Okay, this is the lake management committee open for business at 7 o'clock. This meeting is being recorded and anyone else that is recording this meeting must notify the chair. >> Do we have any guests on here?
>> No. Okay. I'll do the attendance. So, all right. Norm Chver here. Mike Coon's here. >> Malcolm's not here. Mike Deay here. >> Dick R's here. Scotty's not here. Eric is not here. Paul Murphy >> here. >> Paul Yokum here. >> Ken Phillips
>> here. Okay. And Ellen Curry. Okay. So, we got attendance taken care of. No guests. I a note here. And so, the next thing up for bid is the minutes from the uh 9th October 9th
meeting which are pages three and four. Hopefully everybody had a chance to read them before you came. You know, I got some changes I want to make on item number four, page one. >> Item four. Okay.
What I had submitted added to some of the things were added I don't think were really discussed uh on at the meeting. And so therefore I'm going to ask to modify this and third line from the
bottom where it says Eric commented. >> Yeah. >> All the way to the end I'm looking to strike replace it with this. Included in the discussion was the need to modify some of the actions to make them more appropriate to accomplish
pixelated the whole problem of >> you want to repeat that because I'll have to capture that. Well, I have a copy first. >> Oh, okay. >> Included in the discussion was a need to modify some of the actions to make them more appropriate to conference.
>> Okay. Got to say, um, I know Eric, I was I wasn't physically here, but I was listening and I know he did get into some of the the the details. Um, and One of the things that I I did just so
you can you'll see later on um I included information about what it actually costs, how many cubic yards because we know what that is um in the the uh perimeter of the lake.
call it the perimeter because that's what the Army Corps assessed was the 0 to 15 ft of water and they and if you look at their stats the it's really zero to about 10 ft of water where 90% of the
goo is there's only in in that chart that I included in here uh which is on page eight if you look at that's 5 mters 4 meters meters, 3 mters. So at 5 meters, there's
only one spot in zone number six, which is um that's way up in the northern part of of Middle Pond. And the So that's that's one spot. There's
nothing else at 5 meters. Then you get down to four meters and there's two spots. uh one at zone six and one zone 7 which again is the northern part of of u like between the boat ramp and point
grove road. So and we know that that's that's blue over there. So other than that, the the bulk of it is when you get down to 10 feetish, you know, 10 and less. You get down to 2
meters, 8 feet, you know, six, seven feet of water. That's where, you know, it's a real mess at one meter. That's all glue. So, and again what I did is I I added the columns on the right uh cubic yards
because they uh I summed it in cubic feet and as opposed to just me, you know, meters. Cubic meters is what they had there. So now we have cubic feet and then I converted that, you know, and divide by 27 and that gives us cubic yards because that's what you pay by.
You pay by the cubic yard of disposal and it's 50 bucks a cubic yard. So, it's easy to do the math. Um, and that's what it was. I don't know what it is. That was two years ago, I got that number. And like two years before that, it was
$35 a cubic yard. So, in two years, we went from 35 to 50. And it went 25 3550 in matter of about five years. >> Is this to dredge it or get rid of it? >> That's to dredge it and get rid of it. I will give you. >> Yeah.
>> Good. >> Combine. >> Don't the farmers take a lot of it or >> say again? >> Don't the farmers like it? >> Um, yes and no. >> The the they want it for the It depends on what you're farming because they want it for the it's very fertile,
>> but it does have weed seeds in it. So, you know, >> they uh Davis Farm, for instance, uh they took a ton of it from from previous jobs, but it did bring a lot of weeds. >> And so, >> tobacco guys don't want it.
>> They I would think they'd be more apt to use it because they, you know, they >> tobacco is a big weed anyway. >> It's a big weed anyway, right? You smoke that weed. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Other than that. >> Yeah. Right. Right. So anyway, you have
you have um that's why I put this back in here since we talk about dredging a lot and I since we have all this data, I figure it's time to dig it out again and you can stare at it. >> So that's the map and there's the the numbers that go with the map.
>> All right, I I'll go back to the approving the minutes as noted unless someone else has an issue. I want to make a motion to approve. >> All right. So that's Mike C. >> Norm
second. All in favor? >> I oppose. >> Abstain. Unanimous. I have to go down the >> I was going to say I was I wasn't here so I don't know. I mean I they looked good to me. I read through them but I wouldn't know if it was right or wrong
on anything in there. So what was said at the meeting? Well, what was said at the meeting was what was put in here, you know, tried to capture that. But I like what Norm says. You know, if we're
>> I know nothing what was said by Mike here. >> That's all he's saying. >> All right. >> No, Mike abstain. Mike D >> abain. >> Abstain. Okay. So, let me go down the Norm. >> Hi. >> Mike Kums. Hi. >> Malcolm's not here. Mike Deay abstain.
Dick Granles. Hi. Uh, Scotty was here but not here now. Eric was here but not here now. Paul Murphy, >> hi. >> Paul Yokum. >> Hi. >> Hey. Passes. Got it. All right. Concom update.
>> Yes. We approved an RDA to remove the tree on North Pond, one that's dead. records to fall on a on a house. >> Wow. >> That is the proof. >> Did they find money to u get it removed?
>> Uh Nicole hasn't found it yet. >> All right. Looking for it though. She's looking for it. >> Yeah, >> that's good. >> And I had had a discussion with a town attorney Mark Veline about Lily D and his north farm.
>> That's not really there, right? Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. And so I had taken a bunch of notes from my in that meeting most of them for you. >> Willy Drive is a private way that is not owned by the town.
>> That's correct. >> Unless someone can find where it was conveyed to the town. No one has. >> The only way it was conveyed, just so you understand, it was the the U original subdivision. two of them actually merge into where
Lily Drive is located. Um, but each of those subdivisions had them on there. They were part of the subdivision. So, they're paper roads that were never constructed as a paved way, but there are many of those, by the way, that are still there.
>> Yeah. >> Uh, Helen Street, Rodman Court, and and all those that are off of between Bungalow and North Lake A and whatnot. Uh those are paper roads and in fact the town is actually going to use Rodman
Court. Um they put a water mane down it because it it stayed it it's retained by the aggregate of the um subdivision. So because it was conveyed also we have
to be careful. There are a lot of properties in those subdivisions. And those aren't the only ones where people have deeded rights to access the water. Doesn't say you can have a dock. It says to access the water. So you can get your pitties in
the water. >> They do. >> Yeah. And it's so it says you have a deed rate to get to the water even though you are not quote unquote waterfront. So, we have to make sure and those people are not um in many cases as
in the case of of Eagle Castle and and um Lake Lake View. It's one more. Um, that's another one where there's a whole bunch of people that have deed have in their deed that they have the right to go down to the
water on what was on the original maps of the subdivision. And we had one guy who took over a chunk of that. And the people are are absolutely bonkers. >> The ones that live on I think it's Eagle. It's either Eagle or Castle.
there's a a big brewhaha going on there because they took away their rights. >> So, that's one of the things you have to be careful. I'm not sure that Mark Beglane understands that. I've read those deeds. I took the time to go because people came in and complained about it. >> Yeah.
>> So, I went and I as part of my due diligence for a right of way, I have to read what the conditions are in deeds. And once that was pointed out, then I had to go through all those all those deeds and I found a bunch of them and
it's not everyone which is peculiar. >> Yeah. >> So, it's something to think about. Plus, the town The other thing I want to say is the town does have infrastructure. They have drainage that was in there originally has been upgraded through the
319 grant to clean the storm water. And that's in that Lily Way. So, we have to reserve a right to, you know, like an easement, a drainage easement has to stay in place.
>> You just gave the I'm done. >> Yeah. Go ahead. >> No, you took it over. You didn't let me finish. It's rude. Jeez. The original owner was HS Rainville who
established Bungalow Heights, April 1915, and it's on the registry of deeds. The original road, Lily Drive, was laid out to be 25 ft wide, and today we know it's a lot less than that. The specific
area of contention is a space called reservation. This is an area at the shoreline that was used by all the Bungalow Heights neighbors. The original plans show a structure of some kind, perhaps a pav pavilion on the property
with a dock extending into the lake. Properties that are But Lily Drive and do not intersect with reservation property could apply for derelic street process to take ownership of the property between their lot and the lake.
Properties that are buttly drive and then touch the reservation property cannot use the derelct street process to take ownership unless they can show that the reservation property was conveyed to the owner of the property.
>> So there are two originally there were several lots that applied to the res reservation property. They've been consolidated over time and there's two addresses that remain in this category and that's 109 Bungalow Street parcel 48
owner is Terra Gor Gor Goret Gorsuch Gorrence >> Lawrence and 60 Lakemon Street partial number 59 owners Robin and Helen Miller technically 109 Bungalow Street and 60
Lakemon Street do not qualify for a dock, but the attorney begine says the town could grant them one and conservation plans to grant them if they have >> permission. All of the other properties
that own property that are Buttsy Drive should be allowed to have docks. Important to note that 129 Lake View Avenue has docks on their property that are Buttsley Drive. and also has docks on property that they do not own but
have an easement for a septic system. And the last item, contrary to prior comment from Randy Brown, there are some storm drain structures in Ly Drive. The town must be sure to have access to those as well as looping for sewer lines and other
possible future projects. So, I passed this along to our uh chief administrative officer, Nicole, and she thanked me and she'll if she wants something direct from Beine that
authorizes this >> because they and like you said, they're they're going to have to define um some kind of a width and usually easements for pipes are are in the range of about 15 ft so you can get a machine in
>> minimum. Uh most today are 30 feet wide. But um so they would need to define >> where those are um and any future as you said any future locations >> for drainage, sewer, water cuz the there
was a plan originally uh from my DPW time to loop Lakemont and veteran and bungalow water man mains because they're all deadended right now
and and The town has been eliminating dead end water manes because you have to flush very very often to keep them, you know, keep fresh water in there. Okay, next item. Uh, planting. We had a planting plan that was supposed to take
place this Saturday in the North Barn Conservation Area. We have postponed that basically for two reasons. There was still too much work to get done to be prepared for it and secondarily part of it's in the 100 foot buffer. >> Oh, >> and we decided we needed an RDA.
>> So rather than take any criticis criticism from the public for >> not having a good job, >> we postponed it to the >> right to spring. >> Do we have the plants or or >> Well, that was what I had to verify that
we weren't on the hook for the plants. >> Yeah. Right. for we weren't on the hook for the plants. >> Good. So, >> on the retaining wall issue on South Pond, uh when I talked to Begline, I talked to
him about this wall too because he was going to send a letter to the attorney in Southfield. He did send it and it was back in August that he sent it and and I asked him to forward that to me because I didn't see a copy of it. And I
had to send him another email saying I didn't get a copy of it. And apparently the secretary had the wrong email address for me. So now I don't have it. >> And I pass it on to Nicole and say and asked if if she would like to respond to
a column role >> um just positionwise. >> Yeah. Like like CEO to CEO. >> Yeah. Rather than have me do it. Yeah. I said I'll be glad to do it. She hasn't responded back to me yet. Okay. Report from the Southfield
Conservation Commission. Their last meeting was cancelled. >> Okay. And that is the concom update. >> Okay. NPIT is the next one on the agenda. Couple of points there. We're still
working promise completions. It's interesting. We've got some sponsors here. They're excited about taking part. We got some renewal range and we had at least one that all has negative don't want to participate at all.
>> I won't comment. >> Okay. >> And we're working on our annual presentation to the select board and funding board with the host in early and I'll put something together. >> Okay. Thank you.
Uh CRC updates. Uh do you have anything to share? No. Michelle Michelle anything? >> No. Okay. >> I have a quick question. Did is Michelle still president? I think you had voting for offices. >> They're still in. She stayed. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> And they have alternate terms to two that they do one time and another two that they do the other. >> Okay. Good. All right. Who is vice president? >> Scott Barus. Yeah. >> Okay.
As VP. Okay. But he's going to join us on Saturday. Scott and she gave me three names. >> I've got another name, too. It might be one of the ones you have. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that's good. >> So, what time are we doing Saturday?
>> 8 o'clock. Okay. and we'll we'll talk about that when we get down to that item. Um, the LPP process timing, all I did was include, we don't have to go over it, but I include the cleanup version
of of what uh you presented when when I wasn't here. So, they have >> that the program annual timeline is talking about >> LTP. >> Yes, that's what it's talking about. >> Yeah. which is >> I sent you an email and commented on
that I think on that one right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then and here's the issue on the on the May check for stickers in June. Check for stickers. Mike Deay and I do South Pond every year in July. Out of I
don't know how many houses are on that. Less than 5% have stickers. Every year we do 120 houses. nine stickers. Is that correct? >> True. >> True. So, I don't think you're ever going to find stickers in May and June. People just do not put them on. And And
I understand where Norm's coming from, Ellen. You know, you want to get it. I understand it. But I mean, we can easily go out, but I can tell you there's just Norman and you know, there's just not a lot of stickers out there. >> Yep. >> No, that's true. >> They have them by Ellen's numbers and
and so forth. >> They physically have stickers. >> Quite a few. But if you physically drive around, I mean, I don't even know if we ever see any on boats. >> Never mind the dog. >> Me, I mean, I see half the boat. >> And forget the ones with with the addresses. They those don't even exist.
>> So, you're lucky you got a little round sticker on. >> I wonder if if some education >> I don't know what to do, >> but I wonder. >> I wonder if some education would help there because people the the reason for having the numbers on the dock. We know it's though when you're out on the
water, you know where you are or in an emergency >> cuz most of the people and let's say let's say you're not even from the area. Yeah. >> You know when you're out there and you see something happen >> and you go, >> "Yeah, it's on the water. >> I'm in middle pond. Where are you? I'm
in middle pond." I mean, I've seen them drive up almost every side street and ambulance and a fire truck trying >> to find out >> Yep. when we had the drownings where the issues were >> and and they just it took just took forever to find them. >> Yeah. >> Because they don't know. But
>> I think maybe maybe that's something that we could put in the letter that goes out. You know, why that stick why that number is so important. Um you know it's for it's for safety on the water for getting >> that's that was it intent.
>> Yeah. >> Now Noms is the only one you can read because it uses 5 inch high lettuce. >> Well, you can read mine too. I I have both minor >> mine are like the three and you know you but still if you're out there you can go oh there it is. So >> yeah
actually all the pieces of the dock all sections of the dock are supposed to have that number on it small one inch >> uh is all you need. But that's in case it gets loose >> away. But if it's a one piece aluminum and they're all bolted together it's just
one. >> It's just one. Yeah. Right. Exactly. But anyway, that was my only comment. >> So maybe maybe we could consider that putting it in the letter. >> Yep. >> Now what I want to know >> and maybe even the news has a question. >> Yeah. Is is the fine for either or both?
Is it for they do not have their sticker period or they do not have their sticker on? What is what are the fines for? If you're going out kickers out >> question,
>> are we finding them? >> No, I couldn't see how you >> I don't do that. I don't >> we've ever find anybody that that had a sticker that didn't have it on there. >> Yeah. On the dock. >> We haven't even find people that don't have their stickers or don't care about it.
>> To say you got one on this, not on that. >> It's never even filled out a permit. >> Yeah. So, should we just go I mean, why bother going out? Should we just go by our records? >> That's what I said in the thing. Do we go by the records? Probably a lot easier. >> Yeah. >> But again, we like to see them out
there, you know. I mean, I know that's what normal. >> It's a safety issue. That's what the numbers are. >> For those stickers, >> it's food for thought. >> Yeah. We got a little think about it. >> I think we can do a lot with the letter.
>> Yeah. And and I think if you know on the news too, you know, yeah, it's in the news. It's hey you guys got to do this. This is a lake safety concern. It's not just >> even even on the town even on the town website where you have the LPP. >> Um that could be a box on there that
says uh numbers on docks required because you know this is this is your address when you're on the water. >> Yeah. So for for getting emergency services out there >> in a timely manner and like like you
said, Mike, I' I've seen the same driver where they're wandering around looking. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're up and down every side street trying to get to the water. >> Got location codes. Right. >> Right. >> That's more important than the sticker. >> Sell it that way versus selling it. If you don't have your sticker, you're going to get fined. >> Yeah.
>> You might have better luck selling it for a safety reason. >> Yeah. >> Not for just because we're going to find you. >> Yeah. and and it's got to be legible. That's why we went with I think three inch minimum >> uh letters. >> Okay.
>> But I think I agree. I think we can solve it um by stressing why it's there. You know, >> it's really for everybody's safety. Um water quality death not circle. I don't think anybody has any information
on that because that's Eric has been chasing that. >> All right. >> We'll do an issue there. >> Yeah. It's it's runoff. It's that canal that that comes in from the Chestnut Circle. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Uh properties. Yeah.
>> And it also is we suspect because the numbers have been high when when uh the water was tested there right at the mouth of it. They were high and and Eric was gonna I got permission to go further upstream on that from the land owners
>> and the back filling >> and we think that it's coming from the farm >> where they're back filling. >> Yeah. >> On road >> because that's if you look at it on the uh on the maps you can see that all that's all connected >> and it goes under uh Bab Road. >> Bab Road. Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Cuz the the next property down that guy was starting to fill in something too, I think. >> Yeah. Right. has a pawn on his >> right. >> All right. >> So that's what may be the cause. >> Okay. >> Um so the next thing is NRCS
uh pages 12 through 15. And we had the the uh conference call with Far Engineering B Engineering and uh
NRCS is not on those calls right now because they're they're furoughed. >> They're fur >> but uh PAR is continuing on. They're really moving >> and it was a very productive call. I bracketed you'll see the the dark lines there. Those are things that the town is
going to where a town is going to provide more information to PAR. Uh couple things that they're looking for uh and I'm trying to get them is there were cings done for the uh culverts into north between middle and north and
between middle and south pond. There were cings done at that time. >> That data unfortunately resides with the company that um did the sewer design. I don't know whether or not we can whether they kept all that said we're talking
2004 um you know or they they said they archived it and I've tried to get other data on that program and they can't find it. So, I will continue to try, but I also
asked um Kevin Soer for water department because there should be similar pourings that were done for our wells and and there are test wells all around there. So, he's going to see if he can get the cing data from the test wells
>> because that'll tell us what the uh when they drill the well, it's a grally it's grally sand all the way down to the one is 130 something feet. The other ones like 1C bedrock there. >> Yeah, they never hit bedrock. They they're right into the aquifer. They're
right into just the water. >> Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, and then economic benefits. So if anybody thinks of, you know, as you got your thinking cap on, uh there's some obvious ones, you know, the value of the land around them, but
then there's also people that visit, people then that visit that go to stores, they go buy gas. Um food, all that kind of stuff, >> all that kind of stuff. So, anything you can think of cuz they need that in order to justify the construction part of it, not what they're doing now.
>> Mhm. >> So, you know, if you can put your thinking caps on everybody. >> So, the revenue that generated by the lake, >> right, direct or indirect, doesn't matter. >> Take it from the taxes that people live on the lake
>> that we got that we got a big number. But then, like I said, there's a lot of other economic benefits. >> Sure. >> I mean, big restaurants, you know, that are on the lake. There's a lot of money comes into those restaurants. >> So,
um, >> and gas and, you know, people buy fuel and and so on. >> And there's lake rentals. >> Lake rentals. >> Yeah. >> Uh, rentals. >> The south the south. The next thing is
pages 16 through 21. The South Ramp dredge earmark. That's actually I just want to explain it's an earmark. It's It's not a check. The check's not in the mail. The check they have to get
that money released, but it is a 500k earmark. Mhm. >> And and uh Senator Mark and our representative Nick Ba and couplers are working to get that money uh released
to the town. We had a really good teams meeting with Mass D uh DCR um Senator Mark's office uh we had several people from here was you know on on the team's meeting and it
went I think it went very very well because their action items out of that I'm providing a lot of data as as is nor um Eric on water quality that's part of what they want for this their intent um
is to help justify the the need to release the money now. You know, don't wait. It's important to do it now. One of the things that's very important for it's the headarters for Great Brook, which is the NRCS project. >> So, besides being, you know, getting
that glue out of that cove, it also happens to block getting water the free flow out. So again, look for creative. If anybody thinks of benefits of of doing that dredging,
give me a shout. Um, next one, 159 Bergkshire Avenue, which has been on there been on here for 22 to 24. And Nicole was going, she had checked in to
see because we do not have a building inspector right now. They still have not found a replacement and they're using one borrowing one from Granville and he just is part-time, you know, comes here and does a few things, puts out a a few fires, but they have
Nicole shared with me that they have several cease and desist orders that they need to have issued. She asked if she could issue them as CAO. The answer from the state was no. The >> chief said no. Huh? The chief said no.
The state >> The state said no. >> The state said no. >> Yeah. >> So that ended that. So, but she will continue. Uh she's going to see if she can get our part-time building inspector to issue them issue it and the other
ones too because she says there few others that are very direly needed, you know. So, we'll see what happens there. I don't know if anybody thinks we need to get another letter out. I think, you know, this kind
of summarized it. I tried to keep it brief. Um, we provided endless information on what what went on and you read in the last one in the last meeting was all the stuff that was on social media,
>> you know, the GoFundMe and all that. So, this was just saying, "Hey, here's what happened and when." Um, that gets us through unless somebody has any questions on 159.
>> Uh, the next one before we get out and get stuff because I was here at the last minute, what do we end up believing the stories because they're going in both directions. >> The the stuff Okay. >> The stuff
>> the stuff that was in the social media was put in there by relatives of >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. I figured that off from the name. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I just wonder who you believe that's my opinions. But >> yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah.
Um, and then and and the the thing that we're pressing for to just wrap wrap that one up is do not construct another empoundment area, another detention pond
until it's properly designed, permitted, and and and the design is approved by everybody because what they've done, they don't have a drawing. They keep saying, "Well, we'll change this and we'll do that." And and
they're not building it to approved set of plans. And that's what even John Gdddard, who's our stormwater guy, he says he he's already rejected it several times because it doesn't say what they're going to do.
And I started out with small stones um for the overflow area and those will go like bowling balls right into the lake. Small bowling balls, the old candle pin balls. Uh because that was the size. And
I've seen waters move, you know, two foot, three foot diameter rocks when we had that that flood on that took out uh the wall on uh South Longard Road. Remember, we had to close that road
>> and it rolled huge boulders >> and because our historical commission wanted us to get them back. I said, "We can't even find them. We don't know where they are. They're not even anywhere in sight. on. I mean,
it's amazing what water can do. >> So, that's why we were pressing to have gabian blocks, gave um gabian baskets, rock fil gave baskets, not rocks that can roll
>> cuz those are those are what are on our one that we have across the street and they work fine. Never had a problem with them >> in the heaviest rain. and and they are all locked together. So they're not it's not and water can go through them. That's the other thing. It bleeds through them slowly. It doesn't roar
through them. So at any rate, that's why we're we're pressing, you know, don't start just clean up what you got there, stabilize it, and vegetate it and leave it alone. Um
so the next thing this came about, it's kind of strange. We got this input, Eric and I got this input from this company called TRC and it's a consulting company for Mass D. But we get a all we did was get an
email and you've got the whole thing here, the whole string, but we got an email saying we want to have a public hearing about what's being done to clean up Konga. Well, you know, so then you can see I
questioned. So then, long story short, I had a really nice long conversation with the with Holly Brown, who was the I think it's Holly Brown, right? >> Yes. >> Yes. Uh at Mass D. She was very helpful. She explained what they want to do is is
help. They want to be able to if if calculations are needed, if permitting is needed, if funding is needed. Uh we we do have a TMDL, total max daily load, because we're part of what flows ultimately into Long Island Sound. So if
you go back upstream, it's Long Island Sound, Connecticut River, Farmington River, Westfield River. We flow into the Farmington into the Westfield River ultimately. So we are part of that and we and our waters are impaired. We know that. >> Yeah.
>> Um all three ponds. So, and we've done a lot to clean up the water and we have the evidence to show what it's done to the water quality and she was really So, I sent her all that data and uh so we they still want to have the
meeting. It's November 13th, which is a what I say that's a Thursday. November 13th at 1:30 p.m. It will be a Zoom meeting and Ellen has already taken out the U information for the Zoom meeting and we will it's it's too early
to put it on the website or you know nobody will look at it. But if we we'll get it into the newspaper, we'll get it into uh published view early in November. And so and because it will be a public
meeting, everybody's invited to to participate. >> Will it be here? >> It'll be here in this room. Yeah. Yeah. I already earmarked this room for it. So, and it sounds like it could be a very productive meeting. The TRC is
working for Mass E. We also had on mass DCRs. Cara uh that does our hydraula work. >> Yes. she's on that >> and and so uh she was very helpful too and she's going to send a lot of
information that we gathered for the hydrilla work to uh mass D and I will be sending more and more data that what they wanted was uh examples of where we've done dredging in Cong and
we've done probably a half a dozen easily a half a dozen not necessarily just the town But the state was when they built the um the culvert, the south culvert. First was the north culvert, then the south culvert, the fishing
pier. We did a dredging project right along uh the uh north boat ramp. That's probably 20 something years ago now. And so we have all those I I was going through all the records downstairs. I've
got about inch and a half of paper for all the permitting that we did for those just for those three alone. Um, and there were there were some borings done and that I'm trying to get that data. But they were they were very pleased that we have all that cuz they
said that will help with what we want to do uh to eventually relieve a lot of the muck in in Congam because they it sounds like they would be willing to help support getting funding to do that work which is that's
good thing because they want to clean up they want to clean up Cong because it has a TMDL. >> Okay. So anyway, that was productive. Um, the next thing I have on here is we're
going to Pull the ramp, the docks at the north ramp on Saturday morning, 8 a.m. We're going to meet there, get those three out. Uh, I also sent a note off, an email off to the chief and to Mike
West, uh, the sergeant who has the dive team about trying to locate the second bilical screw. >> They've got one has an orange ball on it. The other one they couldn't find that day. So, he's gonna he's gonna
still try and find it because he thinks he can find it either magnetically uh because it's it's steel and the chain the heavy chain is all steel. >> Yeah. >> You're not going to find the aluminum that way, but you could find. But they also have metal dete detectors that they can they can try. Yeah.
>> So, they're going to try that. >> So, I asked them to try and get that before winter sets in. >> Uh and right now we have myself, you're going to be there. you you're going to be there. Um so we have the two Paul's
uh Scott Peruse. Uh Brian Walker. Um there's a U Michelle's going to be there, but she said I'm not lifting anything. And Chris is going to be there. He's not lifting. Their son Jackson might be there. And
maybe John Kaine. There's a Kevin um Maloney and one other uh I gotta think of his name. Tom Cowi may be there. So >> plenty of help. >> Yeah. If we can get them and
>> I have another volunteer as well. I just don't remember his name. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He's from CRC. >> Okay. That'd be great. So the more faster we can get it done then. >> Well, you only have the three too, so you're not even chasing, >> right? We're not chasing that long one. go pretty quick. >> Yeah. And really doing those three, you
don't even have to go in the lake, you know. A wonderful way. >> Oh, yeah. I'll bring the I'll bring the waiters along if you don't have them. >> Uh whoever's coming, I'll bring some extra pairs of waiters. Uh chest waiters. But we should only have to get
our feet wet, not not um go swimming. Well, now that we canled the party, the planning party, I I >> Oh, you're available. You >> need Okay. Yeah. This, you know, we've we've all done it and it's easier to to explain to people who have done it.
>> Tripping over each other. >> Yeah. If I was here, I'd do it. We're We're out of time, but Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It should go quick. >> Should grab that 516 wrench. Just pull those. >> Oh, yeah. Um so now the the last thing and then I'll
take anything for other is the hydraula treatment that's proposed for this map that you have. Um there's a little bit of of uh what do you call it? Eurasian water milk oil here and there. Mhm.
>> It may be I I after talking to to Dom, that's pretty late to try and treat it because it dies off. >> Oh, okay. >> Naturally, you know, it just decays. Um, but he asked, could they treat next week
just treat these spots that are on here? So, that's why I want to put up to you guys, you know, because we started we started talking about it and we have to decide there are pros and cons. You know, the the big pro is we're trying to beat it down. And it's kind of like jumping
halfway to the wall each time. You don't you don't get to the wall, you get closer and closer to the wall. But where hydrella has taken over, as in the Connecticut River, we don't want to have happen. We don't want to not beat it down. Are are you looking for a formal
vote or just >> I think we I think we should I think we should say, you know, um that we concur that it should be treated and and that that's my feeling is we should treat it uh and not let it get ahead of us because if it if it it grows
uh at a different rate than than the uh Eurasian watermill foil and the curly leaf pondweed, they're they're out of sync. So, you know, we could wind up with a lot of it again in the spring if we don't beat it down now.
And the other thing is is doing it now, too. There's not much boat traffic in the in those little coes. >> There's no boat traffic, >> right? No boat traffic. >> It'll just be the die hards that are saying, "Oh, yeah. >> It's just going to be some fisherman."
Do you think we're going to end up doing double treatments every summer because of the different >> Oh, definitely. We'll be >> a different growing season. >> It'll be double treatments. >> That's tough. >> In this case, it's three, you know, because this is our first year of of treating hydrillaa.
>> So, the pros are good. What's the cons? Cost. >> Well, and the cost. We have it. >> Yeah. It's funded by the grant. It's not We don't have to use town funds. >> I think it's a non-issue. Well, the public don't cry. >> Yeah. Let him cry.
>> We're doing the right thing for the lake. I can live with that. >> Yeah. The last one hit during the summer season. So when there was people in the water >> Yeah. >> that put be on it one day sh >> Yeah. Well, and that was, you know,
>> started social media somebody's impression of truth. But so if if you concur, I take a motion from somebody to to do it. >> I I I make a motion that we we move
forward with doing it. >> Okay. And a second from somebody. >> All M. >> All in favor? >> I >> opposed. Abstain. Unanimous. And I will do an affirmation here. my
paper. Okay. Where'd you go? Yeah. Okay. So, we have Norm Fever. >> Hi, >> Mike Kums. >> Hi. >> Uh, Malcolm Mike Debay. >> Dick Granles. I >> uh Paul Murphy. Hi.
>> Paul Yokum. Hi. Okay. Unanimous. Affirmed. Will we just post? >> Yeah, we'll post and I will get those out as soon as he sends me the u uh >> location >> the no the the poster
>> with the it'll have the locations on the poster like he did the last time. >> So as soon as he sends that uh then I will print those and I'll I'll text you you know that. >> So who do we have? >> You'll get a date. Yeah, we should post
probably. We don't have a date yet from because they were going to go towards the end of next week, but I would say we'd want to post like Sunday or Monday. Um, likely. >> I think you have to have a date though before you can post.
>> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. And I should have that date tomorrow. >> Okay. >> Yeah. He because I I got the email from him. I replied to him. He will reply to me tomorrow morning. >> Great. Okay. >> And give me the poster tomorrow morning.
All right. And And who do we have for >> I won't be in town. >> You're not in town to put up posters. We need they Well, you can see it's very small area. >> It doesn't even look like you're in North Pond. >> There's There's nothing. Yeah, there's nothing in North Pond.
>> I'll take that. I usually take self, but I don't there's not much there either. You got one restaurant. >> Yeah, it's Middle Pond. It's the northern part of Middle Pond and the um >> the little cove there. >> Little Cove >> and then
Yeah, that little area there. >> Yeah. So, we need need that post. >> I'm available but not not Sunday. >> Okay. But maybe Monday or something like that. Monday. >> All right. So, let me put Norm.
Uh, you available to take any of >> I can take the ones on South. >> Okay. >> Why? South. North. That's the only two areas. North area, which is Middle Pond.
>> Yeah. >> All right. I can break it up. I'll look at it and kind of make sense out of it. >> Need something. I can I usually do soft fire. If you have, that's fine. I don't. That's like one area. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Sometimes it helps if you know the area, you know.
>> Over here is sunset. So that on that side if that's over here is >> the restaurant. >> A restaurant. >> Yeah. That looks like where most of it is. >> The only thing bad about the restaurant, there's not a lot of places to put anything up without stapling on their building.
>> Well, I've opted not to or a boat that's there. >> The old Krabies. >> Yeah, the old Krabby. >> Yeah. Well, I put posters up there on the 4x4s for the ramps down to the docks. >> Oh, did you? >> Yeah. And I asked for them asked them if
I could do that and they said fine. >> Okay. So, I put them on the parking lot side so when they pull in they're going to see. >> No, it sounds like you've already talked to them. So, that would be good if you cover south. Yeah, >> that's good. >> All right. All righty. And I think that's, you
know, not going to be a big posting. We'll post the ramps, too. you know, just uh that just goes without saying. I I normally the at north what I usually do if I and I go down and check it, but I put down by the launch area and on the
long part where people uh fish. >> Yeah. >> You know, the grassy area and cuz that's pretty close to where this is going to get treated >> and and the launch. And then I also put it on the utility pole that goes out by the gazebo, you know, the walkway by the
gazebo. So it covers where people are going to be. >> Yeah. >> And the south we can just put down at at the utility poles, one on the by the water and one by the fence that's got south cover and one on the building
>> that's got south covered. Uh, and I will I'll do the count and I'll put them in my They'll be in my uh cauldron and I'll do everybody by uh text. Okay. Um, does anybody have anything
else? Did someone pull the boys? They're all gone. >> Yes. Yeah. Uh, there's one still floating in my cove, though. A white one. >> Oh, there is. >> Yeah. >> Oh, been there like for a week. I don't know if it broke loose at one point, but it still >> You've got a boat in the You got a boat
in the water? No. Nothing. Right at Kurt's almost at Kurt's house. Kurt's house. >> Right in that little corner there where the state land is. >> They probably didn't see it cuz Rick Wilock pulled them. >> Okay. I don't know whether that broke loose from somebody else, but it's looks like ours.
>> Look like one of ours. >> Yeah. I don't >> if I'm out with the What I can do is take the the LMC boat still in on our dock. >> Yeah. >> So, all right. So, >> yeah, just take a look. It's >> by Kurt. >> Yeah. Right on Mountain Road there.
>> Okay. Yeah, if it's one of ours, we'll grab it. >> Yeah, looks like it, but I don't know. >> Okay. And we are going to switch out. Just a funny story about a couple of those buoys. Um, I noticed that we had
probably three that I saw that are sitting in the water like this because they're so water logged. >> And those are the old kind >> old ones. >> And so those are going to get they're they're done. They are not going back in the water. >> Um, and we've got plenty of of the roto
molded ones and they do not leak, >> which is what's good. I mean, you'd have to you'd have to literally hit it with a a prop and lay it open to make it leak. >> Happens. >> Yeah. But the other the other ones, what
the problem with the other ones are is is they are basically glued the top section to the bottom. >> And as they uh get old, that glue separates and then the water goes in. When you put them in, they don't weigh much. When you take them out, they weigh
300 lb each. So anyway, does anybody have anything else we need to >> um November and December meetings? We're down to one again. >> We're going to Yeah. One in November, one December >> standard. >> Yes. Yes. November, December, January, February, March.
>> Yeah. They're always the first the second Tuesday of the month. >> Second Tuesday of the month, right? >> Cool. >> And they'll all be Zoom. We probably will not do depending on how many people we have. We may not do them as hybrid. We may just do them as Zoom. Straight Zoom. >> Sure. I'll take a reading on who's physically in the state.
>> Yeah. >> There's no point in shingling a path here if if uh >> Yeah. >> Everybody's home. >> Yeah. And it's >> in Florida >> pretty mild in the winter as far as the agenda. So, >> yeah. >> Oh, yeah. You know, it starts tailing
off there quite a bit. >> All righty. Uh nothing else? >> No. >> All right. I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. Let me just make sure I don't have anything else. No. So, a motion to adjurnn.
>> I'll do that. I so move it. Oh, I a second. Mike D. All in favor? Opposed? Abstain. Unanimous.