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Part 1 (Video ID: ocNIDwr-rbQ):
- 00:00:00: Finance Committee Opening, Meeting Minutes Approval
- 00:00:37: Discussion: Engine One Replacement with Fire Chief
- 01:09:19: Chief's Presentation: Truck Leasing and Financing Options
- 01:13:23: Public Comment: Deposit for Bonding and Truck Budget
- 01:17:51: Public Comment: Engine Order Now, Motor Regulations, Costs
- 01:26:38: Public Comment: Mounting Costs for Firetruck Radios
- 01:27:17: Public Comment: Lease Duration and Finance Costs
- 01:33:20: Transition to 2027 School Budget Discussion
- 00:22:32: Discussion: Budget Version Three and Position Cuts
- 00:25:23: School Budget: Minimum, Discretionary, and Non-Discretionary
- 00:26:20: School Budget: Capital Requests for Track and Boiler
- 00:27:15: School Budget: CPC Funds and Sign Donations Discussion
- 00:30:31: Discussion: Reviewing the 2027 Town Budget Packet
- 00:31:36: Town Budget: Capital - Street Acceptance & IT Equipment
- 00:34:22: Town Budget: Capital - Handicap Accessibility
- 00:36:04: Town Budget: Canal Brook Removal, Revolving Account
- 00:41:16: Town Budget: Accounting Department Copier Discussion
- 00:44:01: Town Budget: Lease Program for Town Copiers
- 00:46:39: Town Budget: Highway & Water Department Infrastructure
- 00:48:18: Town Budget: Water and Sewer Department Discussion
- 01:00:12: Town Budget: Discussing Free Cash and Future Implications
- 01:10:58: Town Budget: Revenue Sources and Detailed Breakdown Request
- 01:15:53: Town Budget: Muni Fiber and Loan Payments Overview
- 01:17:12: Town Budget: School Loan, Assessment, and Debt Exclusion
- 01:21:12: Town Budget: Conservation Supplies and Wetland Fees
- 01:25:16: Town Budget: Economic Development and Hardware Maintenance
- 01:27:52: Town Budget: Police Salaries, School Resource Officer (SRO)
- 01:30:55: Town Budget: Police Cruiser Maintenance & Budget Details
- 01:33:21: Town Budget: Vehicle Maintenance and Emergency Management
- 01:36:56: Town Budget: Lake Management and Capital Projects Review
- 01:38:22: Town Budget: Recapping Numbers, and Beaver Dam Funding
- 01:40:37: Town Budget: Roads and Street Sign Repairs Analysis
- 01:42:15: Town Budget: Trash, Electrical, and Council on Aging
- 01:43:52: Town Budget: Library Electricity and Channel Fifteen
- 01:46:15: Town Budget: Worker's Compensation and Insurance Costs
- 01:49:04: Town Budget: Health Insurance and Ongoing Negotiations
- 01:53:30: Town Budget: Police Staff Numbers and SRO Discussion
- 01:54:58: Town Budget: Review Budget with School Committee Letter
- 01:56:14: Next Steps: Planning Joint Meeting and Budget Review
- 01:57:49: Adjournment and Closing Remarks for Finance Committee


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And today is April 21st and we're at the town hall conference room 3. We are the finance committee tonight. We have Joe Dei >> Sher Nolton all >> independence. Wonderful. Up first we're

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going to approve the minutes for 331 2026. >> Make the motion ready. >> I'll second there. >> Second. There's a second one. All those in favor Joe DD I >> Sherry Nolton I >> resley I

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>> additional reserve from that discuss of engine one replacement with fire chief listed Alex say that >> thank you well sir >> sir how are you today

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>> he's muted >> oh forett >> one moment evening everybody Everybody, >> did Cliff ask if he was taping? >> Yes. >> Okay, perfect. >> Sir, how are you? >> I'm doing okay, thank you. How are you tonight?

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>> Good. Better than last week. >> Yeah. So, um, let me give you a couple of updates first. I think that'd be the best thing to do. Um, so, as we mentioned before, our truck committee was meeting. We made a final decision.

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Um, we are going with a vendor called Sutfin. It's a family-based company out of Ohio. They were the provider for our tower and that's turned out to be an excellent choice for us. Incredible piece of equipment. It's held up really, really well and it's doing great. So, um, our contact person is a guy by the

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name of Jim Jim Lions. He's been with the company for nearly 30 years, uh, in the fire service for nearly 30 and over 20 with something. And so, he really knows the business. And uh Jim and I have been talking frequently about um what some of our options are. So let me

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just lay out a little bit about what I've learned. Okay. So when we look at Sutfin, there's two paths that we can go down. The first path would be a custom truck. And a custom truck means we build the truck from the tires up and we spec

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everything. We get everything, you know, to to the to the top, you know, specification that we want. um production time on that truck is anywhere from 30 to 36 months, let's say. Okay, it's a little less than that, but given where some uncertainty right

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now in the manufacturing business and the the current situation um in the Middle East, it's it's kind of hard to predict a couple of things because that does impact production. Um so, one of the things that Jim and I talked about was a different path and that is what is known as a stock truck. There are three

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advantages to stock trucks right off the bat. One is that a stock truck comes with the desired engine that we are looking for. So the federal government is uh implementing some new regulations for emissions controls and unfortunately

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the workhorse of the uh fire engine industry as well as any heavy equipment industry the the diesel 9 then I'm sorry the L9 as a diesel engine um is going away and we all thought well okay you can just buy a couple and and keep them

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in inventory and that's what the inertial plan was but we have since learned that That is not the case. The federal government has made it very clear that come April of 2028, I'm sorry, 2027, and sorry, take that back, of April of

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2028, that L9 engine cannot be used. Even if you have one in inventory and you put it on a truck, it's not going to beat the specifications. So, if we were to go with a 30-month build truck, we would be forced into the uh the X10 or the X-15.

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Um, the X10 is an unproven engine. We may have talked about this a little bit before. It's being utilized in Europe right now. Different standards for emissions out there. The American standards are a little bit more stringent and a little bit more restrictive. That also leads

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the manufacturers to have to redesign the entire exhaust system, which comes as an expense. So, the other thing that we really started to lean towards was this stock truck option. So they currently have uh chassis in production with the cab. Um you can specify the

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pump and there's several body styles that you can pick from. So one of the things that the truck committee had done is made some very lengthy visits um to some departments locally um that had the the trucks that we're looking at. So we were down at Ellington, Connecticut. We

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are down in North Brford, Connecticut um and and all looking at suffins and and really reliable great engines. Um, and so one of the models we liked is available um, as this stock truck. So the stock truck has a base price and then they start to put a couple of features onto that. So the way it works

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is you buy the stock truck and anything that's customizable would then go to MEES, which is the dealership for Sutfin, and they do the accutrant, the specialty things that we need. And one of the things that was remarkable about our truck committee is that when we went

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through uh the meeting where we wanted to list our wants and our needs, there were a lot of consistent needs and there weren't a lot of wants. Um because we know that if we buy a fire truck that's welldesigned, it's going to do everything we need it to do. So there are three design features that need to

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be important that are important to us. One is that the truck really needs to be designed for the fire department of the future. We don't know what that looks like, but we know a couple of things that haven't worked. So, we're moving past those. We're looking to make it a safer cab. Um, we're looking to limit

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the seats and put some storage inside cabinets inside the cab itself. So, that's a big part of it. And then the third part is it needs to be dual purpose. It's a rescue engine as well as a fire engine. So, a rescue engine means that it has to have a little bit more storage capacity than a typical engine

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would. So, we're willing to make some design recommendations and maybe even a couple of sacrifices on the overall design to make that work, but we still have that luxury even with the stock truck to make some of those recommendations and those changes. So, the reason I bring this up is because

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the stock truck would be delivered in October of fiscal 27 and or so I'm sorry, yeah, fiscal 27 and that's a little sooner than we anticipated, but the timing is still right. The third thing I want to mention

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is it shortens and the the delivery time, but it also saves in the long run with an estimated 3% and as high as 5% increase each year that you would be paying while the truck is being produced. We save that money up front.

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Okay. So, without having a final design, I asked Jim, I said, "Can we do this truck for $1.1 million?" And he said, "Yes, we can. It can have the things we need. It can be customizable." One of the reasons we're going with Sutton is its its durability,

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its ex its serviceability locally. Um, and also the fact that when I say the 30-year truck, you're going to get 30 years out of this truck. There's no doubt in my mind. There are such fins that are on the road for longer than that. There are sins that are pushing the 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30 year mark

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already um and still have some time left in them. Overall, that's what we want to do. We look at the expense of the truck and if you amatize it over 30 years and you compare it to something else that's purchased frequently in town, be it dump trucks or cruisers, the cost still comes

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in less per year um for the purchase of this one fire truck. I also want to make it clear that positioning the fire department of where we are right now, we're not going to need another fire apparatus for 15 years. So that would probably more than likely be the engine

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the replacement of engine three which is a 2009. And that's again I'm not sure what the lead time is going to look like in 15 years or even what the fire service is going to look like in 15 years. But we're purchasing a truck for now to replace a truck that is not going to make it um for another two to three

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years. It's just not going to do it. Um it's eating up a lot of the maintenance budget and it's really starting to show its age. We have a mechanic coming in tomorrow, for example, just to work on some of the lighting and eliminate some of the what were thought to be great control ideas. Um, but they don't work anymore. We can't get parts. So, he's

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going to a conventional system where literally is working off of a switch relay and that's how we'd get the lights to come on, which is what all the manufacturers have gone back to. So, that's pretty much what we're looking at overall as far as sutfin, what sutfin

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can deliver um some of the terms um as far as you know what the trucks entail when it comes down to financing um the select board and the finance committee and the town have several options. when I spoke to Jim uh about the leasing and initially it wasn't something that I was

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leaning towards only because it had a couple it wasn't the same as leasing a car and there were a couple of things that just didn't sound like it was going to be beneficial for the town but in hindsight I think that it is so and I'm just going to put it out there I explained it in the note that I had sent

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out to you that basically when you do a lease it buys you a little bit of time so we have a timing and a contract issue with when town meeting is, when the funds become available, what the town is willing to do with funding ahead of July

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1 when the funds are available as far as committing to a contract. What's nice about the lease agreement is you can give them a letter of intent and you don't have to make the first payment with for two years. So, it's paid in full. When the truck is delivered, they pay suffin and then we pay with the fin we deal with the finance company after

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that. The interest rates are comparable to some of the bonding. These interest are the um leases are available in three, five, seven, and 10 year. Most companies don't go 10. It's a little too long for them, but they do like this the fives and sevens. So that might be

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something that we look at. So once the mo money's appropriated, it just sits there. We pay the lease and accordingly. Um there are still some interest rates in that. It's a little less than a 10 or a 15year bond if something wanted to extend that long. But because the companies work ex with you know

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handinhand with Sutfin who's hand selected three companies that they finance with there are some advantages. So that's kind of the the leasing program and we can get into a lot more of the details if you know if need be if we get to that crossroad. Um, the other obviously would be if there's free cash

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available to put as much down um on the down payment so that the bond itself is lower, lowering interest rate so the overall cost of the truck is down as well. Um, and I'm certainly in favor of that. In fact, that's what I initially thought would be the best idea and I kind of still believe it's the best

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idea, although leasing is right there behind it because there are some advantages there. The third would be obviously to finance the truck outright um and and just you go with a bond and roll it over that way. And then the fourth, which I'm sure is not in in the cards right now, uh

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would be to just pay cash for the truck uh upon delivery um given the free cash that we have. But I understand that that's needs to be appropriated for some other budget concerns as the year goes on. So that's kind of where we are. >> That's awesome.

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with why we're thinking that this is the truck that we want to go with. All right. Sorry, I'm back. You got me now? >> Yeah. Yep. >> Okay. So, that's kind of what the landscape looks like. Obviously, I can answer some specific questions if I know the answers. I can certainly find out

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otherwise. Um, but that's where we're at. And again, yes, it's a million dollars. And I will say it, our building cost a million dollars 20 plus years ago. The average firet truck costs over a million dollars today. No, I have no

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control over that. The manufacturers do and then they don't because it's become somewhat of a leverage industry. And so everybody is trying to compete in that world. I'm actually away today at a pretty large convention and looking forward to talking to some dealerships

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and some manufacturers in the next couple of days just to see where they are and see if I can get a better understanding of how this industry works because everybody's in the same boat. Anybody buying a firetruck and that includes Granville or if it's Hartford, Connecticut, if you're looking to buy a

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truck that's going to last you 30 years, this is what you're up against. A city like Hartford doesn't buy a 30-year truck. They buy a 15-year truck because they don't have to worry about the maintenance. They just replace it in 15 years. That's the cycle they're on. South's not on that cycle, nor should we

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be on that cycle. Our tower is a 30-year truck. Engine 3 is a 30-year truck. Our engine 2 is probably a good 25-year truck. Um, but that was purchased most recent. You know, that was the most recent purchase. So, that truck will certainly do its job for the next 20 to 25 years. I'm not concerned about that.

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So, that's where we are. Does anybody have any specific questions about the purchasing and how this all works? >> I was hoping you would tell us if we end up bonding it out, what we needed for a deposit to start that process earlier.

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>> Sure. So, the deposit's up to us. The company, whether it's bonded or not, we'll start production on that with a letter of commitment and contract. We'll start production and we pay at the end when it's delivered. That's the way it works. The advantage of a down payment is it starts to lower the actual amount

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of the truck that we have to pay. So let's just say for ease of math it's it's a million dollars. We put down a h 100,000 on it. It brings it down to 9990,000. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. 900,900. But what the advantage there is that

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they also take 4% based on the deposit off of the value of the truck the list price of the truck. So for every 100,000 we put in, we would save 4% of that or whatever we put in, it's a 4% roughly

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4%. They meet weekly to look at what that number is to figure out what they're doing as far as financing is concerned. And then based on that and the contracts they're entering into in the forecast for the years to come, that's how they balance that. So, I

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think again back to my explanation of leasing, it's it's my number two option. My first option would be to put down a deposit and whatever the town could afford, but certainly lower the overall cost of the truck in the long run. As well as the finance, you know, borrow

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less, pay less. >> Thank you. Folks have any questions about a million one? >> Nope. >> No. >> So, was this in their budget all along and why? Why are we talking about it again? >> Um, it wasn't in the original budget,

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but their the maintenance on this particular truck is getting worse and worse. And the lead time for a new truck >> at first was going to be three years. So that started the process of sooner than later, let's have that discussion so we can either earmark a little bit of money

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and get that chassis rolling. So in three years it would be done, right? >> But what what I have researched too is decided to go with a actual cabin chassis that's already being built per se. >> Okay? >> You know what I mean? Nothing real custom. >> So that gets the delivery would be in

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October of 2027. >> That's what they're like a year out more or less, you know? >> So that's what they're looking at. if we were okay with waiting three years. >> They didn't mean for it to be ready in 2027. It's just because you're gonna

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grab a model off the floor with custom editions. >> Yeah. >> Because I'll be honest with you, at a million one, I thought that was a custom truck. >> So now we're at a million one for a good truck, but not custom. Well, so I didn't even want to ask them what the custom truck was going to run us.

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So there are still this is still it's a semi-custom truck. Okay. No. >> Um Okay. And again the advantage of buying the stock truck is the advantage of the L9 engine which goes away >> and we get an unproven engine which

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nobody likes to be the first ones to try something brand new >> even though it's being used right now in in different industries and in different parts of the globe. >> Um and it's proven to be okay. It's just that our emissions in in the United States are different and it'll definitely impact the performance of that engine and we're not sure how

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that's going to look. So that's one of the concerns. We still have a lot ofization that we can do this to this truck. Keep in mind even when it is a built from the ground up, there are still some limitations as to what you can do. We don't need a special length. We don't have any height restrictions.

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We don't have any turning radius restrictions on an engine. We did on the tower. That's why we ended up with the tower we had. But when it comes to the engine, the engine can navigate the streets. You take Ammeris for instance, they have to get a shorter truck. Palmer, one of the trucks we looked at from a different manufacturer was a

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squat truck. The thing was 96 because it had to be that way. And that was an expensive truck because it was so custom. We don't need any of that. So, we can go ahead and safely buy uh you know that stock chassis um with the with the cab and and the box design and the

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pump that we desire um you know for a little bit better price, but also it does arrive sooner. >> Looks like Diane has a question up there. >> Yeah, >> go ahead. Would the same opportunity be available next year, year after, etc. Or

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is it like to grab it now because we >> miss 1.1 will be 1.2 or 1.3? >> Well, the engine the engine >> the engine. Yeah. >> Okay. >> We we need to buy it now to get the engine before the federal government changes regulation.

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>> Okay. So, makes it uh green something. >> Exactly. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Newer motors, newer emissions. unproven unproven in the USA >> used in Europe somewhat but our standards are much different than over there >> 40% more >> yeah sure of that yeah

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>> chief does um when we get the truck delivered >> I mean what are the additional costs once it's on our lot do we have to you know get all of the radio equipment mounted is that another 50 grand for

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radios accessories for mounting all of our equipment that we Absolutely. >> Sure. So the trucks come. So there's always a contingency for that and that's built into the price that I quoted. You know, the 1.1 million covers all of that. So if there is any equipment that needs to be mounted, one of the things I

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want to stress is we have the equipment we need. We're not going to be buying any new equipment. Um some of it would be the the proper mounting brackets and things like that which are built into the cost of the truck. So Suffin would deliver the firetruck finished to MEES,

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which is the manufacturer down, the the vendor dealer down in Connecticut, and then they would do some of the custom brackets, some of the custom mounts, and a few other things. The lighting package comes from the from Sutin, and the radios that we put in, we do here

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anyway. And that cost us next to nothing to put the radios in. Oh, there's a question from D with Dian question. >> What happens at the end of the lease period? >> We own it. >> Chief, do you know what happens at the end of the lease period?

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>> Right. We own the truck out outright then. Correct. Yep. >> Right. >> Is there any additional payment at the end or is it level amortization? >> It's that's correct. It's a level amortization. >> Okay. Thank you. Yeah.

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>> The only difference is it's a they said seven year for a lease. Is that what you guys said? >> It'll go 10 >> or 10. >> Um >> well five, seven or 10. >> Yeah. >> Five, seven or 10, right? And if we and if we finance it out, we can go 15.

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>> But what does it cost us to bond? I mean, bonding costs, at least in Connecticut, are very expensive. >> Yeah. So, it looked like on our last million-doll fire truck, it's running us, it was, I believe, 75 and 40 about

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135,000 a year for principal and interest. >> Okay. >> For 15 years. >> Laura, what are the upfront costs for bond council for >> depends on how many things we're bonding at one time? Right. I'd have to look at

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the last one, >> but you're probably talking 10 or 20 or $30,000 of upfront costs that nobody talks about when you bond. So the um which a lease does not include, >> right?

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>> So I I mean granted the shorter term is quite a bit expensive. >> Yeah. >> But um >> it is Well, we don't have to make that decision tonight about how we're going to finance.

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>> It was more of a a placeholder in our budget of what we really need. So, >> if it sounds like we can sign away with no money down and then have it bonded completely and ready to go, it's one way. >> I was worried if we need 50 or 100,000 down out of our recash, we would do it

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ahead of time. So we could put it in our special so the truck could be ordered versus waiting till July 1. That's where I was coming from. Just trying to figure that part out. >> So any other questions? >> Nope.

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>> No, it was nice and clear. >> All right, Chief. Thank you for your time. >> Thank you. >> Yes. Thank you. I'm available. I'll be back at the end of the week, but if anybody has any questions, you can certainly email me or even feel free to call me. I'll be glad to answer any questions I can. >> All right. Thank you.

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>> All right. Thank you. >> All right. Good times. 2027 school budget discussion with Robert Stevens. Direct school committee chair. I don't see Robert online. >> I shouldn't have met him. >> Did you? >> No. But

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>> you didn't? No. Okay. >> He was indicated this weekend. He was going to be on. >> Yeah. He had hoped to be on Zoom. Yeah. So there is paperwork here from him I believe. >> Yes. My body

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is with the state of is what I think does. >> Okay, perfect. So, right here, guys, is where you're going to send this. You should have it in your back at going this way. >> Yeah, he was going to speak of these numbers

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and I believe this also includes another 100,000 out of >> END and That's version three it looks like. >> Yeah. Which was the letter to selectman wrote that we were supposed to sign last

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week but I didn't have that meeting. So I don't necessarily know the letter has to be sent. I guess we can still send it but they did their part was my understanding anyways. So that is option three. You said

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yep budget version three. But budget uh I mean version one was never on a table for right when they >> I think version one is what they came to us on a Saturday with >> version one is what they came they

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talked about on the Wednesday night >> on the Wednesday night. Okay. >> On Saturday they came talking about version two >> and that's what they fought on Wednesday night got approved. >> Okay. Six positions or four? Well, the first one apparently there was no position being cut when I thought there

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was eight >> and then they ended up on that Saturday there's six and that was approved by the school committee and now they're taking E and D down just by another $100,000. >> So they're not hitting class sizes,

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>> right? >> Um any further >> but those six positions are for sure. Yeah, >> those six positions. Yes, >> within version three, but they don't have a version that has eight positions.

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>> No. So, I wasn't the only one that was thinking there was eight positions that were being thought. >> Yeah. Right. >> End up being six. And on page two is your breakdown. So, the red is the required minimum.

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The blue is the non-discretionary which is transport transportation and debt service and the green is where there's some room or discretionary I should say >> and what is that I mean escalation discretionary

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>> discretionary >> I mean over four years it's gone from almost nothing Yeah. >> Million and a half. >> So >> yeah. >> What were the big big attitudes? Is it boiler? >> Track.

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>> The boiler. >> The capital. >> Capital. We had a meeting over the track. >> They're not discretionary. >> No, that's outside of this. >> Okay. So, they're going to ask for their almost 1.7 million for their budget and

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then they're going to ask for almost $800,000 in capital, 600 the boiler and 192 for the truck. >> So, what is the what's in the description? generic. >> So, our cost of the track I think was 187 at that meeting the other night by

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the time they were done. >> Um, 100 we were going to take out of the or CPC allowed 100 of it. >> They had the payments all pretty much controlled. Um, but it didn't include us putting it 100 down. >> Yeah. So whatever the payment was, ours

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will be lowered because of the $100,000 deposit we would be putting on it. >> What my understanding is that $100,000 is going to be spread across all three towns. It's going to lower. So that $100,000 is just >> That is not going to happen. >> It's not going to happen. >> It's not going to happen.

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>> Okay? >> I can promise you that. That's our $100,000 going on our portion of the payment and that's it. And then because I dropped it to 87, I'm probably off by a couple thousands. 80-ish was would be our payment moving forward.

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>> And I listened to a school committee meeting where it was like no no no. That's not how I took it. And then we actually once the meeting was over because they didn't bring up the CPC funds during the meeting. They just

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said, "Here's everyone's aotment for this project." And me and Nicole had grabbed uh the the gentleman there and got the breakdown and they said, "No, your grand go on your portion and then the payments will be what they are." >> So, are they still talking about doing

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that sign out in front of the the high? >> I don't think anyone's getting a sign anywhere. is that they had like donations and I know some of the donations were taken from the other class funds that were still left. >> Not aware of that. >> Use it for that sign. You can use it for the track.

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>> Yeah. Not aware of any of that. >> What sign? >> You know, there's a digital sign. So, so the thought was x amount of months ago that they could use maybe use channel 15 money to put a digital sign down by the school. Maybe for the library, maybe for

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the school. Definitely not two women. >> No. >> Um, yes. >> And as the discussion went on, the channel 15 money really does not work for that. We did the one back here in the town 10 or 15 years ago >> and it worked. Whether it was right or

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wrong, I don't know at this point, but we were able to use it then. So, the thought was one here at town hall, one over there, you know, kind of get everyone up on the same page with the same signs, but there's no funding for that. And I think that school itself got

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enough backlash that I don't think it's a priority at all. >> Okay. >> Would be the easiest way to say that. And I'm not speaking for the schools. I'm just from what I could see. Yeah. >> Yeah. It hasn't been brought up in a while. >> And it's I don't believe it's in their budget one bit.

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>> So that's where that stands. >> So these are your numbers from the schools. That's where we're at. He did not get back to me. So, it sounds like he is somewhere in Canada. >> You okay? >> Yeah.

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>> Somebody's got a man. >> Altoids. >> Yeah. You want to know >> schools budget stuff. >> Yeah. >> That's funny right there. >> So, up next is the 2027 budget

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discussion. You guys get emailed to you over the weekend, Friday at six o'clock at night. >> You guys got it. You got it. >> Is the I know we missed some capital. Is that in this packet?

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>> Yes, there should be a capital >> at the end >> in the packet. Mine has a paper close on it. Yeah. Yes. Oh, we have our own. Not the one. Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. >> This is This is the caffe.

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>> Yes. Yes. Yes. I I had to go to Staples and get it printed out because I didn't dare wait till Monday and have someone tell me I never opened it. All right. So, let's go through capital first. What is in red is stuff we hadn't voted

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on street acceptance 20,000 Isn't that usually in every year? >> Checking on it because we thought we didn't have any. >> I did check on it. Um Alvin checked with Mr. Gddard who

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kind of it wasn't that way who was in charge. They said it could go down to five. Nicole thinks we should leave it at 20 because there is a few road issues coming our way. I don't think it affects the sweet acceptance, but nowadays, who knows

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>> how it all ends up, >> right? >> So, that's one of them, we should vote on that while we're looking at it. >> Okay. >> So, all those in favor for street acceptance say I.

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>> What? put a motion or we just >> Yeah, we make a Sure. Make a motion. While you want to um That's a no. All right, I'll make Okay, I'll make the motion for the 20,000 acceptance. I'll second. You'll second.

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Okay. >> Joe DB Iron May I >> Sharon Alton I >> doesn't need to vote. W Conway I from FBI. >> So my understanding though that is for street acceptance. So it's not like they

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can grab it and use it somewhere else. >> Why hadn't we voted on this before? >> Um usually it just runs on the budget but it's sitting in capital this year. >> You know what I mean? Usually it was in our landing. >> It's there. We'll vote on it. computer

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new PC laptop docking station computer equipment standard request 15,000 >> that I believe the Jim Middleton world >> that's Jim's our IT guy >> yeah I'll make the motion >> Paul Connelly made the motion I'll

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second that all those in favor Joe Deini I >> may no >> Sharon I sign. I >> David. >> Okay. >> Uh $2,850

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for our handicap accessibility. So, that's been in the budget forever and they try to make improvements apparently when it comes to the handicap world and whatever issues we may or may not have here at Town Hall. But they didn't identify a specific place that

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they want to do it. >> Town Hall, I think. Then home. >> Yeah. Th Well, there's no Everything else seems to have a description. >> Oh, I see. >> In the third column, >> so I thought maybe that

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>> they knew where they were spending it. >> We have handicap issues that need to be addressed. >> Um, >> we do this every year. So, in the last few years we have I know we like lowered the tables in the other room and there was an handicap issue there. Um I think it goes towards our hand

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railings when the plows accidentally hit them in the winter time. Anything to do with ADA issues is my understanding. Um I don't think they go out and look for projects. It's just >> you know that that occurs

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>> um unless there you know our biggest issue honestly is over by the clerk's office. build a set of stairs. >> Then I think we got a waiver for that years ago. >> Um but that's not a $2,500 fix. That's a >> No, I'm going to beat him up for $3,000. I'll make the motion. Yeah.

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>> All right. So, made the motion. I'll second that. All those in favor? Joby. The >> I Sherry. Alai David. >> Thank you. Canal Brook Beaver Dam and Log

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removal. >> Removal. Thank you. Lake restoration remove beaver dams and logs. They're at 5700. In the past, it was 3,000. This is all screwed up.

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Can you look that up for her quicker than me >> or no? >> Um, I'm sure she could. I'm sure she could. Lake Lake restoration canal, Brook, Beaver Dam, and log removal. It's an area for 5700. I was wondering what it was the last two years.

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I thought it was a lot lower, but then we got hit with a >> what do we call the money that they charge at the >> revolving accounts? >> Yeah, >> the boat ramps. >> H, good question. >> What do they use that for? >> It's

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Pel Brook. Is that a South Pond? That will be the south pond exit. >> Um, now Ronell Brook could be, >> but it's middle pond. It' be great. >> Harbor master maybe he could tell us. Is the uh >> Canal Brook part of Louis? >> Where is the Canal Brook?

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>> Canal Brook is all the way through >> in the end >> South right so that's used to keep the water flowing. They'll tell us 25 we budgeted 3,000 in 26 we did uh 5,700.

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>> Okay. It's your pleasure folks. Make the motion for the 5700. Yep. >> Boat ramp. Boat ramp revolving account. So >> current balance is $16,000 expended

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26 25 >> 16 left. >> So 16 left. Yeah. 16 left down here. >> Yeah. current balance. >> Can the revolving account be used towards this >> using the salaries

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for all the attendants too? >> So why don't we >> and we're just we're going into the season now, >> right? But they've already spent >> they spent 20 25,000 last year for salaries. Um, there's 16,000 left, which

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means then >> and 16,000 left. So, >> and this is $5,700, >> right? >> I mean, so we could make a provisional vote and uh if if it's available,

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we'll ask that they use it from the revolving. And if it can't for some reason, then we'll have voted on it to approve it. Is that something we can do? >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah, because we're not going to be done

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tonight anyways. Um >> or we can just table it until we get an answer, but it's up to you. >> No, Laura wants numbers. I don't want to push them for being pushed. >> So, let's make a motion for the 5700 and

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if if allowed use out of their account, they can pull it out of there. Okay. Yep. >> That make sense, Laura? Are you okay with that? I'm I'm okay with that. >> Yeah. Okay. I made the motion. I already made the mot made the motion. I'll second the motion.

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>> Thank you. >> Trying. >> Okay. Thank you. All those in favor Joe I >> Sher I Rul with I >> David I channel 15 Capital. This will be out of

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free cash revenue from state access account and there's no month that >> but it's over on our >> Do you have any idea if there's going to be any capital for um Santa 15?

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>> It said zero on on your sheet. >> I don't know. I I don't know. >> Yeah, >> because I normally for that capital. It usually comes right out of a channel raise money.

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>> No, it does. Right. >> Y it's not coming out of free. It wouldn't out of free cash, but if we were, we would need to just know. >> But usually we vote on what they're going to do. >> What we're going to do, but >> Right. >> It showed it at zero on the on the

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paperwork here. Well, we're going to go through this anyways. All right. So, we'll leave that alone. The only I want to bring up the copier. The first thing we said no to that. That's in the accounting department. I I

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kind of think they could use a copier. I don't think that's where you cut a copier. Got to have a copier. You know what I mean? I don't know. Just got to have it. >> Thoughts. >> They are what they are. Just like

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>> Sorry, but I'm saying. Okay. >> All right. >> Can I say something? >> Yeah. >> Um, so out of every office, the accountants's office needs a printer that works and is functioning and is

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fast. Um, look at all the paper that you guys have here that comes out of the accounting office. I really agree with Joe and I I've said this all along that if anybody needs a printer, it really is the accounting office. If anybody can't go without, it's the accounting office.

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It's not even like we have this main area that has a, you know, big printer and it's a it's got all the central office equipment. We don't. Everybody has their own. And I think, you know, it just burdens a different office if they had to go in and use theirs. I really

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truly think um for the investment, it's really worth it for our staff to have the equipment that they need in their office on a daily basis. >> I agree with you. That's the of all things. I was like, you know, maybe they could grab the police department's

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copier. That's the newest. And we could give them a used Oh, I'm sorry. Here. >> Sorry about that, Chief. Multi-function printers. They're they're printers and they're copiers, right? >> They're copier. Scanner scanner. >> Yeah, it's a it's that big. Yeah.

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>> Um is I mean I is there a lot of printing that um that doesn't have to be done because we can pass documents electronically or what have you? Are we giving you know are we are we giving um citizens who walk in and request things

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hard copies when we could email them or anything like that? >> I don't think that's so much comes into the accounting office. >> Yeah. You know, that'd be the clerk and the other ones. And I think they do email everything they can. For sure. >> You know. >> Okay. Is it mostly printing that you do

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throughout the day and not copies? >> It can be. It can be both. Yeah. >> You know, we use it, you know, printing our POS. We use it for, you know, printing. >> And you have an old one now. What was the story in that? So, >> yeah, it was I think we bought it in

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2017 or 18. Oh. is when we >> had replaced it. So >> I'm guessing >> it's true. >> All right. So I have a question. >> Uh has anybody ever looked at because I mean every year have the same discussion

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>> every three years we discuss the center area >> horse carriage came to the town of Southwood. >> Yeah. >> So has anybody looked at gone to a company and go what would it take for you to come into the town of South go through every office assess their needs?

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Some people just need a basic printer. Some needs one little coate and make books. Okay. So, um we just beat this to death every single year. My wife worked at a place where they lease the copers.

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>> Yeah. >> The people come in and serviced them. If the thing broke, they brought in a new one. They paid by the copy. Has anybody done the research where if we took have somebody come in and go through >> we do that in some offices

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>> go through the police fire >> town hall whatever >> we are absolutely streamlining becoming much more efficient >> and you know because >> the accounting office still needs the printer. >> It just seems like we just beat this to death every single because every single year somebody needs copier. Well, no kidding. Just like the police need

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cruisers. Well, we understand that. But >> yeah, >> if we had one company that came in and went, "This copier is junk. Well, it's your problem. It's on lease, so you replace it and let's let's keep going." So, as that I My question is, is what

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we're spending on copers every year will be more efficient. Getting into a lease program with one copier company that services a town and takes care of everything. We don't have to beat this to death every single year. That's my question. >> It may or may not be that cost effective. Well, we don't know until we

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research it. They're right. >> We we have done that and as I said, we do rent. We we do have a lease program with Kaisera. So, some offices do have that. And to be honest, some a lot of times it's not as cost effective as owning it. So, where it's appropriate, that's where we do it.

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>> Okay. Just my question. >> Yeah. And that whole market's changed. I mean, I don't think they, you know, they pay by the page, too. So, the inks include, you know, it's a whole different >> realm. Yep. >> Than what it used to be. >> Yeah.

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>> All right. So, I'll make a motion for the copy or is there a second? >> I'll second. >> All those in favor Joe DD I >> may shley I favor I In the back is where we got highway. Highway doesn't

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have anything on there. And we have sewer numbers on the back here. What was the hold on the paving million dollar hold byway department paving infrastructure? >> Um, we put a place marker of 4 million.

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Then it always boils down to what we actually can afford. >> All right. And I think honestly it's I got a million again. We're hoping for two, but >> yeah, >> that looks like it's going to be a million. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Get us

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>> doesn't get us anywhere. About a quarter mile road at the place of basketball. So, we're in trouble. God, >> isn't that fault anyway? >> It is what it is. >> That's cute. You're here all night.

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Awesome. You're waiters and waitresses. >> Yeah. Make sure you tip them off. All right. So, we're good with capital R. That's everything in red. >> That's everything in except for I guess water and

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>> there's nothing in red there, though. >> Well, it's nothing in red, but we had some question marks. >> Yes. >> Yep. >> The grinder. >> Absolutely right. grinder pumps >> and they were

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you'll see in their packet that they wanted the 60,000 >> right the brand >> this is board rock bucket roll off wiring air container more

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right grinder pump 60,000 with collection mark where did we end up did we end up at 40 you recall or did we just wait? >> I sure you guys were all over the way. It was a question, >> right?

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>> A question mark. >> Okay. >> So, I think every year, last few years, they've asked for 60. Um, what we were told this year, what some of us might have known or not known was it also does include the grinder pumps at the pumping stations. >> Right.

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So, as y'all know, they're bigger units than the ones for the houses. >> So, what is our pleasure, folks? >> Do they lose the 60? >> You know, I I we've never given them 60. I think between them, we're at 40. If if

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the last >> So, it's been 425. >> Thank you. >> By 25 and 26. >> Okay. first. >> Yeah. You know, >> yeah, >> then. Yeah. Start with 40 and if they do go over and they need money, they can always come back to us and we'll

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>> consult there. >> Yeah. Theirs is the separate budget. We generally don't they have to fund their own stuff. >> She says she approved that her notes say that we everybody approved 60,000. What's that?

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>> Yours got a question mark. >> Well, I'm gonna be honest with you. At the end of the day, I don't care what we approve, we don't have all the money. So, so whether it's 40 or 60, >> right? You know, there's a dance that's going to have to happen here shortly. So,

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so where do we want to be? 40 or 60? >> 40. >> 40. What's your pleasure? >> Let's go 40. >> Okay. I need a motion to make it 40,000. >> Make the motion. >> Paul made the motion. I'll second the

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motion. We are at 40,000. Joe DD I >> Sherry Ali. >> Yeah. >> So when the selectman meet next week, they can look at their number and see if they want to change it. >> Yep. >> Inspection. This is where we said no,

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right? Yeah. 25,000 for the the blockage that went away. We said no to that. Uh the permit we couldn't say no to that's 10,000 replacement we said no to the saw we said yes 3100.

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>> So the going back to the water department. >> Yeah. So the two So the water tank inspection, they wanted the 10,0004. Um and then the hydrant replacement,

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they wanted the 15, >> right? >> Um they took out the saw. >> They took the saw out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So the saw is gone. >> This going to be retained earnings. >> Yeah, it is retained earnings in the end.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> There's retain. >> But we had that discussion too, like it's great that it's retained earnings. What's in there? And are we are we above water? Because you know, some of the stuff we do Oh, ask them. At the end of the day, if we don't have the money, >> right? Right. >> It's everyone.

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>> No, I know. I'm with you. >> So, we said no to the hydrants. They said no to the saw. Exterior pressure washing was a yes. And then that was a a nurled for the u phase of South Longard and Babro Loop,

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>> right? >> I know the 10,000 uh online we have a uh we said no to the song. We said no to the tank cleaning. I believe the tank cleaning though fell fell under the uh folks telling us we

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had to do it. I don't think it was an option. >> Yeah, I think it's the state man. Yes, we got to do it. Yeah. Y >> that's where that came from. Yeah. So, I leave that in. Okay. So, we're good there. Laura, >> so the water tank or clean.

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>> Yeah, we have Yes. on it. Yeah. Cleaning. >> And I think the way it's written in our book was it's it was through the was in charge of water with us, right? The state or whatever it is. >> State. Yeah. State mandated. >> State mandated to clean. >> They don't pay for mandate.

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Hydrants are still out. >> Yeah. >> Yep. Okay. >> Um, Elizabeth, can you just make a note to email DPW? I'd like to know how many hydrants they actually have in stock. >> I know we hit a double every year and

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insurance pay form and yada yada yada. We got at least make sure there's one or two there. And I think there is. I just asking. Okay. Yep. All right. Is the water loop in?

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>> It's out. Yeah. >> So, is the rolloff truck in out in >> and basically we discussed this as a group, but there was a few things we missed that just didn't transfer over and that's why >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's here today. >> Okay.

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>> Um the shed salt shed roof is in. Yep. Okay. And that's the entire one. Yep. The truck is out because we're going to play the game with the truck. Message door is out. This kid seuckets out. We

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said a million for roads. Do I dare ask more about the number on the back? totals without borrow 881 >> and then it drops down if you added the beaver dam the handicap the street acceptance computer

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>> with the if I did everything right >> we're up to um 96 in the $25 >> 969 >> but that's where that's including water and sewer you're just Yeah. Yeah. >> Which will bump out cuz of retain

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earnings. I get it. >> Yep. >> And what was the thought? Was it a million sitting in free cash for that? >> Yep. We got a million for the all this capital >> right there. So that that that we're okay there.

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And that'll go on the special. Um, it can either a special so it can get done right before June 30 >> or we can leave it as it's always been in the annual budget but just under each department that has the capital in it, >> right?

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>> You know, so every year you have the capital in your in the department budget. >> Yeah. >> So it can go either way. But if to use it this year to use it before June 30, you know, like >> we we have to do it like now. We have to put that in the special. >> Yeah. like and there's probably certain

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things that you'd want to get back. >> There's still 200 left from that other borrowing that has to go on to the special annual, right? So >> 200,000 outside,000, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And does that have an earmark yet? >> No.

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>> So that could go towards a fire truck. >> It can go toward the fire truck >> deposit. >> Yep. Yep. >> What? >> I mean I don't know. So, I had an opinion from the attorney that said that it just has to be reappropriated. So,

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>> correct. >> Somebody else had said it has to stay within a general, >> right? What was it for? >> It was for the town hall HVAC room. >> Okay. >> So, they say it should stay, but if it gets reappropriated at town meeting, that means the town meeting people have

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reappropriated that money somewhere else. So, I think that could be threat anything, >> right? Um, so yeah, if if that was the case that could you lower the amount on the truck. >> Yeah, I would want to first confirm with

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it being >> reappropriated to thinking like maybe the library roof and the salt shed roof and kind of keeping it in the same >> roof category.

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>> And but that doesn't equal 200. Yeah. Well, 200, but generally that would >> Well, it's close because that roof the library is at 100 now. It's not it's not 50 anymore and they're they're at 64. So, there you go. You're 64. >> Just 35 left. If we

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>> Yeah. >> use that for a few small things, maybe a printer. >> Well, if you can reappropriate it that way. I mean, either either way it's there. Like we talked about know for sure from a very experienced attorney. >> Okay.

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So that's just more questions. All right. So we're okay with the capital. We come in under Did you put the copier in there, too? >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, we're still under the million. That's That's the case. There's 200 grand floating around that may or may

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not be able to use towards some of this and then a deposit on the fire truck. So, that could be ordered. Okay. Next up, I have the go this see that which one's that

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page. >> Yeah. Well, that's basically what we talked about, right? But level funded 5% or 10% cuff. Yep. That definitely means we're short 2.2.

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There's 3.8 sitting in the free cash. And the free cash left is in the end would be 1,600,000. So if we put that million towards our capital projects, that'll leave roughly 600 to roll over to the following year. >> Yeah. >> We normally leave that closer to a

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million when times are good. >> Yep. >> Times ain't good. >> Times ain't good. So that'll that'll roll the way it rolls. Um what so what contributes to the free cash

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other than investments you know that >> so whatever we don't use this year will roll over to next year's free cash once it gets certified. >> All right. Is that likely does that happen pretty much >> some years it's 4 million some years I don't know

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>> we're blessed that it's 4 million right now. I think that gets us out of the hole this year. >> Yeah. um >> next year I don't I don't see it because your new growth is also you know you look at everything and our new growth is quiet this year and our new growth is going to be probably quiet next year

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>> realistically. >> Yeah. Based on interest rate and all that happy >> Yeah. And the state's not going to run to you know all of a sudden >> give us money for the schools or so >> no not with the current administration. They're they sure will not be doing

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that. So, and we're lucky, right? So, next year if we're going to So, and this of course is that this is going two and a half% right up to the levy. Nicole, >> I'm sorry. >> In general, that the these numbers that we're looking at that includes

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>> Yeah, we go two and a half, right? We're not at our levy by any means, but we are going we do go up to two and a half every year. >> Is that what you meant? I'm sorry. I was >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you normally don't go up to the levy though. >> No, no, >> no. >> You don't want to do that, right? Hey, you can't roll over that.

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>> No, no, understood. But >> say that again. >> We'll be under the levy limit as long as you >> stick with these numbers. >> Stick with these stick with these numbers. >> Yeah, we're getting closer every year, but you you know, we don't want to be

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like other towns that are going up to their ceilings and >> No, no, understood. But I thought our original number showed a 2 and 12% levy and then it showed the free cash that got us to that number. >> So it's really not the 2 and 12%. It's close but it's not. >> I still don't understanding. >> Yeah, you got me confused.

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>> When our original paperwork came out weeks ago, it showed our a levy limit of 2 and a half% and they showed us the free cash gave us the 740. >> Yeah. Oh, you mean the two and a half plus our >> Yes. What we had over last year, >> right? >> Yeah.

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>> Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I don't know. >> But in the end, we're not >> we don't do two and a half then. >> We never have. But it's just in theory with the two and a half% and our our new growth. That's the number that came up

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to the seven. That's what we originally saw. >> Right. And that's when we said, "Oh my god, there's no there's no new growth. It's not, you know, we're not rocking and rolling." >> So that's where we're at. But but these numbers we're not going to hit being told we're not going to hit the 2

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and 12% increase. >> So why wouldn't we want to hit the 2 and 1 half%? >> Why would you want to go? >> Why wouldn't we want to do that? >> We add two and a half over last year. So you your levy limits >> if we can go two and a half. Why

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wouldn't we? >> We when she does the modeling for the revenues, she adds to the for last year's. >> It's just our budget. We never you never want to hit that. >> You don't want to go all the way up. >> You don't want to hit that number. We were always 20 cents, 30 cents. I mean, there's always been a little bit of room

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that we could have, but we didn't >> because we're conservative. I I know what you're saying. Why aren't we just banging the drum? If we needed >> if we needed it, that'd be one thing. Right. >> And I don't And we're not done. So, you

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know, I'm sure we're close to that number. >> Guaranteed, but I know you're saying, right, >> we are next year. >> We're we're getting to the point >> we're getting to the point where we're going to be next year. >> Not that I want my tax bill. >> No, no. Understood. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I understand what all

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the costs in the town are, >> right? >> And next year, I'll be surprised if we don't go for two and a half over, right? Only because the numbers are the numbers. The schools, you know, we have a great school system and we're being punished for that by the state literally, right? We're getting less and

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less and you folks just go find it. And as much as we and the school now is understanding, I mean, the last meeting that went to on a Monday night, you know, um Mr. Stevenson, we had some real frank public discussions, but you know the thought is

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yeah, we're next year we're really looking for what is the minimum contribution needed from Southwick is basically what came out of that discussion. So that as you saw that little extra I maybe it wasn't me to speak but I kind of said you know we

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don't have it you know so next year we really don't have it and the thought process was to start in the summer going over next year's budget. So all three select boards are invited all three finance committees are invited and the public's invited. So, if it comes down

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to cutting track or cutting soccer, it's going to be a decision from the town to make for real dollars. You know what I mean? It's not going to be just us going, "Oh, this is how we're going to do it or just the school." It needs to be a community project to find out where our funds are coming from.

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>> We're going to be in South Adley's position. >> We are going to be in South and we're not alone. We're not This isn't the only town in the world doing a lot more. >> Yeah, there'll be a lot more. I mean, we're we're we're blessed. We got four million. Woo. Right. Next year, I don't see us buying a truck.

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I don't I mean, I added up the fire department and what we spend every year right now for the capital projects over there, and it's just under 400,000 automatically, just the interest and and the principal. And that doesn't go away for some of it's 15 years at least,

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>> you know. So, and and we're not alone. It's just going to keep adding up. So, we borrow a million this year for the roads. That's another 130,000 next year against, you know, just starting out. >> We're already in debt. And forget free

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free cash next year. Forget new growth. >> Here's our number that we're going to be stuck with. >> Point. Why would we borrow when we question, right? Why Why not get it from the taxes and not borrow it and incur the debt, the interest? We

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we wouldn't be able to get it from the pack. It's not there. >> I thought we weren't at the two two and a half limit yet. >> I think we're close. >> Okay. >> You know what I mean? >> All right. And then what is the levy and you said we shouldn't go we shouldn't we

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shouldn't get that, you know, get to the ceiling. >> We two and a half% overright, right? >> That's the levy. >> That's the max. So we're not there. So quantity, >> right? So there's I don't know 40 or 50 towns in Massachusetts now voting to bypass

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that 50 towns byass. >> Thank you. 50 and Hadley just had their vote. Right. >> And they said no. >> So they just started cutting and and and >> so they gave them three options and they voted all three down. Three down. >> So now schools you that they're going to

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have to win. So obviously you're going to win. You're going to cut cut sports. Everybody's going to be up in arms. But they they are they are the lion sh if you're going to make cuts, you have to look at the school cuz they're the big dog in the room. >> Yes, we all share

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>> 80% of our budget. We really can't cut these little 10 $15,000 budgets because they're operating at nothing to begin with. Yeah. But the schools, so if you're going to make a cut, you go to the big dog in the room. Well, what can we cut? And I mean, no one wants to cut sports because the parents are all great

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and but we got to do what we got to do. We have to live within our limits >> and uh it is what it is, right? >> So you have to make the tough decisions >> and I don't think anyone put us here. I don't think this was >> misguided over the years. It's just everything.

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>> We are where we are by storm. >> Literally. So we are where we are. I mean South as far as I know they and they have four schools. >> Apparently they have two fire chiefs and they have two water department heads. >> Yeah. Yep. And >> they're that big.

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>> And it's they they run a little different than we >> is. Now they actually I see their silt fence up there where the condos are. >> So I saw that they're going to be start doing that and that will be great new

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growth. There's the new growth for next year, >> right? It's not here right now. you know, and so, >> you know, you take your 2 and a.5% plus new growth could end up being 4% or 5% you can go up, right? >> But it's not done yet, so we can't count

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on that. >> No. >> You know, and and even if it was like the best case scenario when it all went in, we're still going to come up short. >> We're still come up short. So, no matter what we do, you know, I mean, we're always sitting here trying to fix the roads, but we never have the money to

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properly do it. And the only way you're ever going to do it is to go for either a prop 2 and a half override or a debt exclusion. And look what happened in South Hley. They gave them three options and they all failed. People are not going to buy it. So we have to do what we got to do.

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But then on the other hand, you it's it's like we can keep, you know, kicking the can down the road, but the problems never go away. They just they just keep expensive five million for road which was going to cost us X >> for X amount of years which

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>> you know there we go we're already going against next year with that number right >> and 5 million they'll probably polish that off in two years right >> so another five we still got the debt >> so 20 million is a lot of interest in >> it is absolutely >> and uh principal payments there

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>> so you know far exceeds what we're playing with now >> y >> so you know and I don't know how much longer we have on the school and piece the school's been 15 years on that school so far. >> Oh, that extra on our taxes. Yes. At least that. >> I don't think we actually passed that

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through. If you go back and look, we we authorized that, but I think we've absorbed it every year. We never actually went put on your taxes. >> On your excise tax >> and you get your excise tax bill. >> There's one on us at school. >> I thought that's what it was for. I said

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$24 or something like that. >> I don't know. >> I don't have to look. I don't get my bills anymore. they get directly signed. >> Yeah, I know in years past when we had another board had looked at it, >> um we never really went that route. We were allowed to but we absorbed and absorbed it and absorbed.

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>> Yep. So, >> do we ever look at the detail of the revenue side? I mean, I'm looking at last year's budget. >> Yeah. >> And we got 10 pages of detailed expenses and 10 lines of revenue. Where's the money come from?

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I don't know what you're looking at. >> This is >> revenue used for the annual budget. >> Yeah, >> we got 10 lines. What is it? What is I mean, we got a lot of, you know, interest income. I I'd

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like to know if we budgeted 200 grand and we made 400 grand. I'd like to know that. >> And where do we stand today? It's 10 months into the fiscal year. Are we projecting a surplus, a deficit based on budget? We we must have some idea.

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>> Well, we can really see how much has been expended. >> I mean, that's all I mean that's that's really doesn't tell anybody anything. >> Oh, I got you. Right. Right. >> So, >> you know, we got we got new sources of revenue. The you know, the pop places

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down the street. >> That's on room. >> Yeah. Right. We're I'm guessing that was not anticipated in those numbers. Maybe it was, but >> it wasn't. >> It wasn't. So that's $100,000, >> right?

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>> More has to go into our free cash. We can't >> you can't take the pot money and line it line item it somewhere. Okay. >> Just because of the revenue doesn't come the following year. Okay. So I believe it rolls into our free cash. So next year we'll see it's Yeah. 100 grand

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sitting there. Yeah. >> Yeah. I'd just like to know more about where is all the money coming from, >> right? >> Local receipts, you know, it's some of it is our um motor vehicle um >> excise tax

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>> excise tax, you know, which we estimated as about 1.2 um million. There's penalties and interest of 37,000 um in lie of taxes um 8,000 fees 30,000

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building permits 10,000 other license permits was 362,000 fines and forecures you know 14,000 investments 9,700 and miscellaneous rent revenue um 8,300.

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So, those, you know, are some of the local receipts. You have your state aid >> um money that comes in um and then you have some of >> the

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um you get some um receipts from the um EMS ambulance service. >> We do. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So, and then the water and the sew would have had their own revenue sources. Um, and some money comes in from the overlay

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>> that's what this says. 14 million roughly raise and appropriate free cash was 3 million. The C cable peg which we talked about channel 15 was 42,000. The sale of lots was 6,000. I'm assuming that's cemetery. >> Cemetery. >> Overlay surplus was 150,000.

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Recycling grant zero. Sewer capital funds is 23,000. Sewer retained earnings is 60. Water retained earnings zero. And that got you to your 18 million

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in revenue. >> Yeah, but I understand what you're saying. >> Yeah, >> it'd be nice to see a actual breakdown, >> right, >> Laura? our DPW. I know when the metal leaves, right, that's recycled. Is that where does that money come in? Does it

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come in? >> The recycling. >> Yeah, >> it comes in through I don't know which category. >> No, no, but it does come through. It just goes in the general fund. >> Yep. Fund, right? >> Yeah. Okay. Of course, I was asked about that. So,

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all right. So, that's the 10%. That's what we're looking at. So paying 1.1 million for 15 years is 112,000 principal interest. Okay. The fire engine for 1 million 15 years is 120,000. So like we said, so next year

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already we're at 233,000 just with that. And then the MUN fiber is 127,000 it looks like as an estimate. I don't know where they are with that. Um I know they used up the money from CO

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>> Yeah. >> and all that and I guess they're going to have to explain that uh up top when they get to it. But it sounds like they're going to take that. So the 3 million that we have sitting there we never borrowed, >> right? >> We got authorization and it sat there.

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So, it sounds like they're going to go in for that. So, it'll probably be short-term borrowing to get it rolling and then we'll see the bigger number um hopefully once revenue starts coming in like they're anticipating. All right, page two

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the same decrease. So, That shows you what the pre-cache was. The communication tower was 220. Snow and ice was 452,000. And then the OPED is 25, which leads you to 3.8.

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Oh, there you go. Right. The school loan is 1,390,000. Can you find out, Elizabeth, when that's going to be done? No. You know what I mean? Just wondering what year that might be. >> That's a huge number. >> That was what? That was $80 million they

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to renovate all the schools. >> Yeah. probably 25 year deal. >> Yeah. At least at least 20. I know. They said tell me and they they basically stood up and they said if you vote this in it's going to cost it $300 of your taxes will go to satisfy that one debt.

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>> Yes. >> And that's 12 years ago wherever. So yeah. I mean it is what it is. >> It's got to be closer to >> bet you 15. >> I don't think we're that far along but yeah it could be. >> Well I was upstairs from nine and that was before that. Or was it? Oh, no. It

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was during that, wasn't it? Right at the beginning, I think. But I was in the auditorium. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We still got a ways to go. >> Yeah, we do. >> Probably got seven or eight years left. >> That would be a nice debt to retire. >> It will. That's what I was getting at. Right. >> Just shy of being >> What's that? I think >> it's just shy.

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>> Just shy shy of the 15. >> Yeah. >> There you go. Five or 10. So, in five years, we'll be able to pay the roads. So, just hang in. >> Where did you see that? >> Um, a second page. >> Second page. Sorry about that. Say school assessment

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and then school loan. I'm assuming the school loan was the big one >> was the addition right here. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Y >> that's what I'm assuming. >> So after next year that was

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>> No, no, no. We still got >> to five to 10 years on that one. Yeah. >> I'm not sure if it was a 20 or 25 year. Um, >> yeah. I don't know. I don't But like you said, we're in the work for like Yeah. We still got a little bit left. Yeah.

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>> But yeah, so $300 your tax bill over here. >> And that but we originally we never went and did that. We never went out and made that. >> What? >> You know what I mean? Yeah. If not that you're going to do it now, but revenue

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stream, right? If literally. Yeah. Sorry. Was that on an override? You can put 300 search charge on on the taxes, >> I believe. So, the school assessment that was that was a debt exclusion. It

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wasn't an override. It was so No, right. That exclusion was done. >> Yes. I'm just saying that now I'm saying over >> we never put it on as a full assessment on your tax bill, right? We've never done that, >> but there's dollars sitting there,

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right? Should we be tickling what we're going to tickle next year? You you may want to look at saying, "Oh, >> we carried it this far, right? >> We're done carrying it." >> Bill and you get there. >> Yeah, if that's the case, >> I can do some research on that. But yeah, that'd be a million more a year.

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That >> Yeah. Yes, it's a good chunk, I think. Yeah, >> that's Yeah, especially if you're not getting it through the free cash or growth. >> Yep. Yep. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, any questions on that? >> Nope. >> All right. You got your budget in front

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of you and range% decrease salaries. Um, if you guys have time to look through it, all I found was the street acceptance which we talked about in our capital.

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Um my other question was pull from involving the town conservation but she sent us a letter to conservation in regards to what they can use it for conservation wetland fees local wetland

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fees lake permitting revolving account. Okay. And we're asking about supplies. So money may only be expanded from the fund to offset a portion of costs associated with administrating the wetlands protection act. They cannot be used for any other purpose. For a few

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years these funds were mistakenly deposited into the general fund. Last year I started putting these fees into the correct account and I have not expanded on any of the funds. These fees are for things like office supplies,

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field supplies, consultation, and legal. Okay, so conservation under supplies there was 800 and now they're at 1250 for 26 budget and they left it for the

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10% decrease. They did not do that for the uh 27 10%. So money mailing be expended. Okay. Mistakes deposit last year. These fees are for things like office supplies, field supplies, and consultation legal.

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the way I read that then you could probably leave it at 800 and she can pull the rest out >> under the conservation. Anyone else reading it that way or is it >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Does that make sense, Laura?

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I'm sorry. >> Yeah. I just don't know whether this applies to the Westlands B applications or you know or general that's the only way Elizabeth, may I get a question, please?

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>> Under the final board capital, they have the $20,000 for the street acceptance, >> right? >> That's what it used to always be, but we saw we saw it under our capital >> when we went through the capital list. >> So, is it interpolation?

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>> Nope. That's all that's probably why it's zero here. >> Oh, and okay, you follow me? Decrease zero. Okay. >> Right. But it's sitting in our capital set. >> Okay. Just like the police department with the alarm system, they had a little bit for the the um

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animal shelter, but technically it was all in the main budget. >> So, I think it's the same theory. >> So, lake permitting revolving account. The permit fees of the local permitting program are deposited into this resolving account and may be expended by the police and conservation commission

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to pay for salaries, expenses, operations. These fees currently pay for LBP administrator and for the sticker permits themselves. Permit fee for local fees for police and

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conservation commission pay for salaries and expenses. Well, if it's conservation, is the um the beaver dam considered expense? I think we should charge him rent. The beaver. Yeah.

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She was fair. Okay. But I think they got a sticker. I think they're okay. So Elizabeth, can you make another note for me, please? >> About lake permitting from the Beaver Dam. If any of us can come out of that

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uh revolving account. >> Well, that's how we approved it. >> I know we approved it, but >> you know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> And we can always minus. It's so much easier to minus than it is to ask for a plus, >> you know.

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>> And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It's nothing else. >> I find that hard to believe. >> Yeah. >> Can I ask a question? >> Sorry. >> Okay. Um, did we find out whether she could use that money that she gets from the state for the polling pad? >> They were looking into that.

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>> No update. >> Okay. >> Okay. Elizabeth, >> I know there was some money that I feel bad. >> No, keeping I know keeping her in a job. >> Oh, yeah. With the job already. >> The next day she's very quiet.

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>> It is what it is. >> What are you calling for? That list? >> Yeah, that list. >> Yeah. >> All right. Okay. So, street acceptance we talked about, it's sitting in our capital that we reckon they took out cuz they can get that when they're revolving. Economic development

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is the same. So, there's a zero for increase in supplies. Okay. Yeah. All right. The hardware software maintenance went up. Is that a Jim Middleton thing? >> It's just a fixed cost for our

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contracts. >> I thought we were going to We're not We're not >> right. >> Okay. Same with the managed service provider. I imagine that's why that went up. Well, it didn't go up. It's just 200,000.

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>> Yeah, I think we talked about that, too. >> So, Understood. You're in the room. So, I'm going to ask computer capital, new PCs, laptop, docking station, town hall zeroed. But we talked about that under

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capital I. Thank you. Y >> the website is done. Post meter and post. It's two different things. under town hall operations. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. One is paying for the postage

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meter. >> Okay. >> And then the postage itself. >> And postage itself. >> You think they give you up right on the meter? >> They do it on the meter. Yeah. >> And the printing and binding went to zero. What was that?

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That's not our books for the Tommy Eden. Nothing. >> No, that's under >> Yeah, I think I saw it further down. >> Further down. >> Yeah. >> So >> that I think the seals we've taken out of that, but that could come under

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supplies. I think >> that's fine. It's zero. I just want to know where it was. >> All right. So the copier is in the handicap accessible. We talked about boiler. are doing awnings is zero

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under police salary school resource officer. So chief that we're good. They're just the schools billing their way different when it comes to the towns. Nothing to do with us. Correct. >> Correct. >> Thank you, sir. >> We're just

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eventually merge those three lines together. >> What's that? >> The SRO and the SRO holiday >> and the incentive. Yeah, >> you're putting them together. I put them together one line item >> but I wanted >> separate it for now so we see see why

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it's increased >> see why this line increased and you see further down the other line decreased. >> Yes. Thank you for that. >> Yeah. >> And that includes just one or both of them. >> That's just the one >> the one that we needed to get up to the

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other one. >> Okay. >> Thank you, Lauren. >> Well, that's not >> All right. So we we pay for that and the school does not pay for that. Is that >> way back when he was talking about the horse and the buggy? >> Yeah.

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>> Um South decided that we needed we didn't go to the other towns. >> We funded it in our budget and said to the school there you go because as you know where the world's at. We thought we needed one. >> Since then the school then turned around

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two years ago and said we could use a second resource officer. That one went to all three towns to to pay, not just us. And now what they're doing is taking the original one >> and kind of breaking up his dollars to all three towns

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>> is the best way to properly say that. Y >> So each town will be paying a portion of their dues on these officers and they gets really sticky about what they do in the summer and and blah blah blah blah blah and who should be paying for that. So they pretty much all worked that out

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is my understanding. And um here we are. >> Yep. >> What Doug Mogan was worried about is if the school took it over in their budget and as we talked about Hadley, first thing Hadley cut was their resource officers >> because they could. You know what I

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mean? Yep. >> So that's where Doug was coming from like you know I don't want to see these guys ever go away >> because of a budget cut >> and that's what he was you know crusading for at the time. >> Okay. So, I'm on page six.

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My question cruiser maintenance. See if I see that going way down. >> We're going to roll the dice. Well, you had to cut somewhere, right? I got you. Okay. The same mission. There you go. School resource officer.

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Right. That's what you talked about, right? >> Yep. >> I had a question mark there. Yeah, >> because some of it, you know, when we first did the budget, we kind of had their salary line benefits. >> Broke it out. >> Thank you.

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>> A little better. >> So, we talked about all the stuff under police capital already. items last year. We're going to page six, page seven. Sorry. We took out the AC compressor because we

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found the money sitting over there. And the elevator coil is at zero here. But was it in the capital? or we're not going to do it. >> No, I thought it was still on my >> I thought we approved it. What's that?

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>> It's in there. Thank you. Rob Stevenson just uh woke up or whatever. He's he's he found us. So, he's going to zoom in in two minutes >> so we can answer any questions we might have about the school >> or at least let him go over that way to work with us.

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>> Can't hurt. >> Okay. >> So, when you see him, you can just put him in the waiting room. He always wanted to do that. He's in the waiting room. Will the inspector salary up certification is move?

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books includes page eight. Right. Question. Vehicle maintenance e emergency management. I thought they got rid of all their vehicles. I know they got rid of the the big truck. They got rid of the box of truck and the bus. Right. And the bus.

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Well, they all left. Okay. Bingo. All right. So, Elizabeth, another question. Vehicle maintenance, emergency management. I know they got a couple generators left on trailers. >> Yeah, bro. >> Yeah, but that's all I know about.

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>> Okay. How do I get to the link? >> Really? >> Really? >> Through the agenda on the town website. Hi, go to that town website, hit finance committee's agenda, and you should be able to click right on it. I

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hope that helps. >> Sorry. >> What? >> Sarah comes across. >> I mean, I just I don't if I had the agenda, I'd send it to him. Okay. So, we got from vehicle maintenance, right? antenna replacement

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they're doing or or adding to it as we talked about animal control stipens salary animal control increase in commerce and travels is zero he's got it he's done

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hey while you're back chief just so emergency management they got no more motorized vehicles right just the trailers maybe the gentleman with the trailers who? >> Uh, good question. They got rid of the deuce and a half. They got rid of the bus. >> Yeah. >> There's still a trailer kicking around, but right there was some generator.

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>> Okay. >> I know you was talking at one point about them maybe taking one of the old um insters, but not materialized. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Thank you, sir. >> What's the last? Okay.

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and we'll control total x is zero. So Laura, all the electric that we bumped up in the last few weeks, >> do they go back down to where they were? Are they going to stay up? Like the library one in particular?

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Um, I think with the library, I don't think they bumped up their electricity in the 10%. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> But they probably should know because they're going to need it >> and it would help their number, wouldn't it? >> It

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>> honestly. Yeah. >> All right. So, Elizabeth, just make a note >> for me to email Nicole and ask her about that >> because that would help her. that would help everyone's number when it comes to the library >> and they're close now anyways. So

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library was gonna we haven't touched it yet, but you Oh, you read it. I didn't read it until after I made a million phone calls. >> I read it. >> Not the way to do things. All right. So lake management buoys and moorings

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that's under our capital, correct? >> Oh, Rob can't join from Canada. I'm pretty sure there's a tariff you can pay. >> You're probably right. >> Just make sure you put >> Thank you for trying. >> Make sure you put a at the end of it. Yeah.

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>> Like just one a. >> Yeah. A d a >> He'll get it. >> He'll get it. >> If he doesn't, he doesn't deserve it. All right. Booms and Morans are zero, but that was in our capital anyways. >> Y >> Okay.

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>> Replace security cameras. There's nothing here for 900. I think that was in our capital. >> Isn't he paying for that out of an account? Didn't we talk about that? >> Yeah, I think we did talk about that, right? The revolving >> I think so. >> Yeah. Yep.

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>> H9. >> 57 we spoke about earlier. >> Canal Brook. We talked about that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Paving projects, construction. We already talked about that. >> Yeah. >> Paving infrastructure, solid roof. We talked about it's all under capital. So, it's all going to go back in here

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anyways for the budget. Yeah. or perspective. >> Sorry. >> On page 10, there's a budget $200,000 256 to 60 remaining at 60. How much should we

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spend it? So, we know we have more storms. So we're using >> I I know we complete we spent 450,000 for everything. >> Okay. What the breakdown is who knows I don't know. >> I just 25 200 down to 60.

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>> But isn't that one of the accounts that we leave at a certain amount? >> We leave it at 60. We can overspend. Correct. >> We can overcome. You can legally overend. >> We just can't go below this. >> Right. So it's showing 25 because we

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were actually done with 25. Technically, we're still in 26, so it's budgeted 60. So, we don't need to see the move. >> Yeah. >> You're just funny. What's that? You're what? Don't worry.

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You're good. You don't want to know. >> Oh, god. Only question I had street roads and name signs $3,000. It was 12,000. Okay. And 25. We went down to five. So now it's at three. So I

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guess that's okay. That's within. >> There could be just less to be done. Maybe they drove around. Take a quick look. >> Those kids stealing. >> Yeah, just did not steal the signs. It was fine. Yeah. >> Yeah. Make a note of that. Right. >> They lowered the budget on repair. So

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the greeners sign >> the year we had to buy all those signs for >> Yes, we did. >> They really did steal signs. >> No, no, no. >> If you go by North Pond, you see a few extra signs up. >> Oh, >> yeah. >> Yeah. Sometimes

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>> that nobody obeys but the signs. The signs are up and now they can leave. >> Sorry, I never go over. I'm not a beach person. I'm terrible. I know. >> That becomes out of season right now. >> Out of season. >> Summer help labor for DPW engineering is

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a zero. But I'm assuming that's not the DPW summer health. That's different. Down below solid waste. They had the looks like the trash fees went down 25,000 or is that where we just cut

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>> trash or they cut? >> They may have Yeah, I that would be a >> Okay. >> And the trailer maintenance must be the trailer that is the office. >> That's the office >> for 5,000 a year. We maintain it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Elizabeth,

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thank you. >> What the heck do you do for five grand? >> There's a class A RV. >> Well, the bath. >> No, I I know. I just want >> the bath. I want to hear it. The bathroom is in there and they have to pay somebody to come in and empty up,

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>> but I want to see it. >> There's more than it's just >> more to what you see. More than just the trailer. >> So, that's my question. What do they pull out of that 5,000 is the question. Yep. Yeah, the electrical upgrades was in the

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original the 40 yard track I'm on page 11, sorry. >> Y >> 40 yard trash box was in the capital. They said no to the pads and the rolloff truck is in the capital. We know that. >> Did we kill that electrical upgrade or not?

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>> I I I thought it was in the capital. >> I thought it was I thought it was >> Yes. The Hans we keep telling them no to the pads. >> Yeah. To electrify the out. >> Dian's answer is we keep it. >> What's that?

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>> Diane's following. She says we keep it. She's got her notes handy. >> That's wonderful. Says >> we keep what though? We keep it. >> The wiring. >> Yeah, we figured that out. We're not as quick as her, but we we're getting it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

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>> She's She got the actual books all out, so she's comfortable and sees everything. All right. Council on aging. It looks like they're going to keep the shine coordinator. That's good. I was worried when that lady got left where I was going to end up.

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Page 12. No increase in classes. Library. We talked about you got a letter on all that. We're directly looking now for someone page 13. >> Oh, sorry. Back to the library. That was where we wanted to check on their

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electric >> electric. Right. It's not in there though, right? It's the same >> in there. It's the same. >> Yeah. at least pump it a little bit, you know, because the regardless I know why it went up because our our contract ran out and no one bought it, but I'm sure it's

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not going to go down, you know. And then are we channel 15? Are we making it just one line one line item now? >> I I would hope not. No, I don't believe it's going to end up being one line item I have

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not received. >> Sorry, what? I got to get my hearing aids back. I'm sorry. >> That I think will be >> separated somewhere. >> Separated >> somewhat. Okay. At the next >> at the next meeting. >> I just had it in my question. >> All right. So, down at principal, you

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can see what our payments are. Fire truck payment is 90,000 without interest. We were talking about that stuff that's the North Pond acquisition that all comes out of CPC though, doesn't it? >> The North Pond or did we end up

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>> the acquisition is on the town >> is on CPC. >> Well, there you go. So, 170 grand for North Pond. >> No, right. >> What's that? Road works 170 grand.

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>> Yes. >> And then North is 60. >> Northbound 60. Sorry. Yeah. Forgive me. >> Paving projects are showing 70,000 and that's just the capital side. You go to the next page and we can look at

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interest. There you go. Any product is 70,000 15 mill interest doesn't show it over here on principal. Municipal municipal fiber is not in there. So it'll definitely be a

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short-term borrowing on that once they get it rolling. So there you go. So So paving is 42,500 and interest for a million dollars for 15 years. >> Brokers comp >> and then 70. Yeah, I saw that workers

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comp went down. Why is that Laura? your rate your rate better. >> The rates are better. >> Oh, that's great. >> Or >> not as many accidents. So that >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's just more in line with

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>> Yeah. Um, and just to notate on the police accident, we just got the new policy in today. So that >> Oh, wow. >> is

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and it's now combined. It's police and fire. They used to have two different insurance companies. >> Yep. Um, so kind of so the police on that line is 71,225

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and on the fire accident it's $59,225 >> but then the total >> 130 130 450. So it comes the total line of that category is

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$497,949. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Are these all one-year terms or multiple year terms? One year. And I see property casualty and professional liability. >> So that

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>> that went up 100. >> Yeah, that's gone up. We've kind of combined the police indemnity, the >> the two bottom ones. >> The two bottom ones went up. >> Yep. >> We kind of just >> said, "Hey, here's this insurance policy. It covers this." Kind of broke

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out the workers comp. >> Okay. Um, we could have combined it in with that casualty, but I said we believe it. And then the other policies. >> Okay. >> Just trying to keep them. >> Yep. Thank you. The health, dental,

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retirement, unemployment, is that the health insurance that they're all speaking of changing? >> Yep. The health insurance. It's dental. >> So, that went up 250,000. Did they actually come up with a Is there publicly anything out there yet of

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what that is? >> No. >> Is that at the rate where we pay 50%. >> Yeah, >> that's that. Is that that line item? >> That's our piece. >> But that may be adjusted, but no one seems to know. >> I I had asked the question in a prior

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meeting that they had authorized them to go up to negotiate up to 70%. Well, I don't know what the real number >> and I never saw just >> a, you know, theoretical number how much that would add if they went to 70%. >> Gotcha.

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>> Okay. You know what I'm saying? So, >> I mean, I look at it here. If it's 300, you know, $20,000 and it goes up from 50 to 70. So, we're going to be over probably over in the $400,000 or what, you know? >> Well, we're at 250 now. It looks like it

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went up $250,000. >> Yeah. But they're not telling us, >> right? >> Why? >> Still they're in still. >> Oh, okay. >> What's that? They're still negotiating. >> I think. >> Oh, yeah. So, >> there'll be another unknown number. So,

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>> we're running out of time. >> Yes, we are. I mean, >> and we're running out. >> What are we doing now? >> This late in the game. We're sitting here doing this. This should have been done. >> Oh, yeah. About a month ago. Well, not a month ago, but at least that like right now we should have been just going,

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>> "Oh, okay. That's the number." >> Fires over your back if I stop lighting fires. Yeah. >> Just You're absolutely right. >> Just saying. >> No, I will get blamed for it. Okay. >> There's no doubt about it. >> Well, what you know. >> Yeah. So, the 250 is what they're

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thinking, I guess, with as they still negotiate. Okay. That's 14. No, mine goes to 18. >> Oh, mine's a little You know me and my number. >> I know. No. >> Yeah, you missed a couple.

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>> Sorry. >> Oh, there's Well, 15 16. There's two 16s. So, 18. >> They're on different births. So, >> No, that's you guys. I have to grab me every year. So, >> yeah. You just want to see if we catch

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it. I appreciate that. Yeah, I appreciate that. So the MSaries they withdrew the forum staff >> for paramedics. >> The AED for 12,000 the scoop pressure was I believe in our capital right in the video was in our

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capital scopes. Yeah. All right. See? Well, the chief just try to educate me a little bit here. So, the SRO's are still in your budget. >> As far as I know, right now, the SRO's in the budget. I talked to Laura this

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morning. Uh there were some posts online early about our um line item actually going down in response to the money coming in from the school. It was my understanding that there was basically our budget covered it that

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>> and it was going to be built for >> money built for the school which would basically go back to the town itself, >> right? >> So, >> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go into our general fund. It wouldn't so much >> go into the police. Yeah, I'm with you. So, that's not happening.

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>> That was just out there. So, I just want to make sure >> Yeah, >> we're on the same page when >> Oh, I understand 100%. Okay. >> All right. Any questions about this budget?

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>> Nope. >> I know we did a lot of work on it line item by line item and I don't know where it ended up in here. I probably didn't because we really never met through that process.

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We got a lot of >> questions I had asked about um funding. So, we have 22 full-time employee five. Oh, so I'm sorry. 22 full-time police. >> Yeah. >> And eight reserveists. >> 23.

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>> What's that? >> 23. >> 23 full time. >> 22 full-time and eight reserves. >> Eight reserves. >> Okay. I'm just going by what you wrote. It says 22. I'll fix it for you. 23. >> That's not the updated version. >> No, it isn't the updated version. >> The uh the 23rd would have been the SRO

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the school is paying for. >> Oh, I got you. Right, we're back to that again. Okay. Oh my god. Thank you, sir. That uh FinTown Committee

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budget report. Okay. Nothing I need to know about that. That's just for me, right? >> Yes. >> Numbers. >> All right. So, there's the letter that we had for last week that we didn't do anything with this of Joseph. >> Um, do you know?

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Philly cheese dogs. Um, do you are they still going to send us Laura? Do you know? >> The guy There's a letter in front of us. Have you seen it? >> Yeah, I read it. All right. Just email to us. Can we make a motion to to um >> was it approve signing and going along

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with it? Should they decide to send it? >> Okay. Motion made by >> make a motion. >> I'll second it. All those in favor? Jo I >> sharing all I >> am I missing anything. >> Why wasn't sent? because we didn't have a meeting last week.

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>> Oh. >> Um but I did so that was going to be hallucinate our meeting. >> I went to school committee on Monday night listen to their conversations. Did >> they make it all the way over there >> kind of part of 100 grand out of there. >> Appreciate it. >> I broke my pairs.

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>> I didn't think that was going to take another look at it around. >> Yeah. Well, yeah. We were probably hoping to get a lot more but we got something. So that's what that's about. Did we miss anything? >> No. >> No. I guess it's just what the next

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steps next week. >> So, next week we have a meeting on Tuesday is what we're hoping for. >> Okay. >> I honestly at this stage of the game I don't know what's going on. Um I believe the Solomon have a meeting on Monday. They haven't talked much about the budget at all through their meetings.

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I'm assuming they're going to have to and I'm assuming we're going to have to have a joint meeting somewhere down the line. >> Yeah. We're down. The line isn't the line anymore. >> Line's right there. >> It's like the deliverance. We're there. >> Um,

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>> we all going to jump off the cliff together. >> Yeah, I'm ready to jump >> pretty much. >> Yeah, >> everybody is for one thing or another. >> So, as of now, we have a meeting for next Tuesday. I honestly don't know >> where we're at or what we're doing.

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>> And then I would assume the following week will be May. I would do something um for that one too >> that Tuesday just in case. But the but we have to meet that week too. >> It's all good. So it'll be tight. At

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least we're on Tuesday. They're on Monday. >> Maybe it's a joint meeting. >> It would be nice. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> If we can get >> Yeah. >> And then we'll see what next year brings, right? This process stays. I

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don't know. H seem to be difficult >> only because we're >> just not >> sinking. >> We don't seem to be jelling. >> Yeah. >> No one's fault, I guess. Just just where we're at in life. >> Is what it is. >> Yeah.

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>> Well, any other questions, folks? >> See none, make a motion. >> Make a motion to adjurnn. >> Yeah, I'll second it. >> Okay. All those in favor? Joe B. I >> do. Sharon >> sign.

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>> Yeah, they'll steal the paper books. Thank you folks. Have a good evening. You too. >> Make a note that they donated folks back to the town.