Hey, this is the Lake Management Committee meeting. Uh, it's a hybrid Zoom and it's being recorded. There's anyone else out there that's recording, uh, please notify us so we can add you to the list. >> Who is requesting feing pool?
>> Okay, you're on. >> Who was that requesting for? Cliff and Clark. Okay. All righty. Uh, let me take my tenants. So, Norm Chver here, Mike Pums here, Malcolm Debet here, Mike Deet here, Dick
Randles here, Scotty Graves, >> sir, >> Zoom, um, Eric Mueller here, >> Paul Murphy is not here. Paul Yok >> here. Okay, got everybody accounted for. >> Uh, minutes from the last meeting, the
10:23 meeting. >> Yeah, and I missed that meeting. So, So any comments, changes, additions? >> I make a motion we accept all of them. >> Second. >> Mike D. Norm.
>> All in favor? >> Opposed. >> Stain. >> I I have to abstain because I wasn't there. >> Minus. Yeah. Yeah. Minus. I wasn't either. I wasn't here last meeting. >> Okay. And
Yes. >> And I have to do the affirmation here. So, Norm Chver, >> hi. Uh, >> Mike Kums, hi. >> Malcolm Deb, hi. >> Mike Deb, >> hi. >> Dick Granles, I Scotty Graves, >> Dana, I wasn't there. >> Okay, Eric Muller, you weren't there.
Uh, Paul Yokum, >> hi. >> Okay, affirmed. That takes care of that. Any public comments? Oh, no. Saying none. Hearing none. None. All right. Concom update. Norm. There's
a couple items. We had an NOI for 142 Bergkshire Avenue for a proposed repair of a deck installation of two stolen walls and a set of stairs. Interesting to note, this is a
location that in the past has never applied for anything but one day. Can you make progress? >> Good. I got the video. >> It was really got the video. >> You did? >> I did. >> Awesome. >> Took a while, but I've got it. >> Had an RDA at 24 Veterans Street,
removal of 10 hemlock trees that were diseased, and we approved that. >> Okay. And we had a discussion on bill H3415, which is a new bill to hold contractors liable from unpermitted work in buffer
zones, which we endorse. >> And so is that a state bill? >> Yeah. >> Ah, okay. I didn't realize that. I thought that was local. >> That's a state bill. >> Ah, yeah. >> All right. So, I misread that when I when I saw it. >> That would change the game. >> Oh, yeah. >> Absolutely.
>> Yeah. >> Absolutely. That's a good one. >> I had submitted a thin little proposal to conservation over the summer to >> do it locally. >> Do it locally. They just even want to take it on at this point in time.
>> Okay. Be nice if they do it statewide. That's >> Yes. >> Then it's easy. >> Yep. >> Uh nothing new on the Stonewall and 485 Lake View Street or Lake View Drive. >> Mhm. Well, the last meeting of the
conservation commission was cancelled. That was the suffer conservation commission. She has to report from concom. >> I would ask um we we'll cover it. Um
no, we won't. 157 Feeding Hills Road is on the uh planning board's purview. That's where the guy wants to permit those four buildings that he's built without any permits. That's the restaurant there.
>> And the issue that >> Oh, yes. >> that we had pointed out was they were built in the flood plane, >> right? >> Was that down at the tea house or whatever? >> Yeah. And if those things if those things get loose, >> they're gonna totally clog the bridge
that goes under Feeding Hills Road, which already went out in the hurricane of 55. So it'll he'll put that somewhere in Westfield. So you know u hoping that KO will take a position that keep him out of the flood
plane. >> Okay, >> that's all I had a comment on there. >> Okay, >> and next we have Empic update. >> No new information from Empic. Nothing new. That's
moves past. All right. CRC update. Michelle, are you on by any chance? >> They've had the meeting of the year. >> Okay. >> Already done. >> And um they are selling tickets for the winter
dinner slash dance. >> That's at Brass Rail, right? Yeah. >> What's the date on that? >> I knew you'd ask. >> I'll put it in the minutes. >> I can find out. I don't know. Pop my head. >> All right. Date question mark. If you can just text it to me. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. That's Paul. >> Okay. Um water level which is pages 10 and 11. >> We're a little high. >> Yeah. But the what was what prompted
pages 10 and 11 was the question which is on page 11 that came from John Goddard. He got an input from a resident a lakefront resident that's saying the level was up >> uh you know >> six inches which it's not it's up two
inches. >> And that's what I explained. I said but people really they they don't understand the difference between horizontal and vertical. They see horizontal movement of six feet. >> What are you going to do? >> Yeah. So, I explained it.
>> Yeah, >> I think enough said. Um, and let's see. The next next thing was the hydraulic treatment, which is pages 12 through 14.
>> Well, that went well. >> That went well. four and a half acres. Um, >> a nice compact. >> Yeah. Two, you could see the the the locations small, which is that's good news, you know, and it's good to get rid
of it now so that it's not um growing first thing in the spring. And uh that's really minimal minimal treatment. four and a half acres out of 460 something 62 or whatever it is. >> And the water's got to be cold now. It's
got to be going way. >> Oh yeah, it's gone. It dropped way. >> Probably below the temperature actually do it now. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. They couldn't do it now. Um and we paid the bills for Solitude and Stantech. Those are done. Uh I think
that those are the last bills for this season. I don't think anybody will be doing any more um contract work on the hydrella. Uh but that was good news that it was only found in those small places. Y
>> the shallow area dredging your mark which is pages 14. I stuffed these in after because I u it came out in the uh penny saver. So the we had a good meeting. It was a a
was a team's meeting also, right? Or was that zoom? I can't doesn't matter with the um senator Mark's people. Mass D was on DCR um alphabet soup. It was a a quite the
quite the meeting. Very very productive. And as a result, they asked me to give them examples of dredging projects because we've done probably I was without counting them right now, but I would say
it's a good half dozen that we've done over the over the years, over the decades. And the first one was by the north ramp. Uh then we did then there was the one for and I'm not I may have the order wrong but we had the point
grow road uh culvert which was done as part of that state project that I got the grant money for to do that that culvert uh and then similarly for the south culvert and then the
uh fishing pier redoing of the north ramp. uh launch area and redoing of the south ramp launch area. Those were both state projects. Three of those were state projects. So uh you know they're all done on Kong. The other one was the old
section of the canal, a piece that's between the mainland and the island. So we have data on all those. I sent uh to these people uh as requested. I sent them copies of the notices of intent, the water quality
searchs, the uh you know all the different forms that you have to file for doing dredging which is what they asked for. And then I gave them uh I've sent them a lot of other information that we have, you
know, your yours on water quality and lake level and >> just uh gave them kind of, you know, here's what we do. And because what they were looking for is experience in doing a project like that. Would we know what to do, how to do it?
And the answer is yes. Been there, done that. So they were they were happy. And I'm staying in touch with the with the uh people. Oh, and uh DCR was on that and uh that's our contact for the hydrillaa.
So that was a a she was very helpful and kind of gave us a a banana boy for all the work that we do with them. So that's that's that. Um any
uh any questions on on either of those, you know, the hydraulic treatment or the shallow area? >> So, >> and we still have the 100k. Um it did not get taken back. CPC funding, CPA
funds that were uh put in for a buffer >> in case we, you know, we overrun whatever money we can get from the state. Hopefully, we don't have to touch it. And so the 159 Birkshere
um >> what page is that on? >> That's page 15. Hold on. Okay. And uh that's as you know is is right now they're doing excavating.
>> It also it looks like I can't be sure but it doesn't look like they're following the path of the of the uh stream. >> It looks like it's quite a bit to the north where they've excavated quite a bit and they've got a pile of rock down
there. There's a machine there, but it's way past vegetation. Nothing will grow now. Absolutely nothing. And they got to tell them stop, you know, just stop. >> Wait till spring, maybe. >> Yeah, wait till spring.
>> But we also want to see >> to get it done. >> We want to see a plan. We want Well, but better to leave it alone >> than than to make a mess that's going to wash into the lake, >> right? Uh but we want to see a plan that they're going to follow because this
from what I saw of the plan was not did not have enough details but it was showing that they were going where the existing uh stream was. That's not where they're digging right now.
>> Making a new stream. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, basically looking for a timeout, a seasoned assist, and so stay on that. >> Um, and then the D, the the last two
sheets, 16 and 17, is what we had today. Um, so between Eric and myself, um, and they're five of them, five or six of them. Y
>> and so people from Mass C from TRC uh environmental who's their consultant, >> right? It's contracted by them, >> contracted by Mass C and it's looking at Congal and ways to improve it. It all three
ponds are impaired waterways. They're they're categorized. There's three numbers, one for each. >> They're officially impaired waterways, >> right? And so we went into the details. They went into the details about what um because they started with the word
polluted and then defined, you know, you gota polluted makes it sound like somebody's dumping >> toxic waste. >> Yeah. Toxic waste into it. What they mean is we have a lot of phosphorus. Yeah. And so at any rate, we discussed
all that. They were they I think it was very very productive. We it was a lot of sharing info share between their experiences and and uh what we've done already. We explained what position you know what lake
management does and what the town has funded to do and our the grants we've gotten the 319 grants. Um actually our first dredging project was not a 319 it was a forgot about that. It's a lakes and ponds grant that I got. We got four
of those that I that I wrote and and got four of them. And so we did we actually did dredging was one that was the um north north boat ramp off the north boat
ramp where the old anchor in used to be. And and that was just all apparently all dumped right in the lake because when we when we dug that out it came out with burnt timbers. um you know >> everything under the sun was just pushed
into the lake back then. >> Mhm. >> Uh that was sometime I believe in the 50s. I wasn't here in town. >> Uh the uh another one that we got which was
I actually designed um for Point Grove. One of the worst outfalls that we had was right by the the just before you get to the tunnel going to north ramp off
the uh off the u off the north north ramp kind of maybe 200 feet south of the of the tunnel entrance on on the uh ramp side. >> Okay. >> There was an outfall there and it had it was sending in all kinds of
>> crap >> crap. So, what I did is had a um a 9 by9 or eight by eight, I think it was maybe 8 by eight, like a a two-piece concrete
structure, and we went down inside it, had a guy build a wall inside it, build a partition inside it. >> So, it comes in and settles in there. and and then we purchased the uh vac
truck that next year and so we could suck out all the stuff and that cleaned that one up. Well, when the the new culvert got put in, we had to take it out because it was in the way of the new culvert. >> Wow.
>> So, that's when we put in the base separators and eliminated that entirely. base separator is only six feet in diameter, you know. So, in getting ready for this meeting that we had, um I called Matt, their consultant, he and I
had a maybe an hour and a half phone conversation actually. You know, I had sent him data and we had an extensive discussion about, you know, what's already been done and, you know, and >> um they were aware of some things. They weren't aware of a lot of things. Um, so
it was a very, you know, it was a good discussion and they could see that, you know, we had our hands pretty well on, you know, what's up. And, you know, I kind of gave him our wish list and said, "Hey, you know, you know, that's just the wish list we came up with. If you
guys have better suggestions for how we can more effectively improve water quality, we'd love to hear about it." So um there's two different approaches that they can take under the opaces of the of their um of their charter uh and one of
them is this uh approach this TMDL approach >> total mass daily load >> where um you know where where you you set certain standards you know for for the total amount of certain things you're going to allow in there and then
basically you allocate those out and budget them and what have you. And then the other approach is what they call this ninestep >> uh plan and that looks to be more flexible um for us and one of the things the
legislation regarding S319 grants has changed and to be eligible for one of them you have to have gone through that nine step >> otherwise you're not eligible >> to to get the S319 funding. So our put was, you know, that's the direction we
want to go. You know, they said, okay, you know, we we're going to give you guys a chance to think about it more or what have you and then provide feedback to us, but they could see why we were saying that's probably the direction we want to go and then it'll be interesting to see, you know, what, you know, what
we get through this. We've already got some contacts. Yeah. >> And they may bring up some ideas, you know, we didn't think of. That would be great. >> Um, very positive. >> You know, they were you know, they they like the ideas that we had um
>> and what we've done >> and and what we've done. Uh you know, they can see how the NRCS work, you know, feeds the water quality mechanism as well. And so that's a, you know, that that wouldn't be a thing they would take on. It's like, okay, NRCS engaged in
that. And the scale of that is much more federal anyway. >> They don't have the money to to do that. both the money and the state-to-state thing. One of the interesting things we didn't we hadn't thought about I think or I hadn't thought about is as we get into this process with them they have a
mechanism to engage Connecticut as well >> and there's a benefit to because then they can access funds this way. So assuming we go down this ninestep path and assuming they're immunable, then one of the early steps in that is to engage
Connecticut to try and get them to participate in this as well. And so we may need to tap you to go through your concom channels there as well. And and I'd also go through uh DPW, my contact there, because if we if we can get them
from both directions, from the conservation end and from the go do it end, and and the DPW guys are the ones that fund that kind of work. I learned that um they they've changed the budgeting process in Sfield
>> and so when when we get money from Sfield it comes out of the DPW budget. >> Really? I didn't know that. >> Yeah. >> He's a good guy. That guy. >> Yeah. you know, so so for example, you know, all the, you know, for literally
decades there's work gone on here to put in all these flow separators in the infalls here, you know, to take out material before it would get into the lake. And I took a bunch of data that showed that shown that that's been extremely effective. That really hasn't
gone on. To our knowledge, that hasn't happened on the Connecticut side. >> Right. So, that was one of the things that came out of this meeting that I hadn't realized. If we can because we were thinking we're working with Massachusetts people, it's Massachusetts, but no, no, no. There's a federal connection here. We can link in
Connecticut. It would be nice to get them to go for some S319 grants to do the same things we did over here. >> And they would help facilitate that. Our this uh mass D and TRC would help facilitate
uh sharing with Connecticut. So that would be >> helping them get money, you know. >> Well, I do have a member of the Southfield Conservation Commission and wants to party to the NRCS project. >> Oh, great. >> Oh, that'd be really terrific. And by
the way, since you mentioned that, um, we've got a for the last meeting that we had and hopefully tomorrow they'll be on because it was scheduled. Um, we had Graanby involved, we had Sfield
involved, Westfield was supposed to come in and I don't know what happened last minute. They didn't didn't chime in on the Zoom meeting. Well, it's a team's meeting, but uh I I had gone through Mike McCabe through the mayor and he was he had somebody lined up to do it and that
somebody didn't show. >> So when's the next meeting? >> Tomorrow. >> Um and I'm I'm looking right now for somebody. I don't see the Zoom link in my in >> Are you going to come here or are you >> I think I'm gonna have to do that one by Zoom.
>> I can send you the Zoom link if you if you send me a note. >> Okay. And then but I think maybe send it to Norm as well and he can you know >> are you gonna be here or are you going to be on Zoom? >> Is it 11:30? >> Yeah. >> I'll try to be here but if it's you know
it may be too late but if we can engage with the suffil guy at least >> you know let him know what's happening and it's once a month. >> Yeah I will send him I haven't heard anything for a while. >> Okay. Yeah it's it's once a month. So th this one is tomorrow and then there's
one next month and I forget when what date that is. >> Did you say Grampy's on that too? >> Yes, >> Gra was >> because it closed into Graanby. >> Well, who's the Graanby guy that you're talk that's on it? >> Um Yes. I got to think. It was the >> They showed up for the first meeting. >> Okay. No, I'm just wondering because I lived on there.
>> Yeah. >> Um >> and it's not you. >> No. And I'm glad >> and they they they responded right away. By the way, it was the I went through the equivalent of the town manager. >> Drive me too long. >> Yeah, I went through the equivalent of the town man manager and then uh I had
there were I was running a dialogue with maybe it would change on and off, but the one that's the like Margaret is here, you know, the like the secretary or whatever. >> Administrator secretary. >> Yeah. >> Uh she arranged all of it. >> No, I was just wondering what was doing.
>> Yeah. But that was that was very productive and they were it was good. I was glad they were on >> and and because when you think about it, we got to work all the way down to Route 20. So that's Brandy.
>> It is. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, they're going to they're going to do the study and the design the way they do it and they're also going to look at Great Brook. You know, our suspicion is that that will
come in at a cost that's too high. >> Exactly. >> But, you know, let's see what they do. >> Um, but I I think one of the things we're trying to make sure is that they stay
>> they are required to do some work regarding the 500year flood. >> Yeah. But we just want to make sure that that doesn't become the focus of the activity because >> we're not fixing it >> because that'll you know the you know that'll just turn into a thing that'll never happen because it'll be so
expensive that nobody will ever do it >> and you know and the other thing that's been pointed out and I pointed it out today is the other reason not to worry so much about that is if we have a 500year flood whether or not a house on the lake are washed out is not going to be the biggest concern problem
>> you there will be bigger concerns, you know. So, so I understand they have to do the calculation. Please go right ahead and do it, but let's see if we can focus on, you know, floods we have today that we could obiate. I don't know what Hurricane Diane was classified as in
today's classification, but you know, it took out probably 20 uh bridges and culverts in Southwick alone. >> Yeah. Right. >> And roads, you know, whole washing out of roads. uh just wholesale destruction.
>> That wasn't a 500 year. >> It wasn't a 500y year flood. You think a 500 if we get a 500y year flood? >> Yeah. >> There will be builds. >> Did it take out that that road down by you down there by Phelps that they shut that road down? Did you see that? >> Oh, yeah. I don't know.
>> So, did did I was wondering if that had done that? >> No. I I >> Or did the town just shut down? >> Work they were in the middle of working there. I don't know what happened. >> That's weird. >> They've been working on a bridge there for a That's the bridge, but it's that whole road shut and it's going to be shut till spring. >> Oh, no kidding. >> You can't go through there by the You
can't shut down till the morning. >> You can't get into Graanby that direction >> that way. >> Yeah, it's right by his house. >> Yeah. I'm I'm not sure what they did, but Yeah. >> Mhm. >> So, anyway, that, you know, that's part of the thing. We want to make sure our voice is in there and they, you know, they focus on stuff that,
you know, we have, we have regular flood level events that that we can see, you know, not insanely expensive ways to be able to mitigate those things. So, let's see if we can >> yeah, >> see if we can get that to get funded,
you know, and I suspect when they're done, the answer is going to be Canal Brook is your best bet. We certainly don't want to not do Canal Brook, >> right? And then if if you know if they want to add in Great Brook, I think that would be a terrific thing, but I'm I'm
not sure we don't need it, but it would be a good thing to have. >> I think the N ideally in my mind if they could do the design work for for Canal for Great Brook now >> so that you you can the design, you put
it there, it's done, >> right? And then if they have to go looking for additional funding, then you can say, well, you know, here's a shovel ready design ready to go, >> right? >> Uh because I think even even Canal Brook
is going to be expensive. That's that's not >> not chump change. >> And not compared to the 10 million or whatever it's going to cost for the other one. >> Oh, yeah. >> Right. >> Well, and canal the canal is easier to access. >> Yeah. >> Than Great Brook is. >> Oh, yeah. >> Great Brookbrook's a lot tougher. Even
if they even if they got to take care of some of the really bad choke points on Great Brook, maybe that's what comes out of this is they say, "Well, you know, if we took care of this, this, and this, we could spend couple mil and and >> clean it up
>> and give you significantly improve." Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, so it's we'll we'll see where it goes. You know, it's a long process. >> Yeah. you know the you know we had the piper now they're in this you know evaluate and design phase you get through that then the next step is okay
you know did you know does it get funded as a project there's a whole you know there's public comment period there's an environmental impact study there's a you know there's there are a lot of steps >> lot three administrations later you know what I mean that Ken pointed out in this
is he said you know a lot of times you look at projects like this and the logistics kill winds up killing the project because you can't get access. He said, you know, you guys have an unusual situation where where a large percentage of the area of of the length that you
want to be >> a road or rail something with, >> it's right there. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's uh and that's that's not common to have a a situation like that. >> And whereas again, not to beat a dead
horse, but >> Great Brook >> Great Brook is a lot tougher. >> Yeah. you know, it meanders something >> all over the place. >> So, >> okay. >> Anyway, anything else on that? Anybody else have any questions on it?
>> Uh, any other topics? >> I did give the date for the CRC part. It's December 5th. >> I'm just going to mention, Dick, you and I talked about this and I'm mentioning it. Um uh I've worked on a draft um process for
um algae bloom decision making and communications. >> Um I'm just starting it. Dick and I have gone through it. I'm meeting with Doug Mglin to talk about it. >> Um you know what I'm trying to do is get
a a straw man starting point and then bring more people in. you know, so it's not going to be all sewn up, but just kind of have the draft of here's the structure of it, you know, flowchart, you know, get it. It's it's right, it's a simple flowchart, so you can just see it and then, you know, we'll bring
expose it to other people and oh, you forgot this, you need to add that, you know, we'll we'll get there. Right now it's strictly in the thinking stage >> but but I'm trying to make it um as simple as possible >> and where the communication lines will
be very few. So that you know, so in other words, where you get an official answer will be one place, >> not well there's this and there's that and there's that and there be like no you look there >> that's it that's the place and >> you don't have to go pick up rocks and
look under them >> right so that's that's part of what I'm hoping because I think that would simplify then then when social media takes off you can go well I understand the one official place is here this is what they're saying and because We can
see what happens where in in the current situation, social media gets a hold of it and then it it turns into something else. >> It's everything, >> right? >> And and I think if we I think it would be a mistake for us to try and go out there and plant seeds in all the social
media when we change stuff, it's like we have no control over it. Just, you know, let let's just pick one official thing and anytime somebody says anything, well, this is the official. That's it. >> And post it on the website. Yeah, that that's essentially essentially what I'm
suggesting if it's workable is that we have a spot on the town website, you know, for late status >> and that's the official place and that's that's the >> go to official terms that you can live with all the time. Oh, yeah. Closed, not
closed, whatever, right? Whatever. >> Make them don't make them up as you go because that's kind of what happened last year. Right. >> You've seen that before. >> Well, and and there were a number of a number of cooks. >> Oh, yeah. too many. So, you know, we want to kind of define the number of cooks, but then in the process, in the
end, there's one communication. All the cooks need to agree to one communication and that's the only communication. >> Yep. >> And and any, you know, you want to say anything, that's the thing you say. We post it on the town website and that's all there is. And
>> yeah, no interpreting, right? If anything, anybody else Yeah. I just want to mention one thing. Can you hear me there? >> Sure. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. So, um I know Malcolm and I kicked this around the other day. Uh we
certainly have realized that as fast as we clean out the we're wear gates, they get plugged up. Uh the town realizes this beaver situation is just kind of a losing battle. So, are are we in a
position to ask the DPW on a weekly basis to get down there and clean out those wear gates? >> I think we have to keep an eye on them and because we do have to notify concom first, >> right?
>> And we don't want people just going down and doing their own thing. And the rule, what the rule says is that what our agreement was is that we notify Concom through Sabrina
um and take photos before and after. So when you guys are when you guys see a you know a blockage there, get a good shot of the blockage from the upstream side and then send that to me. And when
our guys go down there, they already under they already and they did this time and they continue to do it. They took photos before they started doing anything. Then they did the work. They showed in process and they took a photo
when they were done. So they have, you know, just snapshot from your phone. Good enough. >> And and the process with Concom has worked very well. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's been, you know, the response has been >> very fast. Excellent. >> You know, we're not talking days, we're talking hours.
>> Hey, Scotty, this is >> the conser the conservation commission uh of which I was at that meeting and so was Norm, they have given us permission to handpick, >> right, >> without having to be get in touch with them and let them know and let them
know, let them know. But yes, when it becomes the DPW or a private contractor, it had to have permission from, you know, to run it through COCOM. So, I'm asking again, since we know from
experience, as fast as I can handpick that thing and make it perfectly clear, within two to three days, every week, it's clogged back up. So I'm asking >> but again but again Scotty we can't do and I don't want to speak for Norm but I
don't see that we that would be within the purview of what how it was stated they simply ask that when we see an issue that needs a machine that they get notified and then they will in turn
respond and say yay verely and they and Sabrina responded immediately. It was an email with, you know, with a photo and and got instant response. >> So, you think there's never a chance of us procuring a piece of equipment to do
some of this work ourselves? >> No, >> that's but the the that's a good point. I think the biggest issue we have is the beaver dams down in Sfield. >> Yeah. because Sfield has given us a card blanch to take them out anytime we want
with a private contractor. He said do whatever you want but then we can't get DPW from Southwick to do it because they won't go into into Southfield. >> So I think that into no into the canal down in Southfield they can't go down there. So I think that the major issue
there is the wear gates really don't matter because Mike and I have seen this week that the that the they just the water just levels off there coming up from down below. So, we need to be able to get in and get those out on a timely manner, begging, the Beaver Dams,
begging people to go in and work for us. I had him go in there three times in a month. This guy has been slammed by me. I mean, I had to call >> Well, he's been in there three times. The DPW been in there twice >> the hand picking. >> Yeah. >> So, I mean, that's not the issue. That's fighting the battle. That's not
>> But you can't get rid of the Beavers. That's an impossible deal. >> That's really the issue we got to address. >> You can't do it. They're coming in from Graanby down below. They're coming >> don't go upstream the dam. They damn below them. >> But they're coming in from over at at Canon's farm. They're coming in from Goose Pond. They're coming down the canal. You got three different towns
involved. Two different states involved. And nobody wants to kill the beavers. So what are we going to do? The only way we can >> even if they do were to, they still can't. >> They can't because you can't you can't you can't kill the beavers on the bike path. You're not putting any traps on the bike path.
>> You're just not going to do it. So the beavers are they got to stay there. So we got to figure out how to get rid of the dams. And the hardest part is getting the dams out of there in a timely manner. Begging people to do our work is going to sooner or later wear out everybody. >> I think we'll have to have further
discussions with >> you're saying let's let's >> and can we establish this as a contract so to speak? >> Bingo. That's the answer right there. What you I was going to bring that up. >> That would have to be funded by Connecticut. We can't fund We cannot fund work in Connecticut.
>> Well, see, that was the point that the DPW director down there said he put his hands in the air and said, "You guys can do whatever you want, >> right? But we can't we don't want to pay for it, >> but we can't use town funds to work in Connecticut." >> Okay. >> Period. >> So, that's discussion. >> Well, another issue on there. >> So,
>> I just want to add one I just want to add one more thing just for what it's worth. Whatever the DPW does when they clear clear out the wear gates for the most part when we handpick them, we accomplish the same thing if not, you know, just certainly just as well. We
the only reason we ask the DPW to do it most of the time is because we get tired of doing it all ourselves. Yeah. >> So, so what about the how about if we reach out to CRC >> because because they can fund something
in Connecticut. >> Yeah, that's a possibility. >> And you know, Michelle is always looking for ways to help. >> So, if she can do that, she could fund John Kaine to at least get paid on this. >> This guy has spent >> and they could we can't. >> This guy has spent so much time. We should send this guy a $250 gift basket.
I'm not kidding. the amount of work this guy's done for us in the lab. >> So, so right. So, why don't we >> That's a good idea. CRC >> out to CRC because if this could be set up as a regular contract, >> do you want to talk with uh Michelle? Okay, that'd be >> if this could be set up as a regular
contract, then it's not, you know, >> then we won't have to wait a week or a week and a half to get him in there. Right. >> Now, because he's been so busy, he had to go in there at lunch with two guys. >> Yeah. >> They went and I'm sorry to interrupt. One more twist on that. CRC has a lot of younger
talent than this guy. So, possibly we could get some volunteers from CRC to form a little group of guys that would be willing to go down there and handpick, which would be okay with Concom, would be okay with Sabrina, uh,
to help us. You know, we could keep an eye on it and say, "Hey, guys, can you get down there and do it?" All I'm saying is we're getting a little old for this exercise. Yep. >> 79 next week, baby. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> 81 hiding in Florida right now. >> Yeah, he is. >> Yeah. But I'm still working on the first heart. >> Cool. All right. I think we've beaten that dead horse enough. >> Anything else? >> No. I make a motion, Malcolm.
And a second. I'll second Eric. All in favor? >> Oppose. Stain.