Okay, 7 o'clock and the it's 7 o'clock and the lake management meeting will come to order. Um, it's meeting is being recorded. If there's anybody else recording it, please advise so I can get your name and I'll do attendance.
>> Oh, do you want to turn on the TVs? >> Over there. Thanks. >> Okay, so we have Norm Chver here. Mike Combmes is gonna I believe. Yeah, he's here. He's on Zoom. Uh Malcolm Debay here. >> Mike Debay here.
>> Dick Randle's here. >> Scotty said he would not be on. Uh Eric Muller here. >> Paul Murphy >> here. >> Paul Yokum's not here yet. He was going to be here. Um Ken Phillips was going to be here, but he's not. Okay. So, we have a quorum. Beautiful. And we can proceed.
Any guess on here yet? >> Nope. No guess so far. It's none at 7. Okay. Just make a note. Uh read and approve the minutes, any comments, any changes needed?
>> I didn't see anything. I recommend we accept them as written. >> Everybody else happy there? >> Yes. Anybody have a >> Okay, >> I'll second it. >> Point D. Malcolm D. >> All in favor? >> I
>> stain. >> And I'll permit it. So we have Norm Chver. >> I >> Mike Tums. >> I >> Malcolm Deay. >> Hi. >> Mike Debay. >> Hi. >> Dick Granles. I Eric Mueller. >> Hi. >> Paul Murphy. >> Hi.
>> Good. Affirmed. Concom update. Norm, you're on. >> Kong, from the last meeting, uh 16 Grand View Street, they approved the removal of one tree in the buffer zone to the lake
waning dramatically and diseased as well. >> Was the only item on the Southwood conservation on the Southfield Conservation Commission meeting. Uh
there was an item on their their agenda for we get the address right here. 4022 Mountain Road. This is a neighbor of Mike Kums. >> Mhm. >> Uh
approved a uh an addition to a a house that doesn't change the footprint at all. basically just taking the the current first floor and adding the second floor
that is properly properly sealed fenced and it was approved. >> Okay. >> Yes. So that's the conservation commission update. Do you know if conservation got an input about uh a vehicle
sunk in middle pond? No. >> H. >> There is a vehicle, a truck in Middle Pond >> under the ice. >> Under the ice somewhere. You know where the two buoys are. Um, as you're heading north and the the U fish
fishing pier is on your right. There's two buoys. It's in that general area. The uh the exact location they'll have to find when the ice, >> you know, when they can >> can't even see any of it, right? >> No. No. So the so there's a truck under
there and our understanding and and I don't know if that's local or state level is that there's a daily fine >> for having a having a vehicle in the lake >> because you're you know there's there gas and oil coming out
>> gas. >> It's also not permitted to drive vehicles on the lake >> on the lake. So, so it's not like there was a car accident and there a vehicle went up in the lake. This was somebody drove a vehicle onto the ice.
>> Oops. >> Probably got overbody in it when it went down. >> I that I have no >> no no. As far as we know, there isn't aren't any bodies in it. As far as >> you would think we would know by now. >> That I think would hurt. >> Well, it might. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I Yeah, I don't know the
details, but >> So, the water depth there is probably what >> could be around 18 feet. That's 12ish. Probably more like 12. >> Yeah. >> Well, it depends on how far out. Yeah, >> because our furthest buoys are 18
out because my concern would be that the ice goes out and the boat goes on and the prop. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. That would also be >> I have no idea how >> Yeah. It depends where it is. >> It's going to have to be >> And there's there's some can't see anything. Um, I was down at the ramp
several times for the for the snow, but I didn't see anything. Nothing visible sticking up. >> Do they do they make him pay for towing it out and all of that? What do they do? >> Yeah, they do. And there's a daily fine. There's a daily fine for having your vehicle under the water. >> But I'm wondering who pays to tow it
out. That could be a bush. >> Well, the guy who owns it or his insurance company >> or his insurance company might do it. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's not his father's insurance company. calling somebody might my truck >> there with a crane big enough to pull that thing. >> That's interesting. >> Yeah. Where do you get it out? Right.
>> So, is there a police report on that? >> I don't know. You'd have to check. >> It's got to be I assume the hover master was called >> I have all I know is I had heard about it. So, okay. >> I'm just >> I'll check it. >> Passing it on.
>> Um >> master plan. Empic. Yeah. >> Two items we're working on. Uh we still have eight committees that have not submitted their promise completion promises and they are the historical commission, >> the school department,
>> Park and Rex, Board of Health, Cultural Council, Climate Change, CPC, and the Water Commission. So we we did vote that if we don't get them in by 6:30, they the data and
length of the year. The other thing we're actively working on is there are we have 10 commitments to complete 18 items by June 30th and we're can focus on assisting them
making sure they get done. So thank you. >> All righty. That's your update. >> Okay. NRCS um pages three
8 through 21. And so we had a January 9th teams meeting and you have copies of the minutes from the teams meeting there. That was very very productive. So far all our meetings with uh there's NRCS and our engineering and then they
also have another uh consultant that's been a part of it. I'm trying to remember who's their their third the third party was doing a lot of work. >> Uh at Tetrate Tech >> Tetrate Tech. Yeah. So we had really really good meetings with them and so
the January 9th went well and then we were supposed to have the the meeting for the public hearing and unfortunately found all had to be closed that day and so at any rate got postponed to January 29th and
>> 30th >> not the 30th and it was a and that was a really good meeting. It was two meetings. >> That's why you worked there. Yeah. Okay. Sorry for interrupting. Okay. >> Two two good meetings. The first one was the gathering of all the scientists in
the town and and like that and sharing all the information and you've got a copy of everything that um you know >> that they shared >> and and one of the things that that I thought was uh Eric and I were talking
about it is when you look at the data that they presented >> uh and they present presented at the earlier meeting and then again to the public. So the data shows what happens with different levels of rainfall. And
the thing that's kind of neat is when you look at what their all their predictions are and it's based on all their measurements of blockages along um Great Brook and Canal Brook and levels that they took before and after
rainfalls and and that kind of stuff. So then they made predictions, you know, if you have a two inch rainfall, five inch rainfall, and you can you can read it there. Uh, but a couple things that were very interesting that that we learned was that the the 10-year, for instance,
a a 10-year event doesn't happen once every 10 years because we I think Eric noted. >> Yeah. Well, that Well, the hundredyear event, >> we've had three of them in 15 years. >> Yeah. So it's it's rainfall,
>> right? The thing to look at is the rainfall and just not use they're forced to use the language. >> You guys know that before that the 100redy year event doesn't necessarily happen. >> I knew that I knew that it meant that it was a statistical percentage of odds
happening, >> right? But it but the reality is it's percentage of odds happening based on a data set of a certain time frame and and you know the over long time ranges the
rainfall rainfall totals vary in certain areas. So the the point and and Norman and I were talking about it earlier before the meeting started is that we have to be careful with the language we use when we communicate to people because if we use that language which
they're regulatory required to use that language when we use that language the problem is people will dismiss who go well we're trying to do this about a 100redyear flood. >> Yeah. >> Who cares? Well, no. We've had three of those in the last. So, so instead of getting into
that dialogue, we'll just talk in inches of rain. >> Yeah. >> Because people don't have a problem imagining that. >> Yes. >> So, >> the other thing the other thing >> and the other thing I would say the the lower rain modeling, the say 2 and 12 inch rain and the four and the 5.6 six
inch rain and what he said happens to all of the you know the you know how long this brook is up and how much and all that that was in very close agreement with what we have seen >> the 8.6 we don't see effects as big as his model
shows for the 8.6 six he's and he was very clear when we shared some of the data some more information he said you know he said I'm still working the model I'm going to go back and look >> um but but it was it was comforting to see that over the range of rainfalls
that we get very regularly they're able to model pretty accurately what happens and it's kind of what we see happen >> the other thing too is is they're going to change they used what wel stand for do you remember the
>> Oh yeah yeah yeah right right they right they didn't right instead of using >> MSL >> yeah Jesus in any case what they agreed to they use WSCL and I forget what yeah >> um because that was that's a standard
that they typically use and because that that's not what we use and so he he put a note on the beginning for how to translate the two >> you know and I said yeah you'd be a lot better off getting rid of the note and just doing everything in MSL because it's what we do and it's how we've been
talking to people for years. And so he said fine. He said from now on I'll do everything in MSL. >> Yeah. >> And it's a it's a >> it's just an offset. >> It's just an offset, but okay. Who wants to spend the rest of our lives going, "No, no, no. You gota you got to add 1.2 to that or whatever. Got to figure it
out." Yeah. >> So, it was it was really really good. And and uh I think we had some good questions in the public one from the public. Um, we had what the the earlier one where it was just all the basically
all the scientists and whatnot together. We got into the nuts and bolts of of uh how they do the data and and why and and then the correlation and all that stuff. So very very informative. >> Y >> and and they've got some really sharp
people very sharp people working on it. Um, so unless there's any other questions on that one, >> we'll we'll move on to pages 22 to 30, which are Eric's uh water quality. We
can quickly cover that. >> Sure. >> Uh just the highlights. >> Yeah. So, um you know, so basically, you know, things are still pretty good. Um, what I would say, uh, the clarity
improvements, you know, we we still have clarity improvements pre-treatment, but I would say 2025, and I think everybody on the lake noticed this, 2025, the clarity was not quite as good as it was in 24 or even 23. Um, the oxygen improvement continues
to hold, which is very important for avoiding algae blooms. So, that's, you know, that that's all to the good. um you know and the and the data kind of bears that out. Uh you know the the rest of the discussion of course you guys know all about what we're doing for
trying to get additional funding for things hydrilla grant long-term quality water quality work you know and where we actually you know >> I think we've got momentum in in a couple of areas some of which are >> gratifying and almost a little
surprising. So the NRCS thing, you know, that's a big thing, >> you know, that that that will be good for water quality and of course will be huge for water level management. >> Yeah. >> You know, which will make a big difference for example in erosion which is one of the, you know, one of the big items on the master plan
>> till we fix that. >> Um, so that's a, you know, so that's very good. And then the other thing you guys know is going on you with mass D and this uh this consultant MTC where we're now getting some engagement where there may be other paths for funding and
approaches for water quality. So and one of the things we didn't know until they got involved is the rules for S319 grants changed and now we couldn't qualify in for an S319 grant. But now that we're working with
them and we're going to get what they call a watershedbased plan, we will then be that will that will then make us eligible for SV19 grants. Um and of course, you know, one of the big things we've been nudging on is what we've talked about for years, which is, you
know, let let's get after a um having the state get the equipment so that you can so you can dredge shallow coes. >> Yeah. Um and uh MTC and Mass D told us actually there is a set of towns in
Massachusetts who did this. >> Yeah. >> So there's a there's a path we can go look at for how you do this. But that would be a huge thing for us be good for water quality and Oh yeah. >> You know when you think about property values, you know, the >> getting all the muck and the going to
these coes and pulling out all that muck. I mean, you know, because we did the cors under that muck is beautiful sand and gravel. >> Yeah. >> So, you know, people would love it if we go in there and pull all that out. >> Yeah.
>> So, and then, uh, if you're done with that, the next thing, just a quick update on Berkshire Avenue. Um, I had a discussion with uh with Mark uh Stinson at U Mass D and he went through a bunch
of stuff and said one of the things that we lake management should do is do a request for determination of applicability uh input concom so we get it on record uh seeking assessment because originally
there were uh what do you call it? Uh wetlands down by Bergkshire Avenue where it goes under the road. That whole areas was wetland. >> Yeah. >> And that's all been stripped out and the stream got moved and there were wetlands
upstream also which got all destroyed. Everything that was next to the to what was an intermittent stream which has when it flows there's a lot of water flows in that sucker. Mhm. >> Uh and it initiates the flow initiates
two places. Uh there's a they're permitted what I want to say it's in the deeds of the people that own houses on Sheep Pasture Road from where it goes off of uh where Point
Grove Road intersects on both on the eastern and western sides. And it's it's called a water course. And that same water course heads south, then it turns east on on the uh Edgewood Golf Course property. Then it turns south again. So
that water course becomes that stream >> that's unnamed that goes eventually turns again. It turns south and then east and then goes under uh Berkshire Avenue and eventually goes into the detention pond that we built uh with a
an S319 grant. uh quite a while ago and and then that filters it before it goes out. What happened in 2018 was they had built a dam after stripping everything out of there, trees and any kind of vegetation.
They had built a dam and the dam failed because we had a very heavy rainstorm with frozen ground and it sent all that all those uh all the crap from there into Kong. >> Remember >> because it went right over the the spillway. >> Yeah. So, this is this thing we've been
talking about for years. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> So, that's that's the latest pieces of paper on it. You can read at your leisure. >> So, what I would like to do is just I think we should vote on filing an RDA. I'll I'll do as much of it as I can, but
you know, a recommendation to do an RDA, you know, to keep this thing going legal, you know, legitimately. An RVA is usually done by the homeowner, but I think we can file it on behalf of the town,
right? I've never heard of it. >> I I would say we should find out before we do that. Let's find out because I think >> one of the challenges here, >> I'm not saying I like it, but yeah, but >> one of the challenges here is I think
you know, Concom looked at whether this was in your wheelhouse in your jurisdiction and >> wasn't >> the position was no. And it wasn't just because you guessed, you know, there was
there's some B. I don't like the answer, but you guys looked at it. So I I you know, I think Nick Dick, it sounded like the issue was more along the storm water angle and I guess you had some engagement from a guy in the state at
that, but has he dropped the ball or is he picking the ball up? Well, and and our stormwater guy hasn't picked that up uh to continue on because our stormwater bylaw says if you disturb more than one acre, you have to have a storm water management plan goes through a big
process and then uh you know how you manage it. Then you got to follow the plan. It gets voted on. It goes to uh planning board. It goes to conservation. U DPW, a lot of different groups in the stormwater bylaws that who has to go yay
verily. Um would would KCOM seek an input from the homeowner of an RDA to determine what they want to do is
doesn't violate anything. In other words, turn it around the other way. >> Yeah. I don't think the homeowner is going to do that. Well, but I think Kinecom can request it. Say, you know, we want to see an RDA determine that we're not violating any wetlands laws,
>> but if they're not if they're not supposed to be doing anything with it. >> Yeah. >> Right. Because because their determination was that it is not in their I don't know if it's jurisdiction. I don't know what's the right word. >> Well, at least sufficient. >> Okay.
>> Yeah. What what Mark said is if there was if there were wetlands there originally then it would be in your jurisdiction. That was his statement because at the time the wetlands were there and he removed them
and Dennis saw the wetlands going back. You know >> he did. >> Yeah. It was, you know, hydric soils down there, thick deep hydric soils. And it was loaded with, you know, like skunk cabbage and wetland plants and >> Yeah.
>> Um, >> well, that's up to wetlands. They got to figure out if they want to go at it. >> Compound. >> So, I'm seeing him write notes. I'm guessing he's going to ask some questions. >> Yeah. Right. Um, I'm puzzled by what Mark said,
>> you know. Yeah. >> I mean, I don't I don't know how we can ignore what happened, what was removed, >> even though it's gone now. The problem is it was there, you know. And the other thing we got to pursue is,
and I will go back to John about that, is the uh storm water. >> Yeah. You got to find out what he's doing, Dick, before you, you know. >> Yeah. I'll I'll talk to John. Great.
All right. Uh, next, the algae process. So, this got sent around before everybody's seen it. Um, so we had a good good discussion with the select board. Um, they had some I thought very good they liked it. Uh, they had some
suggestions for some things which I need to go do. One of them, one of the suggestions was to put actual uh call it timing requirements on the flowcharts. In other words, you know, this is done within 10 hours, this is done within one day, what have you. Um, which I thought
was a very good idea. And in the notifications area, who to notify, you know, they had a bigger list in mind for who should be notified. The major stuff, they were all they were in agreement with. They they agreed with the list of people that I had for who should be in
the decision chain. They also agreed with the philosophical idea that if you want a decision to happen rapidly, don't put more people on the list than have to be there. >> Um so let's you knowight, you know, let's keep it tight and just just to give everybody the idea and it's the way
I presented it. um LMC and it you know and most of the time it'll be me but LMC basically collects up information and we don't make a decision we provide recommendations. >> Yeah. >> You know we're we're not the body that that makes the decision. So those
recommendations then go into a meeting in which LMC will have a rep there. It could be me or me and Dick and that'll be the CEO, board of health agent, the harbor master, and then an LMC rep and a select board rep. And basically
those people make the decision. The LMC rep is there to answer questions. We're not making the decision. Uh and then from that decision, we move forward. Um the uh so so that you know, we all kind of agreed that was a good way to go. And
then the other thing we talked about is creating a spot on the town website where the the official status of the lake and whatever is going to be said is there. Nowhere else and anybody and part
of this thing is we're going to educate everybody who you know all these people who get called you don't answer. You just say go look >> go to the website. >> Yeah. because part of what happened in this last one is people kind of got half answers from multiple people and they piece the thing together and it takes
off. So I I think all of the major stuff you know there there was good agreement on all of the major elements and select board brought up a couple of other good things for us to add which I will add. Um, so it was >> and the timing thing is is really good
because time is critical in that whole process, you know. >> Yeah. >> And and we explained that, you know, with our with the one that serves the lake currently, Solitude of But in their in the requirements
>> in our bid, we put it we put out a a response time requirement. Yeah. Which caused some potential biders to bow out, >> you know, because they're too far away, >> right? Sell two can do it quick. They do a good job. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, >> what about when you got to get this meeting together and you can't get half the people there? >> That's just what I was going to bring
up. >> Yeah. So, that's part of the idea of putting the timing thing in. >> Yeah. And and >> and having the select board behind it. >> And what if you what if you you're missing a few people anyways because you can't get them. Can the ones that are there make a decision? Well, so timing
is critical. I'm going to be so these flowcharts are kind of the basis and I'm going to write a bit of a document and part of the idea here when I write the document is going to be CEO or designate. >> Yeah. >> Board of agent or designate. >> Yeah. So you don't want to be there,
right? Somebody's got >> you got to designate somebody. Okay. Right. >> Um and and if you look at the flowchart on the on the identification and all that there we've gone through the okay if I'm not available when I created the water quality coordinator that's me. So
so if I'm not there then it's then it's Ken Wagner. If he's not there then it's solitude. >> Okay. >> And so you know so it's not just well Eric's on vacation I guess the lake closing you know. >> Okay. Do you need a quorum of those
representatives to make a decision? >> So, I'm going to write this up with with the thought process that you need to have the CEO or rep, the board of health agent or rep, and the hab. >> Yeah.
>> And an LMC is not a dec, >> right? Or designate, >> right? Or designate in each case. >> Yeah. So basically, you need three. And the LMC rep, we're not a decision maker, right? >> We're just an informer. And I don't know if the select board rep is actually a
decision maker in that. That's going to be >> that's what we have to >> that's one of the things we'll ask. >> Okay. >> So I think we're we're well along on this thing. >> When you do your write up, you got to make sure you got the available, you know, you got names or something regular
people can read and understand as well. Well, they're not going to Oh, >> that's what No, no, no. We specifically don't want names. You don't want positions. >> We don't want names. We want positions >> because if there's a name now that person leaves and now your documents know.
>> That's how we got into this problem. >> Well, if you write it that person or reput master or rep, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. >> But it's got to be position or rep. >> I just want to make for example, my name isn't on here. who they especially in the first couple blocks where somebody's
reporting that they got to know who they're trying to get a hold of. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> But this will all wind up on what's going to look at this all be on the on the >> they'll look at it and then they won't know what to do on the road when this this this does not handle how how does
the person in the public know who to talk to. That's a different discussion because the idea here is that there's a lot of different channels by which information comes into the town. all kinds of different ways it comes in >> and >> then the question is well what do we do
with that information because it comes in from 15 different ways. So this is for inside inside the town's organization for oh somebody reported you know it doesn't matter how the algae algae report came in however it came in >> this is where it goes.
>> Yeah looks good. >> No matter how it comes in this is where it goes. >> Yeah it's on page 40 on the top the second one over that's got all the names on there. So you got to put or rep on every one of those and you're good. >> You're good. >> Yeah. Or designate >> or designate.
>> So anyway, so what I believe that we will be able to have this my objective and and the select board was on board was I'd like to have this sort of signed off, blessed, and ready to execute in March. And I think if we do that in
March, we'll we're on board and we can go >> have a process and and a lot of this can go on the website. >> The general process if you see something, you know, >> Yeah. >> report it here. >> Report it here. >> Yeah. >> And the other part of this which they
agreed with me on is, you know, there will be times when we go through it and decide to do nothing. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And so there's a block in here where if that happens then and I've said, you know, let the LMC chair or vice chair get back to the citizen who
reported it and explain to them why what's happening. >> You know, because I think it's very bad. It's very bad for community outreach if somebody makes the effort to to show us something and then they hear nothing. >> They hear nothing from us. So, I think I
think at each time we, you know, if there's a lake advisory, they'll see that. But if there isn't any of that, then one of us will get back to them and say, "Thank you very much. We really appreciate you reporting that document, >> you know, and we actually aren't going to do anything, and here's why."
>> Okay. >> All right. All right. >> Good. >> So, the next thing is the snow event >> that occurred on 27. And and I'll just preface that with there have been many in the past in North Pond. There was one
that I know of um in Middle Pond last year and they had one uh snowmobile break through the ice and wind up sitting in shallow water and nobody hurt or anything but it was a you know it was
an event and they had to pull it out and so on. But they didn't have a permit from anybody. didn't have one from the mass environmental police which is required and they because when you hold an event on a great pond more than 25 people you have to get a mass
environmental police permit and they're online. Um they they don't charge for them. Uh and then depending on how many people are going to participate, they may say that you have you have to hire a an EPO, which they do have to pay for.
You know, the one that's sponsoring it has to pay for the EPO. Um the the other thing was they did not have a permit from the office of fishing and boating access to use the boat ramp because they were going to launch
everything from the boat ramp which explicitly if you read all this stuff explicitly violates their 320 CMR which is their uh CMR and it prohibits that activity and the winter uh conditions
for giving out permits also prohibit having snowmobiles. The only thing you can have a snowmobile or an ATV there for is to support a a fishing tournament, you know, where they go out and check it out. Just one, right? >> Yeah. Right.
>> And so that's not a snowmobile race or ATV race or anything like that. So they took a hardline position. They took it up to their commissioner and the commissioner says, "No, you know, you're not going to allow make an exception because you you don't allow it anywhere else."
>> So, they sent us a an input that you can read. Um, it's all in here and they said, "No, absolutely not." And they denied the permit. And then they told us explicitly to close the north ramp on Friday night,
Friday afternoon. um and close it to all public. The Mass Environmental Police, the town police, um fire, rescue, and sheriffs all use that as their base.
>> Were there that many people down there? >> Yeah. For that event. And they they told them that they could not launch any snowmobiles, you know, the the uh public event. >> Yeah. They had to launch them and they got agreement to launch them over by um the legends you know where Kongan used
to be >> Kong people that one >> and so they used that >> and they made arrangements to use brass rail for parking. >> Oh they did? Yeah >> cuz it was freezing that day. >> Oh god it was cold. >> That's why I wanted Did you go down to anybody go on a flight? You didn't. It was
>> so bad that I >> I was only down there freezing. >> I didn't go >> was down there freezing putting out the barrels and and closing the gate. But you said there was a lot of people there though. >> Oh yeah, it was packed >> all over the lake down there. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> There was a mob >> because it was freezing that day and windy. I'm wondering >> I don't even know how you
>> Yeah. >> Oh, was they >> instant frostbite. >> Okay. >> But anyway, so and they are they have sent another one. This takes you to the one that was on on the 7th. There's another one scheduled for the 22nd 21st
>> and it's going to be done by Blackboard again. >> Yes. And so they have to get a permit from the Mass Environmental Police for that, >> right? But they're not allowed to do it. >> But well, no, that Mass Environmental Police can give them a permit to do the snow, but again, they cannot use the boat ramps. >> Got it. Okay.
>> So the boat ramps have to be closed and they've given us direction. Office of Fishing Boating Access has given us direction to shut them down Friday >> again >> and reopen them on Sunday. >> Did you see a lot of people trying to sneak snowmobiles out there or anything? No, because the police were down there.
They had the whole thing taken over. No, nobody would even consider >> I see them on the rail trail all the time. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which they're not supposed to. But, um, so that takes us to page 82. Takes that whole section out. And then
uh couple other things is that. So that takes us through the snow up with the my pages in here. And then um I put copies of the can I get mass
application forms there. Also, uh, Ellen has asked for some for some help because it's too much for her to do, you know, all that's going on with the with LPP and with lake management secretarial
work and try and be at the boat ramp when there's somebody not there's an O show um, you know, or early for for tournaments and whatnot. So, we're looking for another person actually we
need a in addition like two or three more ramp attendants. So, we need somebody to be like an alternate supervisor. Uh, so they can share, you know, I'll take this weekend, you take, you know, or these days. >> Can you hire them?
>> And yeah, we can hire. >> Okay. >> And we have I don't know if you've gotten a chance to talk with >> No, I wanted to get a list together. Um, Sabrina gave me some other ideas, too. >> Okay. Good. Good. But yeah, if anyone knows someone >> who would be a good fit and who would
like to do something like that, let me know. >> Yeah, because I'll train >> aim it at me and and send it to both of us. I I like to make sure we're both, you know, we're always on the same page. Uh and I do the same thing with Eric. If I send something out, I always CC him.
>> So the chair and vice chair are on the same page. Um, yeah. So, we we want to help her out with that. And let me just see if I had I think there was a couple more things. Um, we can How we doing for time? >> 25.
>> Okay, we got to last things here are the uh other matters. >> Yeah, one second. On page 83. >> Page 83. >> I want to understand Ellen's note here on nonrespondents. >> Oh, yeah. Go ahead. >> Non-respondents to what? Um, these are
people and and there's a lot on holiday um that have not for years um sent back their applications for years. >> No LPP. >> Yeah. Okay. >> They have >> It's all LP, >> but no one's enforced it. So, what are
you going to do? >> Yeah. Now, actually, Sabrina wrote a letter today um because I set aside the mass applications that have been nonresponsive and we're going to send an extra letter um like a different color paper
>> saying you have not been, you know, paying for your dog >> and fines will begin. >> Yeah. Yeah. You need to do it. >> You know, the date is by April 15th. So, I don't know. We might just we'll probably just smooth out the bees now, too. But holiday is like, wow, there's a
lot. >> Yeah. >> Well, what we can do is we can go back and look back to the photo sheet that I took of these boat. >> Ah. >> And see if they had a dot. If they didn't have a dot >> Yeah. then you don't need to buy. >> Yeah. I've been checking every single one that hasn't responded because some
people like have sold their house. That's only a couple people. >> Yeah. >> But most of them they they've had over the years. I know I know where some of these are and they've got docks. Yeah. factoring some of these I know where they are. So there there's a couple other items in my
other file that that um we've eventually want to cover and whether we do them tonight or hold off doesn't matter but it's for instance I'm getting a piece of paper back um
which I had enumerated them we have these were up in the top before to view to visit at another time large ice fishing tournaments you know with timely weighins to protect the fish. Um, you know, one of the things we have seen
before is where they leave them in buckets >> and they the buckets freeze. You know, if it's zero out and they're crazy enough to be out there fishing when it's zero out, >> you're going to have ice fish. >> Of course they do. >> Um, and then ice fishing structures. We
do occasionally get people who take them out and then leave them out there. And and the worry is there's two worries there. In some cases, they have poo buckets. >> Yeah. >> Um and or fires are illegal on the on the lake.
>> Yeah. >> That's already addressed in the bylaw and pool buckets are too because it's a pollutant. >> Yeah. >> So, u do we should we be looking to be more explicit on that? And then people have said complained in the past about our
power augers starting up at five o'clock in the morning. >> We've had that forever. >> Yeah, I know. >> And and you can't there's nothing. How do you police it? >> Well, but right now it's not there isn't anything that prohibits it. >> Yeah, there's no laws against that,
>> right? >> Nothing. >> You can't do anything about it. >> No. And again, the last thing was uh toilets and holding tanks. You know, there's another thing >> on boats. You mean during the summer? >> No, no, no. This is >> Oh, you mean in the winter? >> In the winter. Yeah.
>> Fishing. >> You know, I stay out there all day with a holding tank. >> Well, and then >> how do you how do you police that stuff? >> Well, if if the environmental police out they have they have sleds and they go out and they visit a lot of these. >> Um I don't know if RPD has has a sled or
not. I know they have ATVs. So, um, it's it's something we can consider at future meetings and chew on it, but something to think about. You know, it's things that we get complaints about from people that see it and say, you know, how come?
>> Well, the structures are the worst. If if they actually if the if the ice melts >> or they go into the water and then somebody goes out water ski with a wet suit on over here and hits one of those, it's going to break his neck. No, I mean, you know, years ago, 25, 30 years ago, I used to see lots of structures
out that people would put out and they'd leave them out there, but we haven't had much of that because we haven't had that kind of solid ice. This year, we've got it. >> Yeah. And I've seen them out there. >> Yeah. But it but the structures that I've been seeing, you know, I've been
because now you can buy these ice fishing tents. I know cuz my son ice fishes and, you know, and people don't leave those out. They set them up and take them. So I So I I could see it could be an issue. And years ago we there was plenty of it, but I haven't seen it in a long time.
>> Back in the days of Lola, remember we used to go out in this in the spring and pull out >> Oh, it was junk all over the place. >> Pulling stuff out of the lake. We'd be the first ones out there just pulling these huge things out of the lake. >> Yep. >> You know, before we go skiing. >> But it's been it's been a while now.
This year we've got a serious ice. There's no doubt. It's going to be a while. Was there any out there now? >> There was. >> There was there because I I saw like two guys ice fishing all winter. >> No, I >> I saw people out ice fishing, but I didn't see and I saw some tents. >> Yeah, there were some people out today. Exactly.
>> I didn't I didn't see any, you know, the the stuff that I saw were tents which got taken down. I didn't >> They're using alcohol heaters or little portable, you know. >> Yeah, they're using alcohol, right? >> There you go. You got to properly terminate that
>> any freezes. >> Anybody else have anything? Because I have then just one other Go ahead. >> No. >> All right. Friday, tomorrow, Friday the 13th. >> NRCS. >> Uh there's a an NRCS meeting, teams meeting again at 11 o'clock. >> 11 o'clock.
>> Yeah. In here. Are you going to plan on being physically here? >> I'll be here. >> Norm, you're going to be physically here or you going to do >> by Zoom? got a 10:30 meeting. Try to get here by 11. >> Yeah, we'll be physically here. At least
uh the two of us will be here. All right. And it's a team's meeting. And I sent everybody the link. So, just wanted to cover that. If there's nothing else, I'll entertain a motion to >> I'll make a motion that we adjourn. A
second. >> Eric. I'll second or all second. M and all in favor >> I >> unanimous bever. >> Okay and we are done.