, "Hey,
these these are the areas we want to do." And, you know, cuz we're going to plant one, it might need to be like fenced off for a year or two years before we open them up. So, we can't just, >> you know, we need to really kind of It's going to be a long time. >> Yeah. It's going to be like a long term.
It might take 10 years to finish this. You know, it's not going to happen in two or three. So, maybe we do this one cuz it's a worst spot and then >> for springtime plan another area or two just because the fact that I don't think that we're going to be able to we're
going to almost get our we could over plant the areas before the other, you know what I mean? Like we won't we could plant it quicker than what we need it's going to take to establish those establish. >> So, okay. But >> is this a trail that the snowmobiles are
going to rip up and down? >> We're going to hopefully put snow fence to block it off. >> We are going to do that. >> So, we need snow fence and Tposts also. >> Yeah, I'll get some tosts.
I got snow fencing already. So, >> do we have to? We might still have some tosts left from the other install. Do we have a couple? Yeah, we have DPW. >> Yeah, DPW somewhere. >> I'll check with them >> cuz we don't need more than what, four,
cuz we're just doing at the ends, right? >> Two ends, >> right? So, we don't need more than >> And then I have a bunch of zip ties I'll bring, too. >> I think we still have some zip ties also. >> Last stuff install. >> So, as far as plans amount, do we what
do we want to go with? Do we want to add any service barrier to this or what do we want to do? >> I say no what you got right now. I mean >> that's good. Good for now. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I'll call tomorrow and have them just, you know, I'll just have them
put like a order together and it'll be under the town of South Conservation Commission. >> We need an invoice and it will need to be to the town of Southwick. Unless somebody else pays for it, right? >> Yeah. Because if if you get the invoice
to the town of Alpha, we're not going to >> Well, if you could if if you get a purchase order, they might take that. You know, that's the way they usually do business. If you don't can't pay cash for it up front, you give them a purchase order and that oblig is they say, "Okay, you have that money held
aside." That's what the we that's what we use purchase orders for. Yeah, I think so. I think they will give it to us because we're on their system and they know how municipality wants. >> So, you think that maybe if I beg and say, "Hey, can we take the plants?" Can
and and they might give them to us even until we just get all of the red tape figured out until I get paid. >> That's another option, too. >> And that's how we buy other stuff is that Yeah, we'll pay you later. >> We always eventually pay them. We're good for the money.
>> Okay. So, what I'll do and then they have to get a hold of the quality for the W9 and all that. I've heard >> No, that's for accounting. But if we want they can send the W9 our way. Yeah. >> And we'll get it down to accounting and put it up on with the invoice.
>> Yeah. I'll call her tomorrow and then I'll have them email me and you everything over and then maybe you could help coordinate all of that. And >> yeah, they're not going to get their money for a few weeks anyways because it needs to be approved through warrant and
during a select board meeting, but it just takes time. >> Um, but if we're on their on their books already, >> maybe they'll maybe they'll just say, "Yeah, you can." Yeah. Okay, I'll try that. >> Give it a shot. Okay.
Got a plan that with you. >> Very good. Anything else on that subject? Okay, next item is discussion of the holiday trees for the winter forest and craft fair 2025. >> Any updates there? Do you need?
>> There's sort of an update. Um it the holiday craft fair and winter forest event looks like it is not going to be at town hall. Um, it looks like it's going to be at the meeting house down the road over
by McDonald's, the old church that the >> Okay, >> civic fund had. >> The only reason I had any interest in doing it is cuz it's going to be the town hall. I mean, that was the whole beauty of it, you know, decorates the town, people celebrated here. I
>> that unites everybody. >> Not in favor of having it someplace else. I mean, I don't think it's a good location for it. I don't know why they decided to move it. >> That decision's been made. It's going to happen. >> She said it was advertised for this. >> Okay.
>> Facebook. So, it's Facebook official right now, >> but I don't know how official Facebook official is, >> but it definitely says this year is at 222 College 222 College Highway, >> not four.
Yeah. All right. So, does that mean we're not going to participate this year? >> I didn't say that. I I don't Changes my whole attitude on it, though. I mean, >> I tend to agree. >> I know. Like, you think they This is
like almost the center of town, too. >> I mean, this is perfect. >> They have it in the town hall and >> and the cultural council has their trees here in town hall. you know, they're not going to move it down there. >> Yeah. All of our stuff is here in the
building. So, >> I think we should rethink that. >> Rethink it. We want to at least take >> Not to say that we won't end up donating, but it's, you know, it's a little disappointing. Okay. Well,
accept the motion to table us. Table second. Okay. Roll call vote. >> I Dennis I >> norm I >> cherry I >> Andy I. >> Motion has been table. Next item discussion talk with John Carter about
seven no south longard road erosion issue. Do you have any kind of new report from John? >> We've got an email. >> Okay. >> I have yet to read it but did send it to us um for an update.
It should be right behind. So really applications finally notice in the future. Happy to see we have our best working on it. >> Okay. All righty. Anybody got anything else on that one?
Okay. The next item is discussion of the open space committee. >> I I printed out your stuff. >> We have some people here. I think >> that's why I asked them. >> We got the whole committee here. >> We got the whole committee here. Will
you bet Conor? >> Okay. >> Why don't you come on up? Only bring one chair with you. Rachel actually nice chair nice comfy chair here for somebody. >> Um if you need to just request
see with me >> and thank you for >> coming forward. >> Okay. What I figured we could start with is try and give you some guidance. >> Did they get to the select board meeting
yet, Norm? >> Huh? >> Did they get to the select board meeting yet? >> We select board meeting. >> Oh, we just came from there. Yes. >> We have to get sworn in sworn in. >> Fantastic. Hey, congratulations. >> Thank you.
So, what I did was uh we should I'm thinking we should try to give you some guidance on what we think's important. And you can see it up there, but I'm going to get it done because it's pretty small from my eyes anyway.
>> What I'm doing is I'm going to prioritize these as an A, a B, or a C item. and then we can have each month each conservation member vote on it and then we can come up with a priority. Uh number one is hold meeting organized
team structure meeting schedule. Number two become familiar with the open space conservation properties. Number three review latest open space plan. Number four prepare a new open space plan. Number five manage and maintain open
space areas. protect aquatic ecosystems, preserve farm working farms, enhance recreational and environmental opportunities. And then the four master plan action
items 3.3, 1.5, 1.9, and 3.2. And attached you've got the description of those. And I also use the last page which was the advertise what we had. So my first question to the board is
there anything we would see that we added for the looks good to me. [Music] It's just the order of things that Well, he's asked to rank it either a three, two, or one. Three being the most
important, >> right? Well, I mean, >> that's why I thought they all should be ranked that way, Norm. So, I like this. >> I think all of them should have been like that. Is it very important, not that important, or >> Yeah,
>> but I mean, you have to do the hold the meeting and organize the team before you can do anything else on here. >> Well, that's right. So that would have to be number one, wouldn't it? >> Yes. Agreed. >> I mean, I think the way you've got it one through 12 here is is a great
working order. Maybe you'd have to modify it a little as you go along, but I think that's a great >> No, I mean, those are I think they're all important, >> but as far as the timing of it, what you need to do first, >> right? Right. You do have to have the meeting and organized before you can't
write a new open space plan before you know what >> I think these are all just separate action items order that they occur >> in some we have to have formal meetings and all those kinds of things >> yes >> right
>> and what do we do with all of that or I mean you know this is a public meeting and you guys have announcements for the meeting all that kind of stuff we have to do a similar format and okay Yeah, there is. Yes. >> Okay. >> I'd only change one. Number 12. I'd make that a three. >> It's kind of important if you refer
back. >> It's up to you. >> 3.2. Organize an annual meeting. >> Not as familiar with the process of all the stuff, right, Sabrina? As far as the meetings and posting and all that kind of stuff. >> Thank you. >> He hasn't had a meeting at before he has
the meeting. He's got to know how to do it, right? 247. >> We have Sabrina and myself. We can walk them through process. Yeah. >> What needs to be done and >> there's no floater or anything. These they're going to have >> good floater.
>> It'll be good. We could get her involved with that too >> at least to start off with >> just a way back in the day. Jean Jean was both. >> Who do we have to contact to see if we can get her as a floater and >> the select board?
>> Yeah. see if we can see if we can do that to give these guys some help because she she knows the ropes. She knows she knows what she's doing and uh and give you guys more of a chance to work with the other parts of the process, you know. >> Yeah. You know, be posting agenda and
>> so did I hear we didn't think we had to prioritize this list? >> I think it's prioritized the way you got it. >> He thinks the order that it occurs is right on far as the from number one to 12. Yeah, I think the word >> a good starting point. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> But as far as I like your one, two, three idea as well to say most important or least important. I think they're all the most important. >> I think the most >> the most important is the order that we do them in
>> which I like that like you said. >> So let's let's prioritize which order they go in and then Oh. So >> can I ask a question? >> Sure. So, um, does that mean that, for example, we should be putting more time and effort into protecting aquatic
ecosystems before we get to enhanced recreation and environmental opportunities or is there any way we can be doing some of those things simultaneously? >> Yes. And it's probably going to change as you go along. Opportunity for one might come up where it's not for the
other. So then you're going to go with the opportunity. You don't get to define a lot of time. >> It's not going to be as busy as this looks right now. >> Just we would probably come before you folks and if we were going to rep prioritize or or if we did have like you
say an opportunity that comes up, you know, down here, >> but we hadn't got to up here yet. >> So, it's the priority right now is to do them in the the correct order establishing the committee, you know, going down this list. And then when you get down further down, I'm sure you're
going to swap things around as it becomes available. >> Yeah. And familiarizing yourself with the open space plan, you know, that's >> might. Yeah. Before we >> because you will be writing a new plan. >> Um, >> what does that do, Sabrina? The new plan. >> I think it's in another year. >> Year and a half.
>> Yeah. >> The new plan is extensive, too. I mean, there's there's a lot, >> right? You might not have to change a lot. >> Yes, we that was approved I think five >> six years ago. And then we just approved um a new master plan. So you can piggyback on that as well,
>> right? And there are some of these action items. We'll go into that grants available for partner valley planning commission to help us with certain things that uh maps or whatever we need, >> right? Any changes, updates, basically you're updating
>> the already written plan. We don't want to give them the plan to do because then they just come back to us and ask us what we want to do and they go through a third party. >> Yeah. We don't want to scare you with this. This is a multi-year process.
Okay. Accomplish all this. >> Well, there's only there's only three of us. So, I'm assuming that we're going to have to go out and find volunteers. >> Yeah. To get more people involved. Yes. >> With only three people. But it's a good start though >> who are either working or doing other volunteer opportunities. You know,
>> you know, I was thinking uh I was at Safonowski's the other week. What about one of the guays? They were very involved in getting all that clean up done. Dana or his I don't know his wife's name. I wonder if one of them would be interested because they they live right at Safenowskis. I wonder if
they >> you know, they kind of like >> uh spearheaded the whole like cleanup around those ponds. So, I don't know if they would either if we could reach out to one of them. >> You know, Dana or his wife? >> Not really. >> I'll see. I run into them all the time. I'll see if I can
>> I just I was like, "Oh, I wonder if that would >> reach out to them." If one of them would be interested, too. >> I said G u Y a G. >> They have the horses right there in front of us. >> Ga. Well, it's like in Yeah, it's like
right like where you where the community garden is. They're just before the community garden on the right. Okay. >> They've got like a little barn and like a house. >> Slow down before you pull in like right by their house. >> They help maintain Senowski. >> Yeah. So, that's I just was like, I wonder if they would be.
>> It's a great idea. >> We'll start reaching out to people and >> Yeah. And then with Dana, >> I don't know his wife's name. >> Are there other is it Cindy? >> So we Sorry, >> I was just going to ask >> members they would have have a quorum
with three Chris that could start to make think we >> get the ball rolling. Voted on a seven member board, didn't we? >> Or did I mean the select board? >> I thought I saw five. >> Five. >> Then yes, you're good.
Yeah, you have a quorum. If there's five members, Dan, are you voting? Three people there. That's considered a quorum. So, you could schedule a meeting as whenever you guys are ready. >> Elect the chair and go from there. >> Yep. >> We'll try to help you out along the way, of course. But
>> yes, >> it's up to your schedules basically and when you can get a room here, >> Sabrina can help you with that. >> And how do we report back to you? I assume that you're the overarching committee, >> right, >> that we're under. >> So, um,
>> one of you can come in or email us or >> Yeah, it can be informal. >> Informal. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And Dennis and I have been on the committee before. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, we won't always be meeting with you guys like we are now. We >> No, no, you don't have to do this.
>> No, you'll have your own meetings. Then if you decide something or see something of need that you want to bring to our attention, you can either email Sabrina and she can bring it up here, put it on the agenda for us to discuss here or you know if you want to come in and talk about something, you're certainly
welcome to >> wondering about the budget. Would they have their own budget or would they have it under us? Would we be requesting? >> We should request for a budget too. Yeah, >> I don't know that they'll get one. agricultural commission. They they didn't give them a budget for maybe four
years and they found out, oh, we're supposed to give them a budget. >> So, maybe the open space committee would put in for it anyway. >> It wasn't hard to ask, but it was hard just to get it to happen in the first place. >> Yeah. >> So, their report would show up on the
agenda just like Sabrina's report down here. >> Yeah. We'll have something on it for every meeting, >> right? be nice when there's no updates and it'll be nice of the rest. >> And so are there other families that are stewards of some of these properties
that you know regularly volunteer? Maybe there's not a designation they're a steward but that we should know about. >> Well, they they volunteer a lot this property >> and the hand there too. I think they do
their community garden. >> Yep. And then over at what was it? Sarah Drive. Uh I forgot the woman's name like Denise. I think we had met with her a few years ago. She either owns or works at the horse
right next to the conservation property. >> We gave her um >> stewardship. >> There's just a little trail that goes behind there to the river. It's not much on that. wouldn't have too much to do
there. La Pinsky on Honeypot Road by you there. That's half to the state and half the town. So, >> work with Fish and Wildlife on that. >> I think we technically hold the CR there and they own the land.
So, they are they're >> something happens and I'm, you know, they call me up like, "Hey, you know, there's ATVs over there." I called Jen up. ATVs. Yeah, the sea are there. It's different and that on the state property it's different than the rest of them
because they they don't want the hiking paths and stuff like that. You can hike through there, but they don't want paths through there. >> Whereas on our other properties, we encourage putting paths in. And >> that's strange, isn't it? I mean, when you think about particularly there, if there are endangered species, you would
want to keep people on trails away from those. with fish and game. I think they promote hunting and a lot of walking paths there. It's not as maybe safe for people to be walking through there. Yeah. >> You know, true >> without >> But all the rest of the properties are, you know, it's for wild place and
>> Yeah. >> So that's the only property that has hunting um that we would have to worry about if people has hunting. Yep. >> Oh, they do. >> Yes. I was up there Saturday and >> the bird season's open so
>> Yeah. I was glad I had my signs that tell people that so that they know. >> That's good. >> We'll put together as much information. Any questions you have, please get back to us. You know, we do a lot of stuff over the internet, of course, and email.
>> Any questions you have, feel free to ask and we'll get back to you. >> And Sabrina would be our contact. So she would know if we wanted to email you, she could give us the email address or she might be able to answer our question. >> Yeah, it's good to keep it Yeah. in one
spot focused. >> You don't have one person telling you one thing and another person telling you another thing. >> True. It means like Honeypot has a kiosk up there so that if you put a notice on there, the people up on Honeypot are very interested in that property. So, if
you put a notice there that you you have a meeting, if they're interested in helping property, >> they might be more likely to contact you. >> Can we stuff mailboxes? Is that like something we can legally do? >> They can't give you that. >> You cannot stuff mailboxes.
>> Well, you know what I mean? Like, you know, it's a mailing or something like that. >> UPS decision. >> There was somebody up there that emptied the trash for a while, but one of the neighbors. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then I think one of our guys
started to do it. >> You familiar with the Granville board? >> Yes. >> So one of our properties that we manage trying to property. >> Oh yeah. It reminds me on the gorge. Are
we going to close it for the winter the gate or you going to leave it open? >> I mean we close it because there's snow, right? Are we gonna have snow? >> Yeah. I have the sign still. It says closed for the winter. >> Close it. If anything, they can just park across the street and walk down.
>> Yeah. When closed for the winter in When would that be? November. I don't know. Why don't we say first snow first plow? >> I don't even know is is you're I've never closed it. So, you're going to
bicycle lock that we use for that. Okay. I think I still got that, too. [Music] bicycle lock and then let uh >> I mean they're easily cut off. >> Fire and police. >> Yeah. >> Know the combination. >> Combination.
>> Okay. >> Where are the signs? >> In my shed. >> Oh, great. Is there anything else in your shed that we have? >> We still have a place over at the Herk Samuelson storage locker. There's there's an open space lot. Hey, there at
the last house. So, we should uh go investigate and see what what's left there. >> I thought we had that weed burner there, but I can't identify that. >> But there's some shovels and wheelbarls and brakes and stuff there.
>> Yeah, >> I'll get the combination for that when we see correct tomorrow. >> Okay. Anybody else got anything on open space? >> Just thanks again. >> Thanks for see you here.
>> I think that's please. >> I think he's right. Everybody got a coffee. >> Yep. Yep. >> Very good. Next item table. The discussion on what bylaw
changes. That's that will remain table discussion on 485 Lake View Drive, Connecticut. That's the retaining wall that was put in >> because I had a conversation with my big line.
>> I asked him about I told him I never got a copy of the letter he sent to Sophia. >> Copy. >> Oh, he sent it. Yeah, he sent a letter to Safio. >> Yeah, >> I don't know that. >> Yes, he did. >> Would have been nice then. Well, I found
out today I got a copy of it today his aid had my wrong email address. >> Oh. >> So, she probably sent it to me, but it just never >> It happens. >> So, that that actually went out on on August 28th, I think it was.
>> And he hasn't heard of Pete. >> Is there any riff wrapping in front of that wall yet or is that still >> It wasn't last time I checked. Okay, >> that's good. Now, I did send a note to Nicole saying that I think that Colin Colin
Mole needs to be notified that we haven't heard back from his attorney. >> And I said, I think it'd be more appropriate if it came from you just from position. >> Absolutely. >> And because she's out this week,
>> so that email just went out today. So, >> yeah. Okay. All right, dead tree. We've already talked about report from the sub conservation commission meeting. The last meeting was cancelled. I don't
even know if u if um Keith Morris is back to work on it. He was sick for quite a while. >> Update on North Pond conservation responsibilities. >> The signs have survived the second week.
I didn't check those >> and I added uh the >> the dumpsters at North Pond, Saffronoskis, and Granville Gorge were all good shape. >> So, someone's continuing to pick those
up. >> Excellent. >> So, >> really? >> Yeah. >> Or Yeah. Someone has to because they were like brand new >> trash bags in there. >> Yeah. So that's good. >> Wonder if Steve's just making it out there.
>> How do I get you to Norm? Can you stop sharing? >> I don't, you know, I just I want to see our faces. >> Spreadsheet. >> I said I want to see our faces. >> Oh, okay. >> Uh review list of open conservation
projects. >> Uh I don't think there's anything to report there right now. >> I think that's Saturday, right? Saturday we got busy day. >> What time are we? >> 9:00. I told
>> 6:30. >> Well, we told the public we told the public at 9:00. >> 9:00 for school. >> We'll go at 6:30. >> The coffee and donuts then. >> So, you guys are getting coffee? >> I may aren't. >> Why not?
>> Huh? >> Why not? Okay. >> Murphy's. >> I hope I can go now that I said that. >> Will the doctor let you go? >> I'm I can't do anything. >> Well, >> I can drink coffee.
>> I still Well, I go tomorrow for my recheck. So, >> right now I'm coffee cup limit. >> Y >> with just coffee. Well, you can >> whatever too heavy copies have made from
>> Yeah. the updates. >> Yeah. So, tomorrow uh just a reminder, tomorrow is the site visit at 4:00 at the American Legion. This is for the um erosion sediment I guess uh storm water
control out there. Trying to figure that out. I tried to contact GW. He doesn't really have much on file only. >> Yes. C doesn't have anything on file aside from like something back in 2005. So was it
Dante who had it before? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So he doesn't have anything. So, um, yeah, if you can make it tomorrow at 4 at the Legion, the the owner or the president of the American Legion will be
there as well as um Keith Johnson. >> Great. >> Motocross. What time? >> 4. >> What What is the like I saw some emails or something? What happened? Is there >> what happens with that track is that there's a
>> it's a it's very sandy and the sto their storm water infrastructure fills up with sand a lot and it looks like one of them is a little too close to wetland. >> Um and Keith had said that he had gotten some
type of approval like 12 years ago. >> Remember Steve Gerard went out there and redid the track? I mean I I know once but see yeah I that's kind of >> they used to go right through the right through the >> I think that's what that letter to Dante
was about was like you need to stop doing it. >> So they did correct you know they >> pushed a little bit into the wetland area but they didn't stay out of the the major area. They had agreement with the >> can't find it of course they can't find
it. So that so what came up? Was there a complaint or >> Yeah, we had a complaint >> about and so there was equipment um >> close to a wetlands. They're cleaning out the storm water. When I talked to Keith, he said that this is something that they've been doing for years. Yeah.
>> But I don't have anything on file. >> Um I don't know where the wetlands are. So we're going to go out there, have a conversation, and start >> some type of plan. So we're all on the same >> week. What they're doing might be okay or might not be okay.
>> So it was more like just maintenance that they've been doing. >> It wasn't like they like were like extending filling anything or anything like that. It just sounds like it was some maintenance. >> I'm not sure what the complaint was. It was from sleeper, right? It's >> um I can't remember what it was if it was
specific. Yeah. >> What it was, it was it looked like >> I remember the complaint was >> Yeah, they were doing works post like encroachment encroachment wetland. >> But Norman and I went out there a few
weeks ago >> and I'm sure >> Yeah, we'll see. >> Take a look at it tomorrow. Yeah. >> At least they're willing to work with us. Last time they >> weren't so willing to do that previous >> both of them contacted
>> so four o'clock right >> four >> any >> um that's >> next meeting November 5th >> November 3rd now we didn't do the minutes >> oh minutes >> we'll make a motion to approve the
minutes >> that wasn't in here >> is that a joke or is that >> I looked at it Yeah, >> I thought they were good. >> I thought they were good. There was a word missing on page to the second sentence. >> What's up? >> There's a word missing. >> Where?
>> Where's there blanket? Andy would find it. >> What page? >> Page two, second sentence. Read the sentence. >> Doesn't make sense without the word. What was he?
>> Yeah. to build on what was >> on what was. >> Good catch. >> Nice job. >> Where'd you go, >> Andy? Anybody got any other >> motion to approve the minutes as amended?
>> You have a second. >> I'll second it. >> Dennis made the motion. Jerry made the second. Roll call vote. Uh, are we supposed to abstain if I wasn't there? Are you abstaining? >> You can vote here now.
>> No, that was only preservation. Ask any preservation. >> I'll abstain. Can we We can You got to >> I Andy. >> One was unanimous. >> Kevin and I both.
>> Neither of us were here. We're gonna change that rule for >> change. [Music] >> You did. >> Oh, wait. This is the >> next meeting.
>> New business. >> Some signatures for the uh minutes, please. >> Yeah. Yeah, you guys. >> Nice. Good to know. >> Oh, we're seeing how this works now. >> Have a good night. >> Saturday.
>> I'll give Dan a call tomorrow morning to see if I've got recent Yeah. how they