good evening folks Today is March 25th It is after 5:30 We are in the conference room 3 We are the finance committee Uh go around the room and say your name Tell me please Karen Deon
Kerry Nolton All right Robert Varia de Maria is absent She may join us on Zoom Guys make sure you speak loud tonight and clear First up is approval of the minutes for 17 31 and 38
725 Make the motion Paul finally made the motion Is there a second second [Music] All those in favor joe D I I shared I Robert Conley I first up we have a few reserve fund
transfers The first one is for Mr Veron of the DPW We're going round and round with Billy's copier scenario a couple weeks ago probably now a couple months ago It's been a while Um so if you've listened to the back and forth stuff
basically it's over the threshold that we put in place with the select board As we've been told a hundred times that's a Southwork thing not a state bank and blah blah blah So with that I looking for us to approve this tonight it is
over the threshold but if we don't approve it the bickering is just going to continue Um at some point we will sit down with the selectman and come up with a little bit of a better number But as we've done our research and look through our book the um what a lot of the
departments don't have a ton of money in that line item So as much as you want to bring it to 7,000 10,000 let the department heads run the town they don't have a lot of money in that account And Ry's case the same way Yeah he just doesn't have enough money in there to do anything So I need a motion or rand to
speak of the copier Yeah I guess I I I think I do have funds I mean I have what I was to do initially was to call the money from you know three or four different accounts water sewer highway all under you know I call office supply So I put a PO in request for the copier
printer and I got rejected I said "No no this is minor equipment and this has to go down this path." And so that's why I'm here I guess I'm a little little I guess hoping for some guidance and hoping approvals we get this just get over with it Unfortunately Randy got stuck in the middle of of a numbers game
Um but most accounts for that line item don't have a ton of money in it Right So approving money for copier is like approved money for toilet paper So I will make the motion Thank you You're welcome Is there a second
thank you All those in favor joe Dei David here Robert Thank you for your patience Thank you Appreciate it Yeah And basically he got the last part off the truck to fix the
copy Well they nicely told them "It's running but don't call us again because we're not going to have to park." Thank you And next up is uh fire chief in regards to his little expansion project that
he's working on Chief how are you today i'm Paul thank you Um kind of weird So we're looking for um $15,000 to complete the funding for a project we've been years now called
station alerting Station alerting is a system that's tied in our dispatch center Um the minute dispatch puts something out it sends a automated message um to the station And the most important part is it uses what's referred to as soft weight Um so there's
been a lot of studies done recently in in review of firefighter well uh health and wellness related to uh sleep interruption and abrupt wake and things like that So this does a slow wake slow lights come on slow sounds um it transmits the message So there's a
message board that has the actual indication on it It's in all the the dormitories that we hope to build if not in the temporary space that we're in right now Um and then throughout the building on the common areas as well too Um the project because it was started three years ago came in at one price
point Um we were able to get a substantial amount of the project covered through grants The town has already given us 30,000 Um but we're looking for another 15,000 to complete the project The installation itself um was a little bit higher than initially
thought as well as the equipment is a little bit higher than we initially thought So it's just an amount in excess of what we had already approved Yeah As of the timing of the quote and the delivery Yes That's in simplest firm in terms Yeah
there there are some some technical things that are involved in it as some of the capacity and things like that but this would allow us to get the system installed and up and running as soon as possible And then so this is tied to the 911 uh dispatch so that when they notify the
station that there's yes a call then this thing takes over and does it does that the first initial tone is all automated It's voice generated It's CAD It's all computerized and things like that sort of frees up the dispatcher to do the really important initial call
taking information as well as getting the necessary resources um out and running and then they would take the call over after that one And what's what's the total amount so um the total project itself um with the
the design the system is designed plus the installation right now is $139,95145 We've received 97,5002 in the form of 911 grant two different types Um the town has appropriated $30,000 which gives us
127,5002 total towards the project Um necessary funds to complete the project based on those two estimates for the actual device itself and the installation uh it comes up short by $12,44945 and figured there'd be a little bit of a contingency there just
in case we had a couple of unforeseen um bring the request up to 15,000 to make up the difference Okay So the whole taxpayer amount got lost 45 total Okay Yeah
Not a cheap system We have to get grants Yeah Yeah Well I don't think we would have done it otherwise Yeah Well there were some other simpler systems but they don't have the technology and they're really not built for the future This is designed for the future So whatever happened to our dispatch plus the CAD
systems computer dispatch software that works this is compatible with all those It's already got that that that brain forward thinking type of thing already built in Any other questions make the motion Made the
motion Is there a second the doctor second it All those in favor Joe I David I Shar Paul Conley Very good Thank you all very much Good evening Okay Now it's budget time folks
So we had our two meetings Thank you for showing up I think it went overall okay for the most part You know we survived anybody So I know the town clerk and the
treasury collector said they both have no problem with a minus five Both of them had said that So I don't think we should let them down Um now mind you when I say minus five I discussed this with Laura and it's it's
only certain things like you can't touch phone you can't touch electric you know what I mean salary salaries right right okay so you know just a comment go not a criticism or anything it's retrospect
that I wish we had had that conversation first so that when people were presenting their budgets in the larger meeting that we could have told them that's the expectation like we did last year Well we kind of did because we had minus five this year on the pack right
and then there's been some push back like there's no way I'm taking minus five I didn't realize that was their job I thought that was our job but it's all good Yeah Okay And it's water you know bridge so to speak But it felt like you know I mentioned it once and it was kind of like well you want me to but Yeah So
probably one of the ones that didn't feel they were going to they needed a minus five I didn't know that you know that the expectation had been set at all It just like everybody was coming in with level budget and ignoring the five There was a lot of that Yeah Yeah So we're going to introduce them to that
other column that they seem to have forgotten about All right That's the best way to say it I don't know Sharpen their pencils Well it's just you know this town is bleeding bills like there's no tomorrow And that's sad that we can sit here and cut 5% and think we've done
something when unfortunately there's there's something out there we're not aware of that'll scoop all that up and still be short 60,000 like it was nothing right so that's the disappointing part of it Um I know some some folks watch their budget they leave money in there it goes back to the
general fund They're they're very great stewards of the town's money Yeah others just for some reason seem to need every penny and and it's what it is right and they're not picking on anyone It's the the system that's in front of us It's the system that we use Um same
with a lot of the stuff wasn't filled out as far as fiveyear programs you know and and I guess we're going to say that gez we have some new young folks involved and uh maybe they're not aware of the fiveyear program or what have you Yeah Or maybe they just don't care But
either way we're going to sharpen our pencil hopefully I mean and I feel bad too You cut 5% But yet when we're all done Yeah I mean you can't you shake your head and go what did we accomplish right The schools are a million schools are at 975 plus the
300,000 over here for the collaborative program But over that'll get back into our general fund at some point Um I don't see it like tomorrow but it's still a million2 that is sitting in here somewhere Yeah that's
got to come out you know So so we'll just go through the exercise We're going to meet next week and and go through it again and uh see what happens So So the town clerk had mentioned minus five They're okay with
it Are we okay with that we just go around and say yes It'll be easier Joe Dei yes David Methy yes Karen Mill yes Sher Nolton yes Robert yes Paul Connley yes Thank you And Laura you understand or you
understand more than we understand as far as where that cut is well do we want to go line item by line item um so it doesn't touch the salaries It doesn't touch the salaries It's just the
operational line items right so operations and we grab that quote capital letter but that's all the pass right it's all zero So there's nothing there election and registrations I would stay away from
You did say 5% decrease That's good Yeah The election world that's kind of not out of their control Correct What you have to have right but I'm But last year weren't there more there was like four So last
elections last year She really had one because I I asked her that question right she was good She based it on the one right correct All right But she didn't level she didn't decrease it She left it level funded in
the 5% column She did But we'll we'll take care of that We'll do 184 down to 14 She put the wrong numbers in the level funded column No right there No she on She put a note in operating the next
page Then the requested 26 is lower because we only have one election but we'll go up and finish that eight pinaries right you're going to have at least two elections That's right Next year Okay
So she's already decreased the town Yeah Yes treasure collector said she was still 5% She was now mind you these are all new budgets for them too right and and those
numbers are pie in the sky when we did this so Yeah Did the split result in a larger you know two paths are bigger than the one yes Yeah Oh yeah Yeah Yeah it definitely did
Especially the first time around between equipment purchasing and everything else when the dust settles here I think they're still trying to staff They haven't figured out their staff long had no problem taking my excise tax money today Now very smoothly I was at the window about 30
seconds Life's good the collector We're going to do the minus five on the town operations That's all we have there So Joe D Yes Who are we voting again
so collector treasure collector 5% at 5% Yeah I shar I Robert Conley I thank you Next up is historical 5% section 22 versus 760
So the historical commission on budget Joe D minus five Yes David Miy Robert County Okay Economic development They also said they could function with 5% increase They also said they could
function They did which drops it to 1900 from 2000 Yucks So Joe De from 1900 on the economic development operations Yes
I sharing board They wanted level funding So 5% will be 19,000 instead of 20 It's $1,000 There's actually nobody up there right now Um I don't think they filled the position right now So Okay I'll make
a motion for the planning board operations at 19,000 or that's capital What's that that's capital the 19,000 That was three accepted Oh I'm so sorry Oh that's Yeah you're right So it's 2,138 I've been looking at the bottom
every time So 2138 versus 2250 I think they can afford it Yeah Yeah Yeah So Joe yes David Mi Yes Sherryville today Robert slash it
[Laughter] No hesitation We're all in this boat together I'm kidding Taggers You're payroll check Well we don't get we don't get paid We're fine Yeah
And Yeah So it's the operations It'll be 500 bucks right 7 8 9 10 400 400 Are you good uh Laura 5% Yeah I mean if we're
counting everybody then we have to take the hit too That's right Because I'm just Right Yeah what we should be looking at all just want to make sure you didn't have anything here that you know confidence and travel right dues
minor equipment so their minor equipment's a thousand so they won't hit the threshold supplies so that's for that's for operations but your Munich audit you said that you need the increase due to changes in the law so that one that one
you increase So that's going up Yeah Yeah So yeah take the hit to the operation So that's staying at 32 What that's she wants she wants level funded at 365 Well we'll see that later That's including Gazsby services
So the audit federal accounts would be 32,000 and then the Gazsby the Gatsby below Okay Yeah I'm sorry Five Yeah I am not paying attention I'm looking at the 365 Yeah I see it now If we give her that then her operations will be
decreased by five and then we give her the increase there Understood All right So Joe D Yes for cutting by percent operations and then adding to the uh the audit audit of accounts in the gas David Sharon I
Robert Conley I I just saw you up there Okay One version What desk are you trying to replace in 2027 Lawrence oh you're gotcha
Yeah that was a temporary desk but or temporary help right you need a bigger meant for a a little more surface space would be just a little Yes Oh you got a piece of plywood right we can just bump that up Give your saw horses back and Yeah sounds good to me Sure
Absolutely Thank you for that Take care of our people Don't you worry Some people think that's like we'll put our best guy on tomorrow Thousands of dollars for rustic Okay
So computer I set the hardware software maintenance to 230,000 That is level funded possibly high That's not level funded It's not And I believe did they move stuff into
that from somewhere else i don't have it waiting for managed Is that part of the managed service numbers that they were waiting for and that's why they put it at 230 okay I'm not sure the managed service that would maybe would I think that's the
number they were waiting for a final figure on So we we don't have that I don't have and hardware soft doing more with cyber security So got hardware software doing more with cyber security and waited for me services
numbers and then something about the munis training for efficiencies requesting level funding notes that I have for this How are they staff these days our computer guy is
Jim So computer salary is one person So over time is kind of as needed when he's available when we need him Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah We don't have solid numbers for the
operations So let's we'll do this one next week Yep So make a note to go back to the computer and also make a note that I got to reach out to somebody write things to do list I'm okay Thank you There's going to
be more weight management Just an excerpt They seem like they're they're volunteers Like management Yeah Yeah They have a secretary looked like right clerical um they have staff that gets paid to do the
boat launch and all that stuff They're all over they're all over everything Yeah But our leader is uh Mr Gell Yeah He's always been all over everything Yeah He's the kind of guy if if he likes
you and he's in your corner he's uh 100% on board And and if it's the other way it's 100% I got I got a few phone calls on my way here from them So what you don't see
here um is the AC heater unit left um building as far as the boat ramp goes by Louis V's in that area Is that in our packet somewhere yeah somewhere 15,000 Yeah Okay So the
heat pump We're not going to make a decision on that tonight but I want to know Do you want to see him go in for reserve fund transfer next week to get that rolling or do you want to wait till the budget season and then do it under say free cash and we do it for the the early
versus the regular um um town meeting What are your thoughts Laura is that money in in our account the 100 and reserve fund is 155 that's 155 and we took 15 out tonight and four
right so we took out 10,000 tonight out of that 15 and four No you said you said 15 I'm sorry 42 I said 15 and and uh 20 See I'm way off
the skip No starting to see some side effects of my past few weeks Um so what is our thought do we want to do a reserve fund transfer laura how does the money get back into reserve fund transfer at town meeting we
refurbish that during the budget process We just make that hole again Yeah we request the 163 That's where we start at We Yeah Okay There's an actual line item in our budget All right For the that issues
every year Okay Okay So what do we have left after we take this 19 out well if we do ch math I think we're down to 135 Right Okay All right Yeah Yeah So we have it in there to do if we want to do it next week I think we probably just should and get that We should Yeah We
might want to get it ordered sooner later because if we wait till the town meeting we're going to be halfway through the summer Yeah And to be honest we get pricing I don't know where pricing is going So you might just do it now and get it done Yeah He's got real quotes that are accurate now Yeah Just I
will have him go and fill out a form and we'll have it for next week It needs to be going into a line item that already exists within his budget Okay Or buildings and browns So I think that
was a whole another discussion right where where are we headed with so there's a building there that honestly these folks lake management has taken care of for 15 or 20 years And now that something finally broke the question is does that building now fall back under a maintenance department
right So then they'll get a service contract and it'll everything will go up 10 grand over there because now it's being watched Right Where would you guys like to see that would you like to see it under buildings and grounds
wherever it costs the least I guess Yeah Yeah You ain't kidding How long did the last one last over there it lasted fine It lasted it's probably 15 16 years Well that seems pretty long Yeah No no they No one's doing a bad job Yeah right Just moving forward this building has been
hidden from our maintenance team going over there because lake honestly lake management takes care of it right you know maybe they should just talk about it together They will I just asked where you guys thought You might want to see that go I mean I think Well we have we have to put it in buildings and ground
because there's nothing there is no line item force They have to I mean they might still you know do their work like they always do theirs Yeah Yeah But where the money parks Yep So Elizabeth make a note for that So I can We don't want to see the budget go up next year
because this building was added though Correct Well I mean thanks for the question You know if if a building can be maintained without cost going up then why isn't why isn't that more widespread hey it's volunteer So we're going back to
the guy in charge Mr Grenell's All right Volunteer Okay Volunteer You know he treats it like it's his Okay Like literally he does That's why you've heard nothing out of him You know I'm sure the small stuff they just take care of and they move on Um they they run a
real tight ship over there as volunteers go Um so I think it just stays where it is but the building should probably end up under the mains department anyway And someday it will have to anyway if he's not here anymore Well that's exactly true When that day comes in centralized
for administrative accounting and such Okay Thank you All right So back to lake management operations I just um want to make you know that the electricity needs
to go up to $1,500 just to this season to keep even with this year So they're trending a little bit higher And they are because this furnace went let go two months ago and they have four or five
electric heaters plugged in down there Okay So there there definitely was an uptick Um and when it finally got to us I kind of said "Well we got a month left and right you're going to be unplugging those anyways." Yeah Um so I think I'd leave it where it is Okay Just because I that was caused cause and effect due to
the heater not working I think we'll be okay with it And honestly this new unit will be 20 times more efficient than the 20-y old unit that was in there You make Yeah you made the savings Yeah So yeah I would leave that
But what you're getting at is if we cut 5% So well we've been we talked about that there's just certain things you're not going to be able to cut Even though we look at it and say we want to cut operations like you said electric not going to touch Your telephone you can't touch right you
know your water bill is your water bill It's 150 and it's running 118 right so the only thing in security that's I believe for his camera systems and he buys a new one every year Yeah
So could you make a note for me for Mr Canel's needs to cut 5% of his operating budget and he can let me know where he would like me to do that You can just probably email me all these notes tomorrow and I'll deal Thank you Okay
capitalize the capital All right So off to the community preservation We don't really touch right now CPC is CPC that's their own funding source helping there
conservation 5% decrease they can work with they can work with 5% decrease Yep So 5% alteration straps it down to 7,60 Joe DDS grand
[Laughter] That was weird Okay we'll move on Um and they're they're doing pretty good They had 58,000 looks like in their revolving account for uh permitting revolving wetland applications and conservation
wetland fees They're looking for more hours for their staff but that falls under the select board Okay Add committee They can work with 5% decrease Yep $3,000 in a gift account Yep
All right So 5% for a will be 2555 $2555 to be less Yeah But no actually just to make a point I had a note in here that um the 5% decrease is wrong So that 1188
should actually be 950 and that reduced that reduced the bottom line 318 Thank you I compare same now All right So I'll amend that So JD is talking for 5% 5% cover will be $2318
Yes Yeah And was that make that so we can fix it that was [Music] um confirmed day Yeah 9:50 Y I'm sorry
Not having a good day So $2,318 is a 5% come for ad commission Joe Dei Yes David Uh let me just ask on the the next page of this operations Is that like is that the same
number 2700 pages in Yeah Um adcom operations priority one supplies public outage open farm day farm parade and garden Oh that's the level that's the level Yeah Yeah Yeah Okay
So they yes on the 5% yes yes Robert Ro yes Paul kindly I the library know if we're allowed to touch that
the the materials we need to leave but the other areas can cut 5% A sh you wrote that down Age maintain for material other areas cut 5%
I wrote your maintenance contracts Yeah And your maintenance line items You might want to look at those as leaving them electric
fuel and telephone How come she went from maintenance contracts went up to 183 she put that in a decrease and before it was only like 3,600 buildings Buildings and grounds Okay And here
So maintenance went down Is it in buildings and grounds or is it here here library in the library budget by name and grounds covers it covers it Oh okay But they don't have it in their budget
too No they don't have it in their budget It's their line items within the libraries Okay You'll see a lot of the diver inside those So why are some of them in buildings and grounds and some of them in the
departments buildings and grounds have lines within some of the department So um there are some lines that are buildings and grounds kind of control or
they run the contract So when they maintain they use those lines specifically and they're in like the DPW they're always the case here over here Yes So why was what's the change here from 3600 to 18 that's where I'm going
So the contracts just the maintenance contracts at the library So that why was it only 3600 last year because they've been taking some of it out of the
library maintenance So one line might be over been overusing So they were trying to get the two lines to be a more realistic number right because they decreased maintenance Okay So maintenance and maintenance
contracts last year comes to about 17 grand And this year you put those two lines together and it's over $23,000 That's just the increase in the maintenance contract So whether it's
um HVAC you know the heating and air conditioning maybe lawn care [Music] things get more expensive as they get older right the contracts It's not a contract from our buildings and grounds
for No I I I know that Oh okay I I know that But when it's I 100% agree The percentage increase from the original from 17 to 23 So can we make a note of that please so I think
that the that's not like a 5% increase It's all good That's why you're here And they have not increased regularly over the years We were trying to get them It didn't increase Those line items have been kind of level
funed right but it seemed to have worked all those years too No No they kind of dipped in They dip in other accounts Okay Is do their numbers foot it seems like that that's not showing up on the bottom line as much as they don't have
$8,000 but [Music] um not 15,000 Everything else is everything else is the same Yeah I see what you mean The 171 versus the 168
Oh the in Yeah I don't know I don't get it It's like something doesn't flip like it should Yeah Because they're saying that information material Well level funded
in 24 was 1773 Well over here I see on the book from two years ago So that was level fun for 24 Oh maybe that's the number that 171 381 right that was the total 25 budget
right and now compared to the level funded it's 17 Yeah they bumped it up eight Maybe the one which a good portion of that is that maintenance maintenance contracts and their informationformational material
right yeah You know what two and six that's about eight grand right there between those three line items All right Well Joe will he'll ask about it Yeah I'll get I'll get a detailed out for us Sure In the meantime do we just skip it till
then or vote we can we can skip it Anything else thing we see for council got 5% Yeah just 2375 annual art show Yeah Not a lot of meat on the bone there They've got a lot
in grants but it goes out to the u the folks that apply for Yeah So I would like the motion for virtual council 5% cut to 2375 Yes Sharon
Sherley voice Yeah we got highway division operations What's the gas and oil gas and oil first Yeah I got gas and oil first Yeah gas and oil Yeah Y which I'm not going to touch So basically you
gone to the highway division Highway division operations gas and oil is um is it just for vehicles yeah Now is that for everybody is that for the PD the town cars does that fall or does
everybody have their own fuel i believe everyone has their own fuel Is that correct no that's for all the everybody The gas and oil is for all vehicles which makes sense I mean that's what that's what a fuel tank is The point is
so it is what it is So here Randy he has his garage repair maintenance contracts and agreements and the total FY25 budget He shows it but then in his budget for next year he has it building grounds and he
has it zeroed out So it's really still 18,000 Oh yeah I was looking at that today Can we back up so yep Gas and gas and oil Yeah gas and oil we're
leaving as I think you kind of have to right as the level Yeah Yeah I mean it's not like a department overspends that whatever vehicle needs it gets it Has it gone over over the years i think maybe one year One year right
yeah Spent more than half of it Yeah So far as a as a 220 when they're looking at they're looking at the highway department when you see buildings and grounds That just says that's just saying that buildings and grounds are the ones that do the budget
for those line items They're not zing out So there was Okay So the second page that said highway division maintenance that has the 18 for road repairs and
maintenance Yeah Okay So the only So the only thing Randy really took down here was his conference and travel from 4,100 to 3,300 Other than that he didn't do many things I say street sweeping It
says 275% Yeah he dropped data sweeping There's a couple Yeah confront I think he just picked the ones that he could Yeah And the total total Yeah Yeah
I mean he knocks off like 12 12,000 but everything in his department I think is probably more expensive than most of the others Okay that's what I Okay I see that Right So he did what he could it looks like Yeah
And any one event could knock that knowing void if something happened and you got to do it and you got it is what it is What do we knock them down to 5% And then that we started we started this with that intent So this is going
to be a little painful Yeah you know I don't think we've ever said no to anybody under the um reserve fund transfers when they come in And you know and he's right it's a perfect budget We could take 5% off but one good sewer main break or one good water line That's
why I'm concerned with the free cash of $163,000 but that's where it's that's it always works right okay Yeah If it's something bigger than that then don't be there's other issues at at hand Okay You know what I mean you know tornado or anything crazy then it's a competing to to move
real money to fix things So yeah cutting 5% isn't going to change the world and and like oops we just screw that up and now that's going to trigger something else Yeah I'm just thinking if you know this is a bigger department that we're cutting bigger
money and if we have just $163,000 for free cash and something happens So just got to breathe Just got to breathe It's okay I know And wait till we get to police
and fire I mean this is one one department when the next all the departments together That's what That's what I'm getting at Why we're here It's tough decisions We can all resign after April Where's that thing i got here somewhere We can
all walk It's all good Town doesn't need us current advisory board Remember that So so yeah he's at 237 and really with the other Yes the
others added in It's 326 855 Thank you That's the 5% cut 326 levels 326 5% of that is someone's two things that we can't touch within
that the contracts and agreements Yep Um if you look at there the maintenance page they're still at 1695 and then the utilities right of course we're at 51 right
or we just go with the accounts that he did cut The accounts that he did cut that he did cut Yeah And how much did he cut we went from the 35 down to 27 and 4,100 to 3,300 And there was one
other one 15,000 to 2 How does that work you don't get your string cleaned What do you mean because he Well he he he's cut he's cutting street cleaning street sweeping rather Does that mean you don't you don't get your your street sweep no No Or does he pull it from
somewhere else no I I believe it's a budget Yeah He must He must know that he can that he had it over That could have been over for all these years or we're doing it twice now because we're so great We only have to do it once I don't think he's cutting your street out or my
street out No He's pulling it for somewhere else No I don't think so No So so that he needs it Well they only used half and 24 There you go And now they don't they don't use sand anymore They just use salt So the
streets are a lot cleaner to begin with So that that's that's So they used half and 24 That's telling you there's something there Yeah Travel That's been low I think he's got a little more buffer Yeah
So you're right back to you know so you got both theories You cut 5% or we can go line item by line item and see where they haven't used x amount of dollars and cut that right you know Yeah Well what is that 2239
of 235 like a $12,000 reduction So yeah that's just leave it at the 5% Yeah Yeah Yeah What he proposed
yeah is actually if you look down like on the hot patch um they had budgeted like in 1920 or 2024 they budgeted 25,000 but they used 38 and at the rate we're going they're probably going to use double that anyways to fix all the
potholes that are still out there So uh I see he left that one near level funded asphalt's gone from 50 to 100 now it'll go up again this year Yeah So I mean that so that's that one there is going to go crazy So yeah so he's at
223900 right All right So highway division operations at the top 223900 DDS and what was it just me again the total level funded number again The total
level funding 32685 So buildings and grounds the accounting 326 855 Oh is that with the 128 on the next page why $100,000 more no thousand
month The total on my book says 2357 Right Right What she did is she added the top three lines in that say building and grounds Yeah And then that other one that's blank building and grounds and it's comparing it to that total FY25 budget
Well that's that's where the numbers It's just confusing when um building and ground some have it in there and some don't Okay So if the true number is 325 and you take roughly 12 off of that you're going to do
that one Okay So he's safe with I just want to make sure we're not like you know cutting cutting more than he anticipated because the because the level funding went up that So answer your question David Methy Yes
Thank you Yes Sharon yes Yes Oh kindly Yes Is that just the lower part or is that buildings grounds which it's highway division right it's not it's not
including the buildings and grounds Okay What are we doing with the buildings and grounds are we going to deal with that when we get do we see it in the end or no so when building was the second that was the first
Yeah Buildings and grounds was I think that was the second day Yeah It was the second day way down in the book So yeah Yes It's right before the police Yeah So that was
second So that's where all those all that we'll see all that there Yeah Okay We'll deal with that when we get there Yeah Yeah The roads Yeah that's the end of Florida
Did Randy weigh in on your viability of 5% One way or the other on anything i didn't write anything else Okay We don't know We just got back
for repairs on inspections was at 55 in 2024 and you spent 40 I'm sure we bought that to 50 [Music] Um looks like that's the bulk of what you were cutting Yeah
per got a pretty good handle on it So we put sand blast and paint highway torque bodies has already took some out of there at 500 I don't think that account gets used much Everything's new over there right
even the phones will not took it out of sand blast and paint Where's this parts and garage supplies repairs and inspections You took 6,000 out of cars and garage supplies He already
zeroed that out Yeah See I believe they got moved Yeah Garage Supplies and parts look like they combine them parts We did that last year right yep Yeah Yeah So was it stay on for three years or something So you
have this constant struggle because accounting likes to see things broken down to actually understand where your money goes Certain departments just want it more than one so they have more flexibility So it's a constant is a constant struggle you know
I see both ends of it but especially at the end of year when you really learn where you spend your money that's nice to have it down so -
8850 Thank you Um Laura if he were to fall short in this particular budget can he take something from any of the other PPW budgets and supplement it right
Your parts you know your person you know am I gonna are we gonna say it was highway equipment yeah I know You know there's no But otherwise he shouldn't with you knowing about it He's supposed to right i would assume you
know like he said the copier broke right so he took some out of each department that uses it right is how he did his line items for that Sure Um when it comes to this uniforms are uniforms for the guys right the the physicals are the
physicals for the guys that are in that department Um garage supplies are pretty general Um you know tires are pretty general It's all for the um so yeah repairs and inspections the other budgets he has like a handful he left
highway of sewer of water solid waste okay I mean I'm inclined rather than just keep dugging through line by line is to is to ask Randy he's pretty standoff any you know who runs a tight budget yeah if so they all are so this
one will be the least will be on fire will be well you know fair enough but I I wish that we had asked asked him I mean I wasn't there for his presentation but I would like to know You You can't let it be level funded in 2025 and then
expect prices not to go up and then make a cut in 2026 You know what I mean it's I don't want to put I don't want to put him in a tough position to do what he's got to do for the town So then we shouldn't cut anyone's budget Yeah You
know he he's No I'm with you I'm not I mean no I I think if we asked him and had the benefit of his insight he might be able to say yeah I weigh I can go 5% solid waste I can go 5% but this this one I can't you know and we'd know that
and we make our decision simpler we'll take like you know you know the winter roads about a month ago everybody was ready to jump off the bridge because they all thought we were going to run out of salt because the weather was so bad then lo and behold we haven't had any storms since then and now boom We
made it through winter somehow We're good But I mean a month ago we could have spent another $50,000 on salt but we didn't need it you know So it's it's he's got a tough tough deal to try and juggle I mean no matter what in all their departments too right i mean they
they really all do right i hold the line How much like the end of last year did he return to the general fund well do you track that by department kicks back you can look at
what right there total FY24 expended right it was almost $20,000 less like on so right highway highway road machinery Yeah 80 grand roughly and he had 100 grand So 20,000
went back into the coffers No balances on it Yeah it really does That's everything works perfect If nobody needs one thing to go along and it kills the budget Yeah So I'd say cut
the 5% like we're telling the other departments that you have to come back with a reserve fund Yeah You roll the dice You just told me that if something happens This is a tough job Yeah This this is we're not here we're not going to make friends I realized that a long
time ago I think he's put some thought into it You know he's going line by line So a lot of the things are staying level He's like "Well nope I can take four grand out of here." So that's a good point And that is and that is the Randy point right so he is thorough and he did
look at his line items and adjust it Not that he wants to but he understand what he was told to do and he did it Right I'm not going to say every department we will look at next will do that Um they just say "No we can't do it." Okay Right But he said "Okay you know in the worst case scenario I can lose some here and I
can lose some there." Right and now mind you if this happens he may come back and say "Don't cut me next year." We're tight you know i'm sure he's saying that now don't get me wrong Well that's that was my question He's saying it So but where do we where do we not cut and where do we cut good point And I and I'm
not This is why we can all walk away after the Yeah But but I think normally each department tries to leave themselves a little bit of wiggle room somewhere They try to but now this
year we're telling them it's like we can't give you any wiggle room this year really or we've got to eat into that and you got to really think and I think for the most part they do I don't think anyone doesn't think or or just says screw it's a town it's not my
money I'm going to go spend it I think their intentions are great but you know I mean when you want to but no oh I'm not saying there's no yeah bad intentions here but because Randy can end up
with events that yeah absolutely are out of his control more than some of the other departments can he's probably one that leaves himself a little more wiggle room so now we have to eat into that and hope Yeah And out of respect and out of respect he gave us 20 grand back right
so he didn't just blow through it all At least that's what we see right and he also knows coming in that look I will give you your minus 5% But if the hits the fan I'm going to come back and see you and that'll be fine But he knows
we'll give it back themselves are going up that much He's only 2,000 ahead and the tar prices are going up more than that You got a 50/50 chance to get to the minus I think he's been you know
I think he's done it smart So in 2023 he was at 101600 He spent 73 So that year he gave us back 26 27,000 Okay So but you know you're one total truck
away from absorbing right everything under repairs and inspections you know if we want to live in that world of whatifs right um so let's think positive There's nothing that's going to go wrong
Yeah that's have the money roads 88150 Is that where that's where we are 8850 Okay So Jod with a 5% cut it looks like for machinery and roads under operations is
88150 Yes David Matthew yes Yes Yes Sher yes Robert yes Yes You have to but that's deficit spending right yeah The ones that we're treat some of them we're treating like your our utility bills right we know that we
have to well winter roads in order you have to at least level fund it every year because otherwise Yeah Nope Yep So I just wanted to Okay So I'm at highway engineering He cut testing and sampling Testing Yeah
and storm water mapping posting No I don't know where some of this goes because they've morphed the position over there I don't think it brought any of it per se in house but there's a different process going on with a lot of that stuff now because our town planner
now works at the DVW right and you know they're moving things around but I think a lot of it has to do with where we're headed with all this stuff Plan we need to increase that to
$132 cover cell phone Yes Yes Did you make a note of that on yours okay 632 Okay All right Let's round two So then that
takes away from his So now we go to 35 instead of 344 right 600 Okay Yeah Was it exactly lower 600 what 16 400 So $432 Sorry But we can
round up So round up to 35,000 Yeah passing your voice You guys hear voices yes Yeah It's not on Zoom right no Thank you Wait speaking in the c area Perhaps it's
being zoomed there Is that crap yeah So we saw we just want to go screw change that really quick That's okay People have bad days All right So we're at 35 Yeah For highway and engineering Joe Yes
Yes De Yes Sher Nton Yes Marvel Yes All kind Yes Only chapter 90 is dead Only chapter 90 was chapter 90 and he took the 5% So chapter 90 is money we
get from the state State right Yeah chapter most of the chapter 90s in chapter 50 revolving sometimes right that's our yeah our side of it I suggest we don't touch roads too solid waste
We have two that comes from accounting which are what they are $500 for electricity So it would be $8,800 for the electricity to 1300 Will he really take that in refuse fees
in what fees the refuse fees refuge fees 366 350 Yeah he went up from 273 to 366 from 245 right so it looks like yes he can because he's at 1627 now So it looks
like he doubled it and gave himself cushion right well that's a that world is very volatile right yeah that too Last night's meeting I think they said our trash is going to Michigan Oh yeah Yeah it's very um under uh
contract u compactor repair we have $8,000 but uh under the uh capital items we have a compactor replacement So that would kind of take out that $8,000 repair line item if we put a new
compactor in Are we going is that being supported by the capital it got through capital I believe it was Yeah I believe it was Yeah The only thing so far that didn't get through capital for some reason were a set of lockers Yeah
All right You can when can you spend that after the town meeting or anytime so that would be after town meeting Yeah They would order that part and get rolling on it Taking the 8,000 for repair out
Well well if you go down to his 5% he's at 403 right so where did he get there right Let's see where he got there His fees His fees The accounting numbers aren't in there Oh that's Oh okay
Okay supplies Let's see if we went to zero I guess we don't need any more supplies Well because I think he packaged that somewhere else Okay Supplies Oh okay Yeah All right Yeah Okay I see that All right Yep Yep Environmental
range Yes They have um they got the wells If you go up to the transfer station they have wells that are constantly tested Um in fact they had a cap because if you remember when you go up there to the left hand side they actually use that
for dumpers a little while before they and so they uh D stepped in and made them cap that when a certain amount so and all that has to be monitored So we're kind of stuck with that out though Um so there was a testing for
so long right so that may be done That might There was so many years of testing right yeah they might be And they uh they ended up capping it last year I think that finalized thing with the D up there So yeah the landfill closure Yeah So that
that will be part of it Zero zero But when he in his level funded column he still has the five grand there Um I believe that they well they they've I'll check with him but I I still believe they do have to do that
monitoring for even though that thing has been capped off but they still want to make sure that nothing is leeching out and but uh I'll find out that $2,800 last year So far nothing has been expended this
year Expended this year Yeah his decrease He has it at zero but in level funded he still has five right because it's level funded Yeah He just left what level to the 5% Yeah
All right So is there any reason we don't go 403 or is there something some more information well if we add electricity and telephone it's 413250 413 350 250 250 Yeah because she said
8,800 plus 1,800 Mhm Okay So solid waste operations would be 413 So 250 Yes Okay 250,000 Yes David Jar Yes Robert yes All kind Yes
Implementation Yeah that's just kind of like a little we go back to solid waste for just a second for the capital Did all those make it through um yeah So the
truck made it through the um contactor and the uh transfer truck What do you call that yeah the roll up The roll up Yep Yep Yep Don't know where the money is going to come from yet but it did make it through that process Yeah All right Okay And that's a wishywashy right because there may be two years for the for the rolloff truck right but it's got
to be ordered now and there's a whole jungling of things Okay The pickup truck was ordered for two wheel drive We wanted to make sure it was a four-wheel drive Just a typo Yep Yep Yep Um Yeah Pretty much only make it through
the lockers Okay Should have saved some of the lockers in the school that we're going to come back to I'll link that and have the whole later on Later on Yeah Okay Because we keep kind of dipping into the
capital Yeah We're going to have to go over all that capital by itself Okay Yeah definitely All right Are you okay with that Laura or do you want No no no Because a lot of it's really not I just want to just make sure Yeah Like this capital that the the
truck is there Yep But not the compactor plus on a different item Yep I will get we'll get that list we have that we went through Capcom with to make sure we hit every piece What are you doing for the sewer
implementation so we didn't touch it It's $100 in there for secretary Yep Cut him five bucks Yeah Welcome It's electric I do I I did hear that we've been re we finally are
changing bulbs to LEDs and I heard we're getting the LED rate So maybe next year we'll be able to look at that if a significant amount are changed We'll see the maybe we'll see the difference in the the bill this year You should hopefully Yeah Yeah because I worked at
a um life share community and they did that whole project with the electric company and that was a sign So yeah I think the rate will go down but the the fee to get it to us is triple Yeah but that's okay
All right Okay So on sewer [Music] operations just This one station health insurance is going out Yes sir
So that brings it up to a total of $15,225 for the health insurance for consumer I don't see but that's the accounting way down the bottom operations Oh by
accounting Oh okay Sorry All right And is the 5% an actual 5% no that's not So it looks like he's he did what he could and that's all he can do But what is the the new number you just gave us due to that
551 He's probably putting [Music] that three So if if we do his decrease he's he's dropping you know $3,000 Yeah But he Yeah He has no control over
health insurance So No no no I'm just trying to go to 5% of what what he can control right yeah that's what I'm saying He he did his best and came up with 551 450 Now we've got to adjust that for health insurance And if we're good with
it we trust that he did his his best on that decrease [Music] Um which I would imagine he did Yeah I mean he gave us back 19,000 from
24 Um but I knew there was a a thing as far as the grinder pumps I know there 60,000 I was looking for telephone monitor [Music] thing So 23 Okay So telephone monitoring
monitoring was 3,23 He spent 1746 and last year 47 3,000 he spent 1747 right back to 2,00 She could probably shave
500 from there without hurting him Yeah Did you hear that Laura no I did not It's a te telephone monitoring 5201 is 3,000 For the last two years
it's been 3,000 Two years ago was 1746 Last year was 1747 So we'd like to bring that down to 2500 to help with the 5% without beating them up Yep It shouldn't be mon people
call it What about the What about the testing and sampling you had 950 came down to 400 Yeah I think zero and now it's Yeah I believe that is the um the outfall should they need to be
done I wouldn't it's at 400 I would leave that Yeah I think it's something that it's you know one of those deals and like you said to two What's that that go down to two Well we got to give the selectant
something to do Yeah And then that contracted equipment and services is that just not spent because it comes at the end of the year well I don't know because that's that's um that's the big boys And I don't know if that falls under if there's an emergency That's
where grab it from Yeah Oh I mean if you got a sewer line break or something press or somebody like that with some big equipment you could sunk that right up you know So that's No I didn't didn't know what that was But yeah that could Yeah So leave that just in case
Well I mean you know you could knock it back but somewhere down the line he might come back in and go "Hey we had this We had to repair it you know." Right Right So 20,000 will be 16,000 10,000 out of control 16,000 12,000
So it's going up down to 225 What's that yeah hit hit it a little bit 225 The order control is at 16 Oh I'm I'm still under contract equipment Oh so if you want to I I wouldn't touch it but
it's up to you only because I know what they do You want to touch it we can touch it Sure 225 Is that 24 you did 138 last year Yeah He's at 3,300
Yeah And the year before contracted and we have 191 encumbered this year What was it 191 is encumbered though Encumbered this year right now 19,0001
Yeah And in 23 it was 195 and they spent 25 Okay Too much fluctuation there Yeah Encumbered means they they wrote POS against Yeah We just don't see it in our books right
our book is at a certain snapshot Since then things have moved to bump Yep All right So okay So 500 Take 500 off But the health insurance went up by how much
15225 is the total number Yeah 1525 is the total number added to the 5514 $1,925 Say that again It went up by Oh yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah What's the new 551 number it's
552 and change 700 Give him 553 Call for it a day 566 You need a minute from 551 Yeah because that's 15,000
included Oh 15,000 15,000 Sorry about that 15225 76 566 765 Yep 566 765 minus the 500 that we want to take
right two right so minus that 500 gives [Music] you 56 Can't read my line 566 265 265 Yeah
Okay So sewer operations will be 566265 Yeah Yes David Murphy Yes Yes Yes Sherry Yes Roger Yes Paul Conley Yes
PWP The rest of this Yeah Just information Yep the testing of the water which he has 13 138 but in 24 he only spent $2,400 He's at 11,000 this
year So that's so Springfield of course is not how would we say this springfield is no longer chlorinating their water that we buy So we have to do that now in house and then we also have to have it tested Okay So that
whole model has changed That's why we built new I guess pump stations with clarination Yeah By Rosewood We put a new building up two years ago So that whole product is a is a new product right they never did But now they do put a little chlorine in the water Yeah
Springfield used to do that for us when we bought Springfield water Now they don't Now they know they get us I guess it's clean water [Music] just quite a few It used to be 15,023
He spent 2,000 about 20 spent 3,000 in 2023 and we marked it then and backed it down to 138 as you see now So he's well on his way to take care
of that 12 340 extended What's up with the postage line all the letters we get about the Springfield water There's zero in You just leaving it and he's going to give it back if he doesn't What's that
postage Is it there for just in case yeah Sorry I'm nasely tonight It's actually been extended now Oh okay Thank you That explains it all
You still dropped the 34,000 You dropped the 34,000 Yeah we're missing health insurance Yeah but we're missing it from both lines So we don't have it under level funded and we don't have it under the 5% either So
so the total for health insurance is $6,250 It's over by 30 Well he doesn't have that in his level funded either Like I said he's cutting where he can in the line items he can control Yeah
exactly Oh yeah No I'm not saying that So it's an increase of that $7,250 right Health insurance CEOs need to make their money they can't spend in a lifetime science that especially when people take
them that kill That's how angry people are Small but their rates are published in the same Connecticut Outrageous So what are we at like 47 total i
mean the new 468 number 5311 150 Thank you Is it that's his level funded or his by the decrease yeah Health insurance just ruined it all
Yep Yeah Because if you had health insurance still level funded right 62 650 Okay And he would have been you know 542 Water division operations for
[Music] 531,150 Yes David Murphy Yes Yes Sherry Yes Robert Yes Yes Did they give us a new paper funded just didn't make it over huh
she thought it was what she was asking for to try and increase on the class line Oh Five is
9,000 Well yeah because you take the 125 out right she took the money out of hardware and software and it is a 5% total All right So minus five for operations is $9,314 Yes But
the 5% decrease from 14 No it's not 14 No that level funed That 12,500 So we're going to go 9314 Yep Yep Yes David Matthew Yes Shar
Yes Sharon Yes Robert Yes Paul Yes water park fit into this water No that was going to come up So it fits in on the property since they're putting the back Really pretty You should see it I mean is it not going to happen oh yeah Is this happening is
it right next to right next to them i think the water was factored in at some point I have a note insurance costs for water or pickle ball added Uh don't worry about the insurance It's part of the town insurance
Covered covered I know I got I'm so sorry I'm sure it's covered in the system You know we pay so much and you can only sue the town for so much too right i actually I actually did ask that question and she told me that we are covered She didn't
tell me how much our insurance is going to go up but she she did say we were covered in that covered over there Always covered Um so is the water is the Wally Park water of 14,000 that in anticipation I think because it is okay because it used to be I think I remember
the number being like 11 or something I guesstimated it last year right we put wells in to to alleviate the $50,000 water bill years ago for just doing the grass That's worked out extremely well They can't use well water for splash pad Unfortunately I actually think they can
They just have to test it once a month but Oh it's not worth it We're just fine So we are on we are on park and wreck right we are on parking Okay Yeah So um ne next question with that Yes So if it's not wellwater that's
being used So when we are on restrict water restrictions does that mean they're exempt they're exempt They're exempt for the water park for the water park Yeah Out of curiosity And honestly all of our town property with sprinkler systems are exempt Um and I recall back when I had that other role I remember
the library would have it on You drive by right we have a water restriction But boy that library spinning and I think we make phone calls just so we would act like the rest of our town acts and shut the damn water off of the library So because it didn't make sense that we could throw it in people's faces right
but the state specifically exempts that exempt from they always exempt digital signs water it don't matter right town owns it We do what we want Okay Does it say you're doing anything i think you might though cause more ruckus if you say you're putting in a water
park for kids to cool off in the middle of summer and then you turn it off in the middle of summer when it's hotter than No I was just like I was just curious and I was like does it come under the water restriction does No no no Genuine curiosity Yeah No I'm not criticizing but the whole water
restrictions based on the Westfield River right and that's a conversation another conversation someplace else We're giving up on that I do my own wild because David him like I don't really care So I just
hope it's enough Honestly you know we're we vote things in and we have them and we just hope it's enough right um under under park maintenance they went over like $2500 last year on park maintenance right whatever that might entertain Um
so I think it's kind of foolhardy to reduce that line item being that they're going to be introducing the pickle ball courts and the water park So maintenance is obviously going to go up It's not going to go down So I think uh a 5% reduction there is kind of foolhardy
because we know what's going to happen with that Um I I can I mean we haven't dropped down to like 80,000 but 4920 I think we're going to be putting some money back into that Um just I'm not sure when the water park's
going to be done and when the pickle ball carts courts are going to be done but all by the fall hopefully There's obviously going to be ongoing maintenance to buy nets and different various things So I think you're kind of foolardy to cut 5% and you're going to
add a couple of new things to the park over there You're just shooting yourself in the foot The more you add the more it's going to cost So you can't add stuff and then cut their budget for maintenance Not going to work they're going to come back in and go Some kids rode by cut the nets or they rode through the nets or they whatever they
did here and there So I think cutting money you know you go ahead and cut if you want but somewhere down the line Okay So they're at they're at 84,000 It' be at they'd be at say 80 80 So 81 Yeah I mean I I Yeah it's right Yeah I
you know hey I got you I'm with you We'll give it a shot right and uh Lincoln took one We'll see what happens Yeah Say 81 81 Add it to maintenance Yeah Just
$23 right you know nobody it'll be two cents Well no But see in the end I asked the question like with car I says well what's going to happen if if something hap you know when a kid's running across the thing and his diaper falls off who's going to clean it
it's a biohazard If a kid falls down cracks his head and there's blood all over the pad Who's going to clean it you got to be certified to clean a biohazard They have they have Well if you hit the button on the sprinkler though it should have no backup plan So if all of a sudden we have to call some
environmental we have no backup plan to Right So just just to make my point because someone's going to come back and yell at us but if we have to call some environmental service to come in there and clean that pad we're not talking a $100 bill We're talking several thousands of dollars So this budget can
just go right to crap instantly So just so you know that's the crap that caused the budget problem right exactly Exactly So but just so we know Yeah Okay The good news is that phone call will happen on the Saturday at 10 a.m No one answers the phones till Monday at 4:30 So by
three days it should have pretty much been washed out or an animal's going to come by and grab it So just saying maybe Rory's having a concert that weekend and he'll pick it up I don't know Just so in case someone says "Why didn't you guys think of that?" We can call up the tape and go "No we did ask that." All right
I'm good No I'm all right So we're at 81,000 for park and wreck operations Joe Dei yes Hearing Sherry yes Robin Roger yes Oh yes If you go to two pages over you can
see the revolving account How much money they have in there too Revolving Now what can that be used for i don't know Laura I think for the parking ball I think
they can use it It's pretty flexible Okay Yeah All right Okay Have to go and be on their budget Yep Well good So we have a little backup but that's if you know they have motocross if they charge for parking if they lose their diaper
Yes Right Twins There's no twins No twins allowed I believe that'll be an Oh okay Yep Yeah There'll be an RV dump station Perfect Thank you very much Nationals too It's got to be the Wally Park
revolving That one is generally for the electricity Yes The grass Yeah Okay They do use it up the right way Yeah All righty Thank you No the assessor board of assessors they
didn't really do a 5% decrease as well funded What's that and I have notes saying that they with it being a reevaluation year possibly need another 25,000 then they got the new assessor So I don't even think we can really they
are so crazy over there they don't even know what I'll get that later Yes I agree with you 100% They there's a position that's going to be open They're they're roughly looking at trying to staff that I think But I just saw Awam has a position open for the
same position Oh boy I wouldn't cut a dime You know what I'm saying no I wouldn't either Like I said I think they're going to need more It's kind of it's going to kind of be like the treasure clerk office Well they really haven't put anything in here for that whole spot So we're going to have to
circle back to this honestly because there's nothing in there for the new person or a training or an intern because that person walks out the door and there's nothing happening The going rate to replace new person there will be about $90,000 and if you look at what she's
paid versus what it would cost you So yeah you're you're probably going to have a shortfall there Yeah So I wouldn't cut a dime No that's up to the board as well in the Yeah Yeah But for the the development conference and travel and we
need to account for that in there Yes Um Yeah Because all those clerks they uh the the state rightway puts on where they go up to UMass you know they use that all the time But we've got that the big thing
coming down the line We do have the person running that department is going to be leaving and you're going to have to replace them and look what it cost to replace Carl So move them numbers over and that's if you can find somebody to take that spot So it's require the same
schooling that some of these other positions require Uh well yeah certification certification Yes Yes You know it's probably just the maintaining certification you know Yeah This budget is a maintenance It's nothing to do with hard to get somebody
up and running unless somebody's already you know certified right another question with this being a reeal re-evaluation year I have a note of possibly need $25,000 so I don't have that is there cost
associated with reevaluation that's not in this budget well she put it at 18 185 so she did she did that's in gold red I have a note that it's higher because of every three years What they do is the all the um our the people that
work for the town right now they do all the you know residential okay businesses you know commercial all that is done by the outside you know consultant okay he does all that And then once all that is in place he comes in and he goes through
everything and basically gets all the paperwork set up and the board of assessor's office to turned into the state to get the approval So we need that outside regardless guy regardless So it's it's uh and if something hap and
it's also built in there too is that if for some reason the person running that department left this guy would step in and help manage the day-to-day operations till we got back on our feet and got somebody to replace her I'm more Do we have enough in here i'm not I don't want to Do we have enough want me
to lie to you or tell you the truth you're going to tell me the truth and say "No we need to put more in." Yeah you do We don't know what that number really is You don't know what that number is our number Let's go Let's go So it will be our number though The salary is a salary That's a select number right that's what I'm saying Most
of it's going to be there right elizabeth can you make a note and we'll go back to this next week So I can I'll check in to see if we need to add a line item Okay On top of the the salary for that person We have to
fund the maintenance guy in between Okay Then we'll get a line item in for that All right I propose we take a 10-minute break We good with that yes How far are we done right now Well we're going to stop cracking and we're going
to go I'd like to almost get through it We'll see But you got 10 minutes You're okay Yep So and we'll be right back So block off video Okay You're ready There we go Our break is over folks Thanks for waiting
Sorry about that All right Up next is emergency management I have a note of can cut further What's happening something was happening Sorry Sorry So they didn't do anything so far right
so internet is zero probably because they have it at DBW cell phone not needed No it is needed Okay Insurance and dues Nope Time for some
travel some money there We both share Yeah Equipment go up because it says level funded is 1,700 but the 2025 budget says 1,200 not 17 Was that minor equipment
yeah it went from 800 to,200 but then they're saying level funded is 1,700 Where did the $500 come from because they got rid of [Music] um 700 and the internet was gone Oh did they pull that in there that already was
gone Yeah they did That was already gone 9325 They did the Louisville funding and the total not necessarily each line item right but where did they pull that money from insurance and dues There you go Yep Insurance and dues Conference and travel
So they're saying so they can change their numbers within correct as long as that bottom line it's still 5% So right that's they move money around Okay He's he was new last year so I
think he's got a handle on it Okay Okay So I'll make a motion for a 5% decrease at $8,850 Joe yes David Matthew yes Oh sorry Sharing Robert Roch Yes Paul
Conley Yes And make a note that Dr Zowski last meeting I did Thank you Sorry about that And the example of the project of the storage shed did not make it through The bigger question was um what does
everyone need let's actually look at what all services are Oh yeah Y he is downside getting rid of a couple of the vehicles he has over there Yeah Yep The parade vehicles So you say call them Yep
Okay Fire department Anyone else have the note on radio maintenance supply may not need yeah new radios are coming in Is that because replacing the
traditional handheld walkie-talkie types with a Verizon No I know they're doing there's talk of a whole new program for radios right um for both police and fire I think police
got some already because of their change over to dispatch and I think fire is on the heels of that Yeah Yeah I think there's a grant too Yeah at some I feel probably there we won't need the SEMA if you know everybody's going
to have those mobile devices and you know 5G and anything else well I think you're you're you're right you're on that you're heading in that you know our new operator Mr Anderson is different from the old operator of
course And he's more of the modern guy Yeah And I think you see that in his you know they put new antenna up here but the end of the day he doesn't need the patty wagon truck that they've had forever Um you know so you're right It's it's moving in a whole different
direction Yeah Yeah Some of that is statemandated Got to remember they used to be called civil you know defense Yeah And u what was actually kind of funny was if there was an emergency declared the civil defense
director was in charge at the time That that might still be the case So if there was a state of emergency declared the SEMA director I'd have to check on that So what I learned in my years as the
selectman was I didn't pass that test I had to take First of all it didn't do well Um and Charlie was very upset over that But my ace of my hole is the gentleman that runs the White House's um operations That's my brother-in-law So
when I failed that test I called my I called the White House and talked to my brother-in-law and said "Could I be the first called if there's a big problem so I can tell Charlie you know?" So so that smoothed over with Charlie and I was okay Um but um you what I did learn is
Sema is very much responsible for setting everything up and being able to talk to anybody in the world right and then he kind of walks away but that but and he took that job extremely seriously Oh yeah Oh yeah Absolutely Oh yeah Oh yeah Hard So it's it's interesting that they Yeah They are in charge Yeah Yeah
They don't make make the big decisions but boy they put you in the right connection Oh absolutely Yeah Yep Yep And it was very important back then you know The technology has changed Yes So much as we move forward Yeah
We cut 100 on the radio maintenance a little bit on inspection repairs Yeah this is another one of them budgets that one fire could just right out the window Take a little more down You could be dead in the water Take more than five Yeah that's what I
have Yeah So yeah Yeah So all right You say do the five and you never know what's going to happen Yeah Well like you said you know turnout gear is $3,900 a set If you lose three or four sets of turnout gear you're talking 121 12,000
$15,000 you got to replace So I mean you know that could happen an hour from now or could not happen He he increased that line item because I have here new mandate So I think there's well he said that he gave us a warning the NF you
know PA keeps coming out with these standards and what was a great set of turnout gear five years ago now they've determined that some of the stuff that's that gear was manufactured with is now hazardous to their health So over the course of a time now we have to start
replacing that again We keep getting caught The level the level funded is just about 5% cut It's a little bit more You're right cuz I came up with one So 179 technically
178087 is 5% Okay Unless I did it wrong Laura I was compre I was doing his level funded versus his 5% decrease I just took his his level funed and and took 5% Yeah
Yeah Yeah Well because his 25 budget is 19605 Yeah I was using the 187 Oh I got you know Yeah understood It's almost there you know So why didn't you come with about
$1,000 more than a 5% cut if that makes any difference it doesn't make sense No So do you want to leave it at the 187 because he already did he did almost 5% there yep
Are we all okay with that yeah that's Yeah Talk to me Well he uh so I don't know if that was an oversight but he still was able to bring that number down more than 5% So I' I'd be inclined
to just 173 174 where he put him at 178 and it's kind of splitting the difference but it it seems like he looked at these budget items and said "I could cut here I can cut there I want here This one I can knock 500 off." and
he got to 173 So if we give him 17887 I would imagine unless you want to check with him or just I'm sure he's not going to cry about extra money Yeah it'll be extra in either case for him It'll be more than his 5%
He's getting his bump Let's see what I did Okay So 78 Is that reset what transfer did I get another 15 cut them down Cutting it down just because something is necessary because we increased his
EMTs to full time and gave him more fire treats and we have a bigger mix of male versus female And then they go back to the dark ages and have an animal Who else feels one way or the other i'm okay with the number You're okay with
what either he he did a decrease from last year and did 5% on that new level funded which is a decrease in itself So he's at 1745% and we're at 178 Take the 178 178 Yeah we're comfortable
with that Yeah And 87 What's that 17807 Thank you 1787 Might need to buy a pizza to fire Okay So that will be uh fire department operations for
178087 Joe Dei Yes David Matthew Yes Shar Yes Sharon Yes Barb Yes Yeah Yeah Absolutely That's EMS Yes The regular supplies,000
plus 500 up on reertification subscriptions inspection repairs maintenance is that 172425 Five Question I just have a question on the minor equipment Uh we spent we had the third
for the FY24 We had 13,200 They spent 13,600 They knocked it back tonight Um they're making more ambulance calls every year so I don't see how you can knock down minor You know what I'm saying that one there seems a little
light to me Um then you got you know supplies It gets kind of confusing because you got minor equipment I don't know what minor equipment is Then right underneath it you got you know supplies where it was 10,500 but they only spent
half of that So right Yeah I have a note You're kind of It's you know it's it's minor equipment at 23 was 12,000 They spent 3,900 Okay I mean I don't know what minor equipment is whether it's those defib things You
know what I'm saying well they do Each department I think is a little different You know was a copier right earlier Yeah You know and uh but it just seems that I know that they're making more ambulance calls every year And now now we're going to have three ambulances over there not two because we did buy the other one And
I know he's going to try and upfit the spare one that we've got to make that AOS Yeah Um so there's probably going to be a little cost associated there to buy some equipment to get to get that up to it So I mean I I just for what it's
worth he he level funded it with his it was 9,000 He said level funded is 10,000 and then you put it back to 9,000 at the end of the for the decrease Gotcha So it's a wash anyway%
or do you do you have any idea how much revenue those ambulances generated is there any figure for you know there is I don't I mean he'll give it to us in a heartbeat Now does that go back
into the general fund so what happens is is the money that they generate um in their revolving account we um last year we used um $545,000 to put into the general fund to
offset offset the ambulance Okay All right So every year we're pulling Yeah Yeah I just didn't know what that figure was Bill helping that out Still leaving a little bit of a reserve in there Okay What is ALS and BLS well you got
advanced life support Basically Southwick is is an ALS service you know with the paramedic level service Yeah But right now that ambulance that we bought for $20,000 is a basic life support ambulance not a full ALS ambulance
because it's kind of a spare So we're we're we're caught in that thing But the new one actually should be in now at the dealer We should have it in two or 3 weeks And now we're going to take that BLS ambulance and that's going to be like a backup But what he wants to do is
as he can get that up to an ALS ambulance So then we'll have three Okay We'll have a backup and that's going to cost money to put in the proper equipment to make that an ALS It's that $50,000 package that gets you there Get you there But having that not as not
only a backup but can you also you know increase your revenues because you have well yeah you probably could because right if we have three ambulance runs and they can get enough people to man if we have to call Westfield to cover Westfield
gets the money not us even if they come here So what's happening is Westfield's calling us rightville's call they're moving Yes Those guys are everywhere Yeah Oh yeah that that I mean a lot of days both in manage as well Yeah I mean
but they don't come back right but the good thing is is that they do generate revenue and uh so type of a thing And hey I tell you what if I'm laying on the street I want them guys there You know I was there when we used to just bagg and drag you but this is a little better now
So hey that was a long time ago Okay Do what you could you know that's it got me there So okay his education and training he took down to $8,000 from 38 and $35,000 And I
know the last couple years we were talking about the EMS training and the different trainings and people stealing people I think that's a whole different line item Oh okay So that's not what this is Why is the the significant decrease in the training that's what
that is I think that's ongoing education and training which they're not doing a lot of that online CBT I think you said it was online Once you're certified it's just like researching and testing Okay So that's what that is All right Good catch that
Yeah Yeah Okay I can't imagine how Westco did all those years for us because then there's at least certification subscriptions right above senior rate though education training Yeah unless you slide down That just
seems like a low number to put education and training Education and training Just looking at Yeah the year before he did Is that Melissa is it still around i didn't know if it has to do with the number of employees because but I do
know couple years prior there was a lot of turnover So is that education training for turnover and now he doesn't have the turnover but that's always has a turnover but he was hiring new you know a lot of new people Is that a mistake because so I I I don't know what that is But does he
have must have asked like is that is that sending people to the fire academy is that academy fees training education that's a that's a huge If he says he can do it okay but what what is it really
well we did have the big jump between the contracts I was just That's where I had my arrow We must have asked I know it's highlighted here in yellow Your education and training You
lowered that What is that used for then the contract He's the only guy that would get back to me And the contract agreements And the contract agreements jump So is was that moving one item to the other jump is that Yeah service contracts and
agreements Um everything is kind of like pennies but those two jumped Well I know this way either Yeah I know Like on the ambulance he has said that they were going to do a contract uh on
the stretchers right that's changing because they're 80 grand now for that It's so it's it's $80,000 per stretcher per ambulance Wow And there's a So they have striker which makes when you first first hear
$80,000 The first time I heard it we used to buy ambulances for $80,000 Now it's $80,000 for the stretcher but the stretcher comes out automatically lowers to the ground everything's battery operated so people don't blow their backs out trying to lift a three or 400
lb patient So they have service contracts obviously for those stretchers They have people come in they go through they service them to make sure everything's up to par Boom So some of that could be associated with that And I'm sure the more a lot more of the ALS
equipment uh you know the defibrillators and all that stuff you have to have service contracts because they got to be certified that they were tested like every three or four months or six months to meet state regulations All that you know I mean everything that you know we get caught in a lot of stuff where the
state mandates everything just like the schools they mandate it you got to do it but they don't fund it you know So that's where it falls on us Well we could go to the chief and clarify Yeah and get back to me as that stuff is So we can hold off on Yeah we'll hold off on that one So
cemetery last ones to let you down This is the revised one What was this um didn't she need to put the truck in here and she did under capital It's the only thing you don't have to work for because they just went down at
all So I was a little confused Yes It happens very often No you're good How do you want to get down this road so I just want to get rid of the She didn't have a truck before and she hired a guy
to come in and do She still hires a guy to come in Yeah Right And then she said "If I'm going to do it myself I want a truck to put dirt in." But where was the guy she was hiring putting his dirt in the truck and moving it to the back Which truck his own truck His own truck His own truck Okay So what happens is
they've been watching Well I'll tell you what happened is cremations they make $250 that they get extra and they pay the guy to dig the hole So it looks like they want to start digging cemetery holes for 600 And if you listen to their meetings if you don't give this person a fair wage they're going to give that
person the $600 to dig that hole too So I think I would call it padding pockets I don't know Maybe I'm being a jerk but I'm used to that Um it just it's it's out of control over there So they So there was money in account last year talked about it that it honestly had to
be here a long time because they were able to take $130,000 out of interest which was we thought was going towards land someday but they've decided they don't need to do that anymore So now we're going into the the future
business of digging holes Yeah Okay And last year's excuse was because the guy might wreck a stone even though the actual sexton marks the spot to dig Um so this year's version was no no no no no Someone paid $1,800 I was we were
told um to resume to to take a body out of the ground is what the fee was Then they brought it over to Southwick So I bet it was $1,800 It's not digging a hole and dropping a body It's a whole another set of skills to lose to to exume to exume And I've been through two
of those at that cemetery in my other life Oh you have yeah I literally have Um and I think they're still looking at buying a little excavator too Yep 40,000 No 50,000 50,000 Yeah And they're
doing that to secure the pricing for future families And I guess so that guy can make 600 bucks too when he digs that hole And we'll pay him on top of that That's the same guy that didn't work this winter because they closed He said they closed the cemetery this winter but I'm pretty sure everybody got
paid So but we're not family so we're not part of that Um but that's okay That's where we're at They use 5,000 to buy a mower Um they're going to buy these things to do the cremations I guess above ground right
calibarians Yeah So they're buying that a shed which they need to hold tools in and um the dump truck to move trash That's what it was There's a lot of trash at the cemetery And yes the mini excavator for
15,000 but we can't touch that because that's all capital and it's okay So at least they didn't come in front of us for any equipment Well I think two years ago didn't they ask we we Yeah we did it quite a bit Fencing all kinds of stuff What were we
going to add on to the building on there at one point now so now they have a shed but the dump truck's parked outside which it shouldn't be where everyone can see it It's not even hidden right um next to the old mowers too I mean there's a the package started there Okay
That's But we're going to add on to the back of the building when they're the excavator eventually We'll probably see that next year Okay They won't be able to go get any money out of that account because they used it all But advis you said the truck is on here Oh
it's there Go to the next page Yeah Um is there 16,000 one one new used dump truck used for trash gas to go get gas pick up grave digging project
lifespan 30 years Is that in the new packet oh this is a new packet I'm looking at the old Oh yeah Yeah All right Okay They've agreed to actually change the uh their budget Oh okay Yeah I follow Barry Okay
Right Add shed to old cemetery Can we move on can we cancel them so we can stick with operations and go back to capital Well they're just they're adjusting their books right now Yeah You guys got them in their books all over
download I was talking about Yeah Yeah I I know I rehash it I thought you lost your mind there for a minute Okay Oh I have definitely right off the Okay So their budget is 5% discrete
decrease $39,733 They moved it around So Joe DD yes for cemetery operation yes yes electric yes building
inspector can cut 5% for building inspector building department Yeah he nicely said online that there's nowhere to cut He'd like to see his his budget level funded
It's not huge It's not He does have and I got to apologize because Nicole Barker I have to go look through my emails for next week She did send me a a thing on revolving accounts of how we can spend that money They have quite a bit of money in their revolving account I was
thinking on the page Um but it's so where park and wreck was kind of wide open You could kind of spend it where you wanted to This one isn't Um but Nicole did send me a list statewide on where on what we can do I also don't find that for next week Okay So the the
second page should have a number on it somewhere What we have um Yeah it should I'll have that for next week also Okay Yeah there was quite a bit in there but it's So that's money from inspections Yeah And it goes to the revolving account which does pay the inspectors
out of there Yeah Um but there is some room in that number Okay To maybe pay for one or two things in his line items if we can legally do that Okay Yeah But I will pull that paperwork up and we'll discuss that together You want to vote on level funded or just wait yeah we can
vote on level funded but I still want to go back and if there's some things we could chip away at No let's not vote Okay Yeah because I want to pick that up You know if there's something we can offset a little bit Board of Health Revised they did add um his cell phone was being
taken care of in a certain they no longer are doing that for him So he did add a cell phone for $600 That is a new line item Revolute Um yes
Just a note from fire chief We moved our third party quality assurance for EMS out of training and into contracts and agreements I gota So there's a swing Okay One budget Yeah Quality assurance
We changed companies at the beginning of the fiscal year So we'll revisit that next week but that's where he's at Okay Health they have the that share service grant $300,000 15% goes to the town for
administration and expires in next year fiscal year 27 Yeah It's not me So what happened there was how do you say this nicely um all these grants we get and whatnot seem to
fall under certain departments as far as keeping track and that didn't fall with us So at least with this a piece of it went back you know to help actually accounting Um I don't think they see it but at least we were able to get a
little bit out of that which was nice And that's what you saw Cell phones The cell phones Does the health department have a revolving account no Not like I don't think they do No the
money all goes in the general fund All right So they they generate about $40,000 in fees So that goes in the in the general fund Yep Okay No I I said a note on here 40,000 in fees Yeah All right And they did switch over to uh um
we allowed it last year We we approved them going into this whole So building the inspector you want line to do all their stuff oh they helped you out Oh yeah Okay Yep Yep First year was hell but once you got through like it's beautiful Yeah What a big difference
Y So all those late guys and all begging people to go do their inspections and get stuff in at the end of the year all over So works out well Yeah Actually just a note on that too like uh when the building inspector went to the electronic things the board of assessors
had access to that So as soon as you poured a foundation she was right out there taxing you on the foundation there I mean immediately right there In fact you can pour a foundation without getting a building permit You can So what she would do like over the golf
course they they'd pour four or five at a time because a guy was there and she would she'd be over there and she'd just jumped right on them and the contractors would be screaming But so that's what that electronic she was getting taxed into the cemeter exactly So it it you
know probably the extra paid for what that electronic stuff did So yeah money in the bank Money in the bank Good stuff Okay No we did not consult We added the phone
So 8677 board of health operations Joe D Yes David Yes Yes Sher Nolton Yes Robert Yes line is here complex maintenance Looks like if he stays true to 24 he's
got the new guy doing it right yeah Saman Dan Fernandez Fernandez Yes Fernandez On a side note we looked at the electrical issue for $100,000 today
I can get a used switch for six grand Yes Electrical issue And it broke because there's two there's an external It's like a contact and there's an internal and if you don't do the internal you break the break There
you go Okay So interesting Yeah We'll worry about that Just that was one of those just an advisor Yes Yeah Oopsie Oopsie Read the instructions You know the 27 meter board in the
end minor equipment seems kind of low They had 16 and 24 and they spent over 3,000 and I guess 16 again they they've already spent all that You still got you know that should be but you can go from line item to
light item right Laura how does that work so if they needed minor equipment they could go and pull you know spend more than their minor equipment They just have to leave enough money on other lines Okay Yeah Cuz like on the grounds you
know contracted services they only used half So Okay So all right So there's buffer Yeah All right Yeah And actually they were 50 grand They gave back 50 grand from FY24 So
well kind of crazy over there Yeah All right So we're comfortable with the 148 579 Yes Can I just recommendation do you guys have the town complex that
complex yeah that's what I'm looking at Yeah Um because that the town hall complex maintenance is already incorporated into the um complex Who's the town
hall it could be one that says I'm looking at maintenance That doesn't have maintenance after it It does Does Yeah So I'm seeing it in complex maintenance Yeah Starts with maintenance
activities and then public safety maintenance That's what I was asking Well not I found it very confusing that if it's knowing which department accounts for it way right yeah And making sure it's not
double counted somewhere else So you guys don't have a We don't have that page Yeah You should have just a plain town complex No no no It's town complex maintenance There is not a town hall complex Town complex No
I have that but just so it's very long No if I have it [Music] is it inex budget like the select board
perhaps because I think is it 011920 yeah Yes it's in the all other budgets Cao Yes in the very back Or is it the very back the very back in the all other budget
Those are in numerical order and it is account 01192 There's no numbers on the um Oh you mean that number i say total of the title All right
Yeah Literally the last right here It's about halfway through that last section You want to pull that to the front is that you suggest Those other numbers already in the
Oh right Yeah Yeah I see that Okay Yep Yep Yep All right Yep Gotcha So it's long context period Yeah Yeah One page Yeah Well pages
This one Oh yeah 29 So what do we do with the town complex maintenance are we going to take it out or do we still keep it i would keep put it you know in the back just because there's only one line item that goes to the town complex out of the town
complex maint Okay Oh no There's four There's four Yeah there are two Oh there buildings and grounds Yeah
there No worries confusing Well we can figure these things So we only have to vote on town complex though because the maintenance is in the complex Okay got it
Town complex period Okay Town hall salary should be first Mhm Let me go down to town hall operations 01192 Thank you So they've cut electricity but you're saying that we should be leaving that after 72725
Yes Electricity should stay The fuel should stay in their telephone Yeah And the postage meter falls under town hall operations postage Yeah
Does the water department have their own postage meter for their stuff or everything gets run through one postage meter okay Cuz what was there there's like what $10,000 Yeah From water Okay I I just you know Yep
Okay So we can adjust out the electric I think if we buy all the town employees little miners lamps we can turn all the lights off We can save a ton of money there So what's the real number going to
be we're going to We can't adjust the electric though and flown right the fuel phone What about the postage itself i wouldn't No Yeah No that's for all the the
mailings for the postage itself Yeah All right So I have the differences there then See if we all get the same How many books do we print for the uh town meeting the with yes it's a different they have
their own question they have their own category and I don't I don't remember off the top okay when we get to couple hund yeah so I thought it was how many they want to reduce that a couple hundred oh yeah
reduce that last night's meeting they at a lot of restaurants 351960 What' you come up with 351 960 Are you trying to confirm that yeah I was just wanted to make sure I pulled over the right number Yeah Yeah So I
come up with 351,591 591 Maybe I should have Yeah I added the wrong way there Show it down the line Okay So that's the number Yeah 351591
Okay Their year to date is 204 [Music] 211 212 spended Say that again Their year to date expended as of 318
As of 318 204 21179 Yeah maybe the contracts are paid for already you look at last year So remember yeah that's a lot of money Overtime was
down part-time salary was down Maintenance activity was down Contracts and agreements went down Yeah 17,000 So yeah I guess there's some room there Yeah
Electricity was down a little bit Fuel they got 37,000 through 11 It was a mild winter too right 42 ground contracted services 18,000 and was budgeted 36,000 We shaved it to 30,000 last year
So for this year I should say yeah looks good Everyone okay with that yes Yeah 519 Yep Tunnel operations $351,591 I David Sherry
Robert the town complex maintenance Sorry it's public safety building maintenance What's that public safety building maintenance Is that next oh that's also here Public safety
building which is okay [Music] Yeah I got like we said we'll do capital next week Safety building Yeah apparently there's a public one in the back It was almost like after the budget
hearing that would you want to go please safety building maint is in the back Yeah Right after the consul How many that's the front face That one right down there
No you're good You're good I just can't I put it in public Well there's actually two of them I have I have two of them I vote One says public safety buildings and one's maintenance Okay Different Yeah All right Okay Got
it Public safety buildings first Yeah Okay said we're not we're not going to touch fuel 24 budget was 39 expended 28329 we left it at
39 so do we come down to the 37050 for the 5% decrease or leave fewer alone Here today we spent 25 250 250 170 So I guess we move along Yeah At least that one Fuel Oh fuel Yeah
So that one has to come Same with electricity They brought the electricity down So public safety that's for both police and fire Where are they for year to date for their repair and maintenance repair and
maintenance Sure You want to know they were pretty So right now Their year-to-ate expenditure is 4382072 but they've encumbered 68566 So they're
actually Yep in the negative Yeah I heard rumors I was just trying to get see if it was true Thank you It's true 50 grand there We basically label funding this then No what's happening is there's someone
new there and I don't think he understood at first what was really happening You know what I mean just try and error because he's new to it He's and he's he's new at that whole level So he really he's struggling but he's getting better Um
did somebody explain it to him to die we're not going to go there They're not going to go there They've already done enough damage today Well what I mean that just cost us money What does that have to do with the budget we So they didn't probably think ahead and
say "Geez we got to maybe maybe we can do this and maybe not do all of that." Oh Instead of someone telling them we should do this so we did it Oh And then you know a week or two later he finds out I thought I bought the king-size snicker bar No you bought the little Snicker bar Things like that happen And not a bad
thing Just Yeah Yeah I was over there for the lockers and found out there's some drainage issues and I said why didn't we finish the drainage issue because we don't have any money Why do we we we did this this and this and we can't do C which is maybe four or 500
Yeah we don't have any money How do you not have any money when the budget season is not done yet and there's nothing wrong just I don't think he understood right away what he was doing and how money worked or how money flows Right Yeah Really and I don't know where they spent it but unfortunately where
it's needed today they could they just don't think they're going to hold off till next year It makes no sense But I get it So that's what I'm saying I think it was done They're doing great He's just they're just learning learning curves of being a young lad and and this whole new workforce and whole with
budgets and numbers and working for municipality is completely different It really is Yeah you know and even like we see we see numbers but we have to ask what's encumbered because you know it's still flowing The budget didn't stop because we got these books right you
know so it's all good They'll get there Not a problem You can't cut electricity You can't cut fuel You can't cut telephone by repairs and maintenance So you probably shouldn't touch that
because even though it's three grand which is it's too bad because you look at the year but you look at 24 right and there's 35,000 they used right out of 56 right and whether whether a lack of stuff
wasn't done because of the the turmoil that it was in those departments in maintenance maintenance or that had a rough year Um so you just don't know right so even at level funded he might be over a little bit I say do we leave this one at level funded just because of
what we know but honestly I think we do for this year Yeah because it's a mess I think he's over if he if he saved if we left it at level funded He's still going to be a little over He is over And I just don't know what they did or didn't do that they
needed Yeah just leave it like this Okay And what we don't see is it's really two buildings Right Right It's police fire It's not just police And I think that's where you might have got in trouble is spent money maybe more on fire than
didn't realize you know and vice versa Yeah You know as beautiful as those buildings look they still need maintenance Yeah Go ahead I'm just waiting for a vote All right Yeah you're breathing for a minute All
right So we're going to vote to leave it level funded at $282,71 Yeah OD Robert Conley Okay Highway maintenance there Okay Highway maintenance We're good We Oh yeah Here you go Highway maintenance
the PW highway maintenance and we did library maintenance also repairs and maintenance 2100 12 contracts in le [Music] 16 we just did we just did these are all
set we did the public safety yeah public safety buildings it was incor everything Yeah Yeah Okay So we had to go back and find plan those other sheets Yeah Okay And now I see DPW highway
division maintenance Mhm Yeah But we already talked about that And then library maintenance Same thing Library budget So we're moving on on the Facebook [Music] A lot of questions chief development
training I put question mark down there I did I put Denver yearly and I remember him talking about that that he probably wouldn't go and then he probably wouldn't be going Put a question mark and dive equipment service and maintenance Put a question mark down on there No I didn't make a note there And
that citizens police academy supplies I put a question mark there I have no people to run Right Because they they were trying to start it up again but it's in question Right So that's why I think he reduced it from the 40 by I'm not sure where
that 45 is Yeah Why would level funded be 4560 when I see 2500 that's Yeah he's wanting to combine Oh that's right The um he's combining the red two of them
that he's trying to combine So that's where we'll see it on here Yeah So where you see a zero like under conference and travel that's been moved up to conference and travel and chief development training
Oh okay Yeah Yeah And then the same thing with the D So it's not D and recovery been moved up to the dive equipment service renamed it to something else and that's on that like second page I see Oh
okay Yep All right contracts coming down Okay expense Just combining all these some different supplies accounts into one miscellaneous supplies I have that Yeah Combining it
all to one Yeah If he was dipping into each one different ones every year you might just make it one big Yeah You know what I mean because you have different amounts every year and instead of request Yeah Sure Yeah Well I'm sure it makes sense too That's really nice
supplies It does Okay Yeah The resource officer benefits has to do with the schools Yes I think so Can we cut that we can cut that Yeah Yeah Okay Yeah I think we budgeted
for the I think it was the academy So there was like 6,600 I mean is that for the is that so resource officer benefits is that the academy well that is that's everything So last year um we wanted to
isolate what the actual costs were the Yes So that's health insurance that's Medicare there was we I think we budgeted for the academy in that in in that in uniforms
in all of that And I guess the question you know still going forward are we going to still leave that line and isolate those costs or are we going to put them so you have a question This is just the one extra officer that we're
billing the schools for Okay Yes Because there's two of them up there So one of them we're eating the cost and the extra one there to be taken And we're working on the other one right i can promise you What's the school expense on that first
page [Music] Education I have a note So school expense So it where where is
our me say this can't think anymore Um where is our academy funded coming from it's built into the school expense School No no So in general in general any So school So school expense has the
academy in it Has the academy in it Okay You know and they use that for other Yes they do For other trainings Yeah conferences but it never goes down right we add money to it because we have another officer going through that officer is
done yada yada yada It gets padded It just gets padded I don't Yes Right Both the RAD training and chief development training aren't part of the school plan No So we hired you know we get two young men and one's in the academy one didn't
go to the academy So we have to send them So it's roughly so it says 143 That could be for two officers I don't know So just say it's 143 Yeah So that's fine It stays in there The following year we don't bring anyone right we're we're fun with officers We're good Yeah That stays
in there So they'll use it for other things And then the following year we're going to put another young man through the academy Hey we get another 14,000 That's why it's 29650 But yet we never took the money out for the first officer that got trained You know what I'm saying
Paying for college twice So So do they I am going to reach out to the chief and see what the real the realistic number should be I know we have a kid going this year I mean I know there's some movement right now So I don't want to cut that to D Well yeah
Can you but I I want a real number Um Melissa can you tell us what the year to date is on the school and expension academy the year to date is 14,000 $39.65 and they've got $2,200 in cumber on top of that because they are going to
be sending one young man in So I'll get a real number Okay I think he did mention that the cost of the academy is going to go up It's going to go up So right And the other problem they're running into is say Springfield
doesn't want to do it or say just say it's Springfield So guess what there's one at the Cape that we can send the kids to and we're so short staffed We need to So then you got the hotel you know there's just heavy layer that gets added to it but you still need to be responsible for the number regardless
Checks and balances Yeah Right So we will look into that So we won't worry about police today then We have any other questions for the police yeah Leah anything else
see the other questions just let Elizabeth know miscellaneous [Music] supplies all the supplies are just one because they kept moving it around Got it Every
year So Just find out on the two cruisers too I know he It's a cruiser and a truck that went through Capital Okay But is that a good number Okay Yeah Because I know if he was going to get the two cruisers that's easy to
get that number But yeah the truck doesn't need to be outfitted The person gets in the bed they just strap them down They don't need a set of doors for the back person All right Just make it dressy That's more tow the
bow Yeah In in you know classes and they use it Yeah Yeah Yeah But check it Now do we have just one animal control officer Okay Uniform allowance $1,500 because we do have a couple
part-time animal control assistants I know they're inspectors but I think they do weekends there There's no We have one real animal control officer for sure I'm just saying in uh fiscal year 24
expended $140 and we have $1,500 in there Gotcha Down to thousand Yeah control 524100 uniform allowance was 1,500 in
2023 They spent 764 Yeah that could come down to a,000 Yeah So yeah you want to shave that we can What about the rabies testing it was last year's 58 They got $1,900
Didn't she say something about not being able to host an event or something what's that didn't she say she spent less and she was couldn't host an event they didn't get as many dogs shots as they could have This is This is
Oh it's just sending them out So I don't know if you you don't pick up that many dogs you don't need to test anymore But if you pick up a lot of dogs just dogs other things too Yeah If they pick up raccoons
or something like that any animal Yeah Yeah Just leave it Yeah And if it goes up everything has gone up in animals Yeah Can't believe how much it is for to have a well visit Yoza and they 7,000 went back into the into
the fund also They didn't spend at all 17052 they spent 9,600 and education and conference and travel It's been zeros all over the place here right
can we leave it what's that uh conference travel education I see zeros 24 nothing spent this year Yeah Is it zero and 23 should I just leave yeah Other departments had $300 in for
that That'll cover her If she goes maybe she won't go that all She hasn't Yeah I don't penalize her for not going last year right right Not that everybody should go to a conference every single year
but you know there might be for animal control might be some good seminars or something that you could attend or make it 300 That's fine Supplies a little high or what is it at
now i don't want to chip on it It seems high What's that cleaning supplies 1306 expended last year What's it up to this year year to date is 40271 Yeah
Better behave dogs It was 2623 She spent a She spent 1,223 She spent 24,500 Yeah Come up with the number $1,500 Sorry for pleading Yeah that's okay I'm
a little hurt Yeah I think the rabies testing is going to be her legal room She's up to 9185 for ra testing here at 8 Rabies 918 Yeah So
she's halfway there Really yeah But she's over over half the dogs Yeah You never know if they have a huge dog fighting that they take down this day We did have one year didn't we in town did we have a dog dog fighting group on
south um south numis or somebody wasn't there a group of dogs that they want to ask you read the papers too much Read the newspapers Oh yeah So we at like 13765
Sounds about right 13765 Nice I guess where we Well no there was Sorry I just have to bring up the one thing Yeah Um there was a [Music]
mention about um moving the acco vehicle maintenance over to police department Yes there was Y um but I don't know what your feelings are about that just so when you get I give you a number I know whether to Well
where's the maintenance number vehicle maintenance 1500 00 Yeah because Tommy Crocker takes care of everything and that's all through the police department Go ahead But it's it's the acco vehicle matter Can he can he still
pull that PO yeah he can still pull Oh then we're fine Yeah Yeah they can stay there Yeah I'm fine with that Unfortunately what happens is as we all leave this board after this town meeting you know the next group doesn't
understand that and someone says "Hey there's no vehicle maintenance for the animal control." And someone else says "Well put 1500 in there." It just it just happens It's not a bad thing It just right We all cycle out Yeah You know past history goes right into the
trash barrel So yeah I'd leave it All right Okay Did we have a grand total 1365 right i had 13765 but I could be wrong That's what Okay So we reduced the Which column
were you for the rest of it 5% Okay I got the other one because I figured you were already decreasing So I know if I did it right Sorry That's fine 14,261
Okay What do you get 14261 Oh how did you do that When we went from Yeah 1425 down to a,000 Maybe less than that We dropped the uniform We dropped 425 on uniforms
We dropped 52 on conference and travel and we dropped 495 on cleaning supplies So 425 52 and 495 So it should be roughly 99 950 that we
dropped 972 we dropped actually Yeah I graduated back in 1970 so my math's a little rusty Unless you're using your math ballpark It's down And I did it my heads
You did good testing my the 19 or the 2000 The 19th 766 13,76 But that's all rounding up on you No Stop Control operation 13,760
Joe Di Yes Yes Sherry Holden Yes Robert Hick Yes Paul Conley Yes I think that is going to conclude this evening It's close to 9:00 and this using it so
I need a motion to adjurnn So moved second All those in favor be I Robert Townley I see your next week folks know you world You like